| 02:20 |
diana_coman |
shrysr: perhaps remember it's a republic, hence R at the end, lolz. |
| 02:29 |
diana_coman |
as for the rest, there's a long history of my interaction with MP first, before there even was any sort of TMSR (it starts here: http://ossasepia.com/2009/12/18/despre-fantasme/ ) so I suppose you can say I was there from before the beginning. |
| 02:31 |
diana_coman |
shrysr: re game dev no; the history is in the #eulora logs (logs.minigame.biz) and as a summary to start with http://ossasepia.com/2018/03/30/my-first-2-years-as-cto-for-minigame/ |
| |
~ 7 hours 35 minutes ~ |
| 10:06 |
shrysr |
okay that was intriguing. In general > is it good to follow the links in the article before reading all of it? I think that I should follow the links, as I read. i.e click on the link, read and then get back to the original. This is to understand the article better. However - it's not working as well as I want it to, especially the topics are entirely new. |
| 10:06 |
shrysr |
diana_coman: http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/03/growing-young-hands/#selection-81.325-81.534 > how was this done step by step? Do you write notes as you read or after? |
| |
~ 19 minutes ~ |
| 10:25 |
shrysr |
diana_coman: http://ossasepia.com/2018/03/30/my-first-2-years-as-cto-for-minigame/#selection-25.2-25.65 how did this 'pop up' and how does your time-log work ? |
| 10:29 |
diana_coman |
shrysr: eh, that's a bit too intricate to extract it publicly really; let's say it's not all automated though, humans are involved! |
| 10:30 |
diana_coman |
shrysr: as a rule, whenever you meet something you don't know, you *should* stop and look it up/read it so yes, follow the links |
| 10:31 |
diana_coman |
it IS true that especially at first this can easily grow into reading 10 days from 1 single post |
| 10:31 |
diana_coman |
(as a side note, do you see how lulzy the 5 minutes read! thingie on dev.to or whatever other similar nonsense actually is, if one really want to learn something?) |
| 10:32 |
diana_coman |
but on the other hand, it's the only way to truly gain knowledge as opposed to skimming the surface |
| 10:32 |
diana_coman |
as a starting compromise, you can basically make your tree of "must read this" and then work on it |
| 10:32 |
diana_coman |
it will probably first grow more than it shrinks but keep at it and it *will* gradually start decreasing too |
| 10:34 |
diana_coman |
re http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/03/growing-young-hands/#selection-81.325-81.534 the algorithm is always the very simple and same: make a written (this is mandatory, it HAS TO BE written) plan; start implementing it; review periodically how it's going (and/or change the plan accordingly) |
| 10:34 |
diana_coman |
hence you know, http://younghands.club/2019/07/28/week-2-progress-summary-3/#comment-4 |
| 10:35 |
diana_coman |
shrysr: by the way, you haven't actually answered ^ |
| 10:44 |
shrysr |
diana_coman: that comment sort of led me into a tangent.... reviewing the way I 'do things'. |
| 10:44 |
diana_coman |
re notes, it depends a lot on what I'm reading but in general I tend to take them as I read, yes. |
| 10:48 |
diana_coman |
shrysr: there are some parts that are universal aka same for everyone: you NEED to look up stuff you don't know rather than skip it; you NEED to write in your own words as it helps you structure and go deeper; you NEED to plan in writing and in concrete steps as otherwise inevitably it will "slide" (aka you'll lie to yourself one way or another); |
| 10:50 |
diana_coman |
then again there are some parts that in time you'll cut out the way that works for you: e.g. physically write notes or not; what tools to use. |
| 10:52 |
diana_coman |
shrysr: the core of it is simple really (and TOO much focus on tools and structuring and whatnot is quite often a way to avoid the work) - concrete steps (e.g. "I'll write 500 words daily", "I'll read all about and related to the WoT on TMSR blogs"; do without fail what you set out in your plan; compare results with expected results and feed that back into "making a plan" for next item |
