#ossasepia | 2019-09-16

Logged on 2019-09-15 19:35:46 lobbes: diana_coman: I had a thought: should my eventual 'penance' posts be on younghands.club do you think? Or should they be from my personal blog still?

02:58

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-15#1002690 - no, I meant it exactly as stated: endearing (~= adorable); the "most other" is such an undefined thing that you can't use it for much; and when you mix that with yet another poorly understood term (happiness), what you get is whatever you want it to be, more of a phantasy than anything else.

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Logged on 2019-09-15 20:16:07 shrysr: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-11#1002064 << did you mean that as in 'sweet youth n innocence' = impossible? I believe what i've written.. but idk - it seems most others find such happiness through other means like marriage/kids? I've wonderd if it basically means that as a human, you are wired to find wholesome happiness caring for/ being with a companion... and that my view of wholesome

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Logged on 2019-09-11 16:46:12 diana_coman: 6.1 is endearing

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-15#1002692 - indulging is not that wholesome, whether it's yourself or someone else you are indulging really, yes; nothing to do with the rest though; what humans are actually wired for as in they *need it* is relationships really but this is more general than "wife+kids"; we can revisit this at a later time if you need to.

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Logged on 2019-09-15 20:16:09 shrysr: happiness is incomplete. For eg w.r.t spending money - i've felt more happiness/pleasure getting stuff for others, and a happiness of ...relatively ephemeral and superficial nature while indulging in maself. However, i've also thought relationships/starting family fundamentally a time sink, potentially quick-sand.. done out of a fear of being lonely more than anything else.

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-15#1002693 - have a look at some actual warrants in practice eg from S.MG's statements such as http://trilema.com/2019/minigame-smg-statement-on-q2-2019/ (follow the links to the deeds in the SSW table on # column); the IPO contract of SMG may be something you want to read too anyway http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.MG

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Logged on 2019-09-15 21:14:46 shrysr: http://trilema.com/2013/the-stock-warrant-instrument-explained/#selection-73.231-73.271 << ima been re-reading several times - but still having trouble defining what a warrant is. Per selection - i understand that the warrants enable the fisherman to put money on table w/o being investor - but I'm thinking - by bringing money to the table - the fisherman *is* an investor even if you wanna call it warrant?

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if after that it's still not clear, ask again

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!o uptime

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diana_coman: time since my last reconnect : 8d 8h 41m

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shrysr: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-04#1001248 + http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-13#1002462 ; your deadline has passed, I don't see it anywhere and you haven't said anything either; where is it (and it'd better be that it was indeed published by the deadline)?

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Logged on 2019-09-04 18:15:31 diana_coman: eh, listen here, this sort of not-decided but doing that and none of the rest but-still-dont-wanna is not going to get anywhere; you have until the 15th of September to answer http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-03#1001116

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Logged on 2019-09-13 15:06:41 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-13#1002455 - that + more concrete data on subsistence options ie where & how much; don't limit here to can/india either - or if you do, say why.

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03:36

bvt

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-15#1002612 - this is a correct summary; and yes, it's 'stable' only in greenhouse conditions

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Logged on 2019-09-15 05:16:12 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002592 - if I understand correctly what you're saying there, you are looking for an inner change *first and foremost*; which is correct and sensible but requires specific targetting to, just like any other work really

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Logged on 2019-09-14 19:28:51 bvt: i can not currently express it in the words, but to at least try: due to the immutable past that i had i overtrained in one areas and skipped others; and as i see it, this would push me to a ~similar way of living everywhere - yes, food/money/people around may be different, but if life for me = X, succeeding at building X at the new place may be ~as bad as failing at life there at all. i.e. - i could move

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bvt: so what do you need to grow first so that you can thrive also out of the greenhouse?

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shrysr

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-16#1002718 << no it was not published. i apologise for not informing you last night. However, i was working on it right till i dropped off honestly.. I was reasonably on track in terms of work - but its taking me much longer than estimated to tie up a review. I am also taking steps that it does not happen next time. Review + tasks will be published next few

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Logged on 2019-09-16 03:14:32 diana_coman: shrysr: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-04#1001248 + http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-13#1002462 ; your deadline has passed, I don't see it anywhere and you haven't said anything either; where is it (and it'd better be that it was indeed published by the deadline)?

