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00:00 undata mircea_popescu: thanks for the write-up
00:03 thestringpuller PinkPosixPXE: nice article on qntra :D
00:07 BingoBoingo !up kncminer_is_a_sc
00:07 BingoBoingo Hello kncminer_is_a_sc
00:08 kncminer_is_a_sc KNCMINER IS A SCAM! 5 month late house burning hardware is Useless now, useless. Refund me you gotterdammerung scammers!
00:08 mircea_popescu kncminer_is_a_sc no shit lmao
00:08 kncminer_is_a_sc Damn you KNC!!!! DAMN YOU STRAIGHT TO HEELLLLLL!!!!
00:09 ben_vulpes "accounts" in btc wallets are kind of stupid, right?
00:09 mircea_popescu kind of ?
00:09 ben_vulpes i'm trying to think of sensible use cases
00:09 ben_vulpes but i keep coming back to "i only want to know the balances and histories of these addresses"
00:09 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-was-written-by-the-retarded-part-ii/ <<
00:09 assbot Bitcoin was written by the retarded, part II pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
00:11 ben_vulpes ya there we go
00:12 mircea_popescu yeah nice piece pixie.
00:12 mircea_popescu undata yer welcome.
00:14 mircea_popescu "He then tried to pay with PayPal, and we unsuspended the machines. About 6 hours later the payments were disputed with PayPal as unauthorized and we then suspended again." << wow, carding too ?!
00:15 mircea_popescu perfect pretext for bitstamp to steal even more coins.
00:15 mircea_popescu just in case it's not obvious already, keeping any balances on bitstamp or sending any bitcoin to bitstamp is beyond retarded.
00:17 mircea_popescu try to not do that so you don't ned up like the 62c5186b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.197.24.107 retard.
00:17 mircea_popescu and speaking of knc, check out what i found : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg1776663#msg1776663
00:17 assbot Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com
00:19 ThickAsThieves https://twitter.com/AmerBanker/status/524293068309008384
00:19 assbot Manifesto Vows to Give Consumers Control of Digital Identitieshttp://t.co/CRZsd73VUgby /SarahLizChar http://t.co/PDY66TFmzd
00:19 ThickAsThieves nice pic
00:19 mircea_popescu i dun get it.
00:19 mircea_popescu how do consumers not have such control ? or ?
00:19 ThickAsThieves it's a woman lookin like she shit her pants, from Ripple, saying,
00:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62695 @ 0.00074101 = 46.4576 BTC [+] {2}
00:20 ThickAsThieves "Innovation isnt inherently incompatible with regulation"
00:20 mircea_popescu course it isn't.
00:20 mircea_popescu the usg however, IS inherently incompatible with regulation.
00:20 mircea_popescu because we're making the rules, not the fucking other way around, what is this.
00:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3305 @ 0.00074123 = 2.4498 BTC [+]
00:21 ThickAsThieves do we each get to make a rule?
00:21 mircea_popescu sure. and enforce it, too.
00:21 ThickAsThieves scam
00:22 mircea_popescu better scam than sorry.
00:23 mircea_popescu ripple's problem is more like "we enabled some scammers stealing a buncha coins" tho.
00:23 decimation one can see why they would need to convince usg why they are very good little slaves
00:23 mircea_popescu right ?
00:23 mircea_popescu already convicted otherwise. better be useful.
00:24 decimation since usg is a dim and neglectful master, they get away with it
00:24 mircea_popescu it's funny that the us lost the "innovation" war back in 2013, and then lost the finance war. no smart kids, no rich kids,
00:24 mircea_popescu its only hope now rests with the felons.
00:24 mircea_popescu who knows, perhaps it has enough criminals that they become a significant minority in the new world, giving it some claim.
00:24 mircea_popescu sad.
00:25 decimation the us has plenty of high iq people, it's just that in general their efforts are misdirected into idiocy
00:25 mircea_popescu so what's that do for me ?
00:25 ThickAsThieves ripple is basically grasping for, Bitcoin for Banks, All the tech, none of the darkwebmunny
00:25 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves yeah, it and all the 500 other derps.
00:26 undata decimation: or they get so depressed they barely function
00:26 mircea_popescu "we have yet another version of bitcoin without bitcoin, choose us, because this works!!11"
00:26 ThickAsThieves Bonus Undocumented Feature: Print Bitcoins!
00:27 decimation this is a peculiar habit in the us: trying to find a 'technical' solution for a very human problem
00:27 mircea_popescu like dildos ?
00:27 decimation heh
00:28 mircea_popescu but it props the economy! :D
00:28 mircea_popescu undata is that experience speaking ?
00:28 ThickAsThieves conserve energy!
00:30 undata mircea_popescu: I've seen it happen to friends brighter than I am.
00:31 undata as for me, I keep myself moving hoping to strike at the thing myself someday
00:31 undata but I've yet to make a pile, so that comes first
00:31 mircea_popescu ic
00:35 asciilifeform not one in ten thousand shall leave the mines.
00:35 asciilifeform that's sorta how it works.
00:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i dunno, but i dun believe so.
00:36 mircea_popescu pretty much everyone leaves the mines. part of why "big government" is so lulzy.
00:36 asciilifeform 'leave the mines' - live as idle gentleman scholar.
00:36 mircea_popescu i mean... how many east germans joined west germany ? ... all of em ?
00:36 asciilifeform a la taleb
00:36 mircea_popescu a
00:37 mircea_popescu we were talkin of different things
00:37 * asciilifeform sees arbeit macht frei as arbeit macht frei under whatever flag, equally odious
00:41 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: he did say 'I've yet to make a pile' - suggestive of the usual lament of folks who despair of ever buying their freedom
00:42 asciilifeform (esp. while young enough to make something constructive of it)
00:43 undata eh, I'll get there
00:46 PinkPosixPXE Thanks thestringpuller and mircea_popescu :)
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01:04 BingoBoingo %p
01:04 atcbot >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 857.62 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.56 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.46 TH/s
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11:12 pete_dushenski ;;rate cazalla 1 news anchor at qntra.net
11:13 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user cazalla has been recorded.
11:14 pete_dushenski ;;rate BingoBoingo 2 news anchor, blogger, spinozan.
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11:15 pete_dushenski ;;rate nubbins` 2 canuckistani, printer of fine things.
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11:15 othernubs` d'aww
11:15 pete_dushenski othernubs` twas overdue ;)
11:17 pete_dushenski ;;rate asciilifeform 2 loper, maker, the go-to for infosec.
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11:17 pete_dushenski i think that's all the catching up for now.
11:18 Vexual you've lied to me
11:19 pete_dushenski http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/10/21/4-banks-including-jpmorgan-fined-in-europe-over-cartel-behavior/
11:20 pete_dushenski http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/10/20/why-high-frequency-trading-is-so-hard-to-regulate/ << because what's mpex anyways?
11:20 othernubs` ;;later tell asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CZvVKFM9
11:20 gribble The operation succeeded.
11:21 othernubs` separared into chapters! oh my.
11:23 othernubs` might be a fun lil project, we'll see
11:27 kakobrekla jesus nubbs so poor cant afford tx fee
11:27 bounce othernubs`, asciilifeform: how many actual code (C, C++, etc.) lines exceed 80 characters?
11:29 thickasthieves http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/21/7027267/google-launches-support-for-security-key-a-simpler-kind-of-two-factor
11:29 assbot Google launches support for Security Key, a simpler kind of two-factor authentication | The Verge
11:36 mircea_popescu <pete_dushenski> cazalla BingoBoingo derpndesk.com/bitnet-lands-14-5-million-series-funding-rival-coinbase-bitpay/ << and somehow in spite of all these "investement" nobody is buying the shorts pretty much.
11:36 mircea_popescu such strange money.
11:36 mircea_popescu * Adlai must admit that he first misread that headline as "BitBet lands $14.5M ..." << da fuck would bitbet do with 15mn.
11:37 bounce spend it on hookers and blow
11:37 Adlai s/spend/invest/
11:37 bounce then it's "no touching the merchandise"
11:38 kakobrekla new css
11:38 kakobrekla shady logo
11:39 kakobrekla and a KYC team
11:39 mircea_popescu <othernubs`> ;;later tell asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CZvVKFM9 <<< i like this shit.
11:39 kakobrekla over wifi.
11:39 mircea_popescu you two are doing it right.
11:40 mircea_popescu kakobrekla "know your cunt" ?
11:40 kakobrekla know your chump doh
11:40 mircea_popescu oh sorry
11:41 mircea_popescu On 15 June 1961, two months before the construction of the Berlin Wall started, First Secretary of the Socialist Unity Party and Staatsrat chairman Walter Ulbricht stated in an international press conference, "Niemand hat die Absicht, eine Mauer zu errichten!" <<< nobody has any intention to fuck up bitcoin o.O
11:44 mike_c ;;rate nubbins` trustworthy numismatic and printer
11:44 gribble Error: 'trustworthy' is not a valid integer.
11:45 assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1AT9JWJ.txt )
11:45 mircea_popescu !b 2
11:45 RagnarDanneskjol ha
11:46 mike_c ;;rate nubbins` 1 trustworthy numismatic and printer
11:46 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user nubbins` has been recorded.
11:56 pete_dushenski ok, ima give this qntra news thing another hack.
12:09 othernubs` shame deedbot is down
12:09 mircea_popescu yeah srsly.
12:10 pete_dushenski [–]gavinandresen[S] 26 points an hour ago Biggest misconception: That Bitcoin will Topple Governments and the Powerful. Governments will do what they always do -- they will adapt (well, the worst ones will fail, causing misery and suffering; maybe Bitcoin will speed that up a little, and mitigate the misery a little).
12:12 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski oyu know, if anyone gave a shit about either gavin or reddit they'd just go there.
12:13 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu granted :)
12:13 RagnarDanneskjol deedbot is actually up - in here under different nick - just the server it lives on failed security audit
12:13 kakobrekla wait what?
12:14 RagnarDanneskjol yea
12:14 RagnarDanneskjol punkman's ver is getting very close too
12:14 kakobrekla punkmans deedbot runs on one of my droplets
12:14 kakobrekla a you speak of the carcas
12:14 RagnarDanneskjol talkin bout the old one
12:14 pete_dushenski hey logs are back... just missing 5-16h
12:15 kakobrekla what you are looking at atm is unlive version of logs
12:15 mircea_popescu unlive, you mean dead ?
12:16 kakobrekla its not dead, just not live
12:16 mircea_popescu dead logs, by jim kakoosh
12:16 RagnarDanneskjol is there a zip/torrent of all logs avail somewhere?
12:16 kakobrekla i can make a zip
12:16 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ba_log_gibblet.txt << for those who missed...
12:16 RagnarDanneskjol would be most grateful for it
12:17 bounce ``I'd rather not speculate in an open forum about the best ways to screw with Bitcoin.'' (Perish_In_a_Fire) -- aww.
12:17 asciilifeform ^ last 2000 ln.
12:17 mircea_popescu what, our security lies in obscurity now ?
12:18 ben_vulpes it'd be neat if he'd differentiate between Bitcoin the reference implementation which is bug-ridden and shitty, and Bitcoin the protocol which doesn't exist.
12:18 mircea_popescu so "governments" will prevail, as fucking if there can even be such a thing as a government other than bitcoin ; and bitcoin gotta hide its misshapen form in the dark.
12:18 mircea_popescu i totally wish to read more idiocy from this gavin puppet.
12:18 kakobrekla asciilifeform saves the day
12:18 kakobrekla literally.
12:18 mircea_popescu lmao
12:19 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes it exists, it's just not been made.
12:21 kakobrekla anyway RagnarDanneskjol what do you want in the zip? csv? sql? a puddle? daily files?
12:22 * Adlai is quite curious to see what happens if/when changes such as a the blocksize hardfork get pushed to the reference implementation
12:23 mircea_popescu this is sort-of like wanting to see what happens if/when the soviets finally decide to cross fulda ?
12:23 Adlai "some people just wanna see the world burn" ^_^
12:24 mircea_popescu i'm all for it, the level of either cluelessness or desperation such a move entails is promising.
12:26 Adlai such a drastic change would definitely cast this issue (and others) into the limelight, until now it's been confined to a few IRC channels and blog posts
12:26 bounce with enough hashrate on 0.6 (or whichever, maintained etc.) and staying there, hardforks are bound to fizzle. could try and talk to large pool operators.
12:26 Adlai as much as the timecube's four days revolve around the WoT, I wouldn't be surprised if most of the people who have heard about the hardfork proposal haven't heard any competing argument against it
12:27 mats_cd03 so?
12:27 mats_cd03 the only opinion that matters is that of miners.
12:27 mats_cd03 and... they won't let themselves get shit on.
