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00:00	the20year1	depends on the part :D Dayton and cleveland have some pretty terrible neighborhoods
00:00	the20year1	But columbus is pretty nice, even the really bad areas (Linden, hilltop, southgate) aren't bad compared to the bad spots of somewhere like Cleveland
00:00	Duffer1	if it turns out to be true that such turnover is occurring at faster intervals, i'd say that's a net positive
00:01	BingoBoingo	the20year: That's the point. THe worst you can point to is "pretty terrible" or "pretty nice" You can't point to abjectly terrible or stunningly wonderful places in Ohio. Because Ohio is a bubbling shitpit.
00:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.53 = 2.12 BTC [-]
00:02	altkoin	ohio is cheap to live in no?
00:02	altkoin	isnt a house like 10k
00:02	Duffer1	10k for a 3 bedroom
00:03	altkoin	where in cleveland
00:03	altkoin	columbus oh isnt that bad
00:04	altkoin	problem in those areas was the WASPs imported the blacks from the south during ww2 and then dumped them into the european-catholic neighbourhoods to wreak havoc thinking they could kill 2 birds with 1 stone
00:04	Duffer1	the20 is rental starter rental only or is property flipping something you'll be doing as well?
00:04	BingoBoingo	Even MIssouri which is a Homophone for misery can point to places worse than Somalia, like the parts of North Saint Louis without the Poles in control. Misery can also point to the absolutely heavenly places like Bush stadium. And oh shit, you can walk to both places within an hour.
00:04	the20year1	We'll look at flipping when it makes sense
00:04	altkoin	created a frankenstein
00:04	Duffer1	cool
00:04	BingoBoingo	Ohio is basically Kansas with hills.
00:04	the20year1	There are plenty of great areas of Ohio , the area I'm located in is fantastic in my opinion. Very low crime rate overall, property prices are low - I can buy 6,000 finished square feet for under $200k
00:05	Duffer1	o.o
00:05	altkoin	pennsylvania and ohio have a nice landscape
00:05	the20year1	Alot of areas, $200k won't buy you a 1 bedroom apartment or condo, but here it can buy a castle
00:05	BingoBoingo	Low crime rate isn't an absolute plus though. Could simply imply police state and the stazi oppress too much.
00:05	altkoin	200k doesnt even buy a decent sports car these days
00:05	the20year1	and you're not packed in like sardines with a million other people
00:05	the20year1	BingoBoingo: very little police presence where I'm at
00:06	the20year1	half the county has 1 police officer
00:06	Duffer1	pretty sure the r8 is under 200k
00:06	altkoin	the20yearl: right but theres nothing to do either
00:06	altkoin	duffer1: glorified volkswagen
00:06	the20year1	Depends if you want to get in your car and drive for 30 minutes to go do something
00:06	Duffer1	how dare you
00:06	altkoin	the20year1: yea and go to TGIFs lol
00:06	the20year1	If you're ok with that, you can be in the arena district of Columbus which has just about anything you'd want
00:06	BingoBoingo	the20year: Well grand theft auto style complete lack of police can lead to an absence of recorded crime as well.
00:06	the20year1	Not really, it still is very low crime, people still have teh ability to file police reports when things happen
00:07	altkoin	bingoboingo ohio is not a warzone man lol
00:07	the20year1	Everyone is free to do what they want, crime is pretty well suppressed when 10% of capable adults in your county carry a gun
00:07	altkoin	id prefer pennsylvania to ohio
00:07	the20year1	there are q uite a few areas of PA that are identical to where I'm located in Ohio
00:07	the20year1	Gettysburg is nearly identical
00:08	BingoBoingo	What this Ohio versus Missouri dispute boils down to though is not Crime rates. It is who was the better second baseman last year. The awesome Matt Carpenter or the cancer known as Brandon Phillips who you couldn't trade if you wanted to.
00:08	the20year1	I love missouri
00:08	the20year1	My wife's family is from the springfield area, great land prices, lots of space
00:08	BingoBoingo	I kinda wish I still lived in Missouri.
00:08	the20year1	And for me, i'm ok with trading 'stuff to do' for personal freedom
00:09	altkoin	US cities were destroyed after WW2 when the ruling wasps decided to perform social experiments, they were afraid of the catholic population becoming a majority, so when they brought blacks up from the south to work in the war factories they decided to dump them into catholic neighbourhoods ie (irish,polish,italian) to decimate them
00:09	the20year1	It's nice that I can go in the back yard at my parents house and detonate high explosives, and no one gets their panties in a bunch
00:09	altkoin	today were living in that result
00:09	BingoBoingo	Springfield Missouri kinda scares me though because the only thing to do there seems to be get raped, OD on meth, and get raped some moar
00:09	altkoin	also the explosion in interest rates in the 70's and 80's destroyed US manufacturing
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00:10	the20year1	that isn't what destroyed it
00:10	Duffer1	the20 are there any ohio aread with googlefiber?
00:10	Duffer1	areas*
00:10	the20year1	Out of all the factories i've talked to who have relocated, none have noted interest rates as a reason for leaving the US
00:10	the20year1	Not that i know of, but we do have fiber in my area
00:10	altkoin	theyear20: yes it was. it made it impossible for capital intensive industry to replenish
00:11	the20year1	I'm just reiterating those I've talked to who run factories who have relocated outside of the US
00:11	the20year1	(mexico or China mostly)
00:11	BingoBoingo	Duffer1: Macomb and Highland Illinois are two areas with municipal fiber. Much of the Midwest that god hasn't cursed with being a shitpit like Ohio has fiber to the home.
00:11	altkoin	the20year1: you are clueless. the sky high rates made it impossible to invest into new equipment, the companies were trading at below book value so vultura capitalists using debt bought them and sold them in pieces
00:11	the20year1	Their words to me were governmental regulations and high legal costs
00:11	altkoin	the20year1: the majority of US plant closures occured in the 70's and 80's, the 90's and 2000's was just the remanents.
00:11	the20year1	What stats are you going from?
00:11	Duffer1	lol damn bingo, show us on the doll where the bad ohio touched you
00:12	BingoBoingo	Duffer1: The taint, because that is what Ohio is.
00:12	altkoin	the20year1: US industry ie steel, was destroyed during 70's and 80's
00:12	altkoin	the20year1: the plants your talking about were smaller scale remanents in the 90's and 2000's who got trashed by regulations
00:12	the20year1	and it had nothing to do with lower costs of manufacturing outside the US?
00:13	altkoin	it had to do with interest rates being so high it was impossible to finance new capital, so corporations began looking outside the US to make up for this and they did via low wages.
00:13	altkoin	but the initial cause of them looking was the absurdly high rates.
00:13	altkoin	rising interest rates destroy fixed capital, declining interest rates wreck intangible capital(banks)
00:13	the20year1	the high interest rates didn't last significantly long
00:13	altkoin	hence why the banking system is insolvent after 20 years of declining rates.
00:13	BingoBoingo	altkoin: If I wanted to tomorrow I could drive 30 minutes and start making manhole covers until as I lose as many fingers as grandpa did as a carpenter. 'Murica still kinda has a steel industry
00:14	altkoin	the20year1: lol they lasted long enough to destroy most US heavy industry
00:14	altkoin	the20year1: you could literally buy corporations for 25-30% book value and sell them off in pieces. thats what wallstreet did in the 80's
00:14	the20year1	The interest rates in the 60s were in the area of 6% throught the decade
00:14	altkoin	dude im talking about 70's and 80's
00:14	the20year1	They hit 8.5% in '69
00:14	BingoBoingo	altkoin: You up for a game of chess?
00:14	altkoin	when nixon went off the gold standard rates exploded
00:15	altkoin	they went to 20%
00:15	altkoin	before declining for the next 30 years to what we have now
00:15	the20year1	20%+ for a few months
00:15	altkoin	you realize anything past 5% its impossible to finance a project with? youll never make enough profit to service the debt. especially in heavy industry.
00:15	the20year1	By the mid 80s they dropped below 10% again
00:15	altkoin	the20year1: dude a 10 year bond was like 13%. thats UNPAYABLE on long term projects
00:16	the20year1	So then we should see a surplus of manufacturing startups with the government practically throwing loans to anyone whom want them?
00:16	altkoin	under the gold standard interest rates tended to be quite stable so US industry was able to reinvest profits
00:16	BingoBoingo	the20year altkoin: Both of you start citing some sources. Preferably motherfucking reputable sources that gave your mums a little D.
00:16	altkoin	the20year1: when interest rates drop, bank intangible capital gets destroyed. the price of a bond increases so its harder to get out of debt you need more $$ to buy back the bond.
00:17	the20year1	Like I said, i'm just stating what i've heard from people who run factories
00:17	altkoin	the20year1: 30 years of declining interest rates have left the banking system insolvent hence why we had 2008.
00:17	altkoin	what factories? tiny ass ones?
00:17	altkoin	majority of US industry began vanishing in 70's and 80's not 2000's
00:17	the20year1	depends on what you consider tiny
00:17	altkoin	drive through ohio and PA you can see all the shit from the 80's
00:18	altkoin	the remanents of US industry in the 90's and 2000's got ruined via massive regulation and litigation
00:19	the20year1	ok
00:19	altkoin	also falling interest rates allowed business's to constantly refinance lower thereby killing their competiition even if the competition was perfectly viable.
00:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.525 = 2.1 BTC [-]
00:19	altkoin	do you understand the problem is institutionalized usury?
00:19	the20year1	No
00:19	the20year1	What do you consider usury? 10%, 20%? Do you want the government to set all private interest rates?
00:19	altkoin	every economy that operates on usury ends up being completely destroyed its occured dozens of time in history
00:20	altkoin	the20year1: compound interest is impossible. you will never produce enough wealth to service it.
00:20	benkay	hey guys i want to push a conspiracy theory cum trolling on the general public to hasten the end of the tyrant along the lines of 'fed is secretly direct depositing money in city coffers around the states to keep the usa "economy" ticking along - notice all the road construction? that's not fuded by tax receipts i'll tell you that right now" etc etc
00:20	benkay	best part is that it's basically true
00:20	the20year1	I still am trying to understand what point you're trying to make
00:21	altkoin	benkay: ? its probably financed via usury contracts (bonds)
00:21	benkay	see you don't even have to try with this one, people just pick it up and keep it rolling
00:21	altkoin	the fed is not direct depisitng money anywhere, they can only loan funds backed by collateral
00:21	benkay	mhm
00:22	benkay	if you're arguing with me about the actual topic you're missing the point
00:22	altkoin	QE wont work becuase the fed will run out of collateral to loan against
00:22	the20year1	they did that long ago, the real issue with QE is that everyone is racing to the bottom
00:22	altkoin	soon theyll own every treasury bond lol
00:22	benkay	FED FUD
00:22	altkoin	the20year1: racing to the bottom with what?
00:22	the20year1	and then teh whole world will collapse into mad max style gangs and we'll all have to just take care of ourselves
00:22	benkay	yessssss
00:22	the20year1	And thankfully, since I'm in Ohio, I can take care of my self
00:23	benkay	ONWARDS BITCOIN SOLDIERS
00:23	the20year1	All I need to do is weld some AR500 to my big old 4x4 truck and i'll have my own tank
00:23	benkay	yeah i'm putting together a crazy long shot
00:23	benkay	i'll probably end up dead in an alley somewhere, stabbed for my btc
00:23	altkoin	we already had high inflation
00:23	the20year1	Go around, taking women so I can build Ohio's bigges hiram, and then a bunch of slaves to work my rentalstarter fields of gold
00:23	altkoin	the future is deflation not inflation
00:23	benkay	lol biggest hiram
00:23	the20year1	and anyone that resists, i'll fire my big old pneumatic spear gun at them
00:24	benkay	*pchoo*
00:24	the20year1	put their heads on pikes, strewn about the once-lavish parts of Columbus
00:24	the20year1	so they know not to come to my county
00:24	benkay	dude when my cashflow stablizes i'm going to start working on hacking shotguns to fire arrows
00:24	benkay	flechettes
00:24	the20year1	I'm already ahead of you
00:24	benkay	oh oh
00:24	benkay	bullshit but go on
00:25	the20year1	not only does my 4x4 have fire-arrow mounting capability, i also can quickly build trebuchets to seige my enemies
00:25	benkay	bah trebuchets
00:25	benkay	chemicals obsoleted that shit
00:25	the20year1	and i also have a garage full of concertina wire
00:25	benkay	one doesn't even need particularly advanced fab toolchain either
00:25	benkay	that shit is useful
00:26	benkay	i am also hacking on vectored thrust drones
00:26	the20year1	i financed it all with high interest bonds
00:26	benkay	garbage drones
00:26	BingoBoingo	the20year: If the US decays to Mad max rules, we are both doomed. The difference between us if I can occasionally get a laugh out of the North StL mauraders which might spare my life.
00:26	the20year1	I'm surrounded by farmland, it will be easy to establish my zones of influence
00:27	benkay	i will put the children to work building garbage drones each equipped with throwaway shotgun crossbows
00:27	benkay	the mad armorer of cascadia
00:27	BingoBoingo	the20year: What do you do when these motherfucker show up at the border of your farmland http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ7mhLp0abU
00:28	altkoin	europe has a higher chance of mad max then US
00:29	BingoBoingo	altkoin: And you have the highest chance of carrying an extra chromosone here
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00:29	altkoin	european cities are pretty much swarming with muslim hordes, brussels is like what 50% muslim lol theres already islam no go zones.
00:29	benkay	hey assbot your responses aren't correct under load
00:30	BingoBoingo	What are these muslim hordes when they don't have a sultan to give them orders?
00:30	altkoin	they have imams
00:30	altkoin	giving them orders duh
00:31	altkoin	marsielle france is pretty much a muslim city at this point, most dangerous in EU, they attack fire stations and police outright
00:31	kakobrekla	its how irc works benkay , not everyone sees the same. fyi i see what ass seees.
00:31	benkay	i'm also joking kakobrekla
00:31	kakobrekla	a.
00:31	altkoin	given the choice in a mad max id rather be in US vs EU thats for sure
00:31	the20year1	more room, more guns to protect yourself with
00:31	altkoin	in US you at least have a chance to defend yourself, you can forget that in europe
00:32	BingoBoingo	altkoin: I'm sorry I can't here you over the sound of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ7mhLp0abU
00:32	benkay	kakobrekla: didn't mean to insult you or anything, it was an oblique comment about programming on internet and bosses
00:32	altkoin	europe is a better place to be in normal times though if you are rich
00:32	altkoin	just way more interesting then america
00:32	the20year1	"interesting"
00:32	altkoin	yea like having culture.
00:32	benkay	kakobrekla: my next line was going to be 'you too, mpex proxies'
00:33	the20year1	"Culture"
00:33	altkoin	theres tons of places in europe that are also vastly underrated
00:33	kakobrekla	benkay lol.
00:33	the20year1	like bulgaria
00:33	kakobrekla	like you been there?
00:33	altkoin	slovakia, slovenia, croatia
00:33	altkoin	poland
00:33	kakobrekla	somalia
00:33	altkoin	even hungary
00:34	the20year1	all fun places
00:34	altkoin	in europe if you have $$ your living much better then almost anywhere stateside
00:34	the20year1	bribe the police ,get whatever you want
00:34	BingoBoingo	Or was I listening to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJgu7nGzBRM
00:34	altkoin	the20year1: i dont think that works anymore
00:34	altkoin	those used to be the fun days
00:34	the20year1	those i talk to seem to think so
00:35	altkoin	yea i think its still left in some of the none eu areas
00:35	kakobrekla	whats left? police bribes?
00:36	kakobrekla	on the south. for locals mostly.
00:36	BingoBoingo	If China invades 'Murica to collect what fiat they are owed I assure you it probably won't be hillbillies repelling the invasion by throwing their flags up.
00:36	BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: Police bribes are best bribes
00:36	altkoin	US is impossible to invade
00:37	altkoin	its too armed theres like 10 billion in ammo in private hands alone
00:37	kakobrekla	yeah i have done those before.
00:37	altkoin	kako yea police bribes
00:37	kakobrekla	dont work in slovenia, also very hard in croatia. but bosnia, serbian, no problem.è
00:38	altkoin	yea none eu zones
00:38	kakobrekla	also MK
00:38	kakobrekla	yea
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00:39	altkoin	kako: are you still long all your initial btc?
00:39	BingoBoingo	altkoin: The thing is actual hard parts to invade are not the parts you probably are thinking of
00:40	kakobrekla	well i guess so.
00:40	kakobrekla	but im not long, that would imply im borrowing.
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00:41	the20year1	US isn't a good candidate for invasion
00:41	kakobrekla	hm? that is bashable?
00:41	the20year1	you'd have to invade either from Canada or Mexico
00:41	altkoin	the US is not going to face economic collapse for awhile
00:42	altkoin	its still a gigantic farm to tax
00:42	the20year1	Hopefully not
00:42	BingoBoingo	the20year: See comments here http://trilema.com/2014/most-wrong-and-absolutely-wrongest/#comment-97658
00:43	the20year1	US is a big place, smallpox might do a decent job, but it'd have to be quite effective
00:44	altkoin	the west is facing demographic collapse
00:44	altkoin	which is tied with economic collapse
00:44	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25550 @ 0.00099546 = 25.434 BTC [+] {2}
00:45	the20year1	I guess, btu there are still quite a few groups in teh US that are growing reasonably well that are high population producers - latinos and evangelical christians
00:45	altkoin	yea the US isnt as bad as europe
00:45	altkoin	europe at current rates will be a mostly muslim continent within 2 generations
00:45	the20year1	Europe is a mess
00:45	altkoin	it will be a massive bosnia
00:46	the20year1	although I think they'll resort to 'traditional habbits' like genocide before it becomes a huge issue
00:46	altkoin	well im pretty sure they will just end up kicking all islam out
00:46	altkoin	theres only so much you can put up with, its been 1000 year history of islams constant invasions
00:47	altkoin	they enter a place, put up a few mosques and turn everything in a huge ghetto
00:47	altkoin	into*
00:47	altkoin	lazy as hell
00:48	BingoBoingo	altkoin: How do you think the Spanish invaded the US so successfully. It was mostly smallpox and demographic collapse.
00:48	altkoin	the spanish invaded the US?
00:48	altkoin	right pal.
00:49	altkoin	there was nothing in the US other then nomadic tribes wondering about
00:49	altkoin	the savagery the spanish witnessed was absolutely shocking
00:50	BingoBoingo	altkoin: You sound like a spectacularly racist nigger nao
00:51	altkoin	lol yea
00:51	BingoBoingo	Also.. Which european power sold FLorida
00:51	altkoin	your talking politically correct history that is totally disconnected from reality
00:51	altkoin	there was nothing in america when europeans landed
00:52	altkoin	most of the natives were killing each other off, hence if you study US battles youll see one tribe always joins up with one of the european powers against another
00:53	BingoBoingo	altkoin: Well, explain the stands of nut trees and fruit bushes that resembled gardens through the entire eastern US by the time Squanto, The last man standing met the pilgrims.