11:04

Logged on 2019-09-04 18:15:31 diana_coman: eh, listen here, this sort of not-decided but doing that and none of the rest but-still-dont-wanna is not going to get anywhere; you have until the 15th of September to answer http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-03#1001116

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Logged on 2019-09-13 15:06:41 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-13#1002455 - that + more concrete data on subsistence options ie where & how much; don't limit here to can/india either - or if you do, say why.

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shrysr

hours max.

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11:21

http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-16#1002706 << seem reasonable, roger that

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ericbot

Logged on 2019-09-16 06:10:52 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-15#1002689 - I think they should be on your personal blog really; why not have them there to re-read in some years time, anyway?

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Logged on 2019-09-15 19:35:46 lobbes: diana_coman: I had a thought: should my eventual 'penance' posts be on younghands.club do you think? Or should they be from my personal blog still?

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test: 1:2 : 3

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-16#1002726 - listen here, this might have passed the *first* time but it's not going to pass this time; in order:

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Logged on 2019-09-16 11:20:12 shrysr: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-16#1002718 << no it was not published. i apologise for not informing you last night. However, i was working on it right till i dropped off honestly.. I was reasonably on track in terms of work - but its taking me much longer than estimated to tie up a review. I am also taking steps that it does not happen next time. Review + tasks will be published next few

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Logged on 2019-09-16 03:14:32 diana_coman: shrysr: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-04#1001248 + http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-13#1002462 ; your deadline has passed, I don't see it anywhere and you haven't said anything either; where is it (and it'd better be that it was indeed published by the deadline)?

12:56

Logged on 2019-09-04 18:15:31 diana_coman: eh, listen here, this sort of not-decided but doing that and none of the rest but-still-dont-wanna is not going to get anywhere; you have until the 15th of September to answer http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-03#1001116

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Logged on 2019-09-13 15:06:41 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-13#1002455 - that + more concrete data on subsistence options ie where & how much; don't limit here to can/india either - or if you do, say why.

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1. the moment to open your mouth re deadlines is *as soon as you are not 100% sure you'll be on time*; and the VERY LATEST, 1 day before the deadline

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2. there is no "however" to be added by you when you screw something up; you *may* state the fact but you do NOT "however" it in.

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as in : "I was working on it right till I dropped off" is acceptable as an offered statement of fact; but it's up to the one for whom you screw up to decide on the value of that, not up to you to push it as anything

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and ftr , this sort of "however" is *precisely* how you screw *yourself* up.

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because it is avoidance, right there.

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3. the *point* is *sustainable* growth - as even stated in plain-text on younghands.club; that means also sustainable pace of work; that means that if you are not done with it all at least 1 day before the deadline, then you ALREADY say it.

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4. the review and the write-up are PART OF THE WORK! a significant part, even. So no, you cannot be "reasonably on track in terms of work " when you don't even include there the write-up, wtf.

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shrysr: so now, you'll read back through all the #o log and you'll collect *all* the instances where you failed a deadline since I already let pass way too many of those from you;

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you'll look at each and write-up in a post the full list with links and for each of those instances you get to write down plainly: why exactly you ended up failing to deliver; all the excuses you found for yourself ("howevers" and "but it's just a bit after" etc)

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shrysr: and *this time* you'll curse there not your poor intelligence that is actually saving you each and every time but precisely the stupidity that you choose to still keep feeding too

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shrysr: given the very trouble here, I won't set any deadline for this; but unless and until you write up the post as above, I won't read anything from you other than your next lines right now in which you can ask any questions you have re the above and otherwise end with "I will do it, thank you."

