#trilema | 2014-04-01

seedcoin is a massive scam i suspect

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00:36

!t h smg

00:36

[HAVELOCK:SMG] 1D: 0.00007023 / 7.616E-5 / 0.00008000 (510 shares, 0.03884221 BTC), 7D: 0.00007023 / 8.449E-5 / 0.00009410 (6072 shares, 0.51303206 BTC), 30D: 0.00007023 / 8.993E-5 / 0.00012600 (17596 shares, 1.58233780 BTC)

00:36

dat discount

00:37

anyone have a link to the chart of bitcoin holders in the world

00:38

it has something about n numbers of holders having xx% of the holdings

00:42

Panacea perf for March: +0.26%

00:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00094254 = 13.3841 BTC [-] {2}

00:51

oh yeah i forgot to say, take that doctor forehead.

01:03

Mats_cd03: something like this? http://bitcoinrichlist.com/charts/percent-bitcoins-owned-by-richest

01:12

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00094283 = 11.2197 BTC [+]

01:12

no

~ 30 minutes ~

01:42

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00094237 = 25.2555 BTC [-] {3}

01:43

so should I get more popcorn?

01:43

anything good?

01:47

Well, bitcointa.lk overtook itcointalk.org in officialness. Shrem and Failla are racing to negotiate with prosecutors first.

01:50

https://bitcointa.lk/threads/please-remove-this-user-from-this-forum.292032/page-2#post-5731773

01:50

Please remove this user from this forum. | Page 2 | Bitcointa.lk

01:50

Apparently Maged thinks the MPOE-PR account was sold or hacked.

~ 17 minutes ~

02:08

I agree with ThickAsThieves

02:13

dat drama

02:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38150 @ 0.00094384 = 36.0075 BTC [+] {2}

02:25

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00578608 = 0.1504 BTC [+]

02:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.00094573 = 24.3998 BTC [+] {3}

02:38

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0639885 = 0.3199 BTC [+]

02:46

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]

02:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00094422 = 1.6524 BTC [-]

02:52

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18823 @ 0.00094211 = 17.7333 BTC [-]

03:04

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0561202 = 0.5612 BTC [+] {5}

03:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91394 @ 0.00094175 = 86.0703 BTC [-] {2}

~ 37 minutes ~

03:55

kakobrekla: here?

03:56

;;ticker --market all

03:56

Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 482.0, vol: 19190.41597174 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 480.327, vol: 12406.03391 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 483.4699, vol: 15193.3086536 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 488.82, vol: 79.07079047 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 462.818096, vol: 4623.65040000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 491.40023, vol: 16.68824773 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 478.5824, vol: 128.77578004 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)

03:56

BB :D hihi how was your weekend?

04:00

moiety: Not bad

04:01

BingoBoingo: glad to hear it :) how epic are the logs?!

04:01

moiety: They look grand today

04:02

http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/04/01/029249/dvrs-used-to-attack-synology-disk-stations-and-mine-bitcoin

04:02

DVRs Used To Attack Synology Disk Stations and Mine Bitcoin - Slashdot

04:03

lolol "also run a bitcoin miner"

04:04

huh

04:04

I failed to be able to explain to my romanian cousin the notion of "nerd"

04:04

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 1333 @ 0.0075 = 9.9975 BTC [+]

04:05

she couldn't connect the idea of someone really smart with the image of someone really socially inept

04:05

I wonder if in romania nerds simply fail to be socially inept

04:06

yes romanian nerds will hack some shit, but we'll also take some shots, snort some blow, and play with some women.

04:06

probably concurrently.

04:08

Reads so much better logified

04:17

some some some

04:17

lol

04:17

im loving this

04:18

BingoBoingo: the disappearing blogger returned again, this time to hang around and wondered where you hung around but thinks this is a bit much for him. sends his regards though

04:19

moiety: Jumpy?

04:19

yeah baby #2 on the way!

04:19

Ah

04:19

saving doge for college funds lol

04:20

i never thought id see the day

~ 20 minutes ~

04:40

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0075 = 0.375 BTC [+]

04:47

BTCe doin a little April 1 funny

04:51

glassdoor has a decent one: http://www.glassdoor.com/blog/salaries-glassdoor-bitcoins/

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05:07

heh

05:07

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/01/mpesa_mobile_money_transfer_service_launches_in_romania/

05:12

but will we see MPesaEx?

05:18

this has gotten long: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=549572.0

05:25

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.06402567 = 0.8964 BTC [+]

05:27

cant be as good as here MisterE

05:27

re btc-e

05:27

the log?

05:27

yea it's just upside down

05:29

*

MisterE is jumping out at 497 to book $50 profit :)

05:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00094422 = 10.1032 BTC [+]

05:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32150 @ 0.00094274 = 30.3091 BTC [-] {2}

05:46

andreas_

;;ticker

05:46

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 482.28, Best ask: 482.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.71000, Last trade: 482.28, 24 hour volume: 22454.41465420, 24 hour low: 440.27, 24 hour high: 509.98, 24 hour vwap: 467.584036352

05:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95150 @ 0.00094637 = 90.0471 BTC [+] {6}

05:57

;;premium btce

05:57

(premium <market1> <market2>) -- Calculate the premium of market1 over market2, using last trade price. Uses USD exchange rate. If USD is not traded on one of the target markets, queries currency conversion from google.

05:58

;;premium btceusd

05:58

(premium <market1> <market2>) -- Calculate the premium of market1 over market2, using last trade price. Uses USD exchange rate. If USD is not traded on one of the target markets, queries currency conversion from google.

05:58

;;premium btce bitstamp

05:58

Premium of BTC-E over Bitstamp is currently 0.945137618451 %.

06:02

;;premium btce huobi

06:02

Error: This is not one of the supported markets. Please choose one of ['bcent', 'btcn', 'coinbase', 'cbx', 'bitmynt', 'btsp', 'btcavg', 'krk', 'btcde', 'btce', 'bfx'].

06:02

racists

06:07

lel

06:11

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00094795 = 7.2992 BTC [+] {2}

~ 46 minutes ~

06:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13994 @ 0.00094124 = 13.1717 BTC [-] {2}

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07:14

http://blog.freenode.net/2014/04/googleplusfreenode/

07:19

jadne

chetty: so terrible

07:19

jadne

hardly even counts as trying

07:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00094055 = 20.4099 BTC [-] {2}

07:21

punkman

!t m x.eur

07:21

[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0025 / 0.0025 / 0.0025 (432 shares, 1.08 BTC), 30D: 0.0019005 / 0.00214608 / 0.0025 (3831 shares, 8.22 BTC)

07:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31328 @ 0.00094936 = 29.7416 BTC [+] {2}

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08:00

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06597999 = 0.132 BTC [+]

08:01

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.00578757 = 0.3762 BTC [+] {5}

08:03

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05739958 = 0.1148 BTC [+]

08:04

http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/bitcoin-could-revolutionize-voting

08:04

;;google site:trilema.com electoral bitcoin

08:04

Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>; Wikileaks - MLXIII pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/wikileaks-mlxiii>; It working and you being competent pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/it-working-and-you-being-competent/>

08:04

;;google site:trilema.com electoral system bitcoin

08:04

Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>; Why MPEx is better than fiat institutions, part 930458 : we don't use ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/why-mpex-is-better-than-fiat-institutions-part-930458-we-don%E2%80%99t-use-lube/>; It working and you being competent pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/it-working- (1 more message)

08:07

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0075 = 0.375 BTC [+]

08:10

morning good channel

08:11

;;ticker

08:11

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 476.99, Best ask: 479.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.01000, Last trade: 479.0, 24 hour volume: 24191.52407663, 24 hour low: 446.02, 24 hour high: 509.98, 24 hour vwap: 470.685034162

08:11

morning!

08:12

;;coin

08:12

heads

08:13

morning

08:13

fuckin snowpocalypse here

08:13

40cm overnight

08:13

poor canadians

08:13

they don't get spring time

08:13

i'm waiting for mother nature to pop out and say APRIL FOOLS LELELEL

08:14

nubbins` tis global warming.

08:14

one of the biggest mistakes ever was referring to man-made climate change as such

08:14

deck the halls in boughs of snowy

08:14

lalalala la la la laaa

08:15

in other news, coinbase may have been hacked.

08:15

i suspect one of the biggest mistakes ever would be to try and rescue the stupidity of global warming by semantics.

08:15

antephialtic myeah.

08:15

except you know, they are "professional" and thus fail to communicate.

08:16

they had a security issue that allowed user accounts to be enumerated, and I suspect that is the problem, that scammers are trying to combine that with fake info and sell as a real dump

08:16

but the hacker also has names associated with accounts

08:16

and offered to give password hash + last 4 digits of credit card if I pm'd him my email (which I didn't)

08:16

somewhat concerning

08:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12922 @ 0.00095014 = 12.2777 BTC [+]

08:17

someone shared this in -otc earlier

08:17

http://pastebin.com/RzWipJFb

08:17

,-----. ,--. - Pastebin.com

08:17

I don't have any funds in coinbase, but they are a major point of centralization

08:17

well, i'm looking how will mircea call it when when half of oceania finally drowns

08:17

prolly he'll just call them stupid and move on

08:17

jurov: "all a big scam" ;p

08:17

https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/450692492741320705 antephialtic :p

08:17

Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: http://t.co/KE3CB9NVZq Today ...

08:17

OH MY GOD A SNOW PLOW

08:18

mircea_popescu: that is the aformentioned user email enumeration issue

08:18

don't i just feel silly for shovelling a walking path down the middle of my street

08:18

jurov half of "oceania" is what exactly, some islands ?

08:18

oceania is not a thing

08:18

the hackers claim to have actually pwned coinbase

08:18

oceania are islnds by definition

08:18

jurov just saying, i called it stupid and moved on when i was about 9

08:18

has nothing to do with this

08:18

ah "not a thing"... another mp's canned reply

08:19

it's not canned, i make them up fresh.

08:19

asciilifeform forwarded you some mile long email, mostly because i have no consideration for your time apparently.

08:20

but also because who knows, could be a comedy goldmine.

08:20

jurov no but seriously, what, some coral reefs ? some volcanic islands a mile wide ? this is something someone should care about ?

08:21

tickle the volcanoes, make a whole new "oceania"

08:22

antephialtic myeah.

08:23

anyways, its just alarming because the full name stuff is apparently real and doesn't seem possible to have been acquired by the email enumeration attack

08:23

probably leveraged it.

08:23

probably.

08:23

wtf freenode+

08:23

as someone said, when therer's a cockroach in plain sight, that's never the only cockroach around.

08:24

yeah I suppose they could have just used the emails to google for the names and then released that as a "partial dump"

08:24

when all they really had was the emails, and they were trying to get some idiot to buy their fake dump

08:25

http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends.shtml

08:25

Sea Level Trends - NOAA Tides & Currents

08:25

they also released the known but apparently not widely known fact that coinbase is forwarding all tx history to teh us alphabet soup on a daily basis.

08:25

here the north sees sea level going down because glaciers melt and earth goes up because of reduced weight

08:25

jurov: http://imgur.com/Ydmf7Xl

08:26

hahaha

08:26

XD

08:26

but in tropics, everyone who lives in few meters above seal level is going to have problem sooner or later

08:26

trying to make the best of this april 1, the weather isn't helping

08:26

nubbins` yup :)

08:26

mp: yeah the hacker claimed to have found a file on their server called "compliance_dailysftp.rb" that uploaded a daily dump to IRS/FinCEN/FBI

08:27

jurov everyone is going to have problems sooner or later anyway. that's the definition of problems.

08:27

I asked them to pastebin it, then the guy told me to fuck off :)

08:27

antephialtic there's reasons we don't trust coinbase after all.

08:27

the only credible thing about that was that it is known their site is implemented in ruby on rails

08:27

what site isn't?!

08:27

no, i'll certify it if you care.

08:27

(lel)

08:27

as long as the problem don't cause mass migrations, it's fine

08:28

jurov well mass migrations out of oceania seems to be against your definition of oceania

08:28

mass migrations out of the tropics have been a thing since the 50s

08:28

the 1850s.

08:28

southeast asia will be the next

08:28

because the tropics suck ass, because they had run a welfare system for centuries.

08:29

i, for one, am looking forward to warmer summers, if not a drastic increase in the price of food

08:29

nubbins`: you forgot to draw welfare/socialist button

08:29

jurov i wanted to strike while the iron was hot ;(

08:29

i even forgot the "global warming" button

08:29

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.04463333 = 0.2678 BTC [-] {3}

08:29

nubbins` ya srsly, how about you make a much bigger board ? this topic deserves some attention

08:30

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05560027 = 0.1668 BTC [-]

08:30

anyway, re: global warming, what are ya, michael crichton? ;p

08:31

who's that ?

08:31

"was an American best-selling author"

08:31

by now that's pretty much become my "close page" cue

08:31

heh.

08:31

read his book "state of fear", you'd love it

08:32

he wrote jurassic park, among others

08:32

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Fear

08:32

State of Fear - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

08:32

"Most climate scientists dispute Crichton's science as being error-filled and distorted,[1][2][3][4][5][6] and it was described as "pure porn for global warming deniers" by one skeptical science journalist. [7]"

08:33

anyway. me leling at the pseudoscience of others does not promote me to the rank of pseudoscience author.

08:33

crichton was interesting in that he's the only novelist i can think of who included a lengthy bibliography in each book

08:34

"In March 2006, [journalist Michael] Crowley wrote a strongly critical review of State of Fear, focusing on Crichton's stance on global warming. In the same year, Crichton published the novel Next, which contains a minor character named "Mick Crowley", who is a Yale graduate and a Washington D.C.based political columnist. The character was portrayed as a child molester with a small penis. The

08:34

character does not appear elsewhere in the book."

08:34

ahahaha

08:35

this i can get behind.

08:36

anyway, lels aside, he wrote good fiction. his early stuff -- the andromeda strain, the terminal man, the great train robbery, eaters of the dead, congo... all good

08:37

almost all of his novels were eventually made into shitty movies, ghosts of their former selves

08:37

but that's the way it goes

08:37

not necessarily.

08:37

you don't HAVE TO option the book

08:37

well, ^

08:38

not anymore than you have to be "professional" on tardstalk or w/e.

08:38

you don't HAVE TO write your critics into subsequent novels as micro-dick diddlers either :D

08:38

no, that you have to do.

08:38

heh.

08:38

there's haves and then there's have nots, see ?

08:39

any of you ever read jonathan carroll?

08:39

^ is that a button or a switch? ;D

08:39

ante nope

08:39

nubbins` lmao the switch is in here : http://trilema.com/2011/cum-se-bate-femeia/

08:39

name a good one

08:39

surrealist fiction. highly enjoyable. I recommend the Land of Laughs

08:39

heh!

08:40

its a bit sentimental for the crypto-anarchist type, but I enjoy it nonetheless

08:40

kinda looking forward to a full edition mp space cadet kbd.

08:41

antephialtic: as someone who's into g.g. marquez, i don't mind sentimentalism or surrealism ;D

08:41

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 89 @ 0.0055011 = 0.4896 BTC [+] {3}

08:42

snowplow just came and pushed the contents of the street back onto my front step. gotta get back outside

08:42

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 75 @ 0.0058419 = 0.4381 BTC [+] {2}

08:43

enjoy!

08:44

random question: anyone ever tried to reset satoshi's email password before? only required info is birthdate

08:44

i doubt he was dumb enough to leave any identifying info there, but it would be interesting nonetheless

08:45

well how would we know what someone tried ?

08:45

have you ?

08:54

i've tried before, but after 3 (uninformed) guesses, the account got temporarily locked. Seems pretty reasonable to do over a long period of time (assuming gmx isn't smart enough to stop it)

08:54

it would probably be easier to just bribe a gmx employee

08:55

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61754 = 1.2351 BTC [+] {2}

08:55

http://bitbet.us/bet/609/bitcoin-difficulty-to-fall#b32

08:55

BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty to fall

08:55

check that shit out. falling, srsly ?

09:01

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/03/31/covered-california-sends-deaf-callers-to-hotline-offering-hot-ladies/

09:01

Covered California Sends Deaf Callers To Hotline Offering ‘Hot Ladies’ « CBS Sacramento

09:03

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/02/world/middleeast/jonathan-pollard.html?hp

09:04

man, israel just owns the US. How is it that Israel and Palestine are the ones in conflict, yet, the US is making concessions??

09:04

the new and much easier to read mpoe statement :

09:04

http://trilema.com/2014/mpoe-march-2014-statement/

09:04

MPOE, March 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

09:04

antephialtic gotta pay to play.

09:04

this is analogous to the judge allowing Charlie Shrem to bang his daughter in exchange for him accepting a plea bargain

09:05

makes no sense.

09:06

mpoe-pr no more????

09:06

Kerry want to claim he made mideast peace

09:07

jurov aye.

09:08

i thought she just moved to new forum?

09:08

antephialtic no, it's much more like the judge allowing the two unkempt youths fuck his teenaged daughter in exchange of not having his car all scratched up.

09:08

does she still get paid even though she got banned?

