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00:00	bitcoinpete	anything for a price ;)
00:00	RebeccaBitcoin	now you're talking
00:00	bitcoinpete	never heard about this shady past though
00:00	RebeccaBitcoin	I spent like 18 mins googling him
00:00	bitcoinpete	only thing i know of was satoshi circle iirc
00:00	bitcoinpete	sold it for 6 figures i think
00:00	RebeccaBitcoin	ya, which is kinda illegal gambling but that's hardly sahdy
00:00	bitcoinpete	cad
00:00	RebeccaBitcoin	shady
00:01	RebeccaBitcoin	I was hoping for some sort of elaborate scam
00:01	bitcoinpete	it's called ethereum
00:01	RebeccaBitcoin	;p
00:01	RebeccaBitcoin	a previous elaborate scam
00:03	bitcoinpete	i'm sure mircea_popescu could recommend a private eye if you really must know ;)
00:04	bitcoinpete	mike_c: bitcoinpete is a pretty good bitcoin-assets marketer. << well don't mind if i do :D
00:04	RebeccaBitcoin	Now only if it wasn't so complicated to get on here
00:04	RebeccaBitcoin	make a username, choose a password, GPG gribble nonsense
00:04	RebeccaBitcoin	and then to make it worse, I have to do gribble every time I log on
00:05	Duffer1	it's training
00:05	RebeccaBitcoin	for...
00:05	Duffer1	valuable habits
00:05	RebeccaBitcoin	I'm like a pro at internet security
00:05	RebeccaBitcoin	I store my coins in a brain wallet
00:05	RebeccaBitcoin	becky'scoins
00:05	RebeccaBitcoin	it has a ' so that makes it more seure
00:05	RebeccaBitcoin	secure
00:05	bitcoinpete	lol
00:05	Duffer1	i thought i was too, till i got attacked a couple weeks ago, read the logs
00:06	Duffer1	thoroghly compromised
00:06	bitcoinpete	Duffer1: but weren't you using windows ?
00:06	Duffer1	yea
00:06	RebeccaBitcoin	hahaha
00:06	bitcoinpete	so...
00:06	Duffer1	i know i know
00:07	BingoBoingo	<bitcoinpete> Duffer1: but weren't you using windows ? << People can screw the pooch on Linux too
00:07	bitcoinpete	it's easier to skin your knees on a skateboard than in a car
00:08	RebeccaBitcoin	well said
00:08	Duffer1	they didn't get anything except a piece of pride :P
00:09	RebeccaBitcoin	because you had no coins or because you have them well secured
00:09	RebeccaBitcoin	That must be depressing for hackers. Hack into someone's computer, and they have no bitcoins.
00:09	Duffer1	offline purpose built laptop
00:09	RebeccaBitcoin	especially if they should have coins
00:10	RebeccaBitcoin	pete
00:10	Duffer1	i don't believe my comp was infilitrated, they attacked my services
00:11	RebeccaBitcoin	If someone makes a bot that steals coins from brain wallets
00:11	RebeccaBitcoin	is that unethical
00:11	Duffer1	to try to gain access to coinbase, which did have access to my bank account
00:13	RebeccaBitcoin	I assume coinbase has 2factor
00:14	Duffer1	yea
00:14	bitcoinpete	RebeccaBitcoin: is hacking ethical ?
00:14	bitcoinpete	sure it is
00:14	bitcoinpete	it's a necessary force
00:14	Duffer1	but the attacker knew my cell number / provider and tried to set up call forwarding for the coinbase 2fa token
00:15	bitcoinpete	brb
00:17	Duffer1	anyways the point is, i learned a security mindset from b-a, gpg reinforced the habit
00:17	Duffer1	and the attacker is empty handed
00:21	RebeccaBitcoin	I'm back
00:21	RebeccaBitcoin	did I miss anything
00:22	RebeccaBitcoin	I'm guessing not
00:23	dub	there are logs
00:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5959 @ 0.00081738 = 4.8708 BTC [+]
00:23	RebeccaBitcoin	ah I did miss something
00:24	RebeccaBitcoin	Duffer taught me that if I use windows, I have to regularly use GPG to protect myself
00:25	Duffer1	lol if you use any system you can still get owned if they know enough about you and get some tier one wanker to change an email pw
00:27	RebeccaBitcoin	true
00:28	asciilifeform	Duffer1 keeps his root pw in his mailbox ?
00:29	RebeccaBitcoin	isn't that the safest place?
00:29	RebeccaBitcoin	root pw in your gmail
00:29	asciilifeform	2nd only to one's arse
00:29	Duffer1	hehe ofc not
00:30	RebeccaBitcoin	Its always a good idea to have an email to yourself with the subject passwords
00:30	RebeccaBitcoin	put all your usernames and passwords in there
00:30	asciilifeform	the ones that set off the thermite.
00:30	RebeccaBitcoin	and make sure your passwords have some $ signs in them
00:30	RebeccaBitcoin	that makes them safer, especiailly if money is involved
00:31	dub	changing e to 3 makes passwords secure
00:31	BingoBoingo	<asciilifeform> the ones that set off the thermite. << lol
00:32	RebeccaBitcoin	good suggestion dub
00:32	RebeccaBitcoin	I'll change my brainwallet to b3cky'scoins
00:32	RebeccaBitcoin	also, one other pro tip: If you use google authenticator 2 factor, its always a good idea to save the QR code pic in your gmail with your passwords
00:33	RebeccaBitcoin	that way if you lose your phone when out clubbing or whatever, you can re-scan it
00:34	pete_dushenski	;;rate nanotube 2 there when you need him
00:34	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user nanotube has been recorded.
00:34	TheNewDeal	!s lawgs
00:34	assbot	10 results for 'lawgs' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=lawgs
00:35	RebeccaBitcoin	Pete gave into Miracea's peer pressure from last night?
00:35	TheNewDeal	Rebecca, I was gone earlier, but here's your answer to "Did I miss anything ?" https://imgflip.com/i/9iu9z
00:35	assbot	Image tagged in lawgs - Imgflip
00:35	cazalla	can't believe bitcoinpete gave in :\
00:36	pete_dushenski	RebeccaBitcoin: i blame benkay and his crap typing skills
00:37	pete_dushenski	cazalla: sorta the straw that broke the camel's back
00:39	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/07/saving-face.html << possibly interesting to you
00:39	assbot	ClubOrlov: Saving Face
00:43	pete_dushenski	benkay: she just doesn't have moosedickpete's heteroboner for mircea_popescu << give her time.
00:44	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I am swiftly coming to the conclusion that the only undisputable fact is that Malaysia Airlines should probably be uninsurable by now.
00:44	RebeccaBitcoin	haha
00:44	asciilifeform	if wtc is insurable - what remains ?
00:45	RebeccaBitcoin	malaysian is probably pretty safe
00:45	RebeccaBitcoin	2 crashes in a few months
00:45	RebeccaBitcoin	odds are there won't be a third
00:45	asciilifeform	who knows, perhaps insurers now believe, as some ww1 soldiers did, that 'shell doesn't ever drop into the old crater'
00:47	RebeccaBitcoin	the ukranian one doesn't appear to be entirely malaysian's fault
00:47	RebeccaBitcoin	sure they stupidly flew there
00:47	BingoBoingo	<asciilifeform> who knows, perhaps insurers now believe, as some ww1 soldiers did, that 'shell doesn't ever drop into the old crater' << Old crater is perfect target to shell if you can't see enemies outside of it.
00:48	pete_dushenski	asciilifeform like israelis who, during the intifada in the early 2000s, would pack the bar that was previously suicide bombed the second it re-opened
00:51	pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: omg popescu and rescue don't rhyme. << says mur-see-uhh
00:51	Duffer1	shit it's not pronounced "you"? my poor haikus :((
00:58	pete_dushenski	;;bc,stats
00:58	gribble	Current Blocks: 312959 | Current Difficulty: 1.8736441558310238E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 314495 | Next Difficulty In: 1536 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 4 hours, 7 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 18956348956.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.17369
00:58	BingoBoingo	%d
00:58	pete_dushenski	;;nethash
00:58	atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 552418.63 in 749 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -19.61
00:58	gribble	134835565.293
00:58	benkay	ether ether ether
00:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11101 @ 0.00081467 = 9.0437 BTC [-]
00:59	pete_dushenski	…all day long. ether ether ether while i sing this song
00:59	benkay	pete_dushenski's feelings...
00:59	pete_dushenski	benkay: ikr? like since when are those a thing?
01:00	benkay	<RebeccaBitcoin> is that unethical // it's to be expected
01:00	benkay	<RebeccaBitcoin> is that unethical // brainwallets must have adequate entropy, and no JS doth not provide.
01:01	benkay	<asciilifeform> the ones that set off the thermite. // ding ding ding
01:02	benkay	<pete_dushenski> benkay: she just doesn't have moosedickpete's heteroboner for mircea_popescu << give her time. << last week was big black dicks in the ass, this week is moose dick, next week is she-dick.
01:02	pete_dushenski	#b-a: home of the dicks
01:03	benkay	i think shemales
01:03	benkay	https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4092/5013964672_eefe8527fc_z.jpg
01:03	benkay	fuck all of my different clipboards
01:03	benkay	the os x one only has one slot as apparently a giant "fuck you" to anyone who's not a retard
01:04	benkay	oh also i was told today that calling things "stupid" is bad because some people identify as stupid and using stupid as a negative word makes them feel bad
01:04	benkay	so we started saying "poorly engineered" to which i object because i'm a crap engineer
01:05	benkay	came to the conclusion that until people start identifying as piles of feces, the only acceptable bad word is "shitty" and then i remembered this one girl...
01:05	benkay	also someone pointed out that shit is healthy and good and helps you diagnose your internal gut flora state
01:05	*	benkay throws his hands up
01:06	benkay	that's all the log i get?
01:06	benkay	slackers
01:06	benkay	;;ud "white girl wasted"
01:07	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=White%20Girl%20Wasted | To get completely drunk, wasted or sloshed to the point where you can no longer control yourself physically or mentally. Term originally given to younger white ...
01:07	pete_dushenski	benkay: some people identify as stupid << hardly. pretty sure everyone in north america think they're hawkings' able-bodied offspring
01:07	benkay	but "some"
01:07	benkay	"some" people might get offended
01:08	pete_dushenski	ofc, which is why you have to talk extra loud to make sure that no one misses your golden eggs
01:08	pete_dushenski	offending people is a gift
01:09	pete_dushenski	put that in the natphil diagram
01:09	benkay	mocking the youth for their idiocy is a core tenet of my educational philosophy
01:09	benkay	today, at least.
01:11	benkay	aight well i'm too tired to code, so i'm going to knock off and get up early tomorrow.
01:11	benkay	night pete_dushenski
01:11	pete_dushenski	cheers benkay
01:11	benkay	aw that's so pleasant! i type pete and it tabcompletes!
01:11	pete_dushenski	you're welcome :D
01:12	benkay	;;rated pete_dushenski
01:12	gribble	You rated user pete_dushenski on Sun Apr 13 13:08:25 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: None.
01:12	pete_dushenski	see, everything swapped over
01:12	pete_dushenski	thanks be to nanotube !
01:13	benkay	;;rated jurov
01:13	gribble	You rated user jurov on Sun Apr 13 13:06:17 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: great to work with.
01:13	benkay	;;rate jurov 3 keeps his word.
01:13	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user jurov has changed from 2 to 3.
01:16	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00081715 = 18.3042 BTC [+] {2}
01:20	ben_vulpes	<-- attn
01:20	ben_vulpes	;;ident
01:20	gribble	CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'ben_vulpes', with hostmask 'ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay', is identified as user 'benkay', with GPG key id 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, key fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None
01:21	ben_vulpes	nanotube: i'm signing off for the night, but dig this:
01:21	ben_vulpes	;;eauth benkay
01:21	gribble	Request successful for user benkay, hostmask ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
01:21	ben_vulpes	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:dea5a830caed3972cae01f44b360cd50298595fea0ebe6c6a5872ba0
01:21	gribble	You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
01:30	mircea_popescu	o look pete
01:30	mircea_popescu	ben vulpes what happened here!
01:34	mircea_popescu	xanthyos: so what about tit video, at 24 frames per second. does that go for 2.4 btc/s? << lol nope.
01:34	mircea_popescu	RetroUpriser: but they wouldnt be coming into assests << then they wouldn't be getting paid.
01:34	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla: anyway, he seems to be authed << you srsly brokt it, this isn't how it's supposed to work.
01:35	mircea_popescu	o nm. itis huh.
01:36	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: Step One, Give irc bot a new function. Step two work forever on maintaining and refining it. << it's not JUST bots you know.
01:36	mircea_popescu	dub: http://imgur.com/ww3ODOd << surprisingly, no c0ks in thre ?!
01:36	assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
01:38	mircea_popescu	mike_c: the forum is probably rubbing off on me already. << was the valve ready to pop earlier from that ?
01:39	mircea_popescu	RebeccaBitcoin: Right, so he's been sleeping for like 19 hours << side effects of a good bj.
01:46	mircea_popescu	http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/ << whoa pankkake what happened there, i got banned ?
01:46	assbot	Assets Assimilated
01:48	mircea_popescu	RebeccaBitcoin: Oh ok sorry if I bothered you. As my name suggests I am a sub and was looking << is this the russian bride scam being marketed to women now ?
01:51	mircea_popescu	bah so what i just missed everyone ?
01:51	mircea_popescu	;;seen mike_c
01:51	gribble	mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 14 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <mike_c> !up jborkl
01:53	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo: Step One, Give irc bot a new function. Step two work forever on maintaining and refining it. << it's not JUST bots you know. << of course
01:54	mircea_popescu	RebeccaBitcoin: coolpete would have promoted the scam << little miss wry sarcasm's kinda fun to read huh. except when she fucks up the pasting.
01:58	mircea_popescu	Duffer1: shit it's not pronounced "you"? my poor haikus :(( << it was just a sly lead-in for the next line
01:59	mircea_popescu	benkay: fuck all of my different clipboards <<< aaaahahahaahah. penisfooted wolf, srsly ?
02:03	mircea_popescu	http://37.media.tumblr.com/c83f6b073c3a71da6018c18c558003ab/tumblr_mowggbbqh81qlne6uo1_500.jpg
02:04	cazalla	damn, new ISIS video is more brutal than the last
02:04	mircea_popescu	kinda the point of isis neh ?
02:04	cazalla	videos are 30m video effects, 2m of GTA style, not sure if they want to show off the killing or video editing skills more
02:05	mircea_popescu	lol
02:05	cazalla	http://youtu.be/JABN4e4YwuA?t=33m45s
02:05	assbot	‫ | | ‬‎ - YouTube
02:05	BingoBoingo	!up Petrodriller
02:07	BingoBoingo	The Derposphere http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2bzr1h/coindesk_rips_off_another_honest_author_refuses/
02:07	assbot	@CoinDesk rips off another honest author. Refuses to acknowledge that it did. : Bitcoin
02:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 980 @ 0.00282983 = 2.7732 BTC [-] {9}
02:08	mircea_popescu	lol
02:10	BingoBoingo	Also arsehole is actually the safest place http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2byx1x/the_stolen_600_bitcoin_lesson_identity_theft/
02:10	assbot	The stolen 600+ Bitcoin Lesson, Identity Theft, Nothing is 100% Safe, but youll Survive : Bitcoin
02:11	mircea_popescu	"Ukrainians excell at robbing, selling out, dismantling and destroying their own country; but achieving a specific, precise result as part of a highly coordinated mission? Not so much."
02:11	mircea_popescu	now why;'s this guy being a gratuitous asshole ?
02:13	BingoBoingo	!up Guest48838
02:16	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18632 @ 0.00081311 = 15.1499 BTC [-] {4}
02:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 2160 @ 0.0008 = 1.728 BTC [+]
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02:41	BingoBoingo	!up fats_cd03_
02:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.18620797 = 3.3517 BTC [+] {7}
02:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.18889989 = 1.5112 BTC [+]
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03:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18725 @ 0.000809 = 15.1485 BTC [-]
03:19	mircea_popescu	;;ticker
03:19	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 584.93, Best ask: 586.43, Bid-ask spread: 1.50000, Last trade: 586.43, 24 hour volume: 8636.32621492, 24 hour low: 570.5, 24 hour high: 596.0, 24 hour vwap: 582.088195257
03:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.1888999 = 1.3223 BTC [+] {2}
03:26	BingoBoingo	%t
03:26	atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 210 Ask: 250 Last Price: 210 24h-Vol: 12k High: 270 Low: 210 VWAP: 210
03:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.18889999 = 0.9445 BTC [+]
03:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.189 = 1.134 BTC [+]
03:42	mircea_popescu	!up coinboy
03:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.189048 = 4.7262 BTC [+] {2}
03:44	coinboy	long on ether brought me here
03:44	mircea_popescu	aha.
