| 00:00 |
mircea_popescu |
hash function can be a huge problem. |
| 00:00 |
mircea_popescu |
this incidentally is why bitcoin addresses are encoded so layeredly. |
| 00:00 |
mircea_popescu |
even if you somehow bash one hash function in, you still don't really have enough yet |
| 00:00 |
mircea_popescu |
and stuff will have to be emergency-migrated. |
| 00:01 |
greenspan_fan |
if you're able to break SHA-256 you'd end up w/ a majority of the hashing power if you were smart |
| 00:01 |
greenspan_fan |
then couldn't you block the migration? |
| 00:01 |
chetty |
https://discuss.financialjuice.com/uploads/default/1300/009b0c1ddc148fee.jpg |
| 00:01 |
mircea_popescu |
not practically. |
| 00:01 |
mircea_popescu |
if your crack is not known, then maybe for a while you can benefit from it. |
| 00:02 |
mircea_popescu |
if it IS known however the code will just be patched to take it out, and people will move on the new system for cause |
| 00:02 |
mircea_popescu |
and you can do whatever you want on the old chain. |
| 00:02 |
greenspan_fan |
but how do you coordinate moving to the new system? and what if that takes too long? |
| 00:02 |
mircea_popescu |
it takes all of five minutes |
| 00:03 |
mircea_popescu |
"hi guise, here is problem, here is patch, pls install so and so" |
| 00:03 |
greenspan_fan |
I think you're underestimating how hard it would be to patch |
| 00:03 |
mircea_popescu |
or maybe you overestimate. |
| 00:03 |
mircea_popescu |
what's the thinking ? |
| 00:04 |
mircea_popescu |
(your q was as to coordinate moving, not as to patching, mind) |
| 00:04 |
greenspan_fan |
well look at transaction malleability; doesn't seem like a huge problem, but it hasn't been fixed yet |
| 00:04 |
mircea_popescu |
well ? |
| 00:04 |
Apocalyptic |
it's not an issue |
| 00:04 |
mircea_popescu |
when you say sha was breached you're not describing some nitnoy thing nobody cares about. |
| 00:04 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.48101 = 0.962 BTC [-] |
| 00:05 |
greenspan_fan |
well yeah, but there comes a point when subverting btc is the most profitable use of a breakthrough, hence the first thing it'd be used for |
| 00:05 |
mircea_popescu |
so ? |
| 00:06 |
greenspan_fan |
in the interim between breach, patch being devised and patch being promulgated, you'd have zero activity |
| 00:06 |
mircea_popescu |
so you would. |
| 00:07 |
greenspan_fan |
and that doesn't constitute a huge problem? |
| 00:07 |
Duffer1 |
that assumes a patch hasn't already been made |
| 00:07 |
mircea_popescu |
greenspan_fan not really. bitcoin is not visa. |
| 00:08 |
greenspan_fan |
mircea_popescu as you say, not a problem for reasonably wealthy individuals, but it means that if you don't already have a lot of fiat currency, you can't rely on bitcoin |
| 00:08 |
Duffer1 |
software changes, it'd be annoying sure and the media shitfest will be epic, but neither of those things matter |
| 00:08 |
mircea_popescu |
greenspan_fan not sure if you ever read http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/#comment-92015 ? |
| 00:08 |
greenspan_fan |
one sec, finding a new proxy... |
| 00:08 |
mircea_popescu |
and no, you should not rely on bitcoin. this has been explicitly stated since day one. bitcoin is not here for you to rely on. |
| 00:10 |
benkay |
greenspan_fan: you don't need credits for comments. |
| 00:11 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06800001 = 0.136 BTC [-] |
| 00:11 |
KRS-One |
.bait |
| 00:11 |
ozbot |
http://24.media.tumblr.com/0230a601ff554ecdd6d2941552f4d89f/tumblr_msi3siUEvs1r1rxrbo1_500.jpg |
| 00:14 |
greenspan_fan |
OK, so the contention is that things that are faster to process (such as cash or credit) are expected to allow for retail level/immediate transaction, while btc is more of a long term store of value, right? |
| 00:16 |
mircea_popescu |
well, more of a long term slower moving thing yeah |
| 00:16 |
mircea_popescu |
let's do some napkin calculations here. |
| 00:17 |
greenspan_fan |
brb, all I have is paper |
| 00:17 |
mircea_popescu |
built-in ccp delay on a payment, ~1 second. built in btc delay on a payment, ~10 minutes. |
| 00:17 |
mircea_popescu |
tolerable ccp service outage, ~one day, from experience so far. |
| 00:17 |
mircea_popescu |
thus therefore, tolerable btc outage should be something like 2 years. |
| 00:18 |
greenspan_fan |
absent some other similar currency overtaking it due to the delay |
| 00:18 |
mircea_popescu |
obviously presuming liniarty and so on and so forth, but just for the sake of it. |
| 00:18 |
greenspan_fan |
which is the case for the short term |
| 00:18 |
mircea_popescu |
greenspan_fan well presumably whatever suspends btc suspends all btc-likes |
| 00:18 |
mircea_popescu |
otherwise btc is just borkt and needs fixing |
| 00:19 |
asciilifeform |
time to digest a meal: ~6 hours. does that mean that one should be able to go without meal for ~72 yrs? |
| 00:19 |
benkay |
not that this actually prevents anyone from exchanging btc, provided they're sufficiently trusty |
| 00:19 |
benkay |
"here - take this pre-signed transaction" |
| 00:19 |
mircea_popescu |
benkay actually, no trust needed. |
| 00:19 |
benkay |
now, you're dependent on the technical ability of your counterparty to track and not double-spend. |
| 00:19 |
mircea_popescu |
"here, take this pre-signed tx, put it in your block" |
| 00:20 |
mircea_popescu |
i mean, we can do blockchain propagation and mining via email ffs. |
| 00:20 |
mircea_popescu |
this was actually tested back in the old days of mpoe, works just fine. |
| 00:20 |
benkay |
well what does it mean for bitcoin to be stopped!? |
| 00:20 |
mircea_popescu |
ikr? |
| 00:21 |
asciilifeform |
is there a scenario with 'paper & pencil btc' that does not reduce to simply 'Hawala' ? |
| 00:21 |
benkay |
i'm going back to figuring out how to represent a 32-bit int in ragel on java. |
| 00:21 |
mircea_popescu |
fucking java. |
| 00:21 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform if one takes a conceptual hawala rather than any particular historical implementation, no. |
| 00:21 |
benkay |
you can say that again. |
| 00:21 |
benkay |
"stench of the cube farm" |
| 00:21 |
mircea_popescu |
course this is more of a case of hawala reduces to bitcoin |
| 00:22 |
greenspan_fan |
Well, given the above, I expect that btc is just a placeholder for something that will have numerous quantitative technical improvements. |
| 00:22 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform> time to digest a meal: ~6 hours. does that mean that one should be able to go without meal for ~72 yrs << yes, if they were a payment processor. |
| 00:23 |
mircea_popescu |
greenspan_fan so did satoshi. |
| 00:23 |
mircea_popescu |
reality does not care what we expect, turns out. |
| 00:23 |
benkay |
i expect a new whore at the door |
| 00:23 |
greenspan_fan |
how does one calculate EV in whores? |
| 00:23 |
asciilifeform |
to go back to the 'peasant never saw a gold coin' scenario. a peasant, correct. how about a shipyard? |
| 00:24 |
mircea_popescu |
greenspan_fan not clear, but er is the clap. |
| 00:24 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform go on ? |
| 00:24 |
asciilifeform |
idea being, gold was never purely a long-term store |
| 00:25 |
greenspan_fan |
at some point, you need to be able to exchange for things to have value |
| 00:25 |
benkay |
but the "you" here can vary, and does not include pizzas |
| 00:25 |
asciilifeform |
one can picture a degenerate case - e.g. hydrogen bomb |
| 00:26 |
benkay |
more like "o now i have credit for a billion pizzas at this local bitcoin brokerage" |
| 00:26 |
greenspan_fan |
wouldn't the degenerate case be a strangelet? |
| 00:27 |
asciilifeform |
in the sense of the ultimate 'trading sardine' |
| 00:27 |
asciilifeform |
(strongly negative 'use value') |
| 00:28 |
asciilifeform |
trying to think of items which act as store of value in some useful sense without really being spendable |
| 00:29 |
asciilifeform |
and whether the phrase 'store of value' even makes sense here. |
| 00:29 |
greenspan_fan |
perhaps things that would fall under the category of intellectual property? |
| 00:30 |
benkay |
it's arguably only contextual in a world in which nobody can really ant their hard work away. |
| 00:30 |
greenspan_fan |
I can't spend "knowing how to make an engine", but knowing that I can do that (and having the plans/information to do so) stores value |
| 00:30 |
benkay |
or rather it's astronomically difficult to do so. |
| 00:31 |
asciilifeform |
we can talk about 'storing energy' and come to rational conclusions about physically-real things (e.g. organisms.) and then we can talk about storing 'value', and end up with pseudo-scientific strange... |
| 00:31 |
mircea_popescu |
greenspan_fan this seems to me a completely unwarranted generalisation that actrually breaks logic. |
| 00:32 |
mircea_popescu |
no, it does not "store value" any more than "empathy" as used by the libertard is either human or virtuous. |
| 00:32 |
asciilifeform |
'value' is phlogiston. |
| 00:32 |
greenspan_fan |
mircea_popescu you're right, it does seem to beg the question... |
| 00:33 |
greenspan_fan |
trying to define why something is valuable is hard enough without also restricting the ability to spend it |
| 00:33 |
mircea_popescu |
not that there's anything wrong with trying anything and everything on the beast. |
| 00:33 |
mircea_popescu |
roughly we're in the situation of "dragon moved in hillside next to village" |
| 00:33 |
mircea_popescu |
threowing a virgin that way once or twice is sensible. |
| 00:34 |
asciilifeform |
to complete the picture, 'dragon' turns out to be a peculiarly-shaped active volcano. |
| 00:35 |
mircea_popescu |
no it's a dragon |
| 00:35 |
mircea_popescu |
you're just looking at its zit. |
| 00:35 |
asciilifeform |
precisely that. |
| 00:36 |
mircea_popescu |
<asciilifeform> idea being, gold was never purely a long-term store <<< this will need fleshing out. |
| 00:36 |
mircea_popescu |
seems to me it was purely a long term store. |
| 00:36 |
mircea_popescu |
people short-term stored in silver. |
| 00:38 |
chetty |
storing value is actually a bet isn't it? That there will be a future to use it in. |
| 00:38 |
mircea_popescu |
that's no sort of bet. |
| 00:38 |
mircea_popescu |
if there's no future you've not lost anything. |
| 00:39 |
greenspan_fan |
opportunity cost, assuming you could store elsewhere, which you can |
| 00:39 |
chetty |
yeah you have, the use today of whatever you stored |
| 00:40 |
greenspan_fan |
btc will continue to be valuable because it has previously been valuable and there's the expectation that, over some acceptable time period, you can exchange it |
| 00:41 |
greenspan_fan |
the uncertainty comes from the second part, because it's a new protocol and it's difficult to predict what might impact your ability to exchange it |
| 00:42 |
greenspan_fan |
the things I'm thinking of are either flaws in the protocol, flaws in the software, concerted regulation or an attack via a sufficiently powerful adversary |
| 00:43 |
asciilifeform |
the common factor between btc and gold, etc. is (no surprise to anyone, i hope) - behaviour as a closed (i.e. conserved) system, and easily verified as such |
| 00:44 |
greenspan_fan |
how much would it cost to get enough hashing power to wreck the network? how long would you have to disrupt the network before it becomes far less valuable? |
| 00:44 |
asciilifeform |
recommended reading: the different ways in which self-proclaimed alchemists were treated in various times and places. |
| 00:44 |
mircea_popescu |
greenspan_fan it's not strictly a matter of cost. |
| 00:45 |
mircea_popescu |
people are currently desperate to buy stuff to wreck the network with |
| 00:45 |
mircea_popescu |
noone's selling. |
| 00:45 |
mircea_popescu |
the computational cost of the network has been calculated, on trilema, it was scary back then. it's way worse now. |
| 00:45 |
asciilifeform |
this is predicated on the assumption of brute force, though. |
| 00:45 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2013/things-that-matter-these-days-things-that-dont-matter-these-days/ |
| 00:46 |
ozbot |
Things that matter these days ; things that don’t matter these days. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mirce |
| 00:46 |
mircea_popescu |
article in question. |
| 00:46 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform well sure. |
| 00:46 |
greenspan_fan |
as an example, if you were paypal, could you afford to design, build, and power enough asics to wreck the network? |
| 00:47 |
mircea_popescu |
look throguh the math there, do your own calculations. |
| 00:47 |
BingoBoingo |
Depends on who finds the shortcut. If someone manages to math in a way that a GPU hashes like an army of buttfuries, they may just quietly collect coins. coins. |
| 00:48 |
mircea_popescu |
then someone emulates quantum computers in a zx80 emulator emularted within a gpu card and bam |
| 00:49 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahaha von-schlep |
| 00:49 |
asciilifeform |
any one of you folks who wants to actually give this a go, scroll up the log to find the n-sat solver... haha |
| 00:50 |
asciilifeform |
'...the first woodpecker would destroy civilization' - but he can't be arsed. |
| 00:51 |
greenspan_fan |
it's a question of economics-- is subverting a cryptocurrency worth more to you than profiting from it? |
| 00:51 |
asciilifeform |
'some just wanna watch it burn' |
| 00:52 |
greenspan_fan |
"if you want a picture of the future, it's us collecting a 3% transaction fee... forever" |
| 00:55 |
mircea_popescu |
http://minigame.bz/eulora/binaries/ << new eulora release. |
| 00:55 |
mircea_popescu |
includes source. davout pankkake |
| 00:55 |
mircea_popescu |
and i forget who else was asking me about it. |
| 00:56 |
mircea_popescu |
it also includes basic crafting and skill training and harvesting and recipes and stuff. |
| 00:56 |
mod6 |
cool! |
| 00:56 |
greenspan_fan |
what is it? |
| 00:58 |
chetty |
greenspan_fan, eulora, mmorpg |
| 00:59 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: can you quickly say, what is the largest number of legal moves possible for one chess player, in any position? |
| 01:00 |
BingoBoingo |
I cannot. |
| 01:00 |
asciilifeform |
(i can easily estimate an upper bound, using 'ah he has 16 queens') |
| 01:00 |
asciilifeform |
idly wondering about a 'provably fair' blockchain chess-for-coin |
| 01:01 |
asciilifeform |
as i fall asleep |
| 01:01 |
BingoBoingo |
Sure, but tightening that upper bound gets messy. Even 16 queens block each other, restricting movement. |
| 01:01 |
asciilifeform |
sure |
| 01:02 |
asciilifeform |
my 1st thought was 'referee has canonical enumerator for legal moves. player moves by encoding integer M' |
| 01:02 |
asciilifeform |
'first player who cannot M > 0 lost' |
| 01:03 |
asciilifeform |
but then, repeated-move stalemates |
| 01:03 |
asciilifeform |
and the like |
| 01:04 |
BingoBoingo |
That could work. |
| 01:04 |
asciilifeform |
(for completeness of picture, first player who moves with M' > M (illegal) also lost. clearly.) |
| 01:04 |
mircea_popescu |
greenspan_fan http://trilema.com/category/smg/ |
| 01:04 |
asciilifeform |
if the bip-whatever voodoo mentioned earlier actually gets baked into the blockchain, one could conceivably play this game |
| 01:05 |
asciilifeform |
without a referee |
| 01:05 |
BingoBoingo |
Then there's the part where M=0 stalemates exist. |
| 01:05 |
asciilifeform |
(the pot would automagically move to the winner) |
| 01:05 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform no because each game could only be played once ? |
| 01:06 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: moves would be carried out by sending to an addr generated for the purpose |
| 01:06 |
mircea_popescu |
uh |
| 01:06 |
asciilifeform |
low bits of sum <-> move |
| 01:07 |
asciilifeform |
winner keeps the total |
| 01:07 |
asciilifeform |
of course, this is foolish, because we've the angels but not the pin-head. |
| 01:07 |
asciilifeform |
unless i'm missing something. |
| 01:10 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, it would require all four low digits. |
| 01:10 |
asciilifeform |
sure, for a low stake game, the moves are the pot. |
| 01:11 |
asciilifeform |
you could play this right now, sans voodoo, and it would look quite like the 'provably fair' dice widgets |
| 01:12 |
asciilifeform |
(someone is driving the payouts, but you can trivially verify, having only the blockchain, that he never did anything other than the Right Thing) |
| 01:12 |
asciilifeform |
hell, no fancy encodings needed, just stuff normal algebraic notation in |
| 01:12 |
BingoBoingo |
Right. |
| 01:12 |
moiety |
yay a new way i could lose? |
| 01:13 |
asciilifeform |
(12 bits) |
| 01:14 |
asciilifeform |
this is so trivial, that if it does not already exist, it is purely from lack of interest in the game |
| 01:16 |
asciilifeform |
is worth considering even if you don't like to play for coin. encourages slow games... |
| 01:16 |
BingoBoingo |
Sure. |
| 01:20 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5049 BTC [+] |
| 01:22 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5049 BTC [+] |
| 01:23 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5049 BTC [+] |
| 01:29 |
mircea_popescu |
https://twitter.com/krtek_net/status/436386804372344832 |
| 01:29 |
ozbot |
Twitter / krtek_net: Mtgox is sorting orders, waiiting ... |
| 01:29 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao check out this shit. |
| 01:30 |
mircea_popescu |
who was asking about "interveaving" ? |
| 01:31 |
benkay |
intervaging |
| 01:32 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell bloctoc there is oyur answer : it stopped dropping because they've stopped executing orders under X value. |
| 01:32 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 01:32 |
mircea_popescu |
if you put an order to sell they'll just delay it until someone bids enough. |
| 01:33 |
benkay |
thereby guaranteeing a rapid dissolution of fractional reserve? |
| 01:34 |
benkay |
"oops! guess we ran out." |
| 01:35 |
BingoBoingo |
I'm impressed it took them this long. |
| 01:35 |
mircea_popescu |
benkay all it seems it'd do would be cut down volume |
| 01:36 |
mircea_popescu |
i suppose maybe maintain the appearance of things working in the eyes of complete noobs for an extra... hours ? coupla days ? |
| 01:36 |
benkay |
is there a bitbet on capitulation? |
| 01:36 |
mircea_popescu |
not afaik |
| 01:39 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06801 = 0.204 BTC [+] |
| 01:40 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.068 = 0.272 BTC [-] |
| 01:40 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2014/smg-eulora-v004/ << |
| 01:40 |
ozbot |
S.MG - Eulora v0.0.4 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 01:43 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10199999 BTC [+] |
| 01:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00086615 = 26.331 BTC [+] |
| 02:00 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [-] |
| 02:04 |
moiety |
people are so ridiculous. http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/japan-woman-chased-by-stampeding-herd-rabbits-video-1437033 they say she makes a lucky escape.... |
| 02:04 |
moiety |
she's fucking feeding them! |
| 02:05 |
BingoBoingo |
If it can happen to Jimmy Carter. |
| 02:09 |
moiety |
lol! i didn't know about this "incident" |
| 02:10 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48112 BTC [-] |
| 02:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00086609 = 7.8814 BTC [-] {2} |
| 02:10 |
moiety |
was not disappointed! lol wiki has a pic of the rabbit "swimming away from the President" ffs lol |
| 02:16 |
BingoBoingo |
Bunnies make the perfect sleeper agents |
| 02:19 |
moiety |
i thought it was hilarious when they accused the downing street cat of being a spy |
| 02:20 |
moiety |
it had been missing and turned up one day randomly where it shouldn't have been, so they got all suspicious of it lol |
| 02:23 |
BingoBoingo |
Well the sufficiently paranoid could assume a bug was sewn into the cat. |
| 02:24 |
moiety |
yep exactly what they thought |
| 02:24 |
moiety |
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/06/10/is-george-osbornes-cat-freya-chinese-spy_n_3415629.html |
| 02:24 |
ozbot |
Is George Osborne's Cat Freya A Chinese Spy? |
| 02:24 |
moiety |
she had been gone 3 years |
| 02:25 |
moiety |
poor cat |
| 02:26 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.48095233 = 4.3286 BTC [-] {6} |
| 02:28 |
mircea_popescu |
all this derpage re @wesuck or whatever that thing's called reads to me a lot like "o hey we here at dead-fiat-ventures wish to make a last stand against this evil bitcoin empire" |
| 02:29 |
mircea_popescu |
"we still work! look! please! care!" |
| 02:31 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: The gawker rag Valleyway (the one with hedgec0k) has been running some lulzy bitcoin stuff you should probably have one of the girls archive. |
| 02:32 |
mircea_popescu |
nah, that's one of those venues which gets blacklisted in integrum. |
| 02:32 |
mircea_popescu |
makes little difference what anyone working for gawker actually said, having worked for it is enough. |
| 02:33 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe fleshbot being an exception or w/e. |
| 02:34 |
BingoBoingo |
I could see Deadspin surviving with Fleshbot. |
| 02:34 |
mircea_popescu |
fun fact : back in 2008 (ie, as the crisis hit) denton suspended their bonus package. |
| 02:34 |
mircea_popescu |
133 people were sharing about 50k a month in bonuses |
| 02:35 |
mircea_popescu |
rationale being "nobody gives a shit about pageviews" |
| 02:35 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 50000 / 133 / 650 |
| 02:35 |
gribble |
0.578368999422 |
| 02:35 |
mircea_popescu |
half a bitcoin a month on average. how's that for a bonus. |
| 02:36 |
BingoBoingo |
A half a Bitcoin is pretty sweet. The equivalent in shitbucks not so much. |
| 02:37 |
mircea_popescu |
but hey, you know. cocksuckers making enough to pay for either their own coffee or their own sugar opine on matters. |
| 02:38 |
greenspan_fan |
I wonder if the opining actually shapes matters, like, at all? |
| 02:38 |
greenspan_fan |
because the self-perception of influence is part of the compensation |
| 02:38 |
BingoBoingo |
Eh, at least Gawker has some elements like Fleshbot that could survive. Huffington post and Buzzfeed though, lack even that. |
| 02:39 |
greenspan_fan |
I think you underestimate how easy a content aggregator is to run |
| 02:39 |
greenspan_fan |
if all your "employees" work for free, then everything else is profit |
| 02:39 |
mircea_popescu |
greenspan_fan the self-perception of importance is pretty much the whole of the compensation. |
| 02:40 |
mircea_popescu |
the influence however, is exactly zero. |
| 02:40 |
greenspan_fan |
I worked at one point for a place that was getting into social media, but once you're out of that sort of giddy milieu it just doesn't seem like it's much of a priority |
| 02:41 |
mircea_popescu |
i mean sure, steal and distribute warez, get qt pissed off. |
| 02:41 |
mircea_popescu |
but in that sense piratebay eats their cookie. |
| 02:41 |
BingoBoingo |
I think we should replace this "content aggregating" with pankakke's brilliant term "assass" |
| 02:41 |
greenspan_fan |
ass as a service? |
| 02:41 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahaha |
| 02:41 |
BingoBoingo |
Of course. |
| 02:42 |
greenspan_fan |
amazing idea: netflix for prostitution |
| 02:42 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
| 02:42 |
BingoBoingo |
The original assass contains interesting things. The lesser assasses AOL it up. |
| 02:42 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.46286778 = 8.3316 BTC [-] {8} |
| 02:43 |
greenspan_fan |
I already have a tagline: the world's newest profession |
| 02:44 |
greenspan_fan |
is y combinator taking applications? |
| 02:44 |
mircea_popescu |
sure. |
| 02:45 |
greenspan_fan |
I think it would be worthwhile to apply w/ that idea, like a startup version of the sokal affair |
| 02:45 |
BingoBoingo |
greenspan_fan: To my knowledge they process applications in batches. Kind of like the Army except without the filtering to keep bona fide retards out of camp. |
| 02:45 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.461 = 1.844 BTC [-] |
| 02:46 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.461 = 3.688 BTC [-] {2} |
| 02:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00086434 = 17.5893 BTC [-] |
| 02:50 |
mircea_popescu |
all you have to do is convincingly suck up. |
| 02:50 |
mircea_popescu |
go identify who the guys involved are, send girls to fuck each of them, |
| 02:50 |
mircea_popescu |
then get the girls together for the public pitch |
| 02:50 |
mircea_popescu |
you're in. |
| 02:51 |
mircea_popescu |
play the "womenz in tech" angle for maximum butthurt later on. |
| 02:52 |
chetty |
womenz in tech is an angle?? |
| 02:52 |
greenspan_fan |
hopefully an acute one, HA HA HA HA HA |
| 02:52 |
BingoBoingo |
In the People |
| 02:52 |
mircea_popescu |
for these schmucks it's nothing but an angle. |
| 02:52 |
BingoBoingo |
's Republic of California it is |
| 02:54 |
greenspan_fan |
is it really? or is that just something that everyone pretends to value because the alternative is constant broadsides from the SJ crowd? |
| 02:55 |
chetty |
does any real person care what the SJ crowd does/says? |
| 02:55 |
greenspan_fan |
maybe? I honestly can't tell |
| 02:55 |
mircea_popescu |
greenspan_fan well, it's like in any socialist state : some people go along because they hope to get something from it, |
| 02:55 |
mircea_popescu |
most just nod it off. |
| 02:56 |
mircea_popescu |
there are entire career paths financed on the public dole which consist of nothing but pretending like the crap matters, |
| 02:56 |
mircea_popescu |
and so... you know, economic recovery. we've hired more people to do nothing, go us. |
| 02:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.0008669 = 14.6073 BTC [+] {3} |
| 03:03 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, a lot of roads I have little occasion look much more impressive than they used to. Doesn't offer much utility though. |
| 03:03 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.068 = 0.272 BTC [-] |
| 03:04 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06700111 = 0.402 BTC [-] {3} |
| 03:15 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.46100001 = 1.844 BTC [+] |