09:08

pLambert well she didn't get banned in march

09:09

what am i going to do, run mr scrooge's offices over here ?

09:09

depends on where you live

09:09

asciilifeform she wants a break.

09:09

Isn't that how you get rich, byy acting like scrooge? ;)

09:09

nah.

09:09

i got rich by acting like gotti.

09:10

mircea_popescu: i marvel that she lasted this long - my dosimeter turns full black from just reading that phorum for a few min.

09:10

two years just about

09:10

actually...

09:11

hum the forum's down

09:11

but yes, feb 27th. she made it 25 months.

09:12

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 28 @ 0.00415917 = 0.1165 BTC [+] {8}

09:13

!t hl rent

09:13

[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00714000 / 0.00749986 / 0.00750000 (15688 shares, 117.65784000 BTC), 7D: 0.00525030 / 0.00721312 / 0.00750000 (20401 shares, 147.15492901 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.0061131 / 0.00900001 (61828 shares, 377.96051440 BTC)

09:14

ColdHardMetal

I'd say you got your money's worth.

09:15

ColdHardMetal always a risky proposition, bitcoin divestment for fiat. who knows, maybe in a decade i live to regret it :p

09:15

ColdHardMetal

we can only hope :)

09:15

the strange things we hope for.

09:17

!ticker m s.mpoe

09:17

[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0009404 / 0.0009483 / 0.00095556 (1585392 shares, 1,503.43 BTC), 7D: 0.00092844 / 0.00094386 / 0.00095875 (6748749 shares, 6,369.90 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00087539 / 0.00096 (29415142 shares, 25,749.77 BTC)

09:19

⚠ URGENT: Сoinbase hacked. We just sent you a request to pay 999999.99999999 BTC (worth €354,414,446.99 EUR) using Coinbase.

09:19

Click here to sign in and complete this payment LOLOLOLOL

09:19

derp.

09:20

funniest scam i have seen recently

09:20

it's not really a scam

09:20

well... i mean.... uh.

09:20

it is a scam, obviously. it's not without coinbase's involvement tho, which is what i mean. htey're using the same infrastructure a legit merchant would be using.

09:21

ColdHardMetal

I got one of those from: fuckingspammer@mailinator.com at least they're forthright about it.

09:21

i thought it was an april fools thing because of the ridiculously high numbers

09:21

and the emails

09:21

moiety and you clicked, just for fun?

09:21

i dont use coinbase lol someone showed me what they got

09:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21029 @ 0.0009404 = 19.7757 BTC [-]

09:22

twitter's been going pretty nuts over my repaste there.

09:24

tweeter? i havent been today yet

09:24

lies i did earlier

09:25

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.064 = 0.128 BTC [-]

09:26

http://i.imgur.com/NCBsGMt.png?1 thats the coinbase snip i was shown

09:26

i received exactly the text i pasted (minus the trailing LOLOLOL)

09:27

any truth to this? http://pastebin.com/RzWipJFb

09:27

"Coinbase provides your full transaction history to the FBI, FinCEN and IRS every day. They are under a gag order."

09:28

cazalla log ?

09:28

damn

09:29

guess I'm bitcoins on the street for now on

09:29

thats pretty messed up if true

09:29

mircea_popescu: it was on front page of /r/bitcoin

09:29

no i mean, the answer to your q is in teh log.

09:29

maybe someone is just taking advantage of the leaked emails to spread more bullshit

09:29

notrly.

09:30

yeah, i'm behind

09:30

there's a reason we don't trust the bitcoin scam foundation bunch.

09:31

here's a short convo I had with the hacker

09:31

http://0bin.net/paste/hzZBFHPDAbQwhsD2#vKhxu0kyCg8fFDyoU4ERmG8vyr0KK0xrO/3cqJ+lRLI=

09:31

0bin - encrypted pastebin

09:31

or, rather his messenger

09:31

(obviously I wasn't going to buy the dump)

09:32

just wanted to see if the hack was real

09:32

ah, nubbins` already posted it, mb

09:32

coinbase joke is stupid

09:33

so it is a joke tat?

09:37

obv

09:37

they were so scared people would think it was real they put hack in the subject of the email

09:37

the point of April Fools is for the target to think it's real

09:38

it's like Troll Appreciation Day

09:38

well 10 chinese bitcoiners did get executed today by the chinese gov, i don't think they're laughing

09:40

no, but they are happy

09:41

VanCleef: I googled that - chinese bitcoiners executed, first result is a laugh

09:41

"Bitcoiners prefer finance and kindles to sex"

09:42

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2593755/The-subway-train-climb-skyscraper-Radical-new-concept-vertical-stations-New-york-London.html

09:42

Hyper Speed Vertical Train Hub proposed for New York and London | Mail Online

09:42

reading

09:42

lol

09:42

the illustrations with the birds...

09:46

look kakobrekla now your ?trick is immortalised : https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/450987172683055104

09:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.0009405 = 8.9818 BTC [+]

09:55

ThickAsThieves: i thought as much because of the emails and the fact all the amounts were so stupidly high

09:56

question, why are US capital gains tax tiers gated by the one-year term? and is it appropriate to apply such to bitcoin under those reasons.

09:57

i think its obamas fault

09:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11864 @ 0.00094407 = 11.2004 BTC [+] {2}

09:57

i assume it's to promote longer terms of invetsment, but is that to benefit the dollar itself, or to promote longer-term invetsments in the economy of the country?

10:04

ThickAsThieves you really must ask a tax accountant that.

10:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00094039 = 9.4979 BTC [-] {2}

10:05

my own guess would be that it's one of those quirks that end up in legislation of dual party systems

10:05

ie, some nonsense both sides were too tired and too tied down other places to argue

10:06

as you said, its to incentivize long term investment over short term speculation

10:06

wow i thought youd have the usual make-me-feel-like-an-idiot answer

10:06

i am disappoint

10:06

:)

10:07

lol nubbins` add a switch pls.

10:07

antephialtic, but why

10:07

you are [an idiot/wasting my time/first against the wall when i am king]

10:07

because old people who vote tend to buy and hold over the long term. but uncle sam wants some of those sweet profits from the prop traders on wall street

10:08

i doubt thats the reason on record

10:08

and as a form of social engineering to make the capital markets more stable

10:08

sooo.... someone just sent a 2btc donation to mah trilema credits address ?

10:08

ty, kind sir.

10:08

it would seem it promotes/protects inflation somewhat

10:08

nubbins` no, more like "if you throw this the op feels like an idiot"

10:08

heh

10:08

tat this is related to http://imgur.com/Ydmf7Xl

10:09

TBH "bitcoin is here to cum" might be my favourite

10:09

the20year2

Major news : Berkshire hathaway acquires RENT.

10:09

i thought they just bought the month of april.

10:10

the20year2

Just april the 1st

10:10

har har

10:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.00094465 = 33.8185 BTC [+] {2}

10:11

nubbins` do you have a @twitter or too hipster for THAT too, in adition to atc ?

10:11

https://twitter.com/jon_keefe mostly abandoned

10:11

JK (jon_keefe) on Twitter

10:11

MPOE-PR : "whai are you a muffin of pubic hair with a sausage finger?!"

10:11

the obvious answer being, "because that's what nubbins` makes : sausages"

10:11

heh.

10:12

that's your beard

10:12

overhead shot obv

10:12

why is mpoe-pr a muffin of pubic hair with a sausage finger?

10:12

;D

10:13

lol

10:14

the log's even better : mircea_popescu: a hair MPOE-PR you "whai : are of sausage a finger?!" pubic with muffin

10:14

14:11:52

10:14

mircea_popescu: makes nubbins` that's : being, obvious answer sausages" "because the what

10:15

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2014#596613 ftw

10:15

#bitcoin-assets log

10:15

;;later tell decimation epic quote, i shall use it!

10:15

The operation succeeded.

10:21

so lemme push everyone's favourite button then.

10:21

http://24.media.tumblr.com/c8a06a01154cdf78222c69e79f4190f4/tumblr_mj8qtnW5CH1s7eb1eo1_500.jpg

10:22

haha

10:22

dude my girlfriend's sitting 1 inch from me

10:23

better stop clicking links then

10:23

welcome to the internet, gf

10:23

why so short ?

10:23

1 inch isn't much

10:23

it's the leftove rinch

10:23

14:22:51locksmith:inch from me sitting dude my girlfriend's 1

10:23

haahhaahah

10:23

lol good one tat.

10:24

locksmith http://trilema.com/2014/cunt-size-discussion-this-is-guaranteed-to-be-weird/ << read her that for a bedtime story.

10:24

"inside" jokes ftw

10:25

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.61995572 = 11.7792 BTC [+] {5}

10:25

in other news: http://www.newsit.com.cy/default.php?pname=Article&art_id=134250&catid=31

10:25

just read the article as well, I can translate it for anyone interested

10:26

locksmith go ahead

10:26

summary tho pls.

10:26

yep. (it's saying stuff discussed over at btctalk but whatever)

10:26

title: "NeoBee ceo nowhere to be found"

10:27

- trading of company's stock halted

10:27

http://imgur.com/blog/2014/03/31/introducing-imgur-viralizer/

10:27

imgur: the simple imgur blog

10:27

wouldn't it be ironic if neobee ends up getting more press for free now than they got back when they were paying for it ?

10:28

they're saying that them (newsit.com,cy) as well as Politis newspaper tried to contact the company and could not get ahodl of them

10:28

"Coinbase provides your full transaction history to the FBI, FinCEN and IRS every day. They are under a gag order."

10:28

TaT: do you actually know why the shares stopped trading?

10:28

i believe a reason was given publically, no?

10:29

also the article goes on and on wondering how many people danny took money from

10:29

and then just translates bits and pieces from the coindesk article

10:29

locksmith hopefully they don't keep on with this or else maged might ban newsit.com.cy

10:29

including danny's supposed "quote"

10:29

"questionable trading"

10:29

... what really happened

10:30

antephialtic my own theory, as a completely uninvolved observer, is this :

10:30

havelock is under a lot of pressure because all their scammy assets are turning into a visible loss, so rather than man up to it they prefer to simply close trading as the bubbles pop.

10:31

i think havelock will close down sometime this year

10:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18240 @ 0.00094769 = 17.2859 BTC [+] {3}

10:31

Neo compliance officer did make a formal recommendation to halt

10:31

I'm an uninvolved observer as well but have 2 individual sources within Neo. the hard truth is that for the past week the employees could not get ahold of DB, and their paychecks will probably not be met for the month of March (they haven't been paid yet from what I know)

10:31

http://bitbet.us/bet/617/and-then-there-was-one/

10:31

BitBet - And Then There Was One

10:31

ThickAsThieves locksmith these things seem a little contradictory.

10:32

(also uninvolved, just curious)

10:32

locksmith, seems like a very elaborate scam, no? why not just steal all the money after the IPO, why go to all the trouble of building a storefront and advertising, etc.

10:33

antephialtic i dunno that scam was ever seriously argued other than as a technicality.

10:33

and MP, that explains the trading freeze, not the disappearance of the CEO

10:34

regardless of the tradeing being stopped, surely a competent/engaged CEO would have issued a statement to reassure investors?

10:34

I haven't called scam. all I'm saying is that they got to a point where they can't pay back their creditors. i.e. they owe over 150,000 euros to their marketing/pr firm Telia & Pavla BBDO

10:34

what about all the capital they raised?

10:34

down the toilet?

10:34

http://www.reddit.com/r/neobee/comments/21x29e/a_new_forum_or_board_is_required/ WE BELIEVE

10:34

A new forum or board is required : neobee

10:34

antephialtic didja read the http://trilema.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/ ?

10:35

mp: will do

10:35

just sayin, whatever the issue is, it isn't solely with havelock

10:35

^ just posted clear example

10:35

ain't no drama like bitcoin drama

10:35

kinda why the price is up i guess.

10:36

bitcoin, still backed by lulz and drama.

10:36

yes, neobee causing bitcoin to soar

10:37

also, something not said anywhere else: danny announced to his employees on thursday the 13th that he was left in his wallet with 100btc while someone overlooked into his pc and saw a bitstamp account with WAY more than that

10:37

bitcoin is a fractal of entertaining scams

10:38

lewicki

breaking the bitstamp 2fa is no small feet...

10:38

I wouldn't be surprised if he was also deep into the karpeles thing, he was looking into a flight to go to japan from cyprus through dubai and couldn't find connecting flights at dubai

10:39

lewicki - his account was locked in and someone saw it when danny was still on his pc

10:39

all this are rumours of course, just to keep us entertained as the tower crumbles.

10:39

!ticker m s.mpoe

10:39

[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00094007 / 0.00094763 / 0.00095556 (1579375 shares, 1,496.67 BTC), 7D: 0.00092844 / 0.00094377 / 0.00095875 (6788064 shares, 6,406.40 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00087566 / 0.00096 (29481818 shares, 25,816.18 BTC)

10:39

locksmith well sure, the guy kept trying to buy relevancy, first with his clueless stumble into the bf thing, then probably derping around mtgox,

10:40

thestringpuller report was out earlier btw.

10:40

yea read it, poor mpoe-pr

10:40

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06687999 = 0.2006 BTC [+]

10:40

she's taking a break you said?

10:40

well originally it was ok, so moving over to .lk, but then she was like listen, can i have some time off nao ?

10:41

and i really don't see how i could've said no.

10:41

things have a way of working themselves out sometimes

10:41

indubitably.

10:41

she'll come back to obvious purpose prolly

10:42

MPOE-PR deserves a holiday.

10:42

inasmuch as any person deserves their sanity.

10:42

i know few people who could've done it, what she did

10:42

and they're all women.

10:43

yes, she deserves. and yes

10:53

[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 77 @ 0.00162119 = 0.1248 BTC [-] {13}

10:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34528 @ 0.00094967 = 32.7902 BTC [+] {2}

10:56

;;later tell cads no, it's not that romanian nerds fail to be socially inept. is that romanian teenage queens fail to be socially apt, and so the nerds have no contrasting background to stand out against.

10:56

The operation succeeded.

10:57

moiety wait, you're pregnant ?!

10:58

lolol! no i was passing on news about someone else, mircea_popescu XD

10:59

http://rt.com/news/britain-law-children-abuse-405/ < derpiest 1st of april thing yet.

10:59

only problem is - it is not a joke :(

11:00

nubbins` the part i don't understand are the bottom left buttons. an d and an a ? whay ?

11:00

"making them a scapegoat" - thought thats one of the reasons for having kids?

11:00

that's an O and an A

11:01

'cause you're always saying "a a now i get it" or "o"

11:01

moiety, +1

11:01

as someone who grew up with these words being spelled "ah" and "oh", respectively, this always struck me as quaint

11:02

oic

11:02

btcalpha accountants say: mpoe march revenue should be 180.37141356, not 139.62178334

11:02

well my a is an ah, but my o isn't really an oh. much more acute.

11:03

mike_c btcalpha accountants are indeed wise.

11:03

buncha pencil pushers

11:03

i grew up with it spelt oh but i keep typing o since coming here lol

11:04

well mohiety, that'd be because you're flexible.

11:04

heh

11:05

mirceah pohpescu

11:06

time for shovelling (round 5)

11:06

nubbins` did i ever tell you about that one time i had to do it ?

11:06

lolol

11:07

http://gawker.com/does-mt-goxs-ceo-have-a-secret-history-of-online-payme-1534752110

11:07

Does Mt.Gox's CEO Have a Secret History of Committing Fraud?

11:07

at the risk of beating a dead, if fat, horse.

11:07

my friend dug out a race track for his dog in his garden

11:07

short answer, yes

11:07

very dodgy character

11:09

davout / pankkake what'd be your english rendition of "souricière" ?

11:09

mousetrap?

11:10

well obviously

11:10

is it the lock-up in the police station where they keep people pre-warrant ?

11:10

yes, that too

11:11

gawker's french is worse than mine.

11:11

you'd think, you know, for some progressive libtards wearing no bras because their mothers burned them in paris in 68

11:12

they'd have a more cursive mastery of that language.

11:12

whatcha referring to?

11:12

earlier linked piece

11:12

http://gawker.com/does-mt-goxs-ceo-have-a-secret-history-of-online-payme-1534752110

11:12

Does Mt.Gox's CEO Have a Secret History of Committing Fraud?

11:12

ah

11:13

yes, they got the souricière thing wrong

11:13

it doesn't refer to entrapment but more to the cell itself

11:13

right.

11:13

"The Bitcoin community will surely learn a number of lessons from the Mt. Gox disaster, and here is a simple one: when investing in Bitcoin, make sure the guy you're trusting with your money doesn't have a secret past committing fraud. Even if that means finding someone who knows French."

11:13

that part at least is workable.

11:13

though they should take their own advice :D

11:13

yes, the bitcoin community totally has a history of learning from lessons

11:14

vaguely related,

11:14

http://gawkersucks.blogspot.ro/2013/01/hey-jordan-sargent-fix-your-article.html

11:14

Gawker Sucks: Hey Jordan Sargent: Fix your article

11:15

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06689832 = 0.4014 BTC [+] {3}

11:17

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21xcde/neo_bee_employees_unpaid_and_unable_to_contact/

lol that's like "make sure you don't disclose anything to secret agent"

11:19

aclot

11:19

aclot

:)

11:19

http://www.reddit.com/r/neobee/comments/21xfdf/is_it_possible_the_person_selling_those_shares/

11:19

Is it possible the person selling those shares was Danny Brewster? : neobee

11:20

lulz

11:20

aclot

bwah

11:20

much lol.