03:44	mircea_popescu	!s dpaste
03:44	assbot	68 results for 'dpaste' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=dpaste
03:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.1897 = 0.7588 BTC [+] {2}
03:45	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2014#770333
03:45	assbot	#bitcoin-assets log
03:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.18995 = 1.1397 BTC [+] {3}
03:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 7372 @ 0.0008 = 5.8976 BTC [+]
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04:12	pankkake	re AndrewJackson's quit message, I find https://twitter.com/coindesk/status/334646859920441346 but not the original - did he delete it?
04:16	mircea_popescu	pankkake hey did you take trilema off teh blogs ?
04:16	pankkake	no, when I went on it it was there
04:17	pankkake	however I always delete the cache before updating, so if the feed has an error, it will temporarily disappear I suppose
04:20	mircea_popescu	oh teh feed has an error ?
04:21	mircea_popescu	ah i see it. maybe it didn't answer timely something like that ?
04:21	mircea_popescu	had some load issues today
04:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.18999 = 0.95 BTC [-]
04:22	pankkake	perhaps. I keep the last update log but not the previous ones. that's why there's a cache but it can't update properly because of the delay of posts appearing in the feed
04:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.18999833 = 1.14 BTC [+] {3}
04:23	mircea_popescu	aha. aite.
04:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.19 = 1.33 BTC [+] {5}
04:27	mircea_popescu	;;seen pierre_rochard
04:27	gribble	pierre_rochard was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 9 hours, 27 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <Pierre_Rochard> mircea_popescu: ah, well I’ll myself out then
04:27	mircea_popescu	check it out, dood srsly got butthurt.
04:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 68 @ 0.19230146 = 13.0765 BTC [+] {5}
04:30	BingoBoingo	What over?
04:30	cazalla	don't copy that floppy?
04:31	BingoBoingo	Ah
04:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19925 @ 0.00081199 = 16.1789 BTC [+]
04:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 23 @ 0.20048694 = 4.6112 BTC [+] {13}
04:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.205 = 1.025 BTC [+]
04:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.205 = 1.435 BTC [+] {2}
04:41	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00080972 = 22.3888 BTC [-] {3}
04:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 258 @ 0.00196206 = 0.5062 BTC [+] {2}
05:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.21387198 = 5.3468 BTC [+] {5}
05:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.22 = 0.88 BTC [+]
05:06	punkman	http://mainichi.jp/english/english/features/news/20140726p2a00m0na014000c.html
05:06	assbot	Steel mill worker reveals blocking view of U.S. aircraft on day of Nagasaki atomic bombing -
05:16	BingoBoingo	punkman: Interesting
05:21	punkman	and for that day the gasenwagen comes: "A dry powder fire extinguisher is said to be a good improvised system for production of aerosol effective even in far infrared."
05:25	BingoBoingo	http://t.co/PaSE9njT1X
05:25	assbot	How to take over the computer of any Java (or Clojure or Scala) developer - Ontoillogical
05:29	pankkake	many language-specific package managers don't check anything either
05:30	jurov	what kind of fire extinguisher? not CO2, imo
05:30	jurov	ah dry powder
05:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.22664704 = 3.853 BTC [+] {6}
05:33	BingoBoingo	http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/28/your-craft-whiskey-is-probably-from-a-factory-distillery-in-indiana.html
05:33	assbot	Your Craft Whiskey Is Probably From a Factory Distillery in Indiana - The Daily Beast
05:35	punkman	heh "whiskey aged longer than a distillery has been in business is one of the telltale signs that the “distiller” is actually just bottling someone else’s product."
05:38	BingoBoingo	I'm actually wondering now about how one just bulk purchase's that rye for personal consumption
05:41	punkman	family of friend buys 1000L of wine every year and it just about lasts until the next time
05:42	BingoBoingo	Lulz -> The prize for the most upfront bottler has to go to Blaum Bros. of Galena, Illinois, which market Knotter—read “not our”—Bourbon with the transparent admission “We didn’t distill this bourbon. Nope, not a drop.”
05:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.23352499 = 2.8023 BTC [+] {3}
05:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 29 @ 0.23999655 = 6.9599 BTC [+] {2}
05:46	mircea_popescu	lulzy java
05:53	BingoBoingo	;;google site:trilema.com spam
05:53	gribble	Effectual spam filtering for WordPress pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/effectual-spam-filtering-for-wordpress>; Spam and malware, let's be cool together. pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/spam-and-malware-lets-be-cool-together>; And another one bites the dust : bitmarket.eu pe Trilema - Un blog ...: <http://trilema.com/2012/and-another-one-bites- (1 more message)
05:54	punkman	http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/07/28/online-tool-for-young-bankers-raises-1-million-in-funding/
05:58	mircea_popescu	ahaha.
05:58	mircea_popescu	1mn to "share and collaborate" without needing to email excel anymore ?
05:58	dub	with scotch its not uncommon for old stock to be sold with a distillery
05:59	mircea_popescu	anyway, that's all the excitement i can take in one day. later assetteers/
05:59	dub	uh
06:00	dub	assetteers sounds like part of a porno name
06:00	punkman	dub, if you have old stock you probably don't need to come up with shit like "al capone's favourite hooch"
06:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32500 @ 0.0008065 = 26.2113 BTC [-] {2}
06:01	dub	yes well, what you are talking about is not even whisky
06:01	BingoBoingo	dub: Well, with scotch selling whisky from distillery to distillery (or simply to blenders) is rather standard
06:02	BingoBoingo	!up CheckDavid
06:02	BingoBoingo	!up belcher
06:03	BingoBoingo	!up pogakuofie
06:05	pogakuofie	hi
06:05	pogakuofie	thanks dde
06:06	punkman	what happens when Diageo buys the old family distillery? does the product change or do they make sure it doesn't?
06:06	BingoBoingo	punkman: It's hard to say. It seems the article mentioned one case where the switched to outsourcing it.
06:07	dub	depends what they buy it for, vast majority of single malt ends up in blends
06:07	penguirker	New blog post: http://theumlaut.com/2014/07/29/a-gentle-introduction-to-neoreaction-for-libertarians/
06:07	dub	ie, johnny red
06:08	punkman	well say Lagavulin, I wonder, was it better before Diageo bought it?
06:09	pankkake	"Their freakish messages seem almost tailored to demand attention in our outrage-driven world of social media signaling." eheh. outrage-driven is clearly the right qualifier
06:10	dub	probably the same or better, they would look to preserve the distinctive brand but have a lot more stock to choose from
06:14	dub	well no, in that case it wont have changed
06:19	BingoBoingo	!up wyrdmantis
06:20	BingoBoingo	Hello wyrdmantis
06:20	wyrdmantis	hello
06:20	wyrdmantis	i'm studying the wiki :9
06:20	BingoBoingo	Cool
06:22	punkman	http://cdn.foodbeast.com.s3.amazonaws.com/content/uploads/2013/09/barrel-of-whiskey.jpg < $10k for a barrel, what a scam
06:33	pogakuofie	i can get a thing the article what is it abt??
06:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 33 @ 0.24439392 = 8.065 BTC [+] {5}
06:37	fluffypony	lolwut
06:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 150 @ 0.00409999 = 0.615 BTC [-] {2}
06:40	punkman	http://www.wired.com/2014/07/hacking-google-maps/
06:40	assbot	How Google Map Hackers Can Destroy a Business at Will | Business | WIRED
06:40	punkman	"Anyone Googling Serbian Crown, or plugging it into Google Maps, was told incorrectly that the restaurant was closed on the weekends"
06:42	punkman	I guess if that's all it takes to run you out of business, you were out of business already
06:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 346 @ 0.00281501 = 0.974 BTC [-]
06:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 563 @ 0.00280089 = 1.5769 BTC [-] {7}
06:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.25983333 = 2.3385 BTC [+] {3}
06:47	punkman	http://valleywag.gawker.com/how-a-hacker-intercepted-fbi-and-secret-service-calls-w-1531334747
06:47	assbot	How a Hacker Intercepted FBI and Secret Service Calls With Google Maps
06:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.263 = 1.315 BTC [+]
06:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.26613124 = 4.2581 BTC [+] {4}
06:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 450 @ 0.0027438 = 1.2347 BTC [-] {5}
06:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.27289999 = 0.5458 BTC [+]
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07:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 279 @ 0.0027 = 0.7533 BTC [-] {3}
07:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2000 @ 0.0026219 = 5.2438 BTC [-] {5}
07:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 450 @ 0.0026164 = 1.1774 BTC [-] {6}
07:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.29389454 = 11.7558 BTC [+] {10}
07:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 343 @ 0.00253704 = 0.8702 BTC [+] {14}
07:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13849 @ 0.00080661 = 11.1707 BTC [+]
07:30	chetty	google is down?
07:31	dub	no
07:32	fluffypony	!isup google.com
07:32	fluffypony	!isitdown google.com
07:32	kakobrekla	optimist
07:32	fluffypony	ffs.
07:32	kakobrekla	;;isitdown google.com
07:32	gribble	google.com is up
07:32	fluffypony	gribble needs a single command prefix
07:32	fluffypony	I can never remember whether it's ! or ,, or ;; for a particular command
07:32	kakobrekla	you were trying to call assbot
07:33	kakobrekla	! assbot ;; gribble
07:33	kakobrekla	not so hard.
07:33	fluffypony	nope - for some commands gribble *only* responds to ,,
07:33	fluffypony	if you try ;;bg in -otc it won't work, but ,,bg will
07:33	kakobrekla	yeah but otc is retarded
07:33	fluffypony	lol
07:33	kakobrekla	;;later tell fluffypony see it works
07:33	gribble	The operation succeeded.
07:33	fluffypony	!8ball is otc retarded?
07:34	fluffypony	;;8ball is otc retarded?
07:34	gribble	Unlikely.
07:34	fluffypony	sorry kakobrekla, gribble disagrees
07:34	chetty	odd I get error pages for google.com.ar
07:34	fluffypony	works for me
07:34	fluffypony	Buscar con Google!
07:35	chetty	ah its back now, that was wierd dont think I ever saw google down before
07:35	fluffypony	"Me siento con suerte" sounds like the title of a poem, doesn't have the same ring to it as "I'm feeling lucky"
07:35	kakobrekla	;;8ball is otc retarded?
07:35	gribble	No.
07:35	kakobrekla	fpt
07:35	kakobrekla	lies
07:36	kakobrekla	never trust a robot
07:36	chetty	indeed, you never know who wrote the program that runs that robot
07:41	fluffypony	in this case we do
07:41	fluffypony	plus the source is on github
07:41	fluffypony	so we know who to blame :-op
07:41	kakobrekla	how do you know its those sources that run gribble
07:44	kakobrekla	speaking of robots n shit, anyone saw transcendence, this new flick?
07:44	chetty	kakobrekla, +1
07:54	kakobrekla	!up pogakuofie
07:55	chetty	dang I lost my own voice when I wasnt looking :P
07:55	kakobrekla	lol
07:56	pogakuofie	oko
07:56	pogakuofie	thank
07:57	pogakuofie	anyone can help with run the gnupg on windows
07:57	pogakuofie	??
07:57	chetty	pogakuofie, needs some help with gen keys on windows
07:58	fluffypony	kakobrekla: yes - it was lame
07:58	kakobrekla	did you ask keybase pogakuofie ?
07:58	pogakuofie	yea chett
07:58	pogakuofie	keybase??
07:59	pogakuofie	who or what is that
08:01	kakobrekla	;;google gpg4win
08:01	gribble	Gpg4win - Secure email and file encryption with GnuPG for Windows: <http://www.gpg4win.org/>; Gpg4win - Download Gpg4win: <http://www.gpg4win.org/download.html>; Gpg4win - About Gpg4win: <http://www.gpg4win.org/about.html>
08:01	kakobrekla	use that.
08:02	pogakuofie	ok
08:05	kakobrekla	!up Ukyo
08:06	kakobrekla	why are you such a dick and just tell em you wont pay?
08:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00080459 = 18.5056 BTC [-]
08:06	fluffypony	idle for 17 hours
08:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 9897 @ 0.0008 = 7.9176 BTC [+]
08:09	chetty	http://news.yahoo.com/default-looming-argentina-urges-calm-185650517.html
08:09	assbot	With new default looming, Argentina urges calm - Yahoo News
08:10	chetty	!up pogakuofie
08:11	pogakuofie	i have downloaded the kleopatra
08:11	pogakuofie	what do i do now
08:11	pogakuofie	???
08:11	pogakuofie	nayone??
08:11	pogakuofie	anyone?
08:11	kakobrekla	!down pogakuofie
08:12	kakobrekla	cut down on the speed.
08:14	pankkake	read the wikis
08:21	punkman	reading is hard, let's go shopping
08:21	punkman	I mean, moiety should make a video tutorial
08:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.285 = 1.425 BTC [-]
08:22	punkman	oh there it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYJ-GdErX1c
08:22	assbot	Bitcoin-OTC Setup Guide for Windows - YouTube
08:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 300 @ 0.00286068 = 0.8582 BTC [-] {3}
08:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.29 = 0.58 BTC [+]
08:37		Bet placed: 1.34248108 BTC for No on "Bitcoin difficulty >= 72B on or before Christmas" http://bitbet.us/bet/990/ Odds: 30(Y):70(N) by coin, 30(Y):70(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.7332013 BTC. Current weight: 83,345.
08:41	kakobrekla	lol.
08:41	kakobrekla	!up eregister
08:41	kakobrekla	progress ?
08:46	fluffypony	hah hah
08:46	fluffypony	I'm nearly in tears
08:47	eregister	yes
08:51	eregister	get a liitle problem
08:51	eregister	after the decryption where did he get the information he pasted to get verified
08:51	eregister	??
08:59	pankkake	you should send the line to gribble, in private or in a public chan
08:59	pankkake	but I'm not sure it's your question
08:59	eregister	i sent it to gribble
09:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.288 = 0.864 BTC [-]
09:00	eregister	and had to decrypt
09:00	eregister	some info
09:00	eregister	i did but dont know were to get the key to send back to get auth
09:00	pankkake	you have to decrypt it using GPG
09:01	eregister	yea i did
09:01	pankkake	then you only have to paste it back to gribble
09:01	eregister	then were do i get what i have to send back to get verified
09:01	eregister	??
09:01	eregister	i did decrypt
09:01	eregister	but did not get any info
09:01	pankkake	you got a random string?
09:02	eregister	but some how in the video he got some info and pasted back
09:02	eregister	can you pls help
09:02	eregister	no
09:02	eregister	no radom string after a decrypted
09:02	pankkake	what did you get? you can paste it publicly
09:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.288 = 0.864 BTC [-]
09:03	eregister	it said no signatures are found
09:05	pankkake	I think you tried the wrong feature; you should decrypt, not verify
09:05	chetty	be sure you copy all including the dashes to decrypt
09:05	eregister	ok will try again
09:06	kakobrekla	or just paste the private key and someone here will do it for you.
09:06	eregister	is there anyother gpg add i can use
09:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.2899375 = 2.3195 BTC [+] {2}
09:06	eregister	instead or gpg.mit.edu
09:06	eregister	??
09:07	pankkake	I don't understand the question, but you should use pool.sks-keyservers.net
09:07	fluffypony	lol Bollywood: http://imgur.com/a/6EMBE
09:07	assbot	Bollywood - Imgur
09:09	fluffypony	also: http://sel4.systems
09:09	assbot	Home | seL4
09:15	pankkake	!up eregister
09:16	eregister	what port pls
09:16	eregister	and http?
09:16	pankkake	default port and settings
09:16	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.0008038 = 10.3288 BTC [-]
09:16	eregister	ok
09:19		Bet placed: 8 BTC for No on "Bitcoin over $1000 before September" http://bitbet.us/bet/866/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 30(Y):70(N) by weight. Total bet: 37.00588622 BTC. Current weight: 30,547.
09:24	punkman	eww https://developers.google.com/startups/
09:24	assbot	Startup Launch
09:33	eregister	i decryted and got this freenode:#bitcoin-otc:2ec9bdb25df6b89034d729720b12c05bb386c69f46338b41b8538c6b
09:33	eregister	what do i do with it??