| 03:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.00086724 = 20.0766 BTC [+] {2} |
| 03:22 |
greenspan_fan |
any recommendations for bulk image viewers for OS X? |
| 03:22 |
greenspan_fan |
I have an absurd number of graphs in assorted subdirectories... |
| 03:34 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.46100001 = 1.844 BTC [+] {2} |
| 03:36 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.461 = 0.922 BTC [-] |
| 03:38 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.46 = 6.9 BTC [-] {3} |
| 03:43 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.451 BTC [-] |
| 03:45 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4501 BTC [-] |
| 03:55 |
cazalla |
that gox bet is looking good now |
| 03:56 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 244 @ 0.00479645 = 1.1703 BTC [-] {17} |
| 03:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.45 = 6.75 BTC [-] {2} |
| 04:04 |
BingoBoingo |
cazalla: Which one? link plox |
| 04:05 |
cazalla |
http://bitbet.us/bet/281/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-be-above-150-on/ |
| 04:06 |
BingoBoingo |
cazalla: It actually looked better days ago when I pointed it out to KRS-One |
| 04:06 |
cazalla |
would've been a nice no 11 months ago |
| 04:07 |
cazalla |
guessing it'll still resolve as yes |
| 04:08 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, if Gox keeps their order matching shennanigans up |
| 04:17 |
mircea_popescu |
https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/436429248740728832 |
| 04:17 |
ozbot |
Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @Falkvinge @kLee1977 I'll bet ... |
| 04:17 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo i can't find people to take these easy bets with |
| 04:17 |
BingoBoingo |
Things like gox fucking with order matching though need to be considered in these bets. Anticipating SatoshiDice would probably not be listed on MPEx for the full length of 2013 make pushed me to put a whole BTC on S.BBet being worth more back in February. |
| 04:18 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Well, you have been seasoned as a strategic consultant. |
| 04:18 |
BingoBoingo |
Thinking decades instead of hours. |
| 04:20 |
BingoBoingo |
Whatsapp is too Myspace to have value. WhatsApp embraces customers too poor for actual tools. |
| 04:20 |
BingoBoingo |
Kinda like Microsoft. |
| 04:22 |
BingoBoingo |
DE however, when fiat fails has a lot of copper and fiber. |
| 04:22 |
B007 |
Microsoft? I don't think you know what you're talking about |
| 04:22 |
BingoBoingo |
B007: How little do consumers have to pay for WIndows? |
| 04:23 |
B007 |
So? Microsoft sells to corporations |
| 04:23 |
BingoBoingo |
Generally Windows is bundled with a consumer machine and consumers accept that to not learn better things. |
| 04:24 |
B007 |
true |
| 04:24 |
BingoBoingo |
The entire microsoft ecosystem from Basic in the 70's to nao is that doing better things is more expensive in terms of time to learn the right ways. |
| 04:25 |
B007 |
but I don't think you can compare Microsoft to WhatsApp |
| 04:25 |
BingoBoingo |
Now that WIndows is so entrenched with lusers over decades, they have been able to force a sorporate ecosystem, because learning is bad Mkay. |
| 04:25 |
BingoBoingo |
B007: What is the problematic point? |
| 04:26 |
BingoBoingo |
This fake messaging network business whatsapp is in isn't too different from the fake software development tools business Microsoft started with |
| 04:27 |
B007 |
Microsoft is vastly different from a messageing app |
| 04:27 |
BingoBoingo |
It wasn't at its inception. This is the old "Fake it until you make it" 30k millionaire shit. |
| 04:28 |
B007 |
yeah |
| 04:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06888867 = 0.1378 BTC [+] {2} |
| 04:29 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06888829 = 0.3444 BTC [-] {2} |
| 04:29 |
BingoBoingo |
The thing is there just aren't opportunites to do this anymore really. |
| 04:29 |
B007 |
sure there are |
| 04:30 |
B007 |
you are in the wrong business son |
| 04:31 |
BingoBoingo |
Maybe, but I'm not in the wrong business that Facebook and Whatsapp are |
| 04:32 |
B007 |
advertising? |
| 04:32 |
BingoBoingo |
B007: Deception. THey are in the deception business. |
| 04:32 |
B007 |
hshs |
| 04:36 |
BingoBoingo |
http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/02/20/0312253/math-models-predicted-global-uprisings |
| 04:37 |
ozbot |
Math Models Predicted Global Uprisings - Slashdot |
| 04:49 |
mircea_popescu |
what was the lowest consumer license for windoze, like 50 bux ? |
| 04:50 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: For OEMs I hink I've read it goes down to at least $25 |
| 04:50 |
mircea_popescu |
nominally |
| 04:50 |
mircea_popescu |
prolly goes down to 25 by going up to 90 |
| 04:51 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, MS's money comes largely from WIndows volume and selling Office and Visual studio. |
| 04:52 |
BingoBoingo |
MS's priority for WIndows has to be keeping the number of Windows installs up to keep selling Office and Visual Studios. |
| 04:54 |
chetty |
I really fail to understand why anyone would still be using windows |
| 04:55 |
BingoBoingo |
chetty: Inertia and aversion to learning I imagine. |
| 04:55 |
mircea_popescu |
"it just works" |
| 04:55 |
mircea_popescu |
no wait, that's the other one. |
| 04:56 |
BingoBoingo |
The other one hasn't just worked since version 7.5.1 |
| 04:57 |
BingoBoingo |
Windows seems more to just be a fear of any other name. Call it pudding and they will ignore it is shit. |
| 04:58 |
mircea_popescu |
goatse.os |
| 04:59 |
mircea_popescu |
i have a new formula for computing the market value of bitcoin |
| 04:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31100 @ 0.00086842 = 27.0079 BTC [+] {3} |
| 04:59 |
mircea_popescu |
number of articles published discussing bitcoin / number of sensible things said. |
| 04:59 |
mircea_popescu |
it works for all currencies pretty much. |
| 05:00 |
mircea_popescu |
when bitcoin gets close to about pi it's time to sell. |
| 05:02 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 90 @ 0.00453677 = 0.4083 BTC [-] {8} |
| 05:03 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 79 @ 0.00433875 = 0.3428 BTC [-] {7} |
| 05:06 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: So atm RSS beats herbi? |
| 05:06 |
mircea_popescu |
how's that ? |
| 05:07 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: It give you articles published on bitcoin. Reading gives you the sensible things. Then math. |
| 05:07 |
mircea_popescu |
i read very little and understand even less. |
| 05:09 |
BingoBoingo |
Isn't that what the girls are for? |
| 05:11 |
mircea_popescu |
i was talking to a friend earlier and i said "tis hard being a woman". she retorted "yeah, not only our brains don't work but tits and asses both droop with time too!" |
| 05:11 |
mircea_popescu |
it's hard all around my brothar. hard times. |
| 05:13 |
MisterE |
MS got teh Enterprise |
| 05:13 |
MisterE |
and thats what matters |
| 05:13 |
mircea_popescu |
actually it |
| 05:13 |
BingoBoingo |
MisterE: for some definitions of enterprise. |
| 05:13 |
mircea_popescu |
s been making huge gains on webhosting. |
| 05:13 |
MisterE |
when you're stacking Benjis |
| 05:13 |
MisterE |
^ |
| 05:14 |
MisterE |
hate to say it but Azure was good before the upgrade now I hear no complaints |
| 05:14 |
MisterE |
coz I root for the to fail heh |
| 05:14 |
BingoBoingo |
Is Microsoft actually making gains or are the finally moving Hotmail off of FreeBSD |
| 05:15 |
mircea_popescu |
seems a combination of really shitty hosting and people running servers on their home broadband |
| 05:16 |
BingoBoingo |
Well all of those spam sites need to point .info and .pw domains somewhere. |
| 05:21 |
Namworld |
https://www.mtgox.com/img/pdf/20140220-Announcement.pdf |
| 05:21 |
Namworld |
Exclusive news |
| 05:21 |
Namworld |
Before it's posted officially. |
| 05:21 |
Namworld |
They should change their pdf naming standard. |
| 05:22 |
mircea_popescu |
jajaja |
| 05:22 |
mircea_popescu |
well done |
| 05:23 |
mircea_popescu |
Namworld ty, i dumped it on twitter :D |
| 05:24 |
Namworld |
It's posted now it seems on gox. |
| 05:24 |
Namworld |
Well that was quick. |
| 05:26 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 05:28 |
wao-ender |
:D |
| 05:30 |
Namworld |
This announcement is as stupid as the previous one. Who would have thought. |
| 05:30 |
BingoBoingo |
GoxBTC is headed to the CORE!!! |
| 05:30 |
Namworld |
Protesters were a security threat? |
| 05:31 |
BingoBoingo |
Namworld: They didn't want to let Mark hug out the scam accusations |
| 05:32 |
mircea_popescu |
such a roflmao thing |
| 05:32 |
mircea_popescu |
mtgox turns out to be about as good as bfl. |
| 05:33 |
BingoBoingo |
Well... Most people took 18 months to abandon BFL. Gox went, what... a whole 24 months before getting called out? |
| 05:33 |
Namworld |
Or worse |
| 05:34 |
mircea_popescu |
Bitcoin Foundation businesses! FTW! |
| 05:34 |
Namworld |
They aren't done yet proving themselves. |
| 05:34 |
Namworld |
They could become the best worst. |
| 05:36 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.488 BTC [+] |
| 05:36 |
mircea_popescu |
this is true. |
| 05:38 |
BingoBoingo |
I'm still leaving the offer out there if Goldman or JPM wants to try outrunning YCombinator that I tucked in my footnotes |
| 05:39 |
mircea_popescu |
the problem you run into is this : they do not wish to actually matter in the world that is, they wish to instead live in a world they'd prefer. |
| 05:39 |
mircea_popescu |
that you can't do for them, nobody can, and so until they learn to submit you;re not going to have business there. |
| 05:40 |
jurov |
Sooo...infamous bitcoinbourse.eu is going to allow for trading of stocks...another lulzround begins? |
| 05:41 |
jurov |
But Markus is far less competent than ukyo/burnside...so prolly not. |
| 05:42 |
mircea_popescu |
there is a lot of competition in being the best worst. |
| 05:43 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.10208 = 0.5104 BTC [+] {3} |
| 05:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00086434 = 11.0636 BTC [-] |
| 05:43 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: I watched La Terra Trema. JP Morgan will have to find a wholesaler sometime. |
| 05:43 |
mircea_popescu |
hehe what did you thinkl ? |
| 05:44 |
BingoBoingo |
It ended how the Merchant of Venice should have. |
| 05:44 |
mircea_popescu |
hehe |
| 05:45 |
BingoBoingo |
Had to watch it twice since I understand spoken Spanish survivably but Italian not so much. |
| 05:48 |
ThickAsThieves |
i might win! <cazalla> http://bitbet.us/bet/281/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-be-above-150-on/ |
| 05:48 |
BingoBoingo |
ThickAsThieves: Which side you take, this could be thrilling |
| 05:48 |
ThickAsThieves |
;;ticker --market mtgox |
| 05:48 |
gribble |
MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 150.0, Best ask: 153.216, Bid-ask spread: 3.21600, Last trade: 150.0, 24 hour volume: 67216.83064744, 24 hour low: 134.09756, 24 hour high: 276.24152, 24 hour vwap: 201.18216 |
| 05:48 |
ThickAsThieves |
i'm on No |
| 05:49 |
BingoBoingo |
ThickAsThieves: You realize the bet it for that particular day and not before. |
| 05:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
i know |
| 05:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
but they are dead |
| 05:50 |
BingoBoingo |
ThickAsThieves: They were on a ventilator 9 months. Most sane courts would have unplugged the vegetable. |
| 05:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
"In addition to the technical issue, this week we have experienced some |
| 05:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
security problems, and as a result we had to relocate MtGox to our previous office building |
| 05:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
in Shibuya (details can be found here https://support.mtgox.com/home). The move, |
| 05:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
combined with some other security and technical challenges, pushed back our progress." |
| 05:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
lol! |
| 05:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
"As much as we didn’t want to only provide an “update on an update”, this is the current |
| 05:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
status. We are committed to solving this issue and will provide more information as soon |
| 05:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
as possible to keep everyone in the loop." |
| 05:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
" |
| 05:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
We are very sorry for the delays and deeply appreciate your kind understanding and |
| 05:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
continuous support." |
| 05:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
yay! |
| 05:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
sorry i'm delirious from randomly waking up too early cuz i had feeling itd be crashing |
| 05:52 |
BingoBoingo |
ThickAsThieves: I'm only one timezone over and haven't slept yet. |
| 05:52 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00465587 = 0.3725 BTC [-] {6} |
| 05:53 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.48809999 = 1.9524 BTC [+] {2} |
| 05:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
time for bitbets on mark's freedom |
| 05:55 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo it must have subtitles neh ? |
| 05:55 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Subtitles would have blocked too much misery from my eyes. |
| 05:55 |
mircea_popescu |
this is true |
| 05:55 |
ThickAsThieves |
;;ticker |
| 05:55 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 597.0, Best ask: 599.58, Bid-ask spread: 2.58000, Last trade: 600.0, 24 hour volume: 22132.64616219, 24 hour low: 590.0, 24 hour high: 636.0, 24 hour vwap: 615.145591973 |
| 05:55 |
mircea_popescu |
you know visconti had amateurs shoot the whole thing ? |
| 05:55 |
mircea_popescu |
those people actually lived in those houses, |
| 05:56 |
mircea_popescu |
if not exactly under the medieval conditions described. |
| 05:56 |
ThickAsThieves |
omg how do i get cash into gox someone should arb that /s |
| 05:56 |
BingoBoingo |
Yeah. Between viewings one and two I did the paper reading. |
| 05:56 |
mircea_popescu |
but when the girl is barefoot on the dirt floor, that's her own dirt floor she's barefood on. |
| 05:56 |
BingoBoingo |
barefood sounds much sexier than that scene. |
| 05:57 |
mircea_popescu |
meanwhile check out gabridome https://twitter.com/Gabridome/status/436454038251769856 |
| 05:58 |
BingoBoingo |
Fuck, I dunno who that is. |
| 05:58 |
davout |
jurov: didn't he allow that earlier already? |
| 06:00 |
BingoBoingo |
davout: You still interested in that chess tournament? |
| 06:00 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/1641614/ |
| 06:00 |
mircea_popescu |
that's back in 2013. |
| 06:01 |
mircea_popescu |
epic ;;ticker results. |
| 06:01 |
BingoBoingo |
That is nearly when I made my first appearance. |
| 06:01 |
cazalla |
ThickAsThieves: you may! |
| 06:02 |
davout |
BingoBoingo: are you guys done with the first one ? |
| 06:02 |
ThickAsThieves |
hehe #mtgox is muted |
| 06:03 |
BingoBoingo |
davout: We were coming to an inevitable tiebreaker problem so we added Apocalyptic an six player could help reduce ties still further. |
| 06:03 |
BingoBoingo |
Caveat is the kicker I supposed for this months long tournament is expiring on the 28th, because obligations can not be kept open forever. |
| 06:03 |
davout |
BingoBoingo: ok, with pleasure! I can't play right now tho |
| 06:04 |
BingoBoingo |
davout: Neither can I. |
| 06:04 |
mircea_popescu |
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bf1PkUeCAAAVhe3.png |
| 06:04 |
mircea_popescu |
on the left vs the right, the effects of the deterioration of public schooling. |
| 06:04 |
mircea_popescu |
fucktards don't even know what words mean these days. |
| 06:04 |
jurov |
davout: previously only bourse shares were sold, not even trading them was possible. |
| 06:05 |
mircea_popescu |
accepting credit cards is a skill. exponential, logarithmic, this year alone or whatever else. it's all a soup. |
| 06:05 |
mircea_popescu |
fucking embarrassment these kids. |
| 06:05 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: We covered dictionaries in primary school that I remember. |
| 06:06 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm sure they covered "issues" in primary school. |
| 06:06 |
BingoBoingo |
Sure. We covered tornadoes, fire, and earthquakes in that order |
| 06:06 |
mircea_popescu |
"WhatsApp founder Jan Koum signs deal with FB at social services office where he used to get food stamps. " |
| 06:07 |
mircea_popescu |
can this be more doge ? |
| 06:07 |
BingoBoingo |
No, this is total Doge. |
| 06:07 |
mircea_popescu |
"Facebook is now buying out anything that 14 year olds might use for billions of dollars. Good thing they're using stock and not real money." |
| 06:07 |
BingoBoingo |
A great troll campaign would be Corgis against Doge. |
| 06:07 |
mircea_popescu |
at least i got some sane people in my feed. |
| 06:08 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Thing is only 3 billion in that acquisition was stock |
| 06:08 |
mircea_popescu |
i didn't actually dig into it. |
| 06:08 |
ThickAsThieves |
who is john galt? |
| 06:09 |
mircea_popescu |
fictional character. |
| 06:09 |
mircea_popescu |
hm, pussy riot is actually a punk band ?! |
| 06:09 |
mircea_popescu |
in what fucking sense ? i thought they were pop. |
| 06:09 |
BingoBoingo |
Always just been a punk band. |
| 06:09 |
BingoBoingo |
Russia is still catching up to the 70's |
| 06:10 |
ThickAsThieves |
and a harem of active-ists |
| 06:10 |
BingoBoingo |
Next thing you will tell me Russian discos are closing in favor of night clubs |
| 06:10 |
mircea_popescu |
how the fuck is it punk |
| 06:10 |
BingoBoingo |
And then they've reached the 80's |
| 06:11 |
davout |
BingoBoingo: wasn't it the opposite, only 3bn in cash? |
| 06:11 |
mircea_popescu |
meanwhile, |
| 06:11 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/weird-news/viking-apocalypse-end-of-the-world-predicted-to-happen-on-saturday-but-dont-cancel-your-weekend-plans-yet-9138092.html?origin=internalSearch |
| 06:11 |
ozbot |
Viking apocalypse: End of the world predicted to happen on Saturday (but don't cancel your weekend |
| 06:11 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's punk cuz they can only make music with their thumbs |
| 06:11 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Horses and beedles. |
| 06:11 |
BingoBoingo |
*needles |
| 06:12 |
mircea_popescu |
Virgin Mary, Mother of God, put Putin away Рut Putin away, put Putin away |
| 06:12 |
mircea_popescu |
Black robe, golden epaulettes All parishioners crawl to bow The phantom of liberty is in heaven Gay-pride sent to Siberia in chains |
| 06:12 |
mircea_popescu |
|
| 06:12 |
mircea_popescu |
The head of the KGB, their chief saint, Leads protesters to prison under escort In order not to offend His Holiness Women must give birth and love |
| 06:12 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo does this sound like punk to you ? |
| 06:12 |
BingoBoingo |
davout: I might have to read again, because vodka. Shame you can't play chess nao. |
| 06:12 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://imgur.com/5hdErlO |
| 06:12 |
ozbot |
imgur: the simple image sharer |
| 06:12 |
mircea_popescu |
Virgin Mary, Mother of God, become a feminist |
| 06:12 |
mircea_popescu |
Become a feminist, become a feminist |
| 06:12 |
mircea_popescu |
this is not punk lol. this is lib-pop. |
| 06:12 |
davout |
BingoBoingo: i'm pondering whether i should play myself or let my little brother play against you |
| 06:12 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Sounds more metal. |
| 06:13 |
mircea_popescu |
metal. women. what ? |
| 06:13 |
BingoBoingo |
davout: Honestly it is prolly more about timing |
| 06:13 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Nothing is more metal than a miscarriage stage show. |
| 06:13 |
davout |
BingoBoingo: no, my lil bro would probably beat me to a pulp |
| 06:13 |
davout |
BingoBoingo: what timezone are you in? |
| 06:13 |
davout |
US West? |
| 06:14 |
mircea_popescu |
get out, pussy is not metal. |
| 06:14 |
BingoBoingo |
davout: If we go on those criteria I could prolly hire a jew, but I am GMT -6 |
| 06:14 |
davout |
east i meant |
| 06:14 |
BingoBoingo |
Equivalent of US central |
| 06:15 |
BingoBoingo |
davout: I have to warn you though that I have lost to Namworld (though truffles beat Namworld) |
| 06:16 |
davout |
what do you use to keep track of the board's state ? |
| 06:16 |
BingoBoingo |
davout: Algrbraic notation. |
| 06:16 |
BingoBoingo |
Post moves in channel |
| 06:16 |
davout |
to keep track of, not to communicate |
| 06:16 |
davout |
as in, i don't have an actual board at hand to do this |
| 06:16 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh, I set up a board on the floor next to my desk |
| 06:17 |
davout |
haha |
| 06:17 |
davout |
ok |
| 06:17 |
BingoBoingo |
Other people use web tools |
| 06:17 |
davout |
we're getting there |
| 06:17 |
jurov |
davout: have you seen my question why b-c isn't listed anywhere? |
| 06:17 |
davout |
jurov: no |
| 06:18 |
davout |
where is it? |
| 06:18 |
mircea_popescu |
The $19 billion deal -- $12 billion in stock, $4 billion in cash and $3 billion in restricted shares |
| 06:18 |
jurov |
Ok :) so am asking now, why it't not on btccharts nor bitcoinity? |
| 06:18 |
mircea_popescu |
so there we go. |
| 06:18 |
davout |
jurov: because i haven't put in the time yet to re-enable their API |
| 06:19 |
davout |
i tried to push the job on pankkake |
| 06:20 |
jurov |
Well. And maintaining x.eur asks are pushed on whom? |
| 06:20 |
jurov |
Delisting imminent :D |
| 06:20 |
davout |
lolwut |
| 06:21 |
jurov |
Atm all asks are mine. |
| 06:21 |
mircea_popescu |
davout fb buying snapchat. |
| 06:21 |
mircea_popescu |
oops i mean webchat |
| 06:21 |
mircea_popescu |
uh. |
| 06:21 |
mircea_popescu |
something. |
| 06:21 |
davout |
jurov: lemme have a look |
| 06:22 |
BingoBoingo |
Eh, ATC should have stayed Openex only https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc is so dead |
| 06:22 |
BingoBoingo |
Nearly all orders are mine. |
| 06:22 |
jurov |
davout don't sweat it, i'm in teasing mood |
| 06:22 |
ThickAsThieves |
it never left |
| 06:22 |
ThickAsThieves |
trade both |
| 06:22 |
ThickAsThieves |
if you dare |
| 06:22 |
davout |
jurov: yo. i still want to know what's up |
| 06:22 |
mircea_popescu |
needs better advertising |
| 06:23 |
davout |
prolly outta BTC |
| 06:23 |
BingoBoingo |
ThickAsThieves: Maybe I am doing both. x-bt killed Openex volume and orders |
| 06:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
<Matt38> Hope we got something new on monday atleast. |
| 06:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
poor goxer |
| 06:24 |
davout |
jurov: oic, my bot's algo is not very evolved yet, and won't place orders if it results in executions |
| 06:24 |
davout |
jurov: i'll widen my spread |
| 06:25 |
davout |
i don't have time to work on it right now, but that's something i'll have to fix |
| 06:25 |
mircea_popescu |
davout that seems exactly countrary to marketmaking. |
| 06:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
marketcockteasing |
| 06:26 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: isn't that more arbitrage? |
| 06:26 |
mircea_popescu |
well no, marketmaker means exactly you blow out the book on a regular basis if it doesn't conform. |
| 06:26 |
davout |
the basic reason to this iirc is that executions that are immediate don't appear in stats |
| 06:26 |
mircea_popescu |
not placing orders thatd result in executions is exactly anti-mm behaviour |
| 06:27 |
mircea_popescu |
basically the book is ruling you. |
| 06:27 |
mircea_popescu |
you're supposed to rule the book |
| 06:28 |
davout |
not arguing that, i need some more work to work around the mpex api weirdnesses |
| 06:29 |
davout |
also, given the current market conditions i'm pretty ok with widening the spread anyway |
| 06:30 |
davout |
or i guess, instead of tracking order by order i can track aggregates |
| 06:30 |
davout |
ok imma lunch :-D |
| 06:32 |
mircea_popescu |
what weirdness is that!11 |
| 06:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
"Congress could remove federal funding from academic institutions that decide to boycott Israel." |
| 06:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
alrighty |
| 06:42 |
mircea_popescu |
"Facebook's purchase price values each Whatsapp user at $40. Whatsapp users pay zero dollars and are not shown ads." |
| 06:42 |
mircea_popescu |
ook. |
| 06:43 |
punkman1 |
they pay $0.99 per year, after the first year |
| 06:43 |
mircea_popescu |
i wonder how many actually are a year old. |
| 06:44 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Most whatsapp users I know are South Asian, so few I imagine |
| 06:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.06700633 = 1.1391 BTC [-] {5} |
| 06:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.46000002 = 0.92 BTC [-] {2} |
| 06:48 |
mircea_popescu |
from what i see here most of their userbase is eu. they got little azn if anything. |
| 06:49 |
BingoBoingo |
I thought a quarter of their userbase was split between India, Indonesia, and the Phillipines. |
| 06:49 |
BingoBoingo |
Also, lulz https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=471533.msg5231394#msg5231394 |
| 06:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54947 @ 0.00086128 = 47.3248 BTC [-] |
| 07:03 |
BingoBoingo |
So... Ukraine and Thailand are getting still worse. Will any camwhores live through next week? |
| 07:04 |
BingoBoingo |
Also I am very disappointed in Micon for letting himself drop far enough to address this. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=471610.0 |
| 07:07 |
ThickAsThieves |
"Chevron offers free pizza to make up for deadly fracking explosion" |
| 07:08 |
random_cat |
pizza include 10^8 year old anchovies |
| 07:08 |
ThickAsThieves |
in "oil" |
| 07:09 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh I finally found an episode of Bar Rescue with a Lie, because I am 'Murica's premier expert on Karaoke http://www.spike.com/episodes/bccp83/bar-rescue-karaoke-katastrophe-season-3-ep-308 |