00:53	altkoin	also the spanish were in complete shock when they saw the type of activities the inca's were engaged in
00:53	BingoBoingo	Well, the Incas were perverts.
00:53	altkoin	baby killing, mass human sacrifice, demon worship etc.
00:53	altkoin	its all documented
00:53	altkoin	they werent some "one with nature" civilization living in a utopia
00:54	punkman1	they just wanted dat inca gold
00:54	altkoin	actually most of the new world had silver not gold
00:54	altkoin	well, less gold then they expected
00:56	altkoin	europe needs to go back to its pre enlightenment roots if it wants to survive, its been failed utopia after failed utopia in europe since the enlightment, massive wars, genocides
00:56	altkoin	inventions of concepts like race superiority
00:59	jborkl	The catholic church got so rich by being super duper nice and educating Indians
00:59	altkoin	dude most of their wealth is illiquid
00:59	altkoin	its art and land
00:59	altkoin	like yea go sell a fresco lol.
01:00	altkoin	the majority of church wealth was stolen by nation states and looted
01:01	altkoin	protestant reformation started the chain of events that would lead to europes collapse centuries later
01:02	altkoin	by the way the catholic church was the only one that raised the issues of native mistreatment and slavery in the new colonies.
01:02	altkoin	the kings were basically looting
01:03	BingoBoingo	Maybe everyone views history as simply as altkoin
01:03	altkoin	no i view facts.
01:03	punkman1	I hope not
01:03	BingoBoingo	I wonder why scandanavian culture isn't much bigger in 'Murica then.
01:04	BingoBoingo	Well, I guess Ikea is a thing.
01:04	punkman1	re: baby killing, you know people did that because they didn't want their kids to grow up as slaves?
01:04	altkoin	because america is a destroyer of cultures
01:04	altkoin	all empires are cultural vacuums
01:04	altkoin	also modern scandanavian culture is a joke. its rooted in fallacies ie relativism.
01:05	altkoin	the easiest way to tell if a culture is strong is to look at the art and music it produces, and modern art and music makes you want to puke.
01:05	BingoBoingo	altkoin: Scandanavians were the first Europeans to invade the Americas. And why weren't they successful?
01:05	altkoin	right "invade"
01:05	altkoin	your univerisity tell you that?
01:05	altkoin	there has to be something to invade first.
01:06	altkoin	did they invade florida swamps? or new york forests?
01:06	altkoin	what cities did they attack? which roads did they use to get them there.
01:06	BingoBoingo	altkoin: The vikings tried to invade Canadia
01:06	altkoin	is landing on land invasion? lol
01:06	altkoin	like what do you mean by that
01:07	BingoBoingo	altkoin: I mean they landed in Newfoundland and were repelled by large armies of native warriors
01:07	altkoin	thats nice one warrior group vs another
01:08	BingoBoingo	Then a few centuries later the spanish land
01:08	altkoin	vikings were uncivlized brutes.
01:08	BingoBoingo	By the time the english land in Massachussets North America had been depopulated by disease
01:08	altkoin	everywhere they landed the objective was violence
01:08	Ademan	wow haha what triggered this discussion?
01:08	altkoin	bingoboingo dude how many times are you going to repeat the disease fallacy, there was nobody in north america
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01:09	altkoin	it was nomadic tribes moving around
01:09	BingoBoingo	altkoin: You can call nearly everything a fallacy until evidence is introduced. I suggest reading moar.
01:09	altkoin	there is no evidence
01:10	altkoin	your talking modernist revised history that always puts everything bad on the european.
01:10	altkoin	north america had nothing.
01:10	BingoBoingo	Oh, no evidence other than a fuckton of dead vikinfs in canada and cities in the eastern US that suddenly collapsed due to disease
01:10	altkoin	what cities?
01:10	altkoin	there wasnt a single "native" city in north america
01:11	altkoin	they were nomads
01:11	BingoBoingo	Well, let us start with Cahokia altkoin
01:11	altkoin	ok
01:11	altkoin	what city did they inhabit
01:13	Ademan	What are you guys arguing? That north america can't be invaded, or that north america can't be invaded *now*?
01:13	altkoin	hes talking about how europeans invaded north america some 500 years ago or whatever
01:13	Ademan	because talking about dead vikings seems a bit tangential to discussing invading north america *now*
01:13	altkoin	and found immense native cities and civilization
01:13	altkoin	and advanced technologies
01:14	altkoin	but disease killed everyone
01:15	altkoin	i mean its always something with the self hating european these days
01:15	Ademan	is that really what you guys were arguing? That sounds verifiable
01:15	altkoin	yea i know lol
01:15	BingoBoingo	altkoin: Cahokia was a city of Native Americans roughly as big as the collection of mistizos in trailers living there nao
01:15	altkoin	prove it.
01:16	BingoBoingo	They made dirt piles bigger than some of the pyramids
01:16	BingoBoingo	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cahokia
01:16	ozbot	Cahokia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
01:16	altkoin	yea
01:17	altkoin	i guess you can call that a city.
01:17	altkoin	mass sacrifice mounds
01:17	BingoBoingo	Along the Mississippi there are other numerous and less impressive cities
01:18	BingoBoingo	Also altkoin If you want to control a population and don't have pepper gas, what tool would you use. Sacrifice mounds seemed to be awfully effective...
01:18	altkoin	the majority of natives were nomads or members of complete savage "empires" engaged in mass scale human sacrifice, cannibalism, etc
01:19	BingoBoingo	altkoin: That doesn't sound very different than the Greeks or the Dagas just a few centuries earlier.
01:19	Duffer1	lol wat
01:19	BingoBoingo	Or how do you do the plural of Dago
01:19	Ademan	I'm unaware of any cannibalism in north america...
01:19	Duffer1	or human sacrifice
01:19	Ademan	depends on where you draw the line for central america really
01:20	altkoin	duffer1 lol are you kidding me.
01:20	altkoin	human sacrifice was a staple amongst natives
01:20	BingoBoingo	When Romulus and Remus raped the Saibines, what protein were they eating?
01:20	Duffer1	which natives?
01:20	altkoin	iroquois were notorious cannibals
01:21	BingoBoingo	altkoin: Iriqouis were the original Chis Christie New Jersey fat asses
01:21	altkoin	lol
01:22	BingoBoingo	So altkoin You have labled maybe 200 square miles of isolationists cannibals
01:23	BingoBoingo	What I wonder is how dense a person has to be to suppose that pecan trees grow in massive homogenous groves, larger than the largest ollive groves in Europe at the time
01:27	altkoin	i wonder if we are witnessing the end of the altcoins in this latest sell off
01:27	BingoBoingo	altkoin: I don't dispute that Europeans conquered North America. I dispute you supposition that North (i.e. Richest nao America) was an uninhabited wasteland
01:28	altkoin	i think the next leg up in bitcoin will not involve altcoin participation
01:29	Duffer1	bitcoin does it's own thing, altcoins do theirs
01:29	Duffer1	there will always be altcoins
01:29	altkoin	bingoboingo: when the europeans arrived it was a wasteland with nomads. i never disputed civilizations existing, but they were subsistence level based on ritual sacrfiice and slaughter, and almost none were around when europeans began colonizing north america
01:29	altkoin	cahokia was like 500 years before european contact
01:30	BingoBoingo	altkoin: You sound like the exact sort of person who the North County Cowboys would be thrilled to harvest. Scroll up to see youtube videos.
01:30	altkoin	and you sound like a self hating swede
01:31	BingoBoingo	altkoin: Well cahokia collapsed roughly 100 years after scandanavian conact...
01:31	altkoin	based on your speculation
01:31	BingoBoingo	altkoin: And python scripts.
01:32	altkoin	look how far cahokia is from newfoundland
01:32	Ademan	I scrolled up and ended up listening to da union...
01:32	BingoBoingo	altkoin: Roughly 100 years as a virus
01:32	altkoin	yea right
01:33	altkoin	everyone from sweden hates themselves for some reason, i mean its to the point where your telling me your super great ancestors even spread a virus that wiped out a society lol
01:33	BingoBoingo	altkoin: Maybe you just work in the wrong mindset. As a native Illinoisian I am accustomed to measuring distance and time in the same units.
01:33	Ademan	I'm not swedish but I wouldn't give a shit if my ancestors spread a virus... I didn't do it...
01:33	BingoBoingo	Also my ancestors are dutch
01:33	altkoin	yea whatever
01:34	BingoBoingo	All they spread was the high
01:34	Ademan	that's some retarded "original sin" style inherrited guilt shit
01:34	punkman1	and tulips
01:34	Duffer1	i guess what we really need to know is
01:34	altkoin	and stocks
01:34	Duffer1	will it blend?
01:34	punkman1	it will
01:34	altkoin	and central banks
01:34	altkoin	and corporations
01:34	Ademan	one of the dutch tulips strains was really awesome
01:35	punkman1	so YC is gonna cure AIDS nao
01:35	punkman1	for free!
01:35	BingoBoingo	Ademan: You should see my front yard in about 11.6 weeks
01:35	Ademan	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_breaking_virus
01:35	ozbot	Tulip breaking virus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
01:35	punkman1	maybe it will have ADS
01:36	Ademan	BingoBoingo: When did you plant them?
01:36	BingoBoingo	Ademan: Years ago. They got roots
01:36	Ademan	ah cool
01:36	punkman1	I planted a bougainvillea yesterday
01:38	BingoBoingo	altkoin: You sound like the sort of self censoring mother fucker who would rather imagine North America was completely uninhabited (though how did the Incas and Aztecs get to their ruins) than suppose an ancestor of yours might have ever killed a motherfucker for their land
01:38	altkoin	no im not disputing that
01:38	altkoin	your the one using words like "invasion"
01:38	Ademan	these guys actually have good trigger discipline... is that gangsta?
01:38	altkoin	they never had any land to begin with
01:39	altkoin	it was nomadic tribes. land becomes yours when you add value to it
01:39	altkoin	ie homesteading
01:39	altkoin	you cant claim large swaths of land lol thats absurd
01:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25196 @ 0.00099501 = 25.0703 BTC [-] {2}
01:39	altkoin	land by itself is useless, it needs human labor for value to be created
01:39	Ademan	but then they said "clip"
01:40	altkoin	thats the "price" you pay for it.
01:40	Ademan	that's a hell of a banana "clip" though
01:40	BingoBoingo	Ademan: Yeah, if 'Murica collapses they will own all of your shit
01:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.02618075 = 0.5236 BTC [-] {6}
01:41	BingoBoingo	altcoin There are still permanent structures native Americans left.
01:41	Ademan	BingoBoingo: luckily they're not near me :-)
01:42	Ademan	and also the stereotype of gang bangers not being able to hit jack shit is true in my experience at the range (maybe the rest are so good they don't go to the range?)
01:44	BingoBoingo	Ademan: Well, the official position of the StL pd is cointainment rather than confrontation.
01:52	Ademan	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5FDvzj8YX4
01:52	ozbot	Introducing Ethereum - YouTube
01:52	BingoBoingo	altkoin: I just dunno what mistaken presupositions you might have that suggest the horrible NE USA was cultivated in such a hospitible manner.
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02:35	herbijudlestoids	hullo
02:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37848 @ 0.0009933 = 37.5944 BTC [-] {5}
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03:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00099459 = 23.7707 BTC [+]
03:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.00308633 = 0.1327 BTC [+]
03:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00099257 = 14.6404 BTC [-]
03:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.05499883 = 0.11 BTC [+] {2}
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03:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.46155001 = 4.6155 BTC [-] {4}
03:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.47000001 BTC [+]
03:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.52739874 = 5.274 BTC [+] {7}
03:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.53999998 = 1.62 BTC [+] {2}
04:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.005 = 0.105 BTC [+] {2}
04:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.003075 = 0.1538 BTC [-]
04:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.005 = 0.165 BTC [+] {2}
04:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7954 @ 0.00099575 = 7.9202 BTC [+] {2}
04:12	punkman1	http://www.rectaltronics.com/
04:12	ozbot	Rectaltronics Inc. Home Page
04:14	jurov	what, custom-made buttplugs?
04:17	jurov	and dat log again....funny muricans think they have worse police state than ukraine and worse neighborhoods than somalia
04:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00308418 = 0.4626 BTC [+] {4}
04:18	jurov	even that nuclear power discussion fail
04:18	jurov	1. atomic bomb gets invented
04:18	jurov	2. nuclear power get invented
04:18	jurov	3. nuclear power is adapted to make moar bombs
04:18	jurov	4. nuclear power is blamed
04:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.47050202 = 5.646 BTC [-] {7}
04:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 600 @ 0.00308949 = 1.8537 BTC [+] {2}
04:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00099146 = 40.8482 BTC [-] {3}
04:46	simlay	I wonder if Rectaltronics makes dynamic buttplugs.
04:46	simlay	Or if that's a legitimate thing.
04:46	simlay	I should write a patent.
04:49	punkman1	"The patented Rectaltronic Stereophonic effect is a key part of every Rectaltonics butt-plug sold. Utilizing microprocessor technology to provide patented waveform control of the oscillation units, a unique surround feeling (not unlike Sensurround(tm)) is generated upon insertion an activation of the butt-plug."
04:49	Duffer1	fascinating
04:49	simlay	Yeah, I thought of an idea that was to do Machine learning on sex toys.
04:50	simlay	ie, automate orgasms
04:50	Duffer1	like a 5.1 homestereo
04:50	Duffer1	but for your ass
04:50	BingoBoingo	simlay: Sorry you are so incredibly late
04:50	simlay	Does it exist?
04:50	punkman1	it's an old joke that site
04:50	simlay	haha. That makes it much better.
04:52	simlay	Tomball, Texas
04:52	simlay	does not seem like the place to make buttplugs.
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05:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.48 = 6.24 BTC [+] {2}
05:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 129 @ 0.00309 = 0.3986 BTC [+]
05:28	TomYum_	OP: I have a question about sending traffic as an affiliate. Are you online to answer?
05:30	TomYum_	Can I send traffic to main page for credit or need to be link to specific bet?
05:30	BingoBoingo	TomYum_: I am a SLashot champion I know about much traffic, much victory
05:31	BingoBoingo	TomYum_: It sounds liek you actually don't need a link you annoy anough already
05:31	BingoBoingo	Write on your left buttcheek Bingo.
05:32	BingoBoingo	On Your right buttcheek write Boingo
05:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00309 = 1.236 BTC [+]
05:32	BingoBoingo	I offer 0.0005 BTC for completing this task.
05:33	BingoBoingo	TomYum_: If that offer is too poor for you write ROADHOUSE on your body and learn how to be a moar polite bitch
05:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.00309201 = 0.2628 BTC [+] {2}
05:34	Duffer1	no marker?
05:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79332 @ 0.00099686 = 79.0829 BTC [+] {4}
05:34	BingoBoingo	Duffer1: Sharpie was it mentioned or merely implyied
05:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6668 @ 0.00099901 = 6.6614 BTC [+]
05:35	Duffer1	no i meant you usually offer extra for marker in the cornhole
05:35	Duffer1	or was that someone else
05:36	BingoBoingo	Duffer1: No. I usually offer a bitof pittance for people who put a sharpie in their pooper for the pittance they offer.
05:36	dub	sharpie is murican for marker
05:36	Duffer1	i see
05:37	BingoBoingo	Since there is no such thing as a pittance in BTC anymoar I am no longer encouraging mother fuckers to rape their mums.
05:37	Duffer1	shame that
05:37	BingoBoingo	shame you Duffer1 you rape factory
05:38	Duffer1	so rape
05:38	Duffer1	much wow
05:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 231 @ 0.00483256 = 1.1163 BTC [-] {10}
05:38	BingoBoingo	BTW, I am offering 1BTC for a hammer if with that hammer you can provide Trade Fortress's warm body
05:38	Duffer1	ಠ_ಠ
05:39	BingoBoingo	fuck your judg ascii Duffer1
05:40	Duffer1	did they never find TF? i haven't been following that
05:41	BingoBoingo	Duffer1: There are strong leads on that case, but best as I can tell TF might as well be the sluggards who declared themselves TF's worst enemies.
05:54	punkman1	"Google Glass-wearing movie patron questioned by Homeland Security agents as potential pirate"
06:01	punkman1	I don't even need comedy anymore, news headlines do just fine
06:01	punkman1	"Google patents ad-powered taxi service that would offer free rides to shoppers. Advertisers would pay for your transportation in the hope that you buy something."
06:01	BingoBoingo	Some people are trying to keep descendants of TF's CoinChat a thing. Just answaer then with Niggers.txt says sharks are delicious.
06:02	punkman1	how about free housing in all those half-empty malls?
06:03	pankkake	they got their strategy from http://youtu.be/HTkA9L2J2gY
06:04	pankkake	anyway, advertising isn't some infinitely expanding cake… especially when businesses are looking to reduce costs
06:04	punkman1	yeah but maybe you'll steal a twinkie while living for free in the mall, and they can finally claim insurance
06:04	BingoBoingo	punkman1: How about you suck my dick or I feed you to tillikum you fucking bitch
06:05	BingoBoingo	pankkake: Punkman is an infinitely expandin cake
06:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37873 @ 0.00099174 = 37.5602 BTC [-] {2}
06:06	pankkake	and I was missing a discussion about butt plugs. why do I sleep
06:07	BingoBoingo	pankkake: Because Tillikum's revenge is the most just ship on the seven seas and it is bringing back real oil, whale oil.
06:07	BingoBoingo	Because fuck those fatties
06:07	BingoBoingo	Also like Tillikum has ate so many people
06:10	BingoBoingo	I am surprisingly cool with an orca eating hald the people my mouse touches. What are you fucks going to do? Cook better meth heisenberg?
06:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6228 @ 0.00098983 = 6.1647 BTC [-]
06:14	punkman1	I'll feed your dick to Tilikum and swim away while he sucks you off
06:14	BingoBoingo	So.... Three days later jiggaboo shit.RU wins the referral contest.
06:14	BingoBoingo	Second place is Slashdot.
06:15	BingoBoingo	Third place is niggers.txt so punkman you just keep imangining your dick such that I might price risk such that sucking it might be attactive you cunt.
06:16	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35400 @ 0.00099817 = 35.3352 BTC [+]
06:16	BingoBoingo	Here's a hint punkman1 niggers.txt exists,
06:17	BingoBoingo	davout: Back me up niggers.txt is a thing and not merely ehat happens you you eat a delicious shroomy pizza
06:19	BingoBoingo	MLK was a big fan of niggers.txt
06:20	pankkake	are you all intoxicated?
06:20	BingoBoingo	pankkake: What you need to aks is intoxicated me?
06:20	pankkake	okay
06:21	BingoBoingo	I am ready. I have been readyl I can handle leik all of the niggers.txt.
