Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
← 2014-01-05 | 2014-01-07 → ↓
00:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30626 @ 0.00090616 = 27.7521 BTC [+] {2}
00:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21653 @ 0.00090653 = 19.6291 BTC [+]
00:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39597 @ 0.00090684 = 35.9081 BTC [+] {3}
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00:28 mircea_popescu "my raising opinion is the fact that"
00:28 mircea_popescu internet people thinking, should be a website, like the people of walmart one
00:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.000907 = 13.6957 BTC [+] {2}
00:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00090636 = 14.3205 BTC [-]
00:32 nanotube ;;later tell benkay /viewgpg.php you can look up by keyid. you'll get a nice link if you ask gribble for 'gpg info somenickyouwant'. or if you want you can get the entire db.
00:32 gribble The operation succeeded.
00:36 Duffer1 MP i believe the site you're looking for is 4chan
00:38 mircea_popescu i always thought of that as more of a "free association" exercise.
00:38 mircea_popescu sort of dada-resurected.
00:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6159 @ 0.00090711 = 5.5869 BTC [+]
00:48 Duffer1 MP if you ever start to doubt that washington post article you linked yesterday there's always http://www.reddit.com/r/MURICA/
00:48 mircea_popescu !t m ^oix
00:49 assbot [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / 265.25509326 / 265.25509326 (955 shares, 5.08 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
00:49 mircea_popescu 2650 ? srsly ?!
00:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00090711 = 11.7471 BTC [+]
01:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.0009074 = 6.3064 BTC [+] {2}
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01:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4642 @ 0.00090762 = 4.2132 BTC [+]
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01:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 21 @ 0.46150143 = 9.6915 BTC [+] {8}
01:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.00453828 = 0.2315 BTC [-] {2}
02:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 37 @ 0.44486199 = 16.4599 BTC [-] {7}
02:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 44 @ 0.0045383 = 0.1997 BTC [-]
02:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00090636 = 29.0942 BTC [-]
02:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.46198998 = 0.924 BTC [+] {2}
02:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46 BTC [-]
02:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.46000005 = 0.92 BTC [+] {2}
02:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46 BTC [-]
02:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46 BTC [-]
02:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.441002 = 2.205 BTC [-]
02:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.44 = 2.2 BTC [-]
03:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.44 = 1.32 BTC [-]
03:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.44 = 0.88 BTC [-]
03:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 253 @ 0.00424939 = 1.0751 BTC [-] {12}
03:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.43333302 BTC [-]
03:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00090762 = 2.8136 BTC [+]
03:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23450 @ 0.00090762 = 21.2837 BTC [+]
03:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00090873 = 9.996 BTC [+] {2}
03:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.44 = 0.88 BTC [+]
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03:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23081 @ 0.00090636 = 20.9197 BTC [-] {2}
03:38 Duffer1 MP thinking of ways to save the world or ways to shit on more mouthbreathers? :P
03:43 KRS1 eitherway he's doing the world a favor
03:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00295 = 0.1062 BTC [+]
03:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00090901 = 8.6356 BTC [+]
04:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 357 @ 0.001 = 0.357 BTC [+]
04:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60600 @ 0.00090942 = 55.1109 BTC [+] {3}
04:17 jurov http://i.imgur.com/VIhkDAr.gif lmao bitcoinity supposedly shown this on $1000
04:18 Duffer1 they had several weird ones @ $100 intervals on the initial run up to 1200
04:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70868 @ 0.00090997 = 64.4878 BTC [+] {2}
04:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.44 = 0.88 BTC [+]
04:19 jurov i know but this one really got me
04:19 KRS1 oh god...gay
04:24 Duffer1 hehe
04:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4619 @ 0.00090636 = 4.1865 BTC [-]
04:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25318 @ 0.00090481 = 22.908 BTC [-] {2}
04:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.435 = 0.87 BTC [-]
04:30 kakobrekla omg.
