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00:01 Duffer1 reinstall java maybe?
00:02 Vexual delete java
00:05 B007 i like writing java exploits
00:05 B007 so much fun
00:07 Vexual are the spars painted plastic?
00:08 Duffer1 it's all wood and string and copper
00:08 Vexual whats it worth?
00:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.08699999 = 0.174 BTC [+]
00:09 Vexual those hooks should be lashed
00:09 Duffer1 ;;later tell thestringpuller must be java problem http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=d767b59 http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=57922df http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=3f29bfd http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=d41c734
00:09 gribble The operation succeeded.
00:09 Duffer1 lies what hooks?
00:10 Vexual abaft the ratlines
00:10 Duffer1 you can get a finished one on ebay i'm sure dirt cheap
00:10 Vexual not with a copper hull
00:11 Vexual put aleanor gibbens on the deck and we'll talk coin
00:12 Duffer1 ha
00:12 Duffer1 i'm pretty sure the hooks are period correct
00:12 MisterE when will we test 500 already?!?!
00:12 MisterE today for sure
00:12 KRS-One second hand word from ne0futur is that mtgox was hacked...anyone?
00:16 mircea_popescu KRS-One that scammer is still talking in public ?
00:16 mircea_popescu fascinating.
00:19 MisterE I doubt even the people in Gox know wtf is going on let alone outsiders
00:20 KRS-One Yes, supposedly. I got that info from someone else.
00:21 KRS-One i just joined the chan where is talking #mtgox-chat
00:22 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4Z9AuT9g5k
00:22 KRS-One http://www.ustream.tv/channel/mtgox-protest
00:22 KRS-One live feed from mtgox hq
00:23 Vexual fuck 13 k viewers
00:23 kakobrekla lol that guy "we knew mtgox is idiots"
00:23 kakobrekla then why the fuck did you have money there
00:23 Vexual nneds more stippers
00:24 Vexual can we get btc girls in tokyo?
00:25 decimation needs more bums too. I bet most bums in Japan are too polite to be much use here though
00:25 cazalla even if they had my coins, i wouldn't sit out there all day
00:25 Vexual roastu ducku tabemashteka?
00:26 Vexual me neither, id send an email
00:26 Vexual shall i traslate?
00:26 KRS-One need moar young japanese hello kitty girls
00:26 KRS-One .bait
00:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.16230094 = 0.8115 BTC [-]
00:27 Vexual ozbot asleep
00:28 decimation the irony of this whole affair is that while various us states are contemplating idiotic bitcoin regulation, actual bitcoin villians are scamming funds from us citizens
00:29 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wa95CvhESQ
00:33 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADo6wawOUFo
00:33 decimation such poor editing
00:34 Vexual its a lime stream
00:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.485 = 3.395 BTC [+]
00:35 Vexual hey its a mac, AusBitBank should go and steal it!
00:35 decimation no I mean your japanese music videos
00:35 Vexual yeah
00:35 * AusBitBank wakes up
00:35 Vexual lol
00:35 Vexual sup AusBitBank?
00:36 AusBitBank nothin much .. what am I stealing now ? *reads backlog*
00:36 Vexual nothing i know of
00:37 Vexual unless you're affiliated with gox these dyas? :)
00:37 AusBitBank lol nah I cut ties with that trainwreck long ago
00:37 decimation lol all the sad sacks whining on the ustream
00:38 decimation I sold my house and gave the proceeds to Karapales why oh why
00:39 Vexual its all good in the neighbourhood mano
00:40 Vexual i kinda wish i had an account
00:40 decimation just so you can watch the trainwreck?
00:41 Vexual yeah
00:41 Vexual bitcoinity should aution gifspace
00:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-]
00:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00086793 = 37.8417 BTC [-] {2}
00:51 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajeL87l3prM
00:53 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBcywAE1pTk
00:59 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YbGN1BMSLc
01:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.06200001 = 0.992 BTC [-] {2}
01:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0055 = 0.1375 BTC
01:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1024 = 0.3072 BTC [+] {2}
01:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06200001 = 0.124 BTC [-]
01:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-]
01:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00086861 = 4.9511 BTC [+]
01:10 Vexual KRS-One that stream would be a lot more interesting with godzilla
01:12 Vexual did they move to shibuya?
01:13 Vexual can we get these guys on chan?
01:13 Vexual ill buy em a pizza
01:13 Luke-Jr >_< that SubsidyAlgo patch broke it
01:16 Vexual oh
01:16 Vexual does dhl fly there?
01:18 Vexual what journalist?
01:22 Duffer1 i keep checking log to see if you're talking to someone i have on ignore..
01:22 Vexual me?
01:22 Duffer1 ya lol
01:22 Vexual luke was ere, is he ignore?
01:23 Duffer1 nope
01:23 Vexual im just talking to myself
01:23 Duffer1 <3
01:23 Vexual >_<
01:27 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Quy2RhefKT0
01:28 Vexual dhl!
01:30 greenspan_fan and the marketplace deliver: https://www.bitcoinbuilder.com/
01:30 greenspan_fan (don't know if anyone has already mentioned it)
01:31 Vexual tre market
01:32 greenspan_fan or, if you prefer, technical people looking to profit off of technical incompetence
01:33 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint/
01:33 mircea_popescu required reading, as they say.
01:35 mircea_popescu Luke-Jr say wut ?
01:35 mircea_popescu greenspan_fan yeah we had a lol yest.
01:36 greenspan_fan idk if it's completely fungible; you can analyze the blockchain, right? and idk if there's a mixer that you can trust.
01:37 kakobrekla Sorry kakobrekla, you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.
01:37 kakobrekla You have been banned by a forum moderator. You may appeal here: banappeals-w6pquw43@theymos.e4ward.com .
01:37 kakobrekla ok so this is the new ban model
01:37 Vexual you're always benned
01:37 kakobrekla yeah well ill ban them back if they come here!!11
01:38 Vexual excellent
01:38 greenspan_fan like I mean, once you have a certain amount of information about the users inferences between two addresses becomes much more accurate
01:39 greenspan_fan what would you do if people started leaning on you for data on your customers?
01:39 mircea_popescu greenspan_fan nope, you can't "analyze" the blockchain,
01:40 mircea_popescu you can just think you can.
01:40 mircea_popescu kakobrekla hardly worth the attention now are they.
01:40 Vexual i lik ethis gox,bum, just trading
01:41 Vexual stop asking feckin stoopid questiuns
01:41 kakobrekla anyone with half a brain is not there.
01:41 Vexual yeah well i dont have a pssport
01:41 mircea_popescu hes just trying to get a bitcent or w/e it is.
01:42 Vexual 32ksterling
01:43 Vexual oim fookin ruined!
01:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9932 @ 0.00087296 = 8.6702 BTC [+]
01:48 mircea_popescu https://blog.blockchain.info/
01:48 mircea_popescu check out the derpage seriously.
01:48 mircea_popescu bluehost ?
01:48 Vexual derpage be in the feed
01:49 Vexual how much yen u lost? whoa i cant count
01:49 kakobrekla but can you cunt?
01:50 Vexual you dont even know kano :)(
01:50 Vexual im surely feeling a fiddle coming on
01:52 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGPGknpq3e0
01:53 greenspan_fan I was hoping for a link with more fiddle
01:54 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xmg0uVsPpk
01:55 BingoBoingo kakobrekla: Congratulations on defending the slander of your soul from the indignity of being allowed on Bitcointalk
01:56 kakobrekla thank you!
01:56 kakobrekla i would drink some voda and instant coffee to toast if i had some
01:56 kakobrekla vodka
01:57 benkay amazing concontion
01:57 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
01:57 mircea_popescu got potatoes ?
01:57 benkay cuntcocktion
01:58 kakobrekla i got potatoes, i love potatoes, i dont hav etime
01:59 mircea_popescu so if you don't have time, have a potato.
01:59 benkay potahto
01:59 Vexual no more whisky no more gin
02:00 Vexual its vodka dribbling down my svchin
02:00 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ouqhCtIh2g&feature=kp
02:00 kakobrekla raw potato will make my time even shorter
02:00 benkay this is disappointing: https://blockchain.info/address/13iGD7nu6kXTtPS9DxKhY4gJdgchvdXJFH
02:01 Duffer1 ?
02:01 kakobrekla is that gox cold storage?
02:01 Duffer1 ha
02:04 benkay http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/
02:04 mircea_popescu This exceptionally cold and snowy winter has shown that government climate scientists were dead wrong when it came to predicting just how cold this winter would be, while the 197-year old Farmers’ Almanac predicted this winter would be “bitterly cold”.
02:04 mircea_popescu moar farmer's almanac.
02:05 benkay i'm going to go ahead and guess they're both kinda just stochastically wrong
02:05 greenspan_fan stochastically? climate science makes bad predictions due to overfitting
02:06 greenspan_fan "With four parameters I can fit an elephant, and with five I can make him wiggle his trunk" -- Abraham Lincoln
02:06 mircea_popescu actually i'm with greenspan_fan here.
02:06 benkay wrong with a beautifully normal distribution on some wrongness axis
02:06 mircea_popescu they overfit to all hell, which is the bane of noobs and politicos in science.
02:06 mircea_popescu and finance.
02:06 mircea_popescu and everything.
02:07 Vexual i agree check your barometer and your atns
02:07 benkay not really buying that an almanac is more accurate
02:08 mircea_popescu why not ?
02:08 greenspan_fan if climate change worries you, looking at the reports they don't really publicize that some places stand to benefit
02:08 greenspan_fan I'd take it more seriously if all the people involved were buying up russian and canadian farmland
02:08 benkay eh not terribly worried about the downside. i know it's pretty bad.
02:08 mircea_popescu greenspan_fan meta fitting :)
02:08 Duffer1 kansas needs shoreline
02:08 Vexual why no aussie greenspan_fan?
02:09 benkay gotta drain the tundra, greenspan_fan.
02:09 benkay it's not simply farmable as is.
02:09 mircea_popescu benkay minable.
02:09 greenspan_fan Vexual: ozone depletion, so you get (more) cancer w/ your tan? I haven't looked at it in years though
02:09 Vexual china is buying our arable land like theres no tommorrow
02:10 jurov benkay you need water, not just soil
02:10 benkay mircea_popescu i was going to bring up water table problems but just freeze a berm around your mining works el oh el oh el
02:11 mircea_popescu im not a geologist employed by a venture fund trying to buy siberian lands, so what do i care about the water table et all.
02:11 mircea_popescu obviously some places will be better and others worse, but we're discussing the birdseye view here
02:11 benkay nm
02:12 mircea_popescu it'll drain somewhere. you don't really want to buy the riverbed, i guess, but if you disperse your ownership you gotta average out ok.
02:12 benkay i don't really expect accuracy on predictions of the behavior of a really complex multidimensional set of oscillators and dampers (see: planetary processes of weather etc) with totally unknown coupling from a set of modelers whose heads gotta be up they asses much less a book from a ways back
02:13 mircea_popescu benkay the book is better, strictly because it doesn't have the tools to overfit with.
02:13 mircea_popescu you familiar with the concept of overfitting ?
02:13 greenspan_fan well, the book looks at far less data, and perhaps those parameters are better selected
02:13 mircea_popescu greenspan_fan nah, they simply don't know math. that's their saving grace.
02:13 Vexual overfitting is imaining where the diamonds are without sighting them?
02:13 benkay intimately. i did a spot of modeling when building a wafer host for a wager probing mfgr.
02:13 mircea_popescu benkay ok so then.
02:14 greenspan_fan I'm doing some modelling too, but it's mostly catalogue work for sears
02:14 mircea_popescu not knowing you can do complex poly fitting means you'll just draw a line through the datapoints
02:14 benkay okay out of curiosity, on what bases were the authors of this almanac predicting?