06:22	pankkake	I take your niggers.txt and challenge you with a porchmonkey.pdf
06:22	BingoBoingo	Pankkake you overplayed your hand there.
06:23	BingoBoingo	Only superniggers wnt to stay niggs like that forever
06:23	BingoBoingo	Also noone trusts .pdf
06:25	BingoBoingo	Such amaze... i made a niggers.txt that fronted slashdot.
06:26	BingoBoingo	Arre yall a bunch of fucking cosbies?
06:29	punkman1	veritable scholar
06:29	pankkake	and gentlenigger
06:29	pankkake	;;ud cosbies
06:29	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cosby | A multi colored sweater. Stemming from the days of the Cosby show, in which the main character, Heathcliff Huxtable, played by Bill Cosby, constant...
06:29	punkman1	DO NOT ALLOW TO FALL INTO ENEMY HANDS
06:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50499999 BTC [+]
06:30	BingoBoingo	pankkake: How do you know what shade o suncreen I use?
06:30	ozbot	Urban Dictionary: cosby
06:31	BingoBoingo	punkman1: FU stop having your peaps OD so much. Kinda kills my objections to lethat injection... or do you like that bitch
06:31	punkman1	WE GOT YOU TO READ THIS FAR AND NOW IT'S TOO LATE!
06:33	BingoBoingo	punkman1: Do you like the fact that either of use can roll enough [potassium choloride between our finders to kill an elepant and yet... Your friends are still the dieing est sumc of the wrld. Bitch.
06:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50499999 BTC [+]
06:34	BingoBoingo	punkman1: I'm about to sleep nao, but the worst thing for you has to be... You can't te;ll if I am honest or troll.
06:35	BingoBoingo	punkman1: Dun worry if the sucking goes well I am sure kakobrekla will alert all of -assets. Won't make you any less of a bitch though fucker.
06:36	punkman1	a drug addicted astronaut in the midst of confronting the fact of his homosexuality
06:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20446 @ 0.00099901 = 20.4258 BTC [+]
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06:54	Vexual	did someone say acres of oak @ 1k?
06:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.00099972 = 36.3898 BTC [+] {3}
06:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3472 @ 0.00099817 = 3.4656 BTC [-]
07:01	Vexual	you could rent that to squirrels for some serious acorn
07:03	Vexual	or mill it and turn it into heirloom furniture
07:05	Vexual	durable goods had a different meaning 60 years ago
07:12	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaOC9danxNo
07:12	ozbot	Space Oddity - YouTube
07:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9565 @ 0.00099375 = 9.5052 BTC [-] {2}
07:19	Vexual	homo sapiens are fucking awesome
07:19	Vexual	.bait
07:19	ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/036ce3056de364943be8add7b9e38379/tumblr_moeicrC7Fo1roy4qoo1_1280.jpg
07:21	pankkake	.bait
07:23	ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/d8728ef5a8bfb7563e0b8dd013157d85/tumblr_mu4588mttR1r1dkzuo1_1280.jpg
07:24	Vexual	such ai
07:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24688 @ 0.00100075 = 24.7065 BTC [+] {2}
07:28	Vexual	regression http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNH57uvOcU8
07:32	Vexual	my last utebe video and my last bottle of vodka http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVMoxMAF6SA
07:39	mircea_popescu	.d
07:39	ozbot	1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 4 blocks | Estimated Change: 22.6935% in 0d 0h 28m 28s
07:40	deadweasel	ah, bitbets money spout prepares to explode!
07:40	mircea_popescu	i thought we were running off with it
07:40	deadweasel	if you beleive the comments you are
07:41	mircea_popescu	comments always know better than the people involved, i find.
07:41	deadweasel	I'd be happy with my 1% over time.
07:41	mircea_popescu	that's the staying power of the internet
07:42	deadweasel	I love that the first comment is what's his name butt-hurt, warning people not to use the site...
07:42	deadweasel	biggest bet ever!
07:42	deadweasel	*love* it, karmarific
07:42	deadweasel	what was his name anyway?
07:42	Vexual	i lied http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1oG4x2Y_HE
07:45	mircea_popescu	deadweasel kinda the risk of opening teh mouth and removing all doubt lol
07:46	mircea_popescu	deadweasel joe or sam or something 3 letter. iirc he was on various site comments going "o noes, this guy is a scammor, do not write about him, here's a btctalk link"
07:47	Vexual	in a 3d casino that cat would have skin off
07:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40500 @ 0.00100201 = 40.5814 BTC [+] {3}
07:50	Vexual	late money is a bad idea, whatever the outcome
07:50	mircea_popescu	somewhat depends on the implicit odds, generally. but this late, yeah it is.
07:54	Vexual	its a wll tested model for casinos and gentlemanly behaviour
07:55	Vexual	despite the odds
07:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.47873999 = 4.7874 BTC [-] {4}
08:00	Vexual	i can go to a holdem game where i might not get home with my notes even if i win
08:01	deadweasel	mircea_popescu: I'm pretty sure he improved your business, but I guess that's what they all do :)
08:03	mircea_popescu	management, you know ?
08:03	mircea_popescu	like sailing, exactly. you can go just fine either with or against either wind or current
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08:03	mircea_popescu	just need to figure out where you're going and get a boat that'll float.
08:06	Vexual	so true
08:16	Vexual	and once you've learned to wait 13 hours or 28 days, you need big balls to go far
08:19	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GOyry34kaU skills and shit
08:19	ozbot	Matthew Curry Brotherhood of the Guitar - YouTube
08:22	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XKirCbflZU
08:22	ozbot	India Arie - Get It Together - YouTube
08:28	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_EyXPs2_Jk
08:28	ozbot	Monkey To Man - YouTube
08:34	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY0oPg1h8fQ
08:34	ozbot	Jake Bugg - Lightning Bolt - Official Video - YouTube
08:38	mircea_popescu	.d
08:38	ozbot	2193847870.17428 | Next Diff in 2015 blocks | Estimated Change: -99.9392% in 27d 23h 17m 37s
08:39	mircea_popescu	lol -99.93% wouldn't that make some people happy
08:39	mircea_popescu	;;tslb
08:39	gribble	Time since last block: 10 minutes and 30 seconds
08:39	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOXBYb2YKHU scuzzi boss
08:39	ozbot	Busted Stuff: Dave Matthews Band - YouTube
08:40	Vexual	we must expoect negative diffiiculy estimates at some stage
08:41	Vexual	or ignore history
08:42	mircea_popescu	yeah, but apparently that stage is nowehre close
08:42	Vexual	defiine close
08:43	Vexual	2 years things will look different
08:43	mircea_popescu	i don't see how it could possibly keep up this ~50% a month for two years.
08:44	mircea_popescu	;;calc 1.2**52
08:44	mircea_popescu	herp.
08:45	mircea_popescu	13104x, so it'd be 26 exahash or some shit.
08:46	mircea_popescu	who knows, maybe.
08:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 21 @ 0.02889523 = 0.6068 BTC [+] {3}
08:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 180 @ 0.04999998 = 9 BTC [+] {2}
08:53	mircea_popescu	kyle_torpey http://mensnewsdaily.com/2014/01/14/the-implications-of-crypto-assets-part-1-a-history-of-bitcoin-stock-exchanges/ that you ?
08:54	kyle_torpey	mircea_popescu, yes
08:54	mircea_popescu	aha. so what's this mensnewsdaily thing ? your blog ?
08:55	kyle_torpey	a guy started a website called newswax and paid me to write bitcoin articles for him
08:55	kyle_torpey	i think he also posts them on that site
08:55	mircea_popescu	aha
08:55	kyle_torpey	because its picked up by google news
08:55	mircea_popescu	"Men’s News Daily is the premier on-line publication for articles, news stories and opinion on world politics with a focus on men’s rights in western culture."
08:55	mircea_popescu	now that's a concept.
08:59	kyle_torpey	well men have been put down in western culture for so long, you figure they need their own rights movement
09:02	deadweasel	human rights should cover it. this separate but equal is bullshit.
09:02	deadweasel	although so much legal cruft makes us uniquely targeted in US.
09:02	deadweasel	we need to find a way to remove the conditioning of our men in the states. so warped.
09:02	deadweasel	women too, but less important.
09:04	kyle_torpey	deadweasel, i was joking
09:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02889522 = 0.1156 BTC [-]
09:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 690 @ 0.00425866 = 2.9385 BTC [+] {17}
09:06	mircea_popescu	deadweasel i really don't get what the problem is. so a buncha doods are pussy whipped
09:06	mircea_popescu	why is this bad ?
09:07	mircea_popescu	let the girls have fun, they're still your chattel.
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09:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02889522 = 0.1156 BTC [-]
09:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.47015 = 1.8806 BTC [-] {3}
09:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.47 = 2.35 BTC [-] {2}
09:43	rattaTATI	MPoe hit. 001!
09:44	mircea_popescu	yest, yeah
09:44	rattaTATI	scams
09:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 973 @ 0.000901 = 0.8767 BTC [+]
09:46	rattaTATI	skimming logs, is Tiberius back as altkoin?
09:47	mircea_popescu	http://24.media.tumblr.com/164efa310cec91a84451386d1338413b/tumblr_mieobcxVL31s49lc7o1_1280.jpg
09:47	pankkake	kyle_torpey: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/01/24/0425256/court-says-craigslist-sperm-donor-must-pay-child-support
09:47	mircea_popescu	scamtits
09:47	mircea_popescu	pankkake lmao bum lesbians.
09:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.00090199 = 0.902 BTC [+]
09:49	mircea_popescu	the parties' self-designation of (Marotta) as a sperm donor is insufficient to relieve (Marotta) of parental right and responsibilities to the child, << basically the fiat court is saying, yet again, that it does not matter what the parties decide, because the court is superior.
09:49	mircea_popescu	this stands in stark contrast to our doctrine, as there is absolutely no law above the law of the parties.
09:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 46 @ 0.00300016 = 0.138 BTC [-] {2}
09:49	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2014#455873 etc
09:49	ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log
09:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 517 @ 0.003 = 1.551 BTC [-] {2}
09:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.003 = 3 BTC [-]
09:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.0029714 = 0.2882 BTC [-] {3}
09:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 25 @ 0.0045 = 0.1125 BTC [+] {2}
10:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.0045 = 0.135 BTC [+]
10:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.02889522 = 0.2601 BTC [-]
10:15	rattaTATI	haha I'm actually reading the premine details of this etherium thing
10:15	rattaTATI	such fail
10:16	rattaTATI	they want their million so bad
10:18	pankkake	why does everything has to be a coin?
10:18	Vexual	theres microscopes too, noone uses them
10:18	rattaTATI	cuz they must hazzadis their decentralization
10:18	Vexual	its the girl in the lab checking the motility of your sperm
10:18	rattaTATI	rather than offer an evil centralized service
10:20	pankkake	I'm sure you can have that stuff (at least in the same not-working state) without creating yet another currency
10:21	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nlpu7CezTQU
10:21	ozbot	Clare Bowditch - Bigger Than The Money - YouTube
10:24	rattaTATI	scam is apparrent in that etherium wanfts you to give them your bitcoins
10:25	rattaTATI	the irony of the launch asking for a bunch of bitcoins to make a better coin...
10:25	pankkake	lol, so many *coins doing that now
10:26	pankkake	IPOcoin
10:26	Vexual	cloudcoin cockcoin notcoin
10:26	jcpham	i have to force myself not to pay attention to bitcoin land
10:27	jcpham	alt coins just make me think this is all a big joke
10:28	Vexual	satoshi didnt make a stustless money system for every other turstless system to be called coin
10:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.04999999 = 0.5 BTC [+]
10:29	pankkake	at least we have a turtleless money system
10:29	Vexual	yes
10:30	Vexual	turtles are a pain in the arse'
10:31	nubbins`	hi
10:33	Vexual	hey mon
10:34	kakobrekla	hey mom
10:35	Vexual	hey, nom
10:35	nubbins`	h, money
10:36	Vexual	mmm, funny
10:38	Vexual	so piglet, u got honey or not?
10:40	nubbins`	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFRL7DXinGM
10:40	ozbot	Leonard Cohen - Hey, That's No Way To Say Goodbye / ISLE OF WIGHT 1970 - YouTube
10:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.02889522 = 0.5779 BTC [-]
10:40	nubbins`	^ watch and listen
10:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 896 @ 0.00462716 = 4.1459 BTC [-] {13}
10:41	Vexual	excellent ad
10:42	Vexual	top vid too
10:42	nubbins`	those ladies look high as shit
10:43	nubbins`	~2:00
10:43	mircea_popescu	so basically the economy of bitcoin is, "get a bunch of noobs to give you a bunch of bitcents on various pretenses, go buy s.mpoe"
10:43	Vexual	1 plant gets 15 years here
10:44	Vexual	i bought smidge for exposure to all the stupid shit, and thats what i got
10:44	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00099844 = 4.6927 BTC [-]
10:45	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: not true, some people don't go buy s.mpoe
10:45	nubbins`	vexual, 15 years for owning a plant
10:45	nubbins`	imagine
10:45	mircea_popescu	some people also don't make gem investments and shitty altcoin scams.
10:45	Vexual	yah
10:45	Vexual	viet vets shoot copters up north growing 303
10:46	nubbins`	on the upside, it seems like retailers accepting bitcoin has actually started to result in consumers spending bitcoin
10:46	Vexual	its half png half vietnam from 67
10:46	nubbins`	was it the humble indie bundle? or something? that said that like 1% of their sales came from btc after they started accepting it?
10:46	nubbins`	today you have tiger direct scooping up $0.25mn on day 1
10:47	mircea_popescu	indeed.
10:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00451699 = 0.1581 BTC [-] {2}
10:47	mircea_popescu	1% of humble bundle is what, 500 bux ?
10:47	Vexual	so bitcoins like a thng for internet commerce then?
10:47	nubbins`	it was laughably paltry
10:47	nubbins`	Vexual, it would seem so
10:48	Vexual	thatsll nevr catch on
10:48	nubbins`	i think a lot of this volume is driven by the fact that the people spending it bought in at a lower price
10:48	Vexual	email? just fax me
10:48	nubbins`	nobody who bought btc at $900 is buying bedsheets at overstock.com
10:49	mircea_popescu	why not ?
10:49	nubbins`	but the plebs who bought at, say, $400 are spitting out btc at everyone who will take them
10:49	Vexual	that egyptian cotton gets good after you wash it
10:49	mircea_popescu	that's a theory.
10:49	nubbins`	mircea_popescu, they still view their btc as being too valuable to spend
10:49	mircea_popescu	i see what you eman
10:49	nubbins`	now take people who bought at <$100
10:49	jcpham	nubbins` i did a 17 item overstock spree for shits and giggles
10:49	nubbins`	"look at all this free money i have! let's spend it!"
10:49	jcpham	then i followed suit at amagi and waited to see who shipped faster
10:50	jcpham	overstock won, but only by a day
10:50	Vexual	yeah but you only got a tide watch
10:50	jcpham	now there's art on the walls
10:50	jcpham	go figure
10:50	Vexual	oooh
10:50	nubbins`	thumbs up
10:50	jcpham	overstock has some odd shit bro
10:50	Vexual	nod, tre cool
10:51	jcpham	jewelry too if you're looking for assets to wear
10:51	jcpham	in case you go to jail and need to pawn them
10:51	Vexual	i'd prefer a picasso
10:51	nubbins`	heh
10:51	nubbins`	casascius coins on gold chains
10:51	kakobrekla	kinds miss something overstock-like in yurop
10:51	jcpham	remember: if you are wearing it they cannot "seize" it
10:52	nubbins`	hm, is that so?
10:52	kakobrekla	anyway, if you sit on a mil or ten, might not be a good idea to spend a percent to make your life better.
10:52	jcpham	it's jewelry
10:52	kakobrekla	eh
10:52	kakobrekla	-not
10:52	pankkake	so there's a market for solid gold butt plug
10:52	jcpham	i agree with kakobrekla
10:52	Vexual	yeah in dubai, illeagl and gold is gold
10:53	nubbins`	i agree with pankkake
10:53	Vexual	nos
10:53	Vexual	d
10:53	mircea_popescu	i agree with butt plugs
10:53	jcpham	seems overstock would have gold butt plus
10:53	pankkake	yes!
10:53	kakobrekla	taht not such bad idea
10:53	jcpham	that seems like anoverstock'd item
10:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02889526 = 0.1445 BTC [+]
10:53	mircea_popescu	;;google stretcher anal plug solid gold
10:53	gribble	King's Body Jewelry, 18 gauge - 3 inch plugs, eyelets, organic ...: <http://www.kingsbodyjewelry.com/1and14inch32mm.aspx>; Body piercing materials - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_piercing_materials>; Stretching (body piercing) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stretching_(body_piercing)>
10:53	mircea_popescu	there
10:53	pankkake	by the way, the rosebud butt plug is a proud French invention
10:53	nubbins`	lel
10:53	nubbins`	that's a different type of stretching
10:54	kakobrekla	golden buttplug - its an ivnestment which you can amortize
10:54	mircea_popescu	ahahaha
10:54	mircea_popescu	pankkake whoddunit ?
10:54	nubbins`	duchamp ;p
10:54	mircea_popescu	"ONE PAIR of 316L Stainless Steel earlets that are internally threaded. These tunnels have a screw on back piece so that you can insert them without having to force a double flared plugs in your piercing. This makes it much easier for people that have a hard time fitting double flared plugs in, or also those that just have a freshly stretched piercing and want a plug that is easy to insert."
10:55	mircea_popescu	bejesus
10:55	mircea_popescu	what is it with people
10:55	pankkake	http://www.rosebuds.net/ but the website used to be much less "professional"
10:55	ozbot	Rosebuds : Plus qu'un sextoy, le rosebud est un bijou intime
10:55	pankkake	Julian Snelling
10:55	mircea_popescu	bijou intime lol
10:55	pankkake	http://www.rosebuds.net/fr/galerie.aspx is a remnant of the old website
10:55	ozbot	Rosebuds
10:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02898999 = 0.2899 BTC [+]
10:57	Vexual	http://www.pablopicasso.org/images/paintings/the-weeping-woman.jpg 1937
10:58	nubbins`	heh
10:59	Vexual	its the depression and she srying becuase she can't afford a new hat
10:59	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: both of my earlobe piercings were stretched out to 18mm at one point
10:59	nubbins`	tiny again now tho
10:59	Vexual	is your slit pierced?
10:59	mircea_popescu	^
11:00	nubbins`	anyway this buttplug talk brought me to this lelly article: http://thoughtcatalog.com/koty-neelis/2013/10/can-you-please-not-wear-your-butt-plug-to-dinner-thanks/
11:00	nubbins`	my slit!
11:00	nubbins`	heh
11:00	nubbins`	i don't wear jewelry in anything now
11:00	mircea_popescu	nubbins` o wait, these are for ears
11:00	mircea_popescu	not for butthole.