| 07:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
latest version http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1579346/000119312514058712/d562329ds1a.htm |
| 07:14 |
BingoBoingo |
I'm just kinda shocked by how little Micon moves me nao. |
| 07:16 |
BingoBoingo |
Last year I was accepting of the March madness pool that was just me and him. |
| 07:17 |
BingoBoingo |
This year though going to Seals with Clubs and getting bot robbed and facing a ponzi, it is hard to back an accusation because Micon does to. |
| 07:19 |
ThickAsThieves |
was that ever a reason to? |
| 07:23 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo you got botproof ? |
| 07:23 |
BingoBoingo |
ThickAsThieves: Micon used to be quite the scam early warning system/ |
| 07:23 |
mircea_popescu |
or more like bothunch |
| 07:23 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: bothunch |
| 07:23 |
mircea_popescu |
bothunch and the naked bot lunch |
| 07:24 |
BingoBoingo |
The bothunch is supported by the wasteland that used to be rich cash games on seals. |
| 07:24 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: iirc the stat doesn't tell you about executions for orders that never hit the book |
| 07:24 |
BingoBoingo |
It has only been 9 months since I've been ther. |
| 07:24 |
mircea_popescu |
davout you know how the tracking thing works ? |
| 07:25 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: yeah you linked that previously to me |
| 07:25 |
Bugpowder |
Giddyup |
| 07:25 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.00083746 = 0.8375 BTC [+] {4} |
| 07:25 |
davout |
i just need to go from understanding how it works to implementing it |
| 07:25 |
Bugpowder |
Anyone selling goxbux??? I hear they are having a 75% off sale |
| 07:26 |
davout |
i didn't say it wasn't possible, i said it was handled in a way that qualifies as "a little weird" in my system |
| 07:26 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00043542 = 0.4354 BTC [+] {10} |
| 07:26 |
mircea_popescu |
davout i can see that yeah |
| 07:26 |
mircea_popescu |
jus' checking. |
| 07:26 |
mircea_popescu |
Bugpowder maybe lnovy ? |
| 07:26 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: so to sum it all up you get a track ID from the synchronous response message |
| 07:27 |
BingoBoingo |
Wait, is lnovy Dashe's IRC handle? |
| 07:27 |
davout |
so if it isn't in your next stat you conclude it executed |
| 07:27 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00019798 = 0.198 BTC [+] {2} |
| 07:27 |
BingoBoingo |
davout: That or niggers.config |
| 07:27 |
davout |
BingoBoingo: lolwut |
| 07:27 |
KRS-One |
haha |
| 07:27 |
mircea_popescu |
davout no. you get a track id in all executed orders. if it matches the hash of an order of yours then that hit the book and disappeared. if it doesn't then your order was on the book and got hit by someone else. |
| 07:27 |
KRS-One |
There have been times irl I wish I had that config file. |
| 07:28 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo whose ? |
| 07:28 |
BingoBoingo |
lno *-* WTF is that Dash? |
| 07:29 |
BingoBoingo |
Micon though lacks the trust I offered him a year ago. |
| 07:29 |
mircea_popescu |
i have no idea what you are sayin |
| 07:29 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Anil Dash. I'm trying to imagine his IRC nicks |
| 07:29 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: imma look into that |
| 07:30 |
davout |
BingoBoingo: you're drunk aren't you |
| 07:30 |
BingoBoingo |
davout: Credibly though. |
| 07:30 |
mircea_popescu |
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bg6smPtIYAAgYP8.png:large |
| 07:30 |
davout |
i can see drunk people. when i'm not high. |
| 07:31 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 07:31 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0055 = 0.33 BTC |
| 07:31 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00044503 = 0.2225 BTC [+] {6} |
| 07:31 |
BingoBoingo |
Fuck that map. Drunk chicago is a negative. Shit should be carried to Ohio and dumped in the shit river. |
| 07:32 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuZudZFmRgw&list=UUAAgMYqyzm_kT2tgI3HPE2A&feature=c4-overview Mark's cat is named Tibane, like the gox co |
| 07:32 |
ozbot |
Tibane's new house (first attempt) - YouTube |
| 07:32 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.0008518 = 0.8518 BTC [+] {4} |
| 07:32 |
Bugpowder |
http://www.datafox.co/blog/googles-buying-all-the-robots/ |
| 07:32 |
ozbot |
Google’s Buying All the Robots… | DataFox |
| 07:32 |
Bugpowder |
THat's a lot of acquisitions |
| 07:34 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00019981 = 0.3996 BTC [+] {6} |
| 07:34 |
mircea_popescu |
google has probably the world's best buyouts department. |
| 07:34 |
mircea_popescu |
like, historically. |
| 07:34 |
BingoBoingo |
Prolly |
| 07:35 |
BingoBoingo |
Not mere historically though. |
| 07:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
they are building ed-209 i guess |
| 07:35 |
BingoBoingo |
Like. DOD regulations are the only pseudo obstacle kind of success. |
| 07:36 |
Bugpowder |
This is all it took for MtGox to fold. http://www.mtgoxprotest.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/P1030097.jpg |
| 07:36 |
davout |
omfg, karpeles makes an apple pie on a porn movie sound track |
| 07:36 |
davout |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ3g6IwrZZg&list=UUAAgMYqyzm_kT2tgI3HPE2A |
| 07:36 |
Bugpowder |
Compare to Kiev |
| 07:36 |
KRS-One |
haha never saw that one |
| 07:36 |
Bugpowder |
Mark's sword was less powerful than expected |
| 07:36 |
davout |
the music |
| 07:36 |
mircea_popescu |
Bugpowder you got your timeline mixed up there. |
| 07:36 |
KRS-One |
is he czech? |
| 07:37 |
mircea_popescu |
why do people keep doing this re mtgox, event x at t, event y at t+k, o look, y is all it took for x. |
| 07:37 |
KRS-One |
french |
| 07:38 |
Bugpowder |
That was a happier time for Tux... The pie had not been eaten |
| 07:38 |
davout |
i kinda feel sorry for him |
| 07:39 |
mircea_popescu |
sure, fat stupid guy caught in a position that wasn';t for him. it's understandable. |
| 07:39 |
KRS-One |
for being one of those nerdy fat kids who wears black all the time, thinks he is a genius and believes he is better than everyone else? |
| 07:39 |
mircea_popescu |
we had this mildly retarded chick in highschool, her parents kept pushing her to "achieve". |
| 07:39 |
Bugpowder |
It does seem that he knows how to bake a nice pie |
| 07:39 |
mircea_popescu |
she spent about 16 hours doing homework each day. |
| 07:40 |
davout |
Bugpowder: he's french how would he not |
| 07:40 |
mircea_popescu |
eventually ended up an assitant uni teacher. generations of freshmen mocked her bitterly. |
| 07:40 |
KRS-One |
a misguided soul |
| 07:40 |
mircea_popescu |
never got married, never progressed past assistant position, just... |
| 07:40 |
mircea_popescu |
just suffered, basically. |
| 07:40 |
mircea_popescu |
sad fate. |
| 07:40 |
BingoBoingo |
I had fun fucking mildly retarded (in my estimation) girl who was the a star forward on the HS soccer team. |
| 07:40 |
davout |
sad |
| 07:41 |
KRS-One |
BingoBoingo: retard fucker |
| 07:41 |
mircea_popescu |
coulda been a grocery clerk or a florist or a shoe store saleswoman and been just fine. |
| 07:41 |
mircea_popescu |
but no, "gotta achieve". |
| 07:41 |
BingoBoingo |
She could suck a dick great |
| 07:41 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't think anyone ever offered. |
| 07:41 |
KRS-One |
BingoBoingo: oh..well then. |
| 07:41 |
BingoBoingo |
KRS-One: Prolly just stupid |
| 07:41 |
BingoBoingo |
Could suck a great dick though |
| 07:41 |
mircea_popescu |
but one time she was walking backwards and ran into a pole |
| 07:41 |
mircea_popescu |
so she turned around and apologized |
| 07:42 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: florist sounds good! |
| 07:42 |
KRS-One |
BingoBoingo: that matters more. |
| 07:42 |
mircea_popescu |
which was the lol for a month. |
| 07:42 |
KRS-One |
omg mircea_popescu LOL |
| 07:42 |
mircea_popescu |
i think your average guy would rather have been caught in bed with a small boy than with her. |
| 07:42 |
KRS-One |
hahahhaa omg you got me laughing |
| 07:43 |
KRS-One |
i need.. |
| 07:43 |
KRS-One |
.bait |
| 07:43 |
mircea_popescu |
KRS-One stop laughing at tards, have you no conscience ? |
| 07:43 |
ozbot |
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9w8cjXFkk1qzn3jqo1_1280.jpg |
| 07:43 |
KRS-One |
nope |
| 07:43 |
mircea_popescu |
a well. |
| 07:43 |
KRS-One |
nah i do have a conscience..its just okay to laugh at life. |
| 07:45 |
mircea_popescu |
"Google may have missed skipped social, but theyre bringing together a lot of highly talented teams that are working on:" |
| 07:45 |
mircea_popescu |
strategically sound decision. |
| 07:45 |
mircea_popescu |
social is worth just about squat. |
| 07:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
except they didnt skip social at all |
| 07:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
they just failed quickly |
| 07:46 |
BingoBoingo |
I still can't believe how disappointing a wee bit of education made Micon |
| 07:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
which is just as well |
| 07:46 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves failed quickly, moved on, w/e. |
| 07:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
at least they didnt buy twitter or whatever |
| 07:47 |
BingoBoingo |
ThickAsThieves: I dare you to browse Seals ring games |
| 07:47 |
BingoBoingo |
So dead. |
| 07:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
all energy emitted from Seals and its people has indicated for me to stay away since first contact |
| 07:48 |
mircea_popescu |
that bad eh ? |
| 07:48 |
BingoBoingo |
They (Micon) rightly called BFL out as a scam |
| 07:48 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Deader than you imagine |
| 07:48 |
mircea_popescu |
is poker dead generally or they just stoopid ? |
| 07:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
any property worth scooping up in the ashes? |
| 07:49 |
BingoBoingo |
Poker is definitely injured |
| 07:50 |
BingoBoingo |
The thing I lost to last night could not have been a human player though. |
| 07:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
"Google reportedly offered $10 billion for WhatsApp" |
| 07:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
bahwell |
| 07:50 |
mircea_popescu |
reportedly by whom ? |
| 07:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
Furtune |
| 07:50 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: By liver sense |
| 07:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2014/02/20/google-whatsapp-10-billion/ |
| 07:50 |
ozbot |
Google offered to buy WhatsApp for $10 billion - Fortune Tech |
| 07:51 |
BingoBoingo |
11 Months ago I was the only person willing to bet 1 BTC agaisnt Micon on NCAA tournament brackets |
| 07:51 |
BingoBoingo |
That was a stupid decision/ |
| 07:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
"Two separate sources have told me that's how much Google (GOOG) offered to purchase WhatsApp. The bid did not come with promise of a board seat, unlike the Facebook agreement." |
| 07:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
his mom and his cat |
| 07:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
her* |
| 07:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
"Jessi Hempel is a New York-based technology writer for Fortune. She has written extensively about digital media, online advertising and social networking. " |
| 07:52 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves right, two sources have told nobody in particular that things diversely may have been etc. |
| 07:53 |
BingoBoingo |
Maybe this is crazy, but a Google board seat is worth more than Facebook board seats |
| 07:53 |
Bugpowder |
This guy seems to have a better idea for what is going on with WhatsApp. http://ben-evans.com/benedictevans/2014/1/30/interaction-canvases-and-ecosystems |
| 07:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
as in it's more costly for Google to have one more idiot in the ranks than not |
| 07:54 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 07:54 |
mircea_popescu |
hey guise, have you heard about jpm rebranding ? |
| 07:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
only that you mentioned it |
| 07:55 |
mircea_popescu |
they're gonna be PopCorn |
| 07:55 |
mircea_popescu |
"just turn the heat on and they jump" |
| 07:55 |
ThickAsThieves |
"An airy delight!" |
| 07:55 |
mircea_popescu |
"I can't believe it's not CDOs" |
| 07:55 |
nicknode |
lol |
| 07:56 |
ThickAsThieves |
"Buttered up and consumed!" |
| 07:56 |
mircea_popescu |
"Once you swap, you can't stop" |
| 07:56 |
BingoBoingo |
JPM has exactly one way to rebrand http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/23/a-wow-comment-analysis-fest/#fn4-586 |
| 07:56 |
ThickAsThieves |
"See if you catch one in the mouth!" |
| 07:56 |
nicknode |
any news out of asicminer? |
| 07:56 |
mircea_popescu |
da fuck is fn4-586 |
| 07:57 |
mircea_popescu |
nicknode yeah they were bought out by facebook |
| 07:57 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: A footnote. |
| 07:57 |
mircea_popescu |
19bn. |
| 07:57 |
mircea_popescu |
a cool. |
| 07:57 |
nicknode |
nice, well then this was a good morning then lol |
| 07:57 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: The footnote I point at fiat olds and BTC newbs |
| 07:58 |
mircea_popescu |
aha |
| 08:00 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Even Pirates had their black flags which were the sign they were willing to offer quarter. |
| 08:00 |
BingoBoingo |
I have no use for the red flag and denial of quarter from reality. |
| 08:02 |
mircea_popescu |
fun fact : a roger was shakespeare era term for beggars with pretense of learning. |
| 08:02 |
mircea_popescu |
sort-of like forumites, basically. |
| 08:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
wife: "Facebook bought WhatsApp for $19b? Suckers, they could've downloaded it for free." |
| 08:03 |
BingoBoingo |
A true Ver. There is a population in the US that has an 18 to 36 month window to hedge their existence. |
| 08:08 |
davout |
ThickAsThieves: lol |
| 08:08 |
BingoBoingo |
Also, "Roger" was a shakespeare era term necessitated by the mere decades of seamanship the english would have to pass the dutch by at that time. |
| 08:08 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves maybe they planned to use it for more than a year. |
| 08:09 |
BingoBoingo |
ThickAsThieves: Facebook wanted the people who couldn't afford facebook |
| 08:10 |
ThickAsThieves |
prediction: facebook starts buying dating sites |
| 08:12 |
mircea_popescu |
nah |
| 08:12 |
ThickAsThieves |
ancestry.com then? |
| 08:12 |
BingoBoingo |
I though t facebooks revenues came from people not getting laid |
| 08:12 |
mircea_popescu |
wasn't matt's gf all ranty against dating sites ? |
| 08:12 |
ThickAsThieves |
why these make too much sense? |
| 08:12 |
mircea_popescu |
"o snapchat allows teens to fuck all day long i don't care" ? |
| 08:12 |
nicknode |
not that much value in not getting laid |
| 08:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
who's matt anyway? |
| 08:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
mark? |
| 08:13 |
mircea_popescu |
nicknode in general the average male would prefer to not get laid and be bossed around than to get laid and have to boss the women around. |
| 08:13 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves whoever hoodie-whats-his-face. zuckerberg |
| 08:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
word |
| 08:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
bigtime silicon valley ceo's have very small wardrobes |
| 08:14 |
davout |
ThickAsThieves: yay, i can be a big time silicon valley ceo |
| 08:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
you may choose black turtleneck, tshirt, hoodie, sneakers or 3-piece suit less tie and top button |
| 08:15 |
mircea_popescu |
no because nigeria |
| 08:15 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: lol fuck you |
| 08:15 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves if i were the [ex] yahoo ceo i'd show up for work in a black and white apron |
| 08:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
cuz ur colorblind? |
| 08:15 |
BingoBoingo |
I am still wrapping my head around Seals was full last year, but it was still just me versus Micon in March Madness |
| 08:15 |
davout |
no cause his place is dirty |
| 08:16 |
mircea_popescu |
CAUSE I WOULD BE A WOMAN |
| 08:16 |
ThickAsThieves |
you mean that blonde chick? |
| 08:16 |
ThickAsThieves |
she got fired? |
| 08:16 |
mircea_popescu |
well im covering my bets. |
| 08:16 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe she was meanwhile who;s to know |
| 08:16 |
ThickAsThieves |
the world conspires with you |
| 08:17 |
BingoBoingo |
ThickAsThieves: Hitting mircea for his general ly compromised sight would be like criticizing me for my hearing. |
| 08:17 |
mircea_popescu |
someone should make a line of business go-go suits and shear body stockings for women in the boardroom |
| 08:17 |
ThickAsThieves |
i dunno, being colorblind cant be that bad |
| 08:18 |
BingoBoingo |
I dunno how it can't be. I mean in the pussy you get to see the actual pink. |
| 08:18 |
ThickAsThieves |
i have constant tinnitus and i'm ok |
| 08:18 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo dude, my sight is fine. i can shoot sparrows half mile away. it's just i don't see most useless colors. |
| 08:19 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: You let the color blind thing out a while ago but the half inch text very recently. We needed to force the answer. |
| 08:19 |
mircea_popescu |
the text thing is for confort tho. |
| 08:20 |
ThickAsThieves |
i assume half-inch is an exaggeration |
| 08:20 |
davout |
that's what she said |
| 08:20 |
* |
ThickAsThieves waits for a "that's what she said"... |
| 08:20 |
ThickAsThieves |
dangit! |
| 08:20 |
davout |
lmao |
| 08:20 |
mircea_popescu |
i can read most stuff people need loupes for with my naked eyes, but that doesn't mean i want to |
| 08:20 |
mircea_popescu |
on any sort of continued basis |
| 08:21 |
BingoBoingo |
Understandable mircea_popescu. I can barely stand test less dense than 8 pts offers on a screen (unless it is a spectaculary fail screen). |
| 08:23 |
MisterE |
when are we gonna test 500 already?!?! |
| 08:23 |
MisterE |
been waiting for days |
| 08:23 |
BingoBoingo |
MisterE: August? |
| 08:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
i'll tell you for 5btc |
| 08:23 |
MisterE |
this stability pisses me off |
| 08:23 |
mircea_popescu |
why ?! |
| 08:24 |
MisterE |
lol I like the swings |
| 08:24 |
ThickAsThieves |
cuz gemz |
| 08:24 |
BingoBoingo |
MisterE: I can sell you instability for the right price. |
| 08:24 |
MisterE |
like craps I guess you try to catch the streaks |
| 08:24 |
MisterE |
play a conservative game |
| 08:24 |
MisterE |
only pass/ don;t pass bets |
| 08:24 |
BingoBoingo |
MisterE: Conservative Game? Are you Rumsfeld in Fallujah? |
| 08:25 |
MisterE |
the place the taliban just took back? |
| 08:25 |
MisterE |
well not just |
| 08:25 |
BingoBoingo |
MisterE: Wrong brown people. |
| 08:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
MisterE, $500 will be tested in approx 7 days |
| 08:26 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh, I though this was MPEX 0.1 lots |
| 08:27 |
BingoBoingo |
$500/BTC has been whipped for quite a while |
| 08:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
whipped? |
| 08:27 |
nicknode |
ThickAsThieves: what is the relationship between you and havelock? i was under the impression you were more or less the same entity, but apparently not? trying to understand the TaT,havelock,asicminer thinigie posted about in the last day |
| 08:27 |
MisterE |
naah 500 is only a NY regulator's announcement away |
| 08:27 |
BingoBoingo |
ThickAsThieves: Yeah, like an antiquated piece of farm equiptment that can't even imagine challenging a tractor. |
| 08:27 |
MisterE |
wtf is up with Cox anywyas? |
| 08:28 |
MisterE |
Iwas away for a couple days |
| 08:28 |
BingoBoingo |
nicknode: ThickAsThieves is someone Havelock was fucking. |
| 08:28 |
BingoBoingo |
Nao ThickAsThieves has a spine |
| 08:28 |
BingoBoingo |
And he dun like to get fucked |
| 08:29 |
ThickAsThieves |
lol |
| 08:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19612 @ 0.00086128 = 16.8914 BTC [-] |
| 08:29 |
ThickAsThieves |
that doesnt even work in the abstract |
| 08:29 |
BingoBoingo |
ThickAsThieves: Some things work better in the real than the abstract. |
| 08:29 |
ThickAsThieves |
nicknode, why would you think we're all the same thing? |
| 08:30 |
mircea_popescu |
<nicknode> ThickAsThieves: what is the relationship between you and havelock? i was under the impression you were more or less the same entity, but apparently not? <<< see ? this is what you did. now pay for it. |
| 08:30 |
nicknode |
tarded lack of research, first impressions blah blag |
| 08:30 |
ThickAsThieves |
so research |
| 08:30 |
nicknode |
anyway, i kind of thought you were the guy operating havelock. apparently not. but what does the latest news mean? |
| 08:30 |
ThickAsThieves |
there's the plain above you, there's the parachute below you |
| 08:31 |
BingoBoingo |
ThickAsThieves: Be afraid. This is moar research than most of your PT investors do. |
| 08:31 |
ThickAsThieves |
plane* |
| 08:31 |
ThickAsThieves |
derp |
| 08:31 |
KRS-One |
nicknode: you thought TaT was Havelock? wow |
| 08:31 |
ThickAsThieves |
that's a first |
| 08:31 |
mircea_popescu |
not afaik, no. |
| 08:31 |
nicknode |
well yeah. anyway, care to enlighten me as to the latest developments? |
| 08:31 |
ThickAsThieves |
still not as bad as emails i get asking me how to buy AM100 |
| 08:32 |
ThickAsThieves |
what more is needed to know than what was announced? |
| 08:32 |
mircea_popescu |
"First they came for the lawyers, and I didn't say anything because I am not a lawyer. Now everything is awesome." |
| 08:32 |
nicknode |
well since my confusion runs pretty thick with regards to the involved entities, i dont get what it means |
| 08:33 |
ThickAsThieves |
man you need to articulate |
| 08:33 |
ThickAsThieves |
i know you can do it |
| 08:33 |
nicknode |
you make a great impression |
| 08:34 |
ThickAsThieves |
it means Havelock is running the listed things I will used to have run |
| 08:34 |
nicknode |
ahh, confusion clearing slightly |
| 08:34 |
BingoBoingo |
Remember when Havelock ran only an S.DICE passthrough |
| 08:34 |
ThickAsThieves |
did you read all the words in the announcement? |
| 08:35 |
BingoBoingo |
Those days were the best lols |
| 08:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
mp, what's that lawyer quote from/for? |
| 08:36 |
BingoBoingo |
ThickAsThieves: Oh, it is just standard hebe talk |
| 08:36 |
nicknode |
it makes more sense now that I'm disabused for some preconceived notions yes. thank you :) |
| 08:36 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves some twitter guy. you care who ? |
| 08:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
i found it, i just cant suss the context |
| 08:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
or meaning... |
| 08:37 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo yeah, i remember. those were the days when investors didn't lose btc weekly. |
| 08:37 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Well it was that shot period between GLBSE's death and the emergence of the lessers. |
| 08:38 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves you know the "first they came for the tits, but i said nothing because i wasn't a tit, then they came for the cunt, but i said nothing for i wasn;'t a cunt, now i got nowhere to jack off" thing ? |
| 08:38 |
ThickAsThieves |
nope |
| 08:38 |
mircea_popescu |
jesus. |
| 08:38 |
BingoBoingo |
I remember the days when havelock was just TAT on steroids |
| 08:38 |
mircea_popescu |
what sort of a jew are you. |
| 08:38 |
ThickAsThieves |
dont call me that it's embarassing |
| 08:39 |
ThickAsThieves |
a catholic one |
| 08:39 |
mircea_popescu |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_... |
| 08:39 |
ozbot |
First they came ... - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
| 08:39 |
BingoBoingo |
Sweet, funnel cloud!!! How long will I have internet!!! |
| 08:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
i wish i was raised jewish, christ |
| 08:40 |
mircea_popescu |
sooo.... facebook being cut to ew and neutral across the board. |
| 08:40 |
BingoBoingo |
I love tornado weather |
| 08:41 |
MisterE |
where do I get the btc-e api key and secret? |
| 08:41 |
random_cat |
it's better served cold, bingoboingo |
| 08:41 |
MisterE |
oic profile |
| 08:41 |
ThickAsThieves |
shoulda bought okcupid |
| 08:42 |
ThickAsThieves |
hey i like this first they came thing and now i get it, thx |
| 08:43 |
BingoBoingo |
random_cat: Fuku, Imma be wearing this welt for a week nao. |
| 08:44 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves i'm shocked you never heard it before. it's really a meme. |
| 08:44 |
BingoBoingo |
Like a really old meme |
| 08:45 |
BingoBoingo |
Like I am trying to figure out if this is merely impact swelling or floating detached bone |
| 08:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
imagine what else i don't know |
| 08:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
:) |
| 08:47 |
BingoBoingo |
For serious so many ice bitches on my lawn. |
| 08:48 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-price-hits-135-mt-gox-office-move-verification-demand/ |
| 08:48 |
ThickAsThieves |
must be verified to wd coins too now |
| 08:48 |
nicknode |
wow |
| 08:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
oh today is the lawsky AMA |
| 08:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
the fun shall continue |
| 08:50 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.07101394 = 4.2608 BTC [+] {11} |
| 08:50 |
BingoBoingo |
ThickAsThieves: When, doesn't look like I'm sleeping |
| 08:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
3.5hrs |
| 08:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
time for nap if you try |
| 08:51 |
Glotarolt |
hello guys |
| 08:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
