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01:47 feedbot http://younghands.club/2020/02/17/ejb-review-of-feb-10-feb-16-plan-for-feb-17-feb-23/ << Young Hands Club -- ejb review of Feb 10-Feb 16 ; plan for Feb 17-Feb 23
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03:36 whaack I did just as described in my last message. I have a test bot connected to 15 small networks in a tmux. I tried to connect to a larger number of networks locally, but I got put on a global banlist here https://dronebl.org/ .
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04:15 feedbot http://younghands.club/2020/02/17/wh-review-of-week-18-feb-10th-feb-16th/ << Young Hands Club -- WH Review Of Week 18 (Feb 10th - Feb 16th)
04:16 feedbot http://younghands.club/2020/02/17/wh-plan-for-week-19-feb-17th-feb-23rd/ << Young Hands Club -- WH Plan For Week 19 (Feb 17th - Feb 23rd)
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04:35 whaack diana_coman: EOD Report: G: I had a nice time of concentration working on TheFleet. WTI: I had a sense of determination b.c. I needed to get the bot running tn so that I could see how it faired over a period of time. I need to find a way to summon that determination on command. B: I wasted 30 mins this morning speaking with a friend who lives in Paris. WTI: I justified chatting up friend b.c.
04:35 whaack "it's Sunday". But it doesn't matter what the day of week % 7 is, I should ~never give up my valuable mornings.
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06:40 feedbot http://younghands.club/2020/02/17/jfw-review-week-of-10-feb-2020/ << Young Hands Club -- JFW review, week of 10 Feb 2020
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06:59 feedbot http://younghands.club/2020/02/17/jfw-plan-week-of-17-feb-2020/ << Young Hands Club -- JFW plan, week of 17 Feb 2020
07:04 jfw My lateness seems to get worse there.
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08:37 feedbot http://younghands.club/2020/02/17/rmd-plan-feb-17th-21st-2020/ << Young Hands Club -- RMD plan, Feb 17th-21st, 2020
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09:23 diana_coman whaack: what caused that ban exactly? I don't quite follow how/based on what do they ban; re talks - surely you can just find a better time for them, even accounting for the different time zones.
09:23 diana_coman jfw: hm, what are you doing to yourself there with the schedule?
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19:17 whaack diana_coman: I am not sure what caused the ban. However after connecting to 30 or so different networks, I was banned from joining networks I had not yet connected to. I have a suspicion that certain networks notify dronebl when someone joins there network, and if dronebl detects an IP has joined n+ networks it puts the ip on a ban list.
19:24 diana_coman whaack: I suppose you can of course simply contact dronebl and ask them to remove you because you are not a bot/did nothing wrong; alternatively, let them come out with what exactly did you do "wrong"
19:25 diana_coman or whatevers, one of the networks that banned you
19:28 jfw diana_coman: with the schedule I'm... letting things expand to fill not just all available time but some more besides, and setting myself up to start the week already behind. Or so it would appear :D
19:31 dorion http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-13#1018370 - my trouble was I drastically underestimated how long the research would take.
19:31 ossabot Logged on 2020-02-13 08:35:53 diana_coman: jfw, dorion you'll have to tell me one day just why couldn't you come with those slides yesterday at 7pm UTC for instance but anyways.
19:31 whaack diana_coman: Well one issue with asking them to unban my ip is the problem happened locally, and my ISP here gives me a new IP address every 3 days or so. However I will ask them to unban my IP on my VM when/if it gets banned as well.
19:32 dorion http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-15#1018468 - LaTex sources and pdfs available at http://dorion-mode.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/btc-history-{I,II}.{tex,pdf}
19:32 ossabot Logged on 2020-02-15 16:28:10 jfw: dorion did his history presentation as a two-parter.
19:35 dorion http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-16#1018505 - I want to double down on the am/pm blocks I've set out in my plan and cash those in. the 19:00 UTC you're available for can serve for me as the standing meeting.
19:35 ossabot Logged on 2020-02-16 15:40:30 diana_coman: dorion: do you want/prefer to set explicitly some standing meeting too?
19:36 diana_coman whaack: ah, should be all right then; the point is that asking can help to get some idea/answer re why ban but anyway, it can wait.
19:38 diana_coman dorion: that works; I had a look at your presentation slides, not bad; I gather you want first to get some outline(s) based on them+the full research, right?
19:39 diana_coman jfw: tbh reading your latest, I could see bits and pieces of additional research, but it didn't strike me like a lot of added content, more like added reading out of interest - is that a fair description ?
19:42 jfw diana_coman: yeah, not a lot of added content
19:45 diana_coman jfw: thing is: overall it starts to add up to some quite successful self-tripping you got yourself there, heh; on one hand you are all "this is what needs to be done so will - glumly if need be - do it" + "there is not that much time nor need for leisure" and on the other hand - not all that surprisingly either - at any chance there is, you steal the leisure only marking it as "work", pretty much.
19:47 jfw diana_coman: sounds about right, lol.
19:48 diana_coman how was that - you are not easily fooled, right? except by...self, lol
19:48 dorion diana_coman correct. the .tex files are a notbad.jpg starting point and easy enough to sed them into wordpress suitable html. there's more research because a lot of potential content to left out to fit the 2x1hr time slots.
19:49 diana_coman dorion: atm there's quite the list of articles/pages in your queue so - which of them do you plan to focus on first?
19:51 dorion diana_coman converting the presentation. I have the most momentum there and I also think it will segue nicely back into the benefits of tmsr os.
19:52 diana_coman jfw: there's no need to cheat yourself out of leisure OR work; and if you do one, it will of course backfire as it did there; so acknowledge and allow yourself proper leisure too, do enjoy work as work as well but don't allow one to pretend to be another.
