#ossasepia | 2019-09-14

A vast republic of many castles! I think I'll start here because my current quest is blogotronics, which has me digging into a MySQL build and I see diana_coman was wrestling with it in http://ossasepia.com/2018/07/14/cutting-mysql-into-musl-shape/

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Some findings so far are that in version 5.1.70 there was a choice of autoconf or cmake build system, but by 5.5.14 the former was gone and the latter had swollen, and that trend continued into 5.5.62

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My aim is to study the build system, upon finding a version worth studying. Alternatively, I'd be up for pursuing http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-12-04#1878226 if that's still in effect

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Logged on 2018-12-04 02:09:55 mircea_popescu: i suspect some work on trying mp-wp in a postgres environment would be quite beneficial at this juncture, even.

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-13#1002478 - that is something only you can answer really; it was you who considered the situation totally unsustainable, it is you who are there, so you'll have to (re-)evaluate and decide; but mind that you consider what is not what would be comfortable if it were.

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Logged on 2019-09-13 16:28:14 shrysr: diana_coman: Re: urgency of mine shift -- shd this be re-eval despite everything established? -> heard some indications yest that business slightly picking up. Had already planned to ask for raise (more like revision) long ago. The thought was: show some carrots (1-2 aspects of ERP prolly functional (to be confirmed) to be used pronto) + ask for raise and show glimpses of some future carrots (was asked

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fwiw from what you say ^ and next quote, it sounds like you have some more time with them, if you want it, yes; onth *you* said earlier that they are extremily volatile so either a. they are so you can't rely on what "seems" or b. they aren't and you should re-evaluate your evaluation process

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-13#1002480 - have fun

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Logged on 2019-09-13 22:28:44 whaack: hola. i'm going to be in transit for a week starting tomorrow (setting up lease in CR) and will therefore be sending any messages from a travel-handle.

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-13#1002486 - well, what do you want otherwise, exactly?

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Logged on 2019-09-13 22:57:08 whaack: it's inconvenient for anything save surfing and having peace and quiet

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-13#1002488 - what's the plan for after that then?

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Logged on 2019-09-13 23:01:34 whaack: yessir. it's a good gig but it only lasts until February.

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002490 - hello jfw ; the mysql version is *frozen* at that, I won't upgrade to whatever; you can ofc spend your time investigating the buildup of nonsense over any versions you want but it's worth anything only to the extent you actually document it

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Logged on 2019-09-14 00:49:49 jfw: A vast republic of many castles! I think I'll start here because my current quest is blogotronics, which has me digging into a MySQL build and I see diana_coman was wrestling with it in http://ossasepia.com/2018/07/14/cutting-mysql-into-musl-shape/

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as in properly, on your blog, not in snippets here.

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002492 - if by "build system" you mean autoconf and make and all that shit, uhm; if you want to do something useful in this direction of builds, you should install cuntoo

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Logged on 2019-09-14 01:02:56 jfw: My aim is to study the build system, upon finding a version worth studying. Alternatively, I'd be up for pursuing http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-12-04#1878226 if that's still in effect

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jfw: what do you want to get from being here?

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lobbes: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/the-next-phases-of-escape/?b=wasting&e=#select - fwiw, it's very aptly put but also very sinful; one of those things for which you'll really have to do penance if you haven't done it already.

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because it is wasting and on the path to derealisation, nothing more, no matter how pleasant that nice warm water the you-frog found

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Logged on 2019-07-20 15:47:00 diana_coman: this is a bit like the frog saying "jumping in this slightly warmer water certainly feels more feasible than jumping into the scalding water directly and thus possibly reduce conflict or pain overall in the journey" ; and the frog is right! it reduces conflict and pain overall in the journey to boiled frog!

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05:12

Hello diana_coman. Thank you for the direct question, I had to think it over a bit. What I want is to sharpen my technical skills, expand my general knowledge, do useful things, and communicate them effectively; and TMSR is by far the most promising venue I have found for this.

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I've got some of these already from following logs and blogs (quite incompletely) but fear I have been remiss on the communication in particular; manaloning, that is.

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For example, I've put together my own Linux distribution, based on musl, busybox, gcc 4.7 and fully static linking, with a rudimentary ports system. Due to not using Portage I suspect it has a rather different set of problems from Cuntoo.

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I understand a blog will be the proper way to present things; probably you're right that going with a system with existing mysql build is best for getting that operational quickly.

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oh, I shouldn't say "you're right that ..." as I may be mis-paraphrasing.

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08:47

jfw: this castle of mine here is made precisely to train people up, as far as they can go; the About page on http://younghands.club/ gives a brief description ; there's the outreach category on my blog, related to this too http://ossasepia.com/category/dark-modern-ages/outreach/

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have a look around, ask any questions you need to ask and if/when you decide you want to submit to training here, say so.

08:56

whaack, tanami - the above is valid for you too.

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if anyone else is interested, speak up.