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04:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00091008 = 11.1485 BTC [+] {2}
05:00 kakobrekla ;;bc,stats
05:01 gribble Current Blocks: 278906 | Current Difficulty: 1.4184813952626355E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 280223 | Next Difficulty In: 1317 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 2 hours, 51 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
05:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 660 @ 0.00288319 = 1.9029 BTC [-] {4}
05:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10130 @ 0.00090378 = 9.1553 BTC [-]
05:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4670 @ 0.00090177 = 4.2113 BTC [-]
05:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.46 = 4.6 BTC [+]
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05:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00090177 = 21.1916 BTC [-]
05:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00090147 = 20.1028 BTC [-] {2}
06:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 400 @ 0.0006601 = 0.264 BTC [+]
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06:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13268 @ 0.0009013 = 11.9584 BTC [-] {2}
06:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4543 @ 0.00090107 = 4.0936 BTC [-] {2}
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06:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38250 @ 0.00090057 = 34.4468 BTC [-] {2}
07:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34084 @ 0.00089956 = 30.6606 BTC [-] {3}
07:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.00288202 = 0.2219 BTC [-]
07:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33116 @ 0.000898 = 29.7382 BTC [-] {2}
07:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20674 @ 0.00090158 = 18.6393 BTC [+]
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07:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00439759 = 0.1759 BTC [+]
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07:46 Lunapuppy_ giggity alllllllriiiiight
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08:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 40 @ 0.00324 = 0.1296 BTC [+] {2}
08:23 ArsKisS bitcoin going up -> stocks going down
08:24 ArsKisS i kinda see why, but it still makes me laugh
08:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4435 @ 0.00090537 = 4.0153 BTC [+]
08:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00090603 = 14.0435 BTC [+]
08:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5405 @ 0.00090732 = 4.9041 BTC [+]
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08:59 thestrin1puller ;;ticker
08:59 gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1040.0, Best ask: 1047.0, Bid-ask spread: 7.00000, Last trade: 1040.0, 24 hour volume: 27591.01475313, 24 hour low: 928.75005, 24 hour high: 1093.68199, 24 hour vwap: 1013.68537
09:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12072 @ 0.00090602 = 10.9375 BTC [-]
09:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00090602 = 7.6106 BTC [-]
09:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 130 @ 0.001 = 0.13 BTC [+]
09:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.45999884 = 0.92 BTC [-] {2}
09:35 Duffer1 http://pastebin.com/pro now with bitcoin payment option
09:35 ozbot Pastebin.com - GO PRO
09:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.0252 = 0.1512 BTC [+] {2}
09:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.45999979 = 0.92 BTC [+] {2}
09:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00439999 = 0.1232 BTC [-] {4}
09:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.0252 = 0.1764 BTC [+]
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10:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00090602 = 6.4327 BTC [-]
10:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.10100619 = 0.505 BTC [-] {3}
10:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 100 @ 0.02302769 = 2.3028 BTC [-] {8}
10:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.43502001 = 0.87 BTC [-]
10:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1093 @ 0.001 = 1.093 BTC [+]
10:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24995 @ 0.00090706 = 22.672 BTC [+] {2}
10:41 ThickAsThieves what happens when nobody uses zynga's bitcoin option?
10:41 ThickAsThieves sell sell sell!
10:42 Duffer1 TaT why did you decide to put "Thieves" in your name?
10:47 ThickAsThieves because i like the saying
10:47 asciilifeform back to... valves! http://static.cray-cyber.org/Hardware/PaperMUNIAC.pdf
10:48 ThickAsThieves http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/thick+as+thieves
10:48 ozbot thick as thieves - Idioms - by the Free Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
10:50 Duffer1 right but, you know the word "Thieves" is in your business name right?