12:28 Adlai miners are people too, and people don't always make the best decisions. even if they act rationally, they might not be aware of all the information about an issue.
12:29 mats_cd03 uh...
12:30 chetty You've long been a proponent of the "Bitcoin is an experiment" line of thinking. While that is technically true, so is "Gravity is just a theory". What needs to happen for you to switch from "Bitcoin is an experiment" to "Bitcoin is established"?
12:30 chetty permalink
12:30 chetty [–]gavinandresen[S] 38 points an hour ago
12:30 chetty We need regulatory clarity, ease of use, and no-single-point-of-failure security.
12:30 chetty I think we're very close on all of those things.
12:30 RagnarDanneskjol kakobrekla - sorry nevermind -apparently Azelphur has everything logged since the beginning of time. I can throw it up somewhere for whoevers wants it
12:31 Adlai gavin on the hardfork: https://pay.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2jw5pm/im_gavin_andresen_chief_scientist_at_the_bitcoin/clfns8j?context=3
12:31 assbot gavinandresen comments on I'm Gavin Andresen, Chief Scientist at the Bitcoin Foundation. Ask me anything!
12:31 mircea_popescu Adlai the "most people" argument is pretty much nil.
12:31 mircea_popescu most bitcoin reads mp way before it remembers who the fuck this gavin schmuck is.
12:31 mircea_popescu because money doesn't think all that much of code monkeys. and definitely isn't going to start taking their ideas of how to manage things seriously.
12:31 Adlai how closely coupled are "most bitcoin" and "most hashrate"?
12:31 mircea_popescu it hasn't happened yet, in 100 years of computing.
12:32 mircea_popescu most hashrate is a secondary factor here.
12:32 mircea_popescu yeah, it's possible miners won't make the best decision. this was illustrated yesterday, when the atc miners failed to make the best decision.
12:32 diametric maybe i'm mistaken but doesn't the white paper basically state a hard fork will be required in the future to address scalability?
12:32 mircea_popescu their failure was signalled to them within minutes, and they obeyed that signal in an hour.
12:33 mircea_popescu bitcoin will work no different.
12:34 othernubs` ah, i forgot you can disable the backlight on this thing
12:34 othernubs` outdoor irc, here i cum
12:34 mircea_popescu diametric among a bevy of similar nonsense.
12:38 Apocalyptic <mircea_popescu> yeah, it's possible miners won't make the best decision. this was illustrated yesterday, when the atc miners failed to make the best decision. // btw that was pretty impressive
12:38 mircea_popescu after a fashion.
12:38 kakobrekla RagnarDanneskjol if you can put them in order i can include them online (before the log starts)
12:38 Adlai it'd be a little funny if all the devs agreed to the hardfork, got a working patch together, then went miner by miner and couldn't get a single one to agree to switch
12:38 RagnarDanneskjol ok
12:39 mircea_popescu they'd just be a iota more ridiculously pointless than they are today
12:39 mircea_popescu which in the grand scheme of things isn't really much at all. they've already fucked the goat in the public market long ago
12:39 mircea_popescu eating some earthworms or w/e isn't really doing much anymore.
12:46 mircea_popescu %d
12:46 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 829946.86 in 1463 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 76.75
12:46 mircea_popescu heh.
12:48 xanthyos apparently canada is adding plastic content to its fiat paper to make it less rippable. the fiat may not be backed, but reinforced paper will fool the masses
12:48 thestringpuller %tslb
12:48 atcbot Time Since Last ATC Block (#46921): 0 hour(s), 5 minutes
12:48 xanthyos and it has a picture of the queen on it, so that's worth something.
12:52 othernubs` xanthyos, 100% polymer notes for a while now
12:52 othernubs` they're neat, i'll sell ya one
12:53 mircea_popescu dude this "father of invention" flic is the most god awful pandering piece of shit
12:53 mircea_popescu it'd almost work as a parody of the redditard generation, except spacey is playing it full straight.
12:53 mircea_popescu he should be fucking flogged for this one.
12:53 othernubs` it's rare to see a paper banknote nowadays
12:55 othernubs` xanthyos, postage is about $2 to usa, what denomination you want?
12:55 othernubs` 5/10/20/50/100
12:55 xanthyos the lowest
12:56 xanthyos nevermind i dont' need this
12:56 xanthyos it's silly
12:56 xanthyos but thanks for the offer
12:56 othernubs` haha
12:56 othernubs` :D
12:56 othernubs` pictures sort-of do them justice
12:56 othernubs` altho the clear panel is way cooler in person
12:56 mircea_popescu lol failed impulse buy. oh #b-a whay are you such a mall!
12:56 othernubs` haha inorite
12:56 othernubs` he prolly realized his local bank stocks CAD
12:57 mircea_popescu !up Pierre_Rochard
12:57 xanthyos i'm not a collector
12:57 mircea_popescu no, he prolly realised that he doesn't need it or want to use it and it'll just gather dust
12:57 mircea_popescu !up manamex
12:59 * othernubs` glances at his coin collection
12:59 othernubs` yeah, prolly ;/
12:59 mircea_popescu !up pakaloloz
12:59 pakaloloz Good Morning.
12:59 othernubs` hi
13:00 othernubs` welcome, even!
13:00 thestringpuller Pierre_Rochard haven't seen you in awhile
13:01 pakaloloz so BTCJAM aka BTCSCAM announced... "We are happy to announce that we have added bank account & credit card verification!"
13:01 pakaloloz How scary....
13:02 Adlai so just as gavin is doing his AMA, i get a request to buy coins from "gavi". coincidence? i think not!
13:02 pakaloloz I do think this may be as DPB says "#badforbitcoin"
13:03 * Adlai hasn't figured out yet whether any of what happens on btcjam is not btcscam
13:03 Adlai although admittedly i've spent a grand total of about fifteen seconds trying
13:07 kakobrekla <Adlai> so just as gavin is doing his AMA, i get a request to buy coins from "gavi". < you be in wrong channels
13:08 mircea_popescu Adlai there's not that much in a name.
13:10 * Adlai will ask gavi what he thinks of the hardfork
13:21 fluffypony http://www.engadget.com/2014/10/21/we-rode-a-hoverboard/?ncid=rss_truncated
13:21 assbot We rode a $10,000 hoverboard, and you can too
13:21 fluffypony want.
13:24 xanthyos hoverboards don't work on water. not unless you have power.
13:25 asciilifeform 'theoretically raise a building off of its foundation during an earthquake, essentially rendering the natural disaster's tremors harmless' << newton's laws crying from neglect
13:26 asciilifeform the leper's bell of retarded sc4mz0rz - a flagrant and malignant disregard for elementary physics
13:27 xanthyos but if the ground unit vibrated so too would its magnetic field and thus the building
13:27 xanthyos though it would absorb shock
13:28 asciilifeform why should it absorb shock?
13:28 asciilifeform not that an electromagnetic shock absorber is impossible - it exists, and has for years - but no magic here.
13:29 asciilifeform and magnetically-floated item is not resting on 'nothing at all', yes.
13:29 xanthyos well there would have to be magnets in the ground to create the field for the building to be repulsed from in the event of an earthquake
13:30 asciilifeform i have a very special, very deep loathing for 'kickstart' sc4mz0rs. especially of this particular species.
13:30 Apocalyptic asciilifeform, to be fair it's not the newton's law that is neglected here, but the fact that you won't get a magnetic field even close to be powerfull enough to support that weight
13:31 asciilifeform nope. even with infinitely strong magnetic effect, the ground is still taking up the weight, and were it to move, would propagate vibration to the 'levitated' object.
13:31 mike_c on kickstarter those guys are selling a hover board for $450 that.. doesn't hover.
13:32 xanthyos that propagated vibration would be less than the vibration the building would experience without the field gap between it and the ground magnets
13:32 Apocalyptic "and were it to move, would propagate vibration to the 'levitated' object." that's assuming a magnetic field of constant power, right ?
13:32 asciilifeform they are selling 'hope, chance,' chope, hange.
13:33 xanthyos unless they were "smartmagnets" that could generate the inverse wave to the vibration to cancel it out in the same way that some car radios use microphones to cancel out road noise
13:34 xanthyos of course, a hacker could then simulate an earthquake on that building to the same extent of magnitude that the smartmagnets were designed to resist against
13:35 asciilifeform say ground moves 20cm down and then 30cm back up, earthquake. or fell into a ditch. cancel that.
13:35 pete_dushenski lol these contravex commenters are getting angrier and angrier: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/20/software-doesnt-fail-socialism-does/#comment-3605
13:35 assbot Software Doesn’t Fail. Socialism Does. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
13:35 xanthyos oh if the ground level changes that much there's no way a magnetic field could hold it consistently
13:35 xanthyos project fail.
13:36 xanthyos also the bouncing of the building would put equal force on the ground and magnetically try to push away the ground structure even more
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15:12 mircea_popescu o look, there's a 20 yo junior rabbi in the house. lmao.
15:12 mircea_popescu bounce it works splendidly too.
15:12 mircea_popescu ;;google ludovico dandolo
15:12 gribble Andrea Dandolo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Dandolo>; Francesco Dandolo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesco_Dandolo>; Giovanni Dandolo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Dandolo>
15:12 othernubs` speaking of unobtainium, these metallic inks are getting us a bunch of jobs lately. offset printers can suck it
15:13 mircea_popescu visited the man's grave, too. he was the first and the thickest cock to rape byzantium.
15:13 mircea_popescu you know, like obama, the us ally, was the first and perhaps the thickest cock to rape washington.
15:13 bounce wouldn't benevolence require some sort of intelligence or something?
15:13 mircea_popescu bounce yes, it is begging the question.
15:13 mircea_popescu obviously nothing in nature can be "benevolent" seeing how human agency is an ulterior layer.
15:14 mircea_popescu it's like asking for an "app aware" tcp/ip implementation.
15:14 mircea_popescu othernubs` i tell you, i love my gold ink cards.
15:14 bounce inasmuch as that humanity is part of nature, though picturing itself above it.
15:15 mircea_popescu bounce no, inasmuch as fist though your skull moves the matter of your skull around in one way, but MEANS in a number of different arbitrary ways
15:15 bounce this doesn't compute. take your hand outta my brains and try again?
15:16 othernubs` mircea_popescu, latest job is biz cards and letterheads w/ gold ink for a boutique hotel
15:16 mircea_popescu bounce i dunno how.
15:17 mircea_popescu let's try it this way. suppose there's a cathedral tower with a clock.
15:17 mircea_popescu what's the time ?
15:17 othernubs` depends how far away the tower is
15:17 mircea_popescu othernubs` o, you want fist in skull too ?
15:17 othernubs` HEH
15:17 othernubs` tell me i'm wrong ;)
15:18 * othernubs` cackles
15:18 mircea_popescu you're not wrong or right, we're not there yet. just waiting for bounce to pick a time.
15:18 othernubs` do it, bounce!
15:19 bounce well, try this on first: "tcp/ip" generally refers to the whole stack. supposing you really ment IP (layer 3, conventionally), then "app aware" (with app: layer 7) would be a bit of a layer violation.
15:20 mircea_popescu bounce exactly my point.
15:20 mircea_popescu "benevolence" as an objective quality is a layer violation.
15:20 bounce I ment that layer 7 still needs the lower layers to function, it doesn't float in air
15:20 mircea_popescu no, it doesn't need them "to function", because it functioning is not a layer 7 thing.
15:20 undata well and even among apps, "benevolence" could be defined differently
15:21 mircea_popescu undata awareness, not benevolence. map correctly!
15:22 undata that's a much harder term to define.
15:22 bounce what is benevolence, really? apparently we can have malicious packets and software, but benevolent ones?
15:22 bounce er, tcp doesn't do crap without ip to transport it. the layers do build on each other
15:22 Adlai malefactors gonna malefact but packets just pack
15:23 chetty isnt the difference between malicious and benevolent and mattr of viewpoint?
15:23 mircea_popescu bounce that is just a manner of speaking.
15:23 mircea_popescu they're obviously not malicious in and of themselves.
15:23 Adlai well there is a missing object. malice and benevolence don't exist in a vacuum, they have to be directed at something
15:23 mircea_popescu just, the fucktards that write about things they don;'t understand, when they're not busy husslking pete in his comment section,
15:24 bounce it does include a value judgement. so it'd require a judging facility
15:24 mircea_popescu misuse the words.
15:24 mircea_popescu bounce it's irrelevant what it "does" at the level where ip is defined, see ?
15:24 mircea_popescu stop mixing utility into ideality, that's not how thinking works.
15:24 bounce "zomg rude!" -- some new guy with no clue of the local rules. << appears to be an american thing?
15:25 mircea_popescu makes no difference "what use is the sun to us", that's an ontological point not an ethical one.