02:14 mircea_popescu rather than end up with some crazy.
02:14 greenspan_fan I think it's just cyclical trends?
02:14 benkay fully granted
02:14 mircea_popescu benkay hearsay.
02:15 mircea_popescu i think you underestimate the majorly powerful computer natural language is.
02:15 mircea_popescu you perhaps imagine mankind hasn't been using computers before the numeric machines. this would be false.
02:15 benkay hah i do?
02:15 mircea_popescu i dunno, why im proposing it.
02:16 benkay i operate from the basis that we're just chemical machines.
02:16 greenspan_fan additionally, all the fancy numerical methods we use are older than the farmer's almanac, or close to
02:16 mircea_popescu a ok then. well that'd be overfitting for our needs.
02:16 mircea_popescu let's say that we are chemical machines which fit a very primitive lua.
02:16 benkay cognition, layered abstractions.
02:16 mircea_popescu much like bitcoin is running on supercomputers but basically oding some very primitive scripting.
02:16 mircea_popescu you with me ?
02:17 benkay yeah yeah
02:17 mircea_popescu so a bunch of derps cca 1700 who are desperately aware of farming, cause their life depends on it
02:17 mircea_popescu will make and diffuse observations, which is not so unlike asciilifeform's light problem solver yest.
02:17 mircea_popescu eventually they compute something
02:17 assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00226762 = 1.0204 BTC [+]
02:17 mircea_popescu and that something is the farmer's almanac.
02:18 greenspan_fan it's kind of like feature discovery in AI
02:18 mircea_popescu it's not either very good or very fixable (or actionable, scientifically)
02:18 mircea_popescu but it IS a better fit than the modern climate science.
02:18 greenspan_fan you quantify something (albeit abstractly, like "cold winter" or "windy previous season" or whatever)
02:18 mircea_popescu greenspan_fan that's the beauty of natural language vs math.
02:18 mircea_popescu "cold winter" IS a quantification in that sense.
02:19 mircea_popescu it just doesn't have a numeric value
02:19 mircea_popescu it has a lingustic value.
02:19 benkay oh man but this system has a horrible problem
02:19 mircea_popescu it does yes
02:19 mircea_popescu a number of them.
02:19 greenspan_fan hence abstractly; then you can form causal relationships between your observations
02:19 mircea_popescu greenspan_fan yeah we're pretty much in agreement.
02:19 benkay which is that most people have just totally fucked substrates for running these operations
02:19 mircea_popescu benkay errors diverge.
02:20 mircea_popescu that's why it takles 197 fucking years to even compute anything usable.
02:20 greenspan_fan additionally, people reinforce their belief on correct predictions and the people who are bad at thinking in terms of a-->b tend to starve vs. write almanacks
02:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00087605 = 10.0746 BTC [+] {2}
02:21 mircea_popescu and a whole slew of things such as group selection, and marginalisation, etc
02:21 mircea_popescu all flow from trying to keep the machine as sharp as possible.
02:21 greenspan_fan what is cool is that there's all these (possibly apocryphal) stories about how, say, the inuit have 47 different words for snow
02:21 mircea_popescu that's why the scapegoat is NOT a "horrible crime" in a 1700s culture, but quite fucking required, sane and reasonable.
02:22 greenspan_fan why would you need so many words? because these are the features that you use to interpret your environment, and sometimes survival means knowing light, wet snow from permafrost
02:22 mircea_popescu greenspan_fan boas' idea is widely disputed.
02:22 mircea_popescu i wouldn't use it raw like that.
02:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07001 = 1.0502 BTC [+]
02:24 benkay there being a relationship between abstraction power of words and the number of maintained in brain on mental horsepower.
02:24 benkay some optimization point on the curve, etc
02:24 mircea_popescu benkay the original argument against teaching the plebs to write.
02:24 mircea_popescu still valid to this day.
02:24 benkay hah i get it fills their brains with ideas they can't handle
02:24 mircea_popescu the original argument against moving away from latin service in church. "what and lose all that abstraction power ?!?!"
02:24 benkay they'll go crazy!
02:25 mircea_popescu benkay no. "it will take more than they can carry to teach them what we mean by all the words"
02:25 mircea_popescu "they'll fuck up the values of our variables and break all the code"
02:25 benkay does latin have significant abstraction power?
02:25 benkay also what are your favorite languages?
02:25 mircea_popescu in the sense that at the time french didn't exist latin had been used continuously by millions for millenia
02:25 mircea_popescu yes it did.
02:26 greenspan_fan english, lisp, then latin in my case
02:26 mircea_popescu greek, latin and romanian.
02:26 greenspan_fan vulgus vult decepi, ergo decepitur
02:27 benkay what's your ranking of them by power of expression?
02:27 mircea_popescu there's no such power of expression function that can be discussed over the set.
02:27 benkay sure and all programming languages are turing equivalent so why bother
02:27 greenspan_fan I'd put english, then lisp, then latin, but that's probably by order of familiarity
02:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00087697 = 5.6126 BTC [+]
02:28 mircea_popescu benkay if you care of some inkiling of why greek is the mother of them all, maybe http://trilema.com/2009/etimologia-democratiei/
02:28 greenspan_fan I'm kinda skeptical that you can trace lisp back to greek
02:28 mircea_popescu you can trace thought back to greek
02:28 mircea_popescu lisp, not so much.
02:29 greenspan_fan I can't even find a keyboard that has the greek alphabet in it
02:29 mircea_popescu no space cadet where you live ?
02:29 greenspan_fan have you read Jaynes' "The origin of consciousness in the breakdown of the bicameral mind"? it's kinda on point in that regard
02:29 mircea_popescu yeah.
02:30 greenspan_fan and no, so all my variables are "alpha" or "epsilon", which is frankly depressing
02:30 benkay mircea_popescu: what did you think of the Jaynes book?
02:30 mircea_popescu i thought it was okay.
02:31 greenspan_fan it's more something that you read about for the ideas, rather than because it's a complete and fleshed out theory
02:32 benkay on an entirely unrelated topic
02:33 benkay this waffling about the legality of bitcoin by places thailand etc are just going to delay its recognition as a thing by the big institutions
02:33 benkay which is great
02:33 mircea_popescu it's really indiferent.
02:34 greenspan_fan more time to perfect the algorithm vs. faster adoption?
02:34 mircea_popescu take the great plague. what difference does the church pronouncement against a great plague, or for it, or about it
02:34 mircea_popescu make to the plague itself ?
02:34 greenspan_fan if you tell all the churchgoers to stay indoors it might make a difference
02:34 mircea_popescu did it ?
02:35 mircea_popescu plagues run to completion. they know.
02:35 greenspan_fan haha
02:35 greenspan_fan and sometimes, the people it forces to stay indoors invent calculus
02:35 greenspan_fan or something. I forget.
02:36 mircea_popescu sure. lawsky will probably invent a whole new way of fucking women in your office
02:36 mircea_popescu owing to his very bizzare low table.
02:36 greenspan_fan googled it, was not disappointed
02:37 mircea_popescu one thing that always shocked me about soviet aparatchicks was how horribly bad their suits were.
02:37 mircea_popescu today what shocks me about the soviet aparatchicks is how horribly uncomfortable their stuff is.
02:37 jurov benkay, define recognition
02:38 benkay "harder, please"
02:38 jurov they will try to ban it? tax it? how?
02:38 mircea_popescu jurov you going to go for a "what they think they see is not what is there thus no recognition could have taken place" ?
02:38 mircea_popescu lol harder please
02:38 mircea_popescu you know you'd have made a great harem girl benkay ?
02:39 jurov yes, i'm interested wha exactly benkay thinks he sees
02:39 benkay i'm working on training my first!
02:39 benkay i dunno
02:39 benkay i'm stoned
02:39 mircea_popescu don't break anything.
02:39 benkay it's late
02:39 benkay hands off the servers i promise
02:41 greenspan_fan what's bizarre to me is how everyone in that AMA was pretty much begging for regulation
02:41 mircea_popescu they'd also made decent harem girls.
02:41 mircea_popescu most do.
02:42 greenspan_fan but it's this unquestioning faith that the best policy is to always shoehorn everything into whatever the prevailing paradigm was
02:42 benkay eventually the bag bursts
02:42 mircea_popescu seems a reasonable approach really.
02:43 mircea_popescu woman goes picking berries.
02:43 mircea_popescu if she finds a new type of berries, you really expect her to run home and come back with a new type of berry bag ?
02:43 greenspan_fan it's more like, if you went picking berries and wandered upon a mcdonalds
02:44 mircea_popescu even so.
02:44 greenspan_fan yes, you can store cheeseburgers in the same bag, but you could also just use the drivethru
02:44 mircea_popescu but you don't have a drivethrough in your country.
02:45 greenspan_fan (before the analogies diverge too much) the problem is is that it completely misses the point about how there's now a fundamentally different way of acquiring food
02:45 Vexual ;;ud dillybag
02:45 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dilly%20Bag | Dec 15, 2010 ... Dilly Bag. Apparel such as a satchel or handbag carried by escorts and strippers that are used to contain a variety of accessories used in their ...
02:45 mircea_popescu obviously it misses the point.
02:45 benkay thanks vex
02:45 mircea_popescu why'd you expect her not to miss the point ?
02:46 greenspan_fan because that is a universe I would like to live in
02:46 benkay hey Vexual hit me with some old dub
02:46 Vexual how old ar eyou?
02:46 benkay hahaha
02:46 benkay from before 1970 plz
02:46 benkay 50's if you got it, if it exists
02:46 mircea_popescu greenspan_fan so then act that way don't expect that way :D
02:47 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYPOghwtEr4
02:47 benkay lovely thankee
02:47 Vexual too big a jump
02:48 benkay it's grand
02:48 greenspan_fan mircea_popescu it's not something that you can do just on your own, though
02:49 mircea_popescu not missing the point is not something you can do on your own ?
02:49 mircea_popescu then what do you want from her.
02:49 greenspan_fan if there's a big enough push, the government can/will step in, regulate everything they can regulate and exterminate everything else
02:50 greenspan_fan it's a marginal risk w/r/t bitcoin, but jeez, one wishes everyone could just get w/ the program w/o all these false steps
02:51 mircea_popescu what are you talking about even.
02:52 greenspan_fan for example that fawning AMA
02:53 greenspan_fan he (and his suspiciously low desk) aren't on your side. They might not be against you, but it's still not a great idea to do your best to hand over control to the first guy with a title and incipient back problems who comes along
02:53 mircea_popescu they aren't ?!
02:53 mircea_popescu wait, reddit hands something over ?
02:53 greenspan_fan well, not really
02:54 greenspan_fan as you point out those people are typically sub 0.1 btc holders
02:54 mircea_popescu dude five minutes ago we were in perfect agreement on complex math stuff, now i have no idea even what you're on about.
02:54 mircea_popescu how can things change so.
02:54 greenspan_fan local inflection point, maybe?
02:54 mircea_popescu must be someting.
02:54 mircea_popescu but i mean, from what axioms you proceed ?
02:54 mircea_popescu i can't identify a shared one even.
02:55 greenspan_fan A1: The government has, at varying levels of cost, options to subvert/ruin the valuable aspects of bitcoin
02:56 Vexual bullshit
02:56 greenspan_fan A2: the government responds to popular will, to some degree
02:57 greenspan_fan A3: The folks on reddit constitute a reasonable sample of the voting public, from which "popular will" is derived
02:57 mircea_popescu a1 and a2 aren't true tho.
02:57 mircea_popescu but write out the whole list it/ll be helpful
02:57 Vexual bc was invented for government fail, not to solve it
02:57 greenspan_fan doing so, since I went to the trouble of using colons and everything
02:58 greenspan_fan P1 (A2, A3): The support on reddit indicates there's some popular demand for government regulation of bitcoin
02:58 benkay another vex another
02:59 mircea_popescu wait, aren't you missing a a4 ?