hi |
| 08:52 |
Glotarolt |
who want to sell LTC? |
| 08:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
wrong chan |
| 08:52 |
Glotarolt |
is this right chanel? |
| 08:52 |
BingoBoingo |
Glotarolt: I will sell you 5 LTC at 3 BTC per LTC |
| 08:52 |
Glotarolt |
[14:51] <usaoscoin> it unfolded on #bitcoin-assets |
| 08:52 |
Glotarolt |
this guy give me this chanel to ask |
| 08:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
dunno what to tell ya |
| 08:53 |
Glotarolt |
i need big amount like 2-3k LTC |
| 08:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
yknow they have exchanges for hat |
| 08:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
that* |
| 08:53 |
Glotarolt |
NAhhh |
| 08:53 |
Glotarolt |
i just have much problem |
| 08:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
too hard to scam that wau? |
| 08:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
way* |
| 08:53 |
Glotarolt |
and i have now my btc |
| 08:53 |
Glotarolt |
long story |
| 08:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
i bet |
| 08:53 |
Glotarolt |
i want to kill someone |
| 08:53 |
Glotarolt |
|
| 08:53 |
CheckDavid |
Ba hahahahahaa |
| 08:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
kill urself? |
| 08:54 |
random_cat |
gravity works |
| 08:54 |
Glotarolt |
think kill myself? |
| 08:54 |
Glotarolt |
NO |
| 08:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
oh my mistake |
| 08:54 |
CheckDavid |
Glotarolt: I will kill ThickAsThieves for 2 coins. |
| 08:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
i figured you were the most convenient victim |
| 08:54 |
Glotarolt |
want to kill some Admin |
| 08:54 |
CheckDavid |
I'm a professional hitman |
| 08:54 |
Glotarolt |
Hahahaha |
| 08:55 |
CheckDavid |
World class assassination services |
| 08:55 |
Glotarolt |
i just cross here to ask for bloody LTC |
| 08:55 |
Glotarolt |
:) |
| 08:55 |
ThickAsThieves |
try #altcoin |
| 08:55 |
Glotarolt |
think? |
| 08:55 |
BingoBoingo |
Glotarolt: If you keep talking like this you might discover just how finite your existence is. |
| 08:55 |
random_cat |
i am a professional BOFH |
| 08:55 |
CheckDavid |
Easier to scam Ltc than BTC? |
| 08:56 |
Glotarolt |
? |
| 08:56 |
ThickAsThieves |
will you pay a 10% premium on market price for the LTCs? |
| 08:56 |
davout |
Glotarolt why don't you start your own exchange |
| 08:56 |
Glotarolt |
i start soon |
| 08:56 |
assbot |
Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1642144/plain/) |
| 08:56 |
davout |
!b 2 |
| 08:56 |
Glotarolt |
wait to Gox crash |
| 08:56 |
Glotarolt |
:) |
| 08:58 |
Mallstromm |
https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FwnuQWZg.jpg&t=537&c=7viZmSe90xbWQQ |
| 08:58 |
davout |
Mallstromm: is that a police complaint? |
| 08:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00213003 = 0.9585 BTC [-] |
| 08:59 |
Mallstromm |
that's Warsaw's anticorruption division investigating MtGox Poland |
| 08:59 |
Mallstromm |
:D |
| 09:00 |
davout |
Mallstromm: i think mtgox's polish bank has more to lose in such an investigation than mtgox itself |
| 09:00 |
davout |
because they'll be found to have covered it all up |
| 09:00 |
Mallstromm |
davout: that would (partially) explain the absurd 100k x day limit on outgoing transactions? |
| 09:01 |
davout |
Mallstromm: i think that the limit is bullshit |
| 09:01 |
Mallstromm |
I agree. There's no way you have such limits. |
| 09:01 |
davout |
our bank already did bigger wires than that, for *one* wire |
| 09:02 |
davout |
you know, not for all the days wire |
| 09:02 |
Mallstromm |
And if you have them, you just increase those limits depending on your volume |
| 09:02 |
BingoBoingo |
davout: Is there a good way to get fucktons of USD into yout exchange? |
| 09:02 |
Mallstromm |
davout: I know and I agree. If you have the money, you can move it. That's how it works and how banks make their money. |
| 09:02 |
davout |
BingoBoingo: first question is "can you register?" |
| 09:02 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 25 @ 0.16230094 = 4.0575 BTC [-] |
| 09:02 |
davout |
BingoBoingo: you're murrican right |
| 09:02 |
davout |
if so then you can't |
| 09:03 |
BingoBoingo |
davout: I dunno. |
| 09:03 |
Glotarolt |
He is IDIOT |
| 09:03 |
davout |
Mallstromm: exactly, they charge you, that's all |
| 09:03 |
Mallstromm |
yeah, being 'murrican kinda sucks. Such freedom, such wealth, such ass-rape :D |
| 09:03 |
davout |
wow |
| 09:04 |
Mallstromm |
Such NSA. Such guantanamo. Such ban on 'murricans on all BTC exchanges :D |
| 09:04 |
Mallstromm |
its really the land of the free |
| 09:04 |
davout |
Mallstromm: no, only a couple actually |
| 09:05 |
BingoBoingo |
davout: With lead time if necessary I can be dutch. |
| 09:05 |
Mallstromm |
davout: anyone willing to run a SERIOUS exchange will probably have to ban most american customers unless they can get MSB license in ALL States. That's kinda unpractical |
| 09:05 |
davout |
BingoBoingo: LOL |
| 09:06 |
davout |
Mallstromm: that makes no sense, the concept of a MSB exists only in the US, for the purpose of doing business with americans |
| 09:06 |
BingoBoingo |
davout: It's true though from my understanding of EU law and ancestery. |
| 09:06 |
davout |
BingoBoingo: even i couldn't get dual dutch citizenship |
| 09:06 |
random_cat |
south carolina does not require a msb |
| 09:06 |
davout |
and i'm fucking born there :) |
| 09:07 |
Mallstromm |
davout: there's need to be a dual-citizenship treaty for that and not many countries have such treaties |
| 09:07 |
Mallstromm |
davout: the fact is that if you ban 'murricans you avoid a lot of hassle |
| 09:07 |
equex |
usa demands you give up one |
| 09:07 |
davout |
Mallstromm: france and the netherlands had this retarded kid |
| 09:07 |
davout |
and called it belgium |
| 09:07 |
equex |
the us one |
| 09:07 |
BingoBoingo |
davout: I guess either I won the grandpa lottery or the civil service there is too fucked to follow the law. |
| 09:08 |
Mallstromm |
davoutMallstromm: france and the netherlands had this retarded kid -> THAT MADE ME LOL :D |
| 09:09 |
BingoBoingo |
davout: All the better. My ancestors are Flemish |
| 09:11 |
Bugpowder |
Mallstromm: Why is an MSB license impractical. You are thinking that MtGox level dipshites are going to be running the serious exchanges from now on? Major VC money is moving into the space, and US people will have liquidity access within their brokerage account by EOY. |
| 09:11 |
davout |
Bugpowder: what exactly do you call major VC money? |
| 09:11 |
davout |
coinbase's 25m? |
| 09:11 |
ThickAsThieves |
;;ticker --market mtgox |
| 09:11 |
Mallstromm |
I don't see major VC money |
| 09:11 |
Mallstromm |
I see peanuts |
| 09:11 |
Bugpowder |
that's just a start |
| 09:11 |
Mallstromm |
a few VC's gambling with play money |
| 09:11 |
Mallstromm |
that's all |
| 09:11 |
kakobrekla |
>15:35 A new protester has joined and is not happy. |
| 09:11 |
kakobrekla |
omg this is hilarious |
| 09:12 |
Bugpowder |
just keep thinking like the 2012-2013 paradigm will persist this year and next... |
| 09:12 |
davout |
Bugpowder: what's the 2012-2013 paradigm? |
| 09:12 |
ThickAsThieves |
that bitcoin is a nerdfadponziscam |
| 09:12 |
Bugpowder |
Shitty companies, shitty liquidity and nobody paying attention. |
| 09:13 |
BingoBoingo |
VC's gambling sounds right. |
| 09:13 |
Bugpowder |
That's what VCs do |
| 09:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
bug, what's your outlook for next ATH? |
| 09:13 |
Bugpowder |
$4000 |
| 09:13 |
Bugpowder |
next to |
| 09:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
timewise |
| 09:14 |
Bugpowder |
top |
| 09:14 |
Bugpowder |
EOY |
| 09:14 |
Bugpowder |
but that's just based on growth curves |
| 09:14 |
BingoBoingo |
If Goldman or JP Morgan wants to get in this sector I am their hebe. |
| 09:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
i had $3400 in July |
| 09:14 |
Bugpowder |
could be that soon |
| 09:14 |
davout |
i think end 2014 be like end 2014, beginning of the next bubble |
| 09:14 |
davout |
end 2012 |
| 09:14 |
davout |
dammit |
| 09:15 |
davout |
bottom this spring |
| 09:15 |
BingoBoingo |
end of 2012 was a low. |
| 09:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
well if all the traders with money agree, it will be so! |
| 09:15 |
Bugpowder |
We have seen the same pattern 3-4 times now |
| 09:15 |
davout |
yeah, which means it started going back up from there :-) |
| 09:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
i think bottom is this month actually |
| 09:15 |
davout |
ThickAsThieves: |
| 09:15 |
davout |
no |
| 09:15 |
davout |
dun think so |
| 09:15 |
AndrewWhatsUpppp |
expecting 111 |
| 09:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
no, davout? |
| 09:15 |
Bugpowder |
we are going to need mainstream buy-in to support the next price level. |
| 09:16 |
davout |
ThickAsThieves: i remember when we hit $2 after seeing $32 |
| 09:16 |
Bugpowder |
people like hblodget need to get their head out of their ass and buy some coins. |
| 09:16 |
Bugpowder |
davout: That's when I entered. Wired the money the day it hit $2. |
| 09:16 |
gribble |
MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 134.4, Best ask: 134.49, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 134.49, 24 hour volume: 75018.53888080, 24 hour low: 132.13, 24 hour high: 276.24152, 24 hour vwap: 189.9134 |
| 09:16 |
Bugpowder |
I wonder what the price will be when Krugman capitulates. |
| 09:17 |
BingoBoingo |
I regret not buying at those 2 dollars. |
| 09:17 |
ThickAsThieves |
latest gribble response ever? |
| 09:17 |
davout |
glorious days |
| 09:18 |
Bugpowder |
I'll define major VC money to == enough money so that becoming an MSB in all 50 states is no big deal for multiple competing liquidity providers. |
| 09:18 |
ThickAsThieves |
i still think we have til ides of March at best to buy at bottom, got chart that sensibly disagrees? |
| 09:20 |
KRS-One |
Ahh the ides of March. That is when we move. |
| 09:22 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.47799999 = 2.39 BTC [+] {3} |
| 09:27 |
mircea_popescu |
Mallstromm sooo... who are you ? |
| 09:30 |
Mallstromm |
mircea_popescu: an ex-securitate agent now looking into illicit business |
| 09:31 |
BingoBoingo |
Mallstromm: You ever have a clearance? |
| 09:31 |
mircea_popescu |
how clever. |
| 09:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00086282 = 22.347 BTC [+] {2} |
| 09:31 |
Mallstromm |
:D |
| 09:32 |
mircea_popescu |
so typical twennysomething boi with too much too prove ? |
| 09:32 |
BingoBoingo |
Mallstromm: Are you elligible for the TS/SCI job fairs? |
| 09:32 |
Mallstromm |
mircea_popescu: unfortunately not so young |
| 09:32 |
mircea_popescu |
well time cures all. |
| 09:33 |
Mallstromm |
BingoBoingo: of course, my background is perfect to grant me a position in any three letter agency |
| 09:34 |
BingoBoingo |
Mallstromm: Congrats. I passed that chance up and my brain grew into a need for lamotrigine. |
| 09:34 |
Mallstromm |
now just cooperating with SELEC (http://www.secicenter.org/) |
| 09:35 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao why's the casa poporului there |
| 09:35 |
BingoBoingo |
lol |
| 09:36 |
mircea_popescu |
"BRUSSELS, January 21st, 2014", here's a picture of some building from romania. |
| 09:36 |
Mallstromm |
:D |
| 09:36 |
Mallstromm |
SELEC is run by the FBI (no joke). You know how amateurish these 'murricans guys are |
| 09:37 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.secicenter.org/m271/Careers cute. |
| 09:37 |
ozbot |
SELEC Web Site |
| 09:39 |
Mallstromm |
well, you get paid in USD. :) |
| 09:40 |
BingoBoingo |
Mallstromm: Who does? |
| 09:40 |
Mallstromm |
Selec workers |
| 09:41 |
mircea_popescu |
o this is the seci thing |
| 09:41 |
mircea_popescu |
jesus what's with the constant rebranding. |
| 09:42 |
Mallstromm |
yes, its the SECI thing |
| 09:43 |
Mallstromm |
SECI is the old naming, SELEC is the new one |
| 09:43 |
mircea_popescu |
did it step in some paintcan or something ? |
| 09:43 |
Mallstromm |
still the official proxy of US three-letter-agencies in Eastern Europe |
| 09:44 |
mircea_popescu |
well cool. |
| 09:44 |
Mallstromm |
well, now we can stop joking :) sorry to interrupt you guys... But you was the one asking, Mircea |
| 09:45 |
mircea_popescu |
so wait, you aren't an ex securitate agent with a job in teh ex seci now secl? |
| 09:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 182 @ 0.00085499 = 0.1556 BTC [+] |
| 09:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
cointerra delivers http://imgur.com/a/4W2ik |
| 09:49 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50999996 BTC [+] |
| 09:49 |
Mallstromm |
empty boxes? |
| 09:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
mtgoxes |
| 09:50 |
mircea_popescu |
hahaha |
| 09:50 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.07299999 = 1.241 BTC [+] {2} |
| 09:51 |
mircea_popescu |
haven't i seen those three fan things before ? |
| 09:51 |
mircea_popescu |
Created 15 hours ago 5 views << wow. |
| 09:52 |
mircea_popescu |
nobody cares, srsly ? |
| 09:52 |
BingoBoingo |
Shit |
| 09:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
i only found it incidentally |
| 09:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
Korbman posted it |
| 09:53 |
BingoBoingo |
;;tslb |
| 09:53 |
gribble |
Time since last block: 20 minutes and 45 seconds |
| 09:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
;;estimate |
| 09:54 |
gribble |
Next difficulty estimate | 3786669022.0 based on data since last change | 3995924804.52 based on data for last three days |
| 09:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
;;bcstats |
| 09:54 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 286894 | Current Difficulty: 3.1295731745222874E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 288287 | Next Difficulty In: 1393 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 19 hours, 49 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3786669022.0 | Estimated Percent Change: 20.99634 |
| 09:54 |
BingoBoingo |
I have such a solid knot on my forehead. Fuck hail |
| 09:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54550 @ 0.0008639 = 47.1257 BTC [+] {2} |
| 09:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
ouch |
| 09:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
maybe you are becoming a full bronie |
| 09:57 |
BingoBoingo |
ThickAsThieves: I still have like two drinks left in this fifth. |
| 09:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
i know i said it already, but i fukn love this fever-tree ginger beer as a mixer |
| 09:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
makes your lips burn with joy |
| 10:00 |
BingoBoingo |
ThickAsThieves: Right nao I'm doing 50/50 instant coffee and vodka |
| 10:00 |
Mallstromm |
ThichkAsThieves: wonderful. Did you try the moscow mule with it? Fever-tree ginger beet + lime + vodka |
| 10:00 |
ThickAsThieves |
i add grapefruit juice too |
| 10:01 |
Mallstromm |
I prefer the original "moscow mule" with only vodka and some drops of natural lime juice |
| 10:01 |
Mallstromm |
grapefruit juice is too 'murrican for my taste :D |
| 10:01 |
BingoBoingo |
Grapefruit is healthy except for that part where it inhibits all of the good liver enzymes. |
| 10:01 |
ThickAsThieves |
hehe, too grapefruity for most people's taste i bet |
| 10:02 |
ThickAsThieves |
my wife thinks i prefer the most gross stuff |
| 10:02 |
ThickAsThieves |
hops, ginger, etc |
| 10:02 |
BingoBoingo |
Grapefruit tastes good enough. |
| 10:02 |
mircea_popescu |
tampons ? |
| 10:02 |
BingoBoingo |
Grapre fruit just leaves you vulerable to every poison ever. |
| 10:03 |
Mallstromm |
ThickAsThieves: i hope she's just speaking about food/beverages and not other kind of philias |
| 10:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
so it gets you higher, big deal |
| 10:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
:) |
| 10:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
well i do also like twister japanese horror |
| 10:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
twisted* |
| 10:03 |
asciilifeform |
from the circus: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2562647/NSA-worker-beat-3-year-old-adopted-son-death-tells-police-hadnt-bonded-boy.html |
| 10:03 |
kakobrekla |
wait, instant coffee and vodka in same cup?? |
| 10:04 |
kakobrekla |
i think id rather drink petrol |
| 10:04 |
BingoBoingo |
kakobrekla: Yeah, for justice |
| 10:04 |
ThickAsThieves |
probly taste similar |
| 10:04 |
Mallstromm |
kakobrekla: i hope he was joking, that's beyong gross |
| 10:04 |
mircea_popescu |
<kakobrekla> i think id rather drink petrol << in moscow they do. |
| 10:04 |
kakobrekla |
i dunno, he does have balls. |
| 10:05 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform you know what daily mail is right ? |
| 10:05 |
mircea_popescu |
sort-of like business insider with better creative writing. |
| 10:05 |
kakobrekla |
mircea_popescu and survive? |
| 10:05 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: of course. |
| 10:05 |
mircea_popescu |
sure. they're survival champs. |
| 10:05 |
asciilifeform |
i can't wait for the tabloids to 'nsa ufos!1!!' |
| 10:05 |
Mallstromm |
well, if they survive winter in Novosibirsk they can survive anything |
| 10:06 |
kakobrekla |
here, bomb. |
| 10:06 |
Mallstromm |
in fact i wouldn't know how to survive a winter in Novosibirsk without drinking petrol |
| 10:06 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform so is the guy in custody ? |
| 10:06 |
BingoBoingo |
Fuck UFO's. Shit s boring. Fucking clouds attacked me today. |
| 10:07 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/damascus-man-charged-with-killing-his-three-year-old-adopted-son/2014/02/18/4cc02e2a-98a4-11e3-9616-d367fa6ea99b_story.html |
| 10:07 |
ozbot |
Damascus man charged in death his 3-year-old adopted son - The Washington Post |
| 10:07 |
asciilifeform |
possibly. |
| 10:08 |
mircea_popescu |
"he is being held without bond." |
| 10:08 |
mircea_popescu |
they just added that lol. |
| 10:08 |
mircea_popescu |
no capital or anything. |
| 10:08 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/college-park-shady-grove-campuses-affected-by-university-of-maryland-security-breach/2014/02/19/ce438108-99bd-11e3-80ac-63a8ba7f7942_story.html |
| 10:08 |
ozbot |
University of Maryland computer security breach exposes 300,000 records - The Washington Post |
| 10:08 |
asciilifeform |
haha and there's the tortoise |
| 10:08 |
BingoBoingo |
Fucking terps |
| 10:08 |
BingoBoingo |
Herp Turp |
| 10:08 |
asciilifeform |
notice the dirt? |
| 10:08 |
asciilifeform |
it's from the 'sacrifices.' |
| 10:10 |
BingoBoingo |
So... concussion first aid. Is sleep good or bad? |
| 10:10 |
BingoBoingo |
If the patient is plastered. |
| 10:10 |
mircea_popescu |
it's fine. |
| 10:11 |
BingoBoingo |
Fuck spinny ice wind thingies. |
| 10:11 |
asciilifeform |
http://umd.edu/datasecurity/ |
| 10:11 |
ozbot |
The University of Maryland :: A Public Research University Advancing our State and the World |
| 10:11 |
asciilifeform |
(mtgox style turdletter) |
| 10:11 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 25 @ 0.06300337 = 1.5751 BTC [-] {4} |
| 10:12 |
Mallstromm |
LOOOOL Mircea, what about that picture on your Twitter account? The one in which you are wearing an open shirt, showing to the world your beautiful chest? |
| 10:12 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Universities have done worse. When I was at Mizzou their research reactor had a security breach. |
| 10:12 |
Mallstromm |
:D |
| 10:12 |
Mallstromm |
https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu |
| 10:12 |
ozbot |
Mircea Popescu (Mircea_Popescu) on Twitter |
| 10:12 |
Mallstromm |
its hilarious man |
| 10:12 |
mircea_popescu |
hallo yes i am mircea popescu. |
| 10:12 |
mircea_popescu |
wtf. |
| 10:12 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Largest research reactor in the US |
| 10:13 |
BingoBoingo |
Mallstromm: WHat is wrong with a dude showing some chest if he gets the pussy? |
| 10:14 |
Mallstromm |
"if he gets the pussy" |
| 10:14 |
Mallstromm |
:D |
| 10:14 |
mircea_popescu |
srsly, topless guys are a big deal nao ? |
| 10:14 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Maybe he doesn't ask or tell? |
| 10:14 |
mircea_popescu |
i fucking live in this world where women go about nude in teh park. i guess it'd be an ivory... tower ? |
| 10:15 |
Mallstromm |
well, you know, in some parts of the world taking a walk in the center of a city in top-less is quite awkward |
| 10:15 |
mircea_popescu |
in and of itself, awkward ? |
| 10:15 |
mircea_popescu |
some stupid bitch could be awkward at it, sure. |
| 10:15 |
Mallstromm |
:D |
| 10:15 |
BingoBoingo |
Mallstromm: You don't look like Mark Karpales do you? |
| 10:15 |
mircea_popescu |
the point of training is that she's not awkward. |
| 10:15 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1203 @ 0.00019706 = 0.2371 BTC [-] {5} |
| 10:16 |
asciilifeform |
re: nsa chief: i wonder if the prosecutor knows that prosecutors 'could also have problems' |
| 10:17 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i'll bet yo uthat particular prosecutor does not care. |
| 10:17 |
asciilifeform |
that's more or less the whole interesting part of the picture. |
| 10:17 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Interesting is Mizzou reactor breach merely needed a cab and not a prosecutor. |
| 10:18 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: ? |
| 10:19 |
BingoBoingo |
So... I am fairly certain that in this channel I have made comments that limit the set of people who could be me to 1. But Meta-NSA is a myth. |
| 10:20 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: worry after i'm impaled. |
| 10:20 |
BingoBoingo |
Fucking storm raid sirens again. |
| 10:21 |
mircea_popescu |
should we start a deadpool ? |
| 10:21 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: I'm just surprised the bore of an M16 is so small like a ruger plinking rifle. |
| 10:21 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: not like this is a national secret |
| 10:21 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: in most of the u.s. you can walk into a store and buy the damn thing and try it for yourself |
| 10:22 |
asciilifeform |
what's funny is that the ussr slavishly copied the 'tiny bullet' school of thought in '74 |
| 10:22 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: No, but... At least the Moissin-Nagant through the M-14 had the virtue of not being bored in squirrel caliber. |
| 10:22 |
asciilifeform |
they taught soldiers marksmanship in those days |
| 10:23 |
BingoBoingo |
And engagement at distance. |
| 10:24 |
asciilifeform |
the modern school of thought, i believe, is 'wound, don't kill, the enemy and tie up three men' |
| 10:24 |
asciilifeform |
(actual experts are invited to comment) |
| 10:24 |
mircea_popescu |
at least in guerilla warfare, definitely. |
| 10:24 |
BingoBoingo |
I'd believe that. |
| 10:24 |
Mats_cd03 |
556 is godly |
| 10:25 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform you ever read the old trilema article re the la bank robbers ? |
| 10:25 |
BingoBoingo |
Wierdest thing I've known is the Yugo SKS. Soviet bullet, Nato grenade launcher |
| 10:25 |
Mats_cd03 |
twice the combat load due yo half the weight of a 763 round |
| 10:25 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: the one with the armour? |
| 10:25 |
Mats_cd03 |
762 dat is |
| 10:26 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform the one observing that their strategy was correct, in that the pensions and hi of the cops they shot make it unworthwhile for the cops to show up next time. |
| 10:26 |
mircea_popescu |
(yeah, same one). |
| 10:26 |
asciilifeform |
they showed up on account of being biorobots. |
| 10:27 |
mircea_popescu |
they still cost the taxpayer. |
| 10:27 |
asciilifeform |
('meat puppets' in the english-speaking world?) |
| 10:28 |
CiPi |
Apple has startet again to accept bitcoin apps, alot of markets accepting bitcoin...ATM`s open is USA with btc...why the price is not rising and is falling? |
| 10:28 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: The right armour beats the wrong bullets? |
| 10:28 |
BingoBoingo |
Like in North Hollywood? |
| 10:28 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2011/strategii-in-lupta-antisociala/ |
| 10:28 |
ozbot |
Strategii in lupta antisociala pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 10:28 |
mircea_popescu |
Strategia corecta, in sensul ca perfecta, este sa mergi si sa jefuiesti banca. Daca nu apare politia, foarte bine, mergi in treaba ta. Daca insa apare politia, macelaresti civilii. Si anume, pe toti. Fara ezitari, fara mila, cu toata atentia pentru optimizarea carnajului in sensul extensiunii. Doua-trei sute de persoane minim, intr-o zona cit de cit centrala (ca doara nu jefuiesti banci la periferie acuma). |
| 10:28 |
mircea_popescu |
Sigur, dupa aia cel mai probabil vei muri. Ei, si ? Conteaza mai putin asta, daca te gindesti ca a) de murit oricum mori si respectiv b) odata ce politistii stiu ca daca vin vor muri sute de civili iar daca stau acasa nu va muri nimeni ei nu mai au de fapt o alegere la dispozitie. Pur si simplu, nu le va da nimeni voie sa se apropie de locul jafului, ca trei sute de morti ori doua milioane bucata pe asigurari vine juma |
| 10:28 |
mircea_popescu |
de miliard, iara tu nu poti fura mai mult de citeva milioane in cash, dat fiind ca n-ai cum ii duce. De fapt exact asa s-a ajuns si la regula ca-ti da bancherul oriciti bani si te lasa sa pleci, singura victorie a oamenilor antisociali in raport cu societatea din istoria moderna. |
| 10:29 |
Mats_cd03 |
what was that about pastebin |
| 10:29 |
mircea_popescu |
the correct strategy, which is to say the perfect strategy, is to go rob a bank. if no police shows up, good. if they do, butcher the civillians. which is to say, all ofthem. no mercy, no hesitation, optimize the carnage as to extension. |
| 10:30 |
mircea_popescu |
of course, you will likely die for it. so what ? hardly worth the menton this, if you think that a) you'll die anyway and b) once the police admin knows that sending the police means hundreds dead or wounded and if not sending the police means nothing they no longer have a choice. |
| 10:31 |
mircea_popescu |