11:00	mircea_popescu	nm
11:00	nubbins`	nod
11:00	pankkake	I still have a weird bump due to my industrial piercing :(
11:00	nubbins`	steel-reinforced anus, what must you think of people!
11:00	Vexual	dont you guys ahve tailors?
11:01	nubbins`	sure, tony the tailor will add a zipper to anything
11:01	nubbins`	trang garments too
11:01	Vexual	lol
11:01	nubbins`	altho they mostly do salvation army uniforms
11:01	nubbins`	fun fact, i used to wear a steel retainer in my septum but accidentally swallowed it while eating pussy
11:02	Vexual	£bc
11:02	mircea_popescu	haha
11:02	nubbins`	spent several seconds trying to decide how to tell a loved one that a chunk of something just fell out of their pussy
11:02	nubbins`	before i realized what had happened
11:03	mircea_popescu	wow srsly ?
11:03	nubbins`	nod
11:03	nubbins`	felt it go down
11:03	mircea_popescu	"what the fuck have you been sticking up there!!1"
11:03	mircea_popescu	"i just swallowed a can"
11:04	nubbins`	although much smaller, the hole is still there. great party trick
11:06	Vexual	if you ask your tailor to put a button hole somewhere strange, he will tell you to come bacj when you are sober
11:06	mircea_popescu	my tailor would just be thankful i didn't want the butthole put on her.
11:06	Vexual	u have a woman?
11:07	mircea_popescu	aren't they all ?
11:07	Vexual	i talk to a man, i don't kno who sews it
11:07	mircea_popescu	i don't think i've ever seen not-a-woman tailor
11:07	mircea_popescu	it's like das or criminal pathologists. they're all womenz.
11:08	Vexual	perhaps i only talk to salesmen
11:08	punkman1	male tailors are like a british thing
11:08	nubbins`	tony the tailor!
11:08	mircea_popescu	(and strangely, nobody holds conferences about how theres no men in criminal pathology, either.
11:08	mircea_popescu	including the Criminal Pathology Today trade rag)
11:08	nubbins`	this reminds me that i need a pair of pants altered
11:09	Vexual	get it right, im not wearing underwear
11:10	Vexual	thats tantamount to sexual assualt if female tailor
11:10	mircea_popescu	no it's not
11:11	nubbins`	i generally don't wear the garment that requires altering when visiting the tailor
11:12	Vexual	well one probaby shoundt pop into see the tailor on freeballin days either way
11:12	nubbins`	one probably shouldn't get ball sweat all over one's pants
11:13	mircea_popescu	nubbins` "the very pants i was about to return!!1"
11:13	nubbins`	"sir, these pants smell of duck butter"
11:13	nubbins`	i don't need to be authed to ;;ud, do i?
11:14	nubbins`	;;ud duck butter
11:14	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=duck%20butter | The combination of sweat from the ballsac and anus that creates a buttery film on the grundle and butthole. occuring usually from an unwashed scrot...
11:14	ozbot	Urban Dictionary: duck butter
11:14	Vexual	try these for sixe
11:14	Vexual	no
11:14	Vexual	why not
11:14	Vexual	coz im the fucking xustomer
11:14	nubbins`	i think i know what a grundle is, although it's a new word for me
11:14	nubbins`	;;ud grundle
11:14	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=grundle | The prime piece of real estate located conveniently between Scrotumburg and Anusville.
11:14	ozbot	Urban Dictionary: grundle
11:14	nubbins`	HEH
11:15	Vexual	drop the crotch a few inches
11:15	Vexual	di eet!
11:15	nubbins`	"I hit the flush button and I feel the air from the VCHT (vacuum, collection, and holding tank) system pass over my grundle. That one full second of cool air down below is one of the few perks of the day and of the job."
11:16	Vexual	how often do newly tatood people tell their artist it looks shit?
11:16	mircea_popescu	50% of the tme ?
11:17	Vexual	they think it, and never say it, ever
11:17	nubbins`	^
11:17	nubbins`	i have a friend with a misspelled tattoo
11:18	nubbins`	your instead of you're
11:18	pankkake	oh god
11:18	Vexual	i bet she paid the full asking price too
11:18	nubbins`	he
11:18	NineBitByte	at least you can probably fix it (squeeze in 're somewhere)
11:18	nubbins`	nah, there was no room for fixing it
11:18	nubbins`	the script was really cramped
11:18	pankkake	that's a reason for suicide
11:18	nubbins`	he got it at the ripe old age of 14
11:18	pankkake	lol
11:18	mircea_popescu	a, it's a he
11:18	nubbins`	from the sort of shop that tattoos 14 year olds
11:18	mircea_popescu	who the fuck cares what his skin says.
11:19	mircea_popescu	if it were a woman it'd have been a problem
11:19	deadweasel	mircea_popescu: that's not the problem as I see it. coping mechanism as children become their de facto way of being "MEN"(careers, dads, husbands, tax-paying, nationalists, etc)... It happens so early nobody knows truly why they do anything.
11:19	nubbins`	well, he doesn't, is the thing
11:19	nubbins`	he's perfectly fine with it
11:19	nubbins`	deadweasel, that's the problem with becoming a dad/husband too early
11:19	nubbins`	the fuck does a 20 year old know about life?
11:20	Vexual	if you dont like it, we can shoot you with a laser and burn it off
11:20	deadweasel	i agree nubbins`
11:20	nubbins`	what wisdom can he possibly impart upon his offspring?
11:20	mircea_popescu	deadweasel "nobody"
11:20	nubbins`	aside from "don't follow in my footsteps"
11:20	deadweasel	even if he had it, does he have a way of imparting it? not if he ascribes to his own conditioning.
11:20	nubbins`	which the kid could figure out on his own, over time
11:20	mircea_popescu	right-o. so ideally 14 to 16 yo womens marry 30 to 50 yo men ?
11:20	nubbins`	Vexual: then you have a lovely scar in the shape of a misspelled word
11:21	mircea_popescu	yet another reason why teh arab world will buttrape the us.
11:21	nubbins`	mircea_popescu, if you get married before 30 you're cracked
11:21	mircea_popescu	they're doing exactly this.
11:21	deadweasel	nubbins`: +1
11:21	mircea_popescu	nubbins` as a woman ?!
11:21	Vexual	milky
11:21	nubbins`	as a man
11:21	mircea_popescu	myeah.
11:21	nubbins`	can't speak to the female experience
11:21	deadweasel	then the whole comedy restarts, with no gain in knowledge/wisdom etc... used to be passed down. now internet.
11:22	nubbins`	^
11:22	mircea_popescu	no gain ? ample loss.
11:22	deadweasel	yup
11:22	mircea_popescu	people have somehow forgotten - over a generation - that if you can't afford disposable diapers
11:22	mircea_popescu	YOU CAN STILL USE THE OLD STYLE
11:22	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fQYZ67GOEs
11:22	ozbot	eminem - Kill you with lyrics - YouTube
11:22	nubbins`	^^
11:22	nubbins`	i was raised on cloth diapers
11:22	deadweasel	i'm wearing one right now
11:22	deadweasel	:P
11:22	mircea_popescu	lol
11:22	deadweasel	jokes
11:22	Vexual	nice double ^
11:22	nubbins`	this is symptomatic of a wider "old is bad, new is good" belief
11:23	deadweasel	it's insane
11:23	mircea_popescu	nubbins` which is fine, but then... cabby i know, can barely make his car payments, made 100 yest
11:23	mircea_popescu	spent 70 on pampers.
11:23	mircea_popescu	woman doesn't work.
11:23	mircea_popescu	im like what the fuck is wrong with you you retarded boi!
11:23	Vexual	put it in a home
11:24	nubbins`	it's only in the past couple generations, AFAICT, that this severing of traditions/knowledge-sharing has really ramped up
11:24	mircea_popescu	missy precious can wash the diapers. by hand. in cold water. in the front of the house, naked.
11:24	mircea_popescu	so all the neighbours can see how poor and abject she is.
11:24	mircea_popescu	he'll have a much better life after a week or two of this.
11:24	Vexual	do photograph that with nice lighting
11:25	nubbins`	the book "ishmael" covers this topic at length
11:25	deadweasel	aw yes! book helped me realize I wasn't insane at a young age
11:25	mircea_popescu	omfg these book things keep stealing my banal ideas before i even say them
11:25	deadweasel	it was everyone else
11:25	nubbins`	heheh
11:25	mircea_popescu	BURN ALL THE BOOKS
11:25	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: daniel quinn, worth a read
11:25	deadweasel	lol
11:25	mircea_popescu	o wait.
11:25	mircea_popescu	IN ORDER TO BETTER PRESERVE TRADITION, BURN ALL THE BOOKS!
11:26	kakobrekla	i hate tradition.
11:26	mircea_popescu	;;google fiddler on the roof, "tradition, tradition" scene
11:26	gribble	Fiddler on the roof - Tradition ( with subtitles ) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRdfX7ut8gw>; Opening Title(Instrumental half of Tradition)- Fiddler on the Roof film ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD_hAujgt0A>; Fiddler On The Roof -- (Movie Clip) Open, Tradition: <http://www.tcm.com/mediaroom/video/291506/Fiddler-On-The-Roof-Movie-Clip-Open-Tradition.html>
11:26	mircea_popescu	whoa, google works if you talk to it as if it were a human being.
11:27	Vexual	then it serves you ads
11:29	Vexual	i search for goa and tomato so much i get ads about eggs
11:29	nubbins`	"serves" isn't the right word
11:29	Vexual	*goat
11:29	deadweasel	;;google goat eating a tomatoe in his lambo
11:29	gribble	Summergrove Estate – PACKAGES: <http://www.summergrove.com.au/packages/>; Fast food recipes: Tomato and goat's cheese tart | Mail Online: <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/food/article-2037766/Fast-food-recipes-Tomato-goats-cheese-tart.html>; eat & drink - Cucina: <http://eatcucina.com/website/page/bistroeatanddrink>
11:29	deadweasel	tomato*
11:29	Vexual	nubs how to clean a fowl? one of my pullets is rooster and wakes me too earyl
11:30	nubbins`	THE PAPA *chop chop*
11:30	deadweasel	slit zee throat, bleed it, pluck, wash, cook.
11:30	deadweasel	nom nom nom
11:30	Vexual	thought so
11:30	nubbins`	who the fuck taught those women to knead dough?
11:31	nubbins`	it's not a stepchild, you don't just punch it into submission
11:31	deadweasel	All american women NEED Dough$
11:31	Vexual	im like that romainian girl that bakes bread for the first time and gets it so right that it should be illegal
11:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.004625 = 0.1388 BTC [+]
11:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 359 @ 0.0004798 = 0.1722 BTC [+]
11:31	deadweasel	lol, nubbins`
11:31	nubbins`	Vexual, i know a guy in st pierre who worked at a chicken factory
11:31	nubbins`	he said step 1 was to grab a chicken
11:32	nubbins`	and the rest just followed
11:32	deadweasel	i like those instructions better
11:32	deadweasel	grab chicken, progress to food.
11:32	Vexual	i could cook it like kangaroo tail
11:32	nubbins`	heh
11:32	nubbins`	i have to say that i've come very close to mastering the art of sourdough bread
11:32	Vexual	guts in, burn on charcoal until untasty bits are gone
11:33	Vexual	got a good rise happening?
11:33	nubbins`	yeah
11:33	nubbins`	took me almost a year to figure it out
11:33	Vexual	did your culture just get better?
11:34	nubbins`	the flavors generally do get better over time, but it's actually the method that i changed
11:34	nubbins`	now i pre-invigorate by mixing the starter, sugar, and warm water
11:34	nubbins`	let that sit for 30 minutes in a warm place, and THEN add flour+salt
11:34	Vexual	do tell, i always get flat sourdough, and my fridge has all kinds of shit gowing in it
11:35	nubbins`	idea is that the yeast cells are very active by the time the flour is added
11:35	Vexual	nod
11:35	nubbins`	and all dispersed through the water, which gives an even distribution
11:35	nubbins`	throughout the dough
11:35	nubbins`	with minimal kneading necessary
11:36	Vexual	dont knead too much and cook hot?
11:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04999999 = 0.25 BTC [+]
11:36	nubbins`	i bake at 425 for 15 minutes
11:36	nubbins`	from what i understand, this is both fast and cool
11:36	Vexual	ever tried damper?
11:36	nubbins`	i think a lot of it depends on the specific set of yeasts and bacterias that your starter ends up consisting of
11:37	nubbins`	damper, hmm, no
11:37	Vexual	its australian bush bread, doughy and eaten with butter
11:38	nubbins`	wow, so it's actually covered in ash?
11:38	Vexual	yah real shit is
11:38	nubbins`	interesting
11:38	mircea_popescu	<nubbins`> it's not a stepchild, you don't just punch it into submission <<< ahaha
11:38	Vexual	ands its as good as currency, it trades for tobacco and shit
11:38	mircea_popescu	they're actors.
11:38	nubbins`	"traditional" bread here is hard tack
11:39	nubbins`	must be boiled before consuming unless you have teeth of steel
11:39	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: good thing, because they can't bake for shit
11:41	nubbins`	oh, i was on the news last night
11:41	nubbins`	http://imgur.com/6qwxnQ7
11:41	mircea_popescu	baking ?!
11:41	ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
11:42	nubbins`	sharing my thoughts on the resignation of our premier
11:42	mircea_popescu	hey, you look lik ea person and everything
11:42	nubbins`	yeah, they caught my good side
11:42	mircea_popescu	i wonder what the "x has been on the news" concentration is here as opposed to internet average
11:42	Vexual	wheres the beard?
11:43	mircea_popescu	i mean kako is prolly on the news weekly as the only somalian with an internet connection...
11:43	nubbins`	vexual, shaved it for a court appearance some months ago
11:43	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmFnarFSj_U
11:43	mircea_popescu	nubbins` they have that us law that bearded people are to be sent to jail there too ?!
11:43	pankkake	"All things considered, I'd say we did a pretty good job of preserving purchasing power in the rise from $100 to $1000 BTC. During that time we went from about 0.032/share to 0.0034/share."
11:43	mircea_popescu	bnwajaja
11:43	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: civil case, not criminal ;)
11:43	ozbot	THE BEARDS - If Your Dad Doesn't Have a Beard, You've Got Two Mums (Official Film Clip) - YouTube
11:43	mircea_popescu	who is that pankkake ?
11:44	kakobrekla	NEO
11:44	kakobrekla	i bet.
11:44	nubbins`	Vexual: great video
11:44	Vexual	:)
11:44	pankkake	kakobrekla: too soon for neo
11:44	pankkake	it's not hard to guess
11:44	kakobrekla	oh i missed? dayum
11:44	mircea_popescu	pretty good job of "preserving buying power" ?!
11:44	mircea_popescu	this is a redefinition of an inexistent problem, it's like "we did a pretty good job of not gruesomely murdering our customers"
11:45	mircea_popescu	"they only get food poisoning like half the time, tops, and it's rarely fatal"
11:45	kakobrekla	who is it then?
11:45	mircea_popescu	"a woman and her daughter had been eating here for even like two weeks each day. well... 10 days"
11:46	pankkake	it's https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430454.0
11:47	kakobrekla	that thing lives?
11:47	nubbins`	"lives"
11:47	nubbins`	actually, that civil case is still dragging out
11:47	nubbins`	was filing papers yesterday
11:48	nubbins`	deadbeats, take heed: i will be made whole!
11:48	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXRqH0EBRks
11:48	ozbot	Cheech And Chong- Trippin in court - YouTube
11:49	Vexual	thats arlo guthrie on the intro
11:52	Vexual	https://www.morrisonhotelgallery.com/images/medium/ArloGuthrie_Motorcycle11x14796.jpg
11:52	assbot	123!
11:53	nubbins`	http://drhguy.com/2013/07/04/leonard-cohen-arlo-guthrie-1967-newport-festival/
11:53	ozbot	Leonard Cohen & Arlo Guthrie – 1967 Newport Festival | DrHGuy - Another Other Leonard Cohen Site
11:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.0009049 = 0.9049 BTC [+]
11:54	Vexual	ever seen folk uke?
11:54	Vexual	arlo and willies daughters have a band
11:54	Duffer1	"We have about 5 bitcoins left sitting in a wallet which I will probably use to buy the new butterfly labs hardware" < ಠ_ಠ
11:54	Vexual	alt 253
11:56	nubbins`	HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
11:56	nubbins`	duffer
11:56	nubbins`	my sides
11:56	nubbins`	"we have about one teaspoon of peanut butter left which i will probably inject into my penis"
11:56	nubbins`	^ a member of the donner party
11:57	nubbins`	aaaaah i'm dying here
11:57	nubbins`	lel
11:57	Duffer1	i don't even...
11:57	Vexual	me too, i spent my last 5 on bfl
11:57	Duffer1	:(
11:57	nubbins`	"what should we do with our last 5btc?" " i know! let's turn it into 2btc!"
11:58	nubbins`	handshakes and back-pats
11:58	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqg3kcwAgso
11:58	ozbot	Melanie Safka - Look What They've Done To My Song Ma - YouTube
11:59	nubbins`	;;bc,xay
11:59	gribble	Error: "bc,xay" is not a valid command.
11:59	nubbins`	er
11:59	nubbins`	;;bc,xau
11:59	gribble	1 XAU = 1241.700000000000 USD = 1.35378677613 BTC
12:00	mircea_popescu	lawl usagi
12:01	nubbins`	http://e1.static.hoptopboy.com/11793/21029/114797/11793B/image114797.gif
12:01	mircea_popescu	<nubbins`> "what should we do with our last 5btc?" " i know! let's turn it into 2btc!" <<< gotta preserve that lol power parity...
12:01	nubbins`	the pirate bay always has interesting banner ads
12:01	Vexual	such canadian
12:01	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: the other 3btc was directly converted to lels
12:02	Duffer1	i can't stop staring
12:02	nubbins`	Vexual: the implication is that the girl needs to use a website to find people to fuck
12:02	mircea_popescu	me @piratebay "hey, give me your adspace" piratebay @me "if you would like to advertise pls talk to whatever random dorks we are using to mismanage our only source of revenue"
12:02	mircea_popescu	me @piratebay "no, you don't understand. i don't talk to dorks. smarten up"
12:03	mircea_popescu	this was a month or so ago. apparently it takes them longer than a month to figure the money angle out.
12:03	mircea_popescu	kids today.
12:03	nubbins`	who's even running tpb now?
12:03	nubbins`	that bearded fella is still in jail
12:03	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRZdEqpTmD4
12:03	ozbot	Lee Perry - Super Ape - YouTube
12:03	mircea_popescu	mwanwhile "Dow industrials down 200 as stocks’ slide steepens" and "jpm dimon thinks he has something to say on bitcoin".
12:04	Vexual	wheres the gold and why no mill the oak?