02:59 Vexual where do we go from here?
03:00 greenspan_fan P2 (P1, A1): There's a good chance of government regulation/interference occuring, which, depending on the effort involved, could lead to subversion of the valuable aspects of bitcoin
03:00 chetty_ reddit twerps count as popular demand? now I know I fell down the rabbit hole
03:00 mircea_popescu chetty_ myeah.
03:00 benkay something with some soul
03:01 jurov subversion of the valuable aspects of bitcoin << what should i imagine here?
03:01 mircea_popescu greenspan_fan your axiomatic system is incomplete. the redditards live off the govt dole. since the govt can not create value out of thin air, you're missing an a4
03:01 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXbP4JBf8To
03:01 mircea_popescu describing the people the govt actually extracts value from to give to a3.
03:02 benkay amazing vexual!
03:02 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
03:02 greenspan_fan I don't even really know how the us economy functions, but it does, after a fashion
03:02 greenspan_fan so I think it's fair to say that it has some ability to execute on A1
03:03 greenspan_fan consider that part of the "dole", in the form of pandering
03:03 greenspan_fan that really should be A4, to be honest; it's kinda weird how I thought that was pre-axiomatic... :(
03:03 mircea_popescu ;;later tell mike_c here's the actual data : since jan 1st mpoe bot has quoted 7192 times, for a total book exposure of 62930 minutes, = ~43.7 days (out of 51.4) so like 85%. of these in turn 7 (so like 90%) have been since the 14th, ie since the signal divergence.
03:03 gribble The operation succeeded.
03:04 mircea_popescu greenspan_fan :p
03:04 mircea_popescu so now... the people whose livelihood depends on government do see it as on their side. it is.
03:04 mircea_popescu they also do expect it to continue making their lives possible, as it has in the past.
03:04 mircea_popescu now, on these reasonable expectations you posit that the government can somehow take the shine out of metal for their benefit ?
03:05 mircea_popescu the shine is to the metal, not separable.
03:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24180 @ 0.00087717 = 21.21 BTC [+] {2}
03:05 greenspan_fan bitcoin's an idea, and to quote abraham lincoln once again, "there's nothing that can stop an idea whose time has come"
03:05 greenspan_fan but in the short term you can delay it, for sure
03:06 mircea_popescu more importantly : your average kid on reddit could not survive if i teleported him to a random place on earth.
03:06 Vexual tru dat
03:06 mircea_popescu of fucking course he expects what he expects neh ?
03:06 mircea_popescu but merely that of course he expects it is no ground to say of course it can be done.
03:06 greenspan_fan so I wish these people would just get with the program and not invite the apparatchiks (I think that's also the model of his desk? from ikea, maybe?) to mess things up
03:07 mircea_popescu of course children expect to be the kings of creation. so what of it ?
03:07 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0A3-wc0rpw
03:07 mircea_popescu greenspan_fan but a) they're not inviting him anywhere, because wherever they are so is he already
03:07 mircea_popescu and b) what's he gonna fuck up ? reddit ?
03:08 greenspan_fan I think we're mainly in disagreement w/r/t whether or not they'd be able to meaningfully intervene
03:08 mircea_popescu so model it.
03:09 greenspan_fan if I had the resources of the us govt, and I wanted to wreck bitcoin at all costs, I'd start w/ outlawing its use for payment, and impose penalties for anyone in my jurisdiction who has a bitcoin wallet
03:09 mircea_popescu you read the discussion re atc with asciilifeform ?
03:10 greenspan_fan no, can you link me?
03:10 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2014#505460
03:11 greenspan_fan then I'd move on to technical subversion, which might mean dedicating supercomputers to attack the blockchain, or just ddos/hack any of the major players
03:12 mircea_popescu you'd be perpetually too late.
03:12 mircea_popescu that is the problem.
03:12 mircea_popescu not that you couldn't have run, achilles, but that you neglected the turtle.
03:12 jurov greenspan_fan: there are much more cost effective options, and they are deployed right now
03:12 jurov this: http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/fosdem/2014/Janson/Sunday/NSA_operation_ORCHESTRA_Annual_Status_Report.webm
03:13 jurov long but worthy.
03:13 benkay vexual that's crazy
03:13 greenspan_fan listening to it while my code compiles
03:13 Vexual toolong
03:13 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0bS-YnLf4s&list=PLB3AFACEE85B0C572
03:14 greenspan_fan mircea_popescu I think we're a year or two out before the hash rate reaches escape velocity
03:14 mircea_popescu really ?
03:14 mircea_popescu can you estimate current network hash in alu ops ?
03:15 greenspan_fan the bailout was like a trillion dollars
03:15 mircea_popescu you familiar with the concept of the bezzle ?
03:15 greenspan_fan yes, I am canadian after all :p
03:16 greenspan_fan for far less than a billion I could commission enough asics to make the network mine, for all intents and purposes
03:16 mircea_popescu ok so. they spent a trillion "Dollars", but those trillion dollars could not have bought a trillion one dollar ringdings
03:16 mircea_popescu no, you could not.
03:16 mircea_popescu you imagine infinite elasticity. this is false.
03:16 mircea_popescu the people who can make asics are ALREADY doing it, on their own account
03:16 mircea_popescu they don't need your billion.
03:16 mircea_popescu so what you got nao, pops ?
03:17 mircea_popescu keep your billion.
03:17 greenspan_fan thx, I need it for my rent anyways
03:17 mircea_popescu this is exactly the trap VCs in their own mind struggle with atm.
03:17 mircea_popescu "o, we got a billion"
03:17 mircea_popescu "well... enjoy shoving it in and out ?"
03:17 mircea_popescu their bitcoin being, of course, dollars, we couldn't, of course, care less.
03:17 greenspan_fan as long as you spend it before the ponzi implodes you're in the clear, no?
03:18 mircea_popescu who you're going to spend it to ?
03:18 mircea_popescu you're desperate to spend it, and the people you need to do things aren't desperate to get it.
03:18 jurov greenspan_fan: you imagine tsmc can and will reject all orders for 2 month or so just cause usg drops a billion?
03:18 greenspan_fan the nsa, intel, whomever
03:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16528 @ 0.00087979 = 14.5412 BTC [+] {3}
03:18 mircea_popescu greenspan_fan if the nsa, intel, whomever actually could hire more people
03:19 mircea_popescu they'd hire some people who wouldn't be spilling their beans each year.
03:19 greenspan_fan if you model leaks as a poisson process, they're actually pretty air-tight
03:19 greenspan_fan plus, you're assuming that technical talent doesn't respond to things like patriotism
03:20 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2014#475162 << and see that too for better context.
03:20 mircea_popescu greenspan_fan technical talent DOES respond to patriotism much more than to money.
03:20 greenspan_fan a few posters of rosie the solderer and voila, you've got your asics
03:20 mircea_popescu the problem is, their country is the serenissima,
03:20 mircea_popescu and your shitty empire trying to infiltrate it will pay through the teeth for no results at all.
03:21 greenspan_fan as a (possibly out of date) counter example, I could point to the manhattan project
03:21 greenspan_fan thousands of supremely bright, capable people, managed by the army, built an atomic bomb in like three years
03:22 mircea_popescu still with the manhattan project ?
03:22 mircea_popescu you know this was a majorly discussed topic recently hiar.
03:22 mircea_popescu do you ?
03:23 mircea_popescu anyway : back then the most serene republica veneta was the us. much in the sense of how back then the bitcoin of the world was the usd.
03:23 jurov greenspan_fan: anyway, what you suggest is *not* about building something, but the exact opposite
03:23 mircea_popescu thigns have changed. we have a real republic and a real bitcoin now, which leaves the us back among its peers.
03:24 mircea_popescu jurov here's the funny thing on top of it : if the us actually DID try to build something, like a superadvanced asic design ? we'd get it for free in the next leak bundle.
03:24 mircea_popescu and we'd use it better than them, so overal... thanks for the fishes.
03:28 greenspan_fan I'm not saying this is likely, or even permanent
03:29 greenspan_fan just that my preference would be to avoid the struggle
03:32 mircea_popescu why ?
03:34 greenspan_fan because I value my time
03:34 mircea_popescu but how else is your time to be spent ?
03:34 mircea_popescu "life is on the wire. everything else's just waiting."
03:36 Vexual todays fish is trout a la creme
03:36 greenspan_fan I just don't really see an upside to tedious interference by lansky et. al.
03:36 Vexual enjoy your meal
03:36 jurov not seeing an upside is different thing than
03:36 jurov "subversion of the valuable aspects of bitcoin"
03:38 greenspan_fan by valuable aspects I meant things like consistent network performance, ease of exchange, ease of adoption
03:38 mircea_popescu uh.
03:38 mircea_popescu not only those aren't the valuable aspects of bitcoin
03:38 mircea_popescu but it doesn't even have them.
03:38 greenspan_fan (for some values of the above)
03:39 mircea_popescu "the valuable aspects of icecream : warmth"
03:39 mircea_popescu "for some values of warm"
03:39 greenspan_fan best served at 250 kelvin
03:39 greenspan_fan there are others, but those are kind of baked in
03:40 mircea_popescu bitcoin has terrible overhead and it is without a doubt the klunkiest, most ineffectual way to transmit payments ever devised
03:40 mircea_popescu i nthe history of mankind.
03:40 mircea_popescu you think that's its main value ?!
03:40 jurov lol, like some fb derp wrote just hour ago that mtgox failure is "damaging bitcoin philosophy"
03:40 greenspan_fan haha
03:40 mircea_popescu jurov clearly.
03:40 jurov i just replied what philosphy? stfu pls
03:40 mircea_popescu oppressor.
03:41 Vexual satoshi designed it that gox might imrove the philosophy
03:41 greenspan_fan no, I think it's actually really elegant
03:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06398999 = 0.256 BTC [+] {2}
03:41 mircea_popescu greenspan_fan sure, it is really elegant, but not for those reasons.
03:42 greenspan_fan "get off my wall with your cis-decafe-non-mtgox privilege"
03:42 Vexual whats that when its a sentence?
03:42 greenspan_fan 10-to-life for hate crimes?
03:43 Vexual oh
03:44 mircea_popescu o look who's here.
03:44 greenspan_fan mircea_popescu as a means of exchange, all those things are valuable though, and most easily attacked
03:44 mircea_popescu greenspan_fan you have any kids ?
03:45 greenspan_fan mircea_popescu nope, why?
03:45 davout bitcoin. stahp.
03:45 mircea_popescu well, most parents have this experience. whereby angry 5 yo threatens to hold his breath to death.
03:46 mircea_popescu first timers get really panicked about it.
03:46 mircea_popescu sane people couldn't care less. when kid's had enough holding his breath he'll give up on it.
03:49 Vexual how long has facebook been a thing?
03:50 mircea_popescu ~5 years.
03:50 greenspan_fan since 2005 or so, I think
03:51 greenspan_fan Feb 4, 2004
03:51 greenspan_fan jesus
03:51 mircea_popescu when it was started != when it was a thing
03:52 Vexual i wonder how many humans it has created
03:52 greenspan_fan I am going to say, at least 500 million
03:53 greenspan_fan most of those were immediately pre-ipo
03:53 Vexual i mean random dads
03:54 Vexual it aint 500m
03:54 greenspan_fan I wonder if they've modelled that internally?
03:54 greenspan_fan I was thinking more "users" to inflate their statistics
03:56 mircea_popescu was geared towards college kids originally, so prolly plenty.