11:22

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21xcde/neo_bee_employees_unpaid_and_unable_to_contact/cghcvfn

11:22

JuicyGrabs comments on Neo & Bee employees unpaid and unable to contact CEO @BtcDanny

11:22

i like that part.

11:23

for my numerous crimes of having known about various future pops months/weeks in advance, i shall henceforth be known as mp_goldstein

11:24

<JuicyGrabs> I didn't "lose" anything because I don't invest for short term and to be swayed by trolls and paid shills. I used this chance to buy more.

11:25

mp_steinberg

11:26

which steinberg ?

11:26

mp_nostradamos

11:27

antephialtic he's fine, his investment is for the longest term.

11:27

infinite term.

11:27

till death do us part

11:28

st peter's book of investments.

11:31

they should have named the company herp & derp

11:32

the neo forum name was taken

11:33

soo, someone had pointed out an error with the bitbet dividend last month ?

11:35

seems somewhat frequent to have numbers errors in mpex reports/divs

11:35

yup

11:36

testing your devotees?

11:36

well i think there's less error here than the average, really

11:36

his calculator needs new batteries

11:36

just that my shit gets caught all the time

11:38

ive removed btctalk from my bookmarks

11:38

feels good to not check it anymore

11:40

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00583019 = 0.1049 BTC [+]

11:40

http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-march-2014-statement/

11:40

BitBet, March 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

11:41

i see an error!

11:41

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06400204 = 0.32 BTC [-]

11:41

what!

11:41

April Fool's!

11:42

god dangit

11:42

:)

11:42

"It’s just fingershaped happenstance."

11:42

lol

11:43

also since we're on bitbet, and since ppl are asking like http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/#c2703

11:43

anyone bored could make a tool to add up the balances in publicly displayed addies as an open audit thing

11:43

tell kako to use the beer fund

11:44

or bitbet's, more appropriately

11:44

seems a worthy cause

11:44

course this probably understates bitbet controlled btc, seeing how if a large chunk is used to make a small payment the remainder is still bitbet's, but anyway

11:44

could provide a constant link to dynamic audit

11:44

ThickAsThieves well if it's house-released it's not the same thing

11:44

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06400204 = 0.32 BTC [-]

11:44

pretty fancy really

11:44

i'd rather decentralize etc.

11:45

blockchain is already decentralized, dont be so forumite

11:45

people are constantly asking "well how to acquire respek and a wot weight". this is *precisely* how

11:45

the only centralized part is bitbet expenses and disclosure

11:46

lurk here, pick one of these that's a good fit for you and run with it. they're like... at LEAST weekly occurences.

11:46

the rest could be blockchain-dynamic

11:46

ThickAsThieves expenses aren't really that centralised. i mean which lines ?

11:46

house bets made is public,

11:46

rectifications are public,

11:47

referrals i guess aren't public.

11:47

expenses?

11:47

i just mean why stop at proving you have the coins

11:47

your whole book could be dynamic

11:47

sure.

11:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16984 @ 0.00094075 = 15.9777 BTC [-]

11:47

derpstributed application bitbet

11:48

provably solvent

11:48

provably fair

11:48

provably homosexual

11:48

etc

11:48

provably fucking your wife

11:48

too slow!

11:48

darn

11:49

this discussion reads a lolt better in the lolg.

11:51

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06869731 = 0.3435 BTC [+]

11:51

bitbet is now a dac

11:51

april fewls

11:51

http://projectbullrun.org/dual-ec/index.html

11:51

Dual EC DRBG

11:52

nice writup of NSA fucking up all the codez

11:52

dac ?

11:53

"Adamantiadis' code recovers the state from 30 output bytes within 12.1 seconds on the reference CPU."

11:53

distributed autonomous corporation

11:53

it'd be soooo lulzy to get -pr to troll btctalk with that

11:53

SO LULZ

11:53

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0686973 = 0.7557 BTC [-] {4}

11:53

bitcoin might go up 100 dollars on the lulz

11:54

"popescu reverses stance on colored coins"

11:54

"ethereum ready for big boy time"

11:54

oh lol

11:54

be great

11:55

just buy ethereum to kill it

11:55

show how weak it is and teach its supporters

11:55

no its too good

11:55

they're killing it just fine on its own

11:55

why give them money.

11:56

https://twitter.com/jonwaller/status/449909784419270656/photo/1

11:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.00094017 = 37.4188 BTC [-] {2}

11:56

Twitter / jonwaller: We had a great #Ethereum ...

11:56

severe lack of beards

11:57

some beards grow inside the neck.

11:57

punkman1

beards = trust

11:57

programming with their tablets

11:57

what the fuck would be going through a weirdo's mind that sported an OHIO tshirt

11:57

punkman1

MP's glorious beard being the most trustworthy

11:57

i mean, obscure band, i can see. you're hoping to hop the solist/celist

11:57

but obscure state ?!

11:57

read the shirt though

11:58

ok it got even lamer.

11:59

a-ha! https://twitter.com/FixmypcRo/status/447036724569702401/photo/1

11:59

all their beards combined into one

11:59

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.47941077 BTC to 4`937 shares, 50221 satoshi per share

11:59

sheeeit

11:59

that looks just like my pubic hair.

12:00

https://twitter.com/Vlad_Roberto/status/447102599674621952

12:01

this guy's pretty epic. "i do ixcoin. i think it'll be huge"

12:01

should change his name to banya.

12:01

sublime text

12:01

anyway, meanwhile at Chateau d'Evil, http://31.media.tumblr.com/733c20c6aa6e43421e8082b4cd9ee446/tumblr_mj8quhsSxT1s7eb1eo1_500.jpg

12:02

hey I found ceoDanny

12:02

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Screen-Shot-2014-04-01-at-9.01.14-AM-620x403.png

12:02

long legs almost excuse a beard.

12:03

chetty neobee didn't have a lambo. afaik that's bitpay

12:04

well he has had time to get one

12:04

bitpay wastes a lot of money

12:05

artifexd

How the hell can you code on a tablet? The lack of pixels alone...

12:05

artifexd i never understood it.

12:06

thestringpuller: how so?

12:07

artifexd: if you don't strive for efficiency in your process in the first place...

12:08

antephialtic: They spend astronomically more money in comparison to MP's companies...

12:08

im being mindfucked by the logs

12:08

artifexd

I'm used to working on multiple 30" monitors so the thought of working on a 7" tablet scares me.

12:08

so I'd imagine they are spending in excess

12:09

I dont even like coding on a laptop if I can help it

12:10

ugh fix the logs

12:10

actually nvm

12:10

seriously what is this 19:50:13 mircea_popescu: tumbler, an great bitbet but use how properly this so a much is in purpose, moreover isn't for to trivial how designed is on showing this anyway, it as any service exercise

12:10

i'm sure nothing happened

12:10

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2014#520188

12:10

#bitcoin-assets log

12:10

chetty: some day this year i'll get an office and move back to multiple monitors

12:11

i spent a few mins reading and i was trying to figure out if im really fucking high or the logs are broken

12:11

but for now, cafe lifestyle

12:11

Mats_cd03: did you check the date?

12:11

i'm considering telling a PM that all of his company's backups failed and have been corrupted for the past month.

12:12

this is worse than ponies, youre ruining my coffee time

12:12

Mats_cd03: you've been april fooled :) try this: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?stopitkako&date=20-02-2014#520188

12:12

happy april

12:12

stoppitkako well done

12:12

artifexd

lol @ stopitkako

12:12

thx ily mike_c

12:13

mike_c: i for one do not appreciate the fix

12:13

now i have to read the logs

12:14

i know, right? no days off around here

12:16

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2014&bots=true#596065

12:16

#bitcoin-assets log

12:16

i see you debugging -assets in production, mike_c

12:17

Mats_cd03 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?stopitkako&date=20-02-2014#520188

12:17

i didn't figure out the algorithm.

12:17

darn too slow again

12:17

mike_c prolly just random sort ?

12:17

phprand

12:18

aynrand

12:18

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34308 @ 0.0009409 = 32.2804 BTC [+] {2}

12:18

rand-ish

12:18

yeah the entropy on it is bad, no cardano sorry guise.

12:18

what kind of cabal is this anyways

12:19

what are we doing tonight brain?

12:20

fucking ourselves out ?

12:26

;;later tell Duffer1 NASA was just a wholehearted theft of european talent. nothing endogenous to the USA.

12:26

The operation succeeded.

12:26

s/wholehearted/wholesale

12:28

asciilifeform:just about every interesting technology attributed to a mega-organization was done on 'stolen time.' << yeah, as always, asciilifeform has it

12:28

i feel like i've asked this before, but: bitbet revenue line 'fees from refunds'. how are fees that bitbet paid considered revenue?

12:28

1%

12:28

oh oh

12:28

right

12:29

i was thinking tx fees on sending out refunds

12:29

brb found an error in the rectification o.o

12:29

bitbet also mining farm

12:29

actually : this is a good matter for public consultation.

12:29

APE-WIL FEWLS

12:30

so : last month bitbet made 3.68215306 btc, which should have gone as follows : 1.104645918 should have gone to the public shareholders, 1.288753571 to kako and 1.288753571 to me.

12:30

this because we still hold 70% of the shares, not yet listed.

12:30

through my mistake 3.68215306 have gone to the public shareholders instead.

12:30

how would teh wise other ppl rectify this problem in the current report ?

12:32

what can you do? mark it under expense and carry forward.

12:33

no because that degrades the dividends owed on the 70% of shares not listed

12:34

the guys that made the error?

12:34

overpay yourself and kako in the same amount, then carry forward the expense.

12:34

screws future investors, but they can see that in the report and take it into consideration.

12:34

the question lies in whether and where the culpability lies

12:35

i think it is not the shareholders that should be owed

12:35

http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-march-2014-statement/

12:35

BitBet, March 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

12:35

not really. the company accountant screwed up. can't penalize specific shareholders for that

12:35

i think this is a better solution

12:35

"make the mistake larger" seems the wron way to go

12:36

so bitbet/you/accountant are eating the loss?

12:36

ThickAsThieves no ? it's just a floating charge against public share dividents.

12:36

i disagree with that

12:36

because why ?

12:36

account should be settled at time of report

12:37

that redces to "every corp should dissolve"

12:37

its meant to read that an error was made and that cant be undone by carrying it over

12:37

as mentioned,

12:37

it fucks up trading of shares

12:38

i suppose a shareholder should read footnotes and know he'll come in owing some divs

12:38

but...

12:38

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4000 @ 0.00040028 = 1.6011 BTC [-] {20}

12:38

but what ?

12:38

but now it is more confusing. there is no line item for that charge.

12:38

mike_c myeah

12:39

ThickAsThieves what happens if one month the revenue from closing bets is 1 btc but the house takes in 1k new bets, worth 100 btc

12:39

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.00085017 = 0.4251 BTC [-] {5}

12:39

obviously that 99 btc will be carried on the book until it melts away

12:39

bitbet accidentally lost some money

12:39

that's how it should go

12:40

(we had something similar happen at least once iirc)

12:40

not sure if it washes any different though

12:40

i guess the issue is that this is a cash flow statement, and the charge belongs on the balance sheet.

12:41

mike_c myeah kinda smushing things together in there

12:41

unless bitbet intends to charge an employee or contractor for the loss, the shareholders eat it regardless

12:42

certainly dont pay out MORE to balance the loss

12:42

that no.

12:42

if you had a full board, theyd probly seek reimbursement from the accountant

12:42

if that person is an employee

12:42

not sure what measures are appropriate

12:43

firing in some cases

12:43

but...

12:43

afaik the normal practice is simply clawback.

12:43

and if you derp you go to jail

12:43

like that recent guy with the 90k

12:45

to be candid though, you have an an accounting problem that appears to be consistenly inconsistent

12:45

a change of guard it likely in order

12:45

is*

12:46

in that meta sense : i'm quite happy with it, because it both creates caselaw and casepeople.

12:46

on the surface this is healthy

12:46

cuz now all your people check every month

12:46

and probly enjoy doing so

12:46

but what if a major problem happens

12:46

more caselaw... ?

12:46

pretty much. what else ?

12:47

prevention?

12:47

i think this is the road to prevention.

12:47

possibly

12:47

but you bias

12:47

well yes i bias.

12:48

blackwhite

hello gents

12:48

heya

12:48

mike_c half tempted to move bitbet on a nz0 basis tbh.

12:49

ThickAsThieves the problem is that people who are actually qualified to do this stuff do not wish to do it, because they were qualified by fiat and wish to die in fiat.

12:49

yeah.. it is not really accurate to call it a nz0 given how many assets it has :)

12:49

willy nilly have to create and qualify bitcoin cpas.

12:50

then maybe my suggestion to go full dynamic aint so bad

12:50

er, zac

12:50

kill multiple birds with one stone

12:50

automate the whole thing

12:50

it's bad. technology has never nor will it ever replace people.

12:50

no mistakes

12:50

if we don't have our own cpas, and our own fucking missiles, we'll have trouble.

12:50

blackwhite

technology has already replaced people

12:50

blackwhite

in many areas

12:50

well your cpa tells your programmer what to make

12:50

who is "we"

12:51

once, excel didnt exist

12:51

doubt we're that far yet, but i can appreciate your point in principle.

12:51

danielpbarron bitcoin.

12:51

maybe mpoe-pr wants to learn accounting

12:51

i just hope she doesn't want to learn breastfeeding.

12:51

she can do both at the same time

12:52

didn't work out for smickles, that theory.

12:52

what does that even mean?

12:52

danielpbarron you're new here. why not read the logs for a while and ask q after ?

12:53

perhaps wait a few more hrs with that advice.

12:53

a there is that

12:53

hehe

12:53

jesus new guy trying to read the log.

12:53

make the wiki work

12:54

i made the categories and two links! what more do you want!

12:54

*

bounce was going to say that excel isn't really appropriate for much of anything, then thought of "appropriate technology"... and excel is indeed pretty much the opposite.

12:54

nah i'll help more tho

12:54

yeah we need more wiki people. hey moiety, do you know what the manuls have been telling me ?

12:54

aww Scotland tried to April Fool's too, look http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/scottish-politics/10735711/Alex-Salmond-to-replace-the-Queen-on-new-Scottish-pound-coin.html

12:54

i don't need to read the logs to understand you are collectivizing all bitcoin users as if they all have the same goals

12:54

hmm manuls?

12:54

no

12:54

danielpbarron yeah, but you do need to read the logs to understand other things.

12:54

you need it to not say weird shit like that

12:54

moiety they said you should be working butt off on wiki.

12:55

how about you have your missile and i'll have mine? no need to personify Bitcoin

12:55

...

12:55

who are you ?! and why are you determined to feed my ignore list ?

↖

12:55

that's because they can't read mircea_popescu .. what does the wiki need

12:56

moiety at this point, a lot of flash, i think.

12:56

moiety articles. think you're trying to tell stuff to your newb friend, so she can talk in -assets without being silly. what'd go in there ?

12:57

yes in a flash form

12:57

stop sabotaging the slander omg

12:57

im sorry, dont take me seriously.

12:57

ctrl - z

12:57

toolate

12:57

ctrl - z

12:57

ctrl - z

12:57

there

12:57

all good.

12:57

lol

12:58

kakobrekla: z ctrl - kakobrekla: ctrl z - kakobrekla: z - ctrl

12:58

fucken spazz.

12:58

lel

12:59

so now that mpoe and bbet are all fucked up, allow me to ruin the monthly reports of nsa too.

12:59

wat

13:00

I'm not actually allowed to include manuls in this am i

13:00

what's a wiki with no manuls?

13:01

mircea_popescu: list all shares on mpex. divs can only be paid to full float. remove a source of pebkac errors.

13:02

benkay then people can start pulling a danny.

13:02

pardon?

13:02

and it's fud fodder

13:02

benkay: owner-shares are not supposed to be tradeable

13:02

they are contracted to maintain a % of ownership

13:02

<mircea_popescu> "[...] without being silly." << you did just ask me, but i will try.

13:02

the problem is this manual "half the shares are not on the exchange" thing.

13:02

or .7 or w/e.

13:03

i dont share that concern

13:03

benkay nothing to stop the issuer from selling the treasury shares.

13:03

i think they should not be on the exchange

13:03

well this is a design of exchange thing

13:03

as designed, sure, not really a good idea to set people up to do a runner.

13:04

make issuer-grade accounts?

13:04

if you have 2 classes of shares, maybe track both classes of shares with the share tracking thing.

13:04

that cannot trade

13:04

moiety cool. if you fuck it up all these other experts can fix it. but it seems unless someone starts nobody does sortt of thing

13:04

ThickAsThieves trade engine wants to kill your guitar.