12:04	mircea_popescu	ppl be having intellectual retardation issues.
12:04	nubbins`	dimon, lel
12:04	nubbins`	he's like those anti-railroad people who claimed that the human body wasn't designed to handle such speeds
12:05	Apocalyptic	<mircea_popescu> ppl be having intellectual retardation issues. <<
12:05	Vexual	bash it
12:05	nubbins`	"your body will explode! take a horse and carriage, both of which i incidentally sell/rent!"
12:06	nubbins`	;;ticker --last
12:06	gribble	919.01
12:07	Vexual	stick with island
12:10	rattaTATpow	CNN top story: "Should pregnant woman stay on respirator? Husband says she is 'empty shell' "
12:10	rattaTATpow	well is she pregnant or empty?
12:10	Vexual	then shes not pregnant
12:11	rattaTATpow	sounds like the start of a good child horror movie
12:11	rattaTATpow	kid comes out a zombified serial killer
12:11	Vexual	nah, very autistic with mental powers
12:12	rattaTATpow	dad wants to bury her
12:12	nubbins`	Should premature baby be kept alive in incubator? Husband says it is 'empty plastic box'
12:12	Vexual	yeah i dont know how much say hubby has when its a new child
12:12	nubbins`	Should pregnant woman stay on respirator? Husband says 'I never wanted the fuckin thing'
12:13	nubbins`	Should pregnant woman stay on respirator? Husband says 'This will severely limit my ability to get new pussy'
12:13	rattaTATpow	"Why brain dead means really dead" sub headline
12:13	rattaTATpow	sounds like a premise for a mp article
12:14	Vexual	sounds lie a premise for an md article
12:14	nubbins`	The family's attorneys more recently said that Marlise's fetus "is distinctly abnormal," suffering from hydrocephalus and "deformed to the extent that the gender cannot be determined."
12:14	nubbins`	ah, well then
12:15	nubbins`	good thing they waited til halfway through the article to drop that
12:15	nubbins`	bbl, installing shelves
12:20	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scOAUt3Q0M8
12:20	ozbot	Amy Winehouse Audition - YouTube
12:22	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENro5DxEX98
12:22	ozbot	Black Grape - Dadi Was A Badi (Live) - YouTube
12:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 56 @ 0.004625 = 0.259 BTC [+]
12:27	mircea_popescu	<nubbins`> good thing they waited til halfway through the article to drop that << see, this is why it doesn't sound like a mp article.
12:29	Vexual	straight ragin from the get go huh mp?
12:30	mircea_popescu	well certainly not manufactured "here's some banal shit let me keep quiet about salient points maybe you read through"
12:30	Vexual	nah more like cop this
12:31	Vexual	wrong hole? bad lcuk
12:33	Vexual	etymology and shit
12:33	deadweasel	oh fail: http://usvsth3m.com/post/74285062011/you-wont-believe-why-the-victoria-line-is-currently
12:34	Duffer1	i heard cement may be bad for electronics, but i'm skeptical
12:35	Vexual	its caustic
12:38	Vexual	tswhy onw tins plugs
12:40	the20year	wow
12:40	Vexual	did you just compare the sg of concrete to seawater?
12:49	deadweasel	oh, interesting:
12:49	deadweasel	http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/10594718/Why-sugar-helped-remove-Victoria-Line-concrete-flood.html
12:49	ozbot	Why sugar helped remove Victoria Line concrete flood - Telegraph
12:49	Vexual	sugar retards setting
12:50	Vexual	piss speeds it up but its hardly ever required
12:51	deadweasel	sugar retards people too.
12:52	Vexual	ug fucking paleo bullshit
12:52	deadweasel	i'd like to pee on my coworkers, see if it speeds them up, so I don't have to test 3 weeks work of code in 3 days.
12:52	deadweasel	s/work/worth
12:52	Vexual	so unscience
12:52	deadweasel	Vexual, if you lyme disease, and eat sugar, you're gonna have a bad time.
12:53	deadweasel	source: science
12:53	Vexual	u have lyme disease?
12:53	deadweasel	unfuckingfortunately
12:53	deadweasel	i'm not quite sure if it's chronic yet
12:53	deadweasel	2 months ABX knocked it out,but there is no way to know if it's for good
12:53	deadweasel	fucking cyst form of lyme is the body ninja, no drug can really find it all.
12:54	Vexual	tried jesus heb?
12:54	pankkake	if you are human and eat sugar you're gonna have a bad time
12:54	deadweasel	looking into bacteriophage from Tblisi
12:54	deadweasel	praying? no.
12:54	Vexual	seriously, have you friend moroccan kif?
12:54	deadweasel	not moroccan, it's grown in my spare room.
12:55	mircea_popescu	https://blockchain.info/tx/b94eaf3c16ad7dd35ea3b9e11a70cf9172adf4898c9b4db90761ef4ba327e777
12:55	ozbot	Bitcoin Transaction b94eaf3c16ad7dd35ea3b9e11a70cf9172adf4898c9b4db90761ef4ba327e777
12:55	mircea_popescu	Estimated BTC Transacted0.00144397 BTC
12:55	mircea_popescu	right on.
12:55	Vexual	so block
12:55	pankkake	fuck blockchain.info showing me dollars by default
12:56	mircea_popescu	^
12:56	Vexual	just click the green box, didn't you read the bible
12:56	mircea_popescu	idiots using dollars should have to doi an extra click.
12:56	pankkake	yeah, but now I have to click it every time
12:57	mircea_popescu	not the fucking other way around
12:57	Vexual	if blockchain.info break, how mych other stuuf breaks?
12:57	NineBitByte	agreed.
12:58	NineBitByte	uh, everything using blockchain.info's API and their wallet site/apps
12:58	NineBitByte	blockchain.info =/= bitcoin's blockchain
12:58	pankkake	especially since blockchain.info has been behind a few times already
12:58	mircea_popescu	well, bitbet doesn't.
12:59	mircea_popescu	so... "everything [that doesn't matter]"
12:59	kakobrekla	use blockr.io
13:00	kakobrekla	but if you wouldnt have adblock enabled on bitbet you would already know that.
13:00	Vexual	you learn soemthing new everyday
13:00	pankkake	blockr.io sucks
13:01	Vexual	yeah imma drink two vodkas and forget that
13:01	kakobrekla	your vacuum cleaner sucks
13:01	pankkake	lol now after litecoin they had "digitalcoin"
13:01	NineBitByte	haha
13:01	kakobrekla	its their revenue model
13:01	pankkake	add*
13:01	pankkake	my vacuum cleaner isn't sucking as well as it used to :(
13:01	kakobrekla	altchainers pay to get added here
13:01	pankkake	hahaha
13:01	pankkake	smart
13:01	deadweasel	pankkake: remove your cock from the intake. worked for me.
13:02	Vexual	having trouble breathing deadweasel?
13:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8000 @ 0.00008505 = 0.6804 BTC [-]
13:02	deadweasel	yes, but I have oxygen max on my genitals now, much better.
13:03	Vexual	if your membrum is bubbling, it might be gonorreah
13:03	deadweasel	it was when I was 17, dirty slag.
13:03	deadweasel	course your best friend's brothers fuck buddy was probably a poor choice.
13:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00008505 = 0.1701 BTC [-]
13:03	deadweasel	wait no, it was the clap
13:03	deadweasel	it burned
13:04	deadweasel	so burning
13:04	deadweasel	much discharge << no you can't unread that.
13:05	deadweasel	no i can't unsend it, either.
13:06	Vexual	nnone gives a fuck if you had gonorreah
13:06	deadweasel	i realize too late, most things.
13:06	deadweasel	deal with it
13:07	deadweasel	,/ignore is good
13:07	jcpham	shitty baby vagina
13:08	jcpham	no, that doesn't sound like fun at all, does it?
13:10	Vexual	if doctor greg mulhausen had gonorreah hed reduce his management fee by half
13:11	Vexual	he is very professional like that
13:12	Vexual	noot very wall street tho, go figure
13:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02897998 = 0.1449 BTC [-]
13:15	pankkake	how can you be wall street?
13:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00048 = 0.24 BTC [+]
13:16	cads	hey mircea_popescu, I think one of your wishes is coming true: https://proofmarket.org/problem
13:16	Vexual	just strutting, and droppying the lingo
13:16	cads	mircea_popescu: it's a bounty market for mathematical proofs as formalized in either the coq or agda computer proof systems.
13:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 250 @ 0.00048 = 0.12 BTC [+]
13:17	Vexual	and yuo complain when bitcoin tools dont match expectations, then yuo do it again
13:17	nubbins`	hmm
13:17	mircea_popescu	cads i think asciilifeform was wishing a similar thing
13:17	nubbins`	Vexual, my last name is a homonym of "kif"
13:17	nubbins`	all of the hostel owners i met in morocco found this endlessly entertaining
13:18	Vexual	nubbin bubble?
13:18	nubbins`	"last name?" "keefe" "ah, should i call police?"
13:18	nubbins`	"plz no"
13:18	Vexual	ah cool
13:18	nubbins`	then canada customs has the audacity to search me upon return
13:19	nubbins`	as if i'd go to another country to buy cannabis and then bring it back to canada
13:19	nubbins`	that's like leaving russia to smuggle home vodka
13:19	Vexual	thats why i carry my pasport in my rectum, sves time
13:19	nubbins`	TBF i saw the search coming as soon as i stared talking to the agent
13:19	nubbins`	"so where are you coming from?"
13:19	nubbins`	"london"
13:19	nubbins`	"how long were you there?"
13:20	nubbins`	"just a day. i was in morocco for a week before that, and before THAT, i was in london for about 12 hours"
13:20	Vexual	we got rfid passports now, so i dont even need to take it out
13:20	nubbins`	"just so i get this straight..."
13:20	Vexual	heathrow marakesh heathrow
13:21	Vexual	i collect spams
13:21	nubbins`	technically i flew from Luton to Marrakesh
13:21	Vexual	*stamps
13:21	Vexual	ah pov airways
13:21	kakobrekla	blow stamps?
13:21	nubbins`	but i did go canada-uk via heathrow
13:21	kakobrekla	i collect those too.
13:22	nubbins`	anyway, marrakesh has passable hash
13:22	deadweasel	pass it to me
13:22	nubbins`	it's pretty heavy on the heat tho
13:22	Vexual	varanasi is stae of the art
13:22	nubbins`	hard to walk 10 feet without someone whispering "hashish" to you
13:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 600 @ 0.00090495 = 0.543 BTC [+]
13:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1900 @ 0.00008749 = 0.1662 BTC [+] {2}
13:24	nubbins`	any of you been to berlin?
13:24	kakobrekla	some years ago
13:25	nubbins`	planning to visit this summer
13:26	assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 1200 @ 0.0016745 = 2.0094 BTC [-]
13:26	Vexual	hand rubbed from tall slender plnts at 4000 mteres
13:27	Vexual	buy a nice chillum and get a big lungful first time you try
13:27	nubbins`	you assumed that i don't own a nice chillum? ;(
13:27	kakobrekla	id stop by room77 if id go.
13:28	nubbins`	"warm beer, cold women and fast food made slow"?
13:28	Vexual	i asumed you're not taking it on the jumbo
13:28	kakobrekla	mhm
13:28	kakobrekla	gotta love their site :)
13:28	Vexual	if you buy a beer in india they put it under the table
13:29	Vexual	but they will ahnd you a chillum
13:29	nubbins`	kako, i'm enjoying it now
13:30	Vexual	and whisky dens ar efun
13:31	Vexual	strange men come and skull a half while i slowly sip two full bottles
13:31	Vexual	they bring e food
13:32	Vexual	vegetarians bringing every meat they can find to sole the puzzle
13:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00308802 = 1.544 BTC [+] {6}
13:39	Vexual	they serve the mathanol and i never ask of the lavatory
13:41	Vexual	tolah?
13:41	Vexual	yes please
13:42	Vexual	hoi
13:42	NGB_	hi all
13:43	Vexual	hey kgb
13:44	NGB_	http://tip4commit.com donate for your preffered pen source projects
13:44	nubbins`	uh
13:44	nubbins`	will not visit
13:44	Vexual	hey ngb, i was teling a sorty about how i gave half of mubai disentry
13:45	mircea_popescu	redditards heard of irc, think it's reddit.
13:45	Vexual	cant sell 10 tons of teak on reddit
13:45	jurov	iirc there was a foyer channel
13:46	jurov	but dounni if it ever work as intended
13:46	jurov	*dunno
13:48	jurov	;;ticker
13:48	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 928.0, Best ask: 928.9198, Bid-ask spread: 0.91980, Last trade: 929.0, 24 hour volume: 5283.89219216, 24 hour low: 903.4, 24 hour high: 955.0, 24 hour vwap: 922.64796
13:48	assbot	123!
13:48	jurov	sooo, my x.eur shorting play ops are almost concluded, it can go up now
13:48	Apocalyptic	Dimon gets rewarded for his btc non-sense
13:48	Apocalyptic	J.P. Morgan to Raise Dimon's Pay to $20 Million
13:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00099944 = 5.5469 BTC [+]
13:50	nubbins`	$20 million
13:51	mircea_popescu	lol
13:51	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic o looky, he makes in a year almost what i made a month in 2013.
13:51	mircea_popescu	congrats to the fiats!
13:52	nubbins`	offer him a job
13:53	nubbins`	he obviously doesn't mind degrading himself for money
13:54	mircea_popescu	what am i going to do with a decrepit old man with no skills ?
13:54	Vexual	dashcam
13:55	Apocalyptic	Hearn & Dimon hot webcam : tonight's special
13:55	nubbins`	mircea_popescu, dunno, use him as a coffee table
13:55	nubbins`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=317651.msg4713737#msg4713737
13:56	ozbot	[CLOSED] Friedcat t-shirt group buy #3
13:56	nubbins`	can someone explain to me what that image means?
13:56	mircea_popescu	pretty much the only people who'd watch that would be redditors linking the "bitbet r scam" thread
13:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00099715 = 21.6382 BTC [-] {2}
13:57	rattaTATpow	i know it
13:57	rattaTATpow	richard sherman of the seahawks
13:57	rattaTATpow	is #25
13:57	kakobrekla	shttp://www.entrepreneur.com/article/231033
13:57	rattaTATpow	he's the smart black guy actin not smart
13:57	kakobrekla	http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/231033
13:57	ozbot	These Angel Investors Want to Make Bitcoin 'Sexy' for Average People | Entrepreneur.com
13:57	Apocalyptic	In the meeting, which took place in the offices of Manhattan U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara, one member of Mr. Bharara's team asked why certain people within J.P. Morgan's were still working at the bank despite failures to adequately investigate suspicions about Mr. Madoff.
13:57	Apocalyptic	Mr. Dimon, according to these people, said the bank removes people for incompetence but noted that wasn't the case here. "If you want me to fire them," he added, "give me their names and I will fire them."
13:57	rattaTATpow	after shutting down the 49ers
13:57	nubbins`	ah
13:57	nubbins`	i don't follow hand-egg, this is all lost on me
13:57	rattaTATpow	i dont either
13:57	Vexual	nubbins' looks like a king in scribblenaughts :)
13:58	rattaTATpow	i happened to watch 5min of the gam
13:58	rattaTATpow	e
13:58	rattaTATpow	the guys is pretty cool actually
13:58	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21002 @ 0.00100134 = 21.0301 BTC [+] {4}
13:59	nubbins`	Vexual, that's lifted from a rejected Eulora splash screen :P
13:59	rattaTATpow	sherman "A lion doesn't concern himself with the opinions of a sheep."
14:01	pankkake	lol hand-egg
14:02	kakobrekla	you cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship
14:03	kakobrekla	basically same thing as psi laju karavani prolaze
14:03	nubbins`	http://i1.minus.com/jbavqfOHKNASMY.png
14:03	nubbins`	not really sure why it didn't get picked.
14:08	nubbins`	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jskq3-lpQnE
14:08	ozbot	Richard Stallman Freaks Out and Has a Meltdown - YouTube
14:08	nubbins`	what a strange man
14:08	mircea_popescu	again ?
14:09	pankkake	no that's the same one
14:09	nubbins`	yeah that's from 2012 i think
14:09	nubbins`	just came across it agin
14:09	nubbins`	*again
14:10	nubbins`	i attended a talk by Rolf Heuer from CERN a while back, was slightly disappointed to not see him freak out
14:10	nubbins`	i guess the beard just started my wishful thinking
14:11	pankkake	http://youtu.be/9sJUDx7iEJw here's a better side of RMS
14:11	ozbot	Richard Stallman Free software Song - YouTube
14:12	nubbins`	pankkake: http://i.imgur.com/Vi68QxH.png
14:12	nubbins`	replace the B with a FSF logo and that's essentially him
14:12	pankkake	lol
14:13	nubbins`	a fat bearded wild-man slapping a laptop and chanting "join us" to a bunch of ecuadorians
14:13	nubbins`	i don't even
14:16	simlay	I saw rms at uc berkeley a couple months back. He didn't wear shoes throughout the whole talk.
14:17	simlay	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ
14:17	ozbot	Richard Stallman Eats Something From His Foot - YouTube
14:17	mircea_popescu	ew jesus
14:18	mircea_popescu	this entire fucking "presentation" bullshit has been the worst idea ever.
14:18	mircea_popescu	engineers do not belong outside of the basement. let people do what they're good at ffs.
14:18	nubbins`	^ with rare exceptions, this is true
14:19	nubbins`	it's truly a rare person who is both a leader in their field and able to communicate with the public at their level
14:19	mircea_popescu	if you plot rms' output and his public speaking, the results are pretty sad.
14:19	rattaTATpow	its why etherium cant work too
14:19	mircea_popescu	the more speaking he does the less he's being useful.
14:19	rattaTATpow	the dude is a tinkerer, he'll never follow through
14:20	simlay	rattaTATpow: The awkward founder kid?
14:20	rattaTATpow	tinkerers are not CEOs or bosses or salesman
14:20	rattaTATpow	vitalik
14:20	simlay	Yeah
14:20	rattaTATpow	from bitcoin magazine
14:20	rattaTATpow	4mos ago he wanted to do quantum mining
14:20	nubbins`	heh
14:20	nubbins`	QUANTUM MINING
14:20	simlay	lol.
14:21	nubbins`	JURISPRUDENT WAFFLE MAKING
14:21	nubbins`	he wanted to do [random word] [random bitcoin term]
14:22	nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/tom-marshall-sworn-in-as-11th-premier-1.2509302
14:22	ozbot	Tom Marshall sworn in as 11th premier - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
14:22	pankkake	time spent communicating about a project is usually inversely correlated to the advancement of the project
14:22	nubbins`	see the guy on the right-hand side of the picture?
14:22	Apocalyptic	<nubbins`> QUANTUM MINING // wtf am I reading
14:23	nubbins`	he had to apologize to canada on behalf of scout leaders who molested kids a while back
14:23	Apocalyptic	who's that vitalik ?