03:56 Vexual either way its prolly closer to 500m than 0 in a sense
04:04 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHGAtHc_e_0
04:04 Vexual no more factories, but heres a tablet app
04:07 KRS-One http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDYGlDV4ldo
04:09 mircea_popescu http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Women_working_at_Douglas_Aircraft.jpg
04:09 mircea_popescu gotta love 1940s jean cut.
04:11 Vexual worldpop was smaller then mircea, it's all skinny jeans now
04:12 mircea_popescu skinny jeans are okay, but not really for everyone.
04:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16724 @ 0.00088092 = 14.7325 BTC [+] {3}
04:16 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH6ZRJlTsDY
04:16 Vexual i ypothesise that you can't put too many ants into a colony, something normal will happen
04:17 Vexual hormones and all
04:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 31 @ 0.00469998 = 0.1457 BTC [+] {2}
04:23 Vexual just liek these gox protesters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG4S4NpdJug
04:24 KRS-One That was a kind of famous picture mircea_popescu
04:24 Vexual whats that?
04:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1794 @ 0.00087916 = 1.5772 BTC [-]
04:25 Vexual riviting aircarft?
04:25 KRS-One yes
04:25 * KRS-One away Zzzzzzzzz
04:26 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6uEMOeDZsA
04:35 Vexual hey bugpowder, do yo uthink you can sell fireants with double testosterone to the ethical standards comitte?
04:36 mircea_popescu yeah it was.
04:43 Duffer1 has there been any b-a discussion of kurzweil or singularity?
04:44 Duffer1 or trilema?
04:48 assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 207 @ 0.0021795 = 0.4512 BTC [-]
04:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 789 @ 0.00018902 = 0.1491 BTC [-] {3}
04:50 assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.0021795 = 0.9808 BTC [-]
04:58 mircea_popescu on trilema some.
04:59 Duffer1 i have been unable to locate such
05:00 mircea_popescu soo ukraine just defaulted ?
05:00 jurov where?
05:02 mircea_popescu word around the campfire.
05:02 mircea_popescu there's a coupla bn in 2015 notes that are being written off.
05:03 * jurov starts filling all available contaainers with natural gas
05:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 650 @ 0.00018 = 0.117 BTC [-] {3}
05:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 700 @ 0.00017504 = 0.1225 BTC [-] {6}
05:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 916 @ 0.000175 = 0.1603 BTC [-]
05:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1172 @ 0.00017002 = 0.1993 BTC [-] {5}
05:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00087916 = 2.7254 BTC [-]
05:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.1 = 0.8 BTC [-]
05:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49 BTC [+]
05:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5381 @ 0.00088144 = 4.743 BTC [+]
05:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00469994 = 0.4935 BTC [-] {4}
05:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00017 = 0.17 BTC [-] {4}
05:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49 BTC [+]
05:27 mircea_popescu jurov re blinding : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKp67SrSLlM
05:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8145 @ 0.0008759 = 7.1342 BTC [-] {2}
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05:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07000005 = 1.47 BTC [-] {2}
05:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.0047 = 0.2397 BTC [+]
05:56 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
05:56 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 575.0, Best ask: 575.79, Bid-ask spread: 0.79000, Last trade: 576.99, 24 hour volume: 39740.40054212, 24 hour low: 530.01, 24 hour high: 604.5, 24 hour vwap: 571.791472504
06:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 90 @ 0.0047 = 0.423 BTC [+]
06:01 Mallstromm ;;market sell 40000
06:01 gribble Bitstamp | A market order to sell 40000 bitcoins right now would net 13173637.7416 USD and would take the last price down to 100.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 329.3409 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0292 seconds
06:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00088516 = 11.5956 BTC [+] {2}
06:10 BingoBoingo ;;lasers
06:10 gribble ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
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06:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.48100101 = 1.924 BTC [-]
06:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.481001 BTC [-]
06:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.48015143 = 3.3611 BTC [-] {2}
06:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13494 @ 0.00087782 = 11.8453 BTC [-] {2}
06:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3056 @ 0.00087576 = 2.6763 BTC [-]
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07:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2553 @ 0.00087712 = 2.2393 BTC [+]
07:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1631 @ 0.00087524 = 1.4275 BTC [-]
07:33 KRS-One <cokea> I AM SENDING 5000 EUROS TO MTGOX LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
07:33 ThickAsThieves http://bitnode.io provides public & private p2pool nodes. 0% fee on public nodes. private nodes on inquiry. private nodes and altcoin nodes coming soon
07:34 KRS-One He should just send the 5000 euros to me, at least I'll send him an autographed nudic pic back for his troubles.
07:34 KRS-One ;;seen ozbot
07:34 gribble ozbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 hours, 26 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <ozbot> Ken Shirriff's blog: How Hacker News ranking really works: scoring, controversy, and penalties
07:34 KRS-One why
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08:00 ThickAsThieves http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHVWegNfQl0#t=54
08:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4783 @ 0.00087278 = 4.1745 BTC [-]
08:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06200001 = 0.124 BTC [-]
08:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.0029 = 1.45 BTC [-] {2}
08:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.061 = 0.244 BTC [-] {2}
08:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00087204 = 0.872 BTC [-]
08:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14189 @ 0.00087398 = 12.4009 BTC [+] {2}
08:33 ThickAsThieves ticks are so nasty
08:36 ThickAsThieves gmaxwell: wumpus: yea, I understand they had timed automatic reissues... :( this was also something I didn't know prior to monday before last and is one of the other reasons my "they couldn't have lost much!" position softened to "I have no freeking clue."
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08:38 ThickAsThieves ;;later tell bugpowder http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2014#521580
08:38 gribble The operation succeeded.
08:39 ThickAsThieves from: http://pastebin.com/DaSph9uT
08:42 Mallstromm ThickAsThieves: old news
08:46 ThickAsThieves old news in this chan?
08:46 ThickAsThieves if so sry
08:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.101 BTC [-]
08:50 davout http://blog.bitcoin-central.net/2014/02/19/the-cloudflare-mitm/
08:51 davout where is ozbot?
08:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10706 @ 0.00087537 = 9.3717 BTC [+] {2}
08:56 random_cat .bait
08:56 jurov davout so what do you use?
08:57 davout jurov: i'm used to ozbot fetching the <title>, doesn't really matter :-)
08:57 jurov no i mean instead fo cloudflare
09:03 davout jurov: nothing
09:03 davout i'll have to eventually figure something out
09:04 davout last time i got DDoS'd i set up a different IP, and sent it to customers that asked for it
09:04 davout i think an e-mail MPEX-like API would be good
09:05 davout i don't have a definitive answer
09:05 davout maybe i'll end up using them if i can make sure nothing sensitive goes thru
09:06 davout imma replace bitcoin addresses displayed on the website by gpg-signed e-mail receipts for example
09:07 jurov you can show gpg signed output in browser, too
09:07 jurov pity there isn't a plugin that can verify it, tho
09:08 jurov triyng to develop it would prolly be best way to let nsa goons to identify themselves :D
09:09 jurov https://webpg.org/?view=downloads#ext-firefox hmmm but there is something
09:13 jurov if it is sound project, maybe everyone at #assets can push it for their projects
09:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.063 = 0.315 BTC [+]
09:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06362249 = 0.2545 BTC [+] {2}
09:16 ThickAsThieves interesting
09:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06399999 = 0.128 BTC [+]
09:19 davout jurov: the problem with showing the GPG data in browser is that said data would be generated asynchronously
09:20 jurov you need to generate deposit addy asynchronously?
09:23 davout the GPG-signature and address generation can't happen on the web facing servers
09:24 davout that protects you against a compromised server too
09:24 davout because if you work from the assumption that no frontend/app server will ever be compromised you're in for a world of pain
09:25 davout the best way to design security is IMHO to consider that you're already compromised, at least to some extent
09:26 jurov it can still happen elsewhere
09:28 jurov asynchronicity by itself will not help you against frontend compromise
09:32 davout asynchronicity is merely a consequence of "the frontend doesn't know shit about where the sensitive server is"
09:42 jurov i don't think it's absolutely necessary consequence
09:42 jurov it's sufficient if the sensitive server has minimal interface exposed to frontend and does not implicitly trust it
09:42 jurov it cen even be behind proxies like mpex does and still can be pretty responsive
09:45 jurov but what i want to discuss, if we all can force users to install gpg browser plugin
09:45 asciilifeform gpg running automatically in a browser (or elsewhere) is questionable wisdom.
09:45 jurov and use it to auth to the service and verify sensitive data it got back
09:46 jurov i don't believe anything more is achievable while providing srvice to chumps
09:46 asciilifeform verify, ok. sign/decrypt without human trigger pull - no thanks
09:46 jurov they can then easily migrate to using cardano
09:47 asciilifeform jurov: one of the reasons why cardano is that the host machine does not automatically know that a cryptographic widget, as such, is plugged in.
09:48 asciilifeform only the human knows
09:48 asciilifeform a dedicated piece of soft for talking to cardano defeats this purpose.
09:48 asciilifeform and creates an easy target
09:50 jurov all that is actually needed is to have ability to save to file/load from file
09:50 asciilifeform yes
09:51 asciilifeform but consider the question of whether an attacker can automatically determine that cardano is present and in use.
09:51 asciilifeform if you have any dedicated software component on the pc end (e.g. browser plugin), it is a target.
09:51 asciilifeform if, on the other hand, you merely move files onto and out of a usb drive...
09:51 davout asciilifeform: how is 'put file on usb device, check for encrypted file magically appearing' not possible ??
09:52 asciilifeform davout: because it doesn't appear until the trigger is pulled
09:52 davout aaah
09:52 davout smart
09:52 davout automation is overrated
09:52 asciilifeform soviet nuke subs, it is said, have manually-cranked reactor controls.
09:53 davout well then the attack becomes more complex
09:53 davout think its still feasible tho
09:53 davout put file on usb dev
09:53 davout wait
09:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07147981 = 0.5004 BTC [+] {3}
09:53 davout if at some point encrypted copy appears, user pulled the trigger
09:53 asciilifeform not that a human, driving a pwned machine remotely, will remain permanently unaware that the victim owns a cardano
09:53 davout however the attack is easily detectable in taht case
09:53 davout yeah
09:54 asciilifeform but an automatic diddler is faced with a considerably-harder problem.
09:54 davout true
09:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07147989 = 0.2144 BTC [+]
09:55 jurov how would cardano be hidden from someone watching my desktop?
09:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07147999 = 0.7863 BTC [+] {2}
09:55 asciilifeform jurov: once again, a human watching, if he has a brain, may eventually figure it out
09:55 asciilifeform but, unlike the case of a dedicated app, there is no simple mechanical test.
09:56 MisterE http://winkdex.com/#/
09:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13926 @ 0.00087097 = 12.1291 BTC [-] {3}
10:00 jurov but i did not mean the gpg plugin to ask cardano to encrypt/sign automatically
10:01 asciilifeform jurov: ideally, there would be nothing on the pc that suggests ownership of a cardano.
10:01 asciilifeform at all.
10:03 jurov then you want completely sterile machine that's booted every time from image, anyway
10:03 asciilifeform jurov: for some applications, this makes sense.
10:12 davout IBM was right, it's better manually
10:16 kakobrekla http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrxPuk0JefA
10:20 mike_c mircea_popescu: i don't know what the discrepency is, but my logs disagree with that. Like I am seeing that Jan. 25th and Jan. 28th were basically down all day and I just got stock bid/asks from the market depth feed. who knows. i'll look for bugs in my poller sometime.
10:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00087004 = 4.1762 BTC [-] {2}
10:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0714 = 0.1428 BTC [-]
10:34 davout kakobrekla: haha incredible
10:34 davout (i'm so fucking scared now to say the ama zing word)
10:35 davout i can't believe it's not some sort of clever gopro ad
10:35 pankkake amazing
10:35 davout nooooooo
10:35 davout oh wait, it is a clever go pro ad
10:38 Jere_Jones http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-first-product-the-cardano/
10:38 Jere_Jones Damn, that was hard to find.