13:04

kako how do i get wiki access

13:05

;;ticker

13:05

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 485.03, Best ask: 485.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.77000, Last trade: 485.03, 24 hour volume: 24505.07026789, 24 hour low: 446.02, 24 hour high: 509.98, 24 hour vwap: 474.365683399

13:05

that guitar comment went over my head mp

13:06

i still think having the shares "listed" isnt a good path

13:06

but i can see how it's possible to facilitate such and some benefits it could bring

13:07

google zappa my guitar wants to kill your momma

13:08

;;google zappa my guitar wants to kill your momma

13:08

My Guitar Wants to Kill Your Mama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Guitar_Wants_to_Kill_Your_Mama>; Frank Zappa & The Mothers - My Guitar Wants To Kill Your Mama ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JXCht5H9oU>; Frank Zappa - My Guitar Wants To Kill Your Mama (HQ) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0Oj-eZqpHE>

13:08

ThickAsThieves pm

13:08

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06408505 = 0.3845 BTC [-] {2}

13:09

This is where he tells you to flash your webcam... or was that just me?

13:09

http://www.reddit.com/user/JuicyGrabs somebody that loves neobee and hates mpex... weird

13:09

overview for JuicyGrabs

13:09

weird?

13:09

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0569 = 0.1138 BTC [-]

13:09

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06400205 = 0.32 BTC [-] {2}

13:09

seems common

13:10

totally muy muy very weird and strange

13:13

mp has a powerful effect on people

13:14

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=553092.0

13:14

MPEx owner in danger of being extradited to US to face charges

13:14

it's is charge in life it seems

13:14

his*

13:15

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 729 @ 0.00094007 = 0.6853 BTC [-]

13:15

asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/snsa-march-2014-statement/

13:16

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10171 @ 0.00093989 = 9.5596 BTC [-]

13:16

wait, he found an article from two weeks ago ?

13:16

heh

13:16

first: bug in the snsa report :D "demo-ed before a rapturous applause"

13:17

"Bear in mind that we’re almost a full year away and things may well change. A definitive schedule will be published late March 2014."

13:17

anything to definitively add?

13:17

mike_c how do you say past of "to demo" ?

13:17

demonstrated

13:17

ThickAsThieves notrly.

13:17

i mean, either demo-ed before a rapturous audience

13:17

o o

13:18

there, implemented both fixes.

13:18

or demo-ed to the sound of thunderous applause

13:18

pls don't crimp my esl style.

13:18

no no no it was clearly rapturous applause before a thunderous crowd

13:19

rancorous thunderclapping and also nubbins snowpocalypsae

13:19

anyone know a good article explaining WHY the WoT is good, something to convince a noob

13:19

and what's that old fashioned thing with dashes? these days you are supposed to sprinkle apostrophes across your prose just in case you missed a spot, but no dashes

13:20

ThickAsThieves maybe a re-write of the girl

13:20

s wot thing on bitcointalk ?

13:20

that'd make a decent wiki page anyway

13:21

that's my thought, trying to make sure some context is injected into the wiki

13:21

a buncha a links is only arguably better than 'go read the log'

13:21

verily. hence "re-write"

13:21

btctalk post had some good ideas/sturcture but not really a full and complete "why wot" thing

13:21

more like a subsection

13:21

link handy?

13:22

google giving weird returns for the forum

13:22

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110861.10;wap2

13:22

Reputation system?

13:23

sec

13:24

why do womenz look so great in ball gags

13:25

kakobrekla, how to edit categories and add pages?

13:28

this bloomberg interview is interesting

13:28

i mean article

13:29

mp is famous

13:29

net notorious mpg

13:29

teh*

13:30

ThickAsThieves

13:30

https://www.dokuwiki.org/manual

13:30

manual [DokuWiki]

13:30

see namespaces

13:30

what do you think about it all mp?

13:30

nothing to worry about for u?

13:30

not particularly.

13:31

herp has got a bit of a hardon for u

13:31

im kinda surprised nobody's come out with the "herp is really mp" line.

13:31

i recall j-something was suspected of it

13:32

i think this will affect havelock more so

13:32

and as i said earlier will probably close down sometime this year

13:32

ThickAsThieves also there is a playground page to play around with

13:33

if there is something specific you want to do i can tell you what you need to do

13:33

if you want to create a new page on top of the dir, just visit the url you wanna create

13:33

and create the page

13:34

it will show in the menu automatically

13:34

sweet

13:34

if you want a subpage, you can use nest it

13:34

http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wiki/playground/test

13:34

wiki:playground:test [bitcoin assets wiki]

13:34

like dat

13:35

kakobrekla http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-march-2014-statement/#comment-98819

13:35

but for now keep it on one level if you can ThickAsThieves

13:35

ok

13:35

mostly wanted to edit categories and create them

13:35

just need to sort how to edit them now

13:36

edit what, a category?

13:36

so I tried a writeup wrt something on -otc: http://pastebin.ca/2690120 apart from zomfg too long, comments?

13:36

just make a new one delete old

13:36

did mpoepr really get banned from bitcointalk?

13:36

seems a bit harsh

13:37

ze mod said so, must be true then

13:37

sorry if this is old news or asking too many questions

13:38

VanCleef was yesterday's lulz

13:39

bounce it's not too bad as a case study

13:40

this doesn't seem like something TAT would post

13:40

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=551603.msg6010682#msg6010682

13:40

Please remove this user from this forum.

13:41

well i did post it

13:42

oh okey

13:42

thanks for confirming

13:42

ok i've added short descriptions to all the wiki links so far, surely they'll need editing and maybe some references

13:42

thought you got hacked or something :/

13:42

why?

13:42

pr00f of h4x, I say. just like mpoe-pr clearly got h4xx0red. the mod was right!

13:42

like what is so hard to believe

13:42

lol just didn't seem like it was you

13:42

that i hate bullshit?

13:42

and will swear over it?

13:48

can he say broken windows a few more times? he doesn't sound dumb enough yet.

13:49

windows is pretty broken...

13:49

ThickAsThieves https://bitcointa.lk/threads/reputation-system.67046/#post-1153370

13:49

the wot post

13:55

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7508562

13:55

k i added the link as-is for now with suggestion for rewrite

13:55

"Coinbase isn't some random website made in a basement. It's a well funded, YC backed, known-founder company that complies with relevant banking law. There's absolutely nothing to suggest that they hold a partial reserve or have any ill intention whatsoever."

13:56

again, this bullshit ?

13:57

let's give the shitshow some credit, shall we?

13:57

"The steal-all-your-money rate of bitcoin businesses is running right around 100%, and you're going to lecture people that "they can only ever lose a small portion of all stored user funds"? Really?"

13:57

no.

13:57

"The last "isn't some random website made in a basement" case was NeoBee. There were bunch of others before that, exactly similar.

13:57

Coinbase IS EXACTLY a random website made in a basement. So is AirBnB. So is everying else YC backed. Get over yourselves, lay down the pipe, you're a laughingstock for a reason.

13:57

This is the reason."

13:57

if anyone feels like passing it along.

14:00

lol http://i.imgur.com/uJY9QN3.jpg

14:00

yc imagines itself respectable nao, god help us.

14:00

isnt that my quote?

14:01

"in depth coverage" ?

14:01

bitpay i want my pound of flesh!

14:01

a little girl stole your quote

14:02

i like coinbase. i don't have to hold any $$ with them in order to buy btc.

14:02

she doesnt even look chinese

14:02

mike_c but you do have to hold your id with them

14:02

yes, so my buys are recorded. what am i going to do? use localbitcoin and buy all my coin on the street corner?

14:02

not the point.

14:03

what if i go out and steal your server now ?

14:03

i got your actual passport, i got your address, your cc number, anything.

14:03

i could change your tax accountant

14:03

i could take out a new credit card.

14:03

how is this different from any other online service?

14:03

i could withdraw your 401k early and guess what ? even if you do gert it back, the tax is still due.

14:03

what is this, how to make bitcoin paypal ?

14:04

it's not making bitcoin paypal. once i buy my bitcoin, coinbase is no longer involved.

14:04

i don't think the average us person realises exactly how fucked they are. and the "well everyone else is just as fucked" thinkin doesn't really work.

14:04

yes, but you're permanently exposed.

14:05

my bitcoinz are not though.

14:05

your bitcoins are not, no.

14:05

dude mike_c buying over irc is way more fun

14:05

if you have the sense to withdraw it

14:05

steal my 401k, what the fuck do i care? it's worthless anyway.

14:05

which most people do not.

14:05

well i see what you mean, but! i imagine so do you.

14:06

there is a practicality here. i can actually buy bitcoin with coinbase (with no $$ balance). there are extremely limited other ways for me to do that.

14:06

hey, your own life is yours to lead.

14:06

i suppose. i wish -otc were better, but it's not.

14:06

coinbase is still a pos.

14:06

hehe

14:07

there's you know, ringworm infested puddles all over africa

14:07

which are water for the locals, on the basis of the practicality that w/o water your le is a day.

14:07

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35100 @ 0.00093989 = 32.9901 BTC [-]

14:08

ok. yes, i see that point.

14:08

i guess it's just that the other water sources are filled with sewage, so the ringworm doesn't look so bad.

14:08

not ringworm, that's fungal

14:08

wtf is that evil worm thing called

14:09

;;google dracunculiasis

14:09

Dracunculiasis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dracunculiasis>; CDC - Guinea Worm: <http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/guineaworm/>; WHO | Dracunculiasis: <http://www.who.int/topics/dracunculiasis/en/>

14:09

that thing

14:09

otc is not really a pain in the ass.

14:09

know how much you want to buy, have it in a moneypak.

14:09

benkay i suppose it depends a lot on where you live etc

14:09

it is *moderately* inconvenient.

14:10

why does it depend on where you live? even in the states one can buy moneypak with cash.

14:11

how the fuck do i know

14:11

people are insufficiently wary about touching both the fiat rail and the crypto rail at the same time.

14:11

http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php?type=SELL&nick=&thing=BTC&otherthing=&eitherthing=&notes= << who you going to buy from on this list besides sturles?

14:11

#bitcoin-otc order book

14:11

maybe he lives five miles from any moneypak thing and it's run by zombies

14:11

s/even/only/ IIRC

14:11

^

14:11

need more peeps put their orders in there

14:13

it goes like this mike_c

14:13

"wtb btc with moneypak 2kusd"

14:14

then ignore all the scammers

14:14

honey for the scammors. i'll try it again sometime.

14:15

yeah well then do your dilligence on trust ratings.

14:15

alternatively, maybe start with peanuts and work people up.

14:15

do 10 trades on 10 dolla moneypacks,

14:15

select the 8 that didn't run, do 50 dolla

14:15

select the 7 that etc do 100

14:16

eventually people's histories with you are more valuable to them than any one trade so even the scammers won't scam you.

14:17

typical otc scammer won't go that far anyway

14:17

last night dude took 2 hours to scam $10

14:18

lmao

14:19

http://us4.campaign-archive2.com/?u=318189459efde177c0f0166dd&id=3899f9bfb5&e=e6e4334e18

14:19

BTC.sx Receives Largest Seedcoin Fund Investment: Virtual Incubator Finances the First Bitcoin-Only

14:20

again largest and first ?

14:20

this'll never end will it.

14:20

largest search engine, first ever to use a search box! derpoogle.co!

14:20

> In fact, this opportunity gives Seedcoin a substantial position in the most reputable, popular and advanced derivative trading platform for Bitcoin.

14:21

great.

14:21

> We congratulate BTC.sx on their continued success and the global respect they have earned among Bitcoin traders,” says Eddy Travia, Cofounder and Chief Startup Officer of Seedcoin.

14:21

mircea_popescu: i just caught up properly. is mpoe-pr ok? I hope so. it's pretty rough going dealing with shit for a long time and it then it ending unfairly.

14:21

they should also invest in that casino thing , whatever it was called.

14:22

I guess in some places, $5 per hour is excellent pay.

14:22

moiety what's so unfair about it lol. she told teh guy where to stuff it, how many employees get to do that ?

14:22

>With offices in New York City, London and Singapore, BTC.sx has an innovative, intuitive and proprietary platform that allows users to easily trade Bitcoin derivatives.

14:22

brick and mortar, dude.

14:22

ThickAsThieves: if you really want banned, simply go in anything and personally insult people offtopic. its the only thing they ban for, in their words.

14:22

And the guy knows he's not going to be sued for it.

14:22

So, well... yeah, I'm not surprised. Those kind of people will be around as long as it works.

14:23

its unfair because of the way that forum is conducted

14:24

imo

14:24

asleep at the wheel then trying to pull a sgt. hardass, wasn't too impressive from what little I saw of it.

14:25

Namworld good point re the relative safety. i guess many of them aren't unaware of it.

14:26

It's completly not worth it to sue them, plus people won't do it just for the principle because the person is probably poor and in bad need of money. So why send a message by suing for something so small? (On top of it being close to impossible, re other jurisdiction combined with low amount)

14:27

I'm sure it's a job for many on the forums/otc.

14:27

how to make a living as a thirld world flea.

14:28

Scamming 10 bucks here, 50 there, making new accounts and a few posts and small trades.

14:28

Some might not be poor. Like a kid, just for the thrill. Scam a little amount.

14:28

Etc.

14:29

prolly can clear 10 dollars a day on average, for 8 hour's work, which is just about the worldwide net average salary.

14:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12664 @ 0.00093936 = 11.8961 BTC [-] {2}

14:32

<moiety> ThickAsThieves: if you really want banned, simply go in anything and personally insult people offtopic. /// seems a step too far for me, i'll just not visit anymore unless to view a reference from this chan, or the like

14:33

At the same time, why would they ban scammers? It's not like it's their job to investigate and provide proof of scams and then ban them. That's not how forums work. Plus the whole thing about banning without proof at first.

14:33

it's actually really easy lpace to forget about

14:34

place* ThickAsThieves

14:34

lol @ logs kako

14:34

question : who was lilo ?

14:34

I can see why they'd say they only ban people derailing conversations/insulting without proofs. And just put a little scammer tag only once it's proven it's a scam.

14:34

answer : a mobster and acting boss of the bonanno crime family.

14:35

lilo` was a freenode admin back in the day.

14:35

;;google carmine galante

14:35

Carmine Galante - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmine_Galante>; Carmine Galante - Crime Library: <http://www.crimelibrary.com/photogallery/most-deadly-mobsters.html?curPhoto=2>; The Mob's Greatest Hits: Carmine Galante | National Geographic ...: <http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/inside-the-american-mob/videos/the-mobs-greatest- (1 more message)

14:35

oh nm. heh

14:35

(well, when it was openprojects.net or whatever.)

14:36

They provide a medium to communicate, they don't protect people from themselves/scammers.

14:36

Namworld yeah except if you ban people that tell you to get fucked after you deleted a half dozen posts they made ostensibly because "you have to minimise the visibility of moderation" but really because you just as well didn't want their content visible

14:36

was reading through the logs, was like: O_o are they all on LSD today?

14:36

things start looking a little different suddenly.

14:36

Namworld i think your view is too black & white on the matter

14:36

mod6 we are, but it's unrelated.

14:36

haha

14:36

it's not their duty to seek and prove scamming

14:36

it is in their financial interest to be ethical though

14:37

possibly their legal one too

14:37

Perhaps, I didn't read about that part of deleting posts complaining about moderators.

14:37

would YOU have allowed Garr to keep up his antics?

14:37

generally speaking this is true. it gets real hard to argue no mens rea after you;ve been shown to have taken positive steps.

14:37

That's the other issue with forums. If some admins/mods are bad and good at it, you won't see it.

14:38

interestingly there seems to be two groups of people. first think asseters took ze drugs, the second group thinks they them selfs are on something. perhaps this tells a thing.

14:38

Garr? is he still there under his own account?

14:38

kakobrekla lol indeed.

14:38

vexual hangs in the balance

14:38

waiting

14:38

Namworld in the case of teh btctalk you do see it, https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ipvo-multiple-exchanges-neo-bee-lmb-holdings.167762/page-226

14:39

yes Nam he is

14:39

he has solicited investment after being outted

14:39

mircea_popescu: did they extradite you yet lol

14:39

totally.

14:39

funny ass thread

14:39

mods wanna mod, but dont start with their own rep system for targets?

14:39

i'm extraditing myself over to the bar in a minute.

14:40

the whole thing is obviously hopeless

14:40

gotta extrudate some shots

14:40

lol

14:40

I'd probably have left him there, yes. Let people rate each other/sort scammers out/investigate offers. It's trivial to make new accounts anyway. Scammers might as well keep their account with psts but also tainted reputation.

14:40

mebbe specially rendition some chicks outta their clothes while at it.

14:40

lawyering up atleast?

14:40

Not like banning them would prevent them from coming back under a new identity.

14:41

Namworld not giving scammers the ability to make "Self moderated" threads would be one thing.

14:41

tbh i think it's where mpoe-pr's outlook turned.

14:41

from "derps derping bitcoin" to "these people are criminals in disguise"

14:41

at least going by the digests.

14:42

That should indeed be implemented. So scammers can't leverage an account with lots of post to make a clean thread. Yet again, if you don't look up the guy's history even if the thread is clean...