pure and simple, they won't be even allowed to come near a place where someone's robbing a bank. because 300 hit at 3mn a piece is a billion, and nobody can afford to waste a billion to cover for whatever coupla million in bills you can possibly carry. |
| 10:31 |
mircea_popescu |
that's basically the principle there, works in all confrontations exactly the same. |
| 10:32 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh, robbing banks, the only way to do it wrong has to be carrying a sadwich, taking the money and walking briskly. |
| 10:32 |
mircea_popescu |
simple matter of cost optimisation, the well known weakness of the weak. |
| 10:32 |
mircea_popescu |
he who values his life has no future. |
| 10:33 |
BingoBoingo |
Funny story. After my allegedly disorderly conduct and old acquaintance from way back tried robbing a bank with a sandwhich. |
| 10:33 |
mircea_popescu |
Mats_cd03 3 lines man, cmon. |
| 10:34 |
BingoBoingo |
His bank robbery case is resolved, my disroderly conduct misdemeanor is still pending |
| 10:34 |
BingoBoingo |
On those mispelling it seems like bedtime. |
| 10:34 |
mircea_popescu |
obviously they wanted his sandwich |
| 10:35 |
BingoBoingo |
Of course. |
| 10:35 |
BingoBoingo |
As luck would have it for him he went into lockup as I fronted the local paper. He told the people in his pad "I know that dude" |
| 10:36 |
BingoBoingo |
No one messed with him, that he will talk about when he isn't hammered enough to bring out the trauma. |
| 10:38 |
BingoBoingo |
If only newspapers respected the sacred bounds of the word allegedly. |
| 10:39 |
BingoBoingo |
Done right, that could have been a bigger 1-2 social media coup than Y-Combinator could have imagined. |
| 10:39 |
BingoBoingo |
I only have to assume Paul Graham doesn't know how to pay me. |
| 10:40 |
mircea_popescu |
you got a graham fixation or somfin' ? |
| 10:40 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07299999 = 0.219 BTC [+] |
| 10:41 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Nah, but he makes it clear he is the money slut. I just turned 28. Going off of the lifespoans of most of my close relatives I've only got 22 years left at most. |
| 10:42 |
BingoBoingo |
I'm not giving up, so he is going to have to learn to pay the piper. |
| 10:42 |
mircea_popescu |
guy is what, 60 ? give him a break. |
| 10:43 |
mircea_popescu |
you're like some chick indignant that rms won't wash for her. |
| 10:43 |
mircea_popescu |
"but i'm 28! and my tits are really nice!!1" |
| 10:45 |
BingoBoingo |
lol, fair enough. Maybe it is 'Murica, but in my ancestry lives past 50 years of age seem to be... rather uncommon. |
| 10:46 |
BingoBoingo |
I'll be back. Imma try to sleep while the storm raid sirens are STFU. |
| 10:53 |
pankkake |
perhaps they didn't eat paleo |
| 11:01 |
nubbins` |
hi |
| 11:01 |
mircea_popescu |
hey |
| 11:02 |
mike_c |
BingoBoingo: last sale was to me, so you don't have *all* the orders on x-bt :) |
| |
~ 23 minutes ~ |
| 11:26 |
Mallstromm |
Withdrawals not working on Bitstamp |
| 11:26 |
Mallstromm |
http://www.dumpt.com/img/viewer.php?file=c5n76shw9wspczpdmnge.jpg |
| 11:26 |
Mallstromm |
sweet stuff |
| 11:26 |
kakobrekla |
THE COMPUTER SAYS NO |
| 11:27 |
Mallstromm |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=476614.0 |
| 11:27 |
ozbot |
Anyone else got bitstamp btc withdrawal problems? |
| 11:27 |
mike_c |
what an infuriating error message |
| 11:30 |
kakobrekla |
no dude |
| 11:30 |
kakobrekla |
"Bitstamp. How an exchange should be run. " |
| 11:30 |
kakobrekla |
DONT YA KNOW?! |
| 11:31 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07002301 = 0.14 BTC [-] |
| 11:31 |
mike_c |
best in the business. it's like being the best spammer or something. |
| 11:34 |
kakobrekla |
lel |
| 11:34 |
nubbins` |
** ATTENTION ** As per our terms of service, we only service Canadian Citizens. If you deposit BTC, you will **NOT** be able to withdraw them until you are level 1 Verified or higher. Failure to get level 1 verified or higher will result in the **FORFEITURE OF YOUR COINS**!!! |
| 11:34 |
nubbins` |
^ cavirtex |
| 11:34 |
nubbins` |
as a canadian citizen, i eagerly await my servicing |
| 11:35 |
nubbins` |
my body is ready |
| 11:35 |
Bugpowder |
This is probably the first time Mark K has bitten off more than he could chew. |
| 11:35 |
mircea_popescu |
wait, forfeiture of coins ? |
| 11:36 |
mircea_popescu |
you mean people don't have the god given right to send bitcoin to any address for any purpose they themselves established ? |
| 11:36 |
kakobrekla |
he did that the first time he installed bitcoind Bugpowder |
| 11:37 |
nubbins` |
oh, they have the right |
| 11:37 |
nubbins` |
they just don't have the right to get their coins returned to them |
| 11:37 |
Bugpowder |
<cough> Incoming Bitcoin that doesn't exactly match a quoted sum will be simply kept, reported as profits and distributed to MPEx shareholders. |
| 11:38 |
kakobrekla |
yeah but we all know he is just crazy. |
| 11:42 |
mjr_ |
hi all |
| 11:42 |
nubbins` |
hi |
| 11:42 |
mjr_ |
whats new in the world? |
| 11:42 |
nubbins` |
trying to build eulora, gonna grind up some beef soon |
| 11:42 |
Apocalyptic |
.d |
| 11:42 |
ozbot |
3129573174.52229 | Next Diff in 1383 blocks | Estimated Change: 19.8444% in 7d 16h 45m 14s |
| 11:42 |
mjr_ |
nice |
| 11:43 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.16230094 = 1.2984 BTC [-] |
| 11:45 |
mjr_ |
ah...gox is getting to be pretty annoying |
| 11:48 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00086638 = 6.1513 BTC [+] |
| 11:53 |
dexX7_ |
woah x_X my test withdrawal from kraken to fidor bank via sepa did not even take one hour |
| 11:55 |
nubbins` |
:o |
| 11:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0645 = 0.129 BTC [+] |
| 11:59 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` a yes lemme know |
| 11:59 |
mircea_popescu |
dexX7_ wd. |
| 11:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.90663431 BTC to 2`373 shares, 80347 satoshi per share |
| 11:59 |
mircea_popescu |
sepa is normally like that. provided, you know, the exchange actually sends it. |
| 12:00 |
davout |
hey mjr_ |
| 12:00 |
mjr_ |
what up |
| 12:00 |
jurov |
depends, sepa can arrive next day |
| 12:00 |
mjr_ |
how are you doing? |
| 12:01 |
AndrewWhatsUpppp |
sepa is a month+ last i heard |
| 12:02 |
ThickAsThieves |
Spanish banking group BBVA acquires Simple for $117 million in cash |
| 12:03 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.16230094 = 0.8115 BTC [-] |
| 12:03 |
jurov |
AndrewWhatsUpppp that's mtgox exclusive feature |
| 12:04 |
AndrewWhatsUpppp |
haha |
| 12:04 |
AndrewWhatsUpppp |
true. realSEPA (lol) is 1-2 business days yes |
| 12:04 |
mircea_popescu |
AndrewWhatsUpppp congratulations on being bought out for 190 billion. |
| 12:04 |
AndrewWhatsUpppp |
especially if your whole country has adopted the IBAN standard |
| 12:05 |
TwinWinNerD |
If the bank actually sends out the SEPA it is there within hours. But banking... |
| 12:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/20/doug-kass-doubles-down-on-tesla-short/ |
| 12:05 |
ozbot |
Doug Kass Doubles Down on Tesla Short - MoneyBeat - WSJ |
| 12:06 |
mircea_popescu |
that's not going to end well. |
| 12:07 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.0004458 = 0.2229 BTC [+] {4} |
| 12:08 |
Bugpowder |
Trading 101 - How to dollar-cost average a short: Don’t. |
| 12:09 |
mircea_popescu |
at least he's a qualified investor. |
| 12:10 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.063 = 0.315 BTC [-] {2} |
| 12:13 |
mike_c |
dollar-cost average is my second favorite "finance" term after head-and-shoulders. |
| 12:14 |
mircea_popescu |
i always wonder why it's not tit and elbow. |
| 12:14 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 363 @ 0.0055 = 1.9965 BTC |
| 12:22 |
nubbins` |
mircea_popescu: not too crucial, but i don't think the new src actually does come with instructions |
| 12:23 |
mircea_popescu |
what's missing ? |
| 12:23 |
nubbins` |
instructions :D |
| 12:24 |
mircea_popescu |
you're not helping me :p |
| 12:24 |
nubbins` |
haha. |
| 12:24 |
nubbins` |
your post mentioned something about the source including instructions for building the client |
| 12:24 |
mircea_popescu |
well yes. |
| 12:24 |
mircea_popescu |
jamfiles etc |
| 12:25 |
nubbins` |
ah, aha. yes, sure |
| 12:25 |
nubbins` |
i suppose that's a form of instruction |
| 12:25 |
nubbins` |
i was searching for a README or something |
| 12:25 |
mircea_popescu |
but you know, i dunno what you want/need unless you say |
| 12:25 |
mircea_popescu |
o |
| 12:25 |
nubbins` |
altho TBF if you can't figure out how to use jam, instructions are going to be of minimal help |
| 12:25 |
mircea_popescu |
theres an automake or somesuch script i think |
| 12:25 |
nubbins` |
nod |
| 12:26 |
nubbins` |
ran into the same issues as before, likely related to apple's bundling their own fork of LLVM |
| 12:27 |
mircea_popescu |
as in it won't make or won't compile at all ? |
| 12:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
lawsky AMA open for questions http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1ygcil/as_requested_im_ben_lawsky_superintendent_of_the/ |
| 12:27 |
nubbins` |
lots of compile errors. i think i'm gonna try to install it via macports |
| 12:28 |
nubbins` |
need to do some more reading but IIRC macports lets you specify one of many versions of gcc |
| 12:32 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-] |
| 12:34 |
ThickAsThieves |
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bg7rS1gIEAA9jB6.jpg:large |
| 12:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
is that a fingerprint scanner on his kb? |
| 12:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
what shitty desk setup |
| 12:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
where do his legs go |
| 12:36 |
mircea_popescu |
why the fuck does he have a gamebox |
| 12:36 |
mircea_popescu |
or wtf lame console i don't even know is that ? |
| 12:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
supernintendo lawsky meme |
| 12:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
he's into it |
| 12:37 |
mircea_popescu |
jesus. |
| 12:37 |
mircea_popescu |
desk too low, that thing actually looks like he's moved into his master's house as a junior slavegirl and they didn't have a spare room so he got the closet. |
| 12:38 |
mircea_popescu |
at least he got a blue shirt so should be ok. |
| 12:38 |
mircea_popescu |
that's finance, right ? |
| 12:38 |
nubbins` |
confirmed, his knees don't go under that keyboard tray |
| 12:39 |
ThickAsThieves |
blue shirt red tie, horrible |
| 12:39 |
nubbins` |
his back must hurt all the time |
| 12:39 |
ThickAsThieves |
and look how low his monitors are |
| 12:39 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves it's a power tie. it's what real high power business execs do. |
| 12:39 |
ThickAsThieves |
hunch all day |
| 12:39 |
mircea_popescu |
if it's 2006. |
| 12:39 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't get these people with the top of monitor alligned to nostril arrangements. |
| 12:39 |
ThickAsThieves |
we're so lame |
| 12:40 |
nubbins` |
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-95jJQwpsuhk/TxAqf84m62I/AAAAAAAABtI/xoZX_-7nANo/s1600/-9.jpg |
| 12:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
lol |
| 12:40 |
mircea_popescu |
here i am harranguing you people about letters too smal |
| 12:40 |
nubbins` |
blue shirt red tie |
| 12:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
is that gay will smith? |
| 12:40 |
mircea_popescu |
and meanwhile the ny bureaucracy is stuck nosedripping past the screen |
| 12:41 |
ThickAsThieves |
anyone have any good questions for him? |
| 12:41 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` the shoes are the most worrisome. |
| 12:41 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves i want to know why is his desk so low. |
| 12:41 |
mircea_popescu |
isn't he uncomfortable there ? |
| 12:41 |
nubbins` |
"shoes" |
| 12:42 |
nubbins` |
that's like calling a condom a pair of pants |
| 12:43 |
pLambert |
see, he never actually uses the computer, he has another desk to his right |
| 12:43 |
mircea_popescu |
sarcasm is the highest form of internetwit. |
| 12:43 |
mircea_popescu |
pLambert so your theory is basically scamcomputerdesk ? |
| 12:43 |
pLambert |
more that the computer is there for show |
| 12:43 |
mircea_popescu |
right. |
| 12:44 |
mircea_popescu |
ken lansky. |
| 12:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
aww i can only post every 8min |
| 12:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
lame |
| 12:44 |
mircea_popescu |
how 8 ?! |
| 12:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
or 10 or whatever |
| 12:44 |
mircea_popescu |
you gotta mine a reddit block ? |
| 12:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
"you are doing that too much. try again in 8 minutes." |
| 12:45 |
ThickAsThieves |
i did ask "Would you agree that money laundering is now impossible to stop due to inter-cryptocurrency exchanges and a global market outside of the US?" |
| 12:45 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07002201 = 0.4902 BTC [-] {3} |
| 12:45 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.063 = 0.63 BTC [-] |
| 12:45 |
mircea_popescu |
such a pointless question. |
| 12:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
couldnt think of anything i actually wanted to know from him |
| 12:46 |
mircea_popescu |
ask some chick you met in a bar if she'd agree she's never going to get satisfactorily laid ever again in her life. |
| 12:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
well |
| 12:46 |
nubbins` |
9/10 would say "i agree" |
| 12:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's more putting the topic on the table to see what he says |
| 12:46 |
nubbins` |
the other 1 in ten have heard of me |
| 12:47 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves bad medium for that approach. i can afford it with noobs here cause they're stuck with me. amas tho... |
| 12:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
well the first reply shows it |
| 12:48 |
ThickAsThieves |
"there is no evidence that money-launderers , South American Drug Barrons or international terrorist have , of have any intention of EVER using Bitcoin ( The transaction logs on the blockchain will render them traceable ) So they will stick with the good old fashioned Dollar ( latest estimates is that there is over 1.5trillion Dollars involved world-wide ) any comments Ben ?" |
| 12:48 |
mircea_popescu |
tbh i kinda like the guy. i mean he looks uncomfortable as all hell and plenty clueless, |
| 12:48 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02230888 = 0.1115 BTC [-] {4} |
| 12:48 |
mircea_popescu |
but otherwise i suspect he means well. |
| 12:48 |
ThickAsThieves |
i like him too |
| 12:48 |
ThickAsThieves |
i think he likes bitcoin much more than he'll let on |
| 12:49 |
mircea_popescu |
not much of a criterion, that. |
| 12:49 |
mircea_popescu |
so far bitcoin's been helped more by people that hated it |
| 12:49 |
mircea_popescu |
than by those loving it. |
| 12:49 |
Mats_cd03 |
i think its relatively easy to launder bitcoin |
| 12:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
well this is a guy that has an arsenal of red tape and idiocy at his disposal |
| 12:49 |
nubbins` |
mircea_popescu, do you know if i should be using a specific snapshot of crystalspace-2.1? http://crystalspace3d.org/cvs-snapshots/zip/ |
| 12:50 |
Mats_cd03 |
certainly not trillions but i could see hundreds of millions being feasible |
| 12:50 |
mircea_popescu |
Mats_cd03 how exactly do you put the limit ? |
| 12:50 |
mircea_popescu |
if i can launder a dime i can launder a quadrillion. |
| 12:50 |
Mats_cd03 |
i dont, its arbitrary |
| 12:50 |
nubbins` |
latest stable is 2.0, but ./configure checks for >= 2.1 |
| 12:50 |
mircea_popescu |
just rotate it. |
| 12:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
;;ticker --market mtgox |
| 12:51 |
gribble |
MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 122.0, Best ask: 123.6, Bid-ask spread: 1.60000, Last trade: 121.0, 24 hour volume: 85791.15253635, 24 hour low: 120.69, 24 hour high: 276.24152, 24 hour vwap: 178.66003 |
| 12:52 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` you know the thing is in the first bundle |
| 12:52 |
nubbins` |
aha! |
| 12:52 |
nubbins` |
ty |
| 12:52 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC |
| 12:52 |
mircea_popescu |
mp mp. |
| 12:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
lawsky: "I think new, careful regulations, especially related to preventing money laundering, will make banks more comfortable with Bitcoin-related activity over time." |
| 12:53 |
nubbins` |
mircea popescu magic points |
| 12:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
asnwering a diff q |
| 12:53 |
mircea_popescu |
my pleasure |
| 12:53 |
nubbins` |
i know ;( |
| 12:54 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0625 = 0.125 BTC [-] |
| 12:56 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07005 = 1.4711 BTC [+] {2} |
| 12:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07000024 = 1.4 BTC [-] |
| 12:58 |
benkay |
mircea_popescu: method of currency my sides |
| 12:58 |
benkay |
exponential growth; logarithmic leaps! |
| 12:59 |
mircea_popescu |
waitwut |
| 13:00 |
jcpham |
goxfail is an interesting dynamic to follow |
| 13:01 |
jcpham |
either masterful manipulation of throngs of users who expect insolvency |
| 13:01 |
jcpham |
i can't tell which yet |
| 13:01 |
nubbins` |
yeh, interesting times |
| 13:02 |
Mats_cd03 |
time to buy more btc |
| 13:02 |
nubbins` |
people buy btc? |
| 13:02 |
jcpham |
very interesting to see if it stops and where |
| 13:02 |
ThickAsThieves |
how is it masterful? |
| 13:02 |
ThickAsThieves |
things that are obvious are not genius or masterful |
| 13:02 |
jcpham |
i've always thought it was gox |
| 13:02 |
ThickAsThieves |
mostly just criminal in this case |
| 13:02 |
jcpham |
and it isn't obviously mtgox doing it is it? |
| 13:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
it is |
| 13:03 |
jcpham |
proof because i just speculate it |
| 13:03 |
jcpham |
i always have though |
| 13:03 |
mircea_popescu |
that's ok, jcpham just has this insane british passion of arguing for the dead underdog. |
| 13:03 |
mircea_popescu |
it usually fucks him in the ass, but he keeps a stiff upper buttlip and limps on. |
| 13:04 |
jcpham |
unless you guys know of some specific citable proof that mtgox internally is doing this |
| 13:05 |
jcpham |
i still say masterful manipulation on mtgox's part for not being proven to do it yet |
| 13:05 |
jcpham |
txn volume alone |
| 13:05 |
mircea_popescu |
derp. |
| 13:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
occam was never one to smack proof over the head |
| 13:05 |
jcpham |
not the razor! |
| 13:05 |
mircea_popescu |
you know who else isn't proven to be "doing it" yet ? |
| 13:05 |
mircea_popescu |
gbbg or w/e it was called, that thing. |
| 13:05 |
mircea_popescu |
bggb |
| 13:05 |
mircea_popescu |
something. |
| 13:06 |
ThickAsThieves |
bel biv devoe? |
| 13:06 |
mircea_popescu |
some dumbass forum "security" |
| 13:06 |
mircea_popescu |
but when you're done with the derp and are actually ready to look the proof over, try for instance https://twitter.com/krtek_net/status/436492419811405824 |
| 13:07 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno how clearer than "we're only executing sell orders if they're over XXX arbitrary value" you can get. |
| 13:08 |
ThickAsThieves |
and this http://i.imgur.com/qLYhzR3.jpg |
| 13:09 |
ThickAsThieves |
we know it wasnt Namworld selling all dem coins |
| 13:10 |
nubbins` |
haha |
| 13:10 |
nubbins` |
nice graph |
| 13:11 |
Bugpowder |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_U4a8YoB9w |
| 13:11 |
ozbot |
Apocalypse Now - Intro (HD) - YouTube |
| 13:11 |
mircea_popescu |
trilema is now using 3mB/s |
| 13:11 |
mircea_popescu |
what the fuck people ;/ |
| 13:12 |
nubbins` |
your popeuloraty is rising |
| 13:12 |
nubbins` |
(swidt?) |
| 13:12 |
mircea_popescu |
lol popehatness. |
| 13:13 |
mircea_popescu |
i gotta say, ancient wordpress is superbly solid software. |
| 13:13 |
mircea_popescu |
that's a modest server really spitting out all that shit. |
| 13:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
gox gonna break 100 |
| 13:14 |
Bugpowder |
yep |
| 13:14 |
Mallstromm |
double digits here we come |
| 13:14 |
Bugpowder |
makes no sense to me |
| 13:15 |
Bugpowder |
you aren't getting your dollars out either |
| 13:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
you assume it |
| 13:15 |
Bugpowder |
why not have 5x the value |
| 13:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
s not mostly gox |
| 13:15 |
nubbins` |
lelling at the goxbtc-for-realbtc trade in -otc these days |
| 13:15 |
mircea_popescu |
Bugpowder might as well enjoy the trading. |
| 13:15 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` is it going well ? |
| 13:15 |
nubbins` |
we won't know until later |
| 13:15 |
nubbins` |
rather, it's going well, we're just not sure who it's going well for |
| 13:15 |
dexX7_ |
almost 3k traded today on bitcoinbuilder.com, no idea how much went through -otc |
| 13:16 |
Bugpowder |
Any actual lawsuit shutdown payout will probably come up with a market valuation for the BTC and disburse assets accordingly |
| 13:16 |
ThickAsThieves |
in 2016 |
| 13:16 |
Bugpowder |
how can they not have the coins? |
| 13:16 |
Bugpowder |
really |
| 13:16 |
ThickAsThieves |
by then ATC will rule |
| 13:16 |
mircea_popescu |
Bugpowder lolsuit. remember they still owe the bitcoinica btc ? |
| 13:16 |
ThickAsThieves |
really? |
| 13:16 |
Bugpowder |
a hot wallet might have been scooped |
| 13:16 |
uglux |
how much? |
| 13:16 |
Bugpowder |
but not the cold storage |
| 13:17 |
mircea_popescu |
Bugpowder it's all gone. |
| 13:17 |
mircea_popescu |
that's what the "malleability" bs was all about. |
| 13:17 |
ThickAsThieves |
bug they were sending coins more than once |
| 13:17 |
mircea_popescu |
they emptied whatever was left and that's that. |
| 13:17 |
Bugpowder |
not from a cold wallet |
| 13:17 |
ThickAsThieves |
the loss can be as large as their derp |
| 13:17 |
mircea_popescu |
uglux 20k, something. |
| 13:17 |
Bugpowder |
what was the last wallet address they signed from? |
| 13:17 |
Mats_cd03 |
they prob emptied a cold wallet or five before they knee about the bug |
| 13:17 |
nubbins` |
it's a wonder that a gang of weeaboos hasn't violently assaulted karplelelel yet |
| 13:17 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02000264 = 0.12 BTC [-] |
| 13:17 |
Mats_cd03 |
knew* |
| 13:18 |
ThickAsThieves |
seriously, at this point i wanna beat him down just because |
| 13:18 |
kakobrekla |
the gang is almost doubling every day |
| 13:18 |
kakobrekla |
now at 3 people. |
| 13:18 |
ThickAsThieves |
lo |
| 13:18 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 13:18 |
Mats_cd03 |
hit him with your keyboard |
| 13:18 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's a protest bubble! |
| 13:18 |
mircea_popescu |
a GANG of weaboos ? this reminds me of the old mp skit about the evil grannies. |
| 13:19 |
ThickAsThieves |
"Many bitcoin enthusiasts think that the widespread adoption of some form of cryptocurrency is an inevitability and that unfriendly governments such as China and Russia will ultimately be powerless to stop it. Do you share this view?" |
| 13:20 |
ThickAsThieves |
Lawsky: Hard to put the genie back in the bottle. I can't predict the future but Bitcoin is certainly a new powerful technology that holds a lot of promise for the future if we can mitigate some of the potential negatives like money laundering. |
| 13:20 |
nubbins` |
yeah, i guess it's a bit of a reach that weeaboos could organize in meatspace |
| 13:20 |
benkay |
Mats_cd03: re: cleaning coins: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/01/31_mix-your-coins-for-1-bitbet-as-mixer.html |
| 13:21 |
pankkake |
but bitbets are public |
| 13:21 |
benkay |
mircea_popescu: referring to your link ibm/bitcoin poster and the failure of education |
| 13:21 |
benkay |
u no ams see "private bitbet" pankkake?! |
| 13:21 |
mircea_popescu |
that link was such sad fail. |
| 13:21 |
pankkake |
certes |
| 13:22 |
Mallstromm |
bitbet "war chest" |
| 13:22 |
Mallstromm |
LOL |
| 13:22 |
Mallstromm |
maybe they were referring to Mircea's "milky-white chest" |
| 13:22 |
ThickAsThieves |
but the coins arent even cleaned |
| 13:22 |
ThickAsThieves |
they are just sent back to you, no? |
| 13:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
lol 4600 coins bid at 110.00 |
| 13:24 |
dignork |
ThickAsThieves, coins might be different, but bitbet is useless for hiding, bet wins are returned to the same address, or the one mentioned in initial transfer, so it's easy track |
| 13:24 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform you know how Мичурин died btw ? |
| 13:24 |
benkay |
ThickAsThieves: you can check with mircea_popescu and kakobrekla but i believe you'll be getting older coins than you put int. |
| 13:24 |
mircea_popescu |
dignork how do you reason ? |
| 13:24 |
benkay |
dignork: bet wins are returned to the address of your choice - get it right. |
| 13:24 |
ThickAsThieves |
dignork you can specify a new payout address |
| 13:25 |
Mallstromm |
lol, only $2M on Gox's order book :D :D :D |
| 13:25 |
dignork |
ThickAsThieves: yes, you can, but return address is posted in the betting transaction |
| 13:25 |
ThickAsThieves |
now if BitBet itself also needs to clean coins, i could see this working out |
| 13:25 |
ThickAsThieves |
:) |
| 13:25 |
ThickAsThieves |
not on private bets |
| 13:25 |
uglux |
gox is a fucking casino now: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg5264088#msg5264088https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg5264088#msg5264088 |
| 13:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
dignork ^ |
| 13:26 |
mircea_popescu |
dignork so what if the address is posted ? |
| 13:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
i wonder if gox will go to single digits |
| 13:26 |
mircea_popescu |
lol it'd be epic if they actually put a dice system in. |
| 13:26 |
dignork |
mircea_popescu, for proper tumbling return address should be passed out of band, reading about private bets now |
| 13:27 |
mircea_popescu |
i do not follow your logic. so address is published. so ? |
| 13:28 |
benkay |
american banks fading in relevance: http://venturebeat.com/2014/02/20/online-bank-simple-acquired-by-spains-bbva-for-117m-with-a-focus-on-international-growth/ |