| 10:53 |
diana_coman |
shrysr: from your work so far I'd say you are still jumping about a bit too much; I let it be for now as it's all the excitment of new and there's a lot to get in but soon you'll have to settle down a bit for the longer term |
| 10:54 |
diana_coman |
because you risk burning out as it were, if you keep going on in this butterfly-mode |
| 10:54 |
diana_coman |
if you need to, maintain also the tree of what you want to add in as soon as there is some opening for it, sure |
| 10:55 |
diana_coman |
but do get some focus and stick with it. |
| 10:57 |
diana_coman |
shrysr: understand that there's no rush; as you can see, I've been around for a while and TMSR has been around for a while so it's not one of those "get it now, latest buzz" thing |
| 10:58 |
shrysr |
exactly.... i was just typing about burn out. I follow a rigorous time chunking schedule with 'control' and then after some time.. its depressing to think abt control and I slip. Sometimes I slip such that I forget most of what I've (ever) done, before 'bouncing back', but its pointless because I've lost the flow and thought process. |
| 10:59 |
diana_coman |
shrysr: so you know, leave that part to me since you want to learn with me: stick to what I set for you to do and only that; write anything "new and shiny" in the "I might be interested in this" but do NOT just follow it blindly |
| 11:00 |
diana_coman |
ultimately if you keep just bouncing about, there is no way I can help you either and it will come to grief |
| 11:02 |
diana_coman |
focus for now on learning what you are set and forget about setting yourself - on one hand you can't really set yourself because you don't know what you don't know and on the other hand it will free you from the pressure of "oh,what if I miss something shiny" and from the bouncing about and from the burnout |
| 11:02 |
diana_coman |
ultimately yes, learning happens only if you submit to a teacher; is this news? |
| 11:03 |
diana_coman |
choose your teacher but once chosen stick to them. |
| 11:06 |
diana_coman |
shrysr: the rigorous time chunking schedule sounds too tightly controlled - something like that will probably work only if either you're extremely disciplined or otherwise you live with someone who forces that on you; you need to be strict about "every day I do 2 hours of X" but don't push this into the automaton/depressing planning every minute of your day |
| 11:08 |
diana_coman |
this is why I asked you to write a daily report as to what you did; I did not ask however for it to be written/published at 8pm every day |
| 11:10 |
diana_coman |
shrysr: if you struggle with the planning, publish your current schedule /plan and ask for help; as always, this is the way to go about it |
| 11:15 |
shrysr |
I don't particularly struggle with the planning as such. It's just that i plan something, and with experience, I've become better at estimating ..and toning down the 'excitement' and constant engagement thing, but probably 7 /10 times - i will pick up a new thread that is (hopefully) indirectly related to the planned task... I don't feel bad about pursuing the thread, but I do feel pissed off that I did |
| 11:15 |
shrysr |
not do the planned task. |
| 11:16 |
diana_coman |
shrysr: mk; *why* did you not do the planned task, did you figure that out? |
| 11:17 |
diana_coman |
planning that you then fail to follow (and repeatedly i.e. predictably) sounds precisely like "I struggle with planning" |
| 11:20 |
shrysr |
:D i know.. but as far as I can see...it seems like I lose interest after planning, and yet there is no point in not planning... it's bullshit, but I seem to think that I should be free to do whatever I want whenever I want, and that it will eventually come together though everything is disconnected. This works to a certain extent... but I think i am conflicted between 'free flow' and a 'plan'. Maybe I |
| 11:20 |
shrysr |
dont even want to tell myself that this is what I shd do now. Its all bullshit. |
| 11:24 |
diana_coman |