15:26 bounce so there's no ethics to archimedes' mirrors?
15:26 mircea_popescu none.
15:26 mircea_popescu othernubs`> imagine living in a world where logic can fail <<< that's life in a "social sciences" universe.
15:26 mircea_popescu their logic fails all the god damned time, mostly because it's not logic, self-supported, it's dreamweaving
15:27 mircea_popescu and dreamweaving MUST be constantly maintained.
15:27 bounce warzones typically are unhinging because there's no rhyme or reason to the happenings.
15:27 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2009/inchipuiti-va/ << this is incidentally great reading on the topic, albeit in languages.
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15:27 assbot Inchipuiti-va pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
15:28 bounce (thus we conclude that wars are applied social science)
15:28 mircea_popescu not rly.
15:28 bounce Y U NO LIEK my logic?
15:28 mircea_popescu warzones are "unhinging" because the complexity of "society" is a function of the mean distance between individual and his own death
15:29 mircea_popescu if that is reduced significantly, the need for some forms goes away.
15:29 mircea_popescu that's why the classical, 19th century murican has the reputation of being uncouth and direct and undecourous in europe
15:29 mircea_popescu cuz he got to see his own death on average a lot closer than the average yurpean
15:29 bounce I'd say the predictability is the more valued property there
15:29 mircea_popescu how so ?
15:30 bounce if everybody lives to, say, 30, then dies without fail, it's a fact of life
15:30 mircea_popescu you ever been in a warzone ?
15:30 chetty bounce, ever see 'Logan's Run' ?
15:30 bounce no, and I'd like to keep it that way, TYVM
15:31 mircea_popescu but it's nonsense. who the fuck thinks about "the future" lol. people in a warzone think about cunt, and maybe good cognac.
15:31 bounce haven't seen it, roughly know the plot. probably should take the time sometime.
15:31 chetty people died at 30 ...
15:31 mircea_popescu to think about "your career" you gotta be so far away from a warzone your head'd be spinning
15:32 thestringpuller ;;google keep their heads spinnin
15:32 gribble Dr. Dre - Keep Their Heads Ringin' - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISbnf9qCmhI>; Why Figure Skaters Don't Seem Dizzy After Spinning: <http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/01/figure-skaters-dont-seem-dizzy-spinning/>; THE READY SET LYRICS - Spinnin' - A-Z Lyrics: <http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/readyset/spinnin.html>
15:32 thestringpuller ah ringin'
15:34 mircea_popescu <gabriel_laddel> thestringpuller: where are you finding those dumps? I ended up writing a scraper... << twas in the chan like n times, but : bitcoin-otc.com/otc/
15:35 undata it's interesting that one could ask himself whether it's ethical to establish the conditions necessary for ethical reasoning, but only under the necessary conditions...
15:35 mircea_popescu wait, wut ?!
15:35 mircea_popescu one can ask no ethical questions about ontos.
15:36 mircea_popescu you can ask, "is it ethical to kill this man", you can not ask "is it ethical for this man to have been killed." obviously, he's dead, so nevermind.
15:36 undata right, ethics concerns action
15:36 mircea_popescu and confusing "was it ethical for this man to be kiled at he point in the past when he was" with "is it" is so fuckin dumb
15:36 undata I was proceeding from the point about war
15:36 mircea_popescu it automatically paints one as an intellectual failure of the english speaking school of idiocy.
15:38 mircea_popescu anyway. there's no ethical violation in the dead being dead, no matter how they got to be there, nor in the raped to be dripping cum, nor in any other thing that is. they're fine as they are ; being trumps fretting.
15:38 undata or, the present is all there is
15:39 mircea_popescu something like that.
15:39 mircea_popescu depends where you're going with it.
15:42 undata talking about what's ethical in the present is hard to generalize
15:42 undata that's what I was referring to above re: apps
15:42 undata depends on what your goals are, and why, and why, and why
15:45 undata modern neuroscience makes that "you" itself harder to define by the day
15:46 BingoBoingo Fuck, is nothing newsworthy ever going to drop today?
15:47 thestringpuller hahaha
15:47 BingoBoingo I mean there's the Gavin Q/A, people recycling yesterday's news, and... is anything else happening?
15:48 undata BingoBoingo: need moar ebola to get off or something? ha
15:48 bounce start a bitcoin enterprise or something. then you can report on it yourself.
15:48 thestringpuller http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2014/mit-computer-scientists-can-predict-price-bitcoin
15:48 assbot MIT computer scientists can predict the price of Bitcoin | MIT News
15:48 bounce got any A series VC?
15:49 BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Other oulets reported that already. I remember thickasthieves making fun of them.
15:49 thestringpuller thats all i got
15:50 Adlai wonderful headline inflation there
15:50 thestringpuller mit is lame
15:51 bounce what's this "digital identity framework", other than a couple highfalutin' bullet points?
15:53 bounce ``OMS is a trusted compute platform for developing and deploying secure cloud applications to collect, compute on and share personal data.'' -- apparently in the end it all hinges on "trust us, we have this centralised framework being trustworthy and shit"... again.
15:54 jurov mircea_popescu ...runs code for a third party...<< this is same problem as DRM, i.e. you meed to prevent hardware owner to mucking out with third party code
15:54 mike_c BingoBoingo: here's your headline: "Army Research Office funds bitcoin price research"
15:55 jurov and it isn't solved at all for such general purpose case
15:55 bounce it apparently start with openid. huh.
15:55 BingoBoingo mike_c: Good one
15:55 bounce s/start/&s/
15:56 mike_c from (retarded) mit paper: "This work was supported in part by NSF grants CMMI=1335155 and CNS-1161964, and by Army Research Office MURI Award W911NF-11-1-0036.
15:56 bounce if you dig a little deeper, see if you can't find the list of NSF grant numbers known to originate at the NSA
15:57 BingoBoingo Interesting
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16:17 kakobrekla !up undata
16:23 assbot [MPEX] [U] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00073875 = 4.8388 BTC [-]
16:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29670 @ 0.00073632 = 21.8466 BTC [-] {10}
16:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25525 @ 0.00073587 = 18.7831 BTC [-]
16:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25525 @ 0.00073587 = 18.7831 BTC [-]
16:38 BingoBoingo bounce: No, manul post, that way it isn't spamming
16:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34800 @ 0.00073592 = 25.61 BTC [+] {2}
16:39 BingoBoingo Oh, and Qntra finally joined the top half million websites https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net
16:39 assbot Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast
16:39 Apocalyptic <asciilifeform> nope. even with infinitely strong magnetic effect, the ground is still taking up the weight, and were it to move, would propagate vibration to the 'levitated' object. // this is true but of no help to the argument, since if you can predict the amplitude/frequency of the "earthquake", you can impose the same variations on the intensity of the current generating your magnetic field
16:40 bounce that means you'd be amplifying the whole thing
16:40 Apocalyptic hence making the object go up or down relatively to the magnetic support, nullifying the eartquake (again all this in theory)
16:41 Apocalyptic well bounce for the sake of the argument let's take the magnetic field generated by a simple solenoid
16:41 Apocalyptic its strength is linear in I
16:41 Apocalyptic what is this "whole thing" you consider ?
16:41 bounce sure you can build a magnetic dampener; things with antiphase and enough room to move and things
16:42 Apocalyptic afaik that was the topic yes
16:42 bounce that doesn't mean that a big large fixed magnetic field will magically cushion any and all vibration, which I understand was the point
16:42 Apocalyptic bounce, never I have seen the word "fixed"
16:43 bounce it was pretty much implied
16:43 bounce "here, magnetic field. problem solved." -- nooo, not quite
16:46 mircea_popescu <Apocalyptic> // of course it's not, and nobody is contesting that. It just can made to have that sort of behaviour << that depends.
16:48 mircea_popescu <BingoBoingo> Oh, and Qntra finally joined the top half million websites << Male 195 Female 9 shit's funny.
16:49 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, quantcast also seems to think thestringpuller is invisible
16:49 mircea_popescu <Apocalyptic> its strength is linear in I << think about it. your field, want it or not, is a field. A field.
16:49 mircea_popescu the movement of the underlying terrain, like it or not, is not uniform.
16:49 mircea_popescu what are you going to do with one bick cock when confronted with ten thousand tiny microscopic cunts ?
16:49 mircea_popescu it dun go.
16:50 mircea_popescu you're gonna hope it averages out, but in practical reality you will have constructed a magnetic building toppler.
16:50 Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, yeah, I assumed a simple, uniform, vertical translation as the movement
16:50 mircea_popescu well ?
16:50 mircea_popescu you can do the actual math involved, see the probability of your building ending up on the larger surface at the end of it all.
16:50 Apocalyptic cause this all is "in theory"
16:51 mircea_popescu it's mostly a function of its height and perimeter.
16:51 mircea_popescu but it's not really a theory, more like a daydreaming, see ?
16:51 mircea_popescu cause it doesn't properly account for the world, just for what the theorizer'd like.
16:51 Apocalyptic indeed it does
16:52 mircea_popescu which is how good theories are started, of course
16:52 mircea_popescu but not what they actually are.
16:52 Apocalyptic I was just merely showing a theoretical model where it does work
16:52 mircea_popescu yeah i guess for a spherical vacuum earthquake it may help.
16:52 BingoBoingo http://www.journalism.org/2014/10/21/political-polarization-media-habits./
16:52 assbot Political Polarization & Media Habits | Pew Research Center's Journalism Project
16:54 mircea_popescu who puts a dot in the url.
16:54 bounce they're like, the next hot thing
16:54 mircea_popescu is this some sort of new media, fuck up people's grepping ?
16:54 BingoBoingo Awful people
16:54 bounce used to be commas in urls were a thing
16:54 mircea_popescu at least those aren't special chars in regex
16:55 thickasthieves <@assbot> [MPEX] [U] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00073875 = 4.8388 BTC [-] ------ what's a [U]?
16:55 * bounce doesn't mention the slashes
16:58 mircea_popescu thickasthieves apparently assbot had a little trouble coming back.
16:58 cazalla morning, no hang over today and sun is shining
16:59 * kakobrekla is doing heart transplant on assbot
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16:59 mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urBbHrJnSmE
16:59 assbot Bob Marley Sun Is Shining - YouTube
16:59 thickasthieves does U mean something otherwise?
16:59 kakobrekla unknown
16:59 thickasthieves ah
17:03 bounce apparently this "liberals" vs. "conservatives" thing has ameritardia thoroughly paralysed.
17:06 mircea_popescu what is it even supposed to be anyway ?
17:06 thickasthieves an excuse to do nothing but argue about doing nothing
17:06 bounce oh hey, isn't that nice. instead of some js that'll popup a "[tweet] [fb]" thingy every time you select a bit of text, this here bunch has convenient prefab tweets with url and approved text that you but have to click on to tweet.
17:07 mircea_popescu im sure it's all the win in social media.
17:07 undata bounce: regarding repub/dem... anyone with a shred of intelligence has seen through it; however, those two parties have too much control over the election process to change anything
17:07 bounce railroading, the new driver of discourse
17:07 mircea_popescu bounce you realise what excellent seo this all is.
17:08 mircea_popescu like, if you were google, right ? wouldn't you be fucking impressed to see the same text from 50 profiles all the damned time ?
17:08 bounce with complete identical text and everything. bit-for-bit copies.
17:09 mircea_popescu "i know, let's pay bob from Consultancy DerpAces LLC a million funbux so he can write an AI expert system that'll generate the text our readers would have put out! Save them the trouble!"
17:09 bounce I'm like, "anybody click on that?" but [like] is a rather popular button too, no matter where you find the little fucker
17:10 mircea_popescu tbh one of the things i like most about qntra is that there's no god damned "social media integration"
17:10 bounce obxref cowclicker, but webscale.
17:10 * bounce has a bunch of that blocked in hosts, but they keep coming up with new SMRTness
17:11 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I assume people are perfectly capable of transporting urls to social media on their own.
17:11 mircea_popescu bounce i just don't run js. does a lot.
17:12 bounce ``The Pew Research Center\u2019s Journalism Project, founded in 1997 as the Project for Excellence in Journalism, seeks to assess the state of news and information in a changing society.'' -- that prefab tweet thing brought to you by these guys. party on! excellent!
17:12 bounce must be an american shop. no sense of irony.
17:12 mircea_popescu well they got this fake "irony" which is mostly badly done sarcasm
17:13 mircea_popescu (ie, the lowest form of wit)
17:13 bounce 1615 L Street, NW, Suite 700, washington, dc. there you go.
17:13 thickasthieves omg this arguing for bits and ubits conversation makes me wanna line reddites and punch them one by one
17:13 thickasthieves line up
17:13 mircea_popescu bits and ubits ?