19:55 diana_coman dorion: it is also the *largest* part as such, esp if you aim for the full thing in one go; anyways, go ahead with it then, but do come with whatever/how much you have by tomorrow as it might be enough for one article anyway even if you haven't finished the full thing; that's the trouble with going based on momentum alone - sure it makes it easier/faster but it's not always fitting/considering all the context around all that well.
19:55 jfw diana_coman: noted. Though I now find myself curious about the distinction / definitions there, as I suppose I had it something like "work is that which is less-fun and/or more-necessary"
19:56 diana_coman jfw: what a lousy definition of work, lol
19:56 diana_coman no wonder you drag your feet
19:56 jfw haha. what's yours diana_coman?
19:57 diana_coman jfw: work is that which *needs to be done*; the fun or not fun is most of the times a matter of how you approach the doing, anyway.
19:57 diana_coman basically the distinction work/leisure is based on optionality not on fun.
19:58 dorion diana_coman yeah. I'm leaning towards a series. both to get myself in better writing rhythm and to make the reading more digestible for the dear readers.
20:00 diana_coman dorion: a series sounds more sensible for sure and most likely to fit better anyway; you made me laugh with the dear readers though - did you mean it as sarcastically as it sounds?
20:00 jfw diana_coman: aha, so while leisure itself isn't optional, the distinction is that what one applies it toward is
20:02 diana_coman jfw: that sounds very confused, let's try again: work is that which is NOT optional (in whatever way you define optional because otherwise at the extreme, *everything* is optional, breathing included); leisure is by definition that which is entirely optional; then fun is a layer on top and you get to apply it (or not) to whatever you want & whenever you want.
20:02 diana_coman jfw: otherwise put you can glum your way through leisure just as much as you can - as surprisingly as that might sound - fun your way through mountains of work, really
20:03 jfw huh
20:04 diana_coman to have fun you need to ...organise it ! or otherwise put: you need to know how to have fun!
20:04 jfw I mean, I definitely have fun with work sometimes, but then what remains is the ...less-fun but still non-optional parts, so yeah, the "layer applied to anything" is the surpising part to me.
20:05 dorion diana_coman my readers are dear to me ! but also having fun over here :)
20:06 jfw diana_coman: but aren't you indeed also saying (and I, demonstrating) that leisure itself isn't optional?
20:07 diana_coman jfw: sure it is optional in that wide sense mentioned above - it's not *productive* in the long term but it is...optional in the sense that yeah, you can insist on not having it, what.
20:08 jfw right, ok, and I have no intention of thus insisting.
20:08 diana_coman jfw: your own fun is not something coming from outside of you, perhaps that's the less obvious part.
20:10 dorion diana_coman I don't know if I mentioned before, but in high school people voted me 'sincerely sarcastic'. a lot of that rubbed off once I grew up a bit, but sometimes still shows.
20:12 diana_coman dorion: meant to say that at least they weren't old dears, lol; and now I wonder at the exact difference between sincereley sarcastic and sarcastically sincere.
20:17 diana_coman at any rate, I don't quite see why it would need rubbing off but possibly that's just me.
20:20 dorion diana_coman in the sense that many things when unbalanced can be a defense against growth. I mainly used it to call people on bullshit (the good I aim to retain), but sometimes I'd use it to bring people down cause I didn't want to level up (the bad I've done a lot to wash).
20:21 dorion e.g I reckon jfw and I would've been enemies when younger since our interests were quite unaligned.
20:23 jfw In leisure time this morning I dusted off my Aug 2019 notes from reading some of the GNAT user guide. I have a mind to continue that learning with some beginner exercises on the coding side and trying to reproduce ave1's bootstrap on the implementation side
20:23 diana_coman dorion: eh, how you use a tool is different from the tool, sure; that's more purposeful use rather than any rubbing off of it though; and heh, enemies is not all that far away from friends, you know?
20:24 jfw enemies better than friends even for saying what you don't want to hear!
20:25 dorion diana_coman good point. and re enemies, some of best friends were opponents rather than teammates.
20:25 diana_coman jfw: lolz, are you quite sure you are letting leisure be leisure rather than using it as "spare time to do more of the same"?
20:26 dorion jfw what do you think about reviewing bvt's latest work for Ada learning ?
20:26 diana_coman jfw: you know, I quite wish that was the case; I did even write it already in two languages even but sadly it seems meanwhile there's very little of even proper enemies left to go around or something; one gets those sad excuses of "bully!!!" instead, sigh.
20:28 jfw diana_coman: I had just that article in mind, yep. And uh, not quite sure re letting it be leisure, hm.
20:41 jfw dorion: that might come later, but I've already "passively absorbed" through eg. ffa and eucrypt's keccak and I think I need to get in the writing-things-myself practice, seeing & sorting through all the errors, getting the language constructs into long-term memory, to get much out of further reading.
20:43 dorion jfw aok.
20:44 jfw for example, bvt writes that string handling is a pain in Ada. I can't evaluate that statement, as I have not tried and felt the pain
20:44 diana_coman jfw: seriously, more programming is not that much leisure when your non-leisure is also programming; no matter what you might like to think.
20:47 jfw diana_coman: makes sense when I take what I might like to think out of the picture, too.
20:51 diana_coman jfw: that "what I might like to think" [of myself] is one of the deadliest tools your own best enemy - that one that has always slept in the same bed as you - has; so yeah, burn that part with fire.
20:53 diana_coman jfw: or in other words, don't pleasure yourself with thoughts!
~ 1 hours 7 minutes ~
22:00 bvt jfw: phf has fully done the job of vpatch parsing in ada, so not all string processing tasks in ada are hard; only if you go outside of the "string model" of the language this is the case; but specifically with ada, in some tasks you end up with 100x code for no clear benefit.
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