| 13:28 |
mircea_popescu |
chec it out, 1% of snapchat or w/e it was. |
| 13:29 |
benkay |
mircea_popescu dignork: even so, private bets hold addresses...private, keeping third parties from bridging through scraping bitbet |
| 13:29 |
kakobrekla |
omg lolz www.bitcoinbuilder.com |
| 13:29 |
Bugpowder |
just-dice is much better for mixing |
| 13:30 |
mircea_popescu |
don't they do the sdice include inputs in outputs ? |
| 13:31 |
Bugpowder |
was better. I'm not sure actually, haven't been following along lately. |
| 13:31 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] |
| 13:31 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla lol they do payouts once a day ? suicide. |
| 13:31 |
mircea_popescu |
how many days are there. |
| 13:31 |
kakobrekla |
i dunno just got the link from bug :> |
| 13:32 |
nubbins` |
lovely responsive design there |
| 13:33 |
kakobrekla |
kinda broked neh? |
| 13:34 |
mircea_popescu |
Morgan Housel @TMFHousel Critics: Mark Zuckerberg understands the value of social networks better than you do. That's why he's Mark Zuckerberg and you're a critic. |
| 13:34 |
mircea_popescu |
Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu @TMFHousel @EddyElfenbein Thank you Mr. Candide. Pangloss is calling, run along now. |
| 13:34 |
nubbins` |
http://imgur.com/0c2rj74 |
| 13:34 |
ozbot |
imgur: the simple image sharer |
| 13:34 |
nubbins` |
masterful |
| 13:34 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm pasting this here because i'd like at least one person to get it. |
| 13:34 |
mircea_popescu |
and i don't see it happening on twitter... |
| 13:34 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` at least it's not titstrap. |
| 13:35 |
benkay |
HAW |
| 13:38 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 132 @ 0.00292 = 0.3854 BTC [-] |
| 13:39 |
mircea_popescu |
http://bitbet.us/bet/281/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-be-above-150-on/ |
| 13:39 |
ozbot |
BitBet - BTC/USD at MtGox will be above $150 on Mar 1st 2014 |
| 13:39 |
mircea_popescu |
holy shit this will burn. |
| 13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
3:45 atm. ppl gonna make out like bandits. |
| 13:40 |
benkay |
mhm |
| 13:40 |
benkay |
weight's working correctly on that one too. |
| 13:41 |
ThickAsThieves |
i got .1 at 3169 weight, not great, but not bad |
| 13:41 |
ThickAsThieves |
bitbet has .07 at 99999 weight |
| 13:41 |
ThickAsThieves |
hehe |
| 13:41 |
mircea_popescu |
ya bitbet will make what, 1 btc there ? |
| 13:42 |
ThickAsThieves |
yep |
| 13:42 |
mircea_popescu |
course it could just as well go to 3983409583409853098 on the 1st |
| 13:42 |
ThickAsThieves |
indeed |
| 13:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
kinda surprised bitstamp price is hanging in there |
| 13:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
575 atm |
| 13:45 |
mircea_popescu |
check out 1994 : |
| 13:45 |
mircea_popescu |
GEORGE: Really? (Jerry shakes his head) Maybe this will become like a cool thing, living with your parents. |
| 13:45 |
mircea_popescu |
JERRY: (sarcastically) Ya, then maybe baldness will catch on. This will all be turning your way. |
| 13:45 |
mircea_popescu |
today is 2014, and needless to say... |
| 13:46 |
nubbins` |
a cool thing |
| 13:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
this AMA blows |
| 13:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
first one i've ever followed live |
| 13:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
basically it's meaningless words with "but money laundering" weaved in |
| 13:54 |
benkay |
sounds like typical usg propaganda |
| 13:54 |
Bugpowder |
I stopped the terrorists and created 2.5 million jobs with my bit license |
| 13:54 |
Bugpowder |
Lawsky's stump speech for NY gov 2016 |
| 13:56 |
ThickAsThieves |
is pot legal in NY yet? he can add that to his agenda |
| 13:56 |
Bugpowder |
http://techcrunch.com/2014/02/20/balanced-coinbase-bitcoin/ |
| 13:56 |
ozbot |
Marketplace Payments Startup Balanced Partners With Coinbase And Adds Bitcoin Support | TechCrunch |
| 13:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50996 BTC [-] |
| 13:58 |
mircea_popescu |
he's not running for governor. |
| 13:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
mayor? |
| 13:59 |
mircea_popescu |
i wonder if this ends up in a coinlab-esque trial. |
| 13:59 |
mircea_popescu |
nah they have a commie kid for mayor, he'll stick till the town sinks. |
| 13:59 |
Bugpowder |
ok 2020 USPrez |
| 14:00 |
mircea_popescu |
i think he may be trying for a job in the actual institutions |
| 14:00 |
mircea_popescu |
sec, whatever. |
| 14:00 |
ThickAsThieves |
except he'll just end up cryptolord, cuz no one else will wanna be it |
| 14:03 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google lansky new york |
| 14:03 |
gribble |
Lansky's Old World Deli - CLOSED - Upper West Side - New York ...: <http://www.yelp.com/biz/lanskys-old-world-deli-new-york-2>; Lansky's New York | American, Pasta, Breakfast | Order Online | 235 ...: <http://lanskysnewyork.com/>; West Side Rag » LANSKY'S DELI CLOSES: <http://www.westsiderag.com/2013/02/25/lanskys-deli-closes> |
| 14:03 |
benkay |
cryptolord of NYC |
| 14:03 |
benkay |
i don't want it. |
| 14:03 |
mircea_popescu |
check that out, a closed deli outranks him in ny. |
| 14:03 |
benkay |
and i *like* the place. |
| 14:03 |
mircea_popescu |
i tell you i dun see governor. |
| 14:03 |
Bugpowder |
LAWSKY |
| 14:03 |
benkay |
;;google lawsky new york |
| 14:03 |
gribble |
Benjamin M. Lawsky - Department of Financial Services - New York ...: <http://www.dfs.ny.gov/about/staff_bios/blawsky.htm>; Benjamin Lawsky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Lawsky>; Ben Lawsky (BenLawsky) on Twitter: <https://twitter.com/BenLawsky> |
| 14:04 |
mircea_popescu |
o silly me. |
| 14:06 |
mircea_popescu |
young guy, anwyay. too soon to say where he ends up. |
| 14:08 |
benkay |
us young guys - too young to get shitloads of dollars into btc at the right time, doomed to toil for the cryptolords forever. |
| 14:08 |
mircea_popescu |
the wonders of deflationary currencies. |
| 14:09 |
benkay |
check your privilege, mircea_popescu |
| 14:11 |
pLambert |
so, when MtGox goes away in a day or two, will the price on the other exchanges go back up to 1000? |
| 14:11 |
nubbins` |
in a day or two, heh |
| 14:11 |
nubbins` |
willing to put some money behind that? |
| 14:12 |
pLambert |
nah, I dont like to bet on idiots |
| 14:12 |
benkay |
but those are the best bets! |
| 14:16 |
dignork |
mircea_popescu, sorry I had to jump offline for a bit, back to the using bitbet as a tumbler, private bets do provide this function, but bitbet.us is not accessible over tor and does not work over https... |
| 14:17 |
nubbins` |
no https! |
| 14:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97375 @ 0.00086765 = 84.4874 BTC [+] {6} |
| 14:18 |
Bugpowder |
Gox is solvent |
| 14:18 |
asciilifeform |
no, gox is solute. |
| 14:18 |
Bugpowder |
we need a new bitbet |
| 14:18 |
mircea_popescu |
dignork why isn't it accessible over tor ?! |
| 14:19 |
dignork |
mircea_popescu: I meant it does not implement hidden service, or at least I couldn't find the interface |
| 14:19 |
asciilifeform |
bitbet is perfectly accessible over tor. but exits can easily substitute in magic addrs instead of the supplied ones. |
| 14:19 |
mircea_popescu |
it doesn't as an onion, no, if that's what you meant |
| 14:19 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.02000263 = 0.26 BTC [-] {2} |
| 14:20 |
dignork |
mircea_popescu: yep, I meant onion addr, the point is to encrypt the traffic, not identity of the player |
| 14:20 |
mircea_popescu |
what's https help anyway ? |
| 14:20 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't think you |
| 14:20 |
nubbins` |
^ |
| 14:20 |
mircea_popescu |
're proceeding with a clear understanding of what you wish to achieve |
| 14:20 |
mircea_popescu |
but moreover are trying to do a particular dance. |
| 14:20 |
mircea_popescu |
inasmuch as this is true, and you wish to do "x-tumbler-dance" obviously bitbet won't be a good solution for oyu. |
| 14:22 |
pLambert |
use bitbet as tumbler: put in small bet on winning side, put in large (to be laundered) bet on the losing side. Voila, instead of having stolen bitcoins you now have gambling winnings. |
| 14:22 |
mircea_popescu |
Bugpowder solvent in the sense of sniffing glue ? |
| 14:23 |
nubbins` |
"i am the solvent" |
| 14:24 |
dignork |
mircea_popescu: I don't care if it's called tumbler, the idea is that person A sends funds to person B in untraceable way. Placing bet over public channel is not so untraceable. |
| 14:25 |
mircea_popescu |
take a bet with a:b odds. place bet A on a going to A', bet B on b going to B'. |
| |
↖ |
| 14:25 |
mircea_popescu |
either A or B is "dirtly", the rest are clean. |
| 14:25 |
mircea_popescu |
you are now completely separated. |
| 14:26 |
Mallstromm |
really? |
| 14:26 |
dignork |
mircea_popescu: assuming it's a private bet, placed over clear channel, it's trivially linked |
| 14:26 |
Mallstromm |
are you guys still discussing about the retarded "bitbet as a tumbler" issue? |
| 14:26 |
nubbins` |
but the guy monitoring his non-https traffic is observing him placing these bets |
| 14:26 |
Mallstromm |
like 5 hours later? |
| 14:27 |
nubbins` |
Mallstromm, they took a break |
| 14:27 |
nubbins` |
are you harping on people for having a conversation? |
| 14:27 |
nubbins` |
;p |
| 14:27 |
mircea_popescu |
dignork maybe trivially doesn't mean what you think it means. |
| 14:27 |
dignork |
if it's a public bet, you're risking odds change |
| 14:27 |
mircea_popescu |
so use small sums. |
| 14:27 |
mircea_popescu |
Mallstromm did you want to contribute something ? |
| 14:27 |
Mallstromm |
yep |
| 14:27 |
Mallstromm |
if you want to tumble your coins, just send them to bitcoinfog.com and follow the procedure |
| 14:28 |
nubbins` |
but i don't trust bitcoinfog |
| 14:28 |
mircea_popescu |
who is bitcoinfog ? |
| 14:28 |
Mallstromm |
what it's sure is that sending the "tainted" coins from address A to receive them back to address A is just retarded. |
| 14:28 |
mircea_popescu |
How the service works |
| 14:28 |
mircea_popescu |
You register an account on our website |
| 14:28 |
mircea_popescu |
are you retarded ? |
| 14:28 |
Apocalyptic |
i'm pretty sure they are selectively scamming |
| 14:28 |
dignork |
mircea_popescu: i do not mean script kiddie intercepting plaintext http traffic to bitbet, I mean trivial for law enforcement for example |
| 14:28 |
Mallstromm |
mircea: just a little |
| 14:29 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.101 = 0.202 BTC [-] {2} |
| 14:29 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] |
| 14:29 |
mircea_popescu |
dignork doing what dood ? |
| 14:29 |
mircea_popescu |
so you lost some money on a bet, and some people won it. |
| 14:29 |
mircea_popescu |
now what. |
| 14:29 |
Mallstromm |
dignork: well, if LE is sniffing your traffic that means they are physically VERY CLOSE to you... Thus you have much bigger problems |
| 14:29 |
dignork |
Mallstromm, I assume LE sniffing bitbet traffic |
| 14:30 |
Mallstromm |
dignork: I've used bitcoinfog many times. It works just fine. They've been in business for more than a year now. It's as safe as it gets. Just do not send hundreds of coins but a few dozens at a time |
| 14:30 |
MisterE |
hah, people are selling off interest in their coins locked up in Cox |
| 14:30 |
nubbins` |
"as safe as it gets" |
| 14:30 |
asciilifeform |
dignork, Mallstromm: if you're using tor, children are sniffing your traffic |
| 14:30 |
nubbins` |
get out |
| 14:30 |
asciilifeform |
and laughing. |
| 14:30 |
MisterE |
sounds like CDF to me |
| 14:30 |
mircea_popescu |
Mallstromm may i point out that the firm guarantees of nobody are worth nothing ? |
| 14:31 |
mircea_popescu |
get in the wot, come back in a year, i might care. probably i won't, but anywya. |
| 14:31 |
nubbins` |
maybe i'm just being obtuse, but i'm not sure where the confusion is here |
| 14:31 |
MisterE |
but in person |
| 14:31 |
MisterE |
buy* |
| 14:31 |
MisterE |
only tru anon |
| 14:31 |
dignork |
asciilifeform, sure, exit nodes are sniffing, or at least could, so it's a working assumption |
| 14:32 |
Mallstromm |
sure, exit nodes are sniffing my encrypted traffic |
| 14:32 |
Mallstromm |
good for them |
| 14:32 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` i'd tell you but i'm trying being polite ot the noobs. |
| 14:32 |
asciilifeform |
sniffing and, if they wish, changing. |
| 14:32 |
Mallstromm |
I'm sure not logging on my personal POP3, non-SSL email account through Tor |
| 14:32 |
Mallstromm |
:D |
| 14:32 |
asciilifeform |
what part of s/bitbetaddr/magicaddr is difficult to understand |
| 14:32 |
nubbins` |
suppose person X's traffic is being sniffed. person X sets up a private bitbet, with input address A and payout address B. sniffer observes this. sniffer now knows that person X controls address B. |
| 14:33 |
nubbins` |
hold my hand here, someone |
| 14:33 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` he knows no such thing. |
| 14:33 |
mircea_popescu |
i can use YOUR b. |
| 14:33 |
mircea_popescu |
i can use bitstamp's b |
| 14:34 |
mircea_popescu |
what now, joejobbing the bitcoin network because we're idiots and we think we can make statements about things we don;'t understand ? |
| 14:35 |
nubbins` |
okay, well, let's not get hung up on "know". fact remains that a direct connection has been made between A and B |
| 14:35 |
nubbins` |
by the sniffer |
| 14:35 |
nubbins` |
this is the essence of dignork's issue |
| 14:35 |
mircea_popescu |
where is this sniffer ? |
| 14:35 |
mircea_popescu |
bitbet side or user side ? |
| 14:36 |
nubbins` |
who cares |
| 14:36 |
dignork |
mircea_popescu: bitbet side |
| 14:36 |
nubbins` |
both sides |
| 14:36 |
asciilifeform |
given that bitbet pumps out unsigned text, there are no sides here |
| 14:36 |
nubbins` |
suppose he's in a submarine in the middle of the atlantic |
| 14:37 |
mircea_popescu |
i still don't get it. |
| 14:37 |
asciilifeform |
the man in the middle can present arbitrary crap instead of what bitbet pumped out. |
| 14:37 |
mircea_popescu |
so you ask for an address to bet, and insert an address to receive. |
| 14:38 |
mircea_popescu |
this now creates an association, you say ? |
| 14:38 |
asciilifeform |
(my observation was about plain theft, rather than de-anonymization) |
| 14:39 |
nubbins` |
i do say |
| 14:39 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform there is a barb here. bitbet addresses are rather consecutive if you've noticed. |
| 14:39 |
asciilifeform |
so swap out the 'send winnings to' addr |
| 14:40 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform but the person can trivially verify this. |
| 14:40 |
mircea_popescu |
send 1 bitcent first |
| 14:40 |
asciilifeform |
while, when bitbet replies, preserve the genuine addr (that user pasted) in the text. |
| 14:40 |
mircea_popescu |
that shows you on the site where it thinks btc is going out. |
| 14:41 |
mircea_popescu |
so you know, if you're worried, do it like that |
| 14:41 |
mircea_popescu |
and you might even catch the rabbit. |
| 14:41 |
asciilifeform |
anyone actually do this? |
| 14:41 |
mircea_popescu |
if they give a shit they can |
| 14:41 |
mircea_popescu |
if they do not they don't have to. |
| 14:41 |
mircea_popescu |
perfect security model. |
| 14:41 |
asciilifeform |
trivial exercise: pump bitcoin addrs through tor (exits), see what comes out on the other end. |
| 14:41 |
mircea_popescu |
at any rate this is why bitbet addresses work the way they do on this score. |
| 14:41 |
mircea_popescu |
surely. |
| 14:43 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` so now address A dirty is connected to A', clean |
| 14:43 |
mircea_popescu |
whereas B clean is connected to B; dirty. |
| 14:43 |
mircea_popescu |
a loses, b wins. problem solved. |
| 14:45 |
dignork |
mircea_popescu: since bet is private, the bet itself is a link between A and B, the fact that bet was established over plaintext makes it not private in general. |
| 14:45 |
mircea_popescu |
dignork i was discussing open bets. |
| 14:45 |
nubbins` |
i was discussing closed ones :( |
| 14:46 |
nubbins` |
anyway, B isn't clean, the sniffer just watched their suspect tell bitbet to pay out to B |
| 14:46 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno where this "closed bets as tumblr" thing started, but it's not so clever. |
| 14:46 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` you're not paying attention here. |
| 14:46 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2014#520070 < |
| 14:46 |
dignork |
mircea_popescu: open bets as tumbler are not usable, since the fee, which contains odds change, is unpredictable |
| 14:46 |
ozbot |
#bitcoin-assets log |
| 14:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 21 @ 0.01950488 = 0.4096 BTC [-] {5} |
| 14:47 |
mircea_popescu |
so pick bets that don't contain odds changes. |
| 14:47 |
dignork |
but they can be flatten on a series of bets, so ok, it can work |
| 14:47 |
nubbins` |
okay, so the person sniffing traffic just watched me provide two addresses, A' and B', to bitbet |
| 14:47 |
mircea_popescu |
why "you" ? |
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| 14:47 |
nubbins` |
how is that clean? |
| 14:48 |
mircea_popescu |
it watched user x with a dirty A provide A' |
| 14:48 |
nubbins` |
why not me? anyone |
| 14:48 |
mircea_popescu |
and user y with clean B provide B' |
| 14:48 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 75 @ 0.01930035 = 1.4475 BTC [-] {7} |
| 14:49 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.01910042 = 0.1146 BTC [-] |
| 14:49 |
nubbins` |
...oh |
| 14:49 |
nubbins` |
i really wasn't paying attention |
| 14:49 |
mircea_popescu |
no, the word is d'oh. |
| 14:49 |
benkay |
but this thwarts the scammer's desire to launder all their money without having any to begin with. |
| 14:50 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, this isn't so much an exercise in showing how great bitbet is for this purpose, but moreover on how trivial it is to use any properly designed service as a tumbler, |
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| 14:50 |
nubbins` |
the omission of x vs y in the original statement threw me for a loop |
| 14:50 |
mircea_popescu |
and generally how retarded this "taint" bullshit is. |
| 14:50 |
mircea_popescu |
there's no taint in bitcoin. |
| 14:51 |
mircea_popescu |
thinking otherwise is right out of the book with the flat earth, the perpetuum mobile, the keynesian economics and so on and so forth. |
| 14:51 |
mircea_popescu |
mechanical rng, generally the states of sin. |
| 14:52 |
mircea_popescu |
who the fuck in his right mind would imagine that a) tor actually serves your anonimity or b) in order to anonimize you create accounts is beyond me. |
| 14:52 |
mircea_popescu |
seriously, what is wrong with people. |
| 14:52 |
benkay |
fiat thinking takes some time to disloge |
| 14:52 |
Namworld |
create accounts? |
| 14:53 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess, but srsly... |
| 14:53 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: recall your piece on professional cattle management industry? |
| 14:53 |
mircea_popescu |
Namworld some derpy service, whatever. |
| 14:53 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i guess I HAVE TO RECALL IT |
| 14:53 |
mircea_popescu |
may i live to forget it. |
| 14:53 |
asciilifeform |
just as every NYT turd is guaranteed to mention 'mtgox, the premier exchange,...' whenever it runs a piece on btc |
| 14:53 |
asciilifeform |
it is just as mandatory to mention 'tor, anonymity...' |
| 14:53 |
mircea_popescu |
"tor, anonimity, accounts" |
| 14:54 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google "partidul, ceausescu, romania" |
| 14:54 |
gribble |
Partidul Ceausescu Romania !.flv - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gebLd51J2lc>; Partidul, Ceausescu, Romania - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz-sl9MpbQY>; Partidul Ceausescu Romania - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL57D595807E9852C9> |
| 14:54 |
asciilifeform |
nobody cancelled herr goebbels, marketing genius |
| 14:54 |
dignork |
mircea_popescu: what's wrong with tor providing anonimity? I understand it's not absolute, but still better than nothing, and cheap. |
| 14:54 |
asciilifeform |
'repeat lie' |
| 14:54 |
mircea_popescu |
dignork i think the answer is contained in your question. |
| 14:55 |
dignork |
mircea_popescu: even lame proxies/vpns provide SOME level of anonimity, the fact that they're obviously not absolute does not make them useless. |
| 14:56 |
mircea_popescu |
dignork listen here, if you're trying to not be caught cutting school, going to the bar across the street where kids cutting school go isn't your best bet. |
| 14:56 |
asciilifeform |
the creation of the most humble lamer is still an improvement over a professionally-designed honeypot. |
| 14:56 |
mircea_popescu |
even if they have these funky hats that sort-of make you invisibly unrecognisable. |
| 14:56 |
asciilifeform |
if only because it creates no illusions |
| 14:57 |
asciilifeform |
u.s. media is almost a magical oracle of what not do to |
| 14:58 |
asciilifeform |
if the puppetmasters were clever, they'd occasionally let something useful and intelligent be printed |
| 14:58 |
asciilifeform |
just to mask this fact |
| 14:58 |
mircea_popescu |
what, to be just like the soviets ? |
| 14:58 |
mircea_popescu |
some progress, please. |
| 14:58 |
asciilifeform |
haha |
| 14:59 |
dignork |
mircea_popescu: ok, you suggest that mere fact of using tor, singles you. Since Snowden-induced paranoia this might not be a case anymore. |
| 14:59 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2013/dear-guardian-stop-being-retarded/#comment-95392 |
| 14:59 |
ozbot |
Dear Guardian : stop being retarded. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 14:59 |
mircea_popescu |
see there. |
| 14:59 |
asciilifeform |
the sheer naivete. do we have to draw a picture here? |
| 15:00 |
mircea_popescu |
Mallstromm i hope you're taking notes. |
| 15:00 |
asciilifeform |
how long does it take to write a perlturd that tells a planted box which other units in a cage are pumping tor? |
| 15:00 |
asciilifeform |
10 minutes? |
| 15:00 |
asciilifeform |
then disks pulled, and the obvious endgame. |
| 15:02 |
davout |
why is there no "hitler has coins on gox" video yet |
| 15:02 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't think anyone actually pulls disks anymore do they ? |
| 15:02 |
mod6 |
davout: srsly. |
| 15:02 |
* |
mod6 pulls 256 ddms |
| 15:03 |
davout |
i'm out, this internet sux |
| 15:03 |
mircea_popescu |
see you in boxxy |
| 15:03 |
Apocalyptic |
"<m7a> actually, I think right now the entire mtgox issue is pretty relevant to bitcoin as a whole" |
| 15:04 |
mircea_popescu |
Apocalyptic tell him to read moar trilema and stfu ? |
| 15:04 |
Apocalyptic |
why on earth would that be relevant ? |
| 15:04 |
dignork |
asciilifeform: pulled disk etc. This is a directed attack. I can imagine this picture, patyvans travels all over us,chaina,w/e and pull disks from all tor users. Srsly? |
| 15:04 |
Apocalyptic |
#bitcoin is turning reddit |
| 15:05 |
mircea_popescu |
a) you don't need all ; b) nobody actually pulls disks anymore. |
| 15:05 |
Apocalyptic |
mircea_popescu, probably wouldn't be able to appreciate what trilema has to offer |
| 15:05 |
mircea_popescu |
gotta give people a chance. |
| 15:08 |
dignork |
mircea_popescu: I read trilema, like your writing style and general mindset, it just doesn't mean I have to agree with everything you say |
| 15:08 |
mircea_popescu |
absolutely not. |
| 15:15 |
Mallstromm |
sure, using Tor singles you out. But if you use it correctly that's all they know - that you are using Tor. |
| 15:15 |
Mallstromm |
Of course using Tor on Windoze or OS X is just retarded |
| 15:16 |
Mallstromm |
probably modern Windoze and OSX are pumping all the data of somebody using Tor on that systems |
| 15:16 |
Mallstromm |
but on a custom linux distro is pretty safe. |
| 15:17 |
Mallstromm |
and now seriously: where is Vladimir? We need him to make a "hitler discover his coins are stuck on Gox". |
| 15:18 |
jayk |
mtgox is really kicking themselves, now they relocated offices |
| 15:19 |
kakobrekla |
physical security mebbe |
| 15:19 |
kakobrekla |
protesters almost double daily dont ya know |
| 15:19 |
jayk |
with it being so low, once the exchanges resume, i wonder if people will cash out or just let it ride till it climbs back up |
| 15:20 |
jayk |
with mtgox, do they hold your coins? |
| 15:20 |
kakobrekla |
www.ustream.tv/channel/mtgox-protest |
| 15:20 |
kakobrekla |
lmao |
| 15:21 |
kakobrekla |
www.mtgoxprotest.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/P1030097.jpg |
| 15:22 |
kakobrekla |
i dunno whats with the middle guys face, the jacket cleary says "THE NORTH FACE" |
| 15:22 |
kakobrekla |
defeats the mask wearing purpose |
| 15:22 |
jayk |
lol |
| 15:24 |
Mallstromm |
:D |
| 15:24 |
Mallstromm |
lol they seem 3 homeless |
| 15:24 |
kakobrekla |
they prolly are by now |
| 15:24 |
kakobrekla |
i dunno i just find the lappys funny on a protest |
| 15:24 |
kakobrekla |
"where is our money?" " oh well, imma gonna play some games now." |
| 15:25 |
mike_c |
they aren't playing games, they are day trading on gox |
| 15:25 |
kakobrekla |
is there a difference? |
| 15:25 |
lnovy |
graphics sucks at mtgox |
| 15:25 |
kakobrekla |
gotta preserve dat batter power |
| 15:25 |
lnovy |
but gameplay is awesome :) |
| 15:25 |
kakobrekla |
battery |
| 15:27 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0627 = 0.1254 BTC [+] |
| 15:33 |
ThickAsThieves |
ha lawsky replied to my ergonomic advice |
| 15:33 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1ygcil/as_requested_im_ben_lawsky_superintendent_of_the/cfkbz3z?context=3 |
| 15:34 |
mircea_popescu |
did he tip you ? |
| 15:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
nope, but reddit says i can add it to my resume |
| 15:36 |
Bugpowder |
that part was funny |
| 15:36 |
Apocalyptic |
^ |
| 15:38 |
kakobrekla |
so, anything good inthere? |
| 15:38 |
ThickAsThieves |
nope |
| 15:43 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 21 @ 0.01910042 = 0.4011 BTC [-] |
| 15:44 |
benkay |
!t h rent |