17:14 bounce the kind of irony you get from that song
17:14 Apocalyptic the name that should be given to 10^-8 BTC
17:14 mircea_popescu thickasthieves you should watch Inside Llewyn Davis btw
17:14 thickasthieves like the denomination
17:14 thickasthieves ive seen it
17:14 mircea_popescu it's quite accurate, very scalable, a pleasure.
17:14 kakobrekla test
17:14 assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0R32MNS.txt )
17:14 kakobrekla !b 1
17:14 mircea_popescu Apocalyptic lmao the collection of nobodies are going to rename the satoshi ?
17:14 thickasthieves the saddest part of the movie is nothing ever happens
17:14 Apocalyptic it does seem they are trying at least
17:14 mircea_popescu here's an idea, how about we have a poll in fucking uganda about what the us dollar should be called.
17:15 mircea_popescu it's gonna be the ng'pula from now on.
17:15 mircea_popescu thickasthieves o you saw it ?
17:15 BingoBoingo http://deadspin.com/a-clash-of-clans-addiction-nearly-sank-the-royals-seaso-1648848299 << Mobile Gaming
17:15 assbot A Clash Of Clans Addiction Nearly Sank The Royals' Season
17:15 bounce n!pula then please. no pansy ' shit
17:15 mircea_popescu it's not sad, it's great. that's exactly it. nothing ever happens.
17:15 thickasthieves yeah, i like the actor, and the premise
17:15 thickasthieves but felt a little wanting at the end
17:16 thickasthieves i guess thats the point
17:16 mircea_popescu i think the actor's an idiot that can't either act or sing, but that's okay : for one thing, so is timberlake. for the other : that's exactly the part.
17:16 mircea_popescu like bridget fonda in jackie brown
17:16 mircea_popescu that's exactly her job in life, being fucked in the ass for bubblegum and then shot in the stomach and left to bleed in a parking lot.
17:16 thickasthieves lol alrighty then!
17:17 thickasthieves yknow i felt the same way about jackie brown
17:17 thickasthieves but i was a totally different person when i last watched it
17:17 mircea_popescu that bridget fonda bitchlet fucking ruined city hall.
17:17 mircea_popescu i'd have paid money to have the script altered so she gets run over by a bus.
17:24 thickasthieves https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dQW-9CgJy8
17:24 assbot Tech Tuesday - BitCoin - YouTube
17:24 thickasthieves includes chix saying bitcoin
17:25 mircea_popescu !up Buzhang
17:25 Buzhang hey!
17:25 mircea_popescu ello
17:26 thickasthieves http://www.corriere.it/tecnologia/economia-digitale/14_ottobre_20/phishing-comuni-hacker-bitcoin-ricatto-c457694c-5831-11e4-9d12-161d65536dad.shtml
17:26 assbot tecnologia - economia-digitale Corriere della Sera
17:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00073587 = 7.5795 BTC [-]
17:29 Bet placed: 1.05424999 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $200 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 17.36233458 BTC. Current weight: 50,397.
17:34 thickasthieves this MIT price prediction paper is such a cocktease
17:34 Buzhang what is bitcoin
17:34 thickasthieves it basically says more modelling would be requried to learn anything meaningful
17:34 Azelphur Buzhang: it's a series of tubes.
17:35 mircea_popescu thickasthieves mit paper "we need more money" news at 1.2.3.4.5.6.etc
17:37 Buzhang !s kim kardashian
17:37 assbot 14 results for 'kim kardashian' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=kim+kardashian
17:37 thickasthieves !s kardassian
17:37 assbot 0 results for 'kardassian' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=kardassian
17:38 jurov mircea_popescu: even if second satoshi came and enable doing it safely, would you yourself lend your machines to the cloud for $0.01/hour (currently going price)?
17:38 Buzhang !s *
17:38 assbot Error - search.bicoin-assets.com : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%2A
17:38 Buzhang !s a
17:38 assbot 103062 results for 'a' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=a
17:38 kakobrekla !down Buzhang
17:38 cazalla http://qntra.net/2014/10/im-gavin-andresen-and-welcome-to-jackass/
17:38 assbot I'm Gavin Andresen And Welcome To Jackass | Qntra.net
17:39 Apocalyptic jurov, h
17:39 Apocalyptic *what specs for this price ?
17:40 jurov Apocalyptic doesn't matter. even if the machine may be beefy, it is unpredictably intermittent
17:40 mircea_popescu jurov a) how is 0.01 an hour the current going price ? b) motherboard 50bux, cpu 100 bux, memory 50 bux, hdd 50 bux. don't need a monitor.
17:41 mircea_popescu ;;calc 0.01 * 24 * 365 / 300
17:41 gribble 0.292
17:41 mircea_popescu seems a 29% yearly return is not the worst fate.
17:41 jurov you forgot electricity :)
17:41 mircea_popescu well yea, $0 is the currently going price for that
17:41 mircea_popescu if we're making up numbers, why not/.
17:42 Apocalyptic also to nitpick the prices you listed add up to $250n not $300 :)
17:42 kakobrekla 4
17:42 mircea_popescu Apocalyptic i felt generous.
17:42 jurov and it's ballpark figure for spot instances, why would our price be vastly different?
17:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22118 @ 0.00073583 = 16.2751 BTC [-] {2}
17:42 mircea_popescu jurov if you mean spot instances such as amazon or w/e, a) those come with riders and b) try and get a dedicated ip say.
17:44 jurov a) is better and cheaper solved by distribution of $maxint mass produced boxen than relying on users to diy
17:44 mircea_popescu but this aside : yes if this existed i'd be using it pretty much exclusively
17:45 jurov where you can control the whole machine
17:45 mircea_popescu jurov you're missing the key point of it, which is, no government gets a say in what code runs.
17:45 mircea_popescu this is something amazon can never provide.
17:45 BingoBoingo %p
17:45 atcbot >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 4830.06 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.46 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.26 TH/s
17:47 jurov waitwait... and how do you prevent govt being one of highest bidders?
17:47 Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $200 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 13(Y):87(N) by weight. Total bet: 19.36233458 BTC. Current weight: 50,351.
17:47 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/bitcoin-to-drop-under-200-before-december/#c4173 << check it out, they managed to break the urls.
17:48 cazalla Qntra has surpassed 100 posts btw
17:48 mircea_popescu yay.
17:50 jurov what can be done right now, maybe, platform for exchanging machines between DCs?
17:50 jurov as in, you can host spares for other services and vice versa to be switched quickly in case of ddos?
17:51 jurov or peer-to-peer operated CDN?
17:52 jurov there is existent software for this, just some business mastermind to monetize it
17:52 mike_c <+mircea_popescu> http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/bitcoin-to-drop-under-200-before-december/#c4173 << check it out, they managed to break the urls. << bitbet has a broken url
17:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00073689 = 4.7161 BTC [+]
17:56 Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to rise above $600 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1055/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 24(Y):76(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.8359 BTC. Current weight: 62,167.
17:57 kakobrekla jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2014#886501
17:57 assbot Logged on 21-10-2014 20:59:10; *: kakobrekla is doing heart transplant on assbot
17:57 jurov and brain stays the same?
17:57 kakobrekla ye
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18:12 pete_dushenski http://www.terrajoule.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Forecasted-Prices-Million-btu-in-the-Year-2020.png
18:13 kakobrekla http://www.terrajoule.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Forecasted-Prices-Million-btu-in-the-Year-2020.png
18:16 kakobrekla now only to cut the head off and we are done
18:17 mod6 at least ur defibulator works
18:17 kakobrekla :)
18:17 kakobrekla also installed pacemaker
18:17 pete_dushenski "by breeding draft horses that ran on cultivated, nutrient-dense fodder, [Europe saw] substantially lowered transportation costs. This allowed the value of northwestern Europe's bulk transportation networks to radically increase and made it very nearly as inevitable that that region would be the pioneers of the industrial revolution."
18:18 BingoBoingo http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/75/2/498.full.pdfhttp://circ.ahajournals.org/content/75/2/498.full.pdf
18:18 mod6 haha hopefully minus jvm
18:31 jurov https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1243275397/air-umbrella u can make everyone else wet nao
18:31 assbot Air umbrella by Air umbrella — Kickstarter
18:33 jurov also, hair :/
18:39 ben_vulpes code review, please: https://www.refheap.com/92123
18:39 assbot anonymous's paste: 92123
18:40 * kakobrekla added a proxy to site title parser so assbots ip is not sniffable that way anymore
18:40 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes 0.5.3!
18:40 ben_vulpes yup.
18:40 pete_dushenski ilike.
18:41 Apocalyptic regarding: "20 sed -i '/USE_UPNP:=0/d' ./makefile.unix", why not USE_UPNP:=- ?
18:41 ben_vulpes rips out UPNP support.
18:42 jurov ;;later tell othernubs` just make one big scroll. turing machine needs turing tape!
18:42 gribble The operation succeeded.
18:42 Apocalyptic exactly, you want it ?
18:42 ben_vulpes do I?
18:43 ben_vulpes Apocalyptic: do let me know if there's a good reason to keep UPNP in there.
18:43 jurov disablewallet=1 would not work with 0.5.3
18:44 Apocalyptic well if you don't I don't see the point in the '0',
18:44 Apocalyptic there is not
18:44 ben_vulpes oh oh
18:44 Apocalyptic but then just replace the '0' with a hyphen
18:44 jurov also rpcpassword is required
18:44 Apocalyptic nukes it straight away (and yes there actually is (or was) 3 levels for that var in the makefile, 1,0 and - )
18:45 cazalla that poker BRO breakout scam has raised 36.33 btc so far, they must be disappointed
18:45 kakobrekla !s poker BRO
18:45 assbot 1 results for 'poker BRO' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=poker+BRO
18:46 ben_vulpes Apocalyptic: i'm reading in doc/build-unix.txt that the options are USE_UPNP=, USE_UPNP=0 and USE_UPNP=1
18:46 cazalla !s brocoin
18:46 assbot 0 results for 'brocoin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=brocoin
18:46 ben_vulpes i want to compile without it. period. full stop.
18:46 cazalla !s qntra poker
18:46 assbot 0 results for 'qntra poker' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=qntra+poker
18:46 kakobrekla lol no luck cazalla ?
18:46 cazalla i posted about it :\
18:46 jurov ben_vulpes: just read the makefile and try whatever sticks. i remmeber having to, too
18:47 ben_vulpes well it builds quite happily.
18:47 Apocalyptic ben_vulpes, aha, so i guess i mistook the hyphen for the empty char
18:47 Apocalyptic anyway use "USE_UPNP=" to build without it
18:47 ben_vulpes later they introduced the hyphen, that apparently wasn't a thing at 0.5.3
18:47 ben_vulpes so forgive my c makefile naivte, but is there a difference between an USE_UPNP= and just not declaring the variable?
18:47 cazalla http://qntra.net/2014/10/breakout-gaming-release-bro-coin-details/
18:47 assbot Breakout Gaming Release BRO Coin Details | Qntra.net
18:47 cazalla they give each person a different address to send btc for their bro, surprised they didn't pump up the numbers to make it look more popular than it is
18:47 Apocalyptic so i'm not imagining it at least, heh
18:48 Apocalyptic <ben_vulpes> so forgive my c makefile naivte, but is there a difference between an USE_UPNP= and just not declaring the variable? // that i do not know, not a bash specialist
18:48 kakobrekla ben_vulpes i assume theres a default value ?
18:48 kakobrekla grep it
18:49 ben_vulpes in the makefile?
18:49 kakobrekla where theres any config?
18:50 ben_vulpes i ripped the assignation line out entirely. later there's an ifndef that assigns it to the hyphen.
18:52 mike_c ben_vulpes: i know in later version i had to explicitly set it blank
18:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26626 @ 0.00073574 = 19.5898 BTC [-] {3}
19:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00073689 = 23.6542 BTC [+]
19:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00074008 = 16.1337 BTC [+] {4}
19:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00073564 = 20.9657 BTC [-] {3}
19:26 cazalla http://qntra.net/2014/10/kncminer-to-cease-retail-sales-sick-of-problematic-customers/
19:26 assbot KnCMiner To Cease Retail Sales, Sick Of Problematic Customers | Qntra.net
19:27 TheNewDeal knc the new bfl?
19:27 BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: But with moar Ikea furniture
19:27 TheNewDeal or is that just too much of a stretch
19:28 TheNewDeal oOo
19:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67478 @ 0.00073531 = 49.6172 BTC [-] {2}
19:33 TheNewDeal mircea_popescu was that AdamIRaway guy really a developer in the MMADX platform?
19:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00073528 = 14.0438 BTC [-]
19:40 pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/21/adding-value-to-bitcoin/ << the latest.