09:35	pankkake	great, now you say ;;gpg everify <yourstring>
09:35	eregister	ok
09:35	pankkake	either here or in private to gribble
09:35	eregister	says incorrect otp
09:36	eregister	incorrect one time password
09:36	*	kakobrekla thinks that by now pankkake earned all eregisters btc
09:39	pankkake	perhaps because you took too much time or changed your nick
09:39	pankkake	i.e. try again from the start
09:40	eregister	ok
09:42	asciilifeform	fluffypony: re: L4 (which is pretty old news in fact) and 'proof-carrying code' in general: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390&cpage=1#comment-8471
09:42	assbot	Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits.
09:43	jurov	imo miety could make video for cunt generation how to do the registration and gpg stuff under windows
09:43	jurov	or maybe there is one already
09:45	asciilifeform	fluffypony: let's also remember that 'general dynamics' is a premier USG brand.
09:45	*	asciilifeform waits for the inevitable 'but it's open source!'
09:47	kakobrekla	http://media.tumblr.com/a20bb19e108cdb186e59d870060f9532/tumblr_inline_n9gld3qBjC1rre22k.jpg
09:48	trixisowned	did you guys see
09:48	kakobrekla	no.
09:48	asciilifeform	kakobrekla: 'find some meat!'
09:48	trixisowned	“Purchaser understands, that while the Ethereum Team will make reasonable efforts to complete the Ethereum software, it is possible that an official completed version of the Ethereum Platform may not be released and there may never be an operational Ethereum Platform.”
09:48	pankkake	cunt generation?
09:48	trixisowned	they removed this line
09:48	trixisowned	from the TOS
09:48	kakobrekla	asciilifeform the real gribble!
09:48	trixisowned	oops
09:48	trixisowned	i pasted wrong damn thing
09:48	trixisowned	sorry
09:48	trixisowned	“We reserve the right to use up to 5000 BTC from the pre-sale while the pre-sale is running in order to speed up development. We may or may not take this option depending on community response; if done at all it will be done transparently.”
09:48	trixisowned	this is removed
09:48	trixisowned	completely
09:49	trixisowned	from the TOS
09:49	trixisowned	lol.
09:49	jurov	!s "cunt generation"
09:49	assbot	1 results for '"cunt generation"' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%22cunt+generation%22
09:49	jurov	!s unt generation
09:49	assbot	0 results for 'unt generation' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=unt+generation
09:49	jurov	!s cunt generation
09:49	assbot	2 results for 'cunt generation' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=cunt+generation
09:49	pankkake	I suppose the ToS was never signed?
09:49	kakobrekla	sign the tos? its not like it means anything!
09:50	jurov	pankkake: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2014#774344
09:50	assbot	#bitcoin-assets log
09:50	pankkake	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2013#415826 <= sell it to merzbow
09:50	assbot	#bitcoin-assets log
09:51	jurov	kakobrekla: why the search failed? does it have profanity filter?
09:51	jurov	oh it actually worked
09:52	jurov	my brain is somehow too jumpy lately :/
09:53	kakobrekla	yeah, get one of those asciilifeform wave modulator phaser laser ion electrifying brain fixer
09:54	asciilifeform	but if you do, don't screw up the polarity...
09:54	kakobrekla	preorders open yet?
09:54	asciilifeform	lol
09:59	ThickAsThieves	<+trixisowned> this is removed //// it was a pretty retarded line to have in there
09:59	trixisowned	lol.
10:01	ThickAsThieves	probly removed cuz they wanna use whatever the fuck amount whenever the fuck
10:01	trixisowned	funny thing is
10:01	trixisowned	they forgot
10:01	trixisowned	to remove it from their blogs
10:01	ThickAsThieves	internet gets you every time
10:01	trixisowned	https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/07/22/launching-the-ether-sale/
10:02	assbot	ethereum blog | Launching the Ether Sale
10:02	trixisowned	http://i.imgur.com/5f0lt0m.png
10:02	trixisowned	if they do remove it
10:02	trixisowned	lol.
10:02	trixisowned	im gonna lol even more~
10:02	ThickAsThieves	i dont understand why the line was ever there though really
10:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00080459 = 3.7816 BTC [+]
10:09	kakobrekla	to give out the impression someone is overlooking
10:09	ThickAsThieves	“People can’t really afford to hold bitcoin for very long. You’ve got to pay rent at the end of the month in euros or dollars, you may even at this time convince your landlord to pay rent using the bitcoin network, but at at the same time, you may have market action that happens during those 15 days that means you can’t cover that anymore.”
10:09	ThickAsThieves	~LOCK from Coinapult
10:10	ThickAsThieves	https://coinapult.com/locks/info
10:10	assbot	Coinapult
10:11	kakobrekla	for people who cant handle buy and sell button ?
10:11	kakobrekla	dunno
10:14	ThickAsThieves	for people-who-only-have-enuf-btc-to-pay-1-month-of-rent-yet-want-to-live-on-btc
10:22	kakobrekla	overly stupid in both cases.
10:26	ThickAsThieves	it's erik's thing right?
10:28	ThickAsThieves	http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonycuthbertson/2014/07/29/cryptokids-altcoins-apps-and-authors-aim-to-bring-bitcoin-to-children/?
10:28	assbot	CryptoKids: Altcoins, Apps And Authors Aim To Bring Bitcoin To Children - Forbes
10:29	ThickAsThieves	'Describing themselves somewhat tweely as “tech tweenpreneurs”, JuJu, GiGi and JoJo have already authored more than 20 technology-related books aimed at children their own age. Now they have turned their focus on cryptocurrency through their Bitkidz website – the first ever bitcoin social media site for children'
10:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00080619 = 20.1548 BTC [+] {3}
10:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.298 = 0.596 BTC [+]
10:59	mike_c	should businesses be in the wot?
11:01	ThickAsThieves	i brought this up in the past
11:01	ThickAsThieves	my result is we need a new wot
11:02	Blazedout419	I think they should be
11:02	Blazedout419	or a seperate WOT for business...something
11:02	mike_c	!s from:ThickAsThieves "new wot"
11:02	assbot	0 results for 'from:ThickAsThieves "new wot"' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3AThickAsThieves+%22new+wot%22
11:02	ThickAsThieves	!s better wot
11:02	assbot	13 results for 'better wot' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=better+wot
11:02	ThickAsThieves	i have a whole 20% done article on it
11:02	ThickAsThieves	...
11:03	ThickAsThieves	!s decentralized wot
11:03	assbot	4 results for 'decentralized wot' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=decentralized+wot
11:03	mike_c	why new wot? what's wrong with the existing one?
11:03	ThickAsThieves	not decentralized
11:03	mike_c	ok, but that's separate from having a business account
11:03	ThickAsThieves	need support for more fields
11:03	Blazedout419	it does depend on nano's trust
11:03	ThickAsThieves	integration with other systems/wots
11:03	chetty	businesses are in the end people, the people that run them
11:04	rithm	;;rate tat -1 mutiny
11:04	Blazedout419	how do you combat ratings trolls?
11:04	gribble	Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
11:04	ThickAsThieves	the issue i dont like about adding businesses is the yelp phenomenon
11:04	ThickAsThieves	where itll be skewed to bad reviews
11:04	ThickAsThieves	you see,
11:04	mike_c	WoT is all about gettrust, not getrating
11:04	danielpbarron	Blazedout419, ignore them?
11:04	ThickAsThieves	the nature of yelp is negativity
11:04	ThickAsThieves	and WoT is positivity
11:04	ThickAsThieves	would hate to ruin that
11:05	Blazedout419	for a business bad ratings can hurt more than for a regular user
11:05	ThickAsThieves	it's certainly a topic that could use more discourse and work \
11:05	ThickAsThieves	imo at least
11:05	ThickAsThieves	something like turn namecoin in a wot
11:05	ThickAsThieves	more fields
11:05	Blazedout419	for example in OTC some scammers will make new accts over and over just to crush someones wot score
11:06	danielpbarron	if your "business" is harmed by the ratings of trolls, your business was probably going poorly anyway
11:06	ThickAsThieves	total identity system
11:06	ThickAsThieves	with voluntary amounts of data
11:06	danielpbarron	Blazedout419, they can't crush your L2..
11:06	ThickAsThieves	i was about to say, but how does a business claim it's listing?
11:06	ThickAsThieves	but
11:06	ThickAsThieves	maybe they shouldnt be allowed
11:07	Blazedout419	http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=tim-tams <-- legit guy that pissed off 1 scammer
11:07	assbot	Rating Details for User 'tim-tams'
11:07	Blazedout419	danielpbarron true, but many only look at L1 and ratings
11:07	Blazedout419	most do not bother to look at L2
11:07	Blazedout419	!up BigBitz
11:07	danielpbarron	Blazedout419, looks fine from my point of view: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=danielpbarron&dest=tim-tams
11:07	assbot	#bitcoin-otc Web of Trust - Trust graph
11:07	mike_c	nanotube: why show "total points" on rating page? i thought that was supposed to be a meaningless number.
11:08	chetty	failure to do your DD is no excuse
11:08	danielpbarron	Blazedout419, most are idiots; why should they be the rule instead of the exception?
11:08	BigBitz	;;gettrust Blazedout419
11:08	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask Blazedout419!~Rogue@76-243-42-60.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user BigBitz to user Blazedout419: Level 1: 8, Level 2: 73 via 49 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BigBitz&dest=Blazedout419 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Blazedout419 | Rated since: Sat May 18 17:05:13 2013
11:08	ThickAsThieves	i dont have an issue with total points
11:08	BigBitz	looks fine.
11:08	BigBitz	points aren't prizes.
11:08	ThickAsThieves	but there should also be weighted points
11:08	nanotube	mike_c: grandfathered in from the early days. :)
11:08	Blazedout419	not me BigBitz talking about rtings abuse and the WOT
11:08	mike_c	there is weighted points. it's gettrust
11:08	BigBitz	Blazedout419 look at my ratings.
11:08	BigBitz	I have about 8-10 negative 10s.
11:08	Blazedout419	how 1 mad person can wreck a total score...and most are too dumb to notice it
11:08	BigBitz	sucks... but not many look at it.
11:09	ThickAsThieves	well 10 points from mp is not the same as from ninjashogun
11:09	ThickAsThieves	and that could be somewhat quantified
11:09	danielpbarron	ThickAsThieves, the points already *are* weighted; a user in your L1 can only pass along as much rating to someone's L2 score as you have given them
11:09	BigBitz	10 points from ninjashogun is a gift.
11:09	mike_c	it is quantified! gettrust uses your edge weights as weighting.
11:09	ThickAsThieves	ah
11:09	danielpbarron	Blazedout419, the total score is practically meaningless
11:09	BigBitz	;;ratingsystem getrating BigBitz
11:09	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User BigBitz, rated since Fri Apr 26 11:13:53 2013. Cumulative rating 430, from 213 total ratings. Received ratings: 202 positive, 11 negative. Sent ratings: 186 positive, 59 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BigBitz
11:09	BigBitz	w00t.
11:09	BigBitz	11 negative all from scammers.
11:10	Blazedout419	I just think for a business the scores matter more
11:10	danielpbarron	if you rate someone +5, and they rate someone else +10, only up to +5 will get passed along to the L2
11:11	ThickAsThieves	one problem i have for my vision of a decentralized wot, is when i simulate it in my end, it turns into a sort of international passport system over time and could totally remove anonymity from so many areas of life, and well, is that what we really want?
11:11	ThickAsThieves	end=head
11:11	danielpbarron	the one potential problem I see happening with nanotube's WoT, is that a small majority can prevent a user from even giving ratings..
11:11	Blazedout419	yes
11:11	Blazedout419	that is an issue
11:11	danielpbarron	but that's something he can easily remove without changing how the WoT works
11:12	danielpbarron	i think all users should be able to give ratings; doesn't matter if they are trolls or scammers
11:12	Blazedout419	nano is very fair though so it has not been an issue from what I have seen
11:12	rithm	<danielpbarron> +i think all users should be able to give ratings; doesn't matter if they are trolls or scammers
11:12	rithm	no.
11:12	danielpbarron	i'm on the verge of not being able to rate anymore because of idiots like you ( Blazedout419 ) in -otc
11:13	mike_c	;;ratingsystem getrating danielpbarron
11:13	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask danielpbarron!~dpb@c-71-232-150-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net . User danielpbarron, rated since Thu Mar 21 17:26:04 2013. Cumulative rating 1, from 28 total ratings. Received ratings: 21 positive, 7 negative. Sent ratings: 78 positive, 18 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=danielpbarron
11:13	rithm	where does this everyone has a voice mentality come from?
11:13	Blazedout419	well danielpbarron not going to beat the dead horse here, but your ratings are a joke
11:13	rithm	^
11:13	Blazedout419	we will agree to disagree
11:13	rithm	^^
11:13	danielpbarron	no we will not; you may..
11:13	ThickAsThieves	lol
11:14	Blazedout419	that is fine
11:14	chetty	<rithm> where does this everyone has a voice mentality come from?//equality notions
11:14	mike_c	you did let those two idiots talk in here yesterday daniel..
11:14	rithm	not every person, bot, or program gets to leave some ratings trail
11:14	rithm	i can walk into the NYSE and call people idiots
11:14	rithm	*can't
11:14	danielpbarron	mike_c, yeh; that was my bad; I know them IRL; lesson learned there..
11:14	rithm	no one will document that and take it seriously
11:14	rithm	why would you want to initiate it here
11:14	BigBitz	get out rithm!
11:14	BigBitz	no idiots!
11:14	BigBitz	:D
11:15	BigBitz	NYSE RIP :(
11:15	danielpbarron	anyway; the WoT isn't harmed by scammers or trolls; it harms nothing to let anyone give a rating
11:15	rithm	that's stupidiest thing i've ever heard come from this channel
11:15	rithm	and i've heard a lot of stupid shit
11:15	rithm	but letting joe schmoe leave ratings for people who've been around the block for x years is moronic
11:15	Blazedout419	agreed
11:15	danielpbarron	scammers aren't in my L1; I don't care what ratings they give..
11:16	danielpbarron	rithm, joe schmoe isn't in my L1.. what's the problem??
11:16	mike_c	rithm: but it's only harmful if 'total points' is a thing. joe schmoe isn't going to change thhe gettrust between you and others.
11:16	danielpbarron	^ ++
11:16	rithm	so this is a L1/L2 difference of opinions
11:16	danielpbarron	yes and your opinion is incorrect
11:17	rithm	so in theory i agree with you because it's already happened to me and no fucks were given
11:17	rithm	am i identified
11:17	rithm	;;ident
11:17	gribble	CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'rithm', with hostmask 'rithm!~rithm@unaffiliated/rithm', is identified as user 'jcpham', with GPG key id C71FB5ED6ACE04AF, key fingerprint F7299BD73879E866613EAB24C71FB5ED6ACE04AF, and bitcoin address 157CrafPv8oGC7f5vVFuLnE1BgDYUND4hq
11:17	fluffypony	BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kDK0wlEJvU
11:17	assbot	Elementary School Flop - YouTube
11:17	rithm	lots of joe schmoes tagged me
11:18	rithm	;;ratingsystem getrating jcpham
11:18	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask rithm!~rithm@unaffiliated/rithm . CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. User jcpham, rated since Fri Nov 11 12:35:04 2011. Cumulative rating 147, from 101 total ratings. Received ratings: 95 positive, 6 negative. Sent ratings: 101 positive, 21 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jcpham
11:19	rithm	so my cumulative is -70 because of bullshit joe schmoes with sand in their vagina
11:19	rithm	but your point is valid, it makes no difference
11:19	mike_c	it says cum 147..
11:20	danielpbarron	well, it sorta does make a difference at the moment, because nanotube won't let you even give a rating if your score goes negative (i think)
11:20	rithm	yes and it's -70 because of 7 shill accounts
11:20	rithm	and if that person made 7 more shill accounts
11:20	danielpbarron	well nanotube should make it so you can always give ratings, or maybe base it on an L2 thing like assbot does
11:20	jurov	ThickAsThieves> one problem i have... etc..<< you seem to dream about some opaque oracle that will issue trustable rating info for anonymous identities
11:20	mike_c	danielpbarron: it is. l2 to nanotube
11:21	rithm	one entity can complete ruin a cumulative rating in your "free for all" system
11:21	danielpbarron	oh; then nevermind
11:21	rithm	i myself may or maynot have 14 shill accounts for ratings offsets
11:21	rithm	checks and balances
11:22	punkman	rithm, so how would you stop the shills?