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greetings from CR. I've come to ask for some advice regarding getting a lease. I have an opportunity for a cheap studio which is the first floor of a 2 story where friends are staying above me. It's ~$250/mo, and i'll have friends *very* nearby. I want to take it but I thought I should ask here first to make sure it is not an obviously bad idea from a third party perspective

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and let it also be said for the benefit of shrysr and all that shrysr in this is still getting off light (the first 2 sentences in http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-16#1002726 contribute to getting off lightly, for sure).

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Logged on 2019-09-16 11:20:12 shrysr: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-16#1002718 << no it was not published. i apologise for not informing you last night. However, i was working on it right till i dropped off honestly.. I was reasonably on track in terms of work - but its taking me much longer than estimated to tie up a review. I am also taking steps that it does not happen next time. Review + tasks will be published next few

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Logged on 2019-09-16 03:14:32 diana_coman: shrysr: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-04#1001248 + http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-13#1002462 ; your deadline has passed, I don't see it anywhere and you haven't said anything either; where is it (and it'd better be that it was indeed published by the deadline)?

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Logged on 2019-09-04 18:15:31 diana_coman: eh, listen here, this sort of not-decided but doing that and none of the rest but-still-dont-wanna is not going to get anywhere; you have until the 15th of September to answer http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-03#1001116

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Logged on 2019-09-13 15:06:41 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-13#1002455 - that + more concrete data on subsistence options ie where & how much; don't limit here to can/india either - or if you do, say why.

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my biggest concern is that should I to submit to training per http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002520 I would be less focused living in the apartment below my friends than if i paid a bit more for my own place

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Logged on 2019-09-14 08:56:25 diana_coman: whaack, tanami - the above is valid for you too.

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whaack_pura_vida: that sort of thing is something you know really, not in little part because you know your friends - what are they up to /for in CR anyway?

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whaack_pura_vida: I also have no idea re prices in CR - did you even look around at all?

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what IS generally a bad idea is to just go with the first thing on the flimsy basis that it's easy/comfortable

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yes but not as systematically as i should be doing

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heh, so listen to yourself and do it systematically then; not like that studio is the only one in CR or that you can't live if not under your friends.

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tbh to me it *does* sound as more trouble than it is worth because those friends.... uhm, why aren't they here if they are so great?

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they are surfers there to build out a life outside of the US. the plus side is the person i'd be living with renounced his US citizenship and owns bitcoins, the down side is he is a the stoner/surfer type which i feel i could get sucked into easily if i'm not careful (it happened last time i came to cr)

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whaack_pura_vida: so then certainly a bad idea; but to have a simple rule: unless they register their key, come in here and actually get to work, it means that they are pulling in quite the opposite direction than you so probably you don't want to have much to do with them, no.

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for that matter, ticos are so friendly that it's impossible to *not* make local friends, not to mention that it'll help you much more

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where in CR are you planning to stay anyway?

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perhaps it's on me for not introducing him to the logs. but i have a feeling that anyone interested in tsmr is going to naturally find #t on their own

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Guanacaste

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whaack_pura_vida: well, you can always give them the link anyway, not like it hurts anything now, does it? but note that they have no business whatsoever with #trilema, at most with reading trilema.com if you want to give them that particular hook

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whaack_pura_vida: is this guanacaste /the area mainly tourist/expats living there ?

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It's a tico neighboorhood but the immediate neighbors of this place are yes, expats

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I'd steer away from expats and generally from expats-heavy areas really; if you go to a different country then you want to go where the locals (ideally the more discerning among them) are

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whaack_pura_vida: did you ask MP for any advice re area?

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I only visited CR once and for that matter I happily explored a lot more of the waters than of expats areas but he knows the whole country inside-out.

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not directly, i just posted for general advice in #

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#t

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asciilifeform

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-16#1002752 << this is impressive to asciilifeform ( in usa, you won't rent even a wheelbarrow for 250/mo) but as diana_coman already noted, you gotta talk to mp, he is actual expert re CR

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Logged on 2019-09-16 13:13:19 whaack_pura_vida: greetings from CR. I've come to ask for some advice regarding getting a lease. I have an opportunity for a cheap studio which is the first floor of a 2 story where friends are staying above me. It's ~$250/mo, and i'll have friends *very* nearby. I want to take it but I thought I should ask here first to make sure it is not an obviously bad idea from a third party perspective

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-16#1002772 << it's understood noobs should not post in chan, but should they not even be concerned with reading #t ?