14:23	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic there was some nut a few months ago, truely a thing to behold. he was going to "emulate" qc on plain old computers.
14:23	nubbins`	y'know, we'll just emulate non-determinism on these deterministic machines
14:23	mircea_popescu	he had pestered a number of respectable academia people, collected all the bits of their responses that weren't "you are a fucking retard kill yourself"
14:23	pankkake	well, he wanted *investments* more than actually succeeding I think
14:23	nubbins`	and i'll just keep saying things that make sense
14:23	mircea_popescu	and was bothering people around btc. some of them didn't immediately go "you are a fucking retard kill yourself"
14:23	simlay	He's the kid from bitocin magazine and founde/or something of ethereum.
14:23	pankkake	he kept PMing me after I told him I was poor
14:24	mircea_popescu	pankkake what was the guy's nick ? i forget
14:24	pankkake	jorash… I still have the window open :o
14:24	mircea_popescu	(this is unrelated to vitalik buterin, who's just an enthusiastic kid that's been exploited for a while by the bitcoin magazine assholes and is now looking for a new rapist)
14:25	Apocalyptic	he enjoys being raped ?
14:25	mircea_popescu	apparently.
14:25	nubbins`	i should start a bitcoin conspiracy rag
14:25	Apocalyptic	funny creature he is
14:25	nubbins`	start accepting articles about how the man is keeping quantum mining hush-hush
14:26	Apocalyptic	heh
14:26	nubbins`	maybe a "paranoiac of the week" on the last page
14:26	mircea_popescu	something like popular bitcoinics
14:26	nubbins`	yeah
14:26	mircea_popescu	where you debunk in detail idiotic notions in the space
14:26	nubbins`	vertical-takeoff mining rigs
14:26	nubbins`	land on a tabletop!
14:26	pankkake	http://pastebin.com/T8fZgeDa
14:27	ozbot	1815 jorash> So I'm with a Toronto company, founded in 2009 called noospheer. - Pastebin.com
14:27	nubbins`	mircea_popescu, this would actually be a fun project
14:27	mircea_popescu	so do it.
14:27	mircea_popescu	not like you'll run out of material too soon.
14:27	mircea_popescu	just make sure you do a thorough ass job on each article.
14:27	mircea_popescu	this is the sort of thing where you can post even monthly, just as long as each post is worshippable.
14:28	jcpham	sounds like perfect material for fuckbitcoin.com
14:28	nubbins`	web is dead, i'd be printing on thinly-sliced trees
14:28	pankkake	nubbins`: there is #bitcoin-conspiracy but nothing ever get said
14:28	jcpham	nubbins what's your email address we'll make you an editor
14:28	jcpham	you can type away
14:28	nubbins`	jon@pinkeyeprints.com, natch
14:28	nubbins`	oh wait, why did i just do that
14:29	mircea_popescu	lol
14:29	nubbins`	fuck
14:29	mircea_popescu	pankkake http://25.media.tumblr.com/0c3026a17f609ca810f316c912d3994b/tumblr_mmtzapEDzW1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg there's a conspiracy
14:29	mircea_popescu	the redcup dorkspiracy.
14:29	nubbins`	the cups are stealing our women
14:30	nubbins`	and our dudebros, i guess
14:30	nubbins`	altho the cups can have those
14:30	mircea_popescu	check out the very comfortable token female / token black person
14:30	mircea_popescu	she's like... "i hope they're too retarded to notice me natch"
14:30	nubbins`	you can tell she's comfortable because of the way she's holding her arms
14:30	mircea_popescu	and her thighs
14:30	jcpham	see email
14:31	nubbins`	the one dudebro looks like he's wearing a suede skirt
14:32	jcpham	nubbins` feel free to be as libelous as you'd like my friend
14:32	nubbins`	"Rapeghost's friendly guide to #Bitcoin-OTC"
14:33	TATontehroad	joradh is jordan ash who did indeed partnerwith vitalik on the quantum mining thing
14:33	nubbins`	i guess that answers the question of what "rg" stands for
14:33	jcpham	mmmhmmm
14:33	TATontehroad	they pitched it at btc conference in Amsterdam
14:33	mircea_popescu	nubbins` yeah, rg = rapegost. i guess meanwhile this became a mystery of times past
14:34	kakobrekla	he sez its RAP e-ghost
14:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2200 @ 0.00090496 = 1.9909 BTC [+] {3}
14:34	jcpham	ditched that first otc identity
14:34	nubbins`	that guy tried to skeet me out of some money
14:34	jcpham	used magick and conjured a new one
14:34	nubbins`	i designed a logo for him, and after delivering final proofs, he said "lel i don't like it, didn't want to hurt your feelings... you can keep the deposit tho"
14:35	TATontehroad	I was there to pass on the yer-retarded msg tho
14:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1235 @ 0.00090499 = 1.1177 BTC [+] {2}
14:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.0000875 = 0.175 BTC [+]
14:37	mircea_popescu	TATontehroad yeah but i doubt they picked that up.
14:37	TATontehroad	he was prettybutthurt the whole day
14:38	TATontehroad	Since I did so with the crowd listening
14:38	pankkake	another gift from my hard drive http://imgur.com/a/Qmz6x#0
14:38	nubbins`	heh
14:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 195 @ 0.00308913 = 0.6024 BTC [+]
14:38	nubbins`	public humiliation does indeed lead to butthurt
14:39	TATontehroad	it was during lunch so at least it was a smaller crowd...
14:39	TATontehroad	they weren't allowed to pitch duringnormal ceremonies
14:40	nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/l-isle-verte-seniors-residence-fire-haunts-survivors-families-1.2509210
14:40	nubbins`	fuuuuu
14:41	nubbins`	"Several local residents told the media Thursday there were no sprinklers in the portion of the building that was destroyed"
14:48	pankkake	http://www.coindesk.com/richard-branson-6-bitcoin-customers-confirmed-virgin-galactic-space-filght/ lol at pics
14:49	nubbins`	someone buy that man some sunblock
14:54	nubbins`	hmm
14:54	nubbins`	SHITCOIN magazine has a nice ring
14:54	nubbins`	could focus on alts
14:54	nubbins`	"My husband spent our inheritance on doge so i cut off his dick" etc
14:54	nubbins`	"Pumping and dumping for fun and profit"
14:55	nubbins`	"Memecoin: a plug-and-play alt that YOU can pre-mine!"
14:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02897998 = 0.1449 BTC [-]
14:57	mircea_popescu	lmao
14:57	mircea_popescu	"“I think there will be a global currency that will take on [J.P. Morgan CEO] Jamie Dimon and the other banks and other currencies."
14:57	mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/426499560576266241
14:57	ozbot	Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Hey Dimon : #bitcoin wishes ...
14:58	mircea_popescu	stuff happens fast these days
15:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.00301 = 0.298 BTC [-] {2}
15:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59250 @ 0.00099567 = 58.9934 BTC [-] {5}
15:15	mircea_popescu	so it'd seem bitcointalk has a xss vuln in the trust rating system, because mpoe-pr just managed to spam trust three times by simply refreshing the page.
15:15	mircea_popescu	if anyone feels like forging some js POST fields and checking it...
15:17	kakobrekla	thats not xss
15:17	kakobrekla	it just doenst refresh the page
15:17	kakobrekla	and reposts same stuff
15:17	kakobrekla	i have done so myself
15:18	mircea_popescu	not necessarily, no. but imo likely
15:19	nubbins`	mp, details?
15:19	kakobrekla	put in <script>alert('bleh');</script> and see what happens
15:20	kakobrekla	but that has nothing to do with not refreshing the page after posting
15:20	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla no, more like, see what you're POST ing, load it in a page with a js autopost when someone loads the page
15:20	mircea_popescu	and see what happens when you visit that page logged into btctalk
15:21	Apocalyptic	yeah that's CSRF
15:21	nubbins`	what the fuck is it with bitcoin and CSRF?
15:21	Apocalyptic	bitcoin-24 had that flaw too btw
15:21	nubbins`	every single play exchange had CSRF vulnerabilities
15:21	kakobrekla	but you can js autopost anything
15:21	Apocalyptic	you could withdraw btc just with a request...
15:21	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic yeah i guess. gotta polish up on my web terminology
15:21	nubbins`	EVERY SINGLE ONE
15:21	kakobrekla	its not specific to rating system
15:22	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla srsly ? i can make you post stuff if you visit my page logged in ?!
15:22	nubbins`	^ yes
15:22	kakobrekla	most probably yes
15:22	Apocalyptic	lol
15:22	mircea_popescu	lolk
15:23	mircea_popescu	nm, false alarm, it's working as intended x.x
15:23	kakobrekla	its broken in a sense its repositng same stuff
15:25	mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/677/bitcoin-network-difficulty-14bn-on-bastille-day/
15:26	ozbot	BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day
15:26	mircea_popescu	the king is dead, long live the king
15:28	jayk	oh dear
15:29	Apocalyptic	14Bn, that's some serious hashrate
15:30	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1567885/
15:31	nubbins`	PoC, someone else can try it out
15:31	nubbins`	you can also hide the buttons and textboxes for stealth
15:35	Apocalyptic	nubbins`, seriously you need jquery to submit a form ?
15:36	nubbins`	nah just too lazy to type out document.selectelementdfgdsfgfger blah blah
15:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 48 @ 0.00455 = 0.2184 BTC [-] {2}
15:41	nubbins`	http://dpaste.com/1567894/ <--triggers "preview" instead of "post", honestly can't be fucked to figure out why
15:41	ozbot	dpaste: #1567894
15:42	mircea_popescu	lawl
15:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.47 BTC [-]
15:44	benkay	why do you need a input telling you what kind of request you're getting?
15:45	benkay	s/you/btctalk
15:45	benkay	nevermind. it's btctalk.
15:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2150 @ 0.00091448 = 1.9661 BTC [+] {7}
15:45	kakobrekla	probably a <i>security</i> measure
15:45	Apocalyptic	nubbins`, so you confirm the CSRF is working for posting new topics ?
15:45	nubbins`	nah, it triggers the Preview button instead of the Post button
15:46	nubbins`	regardless, yes, you can get logged-in users to submit forms just by luring them to a website
15:47	kakobrekla	funny why it goes to preview
15:47	nubbins`	yeah, i can't figure that one out
15:47	nubbins`	probably trivial but it's been a while since i've done this stuff
15:48	mircea_popescu	nubbins` what if you chain a post after ?
15:48	mircea_popescu	so it goes to preview then it posts
15:50	nubbins`	once the preview appears, you've lost the ability to inject
15:50	nubbins`	let me think on this for a bit
15:51	kakobrekla	the problem might be the request uri
15:51	kakobrekla	>Request URL:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=post2;start=0;board=9
15:51	kakobrekla	action post2 ?
15:52	nubbins`	yeah, shrug. i think post2 is specifically for the preview page
15:52	kakobrekla	hm
15:52	Apocalyptic	nubbins`, just start wireshark so you can compare the requests and see what you're missing
15:53	nubbins`	you know, you could potentially reset people's passwords like this
15:53	kakobrekla	what i mean is post != request
15:54	kakobrekla	you are requesting action post 2 while posting the form
15:54	kakobrekla	as far as i can see
15:54	kakobrekla	no?
15:54	kakobrekla	anyway, brb
15:55	nubbins`	nah requested action post
15:56	mircea_popescu	try action=post3
15:57	nubbins`	action=post2 spoils the request
15:58	nubbins`	post3 bumps you to /index.php
16:06	mircea_popescu	action=preview ? :D
16:07	pankkake	"75% out of almost 200 people voted the money should be returned.. Scam job wrote all over it, It's time to give negative rating to MPOE-PR"
16:07	pankkake	the whole thing is depressing
16:08	Apocalyptic	pankkake, but they voted !
16:08	mircea_popescu	whoa, who knew!
16:08	Apocalyptic	you can't oppose people's will like this
16:08	mircea_popescu	the mem dood disappeared, to be replaced by a new muppet
16:08	pankkake	I don't think there is anything worse than anynomous voting
16:09	mircea_popescu	"Graded by focus groups and BCP research"
16:09	mircea_popescu	dude srsly, ResearchCoin
16:09	mircea_popescu	it has value merely by saying "research"
16:09	pankkake	hmm… how could I create a DemocraticCoin…
16:10	mircea_popescu	yeah or LiberalCoin
16:10	mircea_popescu	AnimalRightsCoin
16:10	mircea_popescu	WomenInTechCoin
16:10	mircea_popescu	NoCarbonCoin
16:10	Apocalyptic	GlobalWarmingCoin
16:11	mircea_popescu	GloballyCoolCoin
16:11	pankkake	nah, it should have a specific stupid feature
16:11	nubbins`	i give up, may try to poke at it some more later
16:11	simlay	Has someone written a crypto coin name generator yet?
16:11	pankkake	GlobalWarmingCoin now that would work!
16:11	mircea_popescu	simlay pankkake actually wrote an altcoin generator outright
16:11	nubbins`	FWIW here's the similar vulnerability i disclosed to havelock last summer:
16:11	nubbins`	http://dpaste.com/1567929/
16:11	ozbot	dpaste: #1567929
16:11	mircea_popescu	nubbins` is it fixed ?
16:11	pankkake	mircea_popescu: no I didn't
16:11	mircea_popescu	o that page wasnt yours ?
16:11	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: the havelock one? yeah, they patched it up right away
16:11	pankkake	it's not mine… neither the much profit
16:12	nubbins`	nah that was all hand-crafted by yours truly
16:12	simlay	mircea_popescu: coingen.io
16:12	mircea_popescu	aha i c
16:12	simlay	?
16:12	pankkake	I thought of doing it, but the doing the "windows binaries" thing annoyed me
16:12	mircea_popescu	simlay sounds right. i thought it was frenchie's
16:12	nubbins`	i sometimes wonder how much money got stolen form havelock, btc-e, btctctctct, etc via these CSRF bugs
16:12	mircea_popescu	over nine billion
16:13	nubbins`	heh
16:13	pankkake	also the guy isn't even providing new genesis blocks
16:13	nubbins`	anyway, i tried to use the same trick to reset a user's email address -- that one is not possible
16:13	mircea_popescu	nubbins` this is how you know a site that claims it's trading X btc/day actually does : ridiculous csrf bugs don't drive them out of business.
16:13	mircea_popescu	weblogic 1.0
16:14	nubbins`	web security 0.1
16:14	nubbins`	i was amazed to see shit like this in a production environment
16:20	nubbins`	okay, looks like all the important actions are protected from this by storing a session variable in a hidden text field and submitting that with the request
16:21	nubbins`	TBF this would have been an issue with the forum software itself
16:22	nubbins`	if anyone's curious: http://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/Understanding_SMF_Security
16:22	kakobrekla	yes but i think sesc is obtainable
16:23	nubbins`	not before the form is loaded tho
16:24	kakobrekla	if you edit one of your own posts you get in in the url
16:24	kakobrekla	for example
16:24	kakobrekla	and it doesnt change
16:25	nubbins`	sure, it stays with you until your session expires
16:25	nubbins`	but the question remains: how to get it?
16:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2880 @ 0.00008209 = 0.2364 BTC [-] {4}
16:26	kakobrekla	load the edit post page in iframe, read off the url?
16:26	kakobrekla	takes more craft.
16:26	nubbins`	well you'd need to know the value of sesc to successfully load the iframe
16:27	kakobrekla	really?
16:27	nubbins`	i think so
16:27	Guest33451	mircea_popescu killed biggie smalls
16:27	kakobrekla	hold on
16:27	Guest33451	I have evidence
16:27	nubbins`	try it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=post;msg=4714088;topic=317651.20
16:27	nubbins`	"Session verification failed. Please try logging out and back in again, and then try again."
16:28	nubbins`	hmm
16:29	nubbins`	hold on now
16:29	nubbins`	yeah, no, i don't think it's do-able
16:29	nubbins`	without XSS
16:30	mircea_popescu	wait wut
16:31	KRS1	BIG poppa
16:35	kakobrekla	yeah its not so straight forward
16:36	nubbins`	oh well
16:37	nubbins`	anyway
16:37	nubbins`	this is why you use frameworks and CMSes
16:37	nubbins`	because generally intelligent people have thought this stuff through
16:38	nubbins`	roll your own website, and you're taking on all that responsibility yourself
16:42	lippoper	getnetworkhashps
16:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00099882 = 15.6815 BTC [+]
16:45	pankkake	well, that depends on your tools, too. you can roll your own with libs that help you do the right thing
16:45	pankkake	but things like php help you do exactly the wrong thing
16:46	nubbins`	sure
16:48	nubbins`	ah look, icbit.se runs off ASP.NET
16:48	nubbins`	how quaint
16:48	pankkake	:/
16:48	nubbins`	it's not as bad as people like to think
16:49	nubbins`	i mean, the code it generates is FUCKED
16:49	nubbins`	but it tailors it to the individual's browser/os
16:49	pankkake	given that I do a lot of website parsing, I hate it :p
16:49	nubbins`	and it's reasonably secure
16:50	nubbins`	heh yeah
16:50	nubbins`	<![CDATA[//> tags everywhere
16:52	jurov	such ugliness is more an intrinsic problem of HTML++
16:53	jurov	i am using a tool to generate stuff from outline
16:53	jurov	somewhat like literate programming to organize code to not get crazy
16:54	jurov	and it just isn't possible to insert stuff marking the section reliably into xhtml
16:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19976 @ 0.00100305 = 20.0369 BTC [+] {2}
16:54	jurov	ended up exactly with such ugly CDATA wrappers
16:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.0000875 = 0.175 BTC [+]
16:55	nubbins`	CDATA is a bit of a hot mess
16:56	jurov	just a result of HTML/XML kludge
16:56	nubbins`	nod
16:56	nubbins`	when i made sites with JSF, i don't think they generated any CDATA tags
16:57	nubbins`	but JSF comes with its own set of problems
16:57	nubbins`	there's no perfect solution
16:57	nubbins`	FWIW, visual studio is a great IDE
16:58	nubbins`	tho few are willing to admit it
17:00	jurov	at least javascript *must* be wrapped in cdata
17:00	pankkake	or, don't put javascript in html ;)
17:00	nubbins`	nah
17:00	nubbins`	just wrap it in <!-- -->
17:01	nubbins`	the browser will parse it, and you don't break W3C compliance
17:01	kakobrekla	fuck compilance
17:01	pankkake	yes, that's the way javascript should be included: <!-- <script></script> -->
17:01	nubbins`	"fuck compliance" is the general mantra, yes
17:01	pankkake	kakobrekla: that's the html5 spirit!
17:01	kakobrekla	hehe
17:01	nubbins`	it's also the html 4.01 spirit
17:02	nubbins`	the IE 1-10 spirit
17:02	nubbins`	etc
17:02	pankkake	no, html5 basically admits "devs can't write correct html, so we are going to spec how browsers should react to bad stuff"
17:02	kakobrekla	when i see "this page has been validated" i leave it immediately
17:02	kakobrekla	its most prolly scam.