10:51 Duffer1 your bitcoin business name
10:51 Duffer1 Thieves
10:53 ThickAsThieves what do you suggest
10:53 Duffer1 that i should go get some sleep and stop trying to fuck with you
10:54 Duffer1 it's a good name
10:54 ThickAsThieves lol
10:54 ThickAsThieves it's just a name
10:54 Duffer1 but, imagine people's reactions if you ever did run with the money, everyone would be like.. "well shit"
10:54 ThickAsThieves yes, it's not ideal for a trust-based biz
10:54 ThickAsThieves if i was gonna run, it woulda happened long ago
10:54 Duffer1 oh i know man
10:55 ThickAsThieves i'd prefer to have my identity out there if it were safe
10:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC [+]
10:55 ThickAsThieves but it's not ideal for more than one reason
10:56 Duffer1 i don't i'll ever see the day when i'd feel comfortable having my real name as a user nick
10:57 Duffer1 don't think*
11:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8730 @ 0.0009061 = 7.9103 BTC [-]
11:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23575 @ 0.00090614 = 21.3623 BTC [+] {2}
11:12 the20year .r
11:12 ozbot Gox | Buy: $983.01 Sell: $989.15 Last: $983.01 High: $1,093.68 Low: $965.00
11:12 ozbot Bitstamp | Buy: $902.00
11:12 ozbot Coinbase | Buy: $906.73
11:12 ozbot Weex | API Error
11:22 ThickAsThieves how long til someone makes blockchain-based DRM?
11:26 asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: care to elaborate?
11:30 ThickAsThieves well DRM seeks to identify an owner and allow it to access a property
11:30 ThickAsThieves like mp3s
11:31 ThickAsThieves i was half-joking half wondering honestly
11:31 ThickAsThieves in the case of mp3s, like all drm
11:31 ThickAsThieves it's obv a waste of time
11:31 ThickAsThieves i havent put much thought into it otherwise
11:32 ThickAsThieves i suppose people would just share their keys
11:34 BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Well most DRM is pki based anyway. I don't see what adding a blockchain to it might do other than maybe allow rights transfers. I don't think many people interested in DRM though are people interested in making rights transfers easier though.
11:34 ThickAsThieves it'd allow for a decentralized spotify?
11:35 ThickAsThieves i dunno
11:35 ThickAsThieves like i said, justthinking out loud
11:36 ThickAsThieves just put all data in the blockchain
11:36 ThickAsThieves move the internet to it
11:37 ThickAsThieves well, the www i guess
11:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.43600026 = 0.872 BTC [+] {2}
11:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00420242 = 0.4202 BTC [-] {5}
11:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.0042 = 0.252 BTC [-]
11:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21827 @ 0.0009088 = 19.8364 BTC [+]
11:47 BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Well, blockchains have limits on their usefulness. It works in Bitcoin because everyone values having a distributed consensus ledger and enough people have a vested interest to maintain this ledger. I dunno if anyone other than Spotify is particularly interested in spotifies ledger when they would rather store music than an account of the music everyone has.
11:48 KRS1 you can really send digital content via blockchain? crazy
11:49 BingoBoingo KRS1: Well, namecoin. If it didn't suck so much and miners wrote transactions with lots of data to blocks...
11:49 ThickAsThieves you could also do it with a superficial service
11:49 ThickAsThieves using wallets as keys
11:50 ThickAsThieves like a web browser that was keyed to you or such
11:50 KRS1 nmc prob has a future imo
11:50 KRS1 tight
11:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 166 @ 0.00410003 = 0.6806 BTC [-] {4}
11:52 BingoBoingo The problem with blockchains for trivial uses is that block chains have a large cost in terms of storage required. Bitcoin's blockchain is small because the number of bitcoins transactions is small. A blockchain based however off of the iTunes catalog and all of the iTunes users however would not be small.
11:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 77 @ 0.00400185 = 0.3081 BTC [-] {4}
11:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 332 @ 0.001 = 0.332 BTC [+]
11:58 ThickAsThieves but the cloud!
12:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1753 @ 0.001 = 1.753 BTC [+]
12:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0494 = 0.247 BTC [+]
12:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 40 @ 0.00324 = 0.1296 BTC [+]
12:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91250 @ 0.00091023 = 83.0585 BTC [+] {7}
12:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 194 @ 0.00288358 = 0.5594 BTC [-] {2}
12:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.0494 = 0.6916 BTC [+]
12:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 506 @ 0.004 = 2.024 BTC [-] {7}
12:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 384 @ 0.001 = 0.384 BTC [+] {2}
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12:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.004 = 0.14 BTC [-]
12:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 95 @ 0.004 = 0.38 BTC [-]
12:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2000 @ 0.001 = 2 BTC [+]
12:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.004 = 0.112 BTC [-]
12:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10300 @ 0.00009604 = 0.9892 BTC [+] {3}
12:59 jurov https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=MS another one
13:00 jurov reseller of used electronics....
13:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56450 @ 0.00091008 = 51.374 BTC [-] {2}
13:15 benkay scavenger of lost wallets...
13:16 pankkake I'm not sure the fiat equivalent have enough volume, how is this one going to do?
13:16 benkay well they're definitely going to acquire some bitcoins via IPO. who knows if it does what it says on the tin, even.
13:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00090794 = 16.1159 BTC [-]
13:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00090768 = 2.4961 BTC [-]
13:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21425 @ 0.00090768 = 19.447 BTC [-]
13:22 benkay is anyone using electrum or multibit?
13:23 KRS1 electrum seems awesome
13:23 pankkake I am/was tempted to use Electrum, but it seems that Armory is fixing its slowness
13:33 KRS1 armory is better you think? havent tried it
13:33 pankkake it seems to be the most featureful. requires the whole blockchain and now its own index though
13:34 dexX7 it's simple. want a lightweight client? electrum, otherwise i agree with armory
13:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00090605 = 12.5941 BTC [-] {2}
13:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00091127 = 16.175 BTC [+]
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14:06 jurov ;;seen topace
14:06 gribble topace was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 4 hours, 11 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <topace> the passthru operators hold the direct shares
14:08 topace im here :p
14:15 KRS1 lol
14:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00090522 = 7.3323 BTC [-]
14:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.45 = 0.9 BTC [+]
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14:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00090522 = 14.7098 BTC [-]
15:07 mike_c mintspare = insane.
15:07 mike_c how could they possibly compete with the established players when they have to pay out at least 70% of their profits as dividends?
15:08 pankkake lol they claim they give a fixed percent of profits?
15:08 mike_c "Each MS unit is entitled to no less than 70% of profits in dividend payouts"
15:09 mike_c heh. of course they reserve the right to change that.
15:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00090583 = 11.0511 BTC [+]
15:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.46898774 = 1.407 BTC [+]
15:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC [+]
15:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.04999998 = 0.8 BTC [+] {2}
15:34 Namworld They only sell 20% of mintspare. Thus they can give at a minimum 70% of profits to holders and themselves, and keep up to 30% of profits for expension.
15:35 Namworld They'd just need to be competitive from the start and not need to grow too much...
15:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 396 @ 0.00288201 = 1.1413 BTC [-] {2}
15:37 Namworld Havelock rejected Coinroll's IPO because the structure of the IPO (5% raising funds, 5% investors monetizing their investment) was too complicated and they didn't see how investors would benefit if their funds go to previous owners (nevermind that they they're buying out their shares and right to profits/the business)
15:37 Namworld IPO to havelock = crowdfunding
15:37 Namworld They don't grasp the actual meaning of the term IPO
15:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04999999 = 0.2 BTC [+]
15:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16161 @ 0.00090712 = 14.66 BTC [+] {2}
15:46 mike_c i don't see how they could be competitive from the start. they don't have any economies of scale. do they have some magic formula for cheap customer acquisition? i don't see it.
15:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00090521 = 4.5261 BTC [-] {2}
15:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5389 @ 0.00090484 = 4.8762 BTC [-]
15:47 mike_c they are only serving US "to start". of course, they can't start until they finish their website. yet they are projecting 21 btc profit next month.
15:50 Namworld They refused Coinroll's IPO because previous investors selling their shares and funds not going to develop a business is too complicated and doesn't offer anything to investors. Nevermind that Coinroll is already running and would be issuing bigger dividends than any other fund on Havelock right away.
15:51 Namworld I think it says it all on Havelock.
15:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00090965 = 20.831 BTC [+] {2}
15:58 jurov mike_c mybe they will do business via PMs on otc/reddit/trolltalk
15:59 jurov Namworld: yes, nice summary
15:59 ThickAsThieves so IPO on CoinBr
15:59 mike_c hey jurov, different topic: last month I unintentionally tested out what we were discussing. and you can not lose more on a sold put than your collateral.