shrysr: by the sounds of it you are 1. focusing on the wrong thing ("do what/if I want but end up with what I need") 2. either planning the wrong thing or to the wrong level (and from earlier, possibly too detailed when you don't yet know the details) |
| 11:27 |
diana_coman |
leave yourself *some* space for free flow too but within clearly defined boundaries (of a plan), essentially; and yes, it's not an easy thing to get right, sure. |
| 11:28 |
* |
diana_coman will bbl |
| |
~ 2 hours 36 minutes ~ |
| 14:04 |
diana_coman |
shrysr: btw, how's the v.py investigation going? |
| 14:11 |
diana_coman |
shrysr: dont even want to tell myself that this is what I shd do now. Its all bullshit. -> the plan is not "telling you what to do now"; it's helping you keep on track and measure your progress; the *what* should flow *from* causes (e.g. you eat now because you are hungry now, not because some master plan says that at this precise hour you should eat every day). |
| 14:21 |
shrysr |
're-organising' efficiently i.e I have to 'archive' or hide the things I will do someday and keep ONLY the stuff I need today or the week ahead visible. |
| 14:24 |
diana_coman |
sounds sensible |
| 14:26 |
shrysr |
re v.py : i have a better idea of what it does - but I am yet to visit the code. as such - i had python setup for typical data science type explorations - but had left virtual env setup as a pending task. i figured this out yesterday and its working fine. I would also like to complete a refresher, i.e gain confidence in the basic data structures like tuples and lists, which are things I've always |
| 14:26 |
shrysr |
'forgotten'. Found a decent resource for this yesterday and ploughed through quite a bit - but not complete. |
| 14:26 |
diana_coman |
shrysr: and open up if something is wrong, before it gets worse - there's no crystal ball so unless you make it public, nobody can help you with it, whatever it is (planning or anything else) |
| 14:27 |
diana_coman |
shrysr: so where's the end-of-day list (or whatever other format you prefer): so far overall I think it does this and that ; my python setup changed this way and that; pending tasks x y z |
| 14:28 |
diana_coman |
+ "if time permits, z, t, w" etc |
| 14:28 |
diana_coman |
end-of-day-notes are also there to support you next time you come back to the task - a sort of quick "get back into the flow" thing |
| 14:29 |
diana_coman |
because guess what, life is full of interruptions of all sorts. |
| 14:35 |
shrysr |
:)) I'm still figuring out my end of day list at mid day.... lol. But thats because of this revamp .. *brb* |
| 14:37 |
diana_coman |
lol, ok. |
| 14:51 |
shrysr |
I think >> 1. The Ecu + inflation concept (trilema) |
| 14:52 |
shrysr |
2. Explore selection to URL thingy -- DONE |
| 14:52 |
shrysr |
3. complete basic data structures - python |
| 14:52 |
shrysr |
4. complete new write up on WoT |
| 14:52 |
shrysr |
5. Causes and Purposes (trilema) |
| 14:52 |
shrysr |
6. continue with V-tronics 101 y |
| 14:56 |
shrysr |
re: the selection to URL thingy >> this appears to be based on .htaccess which is not used in nginx. I saw the search parameters already seem to include the modification to .htaccess -- so I modified the functions.php file of the theme... but it did not work. As of now .... it seems this will need a lot of digging to implement. One way Might be >>> export as HTML and find a way to include an 'id' for each |
| 14:56 |
shrysr |
html tag during export itself. Essentially... no easy way to implement. |
| 15:02 |
diana_coman |
aha, it happens; |
| 15:02 |
diana_coman |
now you get to re-examine your well-founded reasons for choosing nginx over apache :D |
| 15:03 |
shrysr |
lmao extremely well founded. nginx docs even have an article saying - don't use .htaccess |
| 15:03 |
diana_coman |
you do realise that there's "an article saying" for anything you substitute for "saying", yes? |
| 15:04 |
shrysr |
:D yes |
| 15:04 |
shrysr |
hehe yes |
| 15:04 |
diana_coman |
that aside, the "web" is a pile of shit, sure; but until and unless we clear it up, we live with and in it, no way around this. |