11:22	Blazedout419	;;gettrust nanotube jcpham
11:22	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask rithm!~rithm@unaffiliated/rithm. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user nanotube to user jcpham: Level 1: 3, Level 2: 57 via 34 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nanotube&dest=jcpham | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jcpham | Rated since: Fri Nov 11 12:35:04 2011
11:22	rithm	idenitity verification, not allow multiple accounts of some sort is the only solution i know of
11:22	rithm	but how do you implement that
11:22	ThickAsThieves	jurov i dont understand what you said, probably because you misunderstood what i said
11:22	Blazedout419	It would be hard to shut him up :)
11:22	danielpbarron	it's already solved; none of your shills are in my L1 (i think)
11:22	rithm	;;gettrust solves it at L2
11:22	gribble	(gettrust [<sourcenick>] <destnick>) -- Get trust paths for <destnick>, starting from <sourcenick>. If <sourcenick> is not supplied, your own nick is used as the source. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Notes_about_gettrust
11:23	jurov	ThickAsThieves i understood it as you dislike the need not to be anonymous for web of trust to work
11:23	ThickAsThieves	no
11:23	artifexd	rithm: not allowing multiple accounts is not possible
11:23	ThickAsThieves	i dislike the extreme which becomes possible with a "better" wot
11:23	ThickAsThieves	like this:
11:24	rithm	i do not have a solution but i think entry into the wot should be guarded
11:24	rithm	i hate to be exclusionary but
11:24	rithm	some people can't behave
11:24	danielpbarron	rithm, it already is gaurded; you need to be in nanotube's L2 to be able to give a rating apparently
11:25	rithm	ha
11:25	ThickAsThieves	Say the WoT is decentralized, supports more fields of data, has full API for integration for things like logging in to facebook or visiting Italy. The stronger and more prevelant the WoT gets, the more likely it is to become a requirement
11:25	ThickAsThieves	now, suppose that requirement come at request of governments
11:25	ThickAsThieves	ot the tentacles of Google Lyf
11:25	ThickAsThieves	or*
11:25	ThickAsThieves	now you can't escape the system
11:25	Blazedout419	;;gettrust nanotube danielpbarron
11:25	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask danielpbarron!~dpb@c-71-232-150-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user nanotube to user danielpbarron: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nanotube&dest=danielpbarron | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=danielpbarron | Rated since: Thu Mar 21 17:26:04 2013
11:25	artifexd	<rithm> some people can't behave << Especially when they are on the internet and feel like there are no repercussions
11:25	danielpbarron	yep, Blazedout419 can silence me right now
11:26	danielpbarron	bump me from a -2 to a -3 and i can't rate anymore :<
11:26	Blazedout419	Like I said I am over it
11:26	nanotube	it has to be <0 to block.
11:26	rithm	right artifexd. i sortof behave here because my peers are watching and i'd hate for someone to think I'm not a person of my word
11:26	rithm	but some people do not have this moral compass
11:26	punkman	;;rate danielpbarron 1 #b-a regular
11:26	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user danielpbarron has been recorded.
11:26	danielpbarron	:D
11:27	jurov	ThickAsThieves: this already happens as rap sheet and various no-fly blacklists, etc.
11:27	ThickAsThieves	sure
11:28	ThickAsThieves	but is that good?
11:28	rithm	this whole WoT thing has gotten complex over time and usage. but I basically am on the mpoe side of the fence and i think these "bitcoin wot's" need to be pay-to-pay
11:28	rithm	*pay-to-play
11:28	rithm	initially i was not
11:28	ThickAsThieves	pay to rate scammers?
11:28	ThickAsThieves	no thanks
11:28	rithm	pay a fee to enter
11:28	ThickAsThieves	so a coin
11:29	rithm	a token of some sort
11:29	danielpbarron	maybe require that all WoT users have a Bitcoin address associated that has a balance of X amount
11:29	ThickAsThieves	like namecoin wot
11:29	punkman	rithm, not enough people for that I think
11:29	rithm	probably not
11:29	punkman	unless you are into circlejerks
11:29	jurov	the solution is to not have one global wot for everything
11:29	ThickAsThieves	i'd donate money to a proper effort to make such things
11:29	rithm	right then we just devolve into some sort of ruling wot class
11:29	kakobrekla	but when bitcoin started, there werent enough people for that as well, just a circlejerk
11:29	rithm	i don't have a solution sorry
11:30	punkman	kakobrekla, so what if you had to pay $500 to download bitcoin.exe then?
11:31	rithm	no one downloads bitcoin.exe
11:31	kakobrekla	punkman 30 btc mpex entry fee was pocket change at some point.
11:31	ThickAsThieves	the only way to make it have a cost is to do it like namecoin
11:31	danielpbarron	you don't have to charge for entry to make it cost prohibitive for scammers; just require they associate with a Bitcoin address that has a positive balance; kinda like a proof-of-stake
11:31	ThickAsThieves	probly...
11:32	rithm	making it cost prohibitive to shill ratings is the key i think
11:32	rithm	back to identity verification
11:32	punkman	rithm, takes a lot of time to build up shill accounts as it is
11:32	ThickAsThieves	it needs to be more than entry fee
11:32	ThickAsThieves	must be recurring
11:32	artifexd	There was an anti-sockpuppet scheme that revolved around committing bitcoin for a certain amount of time. I'm having trouble finding the details right now.
11:33	rithm	does it punkman? because you used to be able to rate one with another
11:33	rithm	then i created 12 more with btc addresses
11:33	rithm	and rated all those
11:33	rithm	maybe i've just seen it done so much and all the exploits and loopholes are closed now
11:34	punkman	still need to get first account in nanotube's L2, then if you rate a dozen, you are kinda obvious
11:34	danielpbarron	well each account would need to have a unique address associated with it; you can't share an address between acounts.. that would defeat the purpose
11:35	rithm	this being in nano's L2 is new
11:35	rithm	or it is news to me
11:35	punkman	it's still perfectly possible, but scammers don't usually have long attention spans
11:35	Blazedout419	new users can not rate now unless they have a rating
11:36	artifexd	nanotube: Can you confirm that one has to be in your L2 in order to rate others?
11:36	BigBitz	No.
11:36	BigBitz	That's wrong.
11:36	rithm	i thought it was
11:36	BigBitz	You don't /have/ to be in nano L2 to rate.
11:36	BigBitz	You can STOP people by negrating if nano is in your L1 though.
11:36	rithm	if you are smart you can build your own shill rating army
11:36	Blazedout419	you have to have a rating to rate?
11:37	rithm	idk i'm just a poor pawn.
11:37	rithm	let the ops figure it out
11:37	danielpbarron	in order to build up such an army, you'd have to convince other users to rate them; otherwise they all get cut off with your main account
11:37	Blazedout419	if nano's L2 is negative you can not rate
11:37	rithm	oic
11:37	rithm	so if nanotube burns you
11:37	punkman	right "Only people who already have a trust rating in the system can rate other users. "
11:37	rithm	your rating privileges are revoked
11:37	rithm	that makes sense
11:37	Blazedout419	yes
11:37	danielpbarron	not just nanotube; if anyone in his L2 burns you
11:38	rithm	+1
11:38	Blazedout419	correct
11:38	rithm	good solution to a problem
11:38	danielpbarron	err, L1*
11:38	Blazedout419	his L1 users hurt if they neg you
11:38	rithm	his L1 is pretty tight tho iirc
11:38	danielpbarron	idk, it has Blazedout419 in it :p
11:38	Blazedout419	yes...he does not toss rating around
11:38	rithm	those would be good "decision makers"
11:39	nanotube	if you have l1+l2 from me that is <0, you cannot rate.
11:39	nanotube	this is not new, it's been in effect for at least a year now
11:39	rithm	bam
11:39	nanotube	probably two
11:39	mike_c	;;gettrust nanotube mike_c
11:39	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask mike_c!~mike_c@unaffiliated/mike-c/x-9105598. Trust relationship from user nanotube to user mike_c: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 6 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nanotube&dest=mike_c | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mike_c | Rated since: Sun Nov 24 21:18:22 2013
11:39	rithm	i need to get in on that op channel with the special topic
11:39	rithm	where this stuff is written down
11:39	mike_c	in the logs
11:40	nanotube	rithm: code is foss :D
11:41	rithm	heh /me runs off to github
11:42	nanotube	;;whatis #bitcoin-otc code
11:42	gribble	Source code to gribble's bitcoin-related plugins: https://github.com/nanotube/supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor
11:44	chetty	Dolar Paralelo: $12,90// looks like market here is leaning towards argentina default
11:47	ThickAsThieves	anyone here ever dealt with Moodle?
11:49	ThickAsThieves	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2c1nrp/psa_dont_change_the_new_blockchain_ios_wallet/
11:49	assbot	PSA: Don't change the new Blockchain iOS wallet denomination to "Bits". When you click Bitpay/Coinbase payment links it will send the wrong amount of BTC to the payment address. : Bitcoin
11:49	ThickAsThieves	toldya bits was stupid!
11:51	ben_vulpes	<mircea_popescu> benkay: fuck all of my different clipboards <<< aaaahahahaahah. penisfooted wolf, srsly ? << you're not familiar with the dickwolves incident?
11:51	ben_vulpes	lulzfarm and outrage brigade
12:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.69615380 BTC to 12`639 shares, 13420 satoshi per share
12:01	thestringpuller	ben_vulpes: is copying mircea_popescu
12:01	thestringpuller	SMH
12:01	thestringpuller	;;gettrust nanotube thestringpuller
12:01	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user nanotube to user thestringpuller: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nanotube&dest=thestringpuller | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thestringpuller | Rated since: Mon Oct 15 18:46:37 2012
12:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 16.28383008 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1416 satoshi per share
12:03	mike_c	underscores are the new rage
12:05	thestringpuller	i thought WoL was the new rage?
12:05	mike_c	war_of_life
12:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HASH] 43 @ 0.022 = 0.946 BTC {3}
12:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HASH] 50 @ 0.022 = 1.1 BTC
12:17	chetty	http://money.cnn.com/2014/07/29/investing/investing-google-search-terms/index.html
12:17	assbot	Stocks get no search love on Google - Jul. 29, 2014
12:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HASH] 58 @ 0.022 = 1.276 BTC {3}
12:26	pankkake	re iOS blockchain wallet, it's just a feature, it's the Apple price
12:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 370 @ 0.00272864 = 1.0096 BTC [-] {9}
12:35	kakobrekla	>In fact, there are more searches now for crowdfunding platform Kickstarter than "buy a stock," according to the Google Trends data researched by ConvergEx.
12:37	kakobrekla	turn the chumpatron to 11.
12:46	chetty	ICE press release refers to "illegal aliens" 11 times: http://www.ice.gov/news/releases/1407/140716houston.htm Call the language police!
12:46	assbot	4 Houston residents charged with employing illegal aliens
12:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.00270026 = 0.5401 BTC [-] {3}
12:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27050 @ 0.00080301 = 21.7214 BTC [-]
13:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ROCK] [PAID] 4.55446000 BTC to 455`446 shares, 1000 satoshi per share
13:02	mike_c	!t h rock
13:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK:ROCK] 1D: 0.00075002 / 0.0008005 / 0.00085104 (30834 shares, 24.68248696 BTC), 7D: 0.00069600 / 0.00080344 / 0.00085104 (33170 shares, 26.65020681 BTC), 30D: 0.00049994 / 0.00073211 / 0.00099999 (49376 shares, 36.14869395 BTC)
13:03	mike_c	;;calc 1000 * 12 / (100000000 * 0.00075)
13:03	gribble	0.16
13:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 556 @ 0.00267264 = 1.486 BTC [-] {8}
13:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 101 @ 0.01516446 = 1.5316 BTC [+] {3}
13:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 48 @ 0.01519773 = 0.7295 BTC [+] {3}
13:25	mircea_popescu	;;ticker
13:25	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 580.02, Best ask: 582.13, Bid-ask spread: 2.11000, Last trade: 580.01, 24 hour volume: 6002.33350681, 24 hour low: 578.0, 24 hour high: 596.0, 24 hour vwap: 585.523552373
13:25	kakobrekla	http://shrani.si/f/2v/MM/29TRZj2T/probing.png
13:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 800 @ 0.00264961 = 2.1197 BTC [-] {3}
13:27	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla yup i got one too.
13:27	mircea_popescu	basically coindesk is about to go out of business i take it.
13:30	BigBitz	That looks phishy.
13:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1324 @ 0.00264 = 3.4954 BTC [-] {2}
13:30	kakobrekla	o yea indeed it is.
13:31	kakobrekla	i will send aplologies to the phisher.
13:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 223 @ 0.00283007 = 0.6311 BTC [+] {5}
13:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 40 @ 0.0153 = 0.612 BTC [+]
13:34	mircea_popescu	it ain't no phishing, it routes straight to their servers.
13:34	kakobrekla	reply-to: coindesk.com@gmail.com
13:35	kakobrekla	really ?
13:35	kakobrekla	a follow up: >So I take that back and just give you a plain fuck you.
13:36	BigBitz	the broken english is bad.
13:36	BigBitz	@adverts to sell"
13:36	BigBitz	or something it said.
13:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00080081 = 21.8621 BTC [-]
13:37	BigBitz	and I doubt coindesk use @gmail.com lol
13:38	mike_c	you actually got them to call you a faggot?
13:38	mike_c	!s shrani
13:38	assbot	3 results for 'shrani' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=shrani
13:38	kakobrekla	mike_c yes
13:39	kakobrekla	i was still in bed when lampelina came in yelling "lmao coindesk called you a fagot!"
13:39	mike_c	lol. well good trolling.
13:40	kakobrekla	mike_c http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2014#770238
13:40	assbot	#bitcoin-assets log
13:40	kakobrekla	sorry no pic :(
13:41	mike_c	i'm surprised they had the balls for that.
13:41	ThickAsThieves	1and1 sux
13:41	kakobrekla	it is indeed possible i was talking to phisher now that BigBitz pointed it out
13:41	ThickAsThieves	;;rate 1and1.com -3 bullshit obfuscation
13:41	gribble	Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
13:41	kakobrekla	even then.
13:42	kakobrekla	so in that case, i guess not that amazing.
13:42	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
13:45	ThickAsThieves	http://www.theverge.com/2014/7/29/5945547/signal-brings-painless-encrypted-calling-whisper-systems-moxie-marlinspike
13:45	assbot	Signal brings painless encrypted calling to iOS | The Verge
13:45	ThickAsThieves	painless crypto at last
13:45	ThickAsThieves	first sentence: "Encryption is hard. "
13:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25350 @ 0.00080301 = 20.3563 BTC [+]
13:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 210 @ 0.00285898 = 0.6004 BTC [+] {2}
13:47	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla http://trilema.com/2014/the-pseudo-bitcoinsphere-feels-just-as-squishy-poo-as-the-romanian-pseudo-blogosphere-felt-five-years-or-so-ago/
13:47	assbot	The pseudo-Bitcoinsphere feels just as squishy-poo as the Romanian pseudo-blogosphere felt five years or so ago. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
13:48	kakobrekla	mp its phishing :(
13:48	mircea_popescu	orly.
13:48	kakobrekla	explain @gmail ?
13:48	kakobrekla	<kakobrekla> reply-to: coindesk.com@gmail.com
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13:49	mircea_popescu	for office@polimedia.us; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 20:39:49 +0400
13:49	mircea_popescu	how about that then ?
13:50	kakobrekla	maybe they got hacked?
13:50	mircea_popescu	<BigBitz> and I doubt coindesk use @gmail.com lol << obviously they use gmail.com.
13:50	BigBitz	Looks phishy also mircea_popescu
13:50	mircea_popescu	idiots consider having "theirname"@twitter, gmail etc a business move.
13:50	mircea_popescu	it does not. it reads exactly at the level where coindesk articles read.
13:50	BigBitz	That 190.115.24.198 is nothing to do with CoinDesk or CloudFlare.
13:50	mircea_popescu	right.
13:50	mircea_popescu	it wouldn't, think a moment.
13:51	mike_c	http://www.coindesk.com/phishing-alert/
13:51	assbot	Alert: Phishing Attempts Targeting CoinDesk
13:51	mike_c	Top one is exact copy kako got. i think it's phishers.
13:51	BigBitz	mircea_popescu ...
13:51	mircea_popescu	mike_c what would phishing do ?