10:39 davout ;;google cardano snsa
10:39 gribble S.NSA - Cardano pricing, other statements pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/snsa-cardano-pricing-other-statements>; S.NSA, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/snsa-january-2014-statement/>; S.NSA pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/snsa/>
10:40 Jere_Jones Yeah. I didn't know the snsa part. :)
10:44 davout :-)
10:45 Jere_Jones Now maybe I can re-read the earlier discussion and it will make more sense.
10:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00086986 = 4.6538 BTC [-]
10:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.000175 = 0.175 BTC [-] {2}
10:58 davout kakobrekla: where's the bitbet on mtgox's solvency ?
10:58 pankkake http://bitbet.us/bet/751/mtgox-out-of-business-in-2014/
11:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.062 = 0.124 BTC [-] {2}
11:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.101005 = 0.202 BTC [+] {2}
11:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2}
11:00 davout ty
11:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-]
11:21 diametric http://bitbet.us/bet/281/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-be-above-150-on/
11:21 diametric thats gonna sting
11:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4440 @ 0.00087213 = 3.8723 BTC [+]
11:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00087105 = 9.3638 BTC [-]
11:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00299997 = 0.171 BTC [+]
11:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00299998 = 0.12 BTC [+]
11:37 the20year2 The contract was accepted completely on the 2 houses on 1 lot :)
11:50 BingoBoingo Sweet, Serena Williams lost, so I made money.
11:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.95323557 BTC to 2`431 shares, 80347 satoshi per share
12:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00087219 = 7.7625 BTC [+] {3}
12:03 TomServo .d
12:03 TomServo Oh yeah. No ozzy.
12:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
12:19 benkay mornin
12:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.020002 = 0.2 BTC [-] {4}
12:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07148 = 0.2144 BTC [+]
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12:43 asciilifeform from btce russian trollbox: '[gox] will end up like soviet gensec: after prolonged illness, perished unexpectedly...'
12:44 pankkake can russians still use btc-e?
12:45 pankkake or any exchange
12:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.090005 = 0.36 BTC [-] {3}
12:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00087093 = 1.7419 BTC [-]
12:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00450016 = 0.108 BTC [-] {2}
12:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.101 BTC [-]
12:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
12:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.063 = 0.126 BTC [+] {2}
13:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00087029 = 7.441 BTC [-] {2}
13:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.101 BTC [-]
13:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
13:09 benkay http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1b9iyl/my_friend_foolishly_let_me_ssh_into_his_account/c95chhf
13:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00449094 = 0.1886 BTC [-] {3}
13:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00430232 = 0.185 BTC [-] {2}
13:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00086941 = 10.0417 BTC [-] {2}
13:19 nubbins` tourette hooker neighbour is locked out of house
13:19 nubbins` idly considering calling police to report break-in in progress
13:22 ThickAsThieves lol
13:22 ThickAsThieves what is it with women not saying what theu mean all the time
13:29 benkay do it nubbins`
13:30 ThickAsThieves "i was going to ask you to write a check for the floor guy, but he's leaving now" "ok, but he's here now, i can write a check now, right?" "he's leaving now" "so write a check for him now?" "yes, that's what i said."
13:30 ThickAsThieves pretty much all wife-to-husband communication
13:33 mike_c hah. i have had that exact conversation recently.
13:34 * benkay gives ThickAsThieves a katana. it is enchanted +5 specifically for cutting through female chatter.
13:35 ThickAsThieves it works in reverse too, like when you say something that's seems painfully clear, it gets interpreted as the much less likely but arguable possible version
13:35 ThickAsThieves arguably*
13:36 ThickAsThieves "I don't want french fries." "Oh you already ate?"
13:36 ThickAsThieves and such
13:38 ThickAsThieves everything must mean something more, i guess
13:38 benkay if you let it
13:38 benkay "dear, the simplest interpretation is the one you're looking for."
13:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.071 = 0.71 BTC [-]
13:40 benkay no, i just don't want any french fries.
13:41 benkay vigilance against being disposed of?
13:41 ThickAsThieves but are you hungry?!
13:41 ThickAsThieves hehe
13:43 benkay ;;calc 40*4/2
13:43 gribble 80
13:43 benkay 80
13:44 nubbins` dealing with this client who runs a hot yoga studio
13:44 nubbins` she said she'd be by last night at 7:30 to pick up her order
13:44 nubbins` i waited til 9:45, unil "sorry i forgot!"
13:45 nubbins` today: "i'll pick them up at 2pm". 2:45: "i'll be there soon." 3:00: "can i pick them up at 4?"
13:45 ThickAsThieves "you can pick them up whenever i'm here"
13:45 nubbins` because hey, everyone is a robot but her and she's the only person whose time is valuable
13:46 nubbins` if she's not here by 4:00pm exactly, i am literally not answering the door when she arrives
13:46 ThickAsThieves at some point i stopped allowing pickups
13:46 nubbins` nod
13:46 ThickAsThieves all prices included shipping costs
13:46 ThickAsThieves FREE shipping!
13:46 nubbins` heh
13:47 nubbins` she wanted organic racerback-style tank tops. such a thing does not exist. the closest we could find was tanks with 6.25% organic cotton
13:47 nubbins` so instead of getting regular cotton tanks shipped from the next province over, we order 6.25% organic tanks shipped from the exact opposide end of the continent
13:47 nubbins` because, y'know, eco-friendly
13:48 nubbins` idly considered buying regular cotton tank tops and sewing a 1" organic cotton seam on the bottom
13:48 nubbins` round it up to an even 10% organic
13:49 nubbins` honestly, given the choice between being "eco-friendly" and giving the appearance of it while being the opposite
13:49 nubbins` people almost invariably choose the appearance
13:49 ThickAsThieves just rip all tags out always and imprint your own branding
13:49 ThickAsThieves builds customer "loyalty"
13:49 nubbins` have idly considered this, but sizing
13:49 nubbins` next thing you've got 4 screens, one for each size S-XL
13:50 nubbins` might do it anyway tho, we use these nice shirts now that have easy-tear tags
13:51 ThickAsThieves is tagging legally required at all?
13:51 ThickAsThieves i suppose people have allergies?
13:52 nubbins` country of origin and care instructions are mandatory
13:52 nubbins` not sure about materials, but probably
13:52 nubbins` some brands have two tags: a brand tag and a care/materials tag
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14:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4360 @ 0.00087314 = 3.8069 BTC [+]
14:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00087396 = 12.4102 BTC [+]
14:15 kakobrekla http://radiostudent.si/sites/default/files/styles/thumbnail_w530/public/slike/2014-02-21-napihovanje-temelji-juna%C5%A1kih-src-slovenskih-olimpijcev-24165.jpg?itok=I8pyq9aF
14:16 kakobrekla is true.
14:26 nubbins` she showed up with SIX MINUTES to spare
14:26 nubbins` and of course she arrived in a smart car
14:27 nubbins` groan
14:27 dub is she fat?
14:28 nubbins` no, she runs a yoga studio
14:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2827 @ 0.00087235 = 2.4661 BTC [-] {2}
14:30 dub both yoga instructors I've had were a bit chunky, havent done bikram though
14:32 kakobrekla did you do yoga or did you do the instructors?
14:32 dub the yoga
14:35 greenspan_fan http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/harvard-supercomputing-cluster-hijacked-to-produce-alt-cryptocurrency/
14:35 dub i did an aerobics instructor if that helps
14:36 nubbins` helps what? :D
14:38 KRS-One she must have had a nice bod
14:38 KRS-One ;;seen ozbot
14:39 greenspan_fan it's funny, because I was thinking of using a supercomputer to mine dogecoin, but decided not to because the idea was idiotic on many levels
14:39 asciilifeform botnet is cheaper
14:39 KRS-One When the hell is he getting back here with my porn
14:39 asciilifeform and expandable.
14:39 greenspan_fan but I don't have l33t hacker skillz
14:40 KRS-One all u have to do is write some gay malware
14:40 greenspan_fan It's not for me. I've seen that movie w/ keanu reeves. I don't even know kung fu.
14:40 asciilifeform most crapnet artists have no l33t sk1llz
14:41 asciilifeform they just buy a ride from professional spammers
14:41 greenspan_fan enh. just doesn't seem like a good thing to get involved with
14:42 asciilifeform neither is mooching cpu cycles from employer
14:42 greenspan_fan who said I'm employed?
14:42 asciilifeform well, from whoever
14:43 asciilifeform but if you're hijacking something, why not a supercomputer. 'might as well hang for a sheep as for a lamb.'
14:43 greenspan_fan I think it would be a good story to tell in prison
14:43 asciilifeform 'whatcha in for? doge'
14:44 greenspan_fan "wow"
14:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00086936 = 9.7368 BTC [-]
14:44 nubbins` such time
14:44 nubbins` many soap
14:46 asciilifeform several places have massive fpga clusters, hijack those.
14:46 asciilifeform not intel crap
14:46 nubbins` fuck that, hijack a train
14:55 greenspan_fan interestingly, you might be able to hijack a shipment of fpgas or asics, which would make for the nerdiest heist movie in history
14:56 twizt eh
14:56 AndrewWhatsUpppp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tONLDwGK1Qc
14:57 jborkl Anyone want to buy Google Glass for BTC- I have not ordered them yet so you can pick out color style
14:57 twizt when u want something done u gotta do it urself -_-
15:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00086936 = 2.8689 BTC [-]
15:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.48143704 = 1.4443 BTC [+] {3}
15:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19770 @ 0.00086934 = 17.1869 BTC [-] {2}
15:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1023 = 0.2046 BTC [+] {2}
15:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
15:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 100 @ 0.0034 = 0.34 BTC [+]
15:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0625 = 0.25 BTC [+] {4}
15:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.10136666 = 0.3041 BTC [-] {3}
15:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-] {3}
15:49 ThickAsThieves http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/02/21/280730201/enterprising-girl-scout-sells-cookies-outside-marijuana-clinic?utm_content=socialflow&utm_campaign=nprfacebook&utm_source=npr&utm_medium=facebook
16:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00086801 = 5.9893 BTC [-] {2}
16:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00086795 = 5.0341 BTC [-]
16:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10239999 BTC [+]
16:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC
16:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.08499999 = 0.85 BTC [-] {2}
16:30 nubbins` http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/teksavvy-ordered-to-id-alleged-movie-downloaders-1.2546477
16:31 nubbins` "[Judge] Aalto ordered that before Voltage can send a letter to the alleged downloaders, it must return to court to get the wording of its communications cleared by a case management judge."
16:31 nubbins` "In order to ensure there is no inappropriate language in any demand letter sent to the alleged infringers, the draft demand letter will be provided to the court for review," Aalto wrote. "Any correspondence sent by Voltage to any subscriber shall clearly state in bold type that no court has yet made a determination that such subscriber has infringed or is liable in any way for payment of damages."
16:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 43 @ 0.07148 = 3.0736 BTC [+]
16:35 ll_ hopefully that will slow infringement trolling in .ca
16:36 mike_c paging eulora support. any suggestions on investigating seg fault on launch? http://pastebin.com/pr0rpyfp
16:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2169 @ 0.00017301 = 0.3753 BTC [-]
16:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1024 = 0.2048 BTC [+] {2}
16:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
16:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1024 BTC [+]
16:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
16:46 mike_c nubbins` did you ever get this thing building/running?
16:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00086904 = 20.6397 BTC [+] {2}
16:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 130 @ 0.0055 = 0.715 BTC
16:51 nubbins` mike_c: haven't had much time to look at it the past few days. having some issues getting crystalspace up and running
16:52 nubbins` did you examine the xml file listed?