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and since this will be a licensed castle too, there will be the proper rankings as well (pageboy as entry level, squire as middle level and knight at graduation)

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002514 - so stop suspecting and instead, just install Cuntoo, do the comparison to find out the differences and write it down properly

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Logged on 2019-09-14 05:40:31 jfw: For example, I've put together my own Linux distribution, based on musl, busybox, gcc 4.7 and fully static linking, with a rudimentary ports system. Due to not using Portage I suspect it has a rather different set of problems from Cuntoo.

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002516 - there was nothing about "getting that operational quickly" for sure

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Logged on 2019-09-14 05:50:55 jfw: oh, I shouldn't say "you're right that ..." as I may be mis-paraphrasing.

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jfw: at any rate, before "what task", you'll need to http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002518 ;

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Logged on 2019-09-14 09:08:16 diana_coman: have a look around, ask any questions you need to ask and if/when you decide you want to submit to training here, say so.

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002522 << http://trilema.com/2019/concedo-hoc/#selection-67.69-67.151 : why so?

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Logged on 2019-09-14 09:02:51 diana_coman: and since this will be a licensed castle too, there will be the proper rankings as well (pageboy as entry level, squire as middle level and knight at graduation)

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shrysr: why what?

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why not english ?

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shrysr: do you mean why is the grant in Latin?

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diana_coman: well yes, originally meant why it is mentioned in the selection - obv not english?

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the answer to that is rather long but in a nutshell: because the alignment of the republic is much closer to Latin than to English (and that's in a deeper sense than "just language"); and to flesh this out for you just a tiny bit: a. English has a very poor a. record regarding actual learning and development; contrast the English-speaking empire + colonies with the previous (and much more durable, at that) Latin world b. English is also a

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rather "thin" language

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ie while it might be comparatively easy to learn, it provides way less support for your reasoning and expression

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hmm i think i see what you mean.

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002497 << def (a), no question at all. anyway - switch aint gonna happen overnight.. i dont think i should bother taking extra steps to prolong stay.

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Logged on 2019-09-14 04:39:36 diana_coman: fwiw from what you say ^ and next quote, it sounds like you have some more time with them, if you want it, yes; onth *you* said earlier that they are extremily volatile so either a. they are so you can't rely on what "seems" or b. they aren't and you should re-evaluate your evaluation process

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shrysr: sounds sensible.

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http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002510 << agreed, and it was necessary for me to jump out of that slowly boiling pot and onto the comparatively cold counter. Derealisation is a great way to put it..

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ericbot

Logged on 2019-09-14 08:06:42 diana_coman: lobbes: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/the-next-phases-of-escape/?b=wasting&e=#select - fwiw, it's very aptly put but also very sinful; one of those things for which you'll really have to do penance if you haven't done it already.

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Now, question is: what is proper penance in your opinion?

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lobbes: hm, I'd say along the lines of a weekly post dissecting on a specific instance of this sort of wasting away towards derealisation; with the stark description of the specific instance and why you won't indulge in it again pretty much.

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the "rawer" you can make it, the more the gain for you (and through several avenues as you go deeper AND you'll remember it - that's one role of pain - more afterwards and steer away from it, hopefully)

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as to how long... you know exactly how much you have to atone to yourself for but probably 3 posts is a minimum.

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diana_coman: interesting. I will do this, ty

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lobbes: yw

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bvt: you know I realised I don't even actually know your name? would you mind some probing?

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hi. i did not drop it into the logs so far, if you're interested i can gpg; but anyway, we can do a guessing game as well

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bvt: why the secrecy though?

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initially i was concerned that people at my workplace might not tolerate it very well, if they ever learn about it

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upon consideration, not that i care very much

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for that matter, asking people to keep your secrets is essentially asking them for a favour so not sure how you reason there that it's in my interest rather than yours

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bvt: are you done with that PhD? or doing it in/with industry?

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i agree

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no, i'll still be phding for a half a year

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bvt: what are the plans after that?

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currently in academia, very convenient - at times i'd spent half a day for republican work, noone cares about that (can always say 'learning ada')

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after that i plan to stick go for a industrial lab for a year, should bring me more money (as much as this is possible in germany - i.e., not at all)

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why germany then?

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and yes, that "make your own hours and cut your own work to some degree" was one of the few good things I still recall from academia, indeed.

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after that i'll see if i move out, and if yes, then where - it's either ukraine, where i still have a bit of meatwot, or perhaps will follow BingoBoingo/lobbes to south america - have some relatives there as well

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BingoBoingo

bvt: Where in South America? It's not exactly the smallest place

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i went there for study from ukraine, stuck at the university because phd salary is bigger that for devs at junior position

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paraguay

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bvt: did you actually run the numbers re "bring me more money"?

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yes, came out ~300 eur/month better as phd

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lolz, that's not what I meant

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ah, you mean at the industial lab?

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BingoBoingo

bvt: I hear good things about Paraguay except with regard to its weather.

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what I meant is: 1. clear plan re "how much more do I want before exit and what's max timeframe I think I can still stay here without being sucked into the chumpatron/bottle/drugs/whatever-you-do-down-the-slope" 2. what options for that can I find when looking at ALL options I can think of 3. projection + comparison

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yes, paraguay is very nice, however 'nice' is nothing of substance when you actually consider living there.

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the above re after phd; otherwise in phd vs junior dev, the phd I'd say wins *anyway*, simply because more mind-space that is worth more in itself, even if the pay wasn't better.