13:52	mike_c	well, "phishing". they will ask for btc.
13:52	mircea_popescu	mike_c i have a lot of experience with wanna-be spammer kids. this is simply "plausible denial", as they understand it.
13:52	mircea_popescu	"let's spam and if anyone claims say we didn't do it, but if anyone buys all the better". this passes for business strategy, there.
13:52	BigBitz	Heh, wow.
13:52	BigBitz	that is... insane.
13:52	mircea_popescu	not like coindesk actually asking for money to publish is new or anything.
13:53	kakobrekla	option c: start phishing and then publish warning about attack on your site. this does not remove most potential victims but does remove guilt.
13:53	mike_c	someone should string them along a bit. that should make it obvious.
13:53	mircea_popescu	mike_c exactly
13:53	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3302 @ 0.00080081 = 2.6443 BTC [-]
13:54	mircea_popescu	mike_c go ahead and get wol reviewed, it'll be lulzy.
13:54	mike_c	heh
13:54	mircea_popescu	ow shit, no, actulaly, i linked the logs in my response
13:54	mircea_popescu	advertise something unrelated.
13:54	mircea_popescu	<BigBitz> that is... insane. << spamworld isn't known for sanity. if the people involved could think clearly they'd do something else with their time.
13:55	BigBitz	Yeah but you're saying CoinDesk are doing it on purpose.
13:55	mircea_popescu	exactly.
13:55	BigBitz	but that other email is clearly phishing.
13:55	mircea_popescu	"clearly" in what sense.
13:58	kakobrekla	anyway i think we jumped the gun on this, fortunate no harm done in either case.
13:59	mircea_popescu	i wish there was some way to make a bitbet about this.
14:00	mircea_popescu	but anyway, there's not a shadow of a doubt in my mind that this is exactly coindesk.
14:01	punkman	http://99bitcoins.com/almost-got-scammed-alleged-coindesk/
14:03	los_pantalones	The Facebook URL was also pretty convincing – why would someone be stating a Facebook page that wasn’t their own ?
14:03	los_pantalones	smert
14:06	mike_c	"Should BitPay make dilutive issuances after June 19, 2014, D.BPAY will be diluted proportionally." << these terms usually aren't public. how are you going to orchestrate this?
14:07	penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-pseudo-bitcoinsphere-feels-just-as-squishy-poo-as-the-romanian-pseudo-blogosphere-felt-five-years-or-so-ago/
14:07	mircea_popescu	mike_c they become public when they ipo cause they have to file.
14:07	mike_c	of course, but how do you handle dilutive private issuances?
14:08	mircea_popescu	at the time of payment.
14:08	mike_c	ah
14:08	mircea_popescu	it's there so people can correctly evaluate the risks involved. this is one.
14:08	mike_c	misunderstood, i get it.
14:08	mircea_popescu	if you buy 1mn worth of their 10mn total, then they issue another 90 and make it senior, then they ipo for 115mn
14:08	mircea_popescu	you're getting like... ouch.
14:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33375 @ 0.00080301 = 26.8005 BTC [+]
14:09	mircea_popescu	course one'd hope teh sec would prosecute that sorta fraud, but hey.
14:09	mike_c	pro rata is almost universally baked into early stage investments.
14:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00080251 = 9.7104 BTC [-] {3}
14:10	mircea_popescu	right.
14:11	mircea_popescu	except when it isn't, sort of thing
14:15	mircea_popescu	dub: assetteers sounds like part of a porno name << Alanis Assetteers ?
14:15	mircea_popescu	punkman: what happens when Diageo buys the old family distillery? does the product change or do they make sure it doesn't? << you're new, right ?
14:15	mircea_popescu	they make sure it doesn't change while it obviously does.
14:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 462 @ 0.00267822 = 1.2373 BTC [-] {4}
14:16	mircea_popescu	pankkake: eheh. outrage-driven is clearly the right qualifier << i like the girl, she's got word propriety. this is a rare skill, as it requires a lot more in depth knowledge than your average internet tard can possibly muster.
14:20	mircea_popescu	fluffypony: "Me siento con suerte" sounds like the title of a poem, doesn't have the same ring to it as "I'm feeling lucky" << srsly. most shit in spanish sounds poetic.
14:20	mircea_popescu	like say "te pica el coño ?"
14:22	mircea_popescu	!up kotarius
14:22	mircea_popescu	hm is 219 the most populos b-a ever been ?
14:23	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla: why are you such a dick and just tell em you wont pay? << that's like -ev neh ?
14:25	mircea_popescu	fluffypony: lol Bollywood: http://imgur.com/a/6EMBE << yeah because three doods in a shirt and a bleeding mouth are such genius fresh and original visual concepts.
14:25	assbot	Bollywood - Imgur
14:26	kakobrekla	how is it -ev ?
14:26	mircea_popescu	totally their occuring in separate geographic locations has ntohing to do with the fact that well, so did myths, pre-internet.
14:26	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla because consumer fucktard would really rather wait than do anything else
14:26	mircea_popescu	just as long as he has a good excuse.
14:26	mircea_popescu	or even a bad one.,
14:26	mircea_popescu	you never want to take away consumer fucktard's excuse. he gets pannicky and all the injured vanity yields rage.
14:27	ben_vulpes	;;eauth ben_vulpes
14:27	gribble	Request successful for user ben_vulpes, hostmask ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
14:27	ben_vulpes	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:5523835736bf628e470dfc837212c83012c47e2c1b1d9b932ed66b3b
14:27	gribble	You are now authenticated for user ben_vulpes with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
14:27	mircea_popescu	heya vulpy.
14:27	kakobrekla	you still think there is a risk of that eh
14:27	ben_vulpes	sup boss
14:27	mircea_popescu	that's one kickass name tbh.
14:28	mircea_popescu	;;google dex vulpe
14:28	gribble	vulpe - Wikționar: <http://ro.wiktionary.org/wiki/vulpe>; Vulpe vulpes Stock Photo Images. 12 vulpe vulpes royalty free ...: <http://www.fotosearch.com/photos-images/vulpe-vulpes.html>; Nuclear Reassembly Excludes Large Macromolecules - Science: <http://www.sciencemag.org/content/238/4826/548.long>
14:28	mircea_popescu	(that's fox btw : vulpe vulpes. you're like ben fox)
14:28	mircea_popescu	but please OH PLEASE do me a favour, and if you have a girl
14:28	mircea_popescu	name her vulpe
14:28	ben_vulpes	vulpe vulpes?
14:28	mircea_popescu	it's like the best girl name anyway, but like this... omfg, i'll pay.
14:29	ben_vulpes	how much? doesn't come with access lol
14:29	mircea_popescu	yes, vulpes is the clade name of the proper fox.
14:29	mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes well i wouldn't buy the access FROM YOU.
14:29	mircea_popescu	prolly cheaper from her anyway, in time.
14:29	ben_vulpes	natch
14:30	mircea_popescu	the horror of the interwebs you know, imagine you're 40, just got divorced, and while going through some old websites find a convo where your parents decided your name 2 years prior to birth in an irc chat.
14:33	ben_vulpes	lady v's already pretty set on tallulah for a female name
14:34	ben_vulpes	cedar and oslo for boys
14:35	mircea_popescu	so make two.
14:35	mircea_popescu	MAKE ME A VULPE DAMNIT
14:36	ben_vulpes	nothing in life is free
14:36	mircea_popescu	this is starting to sound a lot like seven and soda.
14:36	mike_c	(hello to my children from the past)
14:36	mircea_popescu	ahahhh oh mikey... that's so sweet seriously.
14:39	mircea_popescu	!up unseen
14:39	unseen	thanks
14:40	mircea_popescu	yw. so who are you ?
14:41	mircea_popescu	dooglus is it coming back ? what do you figure ?
14:41	mike_c	!up dooglus
14:42	fluffypony	heyo dooglus
14:43	mircea_popescu	trixisowned: they removed this line <<< somehow one's unsurprised.
14:43	mircea_popescu	"investing" on unsigned contracts, the benefits.
14:44	ben_vulpes	;;later tell pete_dushenki hey get in touch when you have a moment
14:44	gribble	The operation succeeded.
14:44	ben_vulpes	;;seen pete_dushenki
14:44	gribble	I have not seen pete_dushenki.
14:44	fluffypony	bitcoinpete
14:44	ben_vulpes	;;later tell pete_dushenski hey get in touch when you have a moment
14:44	gribble	The operation succeeded.
14:44	ben_vulpes	;;seen pete_dushenski
14:44	gribble	pete_dushenski was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 hours, 32 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <pete_dushenski> thanks be to nanotube !
14:45	fluffypony	ben_vulpes
14:45	ben_vulpes	fluffypony: NO.
14:45	fluffypony	his nick is bitcoinpete
14:45	ben_vulpes	;;gettrust pete_dushenski
14:45	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user pete_dushenski: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 4 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=pete_dushenski | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=pete_dushenski | Rated since: Fri Mar 28 09:14:47 2014
14:45	fluffypony	ah
14:45	fluffypony	it's going to take me weeks to get used to this
14:46	kakobrekla	whats with all the name switching
14:46	mike_c	kako_brekla
14:46	fluffypony	kakobrekla: change yours to kako_brekla
14:46	mike_c	inb4
14:46	fluffypony	lol mike_c, snap
14:46	assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0S0RTQJ.txt )
14:46	ben_vulpes	!b 3
14:46	ben_vulpes	FUCK
14:46	fluffypony	no thanks, maybe later
14:46	unseen	mircea_popescu: been lurking here for some time.
14:46	fluffypony	but I appreciate the offer
14:47	mike_c	bingo is the bash master. he must have hotkeys.
14:47	mircea_popescu	and a hot body.
14:47	unseen	General interest in MPEX, also you blog is fun to read
14:47	mircea_popescu	fluffypony so we seeing you as ric_spa soon ? :D
14:48	mircea_popescu	unseen cool.
14:48	fluffypony	not a chance :-P
14:48	mircea_popescu	why ?
14:48	mircea_popescu	such a hotbed of dissent this cha
14:48	fluffypony	I like my nick
14:48	mircea_popescu	dude we'll be like, in an airport with some russian doods one day, to watch how obama's plane is being shot down
14:48	fluffypony	it has a certain je ne sais quoi
14:49	mircea_popescu	and i'll be like... hey this here is ben vulpes, master of the vulpes. and this is pete d from canada
14:49	mircea_popescu	and this is... flu...uhm... pooo...yeah.
14:49	mircea_popescu	and they'll all laugh and you'll feel really bad.
14:49	fluffypony	nobody calls me fluffypony in real life
14:49	mircea_popescu	i will.
14:49	fluffypony	FP is fine
14:49	mircea_popescu	im colorblind!
14:49	fluffypony	:-P
14:51	mircea_popescu	anyway, i readily grant fluffypony's much better than bitcoinpete.
14:55	mircea_popescu	since im doing a cleanning here, anyone want bitcoin-financials.com/net/org ?
14:55	mircea_popescu	btcscoop.com ?
14:56	mike_c	speaking of dashes in urls. feels wrong that some squatter has bitcoinassets.com
14:56	unseen	so it is still 30BTC to join MPEX? used to be the same when BTC value was a lower?
14:56	kakobrekla	mike_c iirc someone tried to sell it that to me
14:56	mike_c	unseen: yup. coinbr lowered its pricing though
14:56	unseen	(noob prepares to get flamed)
14:56	mircea_popescu	unseen btc value was never lower.
14:56	mike_c	kakobrekla: no interest? just for 301?
14:57	fluffypony	unseen: 1 BTC = 1 BTC
14:57	fluffypony	if the fee was set in USD but BTC was accepted as payment it would fluctuate (in BTC terms), but if it's set in BTC it stays in BTC
14:58	kakobrekla	mike_c
14:58	kakobrekla	http://shrani.si/f/2G/Or/FhTltNi/domain.png
14:58	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla how many people call you a faggot in the averagde week ?
14:58	kakobrekla	lots.
14:58	mike_c	haha, nice.
14:59	kakobrekla	even lampelina does it.
14:59	mircea_popescu	how does that make you feel ?
14:59	kakobrekla	straight.
14:59	mike_c	hell, i would take it for $200 for trolling :)
14:59	mircea_popescu	hahah
14:59	unseen	mircea_popescu i still convert BTC to fiat in my head before spending, bad habit I guess. ..
14:59	mircea_popescu	unseen well you can do whatever you want, but imagine i wrote to the new york times to ask them to revalue their subscripton costs because the "value" of the dolar in argentine pesos has changed.
15:00	mircea_popescu	which it has btw, 12.9 by now, this baby's gonna default.
15:01	mircea_popescu	totally unrelated : http://31.media.tumblr.com/51ed62e8e314a2ff1bcd13939c97b495/tumblr_mo98qd6baF1qlne6uo1_400.gif
15:01	kakobrekla	whoever doesnt take my 13 bucks offer is an idiot
15:02	kakobrekla	its 13 or 0.
15:03	mircea_popescu	you could offer 13 + 0.1 btc if they write the domain on their tits...
15:04	kakobrekla	lol
15:05		Bet created: "Darkcoin over 0.013 BTC before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1008/
15:05	mircea_popescu	fucking trolls these people. Subject: IMMEDIATE VERIFICATION required ; Body : [blablabla] You have a 15 day window from the time of the original registration to verify the email address.
15:05	mircea_popescu	holy shit sherlock, is it 15 days or immediate ?
15:06	thick_as_thieves	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6dboY9FtDo
15:06	assbot	Erik Voorhees Talks BitLicense Regulations & Bitcoin Privacy | Coin Brief Interview - YouTube
15:08	unseen	13.5k € just to open an account, dang.
15:08	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves: probly removed cuz they wanna use whatever the fuck amount whenever the fuck << well it looked funny cycling it 5k at a time.
15:09	mircea_popescu	unseen you know what they say, best time to open a mpex acct was when it was free. 2nd best is now.
15:09	mircea_popescu	not like it's ever going to be cheaper.
15:09	thick_as_thieves	this erik interview is lame
15:09	thick_as_thieves	sry for linking it
15:10	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves: i dont understand why the line was ever there though really << because children, essentially.
15:10	mircea_popescu	!up unseen
15:10	unseen	mircea_popescu true that.
15:10	mike_c	the mistake is the "just"
15:11	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves: my result is we need a new wot <<< what nonsense is this ?!
15:12	unseen	just?
15:12	mircea_popescu	there's no such thing as "a business account". businesses exist as declarations from people in the wot. sovereignity in business is invested with the principals, the business is just a wrapper.
15:12	mircea_popescu	much like irl sovereignity is invested in the king, personally.
15:13	mircea_popescu	the state is just a wrapper.
15:13	mike_c	unseen: if you think mpex is going to continue to be relevant and an account would be useful to you, then it's not expensive.
15:14	mircea_popescu	it's really a bad idea to get involved in bitcoin investment if 30 btc is a major hit to your holdings.
15:14	mike_c	unseen: may I ask, any reason you don't use coinbr?
15:14	mircea_popescu	maybe buy a safe vehicle build with you in mind, like mpif, through a broker
15:14	mircea_popescu	but essentially, the barriers are there to help you not to hinder you. like railings on mountain roads.
15:15	mircea_popescu	Blazedout419: how do you combat ratings trolls? <<< why would you ? and ever read http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ ?
15:15	assbot	What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
15:15	mircea_popescu	(i know you think you know how it works, but srsly, read that thing)
15:16	unseen	mike_c counter-party risk. I like the PGP signed order system.
15:16	mike_c	;;gettrust unseen jurov
15:16	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask jurov!~jurov@mx.coinbr.com. Trust relationship from user unseen to user jurov: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=unseen&dest=jurov | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jurov | Rated since: Fri Jan 20 18:16:32 2012
15:16	mike_c	fwiw, i've never heard a complaint about coinbr.
15:17	chetty	http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-29/eu-aims-at-russian-banks-technology-in-widest-sanctions-yet.html
15:17	assbot	EU Aims at Russian Banks, Technology in Widest Sanctions - Bloomberg
15:17	mircea_popescu	jurov you know what you need ? you need fdic.
15:17	mircea_popescu	would you be interested in working out a consumer insurance scheme ?
15:18	mike_c	or, maybe he needs an interface like mpex. might be a bigger market for that than one would think.
15:18	jurov	yes?
15:19	jurov	mike_c whole setup makes api unfeasible. unless i limit it to 1 call/user/ 5 seconds
15:19	mircea_popescu	lemme see how this'd work
15:19	mike_c	jurov: that might not be prohibitive. can't do hft anyway.