14:42

well so then talk about broken windows

14:42

first, allow any random scammer to moderate hteir own thread

14:43

after people get used to this, maged can start deleting posts that inconvenience his clients.

14:43

there you have it. well broked.

14:43

the problem is this conversation puts us down to their level, and that pissed me off too

14:43

we're here all trying to sort the finer points of why its fucked

14:43

it's just fucked

14:44

well he started it!

14:44

hehe

14:44

They already gave a rating system for people to leave feedbacks/make investigation of scam accusation easy. Rating page will list all the wrongs people are accused of.

14:44

it needs owners that care about their thing

14:44

they do not care

14:44

that's that

14:44

at best, that.

14:45

you can still rate even if you are banned so i use that to leave messages to people

14:45

lol

14:45

lmao

14:45

you're still banned kako ?

14:45

poor kako

14:46

yes thermos did not respond to my email

14:46

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0569 = 0.1138 BTC [-]

14:46

didnt thermos entrust John K with forum coins?

14:46

cuz he couldnt hold them himself

14:46

Honestly, I'd probably just ban people insulting others/derailing threads regardless of how likely they are right or the accused is a scammer.

14:47

so heavy, the coins

14:47

"Venezuela Orders Landlords to List Homes for Sale"

14:47

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0569 = 0.3414 BTC [-]

14:47

so much lol coming out of that thing

14:47

Insult = ban, explanation as to why someone shouldn't be trusted/their offer is bad, okay as long as polite.

14:47

Namworld, the forumites are perpetually insulted

14:47

I wanted MPOE-PR to kill that site with fire.

14:48

it's a state of being for them

14:48

"california housing market too expensive for underprivileged groups ? PEOPLE MUST NAO LIST HOUSES FOR SALE PAYMENT IN COWRIES"

14:48

Namworld that's what you think for lack of experience. what's "an insult" ?

14:48

Insult as randomly calling people words and swearing at them, not people "feeling" insulted.

14:48

your mother was a hampster and your father smelt of elderberries.

14:48

what not ?

14:49

yeah but you cant train forumites on what to complain about

14:49

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAy4zULKFDU here, with audio.

14:49

Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries - YouTube

14:49

they have only their feelings

14:49

"I am insulted that this person is calling out my scam"

14:49

your mods would quit

14:50

maybe thats why their mods suck

14:50

http://thecoinfront.com/leah-mcgrath-goodman-i-am-satoshi-nakamoto/

14:50

need better pay

14:50

Leah McGrath Goodman: "I Am Satoshi Nakamoto" | The CoinFront | Bitcoin News

14:50

o ywah, let's mess with that stupid cunt some more.

14:51

Calling out a scam is not an insult. It's at best accurate, at worst an erroneous assumptions.

14:51

so do you allow false accusations then?

14:51

suddenly youre in the business you said you shouldnt be in

14:52

https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/451069414604288000

14:52

Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @truth_eater Hey toots, how's ...

14:52

pls to keep reminding me nao and again.

14:52

kthx.

14:52

What business?

14:53

<Namworld> At the same time, why would they ban scammers? It's not like it's their job to investigate and provide proof of scams and then ban them. That's not how forums work.

14:53

the line blurs at people making scam accusations

14:54

http://app.messages.seagate.com/e/es?s=261&e=304820&elq=35ad4a43ddd141e6a568d623ce442fce

it's not quite an insult, but quite insulting

14:54

Diablo-D3

14:54

YUM Introducing Seagate's New Drive Portfolio.

14:54

it's not provable, but also not true discourse if false

14:54

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2014/04/01/alleged-silk-road-creators-lawyer-denies-bitcoin-is-monetary-instrument-moves-to-drop-all-charges/

14:54

Alleged Silk Road Creator's Lawyer Denies Bitcoin Is 'Monetary Instrument,' Moves To Drop All Charge

14:54

they caught on lmao.

14:54

And I wouldn't ban scam accusations, weither true or false, like I wouldn't ban someone I thought is probably a scammer, weither true or false?

14:54

"Your honor, we finally got around to reading 2012 Trilema. We humbly submit this is a complete gamechanger."

14:56

There's a difference between "This guy is a scammer LINK" "This is a scam because X, Y, Z or because I think so" and "You sound like a scammer, get the fuck out you dimwit scum"

14:56

is there?

14:56

really ?

14:57

is there a difference between "i perceive a difference" and "there is a difference" ?

14:57

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=553092.msg6021150#msg6021150 lol

14:57

MPEx owner in danger of being extradited to US to face charges

14:57

SELL!

14:57

uh oh

14:57

jig up?

14:58

No. But as admin I get to determine what is and what isn't acceptable. Even if the nuance is subtle.

14:58

wasn't this befoar ?

14:58

let me post that to reddit without reading it

14:58

I'm not there to protect people's feeling like I'm not there to protect people from scammers. Just preventing straight up inflamatorry posts without substance.

14:58

wow theyre really gonna try and harass you now...

14:58

this should last, what, a week at most?

14:58

Namworld yes well, some people make MPs thing, some other people make Bitcoin thing.

14:58

do you see a difference there ?

14:58

if it was JoeDorksForum your position would stand a lot better,

14:59

especially if that JoeDork was someone with a reputation of any kind.

14:59

rather than a 20something nobody with nary a clue.

14:59

There's a reason why I'm not a forum admin tho, hard decisions to make, everyone always butthurt all the time, more bland content and same old being repated you can't read and filter everything.

15:00

so this has been an exercise in "let's discuss how the salmon would fly if it had no wings" ?

15:00

It isn't a JoeDork'sForum?

15:00

;;google joedorktalk.org

15:00

No matches found.

15:00

apparently not.

15:00

the problem is just one

15:00

they do not moderate the content but the form

15:00

if it were the other way around

15:00

....

15:01

bitcointa.lk does not detect the extension :(

15:01

I wasn't aware it was somehow official. Is the Bitcoin foundation official too?

15:01

kakobrekla deeper than that : they moderate the content to favour scammers, under a pretense of moderating the form.

15:01

the gmaxwell sin.

15:01

Namworld it claims to be. peoples implicit claims are held against them.

15:01

As such, my point is as valid as if the forum was called theymosandcotalk.org

15:02

It claims to be a Bitcoin forum like the foundation says Bitcoin Foundation. That people perceive them as official or not, I don't care.

15:03

well maybe you should run a catholic choir nambla local group then ?

15:04

A little mention "not official, Bitcoin is decentralized" under the names would be nice, but what if they don't? I ain't going to harass them all day long, now, should I?

15:04

Why would I run a catholic choir?

15:04

i have no idea. why would these derps run a bitcoin forum ?

15:04

I forgot there is https://www.bitcoinforum.com/ too - jurov uses it

15:05

Because they decided to.

15:06

If people think they're official, it's because they don't understand Bitcoin, not because they run a Bitcoin forum.

15:06

"n 1994 Crichton became the only creative artist ever to have works simultaneously charting at No. 1 in television, film, and book sales"

15:06

jesus that shit's broken

15:06

Duffer1

to be fair jurassic park was a good book

15:06

that's some bo jackson shit

15:07

BO KNOWS

15:07

Same as if someone thought someone running gunstalk, goldtalk, sportstalk or whatever kind of forum was the official worldwide representative of guns, gold or sports respectively.

15:08

If someone thing it's official, it's because they have no idea of the substance of the topic, not because the forum owners didn't put enough disclaimers.

15:08

think*

15:08

dude get out. if you're running sportstalk.org and ban all discussions of all white players you're going to be drawn and quartered.

15:08

"o, i'm not racist, it's just how i run my forum which is mine"

15:09

We're not talking about wether the mods did something wrong or not right now...

15:09

so how many shares of mpex exist?

15:09

1bn

15:09

Namworld: if sportstalk.org predated widespread use of sports, it probably would be quite the hub of activity.

15:09

Just about them claiming to be somewhat official.

15:10

that's distinct from being official, tho

15:10

so satoshidice was listed on mpex before?

15:10

Duffer1

ya

15:10

so how did it get sold to private party then

15:10

Yes, all I'm saying is, if they're biased, okay. But why blame them for people confusing them for being official?

15:11

it got sold, shareholders on mpex got paid..

15:11

Did they ever claim to be official? I recall seeing claims of being the largest discussion forum about Bitcoin and that's it.

15:11

Duffer1

tg2 probably a trilema article on it

15:11

lol

15:12

Namworld not afaik.

15:12

wouldn't all the shareholders have to agree to sell it?

15:12

most shares on mpex are non-voting.

15:12

yes, but if you owned a share

15:12

and you didn't want to sell it

15:12

tough darts

15:12

and you have a non-voting share..

15:12

tg2 http://trilema.com/2013/the-list-of-discontinued-assets-on-mpex/

15:12

just curious about the process

15:13

same as if google sold itself and you owned shares. nobody cares what you want.

15:13

there's no process. mpex shares hold no voting rights. nobody asks your opinion on how the comp is run.

15:13

geez, i am starting to sound like you.

15:13

you get paid and you go on your merry way

15:14

> The MPEx holders nevertheless received 0.0035 per share,

15:14

i see

15:14

and that's the point I was talking about. I don't care about people believing them to be official because of that. It's not like it's their problem or anyone's to go put disclaimers on everything so people don't have to think and just follow directions.

15:15

how difficult is it to get listed on mpex?

15:15

that depends. most derpcorps find it impossible.

15:15

yet pptapr and giga no issues?

15:15

Not too hard I suppose, but yeah, what Mircea said.

15:15

otherwise kakobrekla asciilifeform etc could comment on it

15:16

It's not like the requirements are too much or too hard to meet.

15:16

It's that most scams fail to even come close to meet those requirements.

15:16

so if the dice buyout was kosher, ie: all the buyers got their fair value for their shares, why is SEC sniffing around for that corp in particular?

15:17

Because some people wanted to keep shares/complained?

15:17

MPEx is the big target.

15:17

I suppose especially those who bought from the slices of shares over IPO prices.

15:18

things like that happen though in regular companies that are listed, private party has an interest, buys all the shares above market, non-voting can't do much about it

15:18

Because sell price way under IPO price, yet all MPEx shareholders got like 3x the price per share such they they'd get over the initial IPO price at the expense of private shareholders.

15:19

Yet this excellent deal for MPEx holders didn't please people who bought way over IPO price.

15:19

tg2 we never got to know what they actually wanted because they could never figure how to express themselves.

15:19

the simile would be a down syndrome kid walking into a shop going GLEEEERHRHRHR!!

15:19

Afaik, I think it was not Erik that sold shares over IPO, but the offer was other shareholders that wanted to sell at those high prices?

15:19

shop owner goes hey! if you want to buy sometrhing, go like this, if you want to borrow something, go like this

15:19

kid goes GLEEEERHRHRHR!!

15:19

or something to that effect.

15:20

eventually shop owner calls the special down syndrome kid number to have the kid removed from the premises.

15:20

http://blog.coinbase.com/post/81407694500/update-on-coinbase-data-security TLDR: There is nothing wrong with our system, but we fixed it

15:20

hopefully they find someone in new york whose brain works and they patch it up.

15:20

alternatively, they get a pitchfork mob going, and i'll have to hire a security detail around the shop.

15:20

either way, life.

15:21

ThickAsThieves such fucktards with this bs. just won't learn will they.

15:22

Either way, people butthurt about buying too high from the bigger shareholders who sold when the price was high.

15:22

If I recall right, I bought afterward, when price was much lower, not long before SD sold.

15:23

and all holders on MPEx got a very good deal in that sale.

15:23

SEC isn't really used ot asking nicely

15:23

I know people involved in the awesomepennystocks.com fiasco

15:23

sledgehammer approach

15:24

take houses, take cars, indict everybody

15:24

tough tits for them. i was not kidding when i said their future is at stake. it is.

15:24

they wanna take a crap all over it, no big deal really.

15:24

Basically, contract was respected. People are mad about the SD deal because they can't verify anything about the sale. They bought at a high price and claim Erik sold to "himself" for low after selling some shares for a very high price or other such accusations.

15:24

we give bitcoin to the russian-ec or to the chinese-ec or to the cyprus-ec

15:24

Now, if they could prove that, the story would be different.

15:24

whoever finds a non-down syndrome kid first wins.

15:24

that's a tough accusation to clear

15:24

tis a race.

15:25

but yeah it does open the door to fukc al ot of people when you pull strings on both sides

15:25

ie: oh profits are down on dice..."

15:25

shares drop

15:25

-> buy back

15:25

that kind of stuff

15:25

But without proof, contract was respected, shareholders got a great deal, and people are complaining about buying high before profits diminished and price going much lower.

15:25

"great deal"

15:26

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24350 @ 0.00093998 = 22.8885 BTC [+]

15:26

getting bought out well above market price is a great deal.

15:26

hard to calculate who got the great deal

15:26

and who didn't

15:26

afaik there was this longstanding theory that erik is betting with himself. i never could see any proof for it, people were welcome to find it etc.

15:26

but in general yes

15:26

http://trilema.com/2013/the-question-of-the-year-in-btc/

15:26

The question of the year in BTC pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

15:26

hardly any sort of news.

15:26

They get 1/2 instead of 1/6th of what they paid because MPEx shareholders got about 3x too much for what the sale price was.

15:27

They got like .0032 instead of ~0.0011 I think as the sale price commanded.

15:27

how much was bought over ipo

15:27

presumably it was sold by vorhees

15:27

then it deflated

15:27

10 million at 0.0022 and 0.0027 I think it was, in two slices. Or was it 3?

15:27

then bought back at "ipo" price

15:28

The IPO was lower than the price holders got.

15:28

how high did it climb after ipo

15:28

People complained because new shares were put up and sold in the 0.004-0.006 range if I recall right, for about 5 million shares?

15:29

Afaik it was not Voorhees' I think, just one of the private shareholder selling. I suppose accusations come from people who bought then.

15:30

it was actually the first thing i ever did in bitcoin communication, sent a msg to erik asking how it could be proven he wasnt stealing

15:30

it's why i made a forum account

15:30

what did he say ?

15:30

lemme find it

15:30

They got the short end of the stick, but is it because a scam occured? Contract was respected and outperformed. They bought at the high.

15:31

Now without proof Erik did anything wrong... what are you to do?

15:31

ultimately somebody had to buy above 'value'

15:31

whether or not erik did anything to deflate or inflate that value

15:31

is really the only way he could be guilty of anything

15:31

generally, btc stocks follow a hump pattern

15:31

asicminer went from .1 to 5 then to .5

15:31

"What could stop SatoshiDice.com from using it's own profit pool to place bets on it's own site to hide profits from shareholders?

15:31

Am I missing something about the setup that prevents this?"

15:31

"Hi,

15:31

How would this hide profits from shareholders? It would do the opposite... it would inflate the site's earnings (because 1.9% of all bets becomes site profit) and then would require that the site pay shareholders -more- than they should legitimately have.

15:31

For example, if I took 10 btc of SD earnings and rebet it over and over and over, eventually it would all be owned to the shareholders on mpex because they would see that the site had xxxxxxx in bets and xxxxxxx in profit owed to them.

15:31

Does that answer the question?

15:31

-Erik"

15:32

many children, many people with no training or much understanding, lot of hype.

15:32

A dose of mob justice, with unproven guiltyness??

15:32

yeah its pretty clear when you use fixed wallets

15:32

"Yes, thank you Smiley

15:32

I thought I had answered my own question after I sent my message to you. I thought your answer was going to be "Because all of the coins are stored in the public addresses on the home page, and everyone would see we were filtering out money". Do the coins all stay in the wallets posted on the home page (until dividends are paid), or do they get moved around in storage?

15:32

Your answer makes sense though.

15:32

Thanks again! "

15:32

to see where money and bets are going

15:32

"The coins are not stored on the public addresses shown on the homepage. They go into a secret chamber buried underneath the arctic circle Wink

15:32

-Erik"

15:32

that's it

15:32

the only way to counterplay would be to know the private keys in advance

15:32

but you'd see the house % going down

15:32

from January 2013

15:33

Well to be fair, it's not a proof of innocence. But justice isn't supposed to work that way. It's not supposed to be guilty until proven innocent.

15:34

anybody working on a distirbuted-trust system for these types of scenarios?

15:34

where every voting shareholder gets a proportionate, verifyable voting mechanism?

15:35

tg2 anyway, you can take the message upstairs. "guy actually said you either play ball or he buries you, it seems improbable but he does have a history of doing exactly that."

15:35

I knew somebodyw as working on a wallet-splitter where you sent to an address and it split it by a fixed % and sent back out to the other x addresses

15:35

but you still ahve to trust the service

15:35

I'm not sure how such a system would work to actually prevent fraud. Unless that system had exclusive amangement of funds. But then running a business would be close of impossible if all money spent needs to be approved by shareholders.

15:36

yeah I think the reality is it would be possible

15:36

Plus it still doesn't prevent fraud...

15:36

Assuming majority is in on the fraud...

15:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26350 @ 0.00093815 = 24.7203 BTC [-] {2}

15:36

but yeah ultimately it comes back to the same issue where the people running the business have to maek hte decisions

15:38

Hey guys, Dom here. I’m in the process of setting up a few businesses and am actively involved in a few crypto-hubs. Just wanted to hang out in a few IRC channels to talk with people from the space.