17:02	nubbins`	heh
17:02	jurov	what? you mean <script><!-- if (a > b){stuff} --></script> no?
17:03	nubbins`	making pages w3c compliant is suck a fucking pain in the hole
17:03	nubbins`	for no measurable benefit
17:03	kakobrekla	zactly.
17:03	nubbins`	*such
17:03	pankkake	eh, one of my websites is XHTML 1.1 compliant
17:03	kakobrekla	which translates to only idiots do it
17:03	pankkake	that's some hardcore stuff
17:04	pankkake	jurov: no, that was the joke :p
17:04	nubbins`	hmm, only 157 compliance errors on mpex.co
17:04	nubbins`	not bad
17:04	pankkake	it probably just needs the html5 doctype
17:05	nubbins`	nod
17:05	pankkake	unless it uses <marquee>
17:05	nubbins`	nah there's no doctype specified
17:05	pankkake	which would actually fit right in here
17:05	nubbins`	just specifying one would probably get rid of all 157 errors
17:05	jurov	i'm using xml templates, somewhere there in between was the reason i can't just comment everything out
17:05	pankkake	that's what I meant
17:06	nubbins`	xslt
17:06	nubbins`	speaking of nightmares...
17:06	benkay	it's not that dev's can't in2 html, it's that once a person starts calling themselves a 'dev' they generally have left html behind because the dom is a stateful nightmare to program for
17:07	benkay	back buttons
17:07	benkay	all the things
17:07	nubbins`	fuck the back button
17:07	pankkake	fuck web applications
17:07	benkay	yeah i had a conversation recently where the conclusion was 'we no ams use back button'
17:07	pankkake	it's for documents
17:07	nubbins`	at my last job, there was at least one asshole on each project who would ask "can we just disable the browser's back button?"
17:08	nubbins`	"well that depends, can i just walk into your house and fuck your wife?"
17:08	benkay	too bad web applications are the only way to develop affordably in a way that most mobile browsers can access surfaced data
17:08	KRS1	i hate web applications i'm a systems guy
17:09	nubbins`	i did web apps for 5 years and then ragequit
17:09	benkay	ya well people gotta derp on buttons and see pretty graphs
17:09	KRS1	i can see why nubbins`
17:09	nubbins`	nod
17:09	nubbins`	i'll never do it again
17:09	pankkake	I am trying to branch out of web applications
17:09	pankkake	not many people want to pay me to write CLI applications though!
17:09	kakobrekla	you are all in a webapp
17:10	kakobrekla	called webchat for freenode
17:10	KRS1	pankkake not much of a choice
17:10	pankkake	ban webchat
17:10	pankkake	worst invention ever
17:10	nubbins`	heh
17:10	nubbins`	pankkake, there's plenty of coding to be done that's not web apps and not CLI
17:10	pankkake	actually, at some point, I started projects that didn't even have a CLI
17:10	pankkake	you had to run the interpreter and import the lib
17:10	nubbins`	web services don't have a cli
17:11	kakobrekla	i think some do
17:11	pankkake	true. that's what I was mostly doing with the webby stuff
17:11	nubbins`	well sure, but they're not really used that way in real life
17:11	nubbins`	just parsed by code
17:12	nubbins`	in general usage, web services don't have an I of any type, CL or otherwise
17:12	kakobrekla	yeah
17:13	kakobrekla	more sites could be lik https://cmd.fm
17:13	nubbins`	fun
17:14	kakobrekla	anyone wants to do bitbet console version :)
17:14	pankkake	NOPE: http://i.imgur.com/x6fW07R.png
17:15	kakobrekla	stop browsing with a potato
17:15	pankkake	kakobrekla: well I do write CLI interfaces to talk to websites
17:15	pankkake	especially the bad ones
17:15	kakobrekla	:D
17:15	kakobrekla	i think it would be better if its inbrowser faked cli
17:15	nubbins`	http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/01/24/1838241/fsfs-richard-stallman-calls-llvm-a-terrible-setback
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17:15	ozbot	FSF's Richard Stallman Calls LLVM a 'Terrible Setback' - Slashdot
17:16	pankkake	no, UNIX style applications are awesome
17:16	pankkake	http://www.beeeeer.org/ now this is a good website design
17:17	KRS1	.bait
17:17	ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m520b5Yt4l1r64vmyo1_500.jpg
17:18	pankkake	TUI?
17:18	pizzaman1337	touch ui?
17:19	pankkake	ew
17:19	jspiros	pankkake: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Text-based_user_interface
17:19	pankkake	oh :)
17:19	nubbins`	at my last job, all the front-line staffed used TUI
17:19	nubbins`	*staff
17:19	nubbins`	big clunky RPG IV programs
17:19	nubbins`	developed in the 80s
17:20	jspiros	I am in the same position as pankkake, I am tired of webdev and wish people would pay me to write CLI/TUI apps
17:20	nubbins`	"hit F12... now C... now 3... Tab twice... F2 that..."
17:20	jspiros	though I would be happy writing GUI apps too, for desktops; I'm just tired of mobile or web as the primary options
17:20	jspiros	nubbins`: delicious
17:20	mircea_popescu	fun fact : most mpex brokers are cli.
17:21	nubbins`	web is the worst fucking medium to write for
17:22	jspiros	I think the web is fine for what it was originally designed for; hacking desktop-style UIs into it is when things started to go wrong
17:22	nubbins`	how many mpex brokers are there, anyway?
17:22	nubbins`	jspiros, +1
17:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.46863852 = 6.0923 BTC [-] {5}
17:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 68 @ 0.45532202 = 30.9619 BTC [-] {14}
17:26	nubbins`	http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/01/24/0425256/court-says-craigslist-sperm-donor-must-pay-child-support
17:26	ozbot	Court Says Craigslist Sperm Donor Must Pay Child Support - Slashdot
17:26	jurov	nubbins`: i'm afraid all others went into hiding or out of business
17:26	nubbins`	TL, DR: a doctor didn't collect the sperm
17:26	nubbins`	but how was the sperm collected, you ask?
17:26	nubbins`	"...while agreeing to donate sperm in a plastic cup to Schreiner and Angela Bauer..."
17:27	nubbins`	i can see the craigslist ad now
17:27	nubbins`	"We are two hot lesbians who are looking for a man to visit our house and cum into a red Solo cup"
17:27	KRS1	.bait
17:27	ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4warmCvet1r17ko6o1_500.jpg
17:28	pankkake	.bait
17:28	ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5uzskzfbV1r9mvn7o1_500.jpg
17:28	pankkake	with all these stories I'm afraid of where my sperm goes
17:29	nubbins`	further food for thought: it's the state, not the women, who instigated this process
17:29	deadweasel	mircea_popescu: linkrot got you down? https://medium.com/the-magazine/ff97b5f36be8
17:29	nubbins`	from what i can gather, the two moms got on welfare and the state wants the cup-cummer to repay $6k worth of welfare cheques
17:30	pankkake	yes, but the mom shouldn't have declared a father
17:31	nubbins`	she probably had to in order to collect welfare
17:31	nubbins`	"there is no father" "where's the letter from your doctor?"
17:31	nubbins`	anyway, gotta run
17:32	mircea_popescu	" A recent Harvard study found that 49 percent of links in Supreme Court opinions are now dead, and 70 percent of links in journals, including the Harvard Law Review, are dead too."
17:32	mircea_popescu	for crying out loud
17:32	mircea_popescu	on the positive side, trilema > the scotus, culturally speaking.
17:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 900 @ 0.0010015 = 0.9014 BTC [-]
17:33	jurov	links to polimedia.us/trilema aren't dead?
17:33	KRS1	as long as the bait keeps coming
17:33	KRS1	yeah what happened to dtng on polimedia.us? There were great pics there
17:33	mircea_popescu	jurov no ? are they ?
17:34	jurov	just asking. they are not
17:34	Apocalyptic	btw polimedia.us now redirects to MPex directly
17:35	mircea_popescu	yeah, i got tired of "sorry, no, not taking clients, no, srsly."
17:37	benkay	this is why bitcoin is going to break the welfare state
17:37	benkay	you cannot come to me and say "this child is yours and we're going to garnish your wages" for you cannot garnish my bitcoin earnings.
17:38	mircea_popescu	a fine example, yes.
17:38	mircea_popescu	"but 75% of the 200 ppl on derptalk voted!!!"
17:38	mircea_popescu	"yeah well... bully for them"
17:38	mircea_popescu	and that's that.
17:38	mircea_popescu	soon enough feeding two idiot women who think they're lesbians as if that's something to be is too expensive,
17:39	mircea_popescu	and so either find a job or get over yourself.
17:46	Apocalyptic	.d
17:46	ozbot	2193847870.17428 | Next Diff in 1957 blocks | Estimated Change: 8.5723% in 12d 9h 54m 37s
17:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9715 @ 0.00099424 = 9.659 BTC [-]
17:48	benkay	http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/2014/01/young-pranksters-skewed-landmark-sexuality-study
17:48	ozbot	Young 'pranksters' skewed landmark sexuality study | Cornell Chronicle
17:59	mircea_popescu	lol
18:00	Diablo-D3	[05:37:46] <benkay> you cannot come to me and say "this child is yours and we're going to garnish your wages" for you cannot garnish my bitcoin earnings.
18:00	Diablo-D3	actually, they can just court order you to sell your assets
18:00	Diablo-D3	and jesus christ man
18:00	Diablo-D3	if you have a kid
18:00	Diablo-D3	pay the fucking court order
18:00	Diablo-D3	dont make him suffer because you're a fucking loser that needs to be shot
18:01	benkay	man
18:01	benkay	Diablo-D3 do you just show up in here, read the last five lines and start typing?
18:02	Diablo-D3	that was like 20 lines ago
18:03	benkay	n, where n is insufficient to derive context?
18:05	mircea_popescu	"there's nowehere nearly as many gay people as the gay political party would have you believe". shocking!
18:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.0009951 = 10.2495 BTC [+]
18:07	Diablo-D3	>gay political party
18:07	Diablo-D3	oh my~
18:08	benkay	implying it's not?
18:08	Diablo-D3	well, the republican party IS pretty big
18:09	benkay	so?
18:09	pankkake	isn't the republican party full of guys getting their dicks sucked by men in public toilets or something?
18:09	Diablo-D3	pankkake: thats the joke
18:10	mircea_popescu	well in this context, by "gay political party" i simply meant the bunch of despicable faggots that are going "we are opressed please give us free shit out of the public tax chest"
18:10	mircea_popescu	like the niggers, exactly, just with a different story.
18:11	KRS1	nah nigga
18:11	Diablo-D3	the republican party is full of gay niggers
18:11	KRS1	gay nigger garbage man
18:12	mircea_popescu	that could be a sitcom
18:12	KRS1	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7faRubyT_k
18:12	ozbot	Faggot Bruce - Cockstar - YouTube
18:12	KRS1	yes sitcom perfect
18:12	mircea_popescu	there's this one guy who's reasonably sane. he works as a garbage truck driver. everyone thinks he's gay and black, for some reason.
18:12	mircea_popescu	and everyone's life is constantly going to shit.
18:13	mircea_popescu	he's sort-of the straight man of the show
18:13	KRS1	my god this rapper has to be a joke
18:13	KRS1	i would uninstall myself, deficate and die if i got my ass kicked and raped by a gangster ass faggot
18:14	pankkake	yeah this is bad
18:14	KRS1	gotta be a joke
18:16	Renuxes_	Hello! Fundraising for my mother to fight cancer. I accept bitcoins. Details: http://www.gofundme.com/5wb6js
18:16	pankkake	"heavy metal style" lol
18:17	mircea_popescu	Renuxes_ are you being funny or lame ?
18:17	pankkake	listen to gorgoroth for non faggy gay metal!
18:17	kakobrekla	Renuxes_ ipo on havelock?
18:19	Namworld	Seriously, someone take a club with protuding nails and insert it up deep in Bitstamp's ass. I don't want to fly over to do it myself.
18:20	mircea_popescu	Namworld make a gofundme page ?
18:21	kakobrekla	you know someone like me could take down bitstamp quite simply
18:21	kakobrekla	i know where their server is and they only do daily local msql dumps
18:21	kakobrekla	so there you have it.
18:21	kakobrekla	take the server or just nuke hdd.
18:22	Namworld	Gofundme page: "Help me insert objects with protuding rusted metal spike in orifices"
18:22	jurov	kakobrekla what if someone really throws molotow to bitstamp dc and they'll imply you?
18:22	Namworld	What?
18:23	Namworld	They have no backups? How would you even know?
18:23	kakobrekla	yeah well i will imply you
18:23	jurov	i don't know where the dc is, you said you did
18:23	kakobrekla	well as it happens i know
18:23	kakobrekla	yeah but i told you
18:23	jurov	well, now you are complicit anyway
18:24	kakobrekla	mhm
18:24	Namworld	Bitstamp wants dox with so much resolution they fit on 2 pages
18:25	Apocalyptic	heh
18:25	pankkake	enhance!
18:25	Namworld	I only have a 3.2 mp camera
18:25	Apocalyptic	they want your miners' receipt too and pic of you with them if you withdraw > 100k and claim you mined it
18:26	Namworld	They might be a bit overboard there
18:26	jurov	Apocalyptic and shoe on the head?
18:26	Apocalyptic	jurov, nah they missed that somehow
18:26	Namworld	Do they want to do a cavity search too to make sure I'm not hiding and going to buy drugs from myself?
18:27	Apocalyptic	Namworld, i've recently received the requirements to open a corporate account with them
18:27	Apocalyptic	they're clearly overdoing the AML/KYC thing
18:30	jurov	and i thought bitcoin-central went overboard, but it was actually better than this
18:30	blg	lmao
18:30	blg	@
18:30	blg	self cavity search
18:31	kakobrekla	yeah, thanks for otc.
18:31	Namworld	It would be easier to convince an NSA agent to just bring a suitcase of money to an unnamed individual in the countryside in a region where terrorists are known to hide than to AML/KYC with Bitstamp?
18:32	blg	arent there any criminal countries left where you can open a bank account no questions asked and run a bitcoin business with it
18:32	jurov	vatican?
18:33	blg	i was thinking eastern europe or middle east or south america
18:33	mircea_popescu	<Apocalyptic> they want your miners' receipt too and pic of you with them if you withdraw > 100k and claim you mined it << because who asked them ?
18:33	Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu, no idea
18:33	jurov	eastern europe? pfffft, we have almost no local banks
18:34	jurov	all are subsidiaries of western-eurpoean banks
18:34	Apocalyptic	i think they freely decided to do so
18:34	Namworld	It's completly serious too. They'll ask for it.
18:34	blg	damn
18:34	jurov	and they set the standards
18:34	blg	i didnt know that jurov
18:34	Namworld	Bitstamp must actually be USG funded.
18:34	pankkake	wow, I seriously thought you were joking
18:34	jurov	lol, so usg gave a tesla to nejc?
18:35	Apocalyptic	^
18:35	blg	USG =? US gov?
18:35	Apocalyptic	or usagi
18:35	jurov	us govt
18:35	blg	bitstamp is a slovenian bank
18:35	blg	but a "uk" company
18:35	jurov	no, they moved to uk
18:36	blg	the bank is still in slovenia
18:36	blg	they are just incorporated in the UK
18:36	jurov	they still send sepa transfers from slovenia? iirc i got the last one from the uk
18:36	blg	i could be completely wrong
18:36	blg	but when i was looking up their banking info on doing incoming wires
18:36	blg	it was a slovenian bank
18:36	Apocalyptic	jurov, well they received their SEPAs in the slovenian one
18:36	Apocalyptic	*receive
18:36	jurov	ok
18:37	jurov	blg, to be fair, you can maybe use estonian banks
18:37	jurov	russians do, but cyprus-style crackdown is imminent
18:39	jurov	http://bigstory.ap.org/article/new-euro-member-latvia-brings-dirty-money-headache ah no it was latvia actually
18:39	ozbot	New euro member Latvia brings dirty money headache
18:42	jurov	afaik best is to create offshore corp and move money through it
18:43	jurov	i haven't needed that yet myself because no regulator figured bitcoins out here, but maybe next year
18:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 95 @ 0.00308898 = 0.2935 BTC [+]
19:03	Neil	"Estimated BTC Transacted 0.00144397 BTC" That's just too funny
19:06	mircea_popescu	yeah lol
19:06	mircea_popescu	only 99.99999% off
19:11	nubbins`	going back a bit here
19:11	nubbins`	Diablo-D3: it's the two moms making the kid suffer because they're fucking losers that need to be shot
19:11	nubbins`	aaaand i'm gone again
19:12	truffles	booo
19:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.04923333 = 0.5908 BTC [-] {2}
19:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16462 @ 0.00099591 = 16.3947 BTC [+]
19:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.04999996 = 0.35 BTC [+]
19:32	benkay	;;later tell nubbins && Diablo-D3 also the state making the kid suffer under retarded fascist rules. if there hadn't been two decades of 'his sperm made this child ergo he is financially responsible for child support' caselaw driven by a certain political groups' takeover of the us judicial and pop morality systems it might be a different story
19:32	gribble	The operation succeeded.
19:33	truffles	just read about that story heh
19:33	benkay	'but what about the poor children whose single mothers fall on hard times' the socialists whine
19:33	benkay	well state allocation of capital is a crime against sensible anything
19:34	benkay	and state allocation of capital to preserve human life is just as criminal
19:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4391 @ 0.00100361 = 4.4069 BTC [+]
19:34	benkay	more people need to die.
19:34	benkay	life is not in and of itself valuable.
19:37	truffles	well i think it helps maintain order
19:37	truffles	the sums distributed might not be reasonable though
19:42	benkay	order would be more well maintained if people had to be orderly in order to eat.
19:52	asciilifeform	http://cryptome.org/2014/01/internet-foxes-hens.htm
19:53	benkay	man it'd be great to pop the davos comms wide open
19:53	benkay	s/great/amusing
19:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00457276 = 0.9146 BTC [-] {17}
19:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00099908 = 9.1915 BTC [-]
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20:15	mircea_popescu	the davos coms are probably comparatively boring
20:17	benkay	who would you like to eavesdrop on, mircea_popescu?
20:18	mircea_popescu	well now that i consider it... turns out nobody.
20:18	benkay	har
20:18	truffles	that facebook dude
20:20	truffles	he doesnt care for privacy anyways
20:25	mircea_popescu	http://25.media.tumblr.com/2712e642516efb0dde094376d5809825/tumblr_mmkddagtyj1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg
20:32	truffles	strip show??