16:59 mike_c i did. a large config file for the updater.
16:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00086942 = 5.4773 BTC [+] {2}
17:00 nubbins` wanna pastebin it?
17:00 mike_c btw, i downloaded cs from bundle 1, set CRYSTAL and LD_LIBRARY_PATH env variables, and it found it
17:00 mike_c obviously i don't have the game working though.
17:01 mike_c i can pastebin it, but i don't believe it is modified from the download bundle (if you have that)
17:03 nubbins` i'm compiling CS from the latest snapshot
17:03 nubbins` not going too great so far :D
17:05 nubbins` ah, that xml file is actually pretty small
17:05 nubbins` yeah, not much in the way of clues there from what you've posted
17:06 mike_c yeah, maybe something with the audio issues they've been having and my sound drivers
17:07 nubbins` they did mention audio was borked, didn't think it was a breaking problem tho
17:07 mike_c nor did i.
17:07 mike_c but those DEBUG lines are supiscious
17:08 benkay how ams even software, guys?
17:08 benkay and ladies of course
17:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07234644 = 1.0852 BTC [+] {5}
17:17 nubbins` benkay: barely :D
17:18 benkay barely software?
17:18 benkay nubbins`: ^^
17:18 * nubbins` nods
17:18 nubbins` D:
17:19 nubbins` ...failed updating 315 target(s)... ...skipped 306 target(s)... ...updated 715 target(s)...
17:19 nubbins` NOT BAD
17:20 benkay many software
17:20 benkay much barely
17:21 benkay so deploy
17:21 benkay wow
17:21 nubbins` targets plz, no update
17:28 pankkake http://blog.cassidiancybersecurity.com/post/2014/02/Bitcrypt-broken that's why bitcoin is down!
17:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00018829 = 0.2824 BTC [+] {6}
17:34 diametric pankkake: https://blockchain.info/address/1HKCHx1RFhNHuF3NxLviHdrjNFzJbCTvrC
17:34 diametric looks like some suckers paid up
17:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1029998 BTC [+]
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17:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1300 @ 0.00017226 = 0.2239 BTC [-] {4}
17:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3238 @ 0.00017101 = 0.5537 BTC [-] {5}
17:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2040 @ 0.00017006 = 0.3469 BTC [-] {3}
17:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1443 @ 0.00017006 = 0.2454 BTC [-] {3}
17:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 909 @ 0.00017007 = 0.1546 BTC [+] {3}
18:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07100202 = 0.71 BTC [-] {2}
18:06 asciilifeform re: ransomware: '90s virii simply formatted your disk. how exactly is this any worse?
18:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00087023 = 7.7015 BTC [+] {2}
18:06 asciilifeform esp. since it is possible to refuse VirusOS today - vs. then
18:08 pankkake ;;view 19807
18:08 gribble #19807 Fri Feb 21 18:04:10 2014 sorjef SELL 12.0 GOXBTC @ 0.4 btc ((Would like to sell my gox btc. Hurry up! Since this is my first trade here will send money first if you have a good rating, if you're newbie like me escrow is needed.. Thanks a lot!))
18:08 pankkake this is hardcore
18:09 asciilifeform 426 bit rsa key, lol
18:12 Apocalyptic pankkake, i've seen worse
18:12 Apocalyptic 50 goxBTC for 1 BTC
18:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 236 @ 0.0055 = 1.298 BTC
18:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00086795 = 7.0304 BTC [-]
18:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 133 @ 0.00299999 = 0.399 BTC [+] {2}
18:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00086754 = 15.3555 BTC [-] {4}
18:24 mircea_popescu mike_c weird, wild stuff.
18:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.16230094 = 0.8115 BTC [-]
18:28 mircea_popescu @Mircea_Popescu This is like saying "behind every nigger is stupidity" @ligayaya "Behind every troll is pain." Community wisdom @nrrrdcore #PassionProjects
18:28 mircea_popescu @ligayaya @Mircea_Popescu @nrrrdcore actually, I don't think it is. at all.
18:28 mircea_popescu @Mircea_Popescu @ligayaya @nrrrdcore Of course you don't think so. Oppressors honestly think they're just being nice.
18:28 mircea_popescu win ?
18:28 mircea_popescu win.
18:30 mircea_popescu mike_c i passed teh thing along.
18:30 mike_c crash report? thanks.
18:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform remember Stoned B ?
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18:32 asciilifeform sure!
18:32 mircea_popescu mike_c o no no, ty.
18:32 mircea_popescu we had a number of segfaults which were ironed out, curious if yours is a new brand or some edge case.
18:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it was such a problem where i lived by 1992ish i was able to spot it with diskedit
18:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1065 @ 0.00082809 = 0.8819 BTC [-]
18:36 mircea_popescu jesus twitter is unbearable.
18:36 mircea_popescu how did all these schmucks end up so persuaded of their own importance anyway
18:36 wao-ender v0v, mp in one line with nrrrdcore
18:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in case you missed, beautiful turd: http://www.securelist.com/en/analysis/204792325/Absolute_Computrace_Revisited
18:36 mircea_popescu wao-ender who's that, you know em ?
18:37 wao-ender mircea_popescu: some lady around github
18:37 asciilifeform (tldr version: 'useful' bios rootkit enabled by default on some boxes)
18:37 mircea_popescu oic.
18:37 mircea_popescu "This report is a return to the problem of security mechanisms implemented in modern anti-theft technologies that reside in firmware and PC BIOS of commonly used laptops and some desktop computers."
18:37 mircea_popescu best abstract ever. tyvm whoever wrote this, now i know.
18:37 pankkake because twitter caters to that kind of thing, everything in it prevent actual discussion
18:38 asciilifeform i actually sat on a jury some years ago in a case where 'computrace' was the evidence.
18:38 mircea_popescu pankkake yeah i think you may be right, there is something to this sculpting communities theory.
18:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06112499 = 0.2445 BTC [+] {3}
18:39 asciilifeform the turd is unremarkable; quite like the usual winblows rootkit, except for the fact of 1) ships in stock bios on most x86 laptops and 2) c&c servers eschew authentication or crypto (!)
18:39 mircea_popescu so has mtgox delivered asics yet ?
18:39 mircea_popescu is bfl making payments ?
18:40 wao-ender and nrrrdcore is part of ladies of github afaik
18:41 mircea_popescu wao-ender ok but did she actually do something ?
18:42 mircea_popescu or is it more like "ladies of wallstreet" consisting of the barristas and hooters waitresses ?
18:42 wao-ender what I remember, she leads some groups, like ladies who codes and like that
18:43 pankkake but does she code?
18:43 wao-ender I had it on radar like in september or so, but I'm not that social-freak
18:43 mircea_popescu "leads groups" derp
18:43 wao-ender well
18:43 wao-ender yeah, taking social credit for that
18:43 mircea_popescu if you ask him, max keiser leads groups doing bitcoin stuff.
18:43 wao-ender paying in followers on tweeters. "look what I've done"
18:44 mircea_popescu is she a transsexual too ?
18:44 wao-ender does she looks like that? I dont think so
18:44 wao-ender but she acts like feminist for me
18:44 mircea_popescu so basically a kate woods wannabe.
18:45 asciilifeform who's woods?
18:46 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/the-stuple/
18:46 mircea_popescu that thing.
18:46 asciilifeform aha
18:48 asciilifeform (no mention of anyone called woods in that piece...?)
18:53 pankkake http://trilema.com/2014/on-periphery-and-the-peripheral-ephemerides-are-also-mentioned/ perhaps
18:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's this craig woods character which became kate, and had been running all sorts of projects and whatnot
18:54 mircea_popescu such as the one discussed there.
18:55 asciilifeform wendy carlos.
18:55 mircea_popescu very important leader of imaginary cavalries.
18:55 asciilifeform (better example: lynne conway)
18:55 mircea_popescu yes well, that'd be different
18:57 mircea_popescu (l conway is actually quoted by name as the reason i can't quite declare transsexualism out of this world, in my article about transsexualism)
18:57 asciilifeform interesting book on the subject - 'the man who would be queen'
18:57 asciilifeform conway became the personal nemesis of the author
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18:57 asciilifeform (whose name escapes me)
18:57 mircea_popescu but i would propose there is a difference between the people who have a problem with their gender,
18:58 mircea_popescu and the people who have a problem with their fame.
19:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00086647 = 13.127 BTC [-] {3}
19:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.485 BTC [+]
19:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.481 BTC [-]
19:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.48011113 = 0.9602 BTC [-]
19:20 mircea_popescu "Alienation of Affections and Criminal Conversation lawsuits are allowed in North Carolina to preserve the sanctity of marriage and the institution of the family. It is estimated that over 200 alienation of affection cases are filed in North Carolina each year."
19:20 mircea_popescu such legal.
19:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49 BTC [+]
19:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18272 @ 0.00086576 = 15.8192 BTC [-] {3}
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19:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 23 @ 0.0055 = 0.1265 BTC
19:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48012 BTC [-]
19:55 benkay !t h rent
19:55 assbot [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (551 shares, 3.03050000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (4376 shares, 24.06800000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (35395 shares, 194.67250000 BTC)
19:55 asciilifeform from dept. of lol: http://nsa.gov1.info/utah-data-center/index.html
19:55 mircea_popescu benkay you doing a research project ?
19:56 mircea_popescu ahaha it just occured to me... do the utah nsa people wear special blessed underwear ?
19:56 asciilifeform with barcodes!
19:56 asciilifeform (seriously. mormon church issues them under signature.)
19:57 mircea_popescu yup
19:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform listen maybe im geometrically challenged, but!
19:58 mircea_popescu the silo + 9 tanks 1st picture is not contradicted by the silo + 9 tanks last picture in that scroll ?
19:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18450 @ 0.0008685 = 16.0238 BTC [+] {2}
19:58 mircea_popescu it would seem to me it's not possible for both snaps to represent the same solid.
19:58 wao-ender "for the good of the Nation"
19:58 benkay mircea_popescu yeah on state machines ;)
19:59 mircea_popescu hehe
20:01 asciilifeform http://nsa.gov1.info/utah-data-center/photos/2014/utah-data-center-2014.jpg vs http://nsa.gov1.info/utah-data-center/photos/2014/nsa-utah-spy-center-2014.jpg ?
20:01 mircea_popescu aye
20:03 asciilifeform 3d drawing.
20:04 mircea_popescu i guess it must be ?
20:04 asciilifeform http://nsa.gov1.info/utah-data-center/aerial-utah-data-center.jpg
20:04 mircea_popescu maybe someone just flipped a pic for obscure reasons
20:04 asciilifeform quite a few of these are works of art.
20:06 mircea_popescu . Recently, our classified NSA Oak Ridge facility made a stunning breakthrough that is leading us on a path towards building the first exaflop machine (1 quintillion instructions per second) by 2018. This will give us the capability to break the AES-128 encryption key
20:06 asciilifeform more from this lulzatron: http://whitehouse.gov1.info/tunnel/index.html
20:06 mircea_popescu i thought aes-128 worked on integers ?
20:06 asciilifeform certainly.
20:07 asciilifeform author is a parodist, not a cryptographer.
20:07 mircea_popescu also afaik aes-128 is something to the tune of 10^40 ?
20:07 mircea_popescu in which case exaflop is not particularly useful in any sense
20:07 asciilifeform quite.
20:07 mircea_popescu so author is a journalist, we could say.
20:08 Apocalyptic <mircea_popescu> also afaik aes-128 is something to the tune of 10^40 ? // what do you mean ?
20:08 mircea_popescu Apocalyptic tries needed to bruteforce.
20:09 Apocalyptic hum, thought it would be higher
20:09 mircea_popescu notrly.