15:38

I guess there just needs to be more liability there

15:38

which is sort of why the SEC was created in the first place

15:38

Hi Dom

15:39

what kinda biz, domsch?

15:39

domsch prolly a good call.

15:40

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19731 @ 0.00093998 = 18.5467 BTC [+]

15:40

Crypto-related. We are mostly concerned on the educational aspects of the space and are creating several tools that are there to add liquidity to the market and help users embrace the new technology (not just bitcoin of course) in their every day life.

15:40

add liquidity how?

15:40

where's the overlap between "educational aspects" and "tools to add liquidity"?

15:40

http://imgur.com/a/pVsEJ

15:40

Bitcoin POS Terminal - Imgur

15:41

*

twizt thinks its time for a bunch of big words to be used, while making little to no practical sense

15:41

well that's better than a QR sticker.

15:41

lol

15:41

educating and approaching the average consumer goes hand in hand.

15:42

and yes, it definitely is lol

15:42

There's already large processors offering service plus conversion plus daily bank deposit for 1% fee.

15:42

tell those BitcoinBigfoot guys that Dom

15:42

they make "educational" brochures filled with logos

15:42

But this little device is actually quite elegant.

15:42

bitcoin consumer tech, man.

15:42

just say no.

15:42

bro for something that big

15:42

it better play hd movies

15:43

ascii porn at least

15:43

domsch who's "we" ?

15:43

.asciibait

15:43

that thing looks as big as a mac mini

15:43

lol

15:43

yes I really like what Bigfoot is doing. I don’t think that anyone in this space can be treated as a competitor (in broad perspective of course) - we are mostly all after the same and pursue the same ideals.

15:43

its not meant to be carried around eh

15:44

dude. who. is. we.

15:44

you're all after the same thing but not competitors?

15:44

what?

15:44

me and my team. I’m not alone. We are around 7 people right now.

15:44

we is me

15:44

do you have a name ?

15:44

A mac mini? This thing looks smaller than a small computer fan. How small is a mac mini?

15:44

I am we

15:44

dominik schiener sez your client. that you ?

15:45

yep.

15:45

you the 17yo italian guy with fileyy / 360box game hacks ?

15:45

the name sounds german

15:46

I am actually 18. And I’m german.

15:46

europe. gets complicated.

15:46

ok. get in the wot, and read this :

15:46

and I have never owned an xbox.

15:46

https://angel.co/dominik-schiener

15:46

http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-is-creating-a-whole-new-set-of-problems/

15:46

Dominik Schiener - AngelList

15:46

Bitcoin is creating a whole new set of problems pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

15:46

and i do mean read it.

15:47

ok hold on

15:47

take your time.

15:47

18 years old developing hardware.. or ur professors doing it?

15:48

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.00085015 = 0.2125 BTC [-]

15:48

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0444 = 0.222 BTC [-] {2}

15:51

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.00085 = 0.85 BTC [-]

15:51

Good read. And I definitely agree with you on some of the aspects that young people (of my age, younger or older) are in this space to grasp an opportunity - these are the people that don’t see the future, the long-term benefit. These are the people that are there to fuck you in the ass when they see the slightest chance to get away with a few bucks.

15:52

what what, in the butt

15:52

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05739997 = 0.1148 BTC [+]

15:52

I can tell you a personal story, how I tried to run my first startup, (a performance based advertising network, known as CPA = Cost Per Action) and how I was scammed out of my last $1000 and had to work over the summer as a construction worker to get enough money to continue working on the project.

15:53

I am not in this space to make a buck and seize every tiny opportunity, or even try to scam people. I’m here for the bigger picture. I may be young, I may be dumb - but I am trying.

15:53

;;google trilema variety speak

15:53

You're gonna have to learn that variety speak pe Trilema - Un blog ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/youre-gonna-have-to-learn-that-variety-speak/>; Pro idiotas, which obviously means, people who have ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2014/pro-idiotas-which-obviously-means-people-who-have-ideas-ie-idiots/>; The Family pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/the- (1 more message)

15:53

"nobody knows how to make movies, but there are some people who know how to not make movies"

15:54

maybe reconsider the point-of-sale angle, sir.

15:56

domsch just don't let that grasping fuck you over.

15:57

a 50yo that fucks up is therefore losing his key for ages 51-70 or w/e

15:57

a 18yo that fucks up is losing his key for all time. you're risking a lot more than the 50yo, who already fucked the girls, drank the meads, got bored.

15:57

and in this space, fucking up is extremely easy. just ask danny.

15:57

or charlie or whoever.

15:58

benkay eh, he can't argue everything simultaneously. first let him you know... introduce it.

15:59

whos danny

15:59

danny "cyprus" brewster.

15:59

domsch, so many young people with your mindset came around to do BTC services/business, only to have everything go down because of the tiniest mistake. BTC doesn't forgive, hackers don't forgive. Smallest error can doom you.

15:59

what company?

16:00

High failure/scam ratio.

16:00

twbt newbie.

16:00

twizt i mean

16:00

neo bee?

16:00

it fucked up already? lol

16:00

if you prefer the cyrillics spelling

16:01

yeh I definitely understand where this is coming from. As people say: “It doesn’t matter what your idea is, it only mattes who you know.” That’s why I’m trying to be surrounded by the right guys. I am working on the networkign right now and meet the right people that have been there, done it.

16:02

aite, dun worry about it.

16:02

i wonder how much money neobee wasted on all that promotional crap

16:02

what are their sales?

16:02

lol

16:03

and don’t worry. I won#t be the Chief Compliance Officer, President, CEO, developer and support staff of this project lol

16:03

what will you be?

16:03

"we" of course!

16:03

I shall be we

16:03

gdammit ThickAsThieves

16:03

it is written

16:03

beat me to it

16:03

an entrepreneur.

16:04

a thought leader

16:04

We have written it, I shall be done

16:04

is there an english word for entrepreneur, it's annoying

16:04

business man

16:04

yes

16:04

?

16:04

it would be better at this stage to attach yourself to a more experienced entrepreneur.

16:04

"entrepreneur" :D

16:05

BMEN

16:05

is there an english word for restaurant? :D

16:05

in the early days of a startup titles don’t matter anyways as we still have to prove all of the hypothesis and actually get a working model up and running. So all these fancy titles are useless. It’s about getting shit done.

16:05

Man i love this channel

16:05

drive thru nubbins

16:05

smarter over time

16:05

domsch: that is bs. somebody is in charge.

16:05

rather than the general trend of the internet to become less intelligent over time

16:05

nubbins`: diner

16:05

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05658333 = 0.3395 BTC [-] {2}

16:05

domsch: all im reading is canned rhetroic lol

16:06

you sound too sales pitchy

16:06

pLambert: that's french too

16:06

(in my mental voice)

16:06

eatery?

16:06

ehhh.

16:06

jim bob's rib hole is an eatery

16:06

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06869732 = 0.1374 BTC [+]

16:06

different from a restaurant :D

16:07

domsch: "Right and wrong are just words. It doesn't matter who you know or what you say. What matters...is what you do."

16:07

it would be better to learn by attaching yourself to someone experienced. this is a bad industry to learn by failure for the reasons already mentioned.

16:07

there is definitely someone in charge. But what’s the point of all the titles in the early days?

16:07

food-place

16:07

mike_c: you can learn by failure via spectating

16:07

to a degree. you still must get in the trenches to really learn.

16:08

great quote

16:08

mike_c: true, you will never be able to fully comprehend the defense strategy against a large DDoS without having experienced it like say mircea_popescu

16:09

or by working for mp when it happens.

16:09

<thestringpuller> u sure its him or he's paying some minions

16:10

paying minions to DDoS him?

16:10

of expertise

16:11

<twizt> you sound too sales pitchy /// methinks youre attacking the kid a bit too prematurely

16:11

ThickAsThieves always the nice guy

16:11

at least let him fuckup for himself before declaring him a fuckup

16:11

he's here aint he?

16:12

noisy spectators get a bad rap itc

16:13

<twizt> i wonder how much money neobee wasted on all that promotional crap << me too. but it doesn't seem like theres ever going to be a report.

16:13

0.0

16:13

<thestringpuller> smarter over time << word. this shit sharpens under my very eyes. it's... uncanny.

16:14

whoa look at that, truffles still exists ?! when did that happen.

16:14

i happen all the time dood

16:15

dood eh ? so what were you in for these past few months ? larceny ? truculence ?

16:15

promo crap, oracle license, building

16:15

u want to know why i left n returned just ask

16:15

im bored

16:16

lol oracle license

16:16

mpex doesn't even use oracle...

16:16

MP is the oracle

16:16

i enjoy poking at u mp cuz others dont seem to dare :D

16:16

yeah but you suck at it.

16:16

what about tiberius?

16:17

:(

16:17

i wouldnt wanna be good at that nonetheless

16:18

has ur english improved mp?

16:19

;;seen nanotube

16:19

nanotube was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 2 hours, 5 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <nanotube> benkay: the implication would be that output would be sorted by volume? :)

16:19

ill wait for the spam n check it out i gues

16:21

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05699999 = 0.114 BTC [+] {2}

16:23

i didnt say he was a fuck up lol

16:24

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0561 = 0.1683 BTC [-] {2}

16:24

u said mp's a fuck up?

16:24

didnt say that*..

16:25

truffles: talking abt domsch

16:25

ofc some1 else ok

16:25

mysql server is free who need a oracle lisence?

16:26

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05699999 = 0.171 BTC [+] {3}

16:26

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0453 = 0.1359 BTC [+] {3}

16:26

open question: anyone know how i can pull the kraken spot price using their api? where do I insert the symbol/pair on the url to retrieve the price?

16:27

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05699999 = 0.171 BTC [+] {3}

16:27

I wouldn’t say fuck-up. I am rather trying to participate and be actively involved.

16:27

im not calling u a fuckup lol

16:27

chill

16:27

domsch what do u do?

16:27

<3 all around

16:29

domsch: lurk first. there will always be work to do. learn to do the work first tho

16:29

^^

16:29

hint hint dont step on toes

16:29

lol truffles

16:29

nah fuck that burn bridges domsch

16:29

one of the products http://imgur.com/a/pVsEJ we have have been working on. But there is more to come.

16:30

and yes, lurking, reading and listening to the mistakes of others is probably the only way to be prepared for this.

16:30

only way..

16:30

so what is this

16:30

steven-__

very nice unit how much ?

16:30

so it's a nfc payment terminal?

16:31

looks like it uses QR codes too

16:31

oh right

16:31

pretty cool, very simple design

16:32

as a young kid that is just getting started, doing the above is pretty much the “only way” to prepare oneself. A problem that I have seen in the past is that a lot of people are reluctant to work with youngsters like me - which I do really understand.

16:32

do u look scary?

16:32

part of that is why it’s great that Internet and Bitcoin allows people to stay anonymous for some time and just convince the other person through words and their abilities.

16:32

if one can get the job done..

16:33

he's got those shrem eyebrows that make you think twice

16:33

domsch: you said "we" you don't have niggas?

16:33

where's your crew?

16:33

haha - no I hope I don’t. But it’s most stereotypes with locals. I live in the Alps and people around here are process driven: You go to school, college, then you work for someone for a ffew years and ONLY then you can consider running the show.

16:33

we is me

16:34

anyone with some BTC twitter followers wanna help a brother out with a retweet? trying to get our beta update out to the public. pm me if interested, thx. sex and drugs in return

16:34

lolol

16:34

and yes, this is an NFS terminal. They are not ready for serial production yet as we will do some tests in Zurich sometime soon.

16:34

NFC*

16:34

domsch check ur pm

16:34

oh u dont think any1 will copy it huh

16:35

ou I definitely do - we will open-source it all.

16:35

ohh

16:35

this is a gadget supposed to be there for the public use - it is there to add value, not generate money.

16:35

so its for free?

16:35

??

16:36

https://twitter.com/Coinigy/status/451094162037673984 <- fuck it. i dont understand social media. share it if you care

16:36

Twitter / Coinigy: Coinigy Beta Update & ...

16:36

khersonus

domsch: gpl/bsd/something else?

16:37

if u paint it black it could be like a little black box :D

16:37

>We Need Your Help

16:37

As with any new startup, exposure and early adoption are the keys to success. Please help us out by telling your friends, liking our Facebook page and following us on twitter.

16:37

--

16:37

all the CAD files + software will be free. But if you want to buy the actual unit (meaning already produced) you’ll have to pay. This is for those who don#t have access to a 3d printer and don’t want to go through the hassle.

16:37

yes.

16:37

impressions.

16:37

kakobrekla is there something wrong with that line?

16:38

well unless this is a faucet, then no

16:38

domsch ok, sounds interesting gl

16:39

an exchange does not need facebook likes, it needs market makers, for example. and those arent on facebook.

16:39

kakobrekla we're not an exchange.

16:39

LOLOLOL

16:39

reading comprehension goes a long way nowadays.

16:39

faucet then

16:39

dunno i would say you faild to convey the message

16:40

is the bitcoin message board down or something?

16:40

thanks a lot truffles.

16:40

ok, thanks for the constructive criticism, any idea what we could do to improve on conveying the message?

16:40

well

16:40

khersonus

"less than 20s of delay. This number will be lowered in time to only a few seconds." << I don't think I'd call that "low latency"

16:40

when i open that link

16:40

i get about 1000 px of white space first

16:40

would be a good place to write "WE DO <this>"

16:41

or "WE ARE <this>" or whatever

16:41

which link specifically?

16:41

http://us3.campaign-archive2.com/?u=9f03eb56fbb3842181db7f674&id=c4520742b6

16:41

Coinigy Beta Update & Screenshots

16:41

the link is a copy of the email blast we just sent out

16:41

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 225 @ 0.00581941 = 1.3094 BTC [+] {6}

16:41

are you on mobile perchance

16:41

its what you gave me.

16:41

no

16:41

i understand, i was curious if you were getting whitespace on coinigy.com vs the link i gave you

16:41

i'm not getting whitespace so i'm just inquiring

16:42

anyway, pictures are bad

16:42

you are not in photography biz

16:42

as far as i can tell

16:42

so far

16:42

clearly not

16:42

bad in what respect

16:42

are you positive you're not looking at this on a tandy?

16:42

;)

16:42

so coinigy is the name?

16:43

whatever, free advice ends here.

16:43

correct. did we not convey the name properly?

16:43

coinigy?

16:43

kakobrekla i'm just ribbing you a little bit

16:43

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05699999 = 0.114 BTC [+]

16:43

srsly?

16:44

*

truffles wants to go to all the btc startups and shake em

16:44

truffles seriously? is that rhetorical? in which case, no- that's not the name.

16:44

what is the name

16:45

we've been tossing some ideas around, such as MPEZ or HAVELOX. but they're not rolling off the tongue.

16:45

those sound a lot better though

16:45

regardless, appreciate the feedback, as negative as it's been :)

16:46

if its great, i wont say one bad word

16:46

tandycoin

16:46

can't improve without constructive criticism. so far apparently there's whitespace, the pictures are shit, and the name sucks

16:46

i dont see any pictures so whatever content you got there is gone

16:46

dude that name is turrble

16:46

derp

16:46

there's a pronunciation guide for you oin coinigy.com

16:46

you racist bastard :)

16:47

so this is aka btcrt

16:47

TomServo

first indicator that it's no good.

16:47

or rtbtc

16:47

or what is it

16:47

if u have great product none will care

16:47

maybe because I'm French, coinigy is hard to pronounce

16:47

what is coinigy

16:47

so make it great

16:47

why are we calling people nigy's

16:47

phf`

gx: just fyi mac speech synth pronounces it as "coy-niggy"

16:48

well, you have a presence on irc so props for that.

16:49

kakobrekla regarding latency, the <20s is a catchall as not all exchanges offer websockets support. so we're forced to poll.

16:49

google translate says coy niggy too

16:49

what is the biz model of this?

16:49

lol at these pronounciations

16:49

fees kako

16:49

i'm not a coy nigger

16:50

twizt you cant just say 'fees' and think you are done explaining

16:50

this site has upset me.

16:50

lol

16:50

kakobrekla users purchase credits.

16:50

*

rithm runs off to eat watermelon

16:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00093771 = 16.1286 BTC [-] {3}

16:50

credits , like a monthly subscription or ?

16:50

credits are good for manual and auto trades

16:51

so pay as you go

16:51

not monthly, credits that are banked in your account, and are used up when you place a trade through the system

16:51

damn mpoe is going to crash down before divs are paid

16:51

yes, pay as you go.

16:51

!t m mpoe

16:51

Some are born to endless night.

16:51

!t m s.mpoe

16:51

[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00093761 / 0.00094535 / 0.00095556 (1383881 shares, 1,308.25 BTC), 7D: 0.00092844 / 0.00094327 / 0.00095866 (6785318 shares, 6,400.43 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00087641 / 0.00096 (29567602 shares, 25,913.37 BTC)

16:51

"We've been purposely vague up until this point as to what exactly Coinigy is, and how it works. " good stuff

16:52

>NOW COMPATIBLE WITH EVERY MAJOR CRYPTOCURRENCY EXCHANGE

16:52

you know wouldnt hurt to list those

16:52

TomServo

truffles: exactly where I stopped reading.