20:32	truffles	everyone else is wearing too much
20:33	mircea_popescu	weird 1970s eastern europe dress for the crowd
20:34	truffles	the women look pissed heh
20:38	benkay	http://dis.4chan.org/read/sjis/1281126214/
20:38	ozbot	4chan BBS - ascii dick
20:39	benkay	plural, ozbot.
20:39	benkay	plural, 4chan.
20:39	truffles	la la la didnt click
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21:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00099908 = 18.7328 BTC [-]
21:07	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=361852.0
21:07	ozbot	Problem with BOURSE forced buyback on Cryptostocks
21:07	mircea_popescu	pretty lulzy shit
21:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20488 @ 0.00099591 = 20.4042 BTC [-]
21:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1512 @ 0.00099583 = 1.5057 BTC [-]
21:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.44989978 = 0.8998 BTC [-]
21:25	mircea_popescu	The leader of the Oneida Indian Nation is going to the United Nations today to complain about the name of the Washington Redskins football team.
21:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.45 = 2.25 BTC [+]
21:35	Duffer1	he mad
21:40	mircea_popescu	"A newly-uncovered and monumental calculating error in official US government climate data shows beyond doubt that climate scientists unjustifiably added on a whopping one degree of phantom warming to the official "raw" temperature record."
21:40	mircea_popescu	derp.
21:41	Apocalyptic	^
21:41	mircea_popescu	you know, fucktarded politicos & bureaucrats posing as scientists.
21:41	the20year2	one celcius or farenheight?
21:41	the20year2	Wasn't the average warming only like 1.4c?
21:41	mircea_popescu	it's not just that their bs is so politically transparent. it's that they can't even sit down do the math properly.
21:41	mircea_popescu	the20year2 there's no difference is there.
21:42	the20year2	and that's what the 'evil conspiracy theorists' have been saying for 4 years, and the media painted them as idiots and crazy
21:42	the20year2	I've had some somewhat smart people calling me names because I've stated more than once that a 100 year observation window isn't enough to build climate models
21:43	mircea_popescu	especially if what you do is you take that window, extrapolate a history based on it, and then pretend like the new dataset is usable to extrapolate a future evolution.
21:43	the20year2	And that's what I've said, and been called a idiot more times than I'd like to think about
21:44	mircea_popescu	http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/01/19/just-hit-the-noaa-motherlode/
21:44	ozbot	Just Hit The NOAA Motherlode | Real Science
21:44	the20year2	yeah , that's what i was reading
21:44	benkay	har nobody i know takes it seriously any more
21:44	benkay	the trick is not to argue with them but to mock them for attempting to model the unmodelable
21:45	the20year2	really? I run into quite a few people who do, and the -50 degrees this next week are proof
21:45	benkay	and then get real serious about numbers of variables and extrapolations and observation windows briefly before saying 'but this is all esoteric shit that bogs one down in details when the more important point is that they cannot possibly say what they say with any justification'
21:45	chetty	people may not take it seriously, but you still can't buy a decent lightbulb
21:45	the20year2	The one weather service says with windchill it will be -79c
21:45	kakobrekla	i knew it was a scam in 2003 or so, is one of the reasons didnt get my degree, not talking bout c or f.
21:46	benkay	the20year2: you also live in ohio, shit fuck idiot capital ville of nowhere america
21:46	the20year2	Your point?
21:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.0010023 = 10.2736 BTC [+] {2}
21:46	benkay	higher density of people lacking faculties
21:46	mircea_popescu	well possibly you run into more retards there.
21:46	the20year2	too few people have planned for this crap, i'm curious what the death toll will be
21:46	mircea_popescu	hopefully it will be record high.
21:46	the20year2	I've been saying for 4 years for people to get emergency heaters, and only one person I know went out and di it
21:47	benkay	"my friend reminds me that people like Danny, who can tell a good story, fervently and in the right plutocratic echelons, can be very useful when starting a business" http://blog.podsnap.com/startup-of-darkness.html
21:47	the20year2	If you look at Ohio's weather, since the mid-late 1800s, we've had a bad winter every 30 years or so, and we've been due for a bad one for like 2years
21:47	benkay	sadly, the technical gentleman disregards all of the other metrics that might be interesting
21:47	benkay	recovery times
21:47	the20year2	We had one in '78 and the drifts were 4 meters high
21:47	benkay	cost per surgeon
21:47	the20year2	they tried to mobilize the national guard but they couldn't even assemble
21:48	mircea_popescu	shoelace tying problem ?
21:48	Apocalyptic	hum primecoin block explorer cannot even afford their own domain it seems
21:48	the20year2	Ouch
21:48	mircea_popescu	so what happens to the average us home, which was build on the cheap out of shoddy materials, is currently foreclosed and thus empty, and the winter hits hard ?
21:48	mircea_popescu	i guess banks take more writedowns right ?
21:48	the20year2	Depends if the bank winterized it
21:49	kakobrekla	Apocalyptic you can bribe blockr.io guys to add it there
21:49	the20year2	There's a $100 process that will make the property weather just fine
21:49	mircea_popescu	yeah, because they on average did like 8% iirc.
21:49	Apocalyptic	kakobrekla, i have no interest to do so
21:49	kakobrekla	just sayin
21:49	the20year2	But, of course, not all properties will be winterized
21:49	the20year2	So, come spring anyone looking at them will get a nasty surprise of broken pipes throughout
21:49	benkay	plough it under.
21:49	benkay	all of it.
21:50	mircea_popescu	mr dimon might have to bring back some of those 20mn to help jpm make it through spring.
21:50	the20year2	Some banks will force winterization - they hire people to watch homes, when someone moves out they get in and winterize it
21:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.49055863 = 8.3395 BTC [+] {5}
21:50	the20year2	BOA is terrible about it, wells fargo is quite good
21:50	benkay	let the robots have the center of the country
21:50	benkay	have/till
21:51	benkay	while the tyrant's agricultural policies hasten the next dust bowl.
21:52	benkay	"let the water table drain!" say the bureaucrats. "let the states fight over what scraps of water remain."
21:52	the20year2	What state? California?
21:52	benkay	everything fed by the colorado river
21:53	benkay	all states sitting atop the depleting aquifers
21:53	benkay	all states fed by unrenewing glaciers
22:01	mircea_popescu	what, it rains in the us doesn't it ?
22:01	mircea_popescu	why'd aquifers deplete
22:08	mircea_popescu	meanwhile, piigs banks look set for an aditional... 300 to 500 billions in writeoffs.
22:09	the20year2	farmland and large cities taking up more water
22:10	mircea_popescu	2014 has a good shot at being the first zero gdp year on record. both the us and the eu look set to write off in financials at leeast as much if not more than what the economy produces.
22:10	mircea_popescu	not zero gdp growth. zero gdp at all. -100% gdp drop.
22:11	the20year2	what's that based on?
22:11	the20year2	(news source?)
22:11	mircea_popescu	draghi's latest statements precipitated it, but otherwise general behaviour of everyone involved.
22:11	mircea_popescu	exactly how bad bank assets are being the most closely guarded secret atm.
22:12	the20year2	yeah
22:12	the20year2	I do freelance work for most of the major lenders, and get to see all their vacant properties or properties that are in default, but they don't want to process
22:12	mircea_popescu	http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/13/us-eurozone-banks-idUSBRE99C03Y20131013
22:12	ozbot	Europe prepares to come clean on hidden bank losses
22:13	the20year2	ah
22:13	the20year2	230b between spain and italy?
22:13	mircea_popescu	things haven't improved since then. au contraire.
22:13	the20year2	dang
22:13	mircea_popescu	they retraced.
22:13	mircea_popescu	that was oct.
22:13	Apocalyptic	<ozbot> Europe prepares to come clean on hidden bank losses // brace yourself
22:14	the20year2	I've been so curious as to what's been going on with the PIGS, here in the US the news disappeared
22:14	the20year2	it went from utter collapse to....nothing
22:15	mircea_popescu	the news on the german gold owed by the us also disappeared.
22:15	mircea_popescu	tit for tat.
22:15	mircea_popescu	the slobbering fat dork and the lanky acneic geek can be best friends
22:16	mircea_popescu	just as soon as they agree not to point out the various unflattering bits. and so what if no girls are interested ?
22:16	the20year2	i've seen more about the german gold than spanish and itailian banks
22:16	mircea_popescu	you read the eu press ? :)
22:16	mircea_popescu	there;s plenty about the piigs in french etc.
22:17	the20year2	Sadly, no
22:20	asciilifeform	broken pipes won't be a problem. the copper's been 'harvested.'
22:25	nubbins`	"This time around, the task of cleaning up banks should not be quite as daunting as five years ago because shareholders, bondholders and wealthy depositors can expect to take some of the losses, as happened in the bailout of Cyprus in March."
22:26	nubbins`	:0
22:27	Apocalyptic	heh
22:28	nubbins`	haircuts for all!
22:28	the20year2	joy
22:28	the20year2	bitcoin!
22:34	truffles	busy nubbins?
22:35	Apocalyptic	truffles, game ?
22:36	truffles	i only have so much juice in me
22:37	truffles	dont drain meeeee
22:37	truffles	in 30 mins sure
22:43	kakobrekla	<the20year2> bitcoin!
22:43	kakobrekla	well, haircuts are common in btc as well
22:43	kakobrekla	just look around
22:44	asciilifeform	the btc equivalent is when someone hangs you upside-down and connects you to a mains socket, to extract your keys.
22:44	kakobrekla	one of them
22:45	Apocalyptic	not if you don't invest them and hold them securely kako
22:46	kakobrekla	yes or hold cash in your own safe box
22:46	kakobrekla	how many people do one or the other
22:55	pankkake	http://www.coindesk.com/nobel-laureate-thinks-bitcoin-amazing-bubble/ as long as it's amazing
22:55	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
22:55	wao-ender	amaze
22:56	wao-ender	bitcoin should have it's kind of nobel prizes.
22:56	wao-ender	bitcoin awards.
22:56	Duffer1	only if #B-A gets to pick the winner
22:56	truffles	like darwin awards?
22:57	mircea_popescu	nubbins meanwhile the lift of s.mpoe earlier this week from 80s to 100s quietly added about 200 million worth of new wealth to the savvier counterparts to those investors buying... all the other scams.
22:58	truffles	Apocalyptic ready?
22:58	Apocalyptic	yes truffles
22:58	truffles	k
22:59	Apocalyptic	pankkake, he has an interesting evocating name
22:59	Apocalyptic	he be shilling
22:59	truffles	i dont see u
23:01	benkay	mmm mpoe
23:08	truffles	walked into that 1
23:08	Apocalyptic	:)
23:08	TATtothemoon	http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/12/09/testing-shillers-nobel-prize-against-the-bitcoin-bubble/
23:08	ozbot	Testing Shiller's Nobel Prize Against The Bitcoin Bubble - Forbes
23:09	TATtothemoon	indirectly calls mpex options useless
23:09	mircea_popescu	dude the forum has reached a singularity by now.
23:09	mircea_popescu	there's a bunch of muppets in mpoe thread screaming about how mpex is "designed to make money from noobs"
23:09	TATtothemoon	I can't even read the forum anymore
23:09	mircea_popescu	and a bunch of muppets in all the noob-scam threads congratulating them on their superprofessional buznizz skillzorz
23:10	TATtothemoon	I start to want to correct people and then I'm like why bother anymore...
23:10	mircea_popescu	i've never before seen people genuinely praise shit and despise steak, out of what seems like their own personal volition and thought process
23:10	TATtothemoon	and my ignore list is now useless too
23:10	mircea_popescu	no but i mean... it's 100% opposite. not like... wrong. completely motherfucking backwards.
23:10	pankkake	bizarro forum?
23:11	jborkl	Sup noobs
23:11	TATtothemoon	its shill zone
23:11	mircea_popescu	i have no idea.
23:11	mircea_popescu	this may be an explanation, basically, buncha shills simply making a deliberate effort to switch terminology around.
23:11	TATtothemoon	posts aren't even real anymore
23:11	mircea_popescu	that'd have to mean the forum is mostly not read by noobs anymore.
23:11	mircea_popescu	just shills shilling to shills.
23:11	TATtothemoon	skimming the occassional noob
23:11	mircea_popescu	sorta like a bitcoin 4chan of shilling.
23:12	TATtothemoon	this is a signal
23:12	TATtothemoon	bitcoin has bottomed out
23:12	mircea_popescu	it is, but what it signals is collapse
23:12	jborkl	I don't know , they are pretty dumb shills if that is the case
23:12	TATtothemoon	need lifeblood
23:12	mircea_popescu	not sure of what exactly, but it is a strong top signal
23:12	mircea_popescu	jborkl i think shills have to be pretty dumb. if they were smart they'd find more productive stuff to do neh ?
23:13	jborkl	True
23:13	jborkl	Excellent point
23:13	TATtothemoon	scam training ground
23:13	jborkl	Moon coin
23:13	jborkl	? Tat
23:14	truffles	gg
23:14	TATtothemoon	?
23:15	jborkl	Oh to the moon is the motto of the altcoin of the week
23:15	TATtothemoon	its like fly choking fly!
23:15	mircea_popescu	i'm half considering hiring an indian outsourcer and putting 2-3-5k indian kids on spamming all the scam threads just for lulz.
23:15	TATtothemoon	damn autocorrext
23:16	mircea_popescu	see the panic on the faces of the various would be "entrepreneurs" once they get flooded to shit.
23:16	mircea_popescu	sadly there's no way i could in good conscience justify the expense to shareholders.
23:16	TATtothemoon	chikun *
23:16	mircea_popescu	sucks being a ceo ;/
23:16	TATtothemoon	IPO the idea
23:16	TATtothemoon	haven't u learnt?
23:17	mircea_popescu	well... there's nothing in the idea, that's what they're doing already, amateurly, or on shoestring budgets.
23:17	mircea_popescu	the only idea is that i have a larger pile of money than your mom has a pile of used condoms.
23:17	mircea_popescu	not much there.
23:18	TATtothemoon	the new forum rules might just kill it
23:18	mircea_popescu	it'd actually be a sad twist on bitcoin if that's what it'd end up doing : burn elec to mine, burn btc to spam a forum... too virtual.
23:18	Mats_cd03	anyone ever use radare2?
23:18	mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 nope
23:18	jborkl	What new rules Tat?
23:19	TATtothemoon	unmitigated sock accounts now
23:19	Duffer1	no more noob yard
23:19	mircea_popescu	jborkl o, it's a riot. no more noobzone, so all the shills can make socks with lower cost
23:19	TATtothemoon	can also pay to unban
23:19	mircea_popescu	and ip bans (pay to unban)
23:19	jborkl	Oh, so they mos needed more money eh
23:20	TATtothemoon	need ha
23:20	jborkl	I noticed all these accounts with 5 posts or 3 posts, now it makes sense
23:21	jborkl	Oh and usagi made a thread, only a 90% loss and it worked out well
23:21	mircea_popescu	yeah pretty much everyone who read that came here to wtf
23:21	truffles	misclick?
23:22	mircea_popescu	you're like the 5th. it is teh wtf of all time
23:22	TATtothemoon	he says he learned a lot
23:22	TATtothemoon	Usagi learned so much he lapped himself into stupidity again
23:22	jborkl	Yeah, I shook my head ablnd did a desk faceplant
23:22	truffles	gg
23:22	Apocalyptic	gg, too bad for the free rook
23:23	truffles	im on a spiral
23:23	jborkl	Learning by losing other peoples money for the 9th time is really rough guys
23:23	TATtothemoon	I like all these Davis tidbits of dudes telling dudes not to buy bitcoin
23:23	TATtothemoon	davos
23:24	jborkl	But I learned so much, this time I have it right.
23:24	TATtothemoon	such care for their brothers
23:24	Apocalyptic	<TATtothemoon> Usagi learned so much he lapped himself into stupidity again // dude is still around ?
23:25	TATtothemoon	resurfaced today
23:25	TATtothemoon	http://www.businessinsider.com/robert-shiller-bitcoin-2014-1
23:25	ozbot	Robert Shiller Bitcoin - Business Insider
23:25	jborkl	The mpex is the biggest scam thread is a wtf, isn't it the only thing in that thread that is not a scam
23:25	TATtothemoon	best surname ever
23:26	Apocalyptic	^
23:26	jborkl	Robert Schiller? That is awesome shill name
23:26	Apocalyptic	before you joined
23:26	Apocalyptic	<Apocalyptic> pankkake, he has an interesting evocating name
23:26	Apocalyptic	<Apocalyptic> he be shilling
23:26	quellhorst	lal
23:27	quellhorst	can anyone give me some shillings?
23:27	TATtothemoon	a bloodline of shills
23:27	quellhorst	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shilling
23:27	ozbot	Shilling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
23:27	TATtothemoon	too bad surnames don't have meaning anymore
23:28	TATtothemoon	would be cool punishment
23:28	TATtothemoon	judge says sorry Usagi younew surname is scamsteroni
23:30	mircea_popescu	jajajaj
23:30	mircea_popescu	i actually lol'd over scamsteroni
23:31	mircea_popescu	could be Bob S. McArony
23:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60092 @ 0.00099705 = 59.9147 BTC [-] {4}
23:34	TATtothemoon	Says Shiller: "It is a bubble, there is no question about it. ... It's just an amazing example of a bubble."
23:34	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
23:35	mircea_popescu	"the fact that if it's not i'm out of a job, permanently, has no impact on my foregoing opinion"
23:35	TATtothemoon	like these things are simply proclaimed
23:35	TATtothemoon	and I like its bitcoin itself that is a bubble
23:36	TATtothemoon	is there a bubblecoin yet?
23:36	mircea_popescu	anyway. the bubble will be happening in the summer, once these schmucks capitulate, and i'll be fighting against five digit madness
23:36	TATtothemoon	agreed
23:36	mircea_popescu	same experts, saying stupid shit, just so happens to be opposite of a few months ago.
23:37	mircea_popescu	infinite analyst hitpoints.
23:37	TATtothemoon	tho I haven't come to terms with predicting five digits
23:37	TATtothemoon	I can rationalize maybe 3400 this year
23:38	TATtothemoon	but rationality, bitcoin...
23:38	mircea_popescu	yes well, bubbles aren't required to make sense.
23:38	mircea_popescu	they're only required to make waves
23:41	TATtothemoon	can someone eli5, how does one become a Core developer for Bitcoin? -reddite
23:42	mircea_popescu	that's easy. they just go to a lot of conferences and say stupidshit.
23:42	TATtothemoon	and reinvent the jetpack
23:48	jborkl	There is a conference here, I actually thought about going until I found out it was $275 and no one I had ever heard of- although they say they are bitcoin experts
23:49	jborkl	I came to my senses and slapped myself a couple timea
23:49	jborkl	Times
23:51	TATtothemoon	I left the state instead :)
23:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04990001 = 0.1497 BTC [-]
23:59	TATtothemoon	"Some HSBC customers have been prevented from withdrawing large amounts of cash because they could not provide evidence of why they wanted it, the BBC has learnt."

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