| 15:05 |
diana_coman |
anyway, this sounds like one of those that *can* wait for now |
| 15:05 |
shrysr |
yes... DEFINITELY .. lol. |
| 15:07 |
shrysr |
but i would so love to have it ... |
| 15:07 |
diana_coman |
shrysr: that list earlier is what exactly, your to-do-list for today ? or for what? |
| 15:07 |
diana_coman |
shrysr: so then switch to apache and be done with it, what |
| 15:08 |
diana_coman |
or let me guess, there is an article saying not to use apache? |
| 15:09 |
shrysr |
no! I still have no clue as to the difference between nginx and apache... n lol- i saw the nginx doc today! not before i 'chose' nginx. |
| 15:10 |
diana_coman |
shrysr: so let me get this straight: you got nginx because it happened to be there but now you can't switch and be done with it because you don't know the difference? |
| 15:11 |
shrysr |
lmao ... its sort of like that....but its more of an effort to rectify the mistake of not doing *any* research before opting. |
| 15:12 |
diana_coman |
there IS something to that even, but then you have to live with no-selection-thingie |
| 15:13 |
diana_coman |
shrysr: well, retroactively is retroactive you know? can't push the baby back so stop pretending it's even possible; you don't really have the option "what are the differences" since you have no idea on either A or B as it were |
| 15:16 |
shrysr |
:)) i like the baby example... ok. I switch to apache..... |
| 15:17 |
diana_coman |
your options now are instead: 1. you stick with what you have for now because it was there and you don't yet have the time to get something better - in this case, you live with whatever minuses it has, including no-selection 2. you switch to Apache on the grounds that a. those TMSR people chose it over nginx and they seem to know what they are doing - make a note to search for it one day! + get the selection thingie precisely like those cool people in tmsr |
| 15:20 |
diana_coman |
shrysr: hopefully the experience sticks so that next time you ask and/or investigate *before* "choosing" |
| 15:20 |
shrysr |
yes! |
| 15:21 |
diana_coman |
cool then :) |
| 15:21 |
shrysr |
I switch to apache... right now ...and make a note to re-visit apache/nginx someday. Added to today list. !! |
| 15:22 |
diana_coman |
do me a favour though and do publish those end-of-day lists under their own category or whatevers but so that we can reference them when/as needed |
| 15:22 |
diana_coman |
I'm not going to dig through the irc log after them |
| 15:23 |
shrysr |
yes. Will Do. |
| 15:23 |
diana_coman |
an unfortunate side of the remote interaction is that it does require even *more* details in what you publish as there's no other way for me to see and give you feedback on it otherwise |
| 15:24 |
diana_coman |
good. |
| 15:27 |
shrysr |
yes, i understand that. My original plan was to publish my daily agenda itself. I did not because it was ridiculously cluttered and i was sure you'd spit on the screen if i did not streamline it .... I will figure this out soon. |
| 15:40 |
diana_coman |
shrysr: heh; trouble is you can't do those things on the quiet - i.e. say it upfront, don't just keep quiet about it until it's figured out. |
| |
~ 2 hours 26 minutes ~ |
| 18:06 |
shrysr |
diana_coman: LOL - i finally completed the switch to apache. |
| 18:07 |
shrysr |
and........ |
| 18:07 |
shrysr |
it did not work. |
| 18:08 |
shrysr |
tried different themes and the same process. |
| 18:10 |
shrysr |
Perhaps it works only on mp-wp ? <<sigh>> |
| 18:17 |
shrysr |
diana_coman: ok the only difference is that instead of using/modifying .htaccess - I included the change in the website's <directory> configuration itself. Apparently, this is recommended over using .htaccess ... i do not have the httpd library installed either. |
| |
~ 27 minutes ~ |
| 18:44 |
shrysr |
i'm not sure what is going wrong... but atleast - i did switch to apache. |
| |
~ 3 hours 43 minutes ~ |
| 22:27 |
shrysr |
diana_coman: i have an idea and i've outlined it here : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wagAG/?raw=true |