16:52

i have no idea what standards you got to apply for 'major'

16:52

im trying to continue

16:52

looked at pics though

16:53

anyway time is out.

16:53

this is tldr stuff

16:53

dude i can shorten this up for u

16:53

it's an email blast that we sent to our subscribers, it's not meant to be short nor tldr

16:53

damn stop wasting kako's time

16:53

he has like

16:53

umk

16:53

stuff to do

16:53

ask kako .01 btc / answer

16:54

its kinda bad was offering free help u know

16:54

regardless, we're still in alpha, we're not listing the specific exchanges although they can be seen in the screenshots.

16:54

i appreciate any help- and i expected criticism. main thing is just trying to get the word out.

16:54

anyways it nice to see creativity

16:55

okay don't listen gx

16:55

get the word out

16:55

have a bunch of people use your product

16:55

then it fails for the smallest reason

16:55

then everyone hates you

16:55

i wont hate u

16:55

truffles won't hate you

16:56

i don't care if anyone hates me, i pasted it here for a reason, harshest critics :)

16:57

i think theyre being nice though

16:58

gx hate is a dumb word, lets use distrust instead

16:58

u trust him now then

16:58

if people distrust you, then you have no foundation at all, and getting this "word out" is meaningless

16:59

understandable. we'll be updating the site with more information about us, including shoe pics, SSNs, etc soon.

16:59

;;gettrust gx

16:59

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mike_c to user gx: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mike_c&dest=gx | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gx | Rated since: Sat May 25 10:25:06 2013

16:59

lol

16:59

;;ident

16:59

Nick 'rithm', with hostmask 'rithm!~rithm@unaffiliated/rithm', is identified as user 'rithm', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 113UToFpzVkTHnavtNkUJtjdFQW2BU5xLW

16:59

no trust here either gx

16:59

don't feel bad

16:59

you guys are really crushing my soul right now.

17:00

dude who cares look at ur [m

17:00

pm*

17:00

lol

17:00

u can always start over

17:00

gx so who might you be ?

17:00

mircea_popescu i'm just a coder with ambition, that's all. and i've done trades on otc, just not under this nick

17:01

;;gettrust gx

17:01

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user gx: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=gx | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gx | Rated since: Sat May 25 10:25:06 2013

17:01

well under which nick ?

17:01

This user is currently NOT AUTHENTICATED. This user has not authenticated for more than 311 days. If you are currently talking to someone who claims to be this person, you may be talking to an impostor and scammer.

17:01

i'm trying to remember, it was a damn long time ago

17:02

smh

17:02

so then nm that neh ?

17:02

anyway. so you're a coder with ambition. got a name ?

17:02

sure, my name is william kehl. add me to your untrusted sources file :)

17:02

phf` lmao that's pretty kickass a name

17:02

http://www.mst.edu/

17:02

Missouri University of Science and Technology

17:03

aite.

17:03

anyways. my otc nick wouldve been gxdia or guardia, guess i didnt deal with that. maybe i'm thinking of litecoin otc

17:03

if that exists

17:03

afaik it does not.

17:03

http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratings.php that's a full list tho

17:03

;;gpg info guardia

17:03

No such user registered.

17:03

;;gpg info gxdia

17:03

No such user registered.

17:04

;;gpg info gx

17:04

User 'gx', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 14nQyQz1mxgPTmq7BGTQpgtT6mGdmsikeD, registered on Sat May 25 09:20:22 2013, last authed on Sat May 25 06:20:22 2013. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=gx . Currently not authenticated.

17:04

bam

17:04

guess not- i've bought and sold via irc though. a few years ago. guess i'll register with otc and then all will be well

17:04

o look TomServo lives. /me waves

17:04

;;balance 14nQyQz1mxgPTmq7BGTQpgtT6mGdmsikeD

17:04

0

17:04

since having an otc account is some standard of trust, lmao

17:04

lol

17:04

you guys are stalkers sheesh

17:04

WoT works tho...

17:04

TomServo

mircea_popescu: Ahoy!

17:05

;;gettrust Athero

17:05

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user Athero: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=Athero | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Athero | Rated since: never

17:05

;;gettrust Aethero

17:05

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user Aethero: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=Aethero | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Aethero | Rated since: Wed May 2 19:24:52 2012

17:05

aethero

17:05

like the butterfly

17:05

it's a genus or a species i do not reminder

17:05

this log is too short. pls thestringpuller to halp elongating ty.

17:05

lepidoptera was his girl

17:06

gx ok so you're an ambitious coder by the name of kehl, and you did what ?

17:06

some sort of autotrader script or am i not following ?

17:07

metrics and autotrading script that ties into multiple exchanges, yes.

17:07

cool.

17:07

and i'm still digging up my otc account

17:07

i swear i have one

17:07

you have any sort of relevant background ? like being a quant or a latency tech or something ?

17:07

ctrl+f'ing all over the place

17:07

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.58549129 = 11.1243 BTC [-] {10}

17:08

mircea_popescu i'm just a coder, but my biz partner has experience with quant and we have advisors who are daytraders

17:08

ic.

17:08

well, lotsa new people on here these days, pretty cool.

17:09

i've been idling in here for quite awhile, just dont speak up much

17:09

either that or you're significantly brighter than the average and just got lucky.

17:10

anyway. i gotta go now to stand trial as a witness in a civil proceeding @ a local bar, so.

17:10

plz don't break bitcoin while i

17:10

'm gone.

17:10

enjoy

17:10

i wanna be here to liveblog it when it happens.

17:11

diametric

so, i'm sifting through the scrollback. some kind of daytrading tool coming out soon?

17:11

i also have to bow out for some beers, it's been a pleasure, thanks for the lambasting everyone

17:11

;) hugz

17:11

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.068 = 0.476 BTC [-]

17:24

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0075 = 0.1875 BTC [+]

17:27

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 137 @ 0.0075 = 1.0275 BTC [+]

17:28

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06869732 = 0.3435 BTC [+] {2}

17:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55019 @ 0.00094238 = 51.8488 BTC [+] {5}

~ 15 minutes ~

17:50

did i hear truffles is back?

18:01

truffles is back, all these new faces

18:01

something's fishy.

~ 20 minutes ~

18:22

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06700001 = 0.201 BTC [-]

18:36

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.00083501 = 0.2505 BTC [-]

18:37

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 317 @ 0.000835 = 0.2647 BTC [-] {4}

18:38

WOW mpex in bloomberg

18:40

arizona

yessiree

18:41

Dun dun dunnnn

18:43

[HAVELOCK] [MS] 81 @ 0.00313709 = 0.2541 BTC [-] {7}

18:44

not the old news?

18:44

or very much the old news.

18:45

live? link?

18:47

http://search1.bloomberg.com/search/?content_type=all&page=1&q=mpex

18:47

mpex - Bloomberg Search

18:47

21 Mar 2014?

18:47

silly socks are silly, trolling with old news

18:47

yea

18:47

zacm, arizona, tg2

18:47

no subtlety, these guys.

18:47

i think zacm is legit, have seen him in #bitfunder for a long time

18:48

ah well bitfunder == legit then nooz to me

18:48

what about arizona

18:49

oic, sock accuasations from benkay - ahem

18:49

;;gpg eauth tg2

18:49

Request successful for user tg2, hostmask tg2!~tg2@205.204.66.35. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/31FAA963C3333333

18:49

well, 'sock'

18:50

who are you again?

18:50

;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:288632a9b19b898d49bd8da2a1e442d4f3aac51b71cde6fc8d4609ae

18:50

You are now authenticated for user tg2 with key 31FAA963C3333333

18:50

zacm is a legit idiot, yes

18:51

benkay why u calling me a sock

18:51

sock for who

18:51

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29050 @ 0.00094378 = 27.4168 BTC [+] {2}

18:51

which secret agenda am I pushing here lol

18:51

u savvy scare quotes?

18:52

scare for what?

18:52

implies b) c) or d) definitions for word

18:52

or maybe just a shibboleth

18:53

hard to tell on the internet.

18:53

hello?

18:53

this is dog.

18:54

you skipped your clozaril regimen?

18:54

Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1767942/plain/)

18:54

!b 8

18:55

.bait

18:55

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m305oyIb8V1qf3yy5o1_1280.jpg

18:55

> implying

18:56

T'sup nubbins.

18:56

nice dress

18:56

having a business meeting :0

18:57

well get off irc! how rude.

18:57

> business meeting is on irc

18:57

hm

18:59

so this is disconcerting to see the lemmings on bitcointalk cheer on us gov action against mpex people. bitcoin community must be eagerly anticipating govcoin i guess

18:59

what, govcoin?

18:59

the article is from 2014-03-19 but I only saw it today from this bitcointalk post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=553092.0

18:59

not three years of 'forum sucks, mpex at least isn't a scam' getting under everyone's skin?

18:59

ah okay

18:59

yea it's kinda old news

18:59

benkay, or whatever the federally approved crypto ends up being...

19:00

federally approved lol

19:00

there is another thread opened by mpoe-pr

19:00

o there's a new photo of mircea_popescu

19:00

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=520882.0

19:00

Interacting with fiat institutions [such as the SEC], a guide

19:00

mpoe-pr lol

19:02

that pic is horrible. *saves*

19:09

has anybody put any thought into a bitcoin insurance company?

19:10

not in the sense that "oh we'll replace your bitcoins if they get stolen or lost" type of stuff

19:10

but?

19:10

but for insuring companies that are traded

19:10

?

19:10

like a credit default swap

19:10

i guess

19:10

ah

19:10

need a derivative market

19:10

would make sense

19:10

you'd have to evaluate the business being insured

19:10

might be tough to get someone to take the other side

19:10

figure out a premium that makes sense

19:11

which companies would you insure, tg2 ?

19:11

well, there are afaik a few who want to open an insurance serivce.. even this twobitsidiot

19:11

any companies, they companies would pay the insurance as a sign of faith against insolvency

19:11

and reddit rumors mentioned a "big player"

19:11

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.066 = 0.198 BTC [-]

19:12

well given that 99% of 'bitcoin companies' are barely concealed scams, the thing doesn't fly unless you can point at a potential customer that's not a scam.

19:12

well SecondMarket CEO said that some large insurance companies were approaching him looking to create products around btc

19:12

maybe not like insurance, but instead a certification

19:12

like an auditor

19:12

someone audited coinbase

19:12

ah, i think that was what i meant, neilol

19:12

well not exactly

19:12

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0655 = 0.4585 BTC [-] {2}

19:12

its definitely a business

19:12

There is a working bitbet search plugin on mycroft now (no ref :P). The 2nd hit is the right one. For it to make sense it should be made auto-discoverable though. Like so https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Add-ons/Creating_OpenSearch_plugins_for_Firefox#Autodiscovery_of_search_plugins

19:13

there would be certification requirements

19:13

like proving that you are solvent every so often

19:13

proving that you follow certain guidelines

19:13

dignork

neilol, but audit was strictly technical, keys safety etc.

19:13

proving that certain key individuals are known identities

19:13

and who have actual real-world assets

19:13

without having them divulge that

19:13

but if they break their certification

19:13

everybody knows right away

19:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33503 @ 0.00094352 = 31.6108 BTC [-] {2}

19:14

a hybrid bond/certification system

19:14

yeah dignork you're right. I'm thinking something like a KPMG or Deloitte would do

19:14

seems a bit premature. there's barely anyone to trust in the first place, much less people in whom one can trust instead of actually trusting your counterparty.

19:14

full rip through of financials, accounts, investory etc and certify books match real life

19:14

no but I think that now would be time for that

19:14

neilol: let's just get someone who's not an MPEx scam to issue financials first before we worry about auditing those financials, eh?

19:14

haha

19:14

he's not kidding.

19:15

tg2: so start building some trust. run that operation.

19:15

it allows exchanges to prove to a certain degree of trust that that they are solvent without having to show their cold wallets to everybody

19:15

liek an audit

19:15

wild west has its drawbacks

19:15

but with an additional level of oversight

19:15

tg2: you'll have to overcome the stigma ratings agencies in btc face post-pirate.

19:16

begs the question: how could you do an audit without counter party trust

19:16

might be an oxymoron

19:16

no that is actually the question

19:16

trust is that which all business runs on.

19:16

no trust, no business.

19:16

"trust but verify" requires trusting first.

19:16

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [-]

19:16

turbo_ac100 the second hit?

19:17

it does yes

19:17

why do people trust bonds

19:17

HeySteve

working on a Proof of Trust coin. the Web of Trust has been an inspiration

19:17

why do they trust fannie/freddy

19:17

not that it isn't misplaced

19:17

tg2: why do they trust neobee?

19:18

tg2: why did they trust pirate?

19:18

tg2: why do people by pmbs?

19:18

well that is different, those people had direct interests with the company they were representing

19:18

we need a trusted auditing company like Arthur Anderson

19:18

then this shit won't happen anymore

19:19

we need companies that need auditing first, mike_c .

19:19

"need", also.

19:19

<benkay> we need companies that need auditing first, mike_c .

19:19

ugh. how old are you guys?

19:19

is enron before your time?

19:19

<benkay> well given that 99% of 'bitcoin companies' are barely concealed scams

19:19

too young :)

19:20

not entirely.

19:20

I think there is a need for this kind of liability secured "trust"

19:20

but let's go down the list by market cap, shall we?

19:20

who's got the biggest mktcap in btc-denominated securities?

19:20

sort of like a whoisguard but that holds the parties behind it responsible and sets up audit procedures and processes they have to follow

19:20

like a hybrid ISO and compliance board

19:21

really a 3rd party

19:21

who's best interest is in securing these businseses

19:21

;;calc 0.00094307 * 1000000000

19:21

943070

19:21

so that's mpex

19:21

almost a mil.

19:22

500m $USD

19:22

yet it holds no liability to the companies it lists OR the individuals that invest in it

19:22

*invest in those companies

19:22

"holds no liability to the companies it lists"

19:22

uh

19:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00093956 = 10.2412 BTC [-]

19:23

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0075 = 0.375 BTC [+]

19:23

like i'm twelve, please.

19:23

its worth $500m

19:23

943k, but semantics.

19:23

that is no security against the companies it lists running away and taking everyones $

19:23

are you familiar with bitvps, tg2 ?

19:23

yes i just read it actually

19:23

from the link posted by mircea_popescu before

19:23

so...

19:25

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0569 = 0.1707 BTC [-]

19:25

you're asking how a situation like that could have been mitigated by sucha trust organization?

19:25

har the value of S.MPOE is probably in that mircea_popescu delisted bitvps 'aggressively', whereas everyone else lists outright scams.

19:26

not really. everyone got paid out at par per the contract.

19:26

nothing to mitigate.

19:26

who paid them out

19:26

mpex

19:26

this trust thing, you see.

19:26

ok, I didn't read that in the delisting doc

19:26

well if it didn't happen you have quite the scoop there

19:26

no legal recourse from mpex -> bitvps?

19:27

;;google trilema gpg contracts

19:27

GPG contracts pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/>; The future of Bitcoin regulation pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/the-future-of-bitcoin-regulation/>; Some basic discussion of Bitcoin macroeconomy pe Trilema - Un ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-bitcoin-macroeconomy/>

19:27

no recourse in bitcoin.

19:27

but this company operates in the meatspace

19:27

think about it for a while

19:27

read the stuff

19:28

everything ultimately operates in meatspace.

19:28

ffs...

19:28

that link should be in the wiki

19:28

I honestly wasn't aware that mpex paid out for delinquent listings

19:28

tg2: you should read the listing contracts.

19:30

so anyways if you come up with anyone to whom you'd sell this bond/insurance/rating thinger let us know

19:30

but it sounds a little defocused.

19:30

kakobrekla: second hit when searching on mycroft. There are two versions since they (he?) do versioning by hand. Since 1998 I guess...

19:30

I'm just surprised that noone has pursued it, it seems that mpex is doing just that however by covering their delinquent listers

19:31

so that is good to see, not sure why that isn't advertised more prominently

19:31

turbo_ac100 i managed to come to that page but i still dot get it, what is the url that needs to be provided for the plugin

19:31

refrain of everyone who's looked into mpex more thoroughly, tg2

19:31

been there myself

19:32

the 'why' tho is that mp doesn't care about people who don't read in detail.

19:32

makes sense

19:32

I read the listing criteria I saw nothing about absolving personal liability in ti

19:32

other than WOT

19:33

well read the gpg contracts thing

19:33

apparently theres some xml file ?

19:33

but I guess that would go against it

19:33

'no recourse in bitcoin'

19:33

^

19:34

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05699999 = 0.171 BTC [+]

19:34

turbo_ac100 can you pastebin the xml ?

19:35

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [-]

19:35

sure

19:37

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06473333 = 0.1942 BTC [-] {2}

19:38

http://pastebin.com/X6T6RJ19

19:38

[XML] bitbet search - Pastebin.com

19:40

The "template" part should be axed. The mail address used was a meltmail.