19:40 assbot Adding Value To Bitcoin | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
19:41 pete_dushenski jeff garzik made me do it. with a little nudge from Pierre_Rochard
19:44 ben_vulpes updated with a blank assignation for UPNP: https://www.refheap.com/92126
19:44 assbot anonymous's paste: 92126
19:54 pete_dushenski https://twitter.com/alansilbert/status/524688712303931392 << man those silberts crack me up.
19:54 assbot The /yBitcoin fall guide has arrived! /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash http://t.co/3eKlTYIVe1
19:54 pete_dushenski anyways, i'm out. cheers!
19:55 ben_vulpes later pete
19:56 Apocalyptic ben_vulpes, "libqrencode-dev" is really needed for bitcoind 0.5.3 ?
19:56 ben_vulpes oooh
19:56 ben_vulpes no, leftover from my experiments with 0.6
19:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12612 @ 0.00074036 = 9.3374 BTC [+] {2}
19:56 ben_vulpes all of a sudden i want to rip SSL out as well
19:56 ben_vulpes but baby steps
19:57 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: You need to get crypto functions from somewhere
19:57 Apocalyptic ben_vulpes, otherwise it seems pretty reasonable
19:57 ben_vulpes libqrencode-dev purged
19:58 ben_vulpes build passes
19:58 ben_vulpes well
19:59 ben_vulpes compiler poops
19:59 ben_vulpes no idea what's in the turd.
20:00 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Valgrind?
20:02 jurov ben_vulpes: paste it?
20:03 ben_vulpes oh sorry, too much brevity.
20:03 ben_vulpes the compiler poops a binary onto disk.
20:03 jurov lol
20:03 ben_vulpes i have no idea what's actually *in* the thing.
20:04 Apocalyptic poops a binary onto disk without anything on stdout or stderr ?
20:05 Apocalyptic what compiler is this
20:05 ben_vulpes no, it makes sensible output.
20:05 jurov make can be set up to be silent
20:05 ben_vulpes i can paste for you.
20:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.0007406 = 18.8112 BTC [+] {2}
20:06 jurov i dont understand. it's not ./bitcoind but something other?
20:06 Apocalyptic <jurov> make can be set up to be silent // sure, everthing can be
20:06 ben_vulpes no it's fine absolutely fine everything is fine
20:06 ben_vulpes (as fine as the cpp bitcoin turd can be)
20:06 jurov oh you drama queen
20:06 Apocalyptic heh
20:07 ben_vulpes jurov: what was the stack smashing you were talking about recently?
20:08 ben_vulpes -f-stack-protector?
20:08 jurov oh that makes gcc to place a canary on the stack and crash if it's overwritten
20:09 jurov *makes gcc to generate code to...
20:09 ben_vulpes ah k
20:10 Apocalyptic ben_vulpes, have you read the HARDENING section in the makefile ? I think there is one from 0.6.2, not sure before
20:10 ben_vulpes kinda looks like that's in there already, jurov
20:11 ben_vulpes HARDENING=fno-stack-protector -fstack-protector-all -Wstack-protector
20:11 ben_vulpes xCXXFLAGS=....$(HARDENING)
20:11 jurov mkay
20:11 jurov In gcc 4.9, the new option -fstack-protector-strong is supported.
20:12 jurov but you should be fine
20:14 ben_vulpes 1 warning, but i think it's fine: https://www.refheap.com/92127
20:14 assbot anonymous's paste: 92127
20:14 * ben_vulpes doesn't actually know c - the horror!
20:18 jurov ah, nothig that could not be fixed by rm -rf /
20:19 ben_vulpes rm -rf / solves all problems
20:19 ben_vulpes look ma, problems?
20:19 joecool i like rm -fr /
20:19 jurov "french cleaning"
20:19 BingoBoingo i++ solves problems too...
20:19 ben_vulpes ;;ud french cleaning
20:20 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pipe%20cleaning | The act of having sexual intercourse with a woman while she is having her period with the intention to help her "clean her pipe".
20:20 ben_vulpes pwahahaha
20:20 joecool rip fleanode
20:25 ben_vulpes irc.serenissima.butts when
20:28 assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3626DAE.txt )
20:28 BingoBoingo !b 2
20:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00074064 = 9.9986 BTC [+]
20:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4933 @ 0.00074064 = 3.6536 BTC [+]
20:43 ben_vulpes can we start counting in years since the first coinbase yet?
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20:44 jurov what is the "first coinbase"?
20:44 ben_vulpes block zero
20:44 ben_vulpes http://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000019d6689c085ae165831e934ff763ae46a2a6c172b3f1b60a8ce26f
20:44 assbot Block 0 - Bitcoin Block Explorer
20:44 ben_vulpes jan 3rd, 2009
20:45 ben_vulpes puts us in the fifth year of our savior satoshi
20:50 ben_vulpes !up KayTheFlower
20:50 ben_vulpes say please and thank you
20:50 cazalla http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2014/10/21/u-s-accidentally-delivered-weapons-to-the-islamic-state-by-airdrop-militants-allege/
20:50 assbot U.S. accidentally delivered weapons to the Islamic State by airdrop, militants say - The Washington Post
20:50 KayTheFlower yay
20:50 KayTheFlower ben_vulpes, thank you
20:50 jurov ;;blocks
20:50 gribble 326384
20:50 jurov ;;calc 326384/365/24/6
20:50 gribble 6.2097412481
20:50 ben_vulpes what d'you have for us, KayTheFlower?
20:51 KayTheFlower idk
20:51 jurov sixth year you heretic!
20:51 jurov year has now 52560 blocks
20:51 TheNewDeal asciilifeform how old are ye, if it's ok to ask?
20:52 ben_vulpes ;;calc 2014 - 2009
20:52 gribble 5
20:52 jurov ben_vulpes is weak in the faith
20:52 Apocalyptic ben_vulpes, yeah, but you start at year 1
20:52 ben_vulpes "the first year"
20:53 ben_vulpes year 0
20:53 ben_vulpes i don't think these are exclusive
20:54 ben_vulpes gotta wait for the shartup to come along claiming "zeroth best amazingth" i guess now
20:54 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
20:54 ben_vulpes foomazingh
20:54 ben_vulpes fooamazingh
20:54 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
20:54 ben_vulpes foo\amazingh
20:54 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
20:54 Apocalyptic they are not indeed
20:55 ben_vulpes assbot must run on lisp machines
20:55 ben_vulpes unhackable
20:55 jurov 1 is the penultimate number
20:55 Apocalyptic but it flaws your logic as has been demonstrated
20:55 ben_vulpes ah jesus what happened to my maths
20:55 jurov weak fith, as i said
20:55 jurov *faith
20:55 jurov repent!
20:56 ben_vulpes i plead the fith
20:57 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/hashtag/TwitterTorLockout?src=hash
20:57 assbot Tweets over #TwitterTorLockout op Twitter.
20:58 jurov http://www.portfolio.hu/en/economy/hungary_to_impose_internet_levy_in_2015_tax_plans_show.28561.html
20:58 assbot PORTFOLIO.HU | Hungary to impose Internet levy in 2015, tax plans show
20:58 jurov about half euro/GB
20:58 jurov such progressive
20:59 Apocalyptic heh
21:00 kakobrekla yea, is not so bad here in somalia
21:01 jurov the Internet tax is estimated to generate HUF 20 bn for the budget
21:02 jurov ;;calc 20000000000/150
21:02 gribble 133333333.333
21:02 jurov 133 exabytes?
21:03 Apocalyptic Orban is expecting the blocksize increase ofc
21:04 kakobrekla log is back up and now works on a 30sec delay
21:04 jurov to prevent naked boob sightings?
21:05 kakobrekla its a different box
21:05 kakobrekla also mirror coming possibly tomorrow
21:06 BingoBoingo Beautiful
21:06 kakobrekla or day after, ill be sorta away tomorro
21:06 ben_vulpes oop kakobrekla making product mistakes
21:06 ben_vulpes features
21:06 ben_vulpes deadlines
21:06 ben_vulpes commitments
21:07 kakobrekla lol
21:07 jurov kako ist the 0th bestest
21:07 ben_vulpes no fith
21:10 BingoBoingo condiments
21:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00074064 = 5.2585 BTC [+]
21:22 kakobrekla !up paxtoncamaro91
21:22 ben_vulpes http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/21_instructions-on-building-bitcoin-053-from-source-on-debian-6-squeeze.html
21:22 assbot Instructions on Building Bitcoin 0.5.3 from Source on Debian 6 (Squeeze)
21:23 decimation kakobrekla: where in somalia do you live? the mog?
21:24 kakobrekla its actually slovenia. i write somalia so mp doesnt get confused.
21:25 decimation lol
21:26 asciilifeform TheNewDeal: ~31
21:26 asciilifeform TheNewDeal: why
21:26 TheNewDeal just curious, was reading loper.os from 2009 and I'm trying to get an idea of author age
21:27 jurov did you guess?
21:27 asciilifeform TheNewDeal: what was your guess?
21:27 TheNewDeal ahhh I hadn't formatted a guess!
21:28 TheNewDeal should have questioned before revealing the answer
21:28 asciilifeform lol
21:28 BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: asciilifeform is old enought to come to his Loper position out of actual bitterness rather than n00b kid delusion, but still young enough to hope he has the decades to realize them.
21:28 BingoBoingo My initial guess placed asciilifeform in his later 30's
21:28 asciilifeform i've had folks write in who guess 50s or even more.
21:29 BingoBoingo I saw them in your comments
21:30 jurov over two decades of such bitterness? hard to imagine
21:30 decimation asciilifeform: you were probably born about 30 years late
21:30 TheNewDeal I wouldnt have been suprised if you said 50
21:30 RagnarDanneskjol I'd bet 42-45
21:30 ben_vulpes lol
21:30 ben_vulpes guessing after the reveal
21:30 ben_vulpes what is this, late bettor hour?
21:30 RagnarDanneskjol ahh I missed it
21:31 asciilifeform i think someone even asked before
21:31 kakobrekla RagnarDanneskjol no refund.
21:31 RagnarDanneskjol ha
21:33 jurov hi othernubs`
21:33 jurov got my torah suggestion?
21:34 othernubs` asciilifeform, you want to include qt source code or leave it out?
21:34 BingoBoingo !up reggiesells
21:34 othernubs` jurov, nod
21:34 asciilifeform othernubs`: out
21:34 mircea_popescu kay the flower ?!
21:34 asciilifeform othernubs`: wait 0.6 is qt already
21:34 BingoBoingo Wait, there's two nubs nao?
21:34 asciilifeform ?
21:34 jurov so, openssl stays in :DDDD
21:34 othernubs` is there an easy way you can tag which files you'd like?
21:34 asciilifeform mebbe we ought to do 0.1 ?
21:34 othernubs` asciilifeform, there's a /src/qt/ anyway
21:35 asciilifeform when exactly did the worthwhile patches end...
21:35 * asciilifeform digs through notes
21:35 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Maybe I recall wrong but I think the switch from wx widgets to Qt happened ~0.3.X-ish
21:35 othernubs` github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/releases
21:36 kakobrekla if its for masturbation only, then prolly 0.1 is a better call
21:36 asciilifeform kakobrekla: depends
21:36 decimation it would be useful if someone 'hardforked' 0.6 and maintained it
21:36 asciilifeform decimation: i think mircea_popescu does?
21:36 kakobrekla decimation 'hardfork' != 'hard print' :)
21:37 decimation does he? is there a repo?
21:37 decimation heh
21:37 * asciilifeform doesn't recall seeing it, possibly he never bothered publishing
21:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ?
21:42 ben_vulpes decimation: why 0.6?
21:42 decimation ben_vulpes: I donno, I haven't looked into that in detail
21:42 decimation I guess we want a version without idiotic patches
21:43 asciilifeform which'd be the earliest that would interoperate with the majority of extant nodes?
21:43 * ben_vulpes digs through notes as well
21:43 decimation that's a good question, and should be answerable. Don't the clients identify with a string?
21:44 othernubs` asciilifeform, looks like /src/qt has been there since late september 2011
21:44 decimation it's not in 0.1
21:45 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The earliest is going to probably be 0.4 or late 0.3.x series
21:45 othernubs` 0.4.0 does not have qt, 0.5.0 does
21:45 BingoBoingo patches to the bdb conf because... Hearn sucks
21:45 othernubs` it was merged just before 0.4.1
21:46 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu care to share your 0.6 patch set for the paper codex?
21:46 gribble The operation succeeded.