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Logged on 2019-09-16 13:26:08 diana_coman: whaack_pura_vida: well, you can always give them the link anyway, not like it hurts anything now, does it? but note that they have no business whatsoever with #trilema, at most with reading trilema.com if you want to give them that particular hook

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asciilifeform

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-16#1002766 << if you already know that you're the sort of fella who 'ought not take substances', dun live with people who do! it is elementarily bad idea.

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Logged on 2019-09-16 13:21:28 whaack_pura_vida: they are surfers there to build out a life outside of the US. the plus side is the person i'd be living with renounced his US citizenship and owns bitcoins, the down side is he is a the stoner/surfer type which i feel i could get sucked into easily if i'm not careful (it happened last time i came to cr)

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^ I second this advice

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roger that. i have justifications for why it's okay "eh i just smoke a little bit" "i've turned down weed a lot recently" but it is probably just my mind playing tricks on me

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whaack_pura_vida remembers the #g_l actually-meth-is-good-for-you threads

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but all this is hard advice to take, living with someone whose company i enjoy and i trust for $250/mo is real hard to turn down when it is convenient and i am pressed for time

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-16#1002786 - it is (playing tricks on you).

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Logged on 2019-09-16 14:13:18 whaack_pura_vida: roger that. i have justifications for why it's okay "eh i just smoke a little bit" "i've turned down weed a lot recently" but it is probably just my mind playing tricks on me

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whaack: learn to enjoy your own company a lot more, too, it's good for you.

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whaack_pura_vida: I was a heavy pothead for about a decade. I still will probably smoke it again ~someday~ (I still have some in my apartment, in fact), but I live alone these days and have not even had the desire to touch it for last coupla months

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But, at least in my experience, it was very hard to turn it down once it was a social habit in whatever household I was in. Not like a 'peer pressure' bs, but more just... well a bad habit

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lobbes: similar story for me. i have given up smoking by myself a while ago, but i am still in the stage where a lot of my social situations involve smoking, and i only turn it down about half the time.

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asciilifeform

whaack_pura_vida: imho if the q 'should i give up $substance ?' is regular visitor in your head, the answ is 'yes'

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yea, (most) substances aren't necessarily "bad" on their own, just like watching tv isn't necessarily "bad" on its own. The problem, imo, is when you start to use them as 'derealisation tools' that ends up distracting you from other things you ought to be doing.

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"but then I got high" (TM)(R)

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One thing to look for is where the folks from other parts of LATAM congregate. Anyways, you can always try introducing the friend to TMSR materials and politely tell him you are looking to live somewhere more central this time around.

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asciilifeform: well i know i should give up pot for the reasons addressed by lobbes. the q for me is should i give up this seemingly good housing option because it will make giving up pot more difficult. which the answer seems to be yes

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BingoBoingo: Noted. I am drawn to the general area I'm in because it is a short distance away from many great surf locations.

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Location's a balancing act and I'm not too familiar with Costa Rica's layout beyond the various blog posts. To the extent learning Spanish is a priority I suggest putting yourself as close to the Latina crowds as possible. Don't rule out structured lessons, but skip the schools and audition latina English teachers comfortable with working in the other direction.

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Hay que ponserse delante de las chicas!

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claro, pero no las chicas de alemania :)

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lol

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-16#1002781 - it's not that they shouldn't be concerned with it, it's more that they are not going to be able to follow it.

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Logged on 2019-09-16 13:58:01 whaack_pura_vida: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-16#1002772 << it's understood noobs should not post in chan, but should they not even be concerned with reading #t ?

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Logged on 2019-09-16 13:26:08 diana_coman: whaack_pura_vida: well, you can always give them the link anyway, not like it hurts anything now, does it? but note that they have no business whatsoever with #trilema, at most with reading trilema.com if you want to give them that particular hook

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makes sense. bbl, ty for advice

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!o uptime

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