20:09 mircea_popescu i think they have aes-256 nao tho
20:09 mircea_popescu which is ~double. ie 80ish
20:10 asciilifeform log10(2^128) ~= 38.53
20:10 asciilifeform there ya go
20:10 mircea_popescu o hey
20:10 asciilifeform no deep science here.
20:10 mircea_popescu i got pretty close in head!
20:11 asciilifeform i thought it was strange that your first thought was in base-10...
20:11 mircea_popescu im a phb not a tech see. i think in practically useful terms :D
20:12 asciilifeform wonder if ibm still builds base-10 machines.
20:12 asciilifeform (BCD!)
20:12 Apocalyptic <asciilifeform> i thought it was strange that your first thought was in base-10... // that's what confused me yeah
20:12 mircea_popescu now let's do it in inches.
20:13 asciilifeform 'this jallopy gets xx furlongs per hog's head...'
20:13 asciilifeform found original, http://makeameme.org/media/created/my-car-gets.jpg
20:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00299999 = 0.75 BTC [+] {2}
20:21 MisterE When will it test 500 already? Waaah
20:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.000198 = 0.198 BTC [-]
20:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform btw if it wasn;t obvious, base 10 because of the exaflops.
20:26 mircea_popescu MisterE you know there's a lot of people with no bitcoins because they decided they will buy if it goes under X and it never did.
20:26 mircea_popescu where x starts as low as 2.
20:27 MisterE mircea_popescu: I'm a minnow though
20:27 mircea_popescu no contest.
20:28 MisterE I personally feel like interest in LTC is waning
20:28 MisterE hasrate has not been stable
20:28 MisterE what d you think?
20:28 Apocalyptic people fled to doge
20:28 mircea_popescu hashrate is a poor indication of interest.
20:28 MisterE yea I was banned from #bitcoin the day doge launched for saying "it will be disruptive"
20:29 MisterE falling hashrate is a really bad thing for your currency though
20:29 kakobrekla did ya mean disturbing instead disruptive?
20:29 MisterE it's like when the sex goes in a relationship, the writing on the wall
20:31 Apocalyptic .d
20:32 mircea_popescu MisterE hashrate fell for bitcoin on multiple occasions.
20:32 mircea_popescu no ill effects were recorded
20:32 MisterE oh ok
20:32 mircea_popescu tho one could fill a hard-drive with the drivel of the various speculators who knew shit on the topic at the time(s)
20:32 MisterE thought it was a straight march up
20:32 mircea_popescu only recently.
20:32 benkay ultimately we come back to the personal responsibility thing
20:33 MisterE benkay: I'm American you'll need to explain that to me
20:33 MisterE what is this responsibility thing you speak of?
20:35 MisterE mircea_popescu: I'm not waiting to get in at 500 I'm wanting to see if support at 500 is broken how low it can go
20:35 mircea_popescu not that low.
20:45 kakobrekla kinda funnie:
20:45 kakobrekla --
20:45 kakobrekla So a "serious" exchange only offers "serious" coins? By what criteria does a coin count as serious? The answer to this question is bound to be controversial, but note that dogecoin has:
20:45 kakobrekla Massive userbase
20:45 kakobrekla 65k+ subscribers on reddit
20:45 kakobrekla Hashrate rivaling that of litecoin
20:45 kakobrekla Trade volume rivaling that of litecoin
20:45 kakobrekla Whatever may be said against dogecoin, the fact is that it has gained traction very rapidly and become a very serious coin for trading. Why wouldn't a serious exchange want to offer it? We are after all in the trading business.
20:45 kakobrekla --
20:45 mircea_popescu o look it has views!
20:45 mircea_popescu serious views!
20:46 kakobrekla lel
20:46 pankkake it had more real usage than litecoin ever did
20:46 mircea_popescu the reason a serious exchange does not want to offer a scam is contained in the expression "serious exchange"
20:46 pankkake the mistake is to take litecoin as "serious"
20:46 mircea_popescu otherwise the arguments presented could have been presented by any scam to date, and in fact were so presented
20:46 mircea_popescu starting with the "forum bankers" listing pirate "securities" on glbse
20:47 kakobrekla supporting altcoins just gives you a lot more low net worth retards to deal with
20:48 mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/TheBestOfAmazon <<
20:48 kakobrekla they will suffer.
20:48 mircea_popescu check it out. doge is almost bigger than amazon.
20:49 pankkake which is the exchange in question?
20:49 kakobrekla seriously you need to ask? :D
20:49 Duffer1 is it that vault of satoshi thing the redditers are talking about?
20:49 kakobrekla meh
20:49 kakobrekla its kraken
20:50 kakobrekla they brought forex to bitcoin or something remember
20:50 mircea_popescu kraken is semi-serious.
20:50 pankkake they have xrp, they have ven… doge is more serious already
20:50 mircea_popescu like that famous actress, semi moore.
21:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00087086 = 11.147 BTC [+] {2}
21:01 B007 http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/harvard-supercomputing-cluster-hijacked-to-produce-alt-cryptocurrency/
21:02 the20year1 lol
21:05 mircea_popescu pankkake http://trilema.com/2014/in-defense-of-the-troll/
21:05 mircea_popescu hugs and kisses.
21:07 pankkake :)
21:19 BingoBoingo I really need to start paying more attention to MMA matchups. There's a decent fight tomorrow and I totally missed the chance to submit a Bitbet.
21:20 mircea_popescu aww
21:22 BingoBoingo Great upset potential as well, would have been a great bet to take both sides on.
21:25 BingoBoingo http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1966743-ufc-170-rousey-vs-mcmann-fight-card-betting-odds-and-predictions
21:32 benkay some days i wonder if learning how to gamble effectively is +ev or not...
21:32 the20year1 donno
21:33 the20year1 I'm happy with learning startups :D
21:33 pankkake by definition it should be, otherwise it isn't effective?
21:35 benkay you're a landlord, not a startup.
21:35 BingoBoingo benkay: It's less learning how to gamble and more trying to spot pricing errors and finding patterns. One pattern I have found profitable is if betting against Serena Williams would multiply your bet by 12 or less in a certain match, there's prolly a fuckton of money to be had.
21:37 benkay i just doubt i'd do much better than stochastic bouncing around, pankkake - much like gamblers or traders. up one day, down the next; cognitively biased against tracking returns etc. it's a goddamn emotional shitshow is what it is.
21:38 pankkake well, I guess it depends on the gamble. I'd agree that most things gamblers and traders think as skill isn't
21:38 BingoBoingo Definitely.
21:39 BingoBoingo Patience is the game.
21:39 BingoBoingo Wait for lines that don't seem priced right, still lose a lot and hope EV come.
21:40 pankkake I'll just bitbet for the lulz
21:41 the20year1 landlords can startup too :)
21:41 pankkake maybe one of my submitted bets will actually turn out to be the crazy option :)
21:42 the20year1 don't you have to back your bets?
21:45 pankkake not necessarily, you get the unlikely house bet to your name
21:45 BingoBoingo Bitbet is the best betting platform.
21:45 pankkake I didn't know that when I started creating bets though!
21:45 pankkake there's a good mpoe-pr post about it
21:46 BingoBoingo Also a few trilema articles.
21:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 50 @ 0.00339999 = 0.17 BTC [-]
22:05 asciilifeform http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=qfrswb8k5mwp&style=b&lvl=2&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=22932432&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1
22:05 ozbot Bing Maps - Driving Directions, Traffic and Road Conditions
22:05 asciilifeform (gulag!)
22:14 bitcoinpete Right, howdy
22:15 bitcoinpete So I finally started a bitcoin blog
22:15 bitcoinpete Seemed like the thing to do
22:15 mircea_popescu heya bitcoinpete
22:15 mircea_popescu is it any good ?
22:15 bitcoinpete Couldn't say
22:15 bitcoinpete It only has one post
22:17 bitcoinpete The single post, hot off the press, is quite relevant to #bitcoin-assets, or at least referenced
22:17 bitcoinpete http://bitcoinpete.com/
22:17 ozbot When Bitcoin Met Pete
22:21 Duffer1 " I can’t separate out the signal when there’s that much noise." i had that exact conclusion a couple months ago
22:21 BingoBoingo bitcoinpete: I think you've got your Middle America metaphore flipped around. Buffet chooses Omaha for a reason.
22:22 mircea_popescu that scary moment when you google a word that you know means ho and you discover that as far as google knows, the only instances it was ever used are on your blog.
22:23 BingoBoingo bitcoinpete: Good writeup though.
22:23 mircea_popescu bitcoinpete "at the alters " < altars.
22:28 bitcoinpete Thanks gang
22:28 bitcoinpete Gotta go entertain some house guests
22:28 mircea_popescu hahaha look at that, someone likes us.
22:28 bitcoinpete I'll be around
22:28 kakobrekla impossibru
22:28 mircea_popescu kakobrekla you've broken it nao.
22:28 kakobrekla broked
22:28 kakobrekla de-leeteing
22:28 mircea_popescu pls to beleete kthx
22:29 kakobrekla lets see some more posts before we conclude this is not trolling!
22:30 mircea_popescu let us conclude this is not trolling now and then be butthurt later
22:30 mircea_popescu thus driving btc price up
22:31 kakobrekla imma get some buttcoins if we plan to get butthurt
22:32 lnovy there's a goxcoin now... and I'm hodling that... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=481185.0
22:33 mircea_popescu come to think of it : buttecoin. proof of work ? collapsed buttes.
22:33 mircea_popescu http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/roads/2014/02/argentina_s_black_market_for_hard_cash_buenos_aires_deliverymen_will_bring.html << money delivery.
22:33 ozbot Argentina’s black market for hard cash: Buenos Aires deliverymen will bring the currency you need.
22:34 mircea_popescu "[ANN][GOX] GoxCoin - 0 coins per block"
22:34 mircea_popescu lol pretty good.
22:36 taub haha
22:36 taub whats the latest update with gox?
22:36 taub no coins or fiat out?
22:36 mircea_popescu to the moon moon moon
22:36 lnovy like every year...
22:37 lnovy fixed soon™
22:37 BingoBoingo What's the prevailing market rate for Buttcoins nao? 25 Gox BTC or 0.035 BTC sound right (price adjusted upward because writing implements are overdone, into the future buttchugging hotsauce is the new standard)
22:39 taub n[3mD▒
22:39 taub whops
22:40 taub bitstamp i'd say
22:40 kakobrekla BingoBoingo lets wait for some beggars to come in and try to get a quote
22:41 BingoBoingo kakobrekla: Sure. I've got coin from Betting against Serena to devote to some lols.
22:41 kakobrekla hehe
22:42 pankkake http://www.coinion.com/2014/02/21/mtgox-drop-bitcoin-start-trading-game-cards/
22:42 BingoBoingo I know mircea_popescu suggested peppers, but with skin intact, much of the entertainment isn't going to leave the pepper.
22:43 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you know, the asshole is the strongest dessicant known on earth.
22:44 BingoBoingo Of course. It is why you need a good oil based lube. KY just dries too fast.
22:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1001 BTC [-]
22:45 mircea_popescu then again capsein is liposoluble isnt it
22:45 BingoBoingo It is, that is why it makes such an effective irritant.
22:45 mircea_popescu right. well... i guess you'll have to peel the peppers.
22:48 KRS-One what do you think of the sphincter as a hole?
22:48 KRS-One .bait
22:48 ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxzhq5zFCA1qiyg3so1_500.jpg
22:48 BingoBoingo That, might be more painful than the sauce, because liquid is going to stimulate a bowel movement in short order. Probably before they can get a picture. Then it is done. A peeled pepper is going to get crushed by an anus and I imagine would linger longer than the sauce would have.