21:46 ben_vulpes my 0.5.3 node hasn't barfed yet
21:46 BingoBoingo othernubs`: qt not necessary to interact with majority of nodes
21:46 othernubs` no, course not
21:46 * asciilifeform never once in his life used the qt ver
21:47 othernubs` you can build either bitcoin-qt or bitcoind with the same codebase
21:47 othernubs` there's instructions for both
21:48 othernubs` (see bitcoin-0.x.x/INSTALL)
21:48 asciilifeform i'd sorta like all the gui-isms snipped
21:49 * asciilifeform would do it himself but lazy, hence the impetus for the whole proposal
21:49 decimation I like how the old releases are marked 'obsolete'
21:49 othernubs` heh yeah
21:49 ben_vulpes they're running out of levers to drive adoption otherwise
21:49 othernubs` not deprecated ;p
21:50 othernubs` OBSOLETE
21:50 decimation which is why a hardfork with a different name is necessary, so the n00bs can be educated
21:51 asciilifeform 'axe-time, sword-time, coming closer...'
21:52 othernubs` 84% of user agents report 0.8.5 or newer
21:53 decimation right but what percent of miners?
21:53 decimation weighted by hash
21:53 decimation !up paxtoncamaro91
21:53 decimation !up ukyo
21:54 decimation !up username0
21:54 TheNewDeal ukyo
21:54 asciilifeform http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/10/how-to-start-war-and-lose-empire.html
21:54 assbot ClubOrlov: How to start a war and lose an empire
21:54 othernubs` decimation, no idea
21:54 asciilifeform '...Obama is still more popular than Ebola, but not by much.'
21:54 mod6 ben_vulpes: thanks for putting that script together.
21:54 othernubs` you tell me!
21:54 TheNewDeal like the bitfunder ukyo?
21:54 ben_vulpes decimation: how would one ever know?
21:54 ben_vulpes mod6: glad you like it!
21:54 mod6 when it's ready are you gonna put it up on github or some place?
21:54 decimation nothing other than voluntary disclosure I guess
21:54 ben_vulpes what, is my personal site not adequate?
21:55 ben_vulpes it's not meant for curl2sudo broheims
21:55 mod6 it's fine im sure. i'll look for the link. just saw the paste from before.
21:55 ben_vulpes hehe
21:55 ben_vulpes yeah, take a look
21:55 ben_vulpes i'd love your code review as well sir
21:55 othernubs` decimation, i'm actually having a hard time finding numbers on miner stats
21:55 mod6 ok np. i'll take a look
21:56 ben_vulpes i think its sanely factored. far more so than pankakke's obfuscated bash competition entry.
21:56 BingoBoingo <othernubs`> 84% of user agents report 0.8.5 or newer << Occasional 0.8.x node may be considered polite in allowing certain SPV clients connectivity.
21:56 othernubs` ah, heh.
21:56 ben_vulpes occasional 0.5.3 node may advertise itself as 0.9 for reasons of camoflauge
21:57 BingoBoingo othernubs`> decimation, i'm actually having a hard time finding numbers on miner stats << Pool ops rarely run "stock" parts
21:57 othernubs` ben_vulpes, but to what end
21:57 ben_vulpes why so as to not get whacked
21:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00074064 = 12.8131 BTC [+]
21:57 ben_vulpes nail that sticks up gets smacked down, as the nips say
21:57 asciilifeform now if only someone of actual consequence were willing to share what he actually uses...
21:58 decimation X-Rob: you are a miner right? what client do you run?
22:00 decimation " The Americans invaded Afghanistan because the Taleban would not relinquish Osama Bin Laden (who was a CIA operative) unless Americans produced evidence implicating him in 9/11—which did not exist. " lol orlov
22:01 decimation don't tell me orlov is a 'truther'
22:01 BingoBoingo http://www.theangrypharmacist.com/archives/2014/10/norpocalypse.html
22:01 assbot The Angry Pharmacist » Blog Archive » Norpocalypse
22:01 BingoBoingo decimation: Well in the 80's Bin Laden was a CIA asset
22:02 * asciilifeform doesn't buy even half of mr. bush & co.'s fairy tale either.
22:03 othernubs` asciilifeform, you want the JSON code or no? i'd deem it crufty unless you particularly want it
22:04 asciilifeform snipsnip.
22:04 asciilifeform make sure result builds.
22:04 othernubs` makefiles?
22:04 asciilifeform yes
22:04 decimation lol syntax highlight the m4
22:04 asciilifeform result must not only build but actually function
22:04 asciilifeform (e.g. multi-dest sends)
22:05 mircea_popescu and now to logs.
22:05 BingoBoingo othernubs`: What are your printing specs on this looking like?
22:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22525 @ 0.00073982 = 16.6644 BTC [-]
22:05 mod6 any reason for deb 6 and not the latest?
22:06 othernubs` BingoBoingo, i'm a few days away from even attempting to answer that
22:06 BingoBoingo othernubs`: Mostly I'm just wondering about the sort of paper you are printing on.
22:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00073912 = 10.8281 BTC [-]
22:06 ben_vulpes https://github.com/istib/helm-aws << ahahahaha
22:06 assbot istib/helm-aws GitHub
22:06 othernubs` probably Cougar 65lb white
22:06 ben_vulpes now that just goes too goddamn far i tell you
22:06 asciilifeform ideally this should be precisely the kind of paper found in the 1st edition of kernighan & ritchie's 'c'.
22:07 ben_vulpes configuring instances by hand is not allowed, emacs or no
22:07 othernubs` depends on final page count
22:07 asciilifeform 1978.
22:07 othernubs` asciilifeform, /src/test/* ?
22:07 asciilifeform nope
22:07 asciilifeform just the pieces necessary for function.
22:08 othernubs` barest bones, IOW
22:08 asciilifeform barest that can walk.
22:08 othernubs` 50MB windows install
22:08 asciilifeform lol, was it really?
22:08 othernubs` lel jk
22:09 decimation 65 pound paper is pretty heavy isn't it?
22:09 othernubs` ah, i can only test osx compile
22:09 othernubs` decimation, it's not bad for large sheets. thinner paper rips
22:09 asciilifeform k&r paper.
22:09 decimation yeah I could see that
22:09 asciilifeform glossy, indestructible.
22:09 othernubs` right now i'm thinking like folio size, that may change
22:10 othernubs` k&r paper, hm
22:10 asciilifeform fixed font only, if that needed saying
22:10 othernubs` natch
22:10 mod6 ben_vulpes: <+mod6> any reason for deb 6 and not the latest?
22:11 othernubs` you have a preference for thicker or thinner?
22:11 othernubs` say terminal vs courier new
22:11 ben_vulpes mod6: it's what was in production during that 0.5.3 release
22:11 mod6 ah. ok.
22:12 othernubs` asciilifeform, the library's closed, care to stab a guess at the paper weight in k&r?
22:13 mod6 im gonna build up a vm of this and give your script a try: debian-6.0.10-amd64-CD-1.iso
22:13 joecool i have a copy of that around, is there a way to test?
22:13 * othernubs` shrugs helplessly
22:13 ben_vulpes mod6: i'd be thrilled if you'd test it for me. i've been testing it against an amazon image, but more eyes etc etc etc
22:14 ben_vulpes pull the latest from cascadianhacker.com if you'd be so kind
22:14 othernubs` you have any other paper of known make to compare it to?
22:14 mod6 yup, found it over here: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/21_instructions-on-building-bitcoin-053-from-source-on-debian-6-squeeze.html
22:14 assbot Instructions on Building Bitcoin 0.5.3 from Source on Debian 6 (Squeeze)
22:15 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal: mircea_popescu was that AdamIRaway guy really a developer in the MMADX platform? << i have no idea. he said no. one of the guys he lists as associates was involved with it.
22:15 TheNewDeal Gotcha, was curious why the connection was established
22:15 mod6 so far, looks ok. im nazi about some spacing, but it looks functional ;)
22:15 mod6 let you know more when I know more.
22:16 * BingoBoingo thinks archival paper, /me thinks something like http://www.cometsupply.com/mp/EPSON+AMERICA/pm/EPSSP91203/r/ga/?gclid=CLX1_deXv8ECFcRcMgodfREAqA
22:16 decimation ben_vulpes: that's a helpful blog (your summary of major changes)
22:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00073526 = 14.0802 BTC [-] {2}
22:16 othernubs` Cougar is acid-free archival quality ;)
22:16 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal well it;s in the log, but anyway, guy goes "we're doing x with a b c and d". since b worked on x' 5 years ago and x' went nowhere after initial enthusiasm, a reasonable probing.
22:17 mircea_popescu decimation innit.
22:17 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> glossy, indestructible. << long term problem with glossy paper is it tends to flake.. Not just ink, but white surface...
22:17 TheNewDeal I am catching up the logs, which is why I brought it up
22:18 mircea_popescu yeah maybe a good idea to use low acid paper
22:18 decimation my good bible is printed on very thin but weirdly strong paper. thin paper is nice, in the sense that it tends to lie flat
22:18 mircea_popescu decimation cotton paper. expensive.
22:19 othernubs` BingoBoingo, asciilifeform the paper i've got in mind is almost precisely double the weight of standard white bond paper, acid-free, archival quality, semi-gloss finish, 98 brightness
22:19 mod6 i can't believe that pinwheel said he was still gonna hard-fork in the AMA (thx for readers digest qntra) even after this: http://trilema.com/2014/usgavin-the-lolcow/ | I suspect that he reads trilema too. lollerskates.
22:19 assbot USGavin, the lolcow pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
22:19 decimation yeah it wasn't cheap
22:19 othernubs` decimation, mircea_popescu bibles are like fine cigarette papers, made from rice
22:19 mircea_popescu nah, it's cotton/linen
22:20 mircea_popescu ;;google india paper
22:20 gribble India paper - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India_paper>; What is India Paper and How is it Used? - Desktop Publishing: <http://desktoppub.about.com/od/glossary/g/India-Paper.htm>; India Paper: <http://www.indiapaper.com/>
22:20 othernubs` brb
22:20 BingoBoingo othernubs`: Ah
22:20 mircea_popescu mod6 the funny thign is that it'll fail, and he'll still bitch and pretend like he's involved in bitcoin
22:20 mircea_popescu even after that
22:21 mircea_popescu i mean, not like either him or hearn quit after the previous failed fork debacle.
22:21 mircea_popescu and, exactly like described in the quoted thing, idiots and imbeciles on reddit will congratulate him for "having saved" bitcoin.
22:21 mircea_popescu weird world, the us.
22:22 ben_vulpes mod6: let me know what style inputs you have
22:22 mod6 yea! remember that?! he was all "NO ONE SEND ANY COINZ!!!111 ROLL BACK!"
22:22 othernubs` india paper, how bout that!!
22:22 TheNewDeal ping Ukyo
22:22 ben_vulpes mod6: lol "functional" as in the programming style or "functional" in that "kinda sorta mebbe works"
22:22 othernubs` anyway, OOTQ for this
22:22 mircea_popescu othernubs` i was also briefly in publishing.
22:22 * mod6 bangs head
22:23 mod6 ben_vulpes: in the sense that "this looks like it works" :}
22:23 othernubs` mircea_popescu, so you're spilling your seekrit code fork or what?!
22:24 mircea_popescu wait wut ?
22:24 BingoBoingo !up moldysnizz
22:24 * othernubs` scrolls up helplessly
22:24 othernubs` check your ;;later tells
22:24 decimation it also has nice smith-sewn double binding with soft leather
22:24 mircea_popescu oh. no, i've not published a bitcoin fork.
22:24 othernubs` not yet
22:25 * BingoBoingo would like to see more books made of Tyvek and similar
22:25 mircea_popescu the future's not ours to tell...
22:25 mod6 the only fork should be rolling back to pre-powerranger derpitude. too bad about atc tho.
22:25 othernubs` well, if a mysterious manuscript shows up here...
22:26 othernubs` mod6, 0.3.19 is last "satoshi code"
22:26 mod6 yeah, that was pre-DBD tho iirc.
22:26 mod6 bah *BDB
22:26 mircea_popescu lol @the silbert thing and generally bitpay's derpage. seriously, they think they're going to compete with us as a closed source usg-agent ?
22:27 othernubs` BingoBoingo, tyvek is possible with our setup, but golden-toilet-y
22:27 mircea_popescu jesus the things hard drugs do to people.
22:27 BingoBoingo othernubs`: Just think of all of that longetivity though...
22:28 othernubs` pro inks on acid-free paper lasts quite a while too
22:28 BingoBoingo braille punched out of teflon seems super from a machine readable perspective too.
22:28 othernubs` tyvek would be great if you're installing it in an outdoor park
22:29 mod6 <+ben_vulpes> mod6: let me know what style inputs you have << once tested, will do!
22:29 ben_vulpes functional inputs vastly more important though
22:29 mod6 it's trivial. you'll lul
22:29 joecool othernubs`: could you do a building wrap with it?