15:19	unseen	mike_c any company may run off with your BTC. Even if they looked legit for some time.
15:20	mike_c	well of course. mpex could too.
15:20	mike_c	mpex just ran off with everyone's btc a few weeks ago. luckily it got lonely and came back.
15:20	mircea_popescu	how the heck does one structure a depositor insurance thing in btc ;/
15:21	unseen	mike_c I decided to trust MPEX.
15:21	mircea_popescu	!up godovo
15:21	mike_c	fair enough.
15:22	godovo	thanks
15:22	mircea_popescu	yw. who are you ?
15:22	godovo	random white dude
15:22	fluffypony	is your being white important?
15:23	mircea_popescu	maybe he feels guilty about it.
15:23	unseen	mike_c seems to have a different quality than anything else in the bitcoin sphere. kinda like it.
15:23	godovo	fluffypony just as important as the dude part
15:23	mike_c	depositor insurance: the insurer publishes a list like this: coinbr insured accounts - sha256(act_id): amount, sha256(act_id): amount
15:24	mike_c	that way you can verify your account_id is on the list without it being public
15:24	mike_c	and account_id is a pgp public key
15:24	mircea_popescu	jurov this could work. you publish the list once a month on your blog, as mike describes, then i verify the totals.
15:24	mircea_popescu	no charge.
15:25	godovo	a ridiculously comprehensive investigation: http://www.justice.gov/usao/flm/press/2014/May/20140530_Jones_Complaint.pdf
15:25	mircea_popescu	godovo can we has pdf tl;dr ?
15:25	godovo	they also used #bitcoin-otc logs
15:26	mike_c	looks like the localbitcoins florida case?
15:26	jurov	most of btc is in open bids
15:26	godovo	they used gribble auth to prove the nick really was him
15:26	mircea_popescu	caligirl huh.
15:26	mircea_popescu	godovo right and proper.
15:26	mike_c	oh, sry. more SR stuff
15:26	mircea_popescu	jurov so ?
15:27	mircea_popescu	oxycodone ? someone gives a shit !?
15:27	mircea_popescu	lmao orange county. srsly ?
15:27	jurov	mircea so you have no problem to compare stuff in past point of time?
15:27	mircea_popescu	they should just ship that county overseas.
15:28	mthreat	mircea_popescu: here's a buenos aires biz for ya - http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-27/former-goldman-options-trader-moonlights-as-argentina-taxi-king.html
15:28	assbot	Former Goldman Options Trader Becomes Argentina Taxi King - Bloomberg
15:28	mircea_popescu	jurov what's the concern, that a bid gets hit just as you post ?
15:28	jurov	and it can change substantially in the course of month, maybe it should be published more often
15:28	mircea_popescu	mthreat now that guy i'd like to meet.
15:28	mircea_popescu	dja know him ?
15:28	mthreat	nope.. just saw it on the news
15:28	mthreat	I think it was on HN, oddly enough
15:29	mircea_popescu	jurov the point is not to give a n accurate list of accounts. the point is to have checkpoints showing you're not spending it on booze.
15:29	mircea_popescu	i think
15:29	jurov	not a concern, just thinking loud
15:29	mircea_popescu	i dunno how exactly your users perceive your cp risks
15:29	mircea_popescu	mebbe ask them. "what'd make you feel better" thing
15:29	jurov	unseen, would above report signed by mpex help you?
15:30	mircea_popescu	mthreat well, sounds interesting
15:30	mike_c	my understanding is the cp risk is that jurov will run off to antartica with their assets.
15:30	mthreat	mircea_popescu: the ROI numbers sound good, on the surface anyway
15:30	mthreat	mircea_popescu: I'd be an excellent taxi driver
15:31	jurov	still, users shouldn't keep large btc balances on coinbr. place bids, get mpex receipt
15:31	mircea_popescu	you would, yes.
15:31	jurov	and watch the orderbook for nefarious activity
15:31	mircea_popescu	jurov yeah it's kinda redundant cause receipts anyway
15:31	mircea_popescu	well nm, was an idle thought
15:32	mircea_popescu	what is needed is perhaps more in depth explaining of how great the system is, as it is.
15:32	jurov	yea
15:33	unseen	jurov thinking about it.
15:33	mike_c	more in-depth won't get read. slapping a "insured by mpex" seal on the homepage will be seen.
15:33	mircea_popescu	;;gettrust dynamite
15:33	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user dynamite: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=dynamite | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dynamite | Rated since: never
15:33	jurov	can i make the seal with the duble cherry truck?
15:33	mike_c	yes, but no smoky dragons
15:33	mircea_popescu	;;gettrust dynamite`
15:33	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user dynamite`: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=dynamite%60 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dynamite%60 | Rated since: Wed Jan 2 17:42:41 2013
15:34	unseen	Mike
15:34	mircea_popescu	jurov srsly.
15:34	unseen	mike_c exactly
15:34	mike_c	there you go. btcalpha should start consulting.
15:34	mircea_popescu	http://pastebin.com/gKMdf7AF << kinda interesting. the guy's apparently net negative trust, and has been, since november.
15:34	assbot	[14:27] <Rallye> dude youre scamming me! [14:27] <dynamite`> how so? [14:27] < - Pastebin.com
15:36	mircea_popescu	well this particular texan cali girl will probably be happier in the pen than on the street anyway.
15:36	mircea_popescu	at least they do regular laundry runs there.
15:38	mircea_popescu	On October 9, 2013, I made contact with CALIGIRL utilizing the Bitmessage program and the 'trusted' Bitmessage address CALIGIRL provided. << nice use of airquotes there lol
15:41	mthreat	i used to pay $10/month for someone to do my laundry in 'da pen'
15:41	godovo	they really went above and beyond to catch this guy, impressive
15:43	mircea_popescu	ahahah not really above and beyond to catch him, just probing the shit out of it.
15:43	godovo	I bet he didn't see it coming, lol
15:43	mircea_popescu	the part where they degrade the arrangement to the point they talk to the guy on the phone, and then send direct dollars to his bank acct...
15:43	mircea_popescu	and then speak to jennifer, his gf...
15:44	mircea_popescu	o bro. so why was this guy connected to bitcoin anyway ? seems like an ordinary two bit crook with a beanie baby on the coffee table
15:44	mircea_popescu	doesn't make him a beanie baby anything.
15:44	chetty	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-29/bonds-peso-slide-fernandez-slams-holdouts-true-aggression-ageinst-argentina
15:45	mircea_popescu	The records turther detailed that the application was installed on an Apple iPhone that was titled 'Matthew Jones iphone. << secure minded fellow, he didn't use the carrier phone #, he got a special app.
15:45	mircea_popescu	THIS WAS BUILT FROM THE GROUND UP WITH SECURITY IN MIND!!!11
15:47	mircea_popescu	According to the records, the first and only outgoing call that was ever placed utilizing the account was to my undercover telephone number. This caff was pfaced on March 17, 2014 at 4:31 p.m. and went unanswered. Jones received three incoming calls that were answered. One call was from me and is detailed in this affidavit. The additjonal answered incoming telephone calls appear to have been from telemarketers.
15:47	mircea_popescu	omfg this is the funniest thing i ever read.
15:47	mircea_popescu	TWO OUT OF THREEE!
15:50	mircea_popescu	Blazedout419: for a business bad ratings can hurt more than for a regular user << this is widely held but empirically disproven. consider the muchly discussed case of bitbet.
15:51	mircea_popescu	mike_c: nanotube: why show "total points" on rating page? i thought that was supposed to be a meaningless number. << it's not entirely meaningless. it reflects the probability of a user being in your network.
15:52	chetty	http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/07/29/this-ice-cream-does-something-amazing-each-time-you-lick-it/
15:52	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
15:52	assbot	This Ice Cream Does Something Amazing Each Time You Lick It | Video | TheBlaze.com
15:53	mircea_popescu	danielpbarron: i think all users should be able to give ratings; doesn't matter if they are trolls or scammers << it's not really a good idea, because spamming.
15:53	mircea_popescu	one could keep a machine on non stop to just bloat nanotube's db, making accts, rating everyone, rewash
15:53	mircea_popescu	it is GOOD that existent users can make new users unable to become users. this is the bitcoin implementation of slavery.
15:54	mircea_popescu	and slavery is right and proper. if you're not into the wot, that is at your peril, and at great cost to you.
15:54	mircea_popescu	bitcoin is not optional, bitcoin is mandatory. failure to get in line is punished, not tolerated.
15:54	mircea_popescu	hopefully within not so very long having to pay someone already in the wot to be able to get in the wot will be common practice, and then all will be well.
15:56	mircea_popescu	;;rated danielpbarron
15:56	gribble	You have not yet rated user danielpbarron
15:56	mircea_popescu	;;rate danielpbarron 1 Works at spreading teh words.
15:56	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user danielpbarron has been recorded.
15:58	mircea_popescu	;;later tell genericpersona are you looking to get negrated or what exactly is it ?
15:58	gribble	The operation succeeded.
15:58	fluffypony	http://i.imgur.com/M3nEjl6.gif
16:00	mike_c	" it reflects the probability of a user being in your network." << who needs probabilities? gettrust works.
16:00	artifexd	fluffypony: Sometimes I wonder if you are actually a small script that looks like "echo reddit.com"
16:00	fluffypony	hah hah
16:01	fluffypony	danielpbarron: I don't disagree with genericpersona, those ratings are far from the biggest threat to the WoT
16:01	mircea_popescu	mike_c srsly, think about it. if his score implies a 40% probability people you know know him and yet nobody does.. isn;'t that informative ?
16:01	fluffypony	and even though the WoT itself isn't quantitative, it doesn't mean that ratings can't have quantitatively reflect the value of dealings
16:01	mircea_popescu	"how did you manage a total score of 5000 while nobody of the 300 people i know ever dealt with you ?"
16:02	mike_c	ah, i see.
16:02	mircea_popescu	fluffypony the new orthodoxy being that ratings reflect the quality of your knowledge of the person. not the deal.
16:02	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ << mp InSiStS.
16:02	assbot	What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
16:03	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: my knowledge of a person could be limited to a single trade
16:03	mircea_popescu	it could yes. but it doesn't have to be.
16:03	fluffypony	I "know" nothing about them beyond that
16:03	fluffypony	so now I should not rate them?
16:03	mircea_popescu	maybe i know everything i need to know about a girl from seeing her tits online. that's a solid 10.
16:03	mircea_popescu	maybe i trade 5k btc a week with someone and i can't go past 1.
16:03	fluffypony	but it's still qualitative
16:03	mircea_popescu	yes, no argument there.
16:04	fluffypony	I'd expect that someone that wants to deal with them will come talk to me and say "I see you did a $100 trade with rg...is he trustworthy?"
16:04	mircea_popescu	but of a meta-question. you're basically scoring yourself. "hopw likely am i to be able to answer someones' q's about this guyu"
16:04	fluffypony	and I'll be like "he was fine at the time, but he's gone south since then."
16:04	mircea_popescu	that's the big point there. your rating quantity is not about them at all. it's about you. you're describing yourself, as a repository of knowledge.
16:04	fluffypony	yes
16:04	mircea_popescu	right.
16:05	mircea_popescu	so it's at least in principle and often practically difficult for a third party to dispute your ratings as appropriate or inappropriate.
16:06	fluffypony	so a much bigger threat to the WoT than a rating that reflects the trade is that few of us actually go and talk to the people raters to get a feel for the person we're about to deal with
16:06	mircea_popescu	rithm: no one will document that and take it seriously << a) no you can't and b) i seem to recall footage of hruschev with his shoe.
16:06	mircea_popescu	so your argument fails on both ends.
16:06	artifexd	And the positive or negative of the rating is an indication of whether you have negative or positive information?
16:06	mircea_popescu	fluffypony some of us are supposedly very good at reading people.
16:06	artifexd	Kinda like reading the negative reviews on Amazon first
16:06	mircea_popescu	artifexd basically.
16:07	fluffypony	jawohl
16:07	mircea_popescu	the wot would really work just as good as a balnced ternary sistem really.
16:07	mircea_popescu	mike_c: rithm: but it's only harmful if 'total points' is a thing. joe schmoe isn't going to change thhe gettrust between you and others. <<< if the wot db ends up larger than ten blockchains it may become a problem to host.
16:08	rithm	right but i still won't rate someone who i've not a) traded with or b) stalked because i have no knowledge of that person
16:09	mircea_popescu	right.
16:09	rithm	rating someone because they look cool or seems smart is fruitless
16:09	rithm	and dangerous
16:09	mircea_popescu	well, how the fuck would i know ? maybe that's hoiw your magic works.
16:09	mircea_popescu	i won't presume to interfere in experts manner and expertise.
16:09	rithm	why can't i have a 5 for luke-jr
16:09	rithm	let's discuss it
16:09	mircea_popescu	in general tho, the wot benefits from fostering variety of approach. centralising a "set of rating practices" is actualy a valid attack
16:10	rithm	he's apeshit crazy, true
16:10	rithm	but i trust him with bitcoins
16:10	mircea_popescu	you can. which is why i didn't bitch at you when i finally beheaded him.
16:10	mircea_popescu	people wanting to figure him out can ask mp and find out he's a total tool, and ask you and find he's trustworthy with btc
16:10	rithm	apeshit crazy on one hand. moral compass and won't steal on the other
16:11	mircea_popescu	from this profile it becomes clear why he's dangerous : superficially trustworthy tool = mole.
16:14	rithm	i get to see a lot of ratings for stupid things like abortion
16:14	mircea_popescu	;;gettrust kakobrekla usagi
16:14	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user usagi: Level 1: 1, Level 2: -3 via 10 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=usagi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=usagi | Rated since: Mon Jun 18 12:33:55 2012
16:14	rithm	i know for a fact i saw someone rate someone because of their abortion views
16:15	rithm	within the last 90 days
16:15	mircea_popescu	i thought it was more. anyway, for a long time kako had usagi + even if the consensus in the chan is -.
16:15	mircea_popescu	this sort of thing is both common and natural.
16:16	mircea_popescu	http://31.media.tumblr.com/878424047f7983acff4a791d40c20f3d/tumblr_mo6xbyW7f61qlne6uo1_500.jpg << to go with earlier comment about bitcoin being mandatory.
16:16	rithm	when i see kids negrate flamewar each other for political views, i tend to stick to the 1:1 trade mentality
16:17	mircea_popescu	political views are just as valid as economical views. the distinction is not nearly as clear cut as you'd like it to imagine.
16:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10787 @ 0.00080517 = 8.6854 BTC [+]
16:18	mircea_popescu	danielpbarron: well nanotube should make it so you can always give ratings, or maybe base it on an L2 thing like assbot does <<< it already is. in order to be able to rate you need to be linked to google.
16:18	mircea_popescu	it's not enough to have high ratings from disconnected subgraphs.
16:20	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves: now you can't escape the system << this is exactly true.
16:20	mircea_popescu	why do you think it's called la serenissima ?
16:22	mircea_popescu	jurov: the solution is to not have one global wot for everything << i don't see it.
16:23	mircea_popescu	however you implement it, the situation in fact is that you have one global wot for everything.
16:23	mircea_popescu	just like there's one global currency for everything, that's the nature of currencies whether they measure trust or capital or whatever form of that same underlying.
16:23	mircea_popescu	rithm: right then we just devolve into some sort of ruling wot class << this is not properly called "devolve". this is improvement.
16:24	rithm	lol
16:24	rithm	i added that "d" on the front
16:24		Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin over $1000 before September" http://bitbet.us/bet/866/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 29(Y):71(N) by weight. Total bet: 38.00588622 BTC. Current weight: 30,230.
16:24	rithm	after the fact
16:25	ben_vulpes	<mircea_popescu> unseen you know what they say, best time to open a mpex acct was when it was free. 2nd best is now. << also, don't blow your btc stack on a seat.
16:25	mircea_popescu	yeah.
16:26	ben_vulpes	unseen: see above
16:26	mircea_popescu	the cost with a car should be 5% the car, 95% the gas. not 95% the car then sit around it listening to music.
16:27	ben_vulpes	insurance! i was just thinking about putting 1 btc on no for "MPEx defaults by sept 2015"
16:27	mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes what dickwolves incident ?
16:27	mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes ill put one too.