22:51 mircea_popescu http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9ii0zeAgK1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg
22:51 Duffer1 i'm not sure i'm prepared to click that
22:51 Duffer1 everything went better than expected
22:52 mircea_popescu lol
22:54 BingoBoingo According to the Serena Williams principal I'm going to suggest an interesting sweat tomorrow might come from betting Sara McMann to beat Ronda Rousey, IF you can find an appropriate venue to do so (Sorry for dropping the ball on proposing a BitBet)
22:55 lnovy mircea_popescu: prague, I think I know even where...
22:56 mircea_popescu lnovy myeah
22:56 lnovy very old photo thou
22:56 mircea_popescu the czech reslutsblic.
22:56 mircea_popescu i mean repubic
22:56 lnovy that my fatherland! yeah :)
22:56 mircea_popescu hehe.
22:59 BingoBoingo It looks like Goldman might be buying bitcoin http://techcrunch.com/2014/02/21/goldman-bitcoin/
23:01 mircea_popescu need to get mpoe shares somehow...
23:02 BingoBoingo Reconcile Goat and Cabbage?
23:04 BingoBoingo Goldman offers non-answers and suggests problems that are actually well documented non-problems. Either the Janitor is answering questions or they don't want to admit they are buying coins.
23:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00086725 = 5.4637 BTC [-]
23:05 mircea_popescu i don't remember the last time a bank released something intelligent.
23:06 mike_c "there is no liquid derivative market for Bitcoin" only because of gox!
23:06 mike_c silly goldman
23:06 BingoBoingo I think all of the incentives are to favor releasing unintelligent things.
23:06 mircea_popescu indeed.
23:06 mike_c until they get the coins they want, then it will be the best thing since sliced bread
23:07 mircea_popescu generally you can tell who they're affraid of by checking who they don't mention.
23:07 BingoBoingo mike_c: No, they will sowly turn positive.
23:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.50499997 = 2.02 BTC [+] {3}
23:07 BingoBoingo But yeah, the lack of mentions of actual derivatives markets highlights their fears.
23:07 chetty_ mike_c: did you get Eulora running?
23:07 mike_c no, that seg fault stopped me
23:08 mike_c otherwise i would be crafting, not chatting :D
23:08 chetty_ what OS you on?
23:08 mike_c ubuntu.. very recent version
23:08 mike_c maybe 12.x
23:09 chetty_ did you compile or just run? binary should work - was compiled on 12.04
23:09 mike_c just ran it. got CS from the v0.0.1 bundle
23:09 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'that scary moment when you google a word ... discover that as far as google knows, the only instances it was ever used are on your blog' << 'rectothermal'
23:09 mircea_popescu tufuzula.
23:10 chetty_ try running client directly, not from launch - ./euclient see what happens pls
23:10 mike_c will do, but that box is in the office so it won't be til monday.
23:11 mike_c i'll let you know
23:11 Duffer1 ha playing at work?
23:12 mike_c i tried, but since it crashed i had to work..
23:12 Duffer1 :(
23:12 mike_c anyways, i'm the boss :)
23:13 * mircea_popescu ponders whether he should mention the even much cooler thing for the NEXT update
23:13 mircea_popescu prolly not.
23:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 450 @ 0.00086725 = 0.3903 BTC [-]
23:13 mike_c we just got this build. gotta save something.
23:13 mircea_popescu srsly.
23:13 mircea_popescu so who was running windoze ?
23:14 BingoBoingo If they ran it, would they admit it?
23:14 Duffer1 i'm on windows
23:14 Duffer1 don't hate
23:14 mircea_popescu i recall someone saying they run windows at some point
23:14 Duffer1 :P
23:14 mircea_popescu Duffer1 do you know how to compule ?
23:14 mircea_popescu compile*
23:14 asciilifeform beauty of running winblows is that it admits it for you
23:14 Duffer1 i do not
23:14 mircea_popescu lol
23:14 asciilifeform sometimes, using blockchain...
23:15 mike_c i'm on it right now. i looked at compiling it, but gave up reasonably quickly. looked like i would have to modify jamconfig pretty heavily.
23:15 mike_c there is supposed to be a command with jam that will generate a VC workspace, but it didn't work.
23:17 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I imagine if I ran a cube farm somewhere I'd have everyone's terminal set up to report that it was running Windows 95 release and Netscape 4.0
23:19 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: wasn't talking about browser 'user agent' data, either
23:19 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I'm getting curious
23:20 mike_c can't be as bad as a mac that sends the contents of your hard drive to the cloud for you.
23:20 asciilifeform just the fact that a facility where a number of folks run winblows pisses crapware c&c packets through its net pipe the way the sewer outlet of a girl's dorm pisses progesterone (look it up...)
23:21 mike_c ;;goodle dorm progesterone
23:21 gribble Error: "goodle" is not a valid command.
23:21 mike_c ;;google dorm progesterone
23:21 gribble Are Birth Control Pills Changing Evolution? - ViewZone: <http://www.viewzone.com/estrogen.html>; Progesterone Won't Shield Women Against Alzheimer's - ABC News: <http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Healthday/story?id=4509571&page=1>; Powerpoint_24_13 - the Department of Animal Sciences: <http://www.ansci.wisc.edu/jjp1/ansci_repro/lec/lec_24_human/lec24_13.ppt>
23:21 BingoBoingo Ah
23:21 asciilifeform ;;google hormonal water pollution
23:21 gribble Water Pollution Caused by Birth Control Poses Dilemma | LiveScience: <http://www.livescience.com/20532-birth-control-water-pollution.html>; Sex effects of water pollution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_effects_of_water_pollution>; Declining Male Fertility Linked To Water Pollution -- ScienceDaily: (1 more message)
23:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no need to look it up, we know why all the boys on reddit sound like girls.
23:22 asciilifeform more directly relevant to the poor fish, but that's beside the point
23:23 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Also relevant to the people catching them. You can catch some large fish downstream from a wastewater treatment facility, but eating them...
23:24 greenspan_fan reconsidering my exclusively sushi-based diet
23:25 mircea_popescu http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/01/07/reddit-for-men/
23:25 ozbot A Man's Guide to Reddit | The Art of Manliness
23:25 mircea_popescu this shit's pretty lulzy.
23:25 mircea_popescu how to become a man by reading reddit.
23:25 asciilifeform greenspan_fan: invest in a pocket geiger.
23:25 mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/socialskills/comments/1yj6vu/how_to_get_someone_to_text_you_first/
23:25 ozbot How to get someone to text you first. : socialskills
23:25 KRS-One greenspan_fan: Stick with the sushi diet. Pretty soon we will see some pretty interesting sushi dishes due to Fukishima.
23:26 Duffer1 r/wicked_edge I would actually recommend
23:27 greenspan_fan the problem w/ reading reddit for self-improvement is, of course, sample bias
23:27 mircea_popescu Duffer1 what's it about ?
23:27 asciilifeform the general problem with eating shit for nutrition is...
23:27 mircea_popescu i eat sushi.
23:28 mircea_popescu mostly dalmatian salmon
23:28 Duffer1 how to shave proper with a dual or single edge blade
23:28 mircea_popescu Duffer1 i used to do that, i had a barber using a how you call the things, like a knife
23:28 asciilifeform Duffer1: how on earth does one shave with dual-edged blade? i mean, you can use one edge at a time
23:28 greenspan_fan straight razor?
23:28 BingoBoingo It is weird that salmon is one of the newest fish to be used as sashimi and served raw in suchi
23:28 mircea_popescu but tbh, im not a fan of close shaves anymore.
23:28 mircea_popescu greenspan_fan yea
23:29 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo pretty much my favourite. i used to get premium tuna but now i dont trust it.
23:29 asciilifeform could shave with anything that one can sharpen. partizans shaved with axe.
23:29 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: "Safety razo"
23:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform he means those old things, metal with a screw on handle
23:29 asciilifeform aha
23:29 asciilifeform why does the subject need a how-to ?
23:30 greenspan_fan honestly, I have no idea how to shave
23:30 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I like that Salmon doesn't live long enough to accumulate the weird shit tuna does.
23:30 mircea_popescu dude, they have how to's about how to tickle the clit these days.
23:30 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo this is farmed off the dalmatian coast.
23:30 Duffer1 asciilifeform http://www.maggardrazors.com/product-category/safety-razors/
23:30 asciilifeform Duffer1: looks like a normal razor
23:30 asciilifeform (circa 20th c.)
23:30 greenspan_fan but safer
23:31 asciilifeform yes. is there anyone here who has not shaved with this? i'm curious what is remarkable about it
23:31 Duffer1 remember the audience though, fatherless kids who think a 5 blade face mutilator is how to shave correctly cause tv said so
23:31 greenspan_fan exactly!
23:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform about 90% of reddit has never shaved with it
23:31 mircea_popescu half of those for lack of any need to.
23:31 BingoBoingo Ah. Here we have Pacific farmed salmon and Atlantic mostly wild salmon. Usually though I prefer putting up with cooking to enjoy the local freshwater fish though.
23:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00086572 = 2.2942 BTC [-]
23:32 greenspan_fan I'd try using a straight razor but tv has made me think that they will peel off my face
23:32 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo im in flatlands, freshwater fish is unedible.
23:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the amazing things i've learned in this place.
23:32 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
23:32 Duffer1 a straight is an enormous amount of work
23:32 Duffer1 DE for life
23:32 mircea_popescu eh get out.
23:33 mircea_popescu takes a barber ~20 minutes.
23:33 greenspan_fan so I'm kinda contemplating just waxing my face
23:33 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Understandable. It really doesn't take much distance to find places from here where that is true.
23:33 mircea_popescu and that's because he's mostly speaking.
23:33 Duffer1 if you can afford a barber sure, but if you're doing it yourself...
23:33 mircea_popescu Duffer1 what, you think being a barber is like a talent ?
23:34 BingoBoingo Duffer1: Just grow a damned beard already
23:34 greenspan_fan yes, those dudes used to perform surgery
23:34 mircea_popescu zing lol
23:34 Duffer1 i'm sure it could be, but if you're not doing it yourself then it would be overlly expensive
23:34 mircea_popescu so get your gf to do it.
23:34 mircea_popescu topless chick shaving you. it's a turn on
23:35 Duffer1 i'm sure it is
23:35 asciilifeform talented barbers: see the musical 'Sweeney Todd'
23:35 greenspan_fan brb, googling for topless shaving fetishist website
23:35 mircea_popescu che bel piacere...
23:36 mircea_popescu per un barbiere
23:36 mircea_popescu di qualita!
23:36 greenspan_fan http://www.thegrosvenorongeorge.com.au/barber-babes-topless-hairdresser.html
23:36 ozbot Barber Babes is Brisbanes ONLY Topless Barber Shop We have FULLY Qualified Hairdressers who are VERY
23:36 greenspan_fan it exists!
23:36 greenspan_fan not just as a website but a full-on business
23:36 BingoBoingo I don't think I've actualy shaved, rather than merely trimmed my face in the past year, but I have shaved my head probably 10 times more frequently than I have hard my hair trimmed.
23:37 mircea_popescu omfgthere's a tumbler.
23:37 mircea_popescu http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb8hjz0P9J1qiyv6ro1_1280.jpg
23:37 greenspan_fan hahaha
23:37 Duffer1 :(
23:38 greenspan_fan I'm thinking that counts as extremely taboo for muslims
23:38 mircea_popescu MEN'S TOPLESS HAIR WASH, MASSAGE & FINISH = From $15
23:38 mircea_popescu not so bad.
23:39 greenspan_fan depends what kind of finish they're offering
23:39 mircea_popescu course i'd stil luse an older rotund guy myself.
23:43 Duffer1 b2 :P
23:47 BingoBoingo Oh, the lake better manage to get itseld up to 62 degree sometime this next month.
23:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2878 @ 0.0008667 = 2.4944 BTC [+]
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