19:40

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/01/us-bitcoin-mtgox-karpeles-idUSBREA3021920140401?irpc=932

19:40

Judge orders Mt Gox CEO to U.S. for questions on failed bitcoin exchange

19:40

Karpeles in the US - should be interesting

19:44

added to bitbet, can someone with firefox confirm it is actually working

19:45

it should be here? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/?atype=4

19:45

i have no clue

19:47

might have worked http://i.imgur.com/WD4R2ZI.png

19:47

i don't know if that was there before :)

19:47

for me it says Firefox couldn't download search engine http://bitbet.us/media/search.xml

19:48

"error on line 10 at column 16: Opening and ending tag mismatch: Image line 0 and SearchPlugin"

19:48

newline fuck up?

19:48

looks like <os:Image tag is not closed

19:49

or rather, it is closed before the 'data' element.

19:49

ehm.

19:49

my bad. Just a second

19:49

hm

19:49

i removed one part of it

19:50

this

19:50

<os:Url type="application/opensearchdescription+xml" method="GET" template="http://mycroftproject.com/updateos.php/id0/bitbetusv4.xml" rel="self">

19:50

</os:Url>

19:50

i mean this line:

19:50

isnt this waht you said to axe out

19:50

<os:Image width="16" height="16">data:image/x-icon;base64,AAABAAIAEBAAAAAAIABoBAAAJgAAACAgAAAAACAAqBAAAI4EAAAoAAAAEAAAACAAAAABACAAAAAAAEAEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA////Af///wH///8B///$

19:51

a yea

19:52

http://pastebin.com/sax3cFV7

19:52

[XML] bitbet search - Pastebin.com

19:52

aha

19:52

what about that get template thing

19:53

mike_c does it work nao?

19:54

looks good to me

19:54

second to last line there is a 'template=' part pointing to mycroft that *shouldn't* be needed since you can't use the template anyway

19:54

works here too

19:54

great, thank you both

19:54

;;rated turbo_ac100

19:54

You have not yet rated user turbo_ac100

19:54

;;rate turbo_ac100 1 did a firefox plugin for bitbet

19:54

Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

19:55

do you have a handle?

19:55

Will register. Haven't done so for too long. I'll come back to you.

19:55

okie

19:55

just what i needed.. easier access to bitbet. there goes another pile of coins.

19:56

lol

19:56

thanks turbo_ac100!

19:56

Itch == scratched!

20:06

beery musings on hiring cut rate developers and bringing technical debt down on your non-technical ass: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/01_i-dont-build-vms-on-developer-machines.html

20:06

blackwhite, mike_c mircea_popescu kakobrekla jurov and others with experience in software game thoughts welcome

20:07

Fodder for people writing BitBets http://deadspin.com/60-maybe-surprising-player-projections-from-baseball-1556153816

20:07

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20797 @ 0.00093956 = 19.54 BTC [-]

20:14

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 37 @ 0.04297892 = 1.5902 BTC [-] {17}

20:15

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=552981.msg6025913#msg6025913

20:15

MPOE-PR Perma-Banned after warning, Temp Ban more appropriate?

20:15

:(

20:16

she needs a break anyways

20:16

all that cortisol's gotta hurt after a while

20:18

Yeah.

20:19

blurden

who was she?

20:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 753 @ 0.00093959 = 0.7075 BTC [+]

20:21

blurden: She did PR work for mircea_popescu on the forum. And was banned yesterday. Only real ourcomes is the forum is nao shittier and MPEx loses a recurring expense.

20:21

;;ticker m s.mpoe

20:21

(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)

20:21

!t m s.mpoe

20:21

[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00093761 / 0.00094363 / 0.00095224 (1204518 shares, 1,136.63 BTC), 7D: 0.00092844 / 0.00094315 / 0.00095866 (6836953 shares, 6,448.31 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00087678 / 0.00096 (29662669 shares, 26,007.79 BTC)

20:21

!t h neo

20:21

The vision of Christ that thou dost see ... is my vision's greatest enemy.

20:21

!t h neobee

20:21

[HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00155000 / 0.00222093 / 0.00288888 (79093 shares, 175.66021386 BTC), 30D: 0.00155000 / 0.00341061 / 0.00540000 (458355 shares, 1563.26867969 BTC)

20:24

blurden

!t h rentalstarter

20:24

The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.

20:24

blurden

!t h rent

20:25

[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00750000 / 0.0075 / 0.00750000 (1705 shares, 12.78750000 BTC), 7D: 0.00525030 / 0.00722193 / 0.00750000 (20590 shares, 148.69955354 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00614936 / 0.00900001 (59161 shares, 363.80201440 BTC)

20:25

! h cog

20:26

http://bitslog.wordpress.com/2014/04/01/the-people-behind-bitcoin/

20:26

The people behind Bitcoin | bitslog

20:29

"So once again, I must thank Aravind, Gavin, Timo, Luis and all other great people for being behind Bitcoin, which means no other thing that transmitting the passion for it to other people."

20:30

I smell another hardfork in the next 18 months

20:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62450 @ 0.00093696 = 58.5132 BTC [-] {3}

20:38

!t h cog

20:38

[HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 30D: 0.00200000 / 0.03005337 / 0.06998899 (913 shares, 27.43872983 BTC)

20:38

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00093677 = 6.37 BTC [-]

20:39

more of a FOG than COG

20:39

kakobrekla do you know who banned you?

20:40

first time yes, second time no

20:40

so they actually act anonymously. cowardly scum

20:41

who was the first?

20:41

badbear

20:42

ah, with the good trust trating already lol

~ 15 minutes ~

20:57

;;gpg eauth asciilifeform

20:57

Request successful for user asciilifeform, hostmask asciilifeform!~asciilife@pool-71-191-246-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/B98228A001ABFFC7

20:58

;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:6d513a0718c57a04a7b7789d1718a0451eb1f4173191a8c2476bf21b

20:58

You are now authenticated for user asciilifeform with key B98228A001ABFFC7

20:59

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/snsa-march-2014-statement << looks correct.

20:59

damn i leave for one day to do meatspace crap and miss all the fun.

21:01

how difficult is it to get listed on mpex... kakobrekla asciilifeform etc could comment on it << i still have no idea what to say to hypothetical random people who want to be listed.

21:01

aside from 'have useful idea, mp might invite you as co-author'

21:03

well, you're skipping the step where you spent x years becoming an expert in your field.

21:04

Well, the history of ventures without MP as a coauthor on MPEx hasn't been spectacular with X.EUR's fate undetermined as of yet. Maybe davout should be included in the asked as well.

21:10

plenty of people know how to program.

21:10

but, for some reason, they are all very far away.

21:10

or, almost all.

21:15

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10347 @ 0.00093871 = 9.7128 BTC [+]

21:18

Well, there's programing, programming well, copypasta, and then just being a dick to a REPL prompt

21:19

BCB

who did MP piss off this time?

21:19

BCB: The PR pissed off Maged

21:19

BCB

ha

21:19

BCB

what happened ;;tldr

21:19

Maged or other mods had been deleting posts, so... loss doesn't seem to be big

21:19

maged: "shut up". PR: "fuck you". maged: "you're banned".

21:20

Basically it was the NeoBee thread.

21:20

http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/01/betting-analysis-gems-bitbet-py/

21:20

Betting Analysis Gems: BitBet.py | Bingo Blog

21:21

BingoBoingo: can you wrap that in <pre></pre> ?

21:22

mike_c: It doesn't work with the footnotes tool like that. Simply returns the same result.

21:22

And April Fools, so puzzle

21:23

hehe. you are full of puzzles lately.

21:24

mike_c: Well, why not?

21:25

no reason. keep us on our toes.

21:27

At least I didn't try translating the thing to a LISP first

21:37

haha: http://isecpartners.github.io/passwords/2014/03/31/smart-password-evaluator.html

21:37

All ur pass are belong to iSec

21:37

MisterE: reminiscent of the 'is my bank card stolen' service.

21:38

:D

21:41

for those who remember mp's essay about bezzle-dollars:

21:41

apparently one of the things you can't get for these is: rental house in the wash. dc metro area.

21:42

it is always one thing to read a philosophical bit, and another to taste it on one's sorry skin

21:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40216 @ 0.00094042 = 37.8199 BTC [+] {2}

21:43

if only we had that 'rental starter' crap here.

21:45

*

asciilifeform will soon have finished 7th year in a 30 m^2 flat.

21:45

I live in a box too

21:47

asciilifeform: Well, if moving to the midwest was an option for you...

21:47

BingoBoingo: i'd move to antarctica if there were work there.

21:48

And such is the problem

21:48

hell, to mars.

21:51

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00583999 = 0.292 BTC [+] {3}

21:54

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00584186 = 0.222 BTC [+] {2}

21:55

not far off is the day when the black mold outweighs me, gram for gram.

21:56

Well, I had the great fortune of once living next to the bulding whose walkway collapsed first

21:56

i do believe that my kitchen floor will collapse 'when', not 'if'

21:56

LMAO @ MOPE PR banned

21:57

old news

21:57

check logs

21:57

move on

21:58

so a comment is not allowed being that the world and this chanel doesn't revolve around your time zone?

21:59

I dont read bitcointalk unless directed to it

21:59

what time zone are you in?

22:05

+7

22:05

Bangkok

22:07

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17895 @ 0.00094128 = 16.8442 BTC [+]

22:10

whatever happened to goat?

22:11

thestringpuller: Now he wants Garr's head

22:11

lolol whut?

22:12

thestringpuller: Now that Cog has become so far beyond saving, he finally got angry

22:13

http://imgur.com/kKgYXoH

22:13

imgur: the simple image sharer

22:13

^ early draft of a poster we're working on

22:13

lel

22:13

embiggen sunburst

22:14

Vaca Cabeza.

22:15

If anyone spots a tsunami lemme know.

22:21

yea been loking myself

22:21

this is where it is headed

22:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00094128 = 5.177 BTC [+]

22:29

a tsunami is coming towards your home

22:29

created by local field disturbances created by...

22:29

your mother

22:31

not possible, mother is not local

22:32

heh, a guy i sold a casascius coin to has decided he really can't afford it and is wondering if i'll buy it back from him

22:32

imagine

22:33

i distinctly recall saying you basically robbed the guy

22:33

so... surprise?

22:33

nubbins`: i wonder if anyone would buy a casascius coin that i've touched, after what i said about them

22:33

plot thickens...

22:34

Mats_cd03, i resent that!

22:34

nobody was basically robbed :0

22:34

asciilifeform: It might have extra numismatic value

22:34

lol

22:35

asciilifeform: only way to be certain is to buy one and try to sell it ;p

22:36

"I've been reconsidering my finances and I'm not sure I am in a position to hold on to this collectors item"

22:38

i mean, i feel bad for the guy

22:38

but i'm not about to buy a coin off some random noob with no trust ;p

22:39

those things are such a crapshoot. you have to trust the whole chain of people who have ever touched it.

22:41

how's the market? has the premium over btc moved up or down?

22:41

on those coins? they hold a nice premium

22:42

yeah, i'm wondering the trend. nubbins` has been dealing them for awhile

22:42

i sold mine at 50% premium months ago and i'm seeing em go for 100% over face now :-\

22:42

wow

22:42

dexX7_

re: mpoe-pr ban ... was this an april fools joke? i don't see any sign of a ban

22:42

percentage over face isn't a great way to price them, it's better to think in terms of absolute value over face

22:42

mike_c: depends on the coins. brass ones in general pull smaller premiums

22:43

the silver 1btc coins fetch 2.1-2.3 these days

22:43

O_O

22:43

Ken`

will mtgox yubikeys ever become a collector's item?

22:43

Ken`

got one here with logo

22:43

the last silver 0.5btc coin i sold (rare holo, mintage 45) went for 6btc

22:43

10$ in 10 years Ken` .

22:43

unfortunately kako already used the largest eyes possible

22:44

nubbins`: what are the 10BTC silvers goin for?

22:44

also whats with the brass hate

22:44

joecool i've seen rubes offering upwards of 25btc, but this is a guaranteed loss.

22:44

its 99% guaranteed brass

22:44

nubbins`: omg really?

22:44

i wouldn't pay a satoshi over 15

22:44

nubbins`: i sold mine for 15

22:45

kakobrekla: honestly i don't know.

22:45

the casascius market is on drugs

22:45

2011 1btc with series-1 "error" holo: 3-5btc

22:45

it's like the miner market, OVERPAY FOR ANYTHING WITH BTC STAMP ON IT

22:46

2011 1btc with series-2 holo (much more rare): 2btc

22:46

go figure

22:46

should make a special btc logo featured turdtwister

22:46

25btc coin: 35-40btc

22:46

because "less than 2x face"

22:46

hah. nice.

22:46

so all the poor rubes go "ah, less than 2x face, great deal", thinking that's how coins are priced.

22:47

it's shocking

22:47

how much are the empty ones?

22:48

depends, maybe a hundred bucks for a brass

22:48

fucked.

22:48

empty 25s go for several hundred

22:48

crazy, mike's doin p.well for himself i guess

22:48

afaik he was independently wealthy before he started making coins

22:49

but yes, at the time he stopped, he no doubt had a massive pile of btc

22:49

i personally gave him something over 60btc

22:49

i was looking at the gox db leak, he moved coin out of there pretty quickly, i do not think he was one of the big losers in there

22:50

nah, he's smarter than that

22:50

"numismatic value" lmao

22:51

MisterE: it's a real thing, imagine ;D

22:51

lol I know :)

22:52

I'd just like to buy the bullion without the numismatic part sir

22:52

you can keep the extended warranty service too.

22:53

heh.

22:53

self-sufficiency is its own reward :)

22:53

well, ya know... amagimetals.com, silvergoldbull.com, etc :D

22:53

silvergoldbull haha

22:53

bullion is a nice hedge

22:53

ah hey, Square gives you a free card reader when you sign up for an account

22:53

neat

22:56

i set the 'bozo bit' on 'square' when they caved in to the FUD and replaced their purely-analogue card reader with an elaborate crypto turd

22:57

just so people couldn't use it as a generic magstripe reader.

22:57

too bad

22:57

just what stores with a rack of 8 readers need, another one

22:57

http://venturebeat.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/square1.jpg?w=716

22:57

(new)

22:58

asciilifeform: good to know, i need to dig around and see if i have any of the old style

22:58

I'm so glad I hang out here and dont have to track all these scams by myself

22:59

http://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/square.jpg?w=470&h=136

22:59

(old)

22:59

Ahh these are for smartphones

22:59

wow, look at that.

23:00

MisterE yep, turn a tablet into a PoS

23:00

amazing what people are willing to spend on inserting antifeatures.

23:00

AMAZING COMPANY!

23:00

that really is a crypto-turd

23:00

pretty good side by side comparison, obviously the old model is just a magnetic head

23:00

yeah

23:01

pay moar, for less functionality!

23:01

suppose you could make one out of an old tape recorder and a few lines of objective-c

23:01

excuse was, if i recall, that scammers will use the reader to lift cc #s.

23:01

as if these had any trouble buying chinese readers

23:01

(these, and stacks of blank cards, sell on ebay every day)

23:01

thats exactly what I was thinking when I saw it, old tape recorder

23:02

alignment is critical

23:02

most cards have multiple tracks.

23:02

yea cloning is trivial and has been I don't buy it

23:03

the more realistic explanation is that they didn't care to see people write magstripe stuff using their reader

23:03

(original 'square' reader was usable by any machine that had a 3.5mm headphone jack)

23:04

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61789884 = 1.2358 BTC [+] {2}

23:08

nod

23:09

wellllll, still a tip-two ring-sleeve jack

23:09

tip-two-ring-sleeve

23:09

w/e, you know what i mean :D

23:09

(this is the same sort of jack that headphone+microphone combos use)

23:14

or A/V/cables

23:15

A/V cables*

23:15

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 58 @ 0.0039993 = 0.232 BTC [-] {4}

23:18

yep

23:20

yeah - but the new turd craps out a blob rsa'd to square's public key.

23:20

rather than plain stripe bits.

23:26

https://bitcointa.lk/threads/maged-permabanned-mpoe-pr-because-she-swore-shock.292615/page-2#post-5747430

23:26

Maged permabanned MPOE-PR because she swore shock | Page 2 | Bitcointa.lk

23:28

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00592698 = 0.1126 BTC [+] {2}

23:28

bitcointa.lk loads up really slow

23:36

damn! http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2014/Apr/14

23:38

Diablo-D3

lol

23:38

where in the world is carmen sandiego

23:38

i mean danny brewster

23:39

nobody knows

23:39

maybe he really is in a coma

23:40

doesnt make any sense

23:40

you would think someone would have maybe made like a half ass statement or something by now

23:41

maybe the scammers disappeared him

23:43

mpex got him tied up

23:43

Who really knows if "Danny Brewster"==Danny Brewster.

23:44

what does he have a fake family now too lol

23:53

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0075 = 0.375 BTC [+]

23:53

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [-]

23:55

stompysteve: Who is to know that Neo Danny wasn't some orderly who stole coma Danny's identity

23:58