16:27	ben_vulpes	;;google dickwolves
16:27	gribble	Dickwolves - Geek Feminism Wiki: <http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Dickwolves>; Debacle Timeline: <http://debacle.tumblr.com/>; What Are Dickwolves, And What Do They Have To Do With Rape ...: <http://www.xojane.com/issues/dickwolves-penny-arcade-pax-rape-culture-mike-krahulik>
16:28	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: is copying mircea_popescu << no he's copying pete.
16:28	ben_vulpes	hey assholes i know a good idea when i see one
16:29	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller doesn't :D
16:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6513 @ 0.00080517 = 5.2441 BTC [+]
16:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.00268199 = 0.5364 BTC [+]
16:45	jurov	<mircea_popescu> jurov: the solution is to not have one global wot for everything << i don't see it. << there may be one global, but there will always be plenty of local ones, often with contradicting information
16:45	ben_vulpes	!up unseen
16:49	unseen	mircea_popescu:the cost with a car should be 5% the car, 95% the gas. not 95% the car then sit around it listening to music. << so basically stack of 600BTC recommended for a seat at the table
16:49	unseen	not quite there yet.
16:52	unseen	will try the coinbr thing, though
16:53	danielpbarron	unseen, idk if someone already gave you one, but here's a referal url https://coinbr.com/ref?c=k8M6x13ebV :D
16:53	assbot	About CoinBr
16:53	midnightmagic	the statement of a trust factor is the person making the judgement. if the WoT is dual, then the person would conceivably be forced to make more than one update, so the win would be externalizing the cost in terms of time onto the end-users. a second WoT would be useful in the event that the trust statements were of non-overlapping domains, such as trading confidence vs. (say) physics capability. "I trust this guy to correctly
16:53	midnightmagic	work out awesome physics problems." "I don't trust this guy to trade bitcoins with, he keeps stealing meat off my BBQ when I'm not looking." Or better yet, more narrowly, "I trust this guy, but I don't trust his ability to evaluate other peoples' trust."
16:54	HeySteve	believe I've found the answer to America's border security issues: http://www.global-unlimited.com/Pages/Wildlife/SALeeuw.html
16:54	assbot	Lions get killed by aids
16:55	unseen	danielpbarron will use it ;-)
17:03	BingoBoingo	fluffypony: Lol
17:12	BingoBoingo	!mpif
17:12	assbot	BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021715 B (Total: 474.86 B). Delta: -0.43 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021999 BTC [+]
17:12	BingoBoingo	%t
17:12	atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 210 Ask: 248 Last Price: 210 24h-Vol: 16k High: 211 Low: 210 VWAP: 210
17:13	BingoBoingo	%ob
17:13	atcbot	8k@260 17k@250 22k@248 | 32k@210 5k@204 50k@203
17:14	mike_c	%p
17:14	atcbot	[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.03 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1727.91 GH/s
17:15	BingoBoingo	%d
17:15	atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 540020.36 in 686 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -21.42
17:17	BingoBoingo	!up GodHatesFigs
17:20	BingoBoingo	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g91xkISmp2g&list=UUUllb83Lugbka-rvF6Nutxg
17:20	assbot	. - YouTube
17:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16964 @ 0.00079659 = 13.5134 BTC [-]
17:28	ben_vulpes	http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/07/29/casey-talks-eris/
17:28	assbot	Casey Kuhlman on Eris | Preston Byrne
17:33	ben_vulpes	argh fuck the t1.micro
17:39	jurov	ben_vulpes they introduced t2.micro, should be better
17:39	jurov	but i suspect you just can't upgrade by restarting
17:40	mike_c	hey look, panacea made some pips today.
17:41	mike_c	generally you can change instance types by shutting down and switching.
17:41	jurov	found it: T2 instances require HVM AMIs. if you have non-HVM, must rebuild it.
17:43	ben_vulpes	luckily, my deploys are entirely scripted.
17:43	ben_vulpes	<strike>luckily</strike>
17:43	ben_vulpes	s/deploys/provisioning
17:43	ben_vulpes	garhgrhagrhgra english you whore
17:47	BingoBoingo	!up whynotbit
17:47	BingoBoingo	hello whynotbit
17:53	whynotbit	Hello BingoBoingo
17:53	BingoBoingo	whynotbit: What brings you here today?
17:53	whynotbit	curiosity I may say !
17:54	jurov	http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/28532895 quite a farce
17:54	assbot	BBC Newsbeat - Kanye West wins 'Coinye' Bitcoin infringement lawsuit
17:54	jurov	hi moiety
17:54	jurov	!up moiety
17:55	moiety	hihi ty jurov
17:55	moiety	my ears were burning form the logs XD
17:55	moiety	i saved my flat!!!!!! \o/
17:56	moiety	how's everyone here?
17:56	jurov	congrats
17:56	BingoBoingo	Congratulation
17:56	BingoBoingo	s
17:57	moiety	thank you! been really scared cus i only just got the thing
17:57	moiety	hard work pays off :D
17:59	ben_vulpes	fluffypony: ping ping ping ping ping
17:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2800001 = 0.56 BTC [-]
18:01	jurov	moiety what do you think about doing video tutorial for gpg auth?
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18:01	jurov	it'd need to be extra for mac and extra for windows
18:01	moiety	can i please say "present" instead of "current" if it comes up?!
18:02	jurov	nope. say "contemporary"
18:02	jurov	;)
18:02	moiety	lol XD as long as it doesn't sound like i'm saying cunt!
18:03	jurov	cuntemporary?
18:03	BingoBoingo	moiety: Well, it won't sound like that to other scots at least
18:03	jurov	test it on TaT
18:04	moiety	i'm getting a better mic as well so things should sound better
18:05	moiety	;; later tell mike_c happy to re-record your videos when better mic arrives if you would like
18:05	gribble	The operation succeeded.
18:05	jurov	good. would be 0.5BTC okay for both? i'll then add "sponsored by CoinBr" stuff
18:06	moiety	totally! just give me a script and i can tweak any bits once you hear it
18:06	jurov	just film yourself doing it.. or you're using linux, too?
18:07	jurov	anyone'd like to help with wondows/mac script then?
18:08	jurov	or if you don't have the hardware, someone other will do and you'll only voiceover
18:09	HeySteve	;;rate DreadKnight 1 AncientBeast.com developer
18:09	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user DreadKnight has been recorded.
18:11	moiety	i use winblows jurov
18:11	jurov	okay, so we'll figure mac later
18:11	artifexd	I have a mac we can use
18:12	jurov	the script would be you installing gpg4win, first time registering with gribble and authentication
18:12	BigBitz	i usemac
18:12	artifexd	nameserv registration too
18:13	artifexd	With SET ENFORCE ON
18:13	jurov	yes, would be good
18:15	jurov	all clear? and it can wait for better mic.
18:16	moiety	all clear :]
18:17	jurov	when done, we'll do the same for ios
18:18	jurov	!up pogakuofie
18:18	dub	thats a lot of work for .5 you miser
18:19	pogakuofie	thanks : jurov :
18:19	jurov	well, you can throw something in the pot if you think it will be useful
18:19	pogakuofie	ok
18:19	pogakuofie	when i get it will
18:20	pogakuofie	:)
18:20	jurov	moiety, dub thinks you're cheap :)
18:21	moiety	good to know
18:21	moiety	perhaps someone else would be better placed doing this actually
18:22	moiety	dub: i said yes when i didn't realise it was all the recording as well
18:23	jurov	well, now you realise. you can name the price
18:23	dub	make him do the screengrab for you to voice
18:23	BigBitz	there is a video for otc auth i think...
18:24	BigBitz	is that what you're planning to create?
18:24	pogakuofie	the big dip has started
18:24	BigBitz	if so I can also help out if necessary. I can show you how to do it on Mac with GPG command line. Really simple little script.
18:25	pogakuofie	yea i saw that video
18:25	pogakuofie	but having problem get auth
18:25	jurov	you mean this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKEQBaporB0
18:25	assbot	Bitcoin-OTC Trolling - Rating Trolling - GPG Authentication Lulz EP 1 - YouTube
18:26	moiety	I'd be happy to do the voice over
18:26	pogakuofie	you doing another video
18:26	pogakuofie	that one wasnt clear
18:26	pogakuofie	hope its windows>>
18:32	jurov	moiety, would it be so hard to recreate your own setup?
18:34	jurov	http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication i see, there is one but poor quality and the iOS link is dead
18:34	assbot	GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki
18:38	moiety	I didn't say it would be hard
18:41	jurov	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HVSVIibZJc also this one, but with commandline gpg (under windows!) and key creation is not shown
18:41	assbot	GPG Web of Trust Tutorial for #bitcoin-otc - YouTube
18:43	moiety	i don't know when i'm going to get time to do this, is what i'm saying
18:44	jurov	okay
18:49	moiety	!up napedia
18:49	moiety	!up pogakuofie
18:53	thick_as_thieves	<+moiety> i'm getting a better mic as well so things should sound better // which?
18:54	moiety	unsure as yet thick_as_thieves all i know is i need a pop filter?
18:54	moiety	I have some other voice things to do
18:55	thick_as_thieves	depends on budget
18:55	thick_as_thieves	the default is probly and SM7b
18:55	thick_as_thieves	a
18:55	thick_as_thieves	but thats $350 or so and you then need a preamp
18:56	thick_as_thieves	your voice though, could get away with a SM57 just fine i bet
18:56	moiety	christ i didn't know they would be that much
18:56	thick_as_thieves	SM57 would be $100
18:56	moiety	oh thats fine tho
18:57	thick_as_thieves	still need a preamp though
18:57	thick_as_thieves	do you have one?
18:57	thick_as_thieves	something to give phantom power
18:57	moiety	i have no idea what it is, so i doubt it
18:57	thick_as_thieves	basically the thing(s) between your mic and pc
18:57	thick_as_thieves	one sec
18:58	moiety	sorry, theres a lot more to this than i initially thought
18:58	moiety	the advice is much appreciated, thank you thick_as_thieves
18:59	thick_as_thieves	something like this would be cheapest thing to take seriously:http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/TubeMPpsUSB
18:59	kakobrekla	re mic, you can get philips wm61a capsules for a few bucks each
19:00	asciilifeform	gentlemen, wtf with the underscores ?
19:00	thick_as_thieves	that's not for voice i dont think
19:00	thick_as_thieves	for like video cameras?
19:00	kakobrekla	its flat over human hearing range
19:00	kakobrekla	more or less.
19:00	thick_as_thieves	but close proximity?
19:01	thick_as_thieves	pop nightmare
19:01	thick_as_thieves	i bet
19:01	kakobrekla	dunno i used it for spl measuring and stuff
19:01	thick_as_thieves	with voice you want it to not have a lot of range
19:02	thick_as_thieves	to get out room noise
19:02	thick_as_thieves	get out = avoid
19:02	kakobrekla	asciilifeform i had the same doubts and for response i got underscores thrown in my head.
19:03	artifexd	;;ident thick_as_thieves
19:03	gribble	CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'thick_as_thieves', with hostmask 'thick_as_thieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves', is identified as user 'ThickAsThieves', with GPG key id B28732FE807495EC, key fingerprint D649FD3B664A6BCF801D727EB28732FE807495EC, and bitcoin address 1NfXM69erAWPDdNrZ2k2UkuV7HDPc6Ebwk
19:03	thick_as_thieves	it's really me, just wearing different socks today
19:03	artifexd	Just making sure. :)
19:03	mike_c	much better, cooler socks
19:04	moiety	thanks for the advice guys :] i think it will be a while before i can get set up withthat properly
19:04	thick_as_thieves	no worries
19:04	thick_as_thieves	moiety i hear these arent bad http://www.zzounds.com/item--BALSNOWBALL
19:04	thick_as_thieves	it's mic and preamp in one
19:05	thick_as_thieves	$76
19:05	thick_as_thieves	and it's a ball
19:05	thick_as_thieves	so there's that
19:05	moiety	o i like that... i like it all in together, less for me to break
19:05	thick_as_thieves	more to break at once
19:05	thick_as_thieves	;)
19:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01528543 = 0.7643 BTC [+] {6}
19:06	moiety	awtrue D;; lol
19:08	jurov	;;tslb
19:08	gribble	Time since last block: 18 minutes and 17 seconds
19:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19450 @ 0.00079586 = 15.4795 BTC [-]
19:16	asciilifeform	http://imgur.com/qk3jntg
19:16	assbot	ersatz - Imgur
19:19	thick_as_thieves	ersatz http://imgur.com/gallery/km7N0
19:19	assbot	My wife didn't want to take maternity pictures, so I hired a photographer and took her place... - Imgur
19:20	thick_as_thieves	asciilifeform what will you be plotting?
19:20	asciilifeform	thick_as_thieves: solder paste
19:20	thick_as_thieves	neat
19:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00079602 = 2.9851 BTC [+]
19:25	justusranvier	Did I miss any objections? http://bitcoinism.liberty.me/2014/07/29/how-and-why-to-build-an-unbanked-bitcoin-atm
19:25	assbot	How and Why to Build an Unbanked Bitcoin ATM | Bitcoinism
19:29	moiety	omg at that album thick_as_thieves :'D lolol
19:35	penguirker	New blog post: http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/why-is-bitcoin-crashing/
19:42	danielpbarron	http://www.justice.gov/usao/flm/press/2014/May/20140530_Jones_Complaint.pdf << DEA report on -otc user named Dynamite`, busted for selling on silk road
19:45	asciilifeform	parallel construction; snore.
19:46	BingoBoingo	parellel construction seems likely for anything police in the US do these days
19:47	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: the parallel construction in the case of your local doughnut eater is largely 'automatic' - i.e., they get 'anonymous tip' and proceed via traditional means
19:48	BingoBoingo	Ah, yeah. 'anonymous tip' prolly belongs in scare quotes from now on.
19:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.28000005 = 1.12 BTC [-] {3}
20:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20375 @ 0.00079458 = 16.1896 BTC [-] {2}
20:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12075 @ 0.00079417 = 9.5896 BTC [-]
20:23	HeySteve	;;tell thick_as_thieves ThickAsThieves: something like turn namecoin in a wot <- was working on exactly this
20:36	BingoBoingo	!up Duffer1
20:36	BingoBoingo	!up fordlincoln
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21:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6869 @ 0.000789 = 5.4196 BTC [-]
21:11	BingoBoingo	lulzy butthurt http://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/idiocracy-is-a-cruel-movie-and-you-should-be-ashamed-fo-1553344189
21:11	assbot	Idiocracy Is a Cruel Movie And You Should Be Ashamed For Liking It
21:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 5000 @ 0.00072021 = 3.6011 BTC [-] {7}
21:12	DreadKnight	erm Idiocracy is one of my fav movies
21:13	DreadKnight	!up TheRelic
21:14	DreadKnight	the current ghetto I'm living in is real proof of that movie, making it funny because it's real
21:14	DreadKnight	families of 5 living in a single small room and having huge debts
21:16	BingoBoingo	Yeah, Idiocracy being cruel doens't necessarily mean it is untrue
21:16	mthreat	%tslb
21:16	atcbot	11 minutes and 42 seconds
21:24	DreadKnight	thanks for article share, will read it soon
21:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32225 @ 0.00078805 = 25.3949 BTC [-] {2}
21:35	thick_as_thieves	<+HeySteve> ;;tell thick_as_thieves ThickAsThieves: something like turn namecoin in a wot <- was working on exactly this /// how's it going?
21:35	thick_as_thieves	mike_c i love the analysis
21:35	thick_as_thieves	I hadnt seen enky's latest post yet, but i too am having some concerns about current demand
21:36	thick_as_thieves	however, the USMS should have news about the SR auction in a week or two, which could spark something
21:37	mircea_popescu	;;tell genericpersona that's not your call to make. now stop dicking around while you still have a dick to dick around with.
21:37	thick_as_thieves	who is genericpersona?
21:37	thick_as_thieves	someon ei hav eignored?
21:37	thick_as_thieves	must be vancleef or sumth
21:38	mircea_popescu	some -otc derp i imagine.
21:38	thick_as_thieves	o
21:38	mircea_popescu	people from tennessee imagining beijing is a suburb of chattanooga.
21:39	HeySteve	thick_as_thieves, we got pretty far. forked NMC and had a blockchain running you could use to add and retrieve public keys and other details like name, email, business, etc.