22:29 BingoBoingo othernubs`: Well.. you gotta think centuries instead of decades
22:30 mircea_popescu omfg hussling the nubbin!
22:30 othernubs` BingoBoingo, almost sounds like you're footing the bill :)
22:30 BingoBoingo othernubs`: Well if you get this set up I may eventually want a copy.
22:30 mod6 me too
22:31 mod6 plzkthx
22:31 mod6 can you make one out of stone?
22:31 * mod6 laughs
22:32 mircea_popescu gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pipe%20cleaning | The act of having sexual intercourse with a woman while she is having her period with the intention to help her "clean her pipe". <<< actually, there's a special cannula procedure for this
22:32 assbot Urban Dictionary: pipe cleaning
22:32 ben_vulpes hussling? is this some odd mix of hassling and hustling?
22:32 mircea_popescu ;;google Karman cannula
22:32 gribble Karman cannula - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karman_cannula>; Karman's cannula and vacuum aspirator in gynecological practice.: <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2607982/>; Flexible Karman Cannulae - HPSRx: <http://www.hpsrx.com/assets/flexible_karman_cannulae.pdf>
22:33 othernubs` so if we're going with 0.6.0, i'm gonna need to know what's required and what's not for a minimum build
22:33 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes no, it's the hustling of hussies.
22:33 othernubs` if anyone's interested in being immortalized in the thank-yous, let me know
22:33 mircea_popescu othernubs` sure, how's that go ?
22:34 ben_vulpes yeah i'll take free credit for no work
22:34 othernubs` heh
22:34 mircea_popescu I READ THE LOG!!!
22:34 mircea_popescu hater.
22:34 othernubs` no free lunch
22:35 mircea_popescu othernubs` well ?
22:35 othernubs` i want a list of files req'd to build a minimal working install
22:36 othernubs` all the news that's fit to print and none that's not
22:36 mircea_popescu lmao @ hungary
22:37 mircea_popescu everything thinks it's a country now.
22:38 asciilifeform othernubs`: see ubiquitous 'lions book' that we're imitating: http://v6.cuzuco.com/v6.pdf
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22:38 asciilifeform othernubs`: can we lift font there?
22:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00073673 = 18.8603 BTC [+] {2}
22:39 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: what is this, late bettor hour? <<< asciilifeform will keep his bet now.
22:40 othernubs` asciilifeform, yeah, no prob
22:40 mircea_popescu decimation: it would be useful if someone 'hardforked' 0.6 and maintained it << quite.
22:41 mircea_popescu and actually, i AM looking for binary maintainers for gentoo/debian(ubuntu)/windoze/etc for a bunch of code
22:41 mircea_popescu namely, eulora, btc, there';s a lot of work to do, and it's paid.
22:41 mircea_popescu so how about someone hit me up on it.
22:41 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: pipe << popular in usa in certain circles, in the '70s, i'm told
22:42 mircea_popescu after all, if usgavin wants a fork, he can have a fork, what's the big deal.
22:42 mircea_popescu decimation: does he? is there a repo? << there's no repo.
22:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: which'd be the earliest that would interoperate with the majority of extant nodes? << last hard fork was to .4, so technically anything. but i'd say a .6 something'd be the best choice.
22:44 mircea_popescu decimation: which is why a hardfork with a different name is necessary, so the n00bs can be educated << no. the name is bitcoin.
22:44 mircea_popescu usgavin can make usbitcoin, or they can have gavin & mike's extra special bitcoin-identical flavouring "i can't believe it's not blockchain"
22:45 decimation heh yeah that's legit.
22:45 mircea_popescu but the notion that .9 is "bitcoin" is laughable on its face.
22:45 decimation over time the distros will be convinced
22:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00074018 = 18.8746 BTC [+] {2}
22:45 mircea_popescu what's next, bitcoin foundation is not a scam parasitizing this space but an actual representative ?
22:45 othernubs` if you're going 0.6 you might as well do 0.6.3
22:45 mircea_popescu there's not enough lsd in the world...
22:46 mircea_popescu and if anyone wants to start a .6 mine, i'll chip in.
22:47 mircea_popescu decimation: rightbut what percent of miners? << better q, what % of coinbase :p
22:47 decimation heh
22:47 othernubs` asciilifeform, v6.pdf appears to be using straight-up courier bold for code
22:47 mircea_popescu you know, just like, "what % of gas station are selling the new gas ?" "dunno, but what % of cars use it ?"
22:48 othernubs` we'll need to put a color name on this
22:48 othernubs` the ____ book
22:48 TheNewDeal mircea_popescu: there's not enough lsd in the world... << agreed
22:48 asciilifeform !s triple power over the forces of hell
22:48 assbot 1 results for 'triple power over the forces of hell' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=triple+power+over+the+forces+of+hell
22:49 mircea_popescu The Pink-Violet Book of Bitcoin ?
22:49 othernubs` the blurple book
22:49 mircea_popescu ahahhaha
22:49 asciilifeform vomit book?
22:49 othernubs` compact disc took most of the basic colors
22:50 mircea_popescu The True Book of Bitcoin
22:50 Apocalyptic <othernubs`> if you're going 0.6 you might as well do 0.6.3 // funny thing is, last commit on 0.6.3 is Jun 19, 2012
22:50 BingoBoingo <othernubs`> compact disc took most of the basic colors << Oreilly and pick an animal
22:50 mircea_popescu Bitcoin's Book of Jesus ?
22:50 asciilifeform koraktor!
22:50 othernubs` Apocalyptic, is that indeed funny?
22:50 asciilifeform https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koraktor
22:50 assbot Koraktor Wikipedia
22:50 decimation theres the rainbow series from nsa
22:50 BingoBoingo <gribble> #21599 || publio || SELL 1.0 ATC @ 1000 Satoshi || None << Interesting
22:51 Apocalyptic othernubs`, nevermind, was gonna compare to the last commit on 0.6.2 which somehow showed me to be in 2011
22:51 Apocalyptic which is nonsense
22:51 othernubs` grey book sounds serious enough and is underutilized
22:51 othernubs` but then the cover has to be grey
22:52 Apocalyptic I guess 0.6.3 should be ok
22:52 othernubs` it seems to be mostly mac bugfixes
22:53 othernubs` okay, informal name and cover art decided
22:53 othernubs` the rest should come together quickly
22:54 othernubs` anyone got that file list yet?
22:54 * asciilifeform surprised how much interest from folks who aren't him
22:54 mircea_popescu it's 3 in the morning and the log is 500 lines ya buncha chatterboxes.
22:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you're among friends.
22:54 othernubs` ^
22:54 mircea_popescu also, nubs had decent success with the posters iirc
22:54 othernubs` yep, the forums would eat this book
22:54 asciilifeform who else, i wonder, wishes for one of these
22:54 mircea_popescu which reminds me, The20YearIRCloud any renters yet ?
22:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform he's prollly going to sell a hundred, you kidding ?
22:55 asciilifeform lol!
22:55 asciilifeform noway
22:55 mircea_popescu my bet is you'll end up with a free book and beer.
22:55 * asciilifeform foretastes beer
22:56 othernubs` are there any useful BIPs we're missing out on?
22:56 mircea_popescu save it for the 2nd edition.
22:56 mircea_popescu ;;ident othernubs`
22:56 gribble Nick 'othernubs`', with hostmask 'othernubs`!~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163081094.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net', is identified as user 'othernubs`', with GPG key id F961A901022D2AFB, key fingerprint 66839483B86EB0955618740DF961A901022D2AFB, and bitcoin address None
22:56 mircea_popescu ugh.
22:56 mircea_popescu what happened there again ?
22:56 asciilifeform where'd they put nubbins` ?
22:57 othernubs` heh
22:57 othernubs` can't go copying keys between machines
22:57 othernubs` ;;gettrust nubbins` othernubs`
22:57 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask othernubs`!~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163081094.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user othernubs`: Level 1: 10, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=othernubs%60 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=othernubs%60 | Rated since: Mon Oct 20 00:55:51 2014
22:57 TheNewDeal can you atleast give yourself a goddamn rating?
22:57 mircea_popescu aok
22:57 Apocalyptic btw mircea, just had a chance to read the usgavin trilema piece, it's stunning
22:57 mircea_popescu !up dtr
22:57 dtr hello
22:57 mircea_popescu Apocalyptic you know i got that from a number of ppl ? incl mpoe-pr
22:57 mircea_popescu "gave me goosebumps it's so plainly vivid" she said
22:58 Apocalyptic I saw her comment :)
22:58 mircea_popescu dtr hi. who are you ?
22:58 othernubs` TheNewDeal, how do you think ive had +v all day ;D
22:58 Apocalyptic oh that I didn't know
22:58 dtr i'm me, who are you
22:58 TheNewDeal k, now give me one!
22:58 mircea_popescu !down dtr
22:58 mircea_popescu mkay.
22:59 othernubs` so before i fully dive in here, is it worth asking what's the most recent acceptable version?
23:00 mircea_popescu kinda what ben_vulpes' been working on neh ?
23:00 othernubs` you'd be sad if you paid 1btc for a book that's got a shitty bug, or that's 1 release behind a major improvement
23:00 othernubs` ben_vulpes, speaketh
23:00 mircea_popescu the bug is not so much of a concern, nobody is typing the book into a machine.
23:00 mircea_popescu and a pencil can fix it.
23:00 othernubs` https://bitcoin.org/en/version-history
23:00 assbot Bitcoin Core version history
23:00 mircea_popescu anyway, the consensus seems to be 6.3 ?
23:00 asciilifeform each of us, i suspect, has his own use for book.
23:00 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> the bug is not so much of a concern, nobody is typing the book into a machine. << Wait, then what was the purpose again?
23:01 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo crack heads ?
23:01 othernubs` 0.6.3 seems to be the winner
23:01 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: don't confuse this item with phil z's pgp book
23:01 mircea_popescu ;;google and he smithen them with the holy bible
23:01 gribble Chuck Smith :: The Baptism of the Holy Spirit (Part ... - Blue Letter Bible: <https://www.blueletterbible.org/Comm/smith_chuck/HolySpirit/hs_05.cfm>; Prophecies in the Bible about Joseph Smith - Ensign Jan. 1989 ...: <https://www.lds.org/ensign/1989/01/prophecies-in-the-bible-about-joseph-smith?lang=eng>; Book of Mormon. A Scripture Testament of Jesus Christ | Mormon.org: (1 more message)
23:01 mod6 ben_vulpes's thing is gonna install 0.5.3
23:01 mod6 so maybe that version should be bumped up in there, unless I'm missing something.
23:01 mircea_popescu or that.
23:02 TheNewDeal RagnarDanneskjol how long back do these Azelphur logs go?
23:03 mircea_popescu im pretty sure he was here in the first days.
23:04 othernubs` 0.6.0 initial network synchronization is 5x faster than 0.5.3 ;)
23:04 asciilifeform wasn't irc sync phased out then ?
23:05 decimation "irc peer scanning disabled" in 0.6.0
23:05 othernubs` ^
23:05 decimation according to Mr. Vulpes
23:05 othernubs` and .org
23:06 mircea_popescu it wasn't terribly useful by then.
23:06 mircea_popescu it was crucial originally, to ensure against an at the time unknown nsa.
23:06 othernubs` brb fresh air
23:06 mircea_popescu meanwhile it proved worthlessly inept, so whatevs.
23:06 asciilifeform unknown!? lolechelon
23:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform back in 2010 ? yeah.
23:06 mircea_popescu nobody really knew if they're any good or not.
23:10 decimation sigh bitcoin uses boost
23:11 asciilifeform didn't know this?
23:11 mircea_popescu "At that time the stakes weren't very high yet. There was much noise around a fellow named Magnitsky, a corporate lawyer-crook who got caught and died in pretrial custody. He had been holding items for some bigger Western crooks, who were, of course, never apprehended. The Americans chose to treat this as a human rights violation and responded with the so-called “Magnitsky Act” which sanctioned certain Russian indi
23:11 mircea_popescu viduals who were labeled as human rights violators. Russian legislators responded with the “Dima Yakovlev Bill,” named after a Russian orphan adopted by Americans who killed him by leaving him in a locked car for nine hours. This bill banned American orphan-killing fiends from adopting any more Russian orphans. It all amounted to a silly bit of melodrama."
23:11 mircea_popescu this guy is so fucking nuts.
23:11 mircea_popescu seriously, that's what happened there ? o.O
23:11 asciilifeform the public face of what happened
23:11 asciilifeform more or less as described.
23:12 mircea_popescu guy made some allegations of theft, fraud and embezzelment, died in custody without having been charged, a week before the one year (seriously ?!?!?!) term he could be held without trial.