| 15:44 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (516 shares, 2.83800000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (5193 shares, 28.56150000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (34696 shares, 190.82800000 BTC) |
| 15:45 |
benkay |
rentalstarter seems to be in sales rate decay mode |
| 15:50 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.102 BTC [+] |
| 15:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.BBET] 2500 @ 0.00076 = 1.9 BTC [-] |
| 15:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00086683 = 10.9221 BTC [-] |
| 15:53 |
TwinWinNerD |
What do you guys think is a fair pricing for GoxCoins right now? |
| 15:54 |
kakobrekla |
davout was rite. |
| 15:55 |
davout |
wat |
| 15:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00087009 = 1.7402 BTC [+] |
| 15:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
0.0 is fair price |
| 15:57 |
Namworld |
The only thing I regret is moving funds out of MtGox before the issues. |
| 15:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
thatll go away |
| 15:58 |
Namworld |
People are buying gox BTC for 40%-60% in BTC. |
| 15:58 |
Namworld |
;;premium bitstamp mtgox |
| 15:59 |
Apocalyptic |
Namworld, much lower now |
| 15:59 |
davout |
kakobrekla: log isn't very informative |
| 15:59 |
Bugpowder |
Apocalyptic: NOPE |
| 15:59 |
Namworld |
I still see people offering 40% at a minimum. |
| 15:59 |
Bugpowder |
0.5 BTC is the current bid |
| 15:59 |
Bugpowder |
https://www.bitcoinbuilder.com |
| 15:59 |
Apocalyptic |
I saw a trade at 35% |
| 15:59 |
Namworld |
While we can buy BTC for 20% of price at other exchanges. |
| 15:59 |
Bugpowder |
it bounced |
| 15:59 |
kakobrekla |
davout i was agreeing on you re internet sucks after i saw TwinWinNerDs line. |
| 15:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
that book barely moves |
| 16:00 |
Bugpowder |
that dude that wired $50k in is gonna do well. |
| 16:00 |
davout |
kakobrekla: oic |
| 16:00 |
Bugpowder |
450 coins for $50k sheet. |
| 16:00 |
davout |
BingoBoingo: chess? |
| 16:00 |
Bugpowder |
wish I had account. |
| 16:00 |
Apocalyptic |
Bugpowder, do you believe gox is solvent ? |
| 16:01 |
Bugpowder |
sure |
| 16:01 |
Bugpowder |
how they fuck could they get the cold wallets drained. It's not plausible |
| 16:01 |
ThickAsThieves |
so what's the prediction for the next gox announcement? |
| 16:01 |
Namworld |
Even if they aren't. You can sell those 450 goxBTC for 180 BTC or 100k+ |
| 16:01 |
kakobrekla |
buy all the coins then |
| 16:01 |
Bugpowder |
them being incompetent at rolling out a code fix and terrible at communication is. |
| 16:01 |
Bugpowder |
I have no account tho |
| 16:02 |
davout |
Bugpowder: you get the cold wallets drained by having your accounting fucked with. plain and simple |
| 16:03 |
Bugpowder |
Doesn't pass the common sense test |
| 16:03 |
Namworld |
Either way, right now having fiat on gox allows to buy 2x the BTC you'd get at other exchanges. |
| 16:03 |
benkay |
^^ |
| 16:03 |
kakobrekla |
its more like 5x |
| 16:03 |
Namworld |
By reselling your gox BTC |
| 16:03 |
davout |
Bugpowder: what do you mean the common sense test? |
| 16:03 |
benkay |
"BTC" |
| 16:03 |
Namworld |
I mean if you sell it for actual, guaranteed BTC |
| 16:03 |
Namworld |
x2 |
| 16:04 |
Namworld |
otherwise, x5 |
| 16:04 |
kakobrekla |
davout i think he is trying to imply tux has one |
| 16:04 |
ThickAsThieves |
next theyll probly say authorities are investigating the malleability exploiters, so many funds and accounts are frozen until resolution |
| 16:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
dont worry your coins are safe |
| 16:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
freenode has a cold |
| 16:05 |
Bugpowder |
The test where you are like... Hey my accounting says I need to pay out 100,000BTC from the wallet and oh hey we have been manually resending 100,000BTC in transactions... And oh hey people have been telling us for months that our specific implementation is vulnerable to a malleability attack... I wonder if something is funky |
| 16:06 |
Bugpowder |
There were that many malled txns prior to 2/10 to begin with. Certainly not enough to drain the cold storage |
| 16:06 |
ThickAsThieves |
well if you are implying they noticed long ago, why did they not fix it? |
| 16:06 |
Bugpowder |
were NOT |
| 16:06 |
ThickAsThieves |
why did it escalate before being acknowledged |
| 16:06 |
Bugpowder |
I'm not implying |
| 16:06 |
kakobrekla |
its no point discussing, take your positions if you can, and wait it out |
| 16:07 |
Bugpowder |
It is a known fact that many devs told them their method was vulnerable |
| 16:07 |
mircea_popescu |
<Bugpowder> how they fuck could they get the cold wallets drained. It's not plausible << what exactly is not plausible about it ? |
| 16:07 |
Bugpowder |
At least according to aantop's latest podcast |
| 16:07 |
ThickAsThieves |
<Bugpowder> There were that many malled txns prior to 2/10 to begin with. Certainly not enough to drain the cold storage ... source? |
| 16:07 |
ThickAsThieves |
i recall linking charts for at least a week or two before |
| 16:07 |
ThickAsThieves |
showing escalating frozen wd's |
| 16:08 |
Apocalyptic |
so do I |
| 16:08 |
Bugpowder |
yeah, that's all I saw too |
| 16:08 |
Apocalyptic |
Bugpowder, common sense would indicate you exactly otherwise |
| 16:08 |
Bugpowder |
I just don't think its plausible for them to be that stupid |
| 16:08 |
Bugpowder |
but I guess the market thinks differently |
| 16:08 |
mircea_popescu |
Bugpowder wait, you are actually buying the "malleable tx" bs ?!~ |
| 16:08 |
Bugpowder |
I think they lost 10k BTC tops |
| 16:08 |
ThickAsThieves |
<Bugpowder> At least according to aantop's latest podcast /// what makes him reputable? |
| 16:08 |
mircea_popescu |
dude. |
| 16:09 |
Bugpowder |
for MtGox yes |
| 16:09 |
mircea_popescu |
THEY STOLE IT. |
| 16:09 |
mircea_popescu |
they did not lose anything. |
| 16:09 |
Bugpowder |
SR2 stole it |
| 16:09 |
mircea_popescu |
sigh. |
| 16:09 |
Apocalyptic |
Bugpowder seems like another sturles, mtgox diehard fan |
| 16:09 |
mircea_popescu |
looky : tux made the "malleable tx" |
| 16:09 |
mircea_popescu |
it's not any third party. |
| 16:09 |
ThickAsThieves |
Bugpowder why is an arbitrary amount like 10k reasonable, but not much more? |
| 16:09 |
Apocalyptic |
but I may be wrong |
| 16:09 |
ThickAsThieves |
pulling number out ass? |
| 16:09 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48001001 BTC [-] |
| 16:09 |
mircea_popescu |
it's just the perfect smoke cover, because people suffer from some sort of very particular brain issue. |
| 16:10 |
Bugpowder |
If the hypothesis is that mtgox actively embezzled funds... Well that is a possibility. |
| 16:10 |
mircea_popescu |
sigh |
| 16:10 |
jborkl |
watcging the youtube video of the guy camping and confronting Karpeles, they stole it |
| 16:10 |
jborkl |
watching |
| 16:10 |
Bugpowder |
But that doesn't make sense. Police care about this shit now |
| 16:10 |
mircea_popescu |
o right. |
| 16:10 |
ThickAsThieves |
i assume gox committed every crime possible in regards to exploiting their system |
| 16:10 |
Bugpowder |
He will go to jail |
| 16:10 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 104 @ 0.00460227 = 0.4786 BTC [-] {2} |
| 16:10 |
mircea_popescu |
this is a perfect argument. |
| 16:11 |
mircea_popescu |
a guy who has been runing fractional reserve since ~2011, and who has lied on paperwork submitted |
| 16:11 |
mircea_popescu |
was NOT going to jail before |
| 16:11 |
jborkl |
and I read the report about the txn problems, someone did a blockchain analysis of the Push_whatever attack- the attack started 2 days after Gox got hit |
| 16:11 |
mircea_popescu |
and stealing the wallets is totally unreasonable, because he's going to jail. |
| 16:11 |
mircea_popescu |
you need a thinking hat. |
| 16:11 |
Bugpowder |
He is going to much more jail if he straight plundered it all. |
| 16:11 |
mircea_popescu |
derp. |
| 16:11 |
mircea_popescu |
he was going to jail anyway. |
| 16:11 |
ThickAsThieves |
to hell with him! |
| 16:11 |
mircea_popescu |
he didn't have the bitcoinica funds to pay back. |
| 16:12 |
jborkl |
That is the proof in the report, it showed there were no malformed txn even reported on the day Gox said |
| 16:12 |
jborkl |
let me find it |
| 16:12 |
Bugpowder |
show us the data please! |
| 16:12 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48001 BTC [-] |
| 16:12 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00460227 = 0.4602 BTC [-] {2} |
| 16:12 |
Namworld |
MtGox reeks of manipulation, purposeful fails and etc. |
| 16:13 |
Namworld |
No problem stealing your own business under the eyes of authorities. Right in front of them. |
| 16:13 |
the20year2 |
New rentalstarter update - We have preliminary acceptance by seller on the 3 unit property. 3 units at $67k |
| 16:13 |
Namworld |
Done properly, no evidence. It's quite possible. |
| 16:13 |
mike_c |
MPOE market maker uptime since Jan 3: http://i.imgur.com/lwu9eMs.png |
| 16:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
i bet it could be forensicly proven gox is manipulating |
| 16:13 |
Namworld |
At a minimum, they manipulate price for a profit. |
| 16:14 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c why the pikes ? |
| 16:14 |
mike_c |
little blips of up/down time i guess. |
| 16:15 |
Namworld |
How? Mark can just claim he had to do all these haltings because of issues. |
| 16:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
mike_c, plot it against price |
| 16:15 |
mike_c |
price of what? |
| 16:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
the index it uses |
| 16:15 |
benkay |
actually plot it against implied vol |
| 16:15 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c so either 0 or 1 ? |
| 16:15 |
Namworld |
How would one prove that's not the case? |
| 16:15 |
mike_c |
yah, 0 is down, 1 is up |
| 16:15 |
benkay |
IMPLIED VOL |
| 16:15 |
jborkl |
Those are not BTC being traded anyway, they are Gox coins until they prove they have the reserve to back it |
| 16:16 |
mircea_popescu |
no way tho, you mean it was down pretty much solid 8 to 10 jan ? |
| 16:16 |
ThickAsThieves |
namworld, by analyzing and auditing book behavior |
| 16:16 |
mike_c |
yeah, seem nuts? i can check data. |
| 16:16 |
mircea_popescu |
it does seem nuts. |
| 16:17 |
mircea_popescu |
also definitely was quoting on the 1st of feb |
| 16:17 |
mike_c |
kk, disregard, i did some spot checking on downtimes but maybe not enough. i'll verify. |
| 16:18 |
Namworld |
TaT, how would that help? I didn't say manipulate through fake orders. Just through haltings, bad news, etc. |
| 16:18 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c is this based on like 1 sampling/day ? |
| 16:18 |
mike_c |
polling every 2 minutes |
| 16:18 |
mircea_popescu |
so then why 1/0 ? |
| 16:18 |
mike_c |
the graph has a 2 minute resolution |
| 16:18 |
mircea_popescu |
from that graph it either was down an entire day or up an entire day or some shit |
| 16:19 |
mike_c |
no, not all the pikes are on tick marks |
| 16:19 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c it can't possibly have 2 min resolution seeing how you have what, 20 pixels in each day |
| 16:19 |
mircea_popescu |
and a day is longer than 40 minutes |
| 16:19 |
ThickAsThieves |
namworld you lost me, i'll i'm saying is i bet if the right people spend the right amount of time looking at orders placed and filled, you'd see gox tzking everyone for a ride |
| 16:19 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: not for french civil servants |
| 16:20 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 16:20 |
Namworld |
Perhaps |
| 16:20 |
mike_c |
the data has a 2 minute resolution. the graph is obv. somewhat less, but it is taken from that data. |
| 16:20 |
mircea_popescu |
so then shouldn't i be seeing averaging ? |
| 16:20 |
mircea_popescu |
and consequently, values other than 1 and 0 ? |
| 16:21 |
mike_c |
no, it's not bucketed. |
| 16:21 |
mike_c |
if you zoomed in on the graph (not the png), you would get to 2 minute resolution |
| 16:21 |
mircea_popescu |
look, bucketed or not, this can't be that. |
| 16:21 |
mircea_popescu |
hm |
| 16:21 |
mike_c |
ok, first off, let me make sure the down/up is accurate in january. |
| 16:21 |
mike_c |
brb |
| 16:21 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm off for now, but we continue this tomorro. |
| 16:22 |
mike_c |
ok |
| 16:22 |
jborkl |
One puzzle is that Mt.Gox announced their difficulties on Feb 7, and then explained Feb 10 that they were stopping withdrawals due to a malleability attack. Since the OP_PUSHDATA2 attack didn't start until Feb 9, this attack can't be responsible for the Feb 7 problems. One possibility is there was a different type of malleability attack that affected Mt.Gox. It would be interesting to get the hash |
| 16:22 |
jborkl |
for one of the affected transactions from before Feb 7, to see what was going on. |
| 16:23 |
jborkl |
now let me find the data that was posted |
| 16:29 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 24 @ 0.05656291 = 1.3575 BTC [-] {6} |
| 16:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12896 @ 0.00087011 = 11.2209 BTC [+] {2} |
| 16:30 |
Bugpowder |
At first glance, this does not seem encouraging. |
| 16:30 |
Bugpowder |
https://blockchain.info/address/1LNWw6yCxkUmkhArb2Nf2MPw6vG7u5WG7q |
| 16:30 |
ozbot |
Bitcoin Address 1LNWw6yCxkUmkhArb2Nf2MPw6vG7u5WG7q |
| 16:31 |
davout |
jborkl: it's not impossible that the massive "let's fuck with every single tx floating around" isn't the same attack mtgox is referring to |
| 16:32 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=CABsx9T3%2BTOQ6c7%3DqEhOoc%2BtYSp%3Djba-o8MA3Z8N9t05BDdYS5w%40mail.gmail.com&forum_name=bitcoin-development |
| 16:32 |
ozbot |
SourceForge.net: Bitcoin: bitcoin-development |
| 16:35 |
Namworld |
What's not good with that, Bugpowder? |
| 16:36 |
Bugpowder |
The balance is zero |
| 16:36 |
Bugpowder |
where are the other mtgox addresses? |
| 16:36 |
Bugpowder |
That was the address they sent 500,000BTC to back in 2011. |
| 16:37 |
Bugpowder |
https://blockchain.info/address/1DbD7zFjYSQRiATc8dHxWUWSM9YmQYR9JW |
| 16:37 |
ozbot |
Bitcoin Address 1DbD7zFjYSQRiATc8dHxWUWSM9YmQYR9JW |
| 16:38 |
jborkl |
davout, the person scanned for all transactions that uses op_pushdata, from what I understand that should be very limited to a certain problem being fixed- normally about 40 a day- it was 19 I think on Feb 7th and did not rise until the 10th |
| 16:39 |
Namworld |
Is that the MtGox green address? |
| 16:39 |
jborkl |
so, it would seem there would have to be two different ways used or Mtgox was super duper special and got hit with a unique attack that was used on no one else |
| 16:39 |
davout |
Namworld: green addresses wow |
| 16:40 |
bones` |
RIP |
| 16:40 |
Bugpowder |
I am downloading the transaction history of that address |
| 16:40 |
Bugpowder |
looking for a single big transfer to a putative cold wallet |
| 16:41 |
kakobrekla |
>1.) Unfortunately, we don't have a financial report yet. Putting one together is going to be a very time consuming process, and we don't have the time quite yet. Soon though. |
| 16:41 |
kakobrekla |
guess who |
| 16:45 |
kakobrekla |
well whatever you are no fun |
| 16:45 |
kakobrekla |
it goes on |
| 16:45 |
kakobrekla |
>2.) The "missing div" period was a result of very bad luck. Right now we don't have any way to prove this, but its what happened. |
| 16:45 |
mike_c |
cbtc? |
| 16:45 |
ThickAsThieves |
ciphermine? |
| 16:45 |
jborkl |
http://www.righto.com/2014/02/the-bitcoin-malleability-attack-hour-by.html |
| 16:45 |
ozbot |
Ken Shirriff's blog: The Bitcoin malleability attack graphed hour by hour |
| 16:45 |
kakobrekla |
nope! |
| 16:45 |
kakobrekla |
and NOPE |
| 16:45 |
jborkl |
http://www.righto.com/2014/02/the-bitcoin-malleability-attack-hour-by.html |
| 16:45 |
ozbot |
Ken Shirriff's blog: The Bitcoin malleability attack graphed hour by hour |
| 16:45 |
Bugpowder |
found the output |
| 16:45 |
Bugpowder |
13faR1RRm9ZkTiQkAnCcbRoajtvNscojEM |
| 16:45 |
kakobrekla |
now im dissapoint |
| 16:45 |
mike_c |
bitbet? |
| 16:46 |
kakobrekla |
now you are trolling |
| 16:46 |
kakobrekla |
anyway, its coming from the mouth of new cog pr named samuel |
| 16:46 |
kakobrekla |
prolly lab con guy or what |
| 16:48 |
Bugpowder |
oh i followed the chain... comes back to 1LNW... |
| 16:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
yeah |
| 16:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
more clicking |
| 16:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 1.80943206 BTC to 321`963 shares, 562 satoshi per share |
| 17:01 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1023 BTC [+] |
| 17:09 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 665 @ 0.00018897 = 0.1257 BTC [-] |
| 17:13 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.000855 = 0.171 BTC [+] |
| 17:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16429 @ 0.00087112 = 14.3116 BTC [+] {3} |
| 17:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00292 = 0.146 BTC [-] |
| 17:29 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00460227 = 0.2761 BTC [+] {2} |
| 17:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00226762 = 1.0204 BTC [+] |
| 17:31 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 87 @ 0.00299919 = 0.2609 BTC [+] {2} |
| 17:36 |
kakobrekla |
i dont even notice since i disabled joins and quits |
| 17:37 |
kakobrekla |
but its much better experience ircing this way |
| 17:37 |
kakobrekla |
less noise. |
| 17:37 |
mike_c |
just don't tell anyone what we talked about while OTR there. |
| 17:37 |
kakobrekla |
:) |
| 17:38 |
mike_c |
;;later tell mircea_popescu you were right, graph was clumping data points. here it is fixed: http://i.imgur.com/LgHsdOq.png |
| 17:39 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-] |
| 17:39 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 35 @ 0.47149599 = 16.5024 BTC [-] {8} |
| 17:39 |
jurov |
in all respect, it's not fixed |
| 17:39 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 17:39 |
mike_c |
why not? looks fixed to me |
| 17:40 |
jurov |
the times where it went up and down often don't give any useful info |
| 17:40 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 70 @ 0.08058349 = 5.6408 BTC [+] {26} |
| 17:40 |
mike_c |
hm. is it not useful that it went up and down often? |
| 17:40 |
jurov |
better would be really to show average uptime in the period |
| 17:40 |
jurov |
you know how mpoe bot works? |
| 17:41 |
jurov |
it places orders with some random expiration time |
| 17:41 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00460228 = 0.1335 BTC [+] |
| 17:41 |
jurov |
and then sleps for random time too, perhaps |
| 17:41 |
jurov |
so it's usual there are none or two same auotes at once even if all is okay |
| 17:41 |
jurov |
*quotes |
| 17:42 |
kakobrekla |
and you can exercise both quotes? |
| 17:43 |
jurov |
why not? |
| 17:43 |
mike_c |
ah, i did not know that. well, it is accurate now at least. could be improved for usefulness. my interest was mostly looking for extended downtime stretches. |
| 17:43 |
kakobrekla |
double exposure? |
| 17:43 |
jurov |
but it doesn't take long usually |
| 17:44 |
jurov |
mp is keen to be unpredictable. back in 2012 mpex even paid btc interest at random time every day |
| 17:45 |
jurov |
there was no information in STAT how much |
| 17:45 |
jurov |
fortunately, before i can i pull my hair about it, it was canceled |
| 17:45 |
jurov |
*i could |
| 17:46 |
kakobrekla |
wasnt it ticking all the time? |
| 17:46 |
kakobrekla |
iirc twas pulled cause server load or something |
| 17:46 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2020 @ 0.00018901 = 0.3818 BTC [+] {4} |
| 17:46 |
jurov |
don't remember |
| 17:48 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4671 @ 0.00021168 = 0.9888 BTC [+] {7} |
| 17:49 |
kakobrekla |
my brain tends to remember useless things such as that |
| 17:51 |
jurov |
yeah, cuz there are millions of mpex accounts |
| 17:52 |
jurov |
no i recall something about mp saying he can't do anything useful and safe with the bitcoins anyway |
| 17:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.10480001 = 0.2096 BTC [+] |
| 17:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07245931 = 0.1449 BTC [+] |
| 17:57 |
kakobrekla |
http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=72 |
| 17:57 |
kakobrekla |
lol |
| 17:57 |
ozbot |
#bitcoin-assets bash |
| 17:58 |
kakobrekla |
when did this cherry happen |
| 17:58 |
* |
kakobrekla digs logs |
| 18:05 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.righto.com/2014/02/ascii-bernanke-wikileaks-photographs.html |
| 18:06 |
ozbot |
Ken Shirriff's blog: Hidden surprises in the Bitcoin blockchain and how they are stored: Nelson Mand |
| 18:07 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.righto.com/2013/11/how-hacker-news-ranking-really-works.html |
| 18:07 |
ozbot |
Ken Shirriff's blog: How Hacker News ranking really works: scoring, controversy, and penalties |
| 18:08 |
asciilifeform |
'...Anything with "NSA" in the title is penalized and drops off quickly.' |
| 18:08 |
asciilifeform |
'... Severing ties with the NSA started off with a NSA penalty but was so hugely popular it still got the #1 spot. However, it was quickly given an even bigger penalty, forcing it down the page.' |
| 18:08 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.10480001 BTC [+] |
| 18:11 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 43 @ 0.0055 = 0.2365 BTC |
| 18:14 |
nubbins` |
so, havelock |
| 18:16 |
nubbins` |
setting aside this whole "we're locking your account if you don't have 2FA enabled" |
| 18:17 |
nubbins` |
i wonder are they going to keep the same setup for s.mg (run through a coinbr account) or if they have/will have a direct mpex account |
| 18:18 |
nubbins` |
also, pretty hard to claim that 10btc bounty when the site won't load ;( |
| 18:18 |
Bugpowder |
#mtgox channel is muted. |
| 18:19 |
kakobrekla |
:D |
| 18:19 |
nubbins` |
fools, they should just blanket +q on join |
| 18:22 |
ThickAsThieves |
<nubbins`> i wonder are they going to keep the same setup for s.mg (run through a coinbr account) or if they have/will have a direct mpex account /// it already is |
| 18:22 |
nubbins` |
it already is what? |
| 18:22 |
ThickAsThieves |
it was only a coinbr thing for the first week |
| 18:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
then i got mpex |
| 18:23 |
nubbins` |
oh, the overview page still says it's going through coinbr |
| 18:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
the shares will be transferred to their mpex |
| 18:23 |
* |
nubbins` nods |
| 18:24 |
nubbins` |
gotta say, those guys seem more like rank amateurs every day |
| 18:25 |
ThickAsThieves |
i suppose they would quite literally be amateurs, and we all know that already |
| 18:25 |
ThickAsThieves |
not like they have experienc erunning exchanges |
| 18:25 |
ThickAsThieves |
or claimed to |
| 18:26 |
nubbins` |
or secure websites |
| 18:26 |
nubbins` |
for any definition of secure |
| 18:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
i do think auto-locking accounts is an odd move |
| 18:27 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 145 @ 0.000855 = 0.124 BTC [+] |
| 18:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
maybe okay if you feel like youve been compromised or something |
| 18:27 |
nubbins` |
just one more odd move in a long string of them |
| 18:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
seems more likely this was because the software change made the situation easier this way |
| 18:28 |
ThickAsThieves |
cavirtex is definitely making some insulting moves |
| 18:28 |
nubbins` |
they were patching up basic-level security holes are recently as last summer |
| 18:28 |
nubbins` |
cavirtex is shady as fuck too, tbh |
| 18:29 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.10480001 = 0.2096 BTC [+] |
| 18:29 |
nubbins` |
shame, since there's no trustworthy CAD exchanges |
| 18:29 |
pankkake |
the unlocking does not require anything, just ask for it to be unlocked |
| 18:29 |
pankkake |
so this is basically a "are you alive" probe |
| 18:30 |
pankkake |
I signed the request with my gpg key for good measure, but… |
| 18:30 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 104 @ 0.0055 = 0.572 BTC {2} |
| 18:30 |
nubbins` |
but they don't give a fuck if you do or not |
| 18:31 |
nubbins` |
tbh, how do they even know if that's your gpg key or not |
| 18:31 |
nubbins` |
s/tbh/tbf |
| 18:32 |
pankkake |
you can't, unless you see that key used elsewhere or signed by others |
| 18:32 |
nubbins` |
nod |
| 18:32 |
nubbins` |
you might as well have included a photograph of yourself as a young man |
| 18:32 |
pankkake |
you can actually put images as GPG identities :) |
| 18:32 |
nubbins` |
problem solved! :D |
| 18:33 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06215005 = 0.2486 BTC [-] {3} |
| |
~ 18 minutes ~ |
| 18:52 |
r3wt |
;;bcauth r3wt |
| 18:52 |
gribble |
Request successful for user r3wt, hostmask r3wt!add82c3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.216.44.61. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:624dc741886c82e2a81b4d16bcc0b6ba784d79ab89954e305f5449c3 |
| 18:52 |
r3wt |
Vexual: are you here |
| 18:53 |
nubbins` |
depends on your definition of here |
| 18:54 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.10480001 BTC [+] |
| 18:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24295 @ 0.00087189 = 21.1826 BTC [+] |
| 18:56 |
r3wt |
if you see him, let him know i imported that key finally |
| 18:56 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.10480001 = 0.2096 BTC [+] |
| 18:56 |
nubbins` |
why not do a ;;later tell vexual :) |
| 18:57 |
r3wt |
i'm still a nub and not familiar with all the commands |
| 18:57 |
nubbins` |
just type ;;later tell vexual <message> |
| 18:58 |
r3wt |
;;later tell Vexual i imported that private key. lets arrange a time to chat |
| 18:58 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 18:58 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] |
| 18:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.02098174 = 0.2308 BTC [+] {3} |
| 19:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00087234 = 9.9011 BTC [+] {2} |
| 19:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00087254 = 9.2489 BTC [+] |
| 19:38 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 120 @ 0.00460294 = 0.5524 BTC [-] {10} |