21:39	HeySteve	my dev in thailand has dropped off the radar lately tho
21:40	HeySteve	I had the idea but know next to nothing about code so he was doing the heavy lifting there
21:40	mircea_popescu	i vaguely recall the discussion from back thewn
21:40	thick_as_thieves	programmers, can't work with em, can't work without em
21:40	HeySteve	(perhaps it's more accurate to say I re-had the idea, seeing as nanotube was looking at decentralising the WoT ages ago)
21:40	DreadKnight	thick_as_thieves, you said it :\
21:41	DreadKnight	most coders have a god complex
21:41	mircea_popescu	most coders are god, stop hating :D
21:41	BingoBoingo	Huh, I can't seem to see a genericpersona derping in the lawgs
21:41	HeySteve	yep. I'll send him another message, ask him to come here and talk about it
21:41	thick_as_thieves	or dog complex
21:44	mircea_popescu	meanwhile in the kitchen, http://38.media.tumblr.com/065d75d3ad7f8fe2bcbddad3084cd7d7/tumblr_mjlzqbsNO01rt1p0go1_500.jpg
21:44	BingoBoingo	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=716569.msg7950314;boardseen#new
21:44	assbot	Justice for Paige Striker - raped at 14!
21:45	dub	tribal neck tattoos, edgy
21:46	mircea_popescu	dub they don't really pay for extras in these shoots.
21:46	mircea_popescu	basically just pick up w/e the cats are dragging in the street.
21:46	mircea_popescu	Long story short - I hired Shawn and Pixeldust Marketing late in 2013 to redesign our web site https://www.pinnaclecredit.com/ (note: his design was junk and we did not use it) Shawn started a relationship with our 14 year old daughter Paige behind our back. We found out Jan 2014 she had gotten pregnant by Shawn and had an abortion! Shawn is in his 30s!
21:46	mircea_popescu	ok that's just good dirt.
21:47	mircea_popescu	who is this dood.
21:47	BingoBoingo	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=112569
21:47	assbot	Login
21:47	mircea_popescu	"We charged him with sexual assault but our daughter would not cooperate and he was not convicted." << this doth not sound much like rape.
21:49	BingoBoingo	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=112569
21:49	assbot	View the profile of evershawn
21:51	asciilifeform	pixeldust << synthetic dope that drives user mad while giving him extraordinary strength? (or was that another 'dust' ?)
21:53	BingoBoingo	Pixie dust, PCP
21:53	asciilifeform	ahaha
21:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28250 @ 0.00078568 = 22.1955 BTC [-]
21:58	mircea_popescu	pcp is more of a cop/courthouse legend from the 80s
21:59	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=710658.msg8079399#msg8079399
21:59	assbot	Scammer - Martin Lawrence - St. Albert - Alberta, Canada
21:59	mircea_popescu	not a hippy or someone that backs down. well...
21:59	asciilifeform	legend, afaik, is based on the 'feature' of it being anaesthetic without any soporific effect - so user could indeed use 'great strength' at the cost of tearing muscles.
22:00	*	asciilifeform hasn't tried, can't confirm
22:00	penguirker	New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/spoondoolies-tech-updates-power-drawhash-rate/
22:01	BingoBoingo	PCP is a dissociative anesthetic similar to ketamine, but with less effect on the ability to move skeletal muscles
22:02	*	asciilifeform was once offered ~1k usd by employer to take ketamine, somehow never got around to it
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22:03	asciilifeform	(usg trials. for some reason, just about all the tear-off tabs on the 'volunteers needed' ad - stayed attached. one can infer that most people want > 1k usd for this.)
22:04	asciilifeform	recently saw the very same ad on uni. campus. apparently they're still testing.
22:04	mircea_popescu	<BingoBoingo> PCP is a dissociative anesthetic similar to ketamine, but with less effect on the ability to move skeletal muscles << exactly so.
22:05	mircea_popescu	you don't hear reports about keto hipsters throwing fire trucks at airplanes.
22:05	mircea_popescu	or w/e bs.
22:05	BingoBoingo	Because deep in the k-hole you can't fire signals to move around. That deep in PCP that body runs blind
22:05	asciilifeform	in the actual police documents, the plausible data - suspect requiring a few more doughnut eaters than usual to subdue
22:07	BingoBoingo	Basically in the PCP hole, body can't report pain/sensory data to the brain and brain can't impose coherent order upon the body.
22:09	HeySteve	just downloaded DAZ studio and experimenting
22:09	HeySteve	couldn't get the pose as extreme as in the "kitchen" pic but it's fairly close: http://i.imgur.com/cn01ZnT.jpg
22:10	HeySteve	fun program!
22:17	BingoBoingo	mike_c: How is forum lyfe?
22:18	ben_vulpes	<asciilifeform> gentlemen, wtf with the underscores ? // my handle's been outdated by reality for a long time now.
22:18	mike_c	quiet. i wasn't sure what to expect, but so far it has been indifference. i didn't post at a great time, late at night. thinking about getting some people to bump it. not sure what to do yet.
22:19	*	asciilifeform assumed ben_vulpes is actually named 'ben fox' when first saw
22:20	mircea_popescu	mike_c's fate, to linger between indifference and insanity.
22:20	mike_c	i looked at the price for advertising and was shocked. 1 slot (which is 1/8 of impressions) for 1 week is going for ~3 btc
22:21	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it's a point of great wonder, the man not only had the means to find a girl actually named fox after her father, but sense enough to switch names.
22:21	penguirker	New blog post: http://bitcoinism.liberty.me/2014/07/29/how-and-why-to-build-an-unbanked-bitcoin-atm/
22:21	mircea_popescu	mike_c yes, for as long as it lasts milking the scampit is lucrative.
22:21	ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: lit. "son of the fox" - albeit pidgin hebrew
22:22	ben_vulpes	(/aramaic)
22:22	mike_c	big buyer was cex.io
22:22	mike_c	which needs constant chump fuel
22:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 274 @ 0.0035819 = 0.9814 BTC [-] {12}
22:22	ben_vulpes	<mike_c> i looked at the price for advertising and was shocked. 1 slot (which is 1/8 of impressions) for 1 week is going for ~3 btc << >?!
22:22	mircea_popescu	http://38.media.tumblr.com/2b8e16a7eb6146a88171856b7b971dbd/tumblr_mniti61WFw1qlne6uo1_500.jpg << 70s fashions.
22:23	ben_vulpes	;;ticker
22:23	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 583.5, Best ask: 583.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.49000, Last trade: 583.5, 24 hour volume: 3794.65763213, 24 hour low: 578.0, 24 hour high: 591.95, 24 hour vwap: 582.780620021
22:23	ben_vulpes	ah that's not so bad
22:23	mike_c	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=700152.msg8078134#msg8078134
22:23	assbot	Advertise on this forum - Round 127
22:23	mircea_popescu	mike_c yeah, cex.io is spending a lot on advertising. google too.
22:23	mike_c	bitmain bought half the slots this week
22:24	ben_vulpes	how many impressions?
22:24	ben_vulpes	"impressions"
22:24	*	ben_vulpes vomits
22:24	mircea_popescu	tbh i'd rather advertise on 4chan.
22:24	mike_c	377877 per slot
22:25	mircea_popescu	mike_c per week ?!
22:25	ben_vulpes	i suppose people don't care if things are quantifiable, only if they put their stuff in front of the right audience
22:25	mike_c	;;calc [ticker --last] * 3 / 378
22:25	gribble	4.61785714286
22:25	mike_c	4.60 cpm. high, but not outrageous i guess
22:25	mike_c	https://bitcointalk.org/adrotate.php?adstats
22:25	mircea_popescu	you have got to be kidding me, 400k impressions a day is ludicrous. trilema does more than the tardstalk ?!
22:26	mike_c	that is 1 slot (1/8 of total)
22:26	asciilifeform	'impression' ~= page load ?
22:26	mircea_popescu	but for the whole week ?
22:26	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform pretty much.
22:26	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu> you have got to be kidding me, 400k impressions a day is ludicrous. trilema does more than the tardstalk ?! << tardstalk has prolly already bored all the spooks
22:26	mike_c	oh, sry. that was only for logged-in users
22:27	mike_c	1,526,113 per day for the whole site if my fogged-brain is doing this right
22:27	ben_vulpes	<mircea_popescu> ;;tell genericpersona that's not your call to make. now stop dicking around while you still have a dick to dick around with. // a dick with which to around?
22:27	mircea_popescu	that's saner.
22:27	asciilifeform	~4/min. is approx. what i see on my site. which is quite obscure.
22:28	mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes a dick with which to dick.
22:28	mike_c	;;calc [ticker --last] * 3 / 1526
22:28	gribble	1.14802096986
22:28	mike_c	that is a more reasonable cpm
22:28	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform your site's not that obscure, for one. 4k is not much on the other.
22:29	asciilifeform	it was ~1/min before it started to live in the #b-a log.
22:29	mircea_popescu	mike_c about a degree of magnitude too much, but hey.
22:29	asciilifeform	(i also see quite a few 'trilema' headers)
22:30	mike_c	well, you figure 0.1% ctr? so you pay $1 per click
22:31	mike_c	probably worth it for bitmain
22:31	mircea_popescu	mike_c like for neobee.
22:31	mike_c	bitmain isn't scammer afaik. that's antminer, right? they deliver.
22:31	mircea_popescu	it's not worth it for any of them, just, they don';t have the option not to do it. if they don't do it they don;t exist. so gotta do it.
22:31	BingoBoingo	Well isn't bitmain the people actually delivering asics now?
22:32	mircea_popescu	mike_c well one doesn't have to be a scammer for the roi to not be there.
22:32	mike_c	mircea_popescu: i believe that is the point for buyers like 'indacoin', whatever the hell that is
22:33	mike_c	idk.. you also get the eyeballs. the 'see-throughs'.
22:33	mircea_popescu	http://theumlaut.com/2014/07/29/a-gentle-introduction-to-neoreaction-for-libertarians/ << so check it out, teh princess manges to go through an entire mile long post about right wing anarchy throwing out ~1k links, never mentions trilema.
22:33	assbot	A Gentle Introduction to Neoreaction (for Libertarians) | The mlaut
22:34	mircea_popescu	fuck me, i thought myself the alpha and omega of right wing anarchy. i guess i don't get out enough.
22:34	mike_c	thick_as_thieves:mike_c i love the analysis << thx :) it was fun.
22:35	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: actually 99%+ of the material, afaik, these folks would find agreeable, is... in russian. (they're, unsurprisingly, quite unaware.)
22:36	mircea_popescu	(quite unsurprisingly. it is the curse of the us-ian, this particular stupidity, to have to reinvent everything, make it shoddier and flimsier and strut proudly. but hey, at least some stones in a hat taught him ancient aramaic)
22:36	asciilifeform	people who can't read - will reinvent. no surprised here.
22:37	mircea_popescu	"in the end, success is 1% reading and 99% getting your name out there!"
22:38	mike_c	wait, what percentage is work?
22:39	mircea_popescu	what is work ?
22:39	asciilifeform	success... name out there << is this quote from 'spam like a pro in 21 days' ?
22:39	mike_c	holy link-fest. let me add that along with excessive footnotes to my list of ways to make your post unreadable.
22:39	mircea_popescu	quite is from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSjLiQxEZlM if it wasn't obvious.
22:39	assbot	You can do Anything! - YouTube
22:40	*	asciilifeform is seeing this marvel for the first time
22:41	mircea_popescu	you also should get out more ?
22:41	asciilifeform	lol
22:42	mircea_popescu	mike_c i dun think it was intended to be read, i think it was intended to get me to read all this crud.
22:42	mircea_popescu	i fucking can't to, it feels like all the idiot kids that i flunked in philosophy class ran off and made blogs.
22:43	DreadKnight	asciilifeform, welcome around
22:44	DreadKnight	oh sorry, scratch that
22:44	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00078568 = 29.6201 BTC [-]
22:44	kakobrekla	unwelcome around!
22:45	mircea_popescu	lol
22:45	*	asciilifeform saw title 'you can do anything', expected a film where idiots try to fly jets, dive submarines, like in a certain ancient story by sheckley
22:45	mircea_popescu	welcome asquare!
22:46	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no, see, historically idiocy was falsifiable, but since it met this retarded civilisation of safety...
22:46	mircea_popescu	it just can't find its onw level anymore.
22:47	mike_c	i haven't seen much snl. that video is great
22:47	asciilifeform	http://www.baenebooks.com/chapters/9781625791412/9781625791412___2.htm
22:47	assbot	- <b>THE PRIZE OF PERIL</b>
22:47	mircea_popescu	mike_c the rest of snl is not there yet. sort-of how the aliens with a telephone are half sesame street.
22:48	asciilifeform	oops wrong link
22:48	asciilifeform	actually nope. right one.
22:56	BingoBoingo	!up the20year
22:56	mircea_popescu	jurov: there may be one global, but there will always be plenty of local ones, often with contradicting information << now this i see.
22:56	BingoBoingo	!up the20year1
22:56	the20year1	There?
22:57	the20year1	Alright, i can't ever remember which one i'm logged into, i've got like 4 IRC nicks now
22:57	the20year1	sweeet
22:57	the20year1	Seeems that hookers n blow comment has finally come up on the forums, i feel like such a celeb
22:59	mircea_popescu	jurov: good. would be 0.5BTC okay for both? i'll then add "sponsored by CoinBr" stuff << cool beanz
23:03	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: parallel construction; snore. << indeed. that idiot had no business no way and no means doing so many columbia flights.
23:04	mircea_popescu	he's someone's something, which also neatly explains why they put one of the few dea agents with a functioning brain on the case, and spent so much time and effort on it.
23:04	mircea_popescu	now whose what... meh, i dun gas.
23:05	mircea_popescu	justusranvier my idea at least is that an atm is the most fucktarded idea one could come up with.
23:06	mircea_popescu	specifically : an atm requires a fortress. we have not yet built the fortress. when we do, you will know we have, because i will kidnap a number of "world leaders" wives and daughters to be publicly raped there as to make the fucking point that in fact it IS a fortress.
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23:06	mircea_popescu	on the other hand, an atm is addressed to and aims to serve the public. bitcoin does not.
23:07	mircea_popescu	so for these considerations, it makes about as much sense to talk of bitcoin atms as it makes sense to talk of using wet matches to shoot down Mars.
23:07	the20year1	bitcoin doesn't serve the public?
23:07	mircea_popescu	the20year1 only incidentally. but principally , bitcoin serves the elite.
23:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00078547 = 23.0143 BTC [-] {2}
23:08	mircea_popescu	(no, not THAT one, this one, but what the hell's the difference)
23:10	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: Yeah, Idiocracy being cruel doens't necessarily mean it is untrue <<< kinda meh slapsticky nonsense imo, but hey.
23:11	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well more nonsense when you aren't in the thick of ground zero
23:11	mircea_popescu	granted, i know not of what i speak.
23:14	the20year1	if bitcoin only serves the elite, then why pass out flyers?
23:14	justusranvier	The Bitcoin ATMs I describe serve the Bitcoin traders. Frees them up from having to meet at the same time to perform their trades.
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23:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.27 = 2.16 BTC [-]
23:41	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00078948 = 12.2369 BTC [+] {3}
23:42	BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/494327061163438080
23:42	penguirker	New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/07/29/actual-internet-etiquette-trackbacks-and-spam/
23:42	BingoBoingo	A lesson in Internet Etiquette #blogging http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/07/29/actual-internet-etiquette-trackbacks-and-spam/ cc: @HashReport
23:42	assbot	Actual Internet Etiquette: Trackbacks and Spam | Bingo Blog
23:47	BingoBoingo	http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/07/why-one-new-jersey-school-district-killed-its-student-laptop-program/
23:47	assbot	Why one New Jersey school district killed its student laptop program | Ars Technica
23:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2959999 = 0.888 BTC [+]
23:50	BingoBoingo	!up TheNewDeal
23:50	TheNewDeal	why thank you sir
23:51	BingoBoingo	You are welcome
23:51	TheNewDeal	hows your evening treating you
23:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2959999 = 0.592 BTC [+]
23:51	TheNewDeal	or if it's that time
23:53	BingoBoingo	Not too bad.
23:54	TheNewDeal	any decent limericks surfaced lately ?
23:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12196 @ 0.00078477 = 9.5711 BTC [-]
23:55	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: an atm requires a fortress... << to house the mechanism itself? or, its owner?
23:56	TheNewDeal	to not be robbed
23:57	asciilifeform	is the presumption that the 'saecular authorities' will not prosecute the theft of a btc atm ?
23:57	asciilifeform	or, that they will perpetrate said theft ?
23:57	asciilifeform	(in which case, what kind of fortress could possibly suffice)
23:58	BingoBoingo	Mega lolz: "Adwords Robot USA/UK favorited your Tweet"

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