23:13 asciilifeform had problems.
23:13 mircea_popescu reading orlov is like reading j. fest v2.0
23:15 asciilifeform ;;google ideas are soldiers
23:15 gribble Care Packages For Soldiers: A Guide On What To Send: <http://www.thesoldiersfamily.com/>; CARE PACKAGE IDEAS | Gathering 4 Soldiers: <http://gathering4soldiers.wordpress.com/care-package-ideas/>; Carepackages for our Soldier on Pinterest: <http://www.pinterest.com/kmwillson/carepackages-for-our-soldier/>
23:15 asciilifeform fail.
23:15 mircea_popescu lmao
23:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform were you looking for "The American behavior throughout this succession of defeats has been remarkably consistent, with the constant element being their flat refusal to deal with reality in any way, shape or form." ? :D
23:15 mircea_popescu that sounds about right.
23:15 asciilifeform aha
23:17 mircea_popescu seems the way current bureaucracies are interpreting the "ideas are soldiers" thing is very pedestrian seo : "narratives are soldiers"
23:17 mircea_popescu well... narratives aren't soldiers, narratives are whores. substantially different.
23:18 undata I hear a basket of american-flag cookies cures PTSD.
23:18 mircea_popescu There were even some threats to cut Russia off from the SWIFT system, which would have made it quite difficult to transfer funds between Russia and the West, but what these threats did instead was to give Russia the impetus to introduce its own RUSSWIFT system, which will include even Iran, neutralizing future American efforts at imposing financial restrictions.
23:19 asciilifeform undata: with or without wagner/cyanide ?
23:19 mircea_popescu this, by the way, is factual, and incalculably fucking stupid.
23:19 undata asciilifeform: no no, a kid rock album and beer.
23:19 decimation mircea_popescu: stupid on whose part?
23:19 undata how unamerican
23:19 othernubs` asciilifeform, include INSTALL, README, doc/*, locale/*?
23:19 asciilifeform zapzapzap
23:19 mircea_popescu decimation the us. it literally killed aml bs.
23:20 asciilifeform anyone care to see the turdlets in?
23:20 othernubs` COPYING is required, and i'd suggest including doc/build-*.txt
23:20 mircea_popescu i can now leisurely transfer moneyz from washington to tehran, just hop it off swift into russwift via the national network in any of two dozen different sattelite states.
23:22 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: even plausible that usg permitted this to avoid hastening axe-time, sword-time, bitcoin-time
23:22 othernubs` actually i may include doc/* as an addendum, it's only a few single pages
23:22 asciilifeform crapolade - in, aye, as appendices
23:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah well, anything's plausible, but unforced mistakes are still stupid.
23:22 decimation european banks hate aml because of the shit they have to go through for us clients
23:22 mircea_popescu just, you know, us bureaucrats do not manage to comprehend they're nobody and need to stfu when actual people are talking.
23:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12597 @ 0.00073744 = 9.2895 BTC [-]
23:23 asciilifeform organisms with simple nervous systems, they are; while on the correct side of the tinted glass, will continue to think they are 'someone.'
23:23 mircea_popescu there is no correct side of tinted glass.
23:23 mircea_popescu once there's tinted glass, the war was lost.
23:24 decimation somehow ever since the late 70's and early 80's when the aml stuff was made law, usg has gotten used to the idea that it can just make transacting money illegal as it wills
23:24 asciilifeform correct side, conventionally, is the one with the chixxors & coke, rather than fleas and reddit
23:25 BingoBoingo http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--o0Bf43ti--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/p2sdfkdazwigmabfmrzr.gif
23:25 mircea_popescu decimation nothing's as readily persuasive as a mistake.
23:27 decimation the problem is that it kinda worked for the backwater Caribbean drug runners it was intended to hurt
23:29 decimation but in 1980 usg was a net trade creditor to the world
23:29 mircea_popescu you recall chinese products in 1980 ?
23:29 decimation they were shit, plastic gimmicks
23:30 mircea_popescu so then.
23:30 mircea_popescu yes, 1980 was before "everyone goes to college" and before "we'll outsource" and before all the rest of the crap.
23:30 decimation now the us runs a net trade deficit of >500$bn per year
23:30 mircea_popescu you mean 900
23:30 mircea_popescu or was 900 the fiscal deficit
23:30 decimation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_trade_of_the_United_States
23:30 assbot Foreign trade of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
23:31 mike_c BingoBoingo: whoa. that looks disastrous at first
23:31 mircea_popescu yeah, 900bn is the us budget shortfall
23:32 decimation right, and of course these are only 'cashflow' numbers, not debt on the books
23:32 undata 17.8 trillion total debt
23:32 decimation http://www.usdebtclock.org/ depending on how you count there are about $100-$250 trillion in outstanding liabilities
23:32 assbot U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
23:33 mircea_popescu "You'd think that Obama has already overplayed his hand, and should behave accordingly. His popularity at home is roughly the inverse of Putin's, which is to say, Obama is still more popular than Ebola, but not by much. He can't get anything at all done, no matter how pointless or futile, and his efforts to date, at home and abroad, have been pretty much a disaster. So what does this social worker turned national masco
23:33 mircea_popescu t decide to do?" <<< ahahaah epic.
23:33 undata and they have a fiddly definition of what counts as debt
23:33 mircea_popescu dude, trust the enemy to give true to life portraits, it always works.
23:33 mircea_popescu decimation nah, there's practically infinity outstanding.
23:34 decimation right, like liberia saving to buy whatsapp
23:34 mircea_popescu this for a number of reasons, chief among which : the reported figures doesn't and hasn't for decades included all sorts of figures.
23:34 undata http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/01/17/you-think-the-deficit-is-bad-federal-unfunded-liabilities-exceed-127-trillion/
23:34 assbot You Think The Deficit Is Bad? Federal Unfunded Liabilities Exceed $127 Trillion - Forbes
23:34 mircea_popescu more importantly : if the various cds, swaps and futures unwind, that's a notional .5 to 100 quadrillion dollars gone
23:34 decimation all of which are implicitly on usg's books, because too big to fail
23:34 mircea_popescu exactly.
23:34 asciilifeform at certain point, there is a phase change, and the debt is repayable only in: meat.
23:35 mircea_popescu so quantifying it is pointless. it's never getting paid anyway.
23:35 mircea_popescu like trying to evaluate the weight of the stone around a man's neck who's chained to the castle wall.
23:35 mircea_popescu well, there's the castle, and the rock upon which it rests, and the province in which the rock lies...
23:35 asciilifeform this is precisely what i mean when i say that one thing or another costs $maxint
23:36 asciilifeform meaning, rigorously, that for all valid machine ints i, i <= $maxint
23:38 asciilifeform 'Full fathom five thy father lies; of his bones are coral made; those are pearls that were his eyes...'
23:39 * undata looks at the 11 dollar bill on his desk from the IRS
23:40 undata yeah... that'll help
23:40 asciilifeform donate btc for ze war effort!
23:40 mircea_popescu "For example, it is known that after the end of World War II America's military planners were thinking of launching a nuclear strike against the USSR, and the only thing that held them back was the fact that they didn't have enough bombs, meaning that Russia would have taken over all of Europe before the effects of the nuclear strikes could have deterred them from doing so (Russia had no nuclear weapons at the time, bu
23:40 mircea_popescu t lots of conventional forces right in the heart of Europe)."
23:40 mircea_popescu this is total bs lol.
23:40 mircea_popescu patton wanted to keep going. nobody else did.
23:41 decimation so did most of the captured germans
23:41 asciilifeform dulles
23:41 mod6 ben_vulpes: http://dpaste.com/01J9WVB
23:41 assbot dpaste: 01J9WVB
23:42 undata mod6: you need more sources in your sources.list
23:44 mircea_popescu the Federal Reserve is fresh out of magic bullets and faces a choice between crashing the stock market and crashing the bond market. << this is exactly correct by the way.
23:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you can tell me anything you wish, but he IS a kgb puppet. there's just no way he could have figured this one on his own.
23:44 mod6 perhaps the script should throw a line in /etc/apt/sources.list
23:44 mircea_popescu it's correct, but too valuable for him. he was given notes.
23:44 undata mod6: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/
23:44 assbot Debian Sources List Generator
23:45 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: no need for muppetry, i get same notes from ru armchair generals
23:45 undata mod6: nah that wouldn't be general across distros
23:45 mircea_popescu anyway, anyone want to bet on whether the stock or the bond market will take it in the ass ? thatr's the major debate in washnington atm. stocks are basically the young libtards, bonds the old ones.
23:45 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: but i have about the same amount of use for the information as a chimp does for pentium
23:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform anything can be obtained from "the internet". obviously. knowing what to obtain however...
23:46 asciilifeform gotta speak languages.
23:46 asciilifeform at minumum!
23:46 asciilifeform *min
23:46 mircea_popescu even so.
23:46 mircea_popescu he doesn't have the specific knowledge ot discern.
23:46 asciilifeform the folks in his wot - do.
23:46 TheNewDeal http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/bitcoin-to-drop-under-200-before-december/#c4173 << check it out, they managed to break the urls. <<< happened a month earlier as well, no one bitched http://bitbet.us/bet/1046/gold-above-1200-on-november-1st/
23:46 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $200 before December :: 2.03 B (10%) on Yes, 17.33 B (90%) on No | closed 3 hours 46 minutes ago
23:46 assbot BitBet - Gold above $1200 on November 1st :: 1.07 B (66%) on Yes, 0.54 B (34%) on No | closed 3 days 3 hours ago
23:47 mircea_popescu anyway, fwiw, i'm convinced, he's gotta be.
23:47 asciilifeform also if i recall he did a tour of duty in u.s. finance derpatronics industry
23:47 asciilifeform and has contacts there.
23:47 mircea_popescu as plausible as all that may be...
23:48 asciilifeform if mr o is shilling, he's an uncommonly frugal and ascetic shill.
23:50 mircea_popescu w. joyce was not particularly luxurious for that matter.
23:50 decimation mircea_popescu: it strikes me that if rates are hiked both stocks and bonds would take a hit
23:50 mircea_popescu decimation nah, they still have the ability to choose one.
23:51 decimation well, I guess the law of bankruptcy handed down from the ancients is that debt is senior to equity
23:52 mircea_popescu it's not a matter of bankruptcy anyway. so debt is senior to equity, facebook implodes leaving a 60 bn hole, what's going to be sold ? watsapp ?
23:52 decimation heh yeah
23:52 decimation and google space
23:52 mircea_popescu five bux, which is a gross estimate of its actual net worth, won't make a difference.
23:53 mircea_popescu no, the solution is purely monetary.
23:54 decimation to paraphrase mr. yarvin, every asset must pass through the bitcoin-hole
23:54 mod6 http://dpaste.com/00YBNXZ
23:54 assbot dpaste: 00YBNXZ
23:54 mircea_popescu Financially, Russia's position is so solid that even the three Western credit ratings agencies don't have the gall to downgrade Russia's rating, sanctions notwithstanding. This is a country that is aggressively paying down its foreign debt, is running a record-high budget surplus, has a positive balance of payments, is piling up physical gold reserves, and not a month goes by that it doesn't sign a major international
23:54 mircea_popescu trade deal (that circumvents the US dollar). In comparison, the US is a dead man walking: unless it can continue rolling over trillions of dollars in short-term debt every month at record-low interest rates, it won't be able to pay the interest on its debt or its bills.
23:54 mircea_popescu this is also quite right. either russia or china can in fact raise interest rates causing a collapse.
23:54 mircea_popescu which is actually the major bargaining chip with the eu, not stupid produce import bans
23:54 mircea_popescu half a point could be enough.
23:55 decimation yeah it was the sane move. russia has a sad economy but enormous natural reserves, they should price their money like kuwait
23:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00074064 = 7.5545 BTC [+] {2}
23:55 mircea_popescu it's not THAT sad, not anymore.
23:55 mircea_popescu russia moved from 1990 to 2010 about as much as china moved from 1980 to 2005.
23:56 decimation for awhile they were under Portugal
23:56 mircea_popescu see, these things happen but don't last.
23:56 mircea_popescu romania was for a while on par with somalia.
23:56 mircea_popescu but romania is white people, and somalia is black people.
23:56 kakobrekla nah
23:56 mircea_popescu kakobrekla not that somalia, the other somalia.
23:56 kakobrekla a.
23:56 Apocalyptic heh
23:57 decimation lol. yeah according to idiowiki they are about #8 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29
23:57 assbot List of countries by GDP (nominal) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
23:57 mircea_popescu this is no figure of speech either. in 1992ish, plenty of romanians working for the state made ~1.20 dollars a day
23:58 decimation russia has lots of white people and lots of resources, asians too
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