| 19:39 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.00460001 = 0.1794 BTC [-] {2} |
| 19:41 |
Bugpowder |
They question is not "to buy or not to buy?", rather, "when to buy?" |
| 19:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00086962 = 13.2182 BTC [-] {3} |
| 19:43 |
Namworld |
Never? |
| 19:43 |
kakobrekla |
no data yet |
| 19:44 |
Namworld |
Why buy when you can earn? |
| 19:58 |
Namworld |
MtGox about to go 2 digits |
| 19:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00087254 = 9.3362 BTC [+] |
| 20:00 |
Duffer1_ |
why isn't the opposite true? |
| 20:00 |
kakobrekla |
2 digits going to mtgox? |
| 20:00 |
kakobrekla |
that cant possibly be |
| 20:00 |
nubbins` |
heh |
| 20:00 |
Duffer1_ |
i mean, why do people believe getting fiat out of Gox will be easier than getting BTC out of gox (thus causing the price of BTC to increase) |
| 20:01 |
kakobrekla |
no amount of digits is going to gox! |
| 20:01 |
nubbins` |
who knows? |
| 20:01 |
nubbins` |
why did people believe gox could be trusted with funds in the first place |
| 20:01 |
kakobrekla |
why did people believe <every scam in btcland> could be trusted with funds in the first place |
| 20:02 |
Duffer1_ |
sure but with money trapped their already it's now a question of what people believe they'll have an easier time withdrawing from gox |
| 20:02 |
Duffer1_ |
there* |
| 20:11 |
kakobrekla |
kraken: Hi Everyone - we are working on a major re-design for the site (no, I don't know when it will come out). |
| 20:11 |
kakobrekla |
didnt they lauch like last week? |
| 20:11 |
kakobrekla |
launch |
| 20:12 |
kakobrekla |
also they added fucking dogecoin |
| 20:12 |
kakobrekla |
un fucking believable |
| 20:13 |
wao-ender |
nice |
| 20:13 |
kakobrekla |
yes, if by nice you mean retarded, we agree. |
| 20:15 |
Namworld |
nice as in, let the mythical creatures (kraken, doge, etc) stick together. |
| 20:17 |
kakobrekla |
http://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/436663439214120960 |
| 20:17 |
kakobrekla |
lel |
| 20:19 |
nubbins` |
it saddens me when "exchanges" add things like doge |
| 20:19 |
nubbins` |
even ltc |
| 20:21 |
kakobrekla |
but kraken is hip! |
| 20:21 |
kakobrekla |
look at the css |
| 20:21 |
kakobrekla |
its amazing |
| 20:21 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
| 20:23 |
nullp |
;baratio bitstamp |
| 20:24 |
kakobrekla |
the what? |
| 20:25 |
ThickAsThieves |
here comes 99! |
| 20:26 |
kakobrekla |
too bad it wont go to 0 |
| 20:26 |
Namworld |
MtGox 2 digits |
| 20:26 |
kakobrekla |
;;premium bitstamp mtgox |
| 20:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
to the core! |
| 20:26 |
gribble |
Premium of Bitstamp over MtGox is currently 456.444069231 %. |
| 20:26 |
Namworld |
Cusipzzz 50 retest prediction right. |
| 20:26 |
Namworld |
On gox only |
| 20:26 |
Namworld |
We're going for it ._. |
| 20:27 |
kakobrekla |
dunno where these coins are comming from |
| 20:27 |
kakobrekla |
book seems kinda empty |
| 20:27 |
kakobrekla |
could be fractional coins |
| 20:27 |
Namworld |
book has been empty since like 900 USD per BTC |
| 20:28 |
kakobrekla |
on top of everything |
| 20:28 |
kakobrekla |
but what does this achieve |
| 20:28 |
kakobrekla |
more usd in goxes hands |
| 20:28 |
Namworld |
Should have put a 100 BTC short with x100 leverage as soon as bad news hit... if only there was a place to do that. |
| 20:29 |
MisterE |
Lots of people got cold Coxed heh |
| 20:29 |
MisterE |
I'm all in fiat |
| 20:29 |
Namworld |
I could bounce the price back to 900 by closing the short. |
| 20:29 |
kakobrekla |
MisterE you are on gox? |
| 20:29 |
MisterE |
fuck no |
| 20:29 |
MisterE |
their shitty premium and verification process |
| 20:29 |
MisterE |
I'm glad they failed like a cancer fallen off |
| 20:30 |
MisterE |
plus Japanese lie about everything for a long time before you get the real story |
| 20:30 |
kakobrekla |
he is french |
| 20:30 |
pankkake |
worse |
| 20:30 |
nubbins` |
HEH |
| 20:30 |
MisterE |
^ |
| 20:31 |
pankkake |
he's fat and french, even more suspicious |
| 20:32 |
MisterE |
Trollbox is poppin today |
| 20:34 |
MisterE |
Trollbox: "Overstock cancelling bitcoin orders now" |
| 20:35 |
MisterE |
gonna go so low and I;m a buy them all |
| 20:37 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06200008 = 0.248 BTC [-] {2} |
| 20:37 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.1011 = 0.4044 BTC [-] {2} |
| 20:37 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-] {2} |
| 20:41 |
Namworld |
This is great. We're not at like x10 the price of 1.5 year ago. |
| 20:41 |
Namworld |
BTC is growing fast man, so fast. Can't believe. |
| 20:43 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 23 @ 0.10091304 = 2.321 BTC [-] {3} |
| 20:53 |
Duffer1_ |
a moment for Gox https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ4xA5Cggp4 |
| 20:53 |
Duffer1_ |
RIP my friend |
| 21:07 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0710006 = 1.42 BTC [-] {3} |
| 21:12 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00086873 = 7.862 BTC [-] {2} |
| 21:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00086821 = 3.2992 BTC [-] |
| 21:16 |
Vexual |
the lack of breakfast egg down the fron't of his magical tshirt is cause for suspicion |
| 21:16 |
cazalla |
RIP in peace |
| 21:17 |
Vexual |
@150 they may have executed self insurance |
| 21:17 |
Vexual |
covered any losses and such |
| 21:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8912 @ 0.00087387 = 7.7879 BTC [+] {3} |
| 21:32 |
mike_c |
gox back over 100! to the moon! |
| 21:34 |
Vexual |
if they get back, some will make some coin and be happy, like that fat french chep emerging from his kitchen 3 hours later with your roast duck |
| 21:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00086821 = 7.9875 BTC [-] |
| 21:38 |
Vexual |
theyre good at being bad |
| 21:49 |
Vexual |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt6LqblW1Vo |
| 22:01 |
Vexual |
to the atc trader, it seems r3wt saved my pittance from satoshis locker, so I will be trading again on both exchanges |
| 22:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00087412 = 0.6993 BTC [+] |
| 22:04 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.securelist.com/en/analysis/204792325/Absolute_Computrace_Revisited |
| 22:06 |
Apocalyptic |
Vexual, have fun on Openex's spread |
| 22:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00087518 = 9.4957 BTC [+] {3} |
| 22:07 |
Vexual |
ug |
| 22:07 |
Vexual |
we can find a price |
| 22:09 |
Vexual |
asciilifeorm, why aren't bioses bigger? |
| 22:09 |
Vexual |
storage is cheap now |
| 22:09 |
asciilifeform |
Vexual: they're mighty big, if you ask me |
| 22:10 |
asciilifeform |
you can fit just about anything in 4-8M |
| 22:11 |
Vexual |
titties on the boot screen, thats as advanced as i get |
| 22:15 |
Vexual |
is there such thing as a write once bios? |
| 22:15 |
asciilifeform |
Vexual: those used to be standard. |
| 22:16 |
Vexual |
circa? |
| 22:16 |
asciilifeform |
e.g. the mask ROMs found in most 1980s hardware |
| 22:16 |
Vexual |
ah |
| 22:17 |
asciilifeform |
in late '80s, EPROM (erasable), programmed by removing and baking under uv light to erase, and writing in a gadget built for the purpose |
| 22:17 |
asciilifeform |
then, EEPROM (electrically erasable) |
| 22:17 |
asciilifeform |
no uv needed |
| 22:17 |
Vexual |
you can make it in your kitchen? |
| 22:18 |
asciilifeform |
and finally, modern 'flash', which is really an eeprom that operates on ordinary logic voltage |
| 22:18 |
asciilifeform |
(rather than the 12v or so 'erase' rail that was once needed) |
| 22:18 |
asciilifeform |
kitchen? |
| 22:18 |
Vexual |
lab? |
| 22:18 |
asciilifeform |
if you need to read/write old roms, consult arcade machine enthusiasts |
| 22:19 |
Vexual |
they still us eit? |
| 22:19 |
asciilifeform |
example: |
| 22:19 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1066 |
| 22:19 |
asciilifeform |
little bugger on the bottom-right of 1st shot is eprom |
| 22:19 |
asciilifeform |
(top left of 2nd shot, with electrical tape over window) |
| 22:19 |
asciilifeform |
http://loper-os.nfshost.com/wp-content/mwredux/rom.jpg |
| 22:20 |
asciilifeform |
bottom two photos: ad-hoc reader |
| 22:20 |
asciilifeform |
(add 3 wires and 12v rail, it would write) |
| 22:21 |
Vexual |
mmmm so lpt |
| 22:21 |
asciilifeform |
quick&dirty, works. |
| 22:21 |
Vexual |
sexy |
| 22:21 |
asciilifeform |
modern pc rarely comes with lpt, i've a pcie card with one just for such occasions. |
| 22:22 |
Vexual |
i like how you can ruin shit pugging them in |
| 22:22 |
asciilifeform |
? |
| 22:24 |
Vexual |
plugging in a printer in the old days with things turned on occasionally fried motherboards |
| 22:24 |
asciilifeform |
ground loop. |
| 22:26 |
Vexual |
i/o wasnt meant to be easy |
| 22:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6289 @ 0.00087613 = 5.51 BTC [+] |
| 22:26 |
asciilifeform |
paradoxically, i/o was much easier (from designer's point of view) in those days. |
| 22:26 |
asciilifeform |
usb is a first-class bitch. |
| 22:27 |
Vexual |
bill gates evilest contibutiuon |
| 22:27 |
asciilifeform |
blame apple for usb |
| 22:27 |
Vexual |
? |
| 22:27 |
asciilifeform |
they introduced it |
| 22:27 |
asciilifeform |
it's a refinement of their earlier 'adb' |
| 22:28 |
asciilifeform |
(the DIN plugs seen on pre-usb apple keyboards and mice) |
| 22:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.06233334 = 0.187 BTC [+] {3} |
| 22:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1011 = 0.3033 BTC [-] {3} |
| 22:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-] {3} |
| 22:28 |
Vexual |
oh |
| 22:28 |
asciilifeform |
usb is a highly-stateful protocol with a book-length standard |
| |
↖ |
| 22:29 |
asciilifeform |
vs. something like rs-232, which can be described to a child on a napkin. |
| 22:29 |
asciilifeform |
or lpt, where there is no protocol to speak of, only a bunch of wires with controllable logic high/low. |
| 22:30 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.ermicro.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/rs232_01.jpg |
| 22:31 |
asciilifeform |
https://www.zaber.com/w/images/thumb/1/13/Rs232_waveform_instruction_byte.jpg/400px-Rs232_waveform_instruction_byte.jpg |
| 22:33 |
decimation |
ascii maybe we can boot bios out of a TPM |
| 22:33 |
Vexual |
can you get a laptop with a 232 anymore? |
| 22:33 |
decimation |
and then have that TPM inside a TPM |
| 22:34 |
asciilifeform |
'we put shit in the shit so you can eat shit while you eat shit' (tpm) |
| 22:35 |
decimation |
yo dawg we heard you like security |
| 22:35 |
TomServo_ |
Vexual: Not easily from my experience. Although there are USB to RS-232 converters to be had. |
| 22:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6383 @ 0.00087386 = 5.5778 BTC [-] |
| 22:35 |
decimation |
ascii your libretto has rs-232 right |
| 22:35 |
asciilifeform |
the converters work for most purposes |
| 22:35 |
asciilifeform |
yes it does |
| 22:35 |
asciilifeform |
and lpt. |
| 22:35 |
decimation |
I've spent hours trying to get random usb-232 converters working |
| 22:35 |
decimation |
one would think the drivers would be somewhat standard |
| 22:35 |
Vexual |
me too |
| 22:35 |
asciilifeform |
(if you have a widget that wants hardware flow control, you're generally SOL with the converter) |
| 22:35 |
decimation |
not the case |
| 22:37 |
asciilifeform |
at any rate, i've worked with gadgets that would not play with any available converter. |
| 22:37 |
decimation |
I wish someone would explain why my hard drive, mouse, keyboard and printer all must use the same I/O bus |
| 22:37 |
decimation |
did eliminating the PS/2 ports really save anyone any money? I don't get it |
| 22:38 |
Vexual |
i dont own a usb kb |
| 22:38 |
asciilifeform |
Vexual: same. no kbds made after 1990 or so. |
| 22:38 |
asciilifeform |
(garbage) |
| 22:39 |
Vexual |
makes it difficult to talk to some things |
| 22:39 |
asciilifeform |
? |
| 22:39 |
decimation |
ascii have you tried those 'new' model m's from the guy who bought the factory from IBM in kentucky? |
| 22:39 |
asciilifeform |
yes. wasn't really satisfied |
| 22:39 |
asciilifeform |
mechanical quality isn't 100% there. |
| 22:39 |
TomServo_ |
I was just going to say, I feel like such an idiot for getting rid of all those model Ms |
| 22:40 |
decimation |
surely the springs on a 30 year old keyboard are starting to wear? |
| 22:40 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: nope. |
| 22:40 |
kakobrekla |
i also ditched about 5 of them |
| 22:40 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: admittedly, it was ~20 yrs. old when i got to it, so i haven't any idea of what they were like when new. |
| 22:40 |
kakobrekla |
maybe theres still some laying around |
| 22:40 |
asciilifeform |
they're still ~50 usd. on ebay and the like |
| 22:40 |
asciilifeform |
amazingly cheap for what you get. |
| 22:40 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
| 22:41 |
kakobrekla |
yes it was. |
| 22:41 |
asciilifeform |
if you're willing to clean the thing yourself, you can go as low as $10. |
| 22:41 |
asciilifeform |
keys, caps, and plastic shell overnight in enzyme-bearing dishwash liquid |
| 22:41 |
asciilifeform |
wash, rinse, repeat |
| 22:42 |
asciilifeform |
alcohol for the electricals |
| 22:43 |
decimation |
clickykeyboards.com sells them for ~$95 |
| 22:43 |
asciilifeform |
did sell. last i checked they were sold out. |
| 22:44 |
decimation |
they have some 1391401 models made in 1991 |
| 22:44 |
decimation |
My first computer was an Epson XT |
| 22:44 |
decimation |
cost like $1500 in the late 80's |
| 22:44 |
Vexual |
c64 |
| 22:45 |
decimation |
Apparently the keyboards made after 1992 were made by Lexmark |
| 22:45 |
kakobrekla |
black and yellow 286 |
| 22:46 |
decimation |
that's probably the guy who sells them today |
| 22:46 |
kakobrekla |
prolly some clone at that point |
| 22:47 |
Vexual |
i had a nice imb xt |
| 22:48 |
Vexual |
shouldn't have thrown that out |
| 22:48 |
Vexual |
even just the kb |
| 22:49 |
Duffer1 |
so here's an odd problem |
| 22:49 |
Duffer1 |
i'm unable to upload an image to any file sharing site |
| 22:50 |
Vexual |
that had a keyboard connector |
| 22:50 |
kakobrekla |
hm might as well color my irc to amber-black scheme |
| 22:50 |
decimation |
apparently in March 1991 IBM divested their hardware manufacturing to a company that became Lexmark |
| 22:50 |
Vexual |
mines all cga kako |
| 22:51 |
decimation |
Lexmark cheapened everything |
| 22:51 |
kakobrekla |
Vexual that is not as haxxing as amber |
| 23:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00087031 = 2.2193 BTC [-] |
| 23:08 |
decimation |
;;diff |
| 23:08 |
gribble |
3.1295731745222874E9 |
| 23:08 |
decimation |
.d |
| 23:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00086808 = 4.6442 BTC [-] {2} |
| 23:09 |
decimation |
;;seen ozbot |
| 23:09 |
gribble |
ozbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 hours, 1 minute, and 14 seconds ago: <ozbot> Ken Shirriff's blog: How Hacker News ranking really works: scoring, controversy, and penalties |
| 23:11 |
Vexual |
dies a derp |
| 23:11 |
Vexual |
whats amber? |
| 23:12 |
Vexual |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfS5tgNC6qw |
| 23:13 |
Vexual |
ahh 2 colour |
| 23:13 |
kakobrekla |
http://sales.hansotten.nl/uploads/msx/monitoren/IMG_6798.JPG |
| 23:14 |
Vexual |
yes i ne'r had that |
| 23:14 |
Vexual |
if i could experience jealousy or shame, i might |
| 23:18 |
Vexual |
i only know awe |
| 23:20 |
decimation |
I wonder if someone makes a decent LCD-based serial terminal |
| 23:20 |
Vexual |
i mgiht have the bits, u want aluminum or wood? |
| 23:21 |
decimation |
heh yeah it wouldn't be hard to build |
| 23:21 |
decimation |
I wouldn't mind if it were battery-powered |
| 23:22 |
Vexual |
powdercoated steel |
| 23:22 |
Bugpowder |
mircea_popescu is back! |
| 23:22 |
mircea_popescu |
heya. |
| 23:22 |
Vexual |
hey mircea |
| 23:22 |
mircea_popescu |
what disaster happened ? |
| 23:22 |
Bugpowder |
I have taken the gospel and spread fear in the hearts of men |
| 23:22 |
Bugpowder |
#mtgox chat has been muted indefinitely |
| 23:22 |
decimation |
ozbot is apparently dead |
| 23:22 |
Vexual |
the dude from gox is fat and im on my third bottle of whisky |
| 23:22 |
Bugpowder |
channel |
| 23:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4428 @ 0.00087031 = 3.8537 BTC [+] |
| 23:23 |
Bugpowder |
not chat |
| 23:23 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c that looks less dumbfoundingly no fucking way-ish. i ordered some data extracted i'll have something in a little |
| 23:23 |
mircea_popescu |
once i get to that email or w/e. |
| 23:23 |
mircea_popescu |
Bugpowder all hail. |
| 23:23 |
Bugpowder |
I watched the pie video two more times and I just can't imagine Tux being evil. So much passion for pie. |
| 23:24 |
Bugpowder |
Maybe I am seduced by the french language |
| 23:24 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe you're seduced by fatties. |
| 23:24 |
Vexual |
i know kaluah when i see it |
| 23:24 |
mircea_popescu |
what, srsly, passionate people can't lie ? what's this. |
| 23:24 |
decimation |
is that guy still camping outside of mtgox's building in tokyo? |
| 23:24 |
mike_c |
less dumbfoundingly stupid? :D assets is so affirming |
| 23:24 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c check yo privilege man. |
| 23:24 |
mircea_popescu |
at least you're here. |
| 23:25 |
mike_c |
hehe. just teasing. |
| 23:25 |
Vexual |
theyre moving to paris so they an toss insolent brits into the river |
| 23:25 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation whay wouldn't he, you know ? |
| 23:25 |
mircea_popescu |
i mean, he'd be camping somewhere else if not there, not like he has a house or anything. |
| 23:26 |
mircea_popescu |
middle class folks looking through the press always imagine that the protesters are you know, like them. house and two cars. |
| 23:26 |
Vexual |
nor coin with witch to pay for a roof |
| 23:26 |
decimation |
there are probably many actual bums who would be happy to protest for a few coins |
| 23:26 |
mircea_popescu |
right ? |
| 23:26 |
mircea_popescu |
how do you think obama clinched the elections ? |
| 23:26 |
decimation |
Karpales should be arrested by the UN for being a fat fuck |
| 23:27 |
mircea_popescu |
#occupy-bumstreet |
| 23:27 |
decimation |
busin' bums from the 'hood |
| 23:27 |
Vexual |
dont ill have another hernia |
| 23:27 |
mircea_popescu |
Vexual i hear Hernia's pretty hawt. |
| 23:29 |
Vexual |
seriously, don't make me laugh too much or ill have to pay some faggot surgeon tho render me unconcious and tke a knife to my nether regions |
| 23:29 |
decimation |
mircea, I liked your nigger story on trilema, but I was confused about the link on your second footnote - do you mean Yarvin's article posted Sep 2013? |
| 23:30 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 257 @ 0.00303966 = 0.7812 BTC [+] {2} |
| 23:30 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation yes, i do. |
| 23:31 |
decimation |
okay that makes sense then |
| 23:31 |
mircea_popescu |
a rare day when what you thought mp meant is what mp actually meant. |
| 23:31 |
mircea_popescu |
lets celebrate! |
| 23:31 |
decimation |
heh. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Mr. Yarvin reads your blog |
| 23:32 |
mircea_popescu |
it wouldn't hurt him if he did. |
| 23:32 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 909 @ 0.00020009 = 0.1819 BTC [-] |
| 23:32 |
decimation |
his early stuff was good, especially on the structure of power in the us and economics |
| 23:32 |
decimation |
low SNR though |
| 23:32 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, kids about his age in romania used to do this all the time. |
| 23:33 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 935 @ 0.00020009 = 0.1871 BTC [-] |
| 23:33 |
decimation |
skim stuff from idea makers? |
| 23:33 |
mircea_popescu |
i know the general opinion is that omg copying is bad or w/e, but i don't hold it. any painter worth a shit was made by copying the old masters in his own hand. it's how you become a good writer, rewrite fucking hemingway |
| 23:33 |
mircea_popescu |
or whover you like. |
| 23:33 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation the idea isn't to "skim stuff" and try to pass it as your own. the idea is this : |
| 23:34 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3050 @ 0.00020108 = 0.6133 BTC [+] {2} |
| 23:34 |
mircea_popescu |
suppose a guy who is older than you, and better than you, and smarter and more connected and cultivated and powerful than you has a number of slaves, among which this absolutely breathtakingly stunning young lady. |
| 23:34 |
mircea_popescu |
now, stealing her and trying to get her dressed is the best exercise a young boy could possibly attempt. |
| 23:35 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07000003 = 1.05 BTC [-] |
| 23:35 |
mircea_popescu |
because, turns out, keeping teh girl content is not exactly trivial. it seemed trivial back when the other guy was doing it, but it is not in fact trivial. |
| 23:35 |
mircea_popescu |
this is much better than derping about "privilege" |
| 23:35 |
Vexual |
rum diaries? |
| 23:35 |
decimation |
yeah, being a good master (husband, employer, etc) is hardass thankless work |
| 23:36 |
mircea_popescu |
it's not thankless. |
| 23:36 |
mircea_popescu |
i get thanked on hands and knees on regular basis. |
| 23:36 |
mircea_popescu |
this is how socialism starts : by encouraging the slaves to not be expressively thankful. |
| 23:36 |
mircea_popescu |
it all proceeds from there. |
| 23:37 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.00305 = 0.2318 BTC [+] |
| 23:37 |
decimation |
This is how the us has become ungovernable |
| 23:37 |
mircea_popescu |
quite possibly. |
| 23:38 |
mircea_popescu |
i mean, take the notion of censorship. you consider it unbearable to be told to shut the fuck up, keep your bitching to yourself and disperse right now. but... you DO keep your thanking to yourself as a matter of course, as if it's ordained from on high. |
| 23:38 |
mircea_popescu |
not like you go to the boss and say, hey, it just dawned on me, you're so much smarter than me. thank you for taking the time to be my boss. |
| 23:38 |
mircea_popescu |
and if anyone else does, whay! THAT ASSHOLE! THAT BROWNNOSE. |
| 23:38 |
Vexual |
i vote 2 |
| 23:39 |
mircea_popescu |
well... in this context censorship is merely the enforcing of the obligation of coherence. |
| 23:39 |
mircea_popescu |
suddenly you have a society in which censorship is not at all absurd, but quite logically sound and flowing from what the people do. |
| 23:39 |
mircea_popescu |
this sucks. |
| 23:39 |
mircea_popescu |
(and obviously i mean nothing personal by "you") |
| 23:40 |
B007 |
the boss is not always smarter |
| 23:40 |
mircea_popescu |
so then tell him. |
| 23:40 |
mircea_popescu |
obviously he's not always smarter. |
| 23:41 |
Vexual |
same as ungovernable |
| 23:41 |
B007 |
but what if you want to keep the job |
| 23:41 |
Vexual |
its not a thing |
| 23:41 |
decimation |
so the boss has a right to ensure the slaves are in order |
| 23:41 |
mircea_popescu |
you don't want to keep the job where he a) isn't smarter and b) can't cope. |
| 23:41 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation more like, it's your duty to live in a sane world. |
| 23:42 |
decimation |
in the case where you are in an insane job situation, for example, it would be your duty to leave |
| 23:42 |
mircea_popescu |
indeed it would. |
| 23:44 |
decimation |
so the position of master cannot be granted by fiat |
| 23:44 |
mircea_popescu |
B007 of interest re the boss being smarter always or not, see the mp 50-50 rule, too. |
| 23:44 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation yes it can. be your fiat. |
| 23:44 |
mircea_popescu |
and it should be, because just like with the poker table : if you live with no masters it just means you're an idiot. |
| 23:45 |
mircea_popescu |
s/be your/by your/ |
| 23:46 |
Vexual |
thats some heavy fucking popescuism |
| 23:46 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah, only about 3k years old. |
| 23:46 |
Vexual |
i was just gonna say i feel like i should be sitting by a campfire 10k yrs ago |
| 23:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 980 @ 0.0002 = 0.196 BTC [-] |
| 23:49 |
B007 |
:%s/be your/by your/g |
| 23:49 |
Duffer1 |
i'm at a total loss, what could possible prevent me from uploading images to imgur or photobucket or tinypic.. |
| 23:49 |
decimation |
it is my experience that there is always someone greater |
| 23:49 |
Duffer1 |
possibly* |
| 23:49 |
B007 |
Duffer1: whats wrong? |
| 23:50 |
Duffer1 |
i get an error message whenever i try to upload a pic to imgur |
| 23:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.00087322 = 33.7063 BTC [+] {5} |
| 23:50 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 709 @ 0.00292987 = 2.0773 BTC [-] {11} |
| 23:50 |
Duffer1 |
not just imgur but any of those sites, regardless of browser |
| 23:50 |
B007 |
what error |
| 23:50 |
Vexual |
decimation: i find that when i try to trade |
| 23:50 |
Duffer1 |
unknown just says an error occured |
| 23:51 |
B007 |
unreliable internet? |
| 23:51 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1939 @ 0.00082945 = 1.6083 BTC [-] {17} |
| 23:51 |
dub |
sniff dem packets |
| 23:51 |
B007 |
ya |
| 23:52 |
Vexual |
what are you uploading duffer? |
| 23:52 |
Duffer1 |
pics of one of my boats for stringpuller |
| 23:53 |
Vexual |
one of your boats? how many do you have? |
| 23:53 |
Duffer1 |
a few |
| 23:53 |
Duffer1 |
they're models |
| 23:53 |
Vexual |
tiikoni.com/tis |
| 23:54 |
dub |
he got mad yachts |
| 23:56 |
Vexual |
are you watching black sails? |
| 23:56 |
Vexual |
as a prequal to treasure island it's disappointing |
| 23:56 |
Duffer1 |
hey it worked http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=3f29bfd |
| 23:56 |
Duffer1 |
how does that work first try but none of the others do.. fml |
| 23:57 |
Vexual |
ok now i feel jealousy, do yo u sell them? |
| 23:57 |
Vexual |
is taht real copper? |
| 23:57 |
Duffer1 |
yea copper hull |
| 23:58 |
Duffer1 |
there's no market for em, it's my hobby |
| 23:58 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00299999 = 0.264 BTC [+] {2} |
| 23:59 |
mircea_popescu |
Duffer1 the grandeur of javascript. |
| 23:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.00299999 = 0.111 BTC [+] |