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i have a timeframe of one year there for the reasons that don't have anything to do with money - i.e. if they won't have anything that will make me actively want to stay, i'll default to moving out.

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i do not seriously consider (so far) options of moving to places where i won't have at least some attachment to local meatwot

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and if they do? (also: what sort of thing would make you want to stay? remember those negative spaces too...)

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002552 - ftr this is precisely the sort of dissonance that will break you in the end.

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Logged on 2019-09-14 18:33:33 bvt: initially i was concerned that people at my workplace might not tolerate it very well, if they ever learn about it

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if they do, i'll re-run the evaluation in a year. re what they can come up with - i don't know. i let them come up with something - the work that they promise very sounds interesting so far; money don't enter into it because in ukraine i'd get more with spending less

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bvt: is that work more interesting than anything you can find around tmsr or how do you reason there since money doesn't even enter? it's rather...puzzling let's say.

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how it meshes with republican work is an interesting questions; i'd get to learn stuff that is interesting to me - think continuing phd, perhaps in more intensive conditions; and get some salary in process.

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bvt: and live one more year and then one more year and another quite the same? fwiw, in all the above there isn't anywhere even the slightest trace of considering also... what is missing/not there, the negative spaces.

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bvt: how old are you?

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27

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not too young and not too old

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re negative spaces - the thing here is that just moving to a different place is not that big change of life in itself. i.e. the necessary change has to be at a different level than just moving to a different place - pros and cons of THAT is easy to estimate

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bvt: by "necessary change" do you mean the deep change of "uprooting"/living in a different place?

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if that's the case: while that change is both real and indeed quite impossible to estimate correctly upfront (you can't know what you don't know), it's not really what matters in the first place, because it can't even be a cause.

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as it's not a cause, it's not what you are looking at when you decide "what next"

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*

diana_coman will bbl

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i can not currently express it in the words, but to at least try: due to the immutable past that i had i overtrained in one areas and skipped others; and as i see it, this would push me to a ~similar way of living everywhere - yes, food/money/people around may be different, but if life for me = X, succeeding at building X at the new place may be ~as bad as failing at life there at all. i.e. - i could move

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to ukraine in ~3 month if decision if made; and then what, find the same kind of job? yes, quality of life would improve, but the i expect the change to be quantative, not qualitative.

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diana_coman: may I ask why UK, and howddya choose Reading?

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-12#1002338 << does a master need to have, well, slaves or knights or etc to be master, or grow as a master? It does not appear mandatory as a qualification, when it is linked to being free, but what abt growth as a master? Being free/master != being perfect innit ?

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Logged on 2019-09-12 16:48:00 diana_coman: re being a master though, I'd say it's one of those things - when/if you are one, you'll know; before that you can of course bang your head on "I want to be one" and shout loudly as to why it doesn't work, plenty do precisely that.

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Logged on 2019-09-12 17:06:09 diana_coman: shrysr: perhaps it's clearer put whether you can stand to be fully free or not; links back to the causes and purposes, remember?

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002593 << curious to ask: arent these overtrained areas - predominantly areas of your own choice + interest? and is there no scope to assimilate the skipped areas you need to result in a qualitative difference?

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Logged on 2019-09-14 19:13:12 bvt: i can not currently express it in the words, but to at least try: due to the immutable past that i had i overtrained in one areas and skipped others; and as i see it, this would push me to a ~similar way of living everywhere - yes, food/money/people around may be different, but if life for me = X, succeeding at building X at the new place may be ~as bad as failing at life there at all. i.e. - i could move

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http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002553 << fwiw I dropped my real name in the #t logs about a year ago; so far no negative repercussions

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ericbot

Logged on 2019-09-14 21:34:22 bvt: initially i was concerned that people at my workplace might not tolerate it very well, if they ever learn about it

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ericbot

Logged on 2018-02-14 13:11:26 lobbes: Can always just state realname in logs/blog and point to it when asked. (speaking of which, I realize I never have done this. So, for the logs, my real name is Eric Benevides)

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and the work I do here is pretty much in direct opposition to my meatwork (I'm sure running an auctionbot violates some 'financial crimes / compliance' ordinance somewhere). But then again I'm small potatoes so who knows..

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lobbes: lol for all the hiding i tried to do.... atleast initially - i left plenty of easy evidence as to who i am.... and have been open abt criticising mine(s) and sharing some shit i 'shdnt'. I think at some point... it dawned one me that trusting diana_coman with the truth is far more...sensible for primarily my own benefit, and also as respect for her time and others in chan of course... and perhaps I

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thought - if found+fired - then so be it. if allowed - i might even venture to say - there is no point being here...and not .. well being honest / vulnerable - in order to become stronger, as I think you advised before.

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asciilifeform

shrysr: this is a traditional noob phobia, but ftr has happened to 0 people to date.

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asciilifeform: :D me being the noob-iest to enter i presume

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shrysr: yeah, I think that was my eventual reasoning path as well. I did the hiding thing for about 4 years before finally saying "fuck it. the cost/benefit actually points to the cost is greater if I *don't* share"

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