15:59 jurov ThickAsThieves: it doesn't depend fully on me
16:00 ThickAsThieves but we all depend on you
16:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02479959 = 0.248 BTC [+]
16:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00090993 = 16.2877 BTC [+] {2}
16:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC [+]
16:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 467 @ 0.00433644 = 2.0251 BTC [+]
16:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04999999 = 0.3 BTC [+]
16:15 ThickAsThieves ;;estimate
16:15 gribble Next difficulty estimate | None based on data since last change | 1744574150.51 based on data for last three days
16:17 BingoBoingo benkay: Answered your comment
16:18 benkay 'll see it in the rss then ;)
16:18 benkay but ty for alert
16:19 BingoBoingo benkay: Well, I dunno how much I trust RSS to propagate, or to have been read by anyone. Thank you for letting me know that I'm not the only person still using the stuff.
16:19 benkay oh it propagates
16:20 ThickAsThieves http://bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/
16:20 ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 2B before Feb 2014
16:21 ThickAsThieves yobtc on No
16:21 ThickAsThieves 70*
16:21 ThickAsThieves dont they learn
16:21 ThickAsThieves ?
16:21 ThickAsThieves (from my mistakes)
16:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35244 @ 0.00090469 = 31.8849 BTC [-] {3}
16:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11656 @ 0.00090337 = 10.5297 BTC [-]
16:25 BingoBoingo benkay: You know you can link you plog when you post the comments
16:28 pankkake this. is. beautiful: "So we view this as not just an idea, we are not just a company taking an existing idea and putting it into the Bitcoin space. We are a company that is revamping the idea into a successful business through design, culture, process, technology, customer support, innovation, growth and proper staffing within the Bitcoin world."
16:30 benkay BingoBoingo: I do. Someday I may.
16:30 benkay pankkake: link or stop being a cocktease
16:31 pankkake in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=401481.0
16:31 pankkake do anchors fail on bitcointalk for anyone else?
16:32 ThickAsThieves that link has no anchor
16:32 BingoBoingo benkay: You might as well. Blogging is like Brussels sprouts. No matter what you expections are something about the venutre is going to taste kind of bitter until the frost sets.
16:33 pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=401481.msg4350881#msg4350881 for example, it gets me to the top of the page anyway
16:33 ozbot [HAVELOCK] Mintspare (MS) Bitcoin Electronic Trade-in Service - Official Thread
16:33 ll_ works here
16:35 benkay http://coinelius.com - nigga can't even spell cryptotrading
16:35 benkay links to 'cryptotocks'
16:35 ThickAsThieves that anchor works for me
16:35 benkay spelling errors man. how do even english.
16:35 ThickAsThieves albeit when it's close to the bottom it is somewhat ineffective
16:38 jurov topace you around?
16:39 pankkake lol coinelius/twentyseventy. just do the inverse of what he does and you'll be fine
16:45 benkay i was reading some other derpage from him recently as well.
16:45 benkay didn't even bother to file it.
16:53 benkay BingoBoingo: you made me log in to wordpress. and fuck with their horrible gravatar situation. timescammer!
16:56 BingoBoingo benkay: You shouldn't have to.
16:56 benkay I know.
16:56 benkay Your defaults are showing.
16:57 pankkake wordpress.com blogs force you to log on if you have a wordpress.com account with that email
16:57 benkay this whole "federate identity across all platforms" routine is a little tired at this point.
16:57 mike_c yeah, but so is having 500 different sets of credentials
16:57 benkay yeah, and if you've ever had contact with their systems they'll snarf your email out of the comment field and blapp your identity link into poor BingoBoingo's blog.
16:58 mike_c openid for the win?
16:58 benkay cardano for the win
16:58 benkay all comments must be gpg signed
16:59 mike_c until your dog hits the kill switch
16:59 benkay well you have two, right?
16:59 jurov what?
16:59 mike_c yeah, with a master signing key you keep in the garden it would work
16:59 benkay one to sign the public key of the one you carry around.
16:59 BingoBoingo I'm pretty sure just entering nym, any email, and comment should be sufficient. I'll investigate whether or not I need to burn a bunch of PHP when I'm not so drunk.
16:59 jurov they will be quantum entagled?
17:00 pankkake I liked openid, but it is effectively dead
17:00 mike_c stackoverflow tried to use it. i was surprised that didn't work.
17:01 benkay log in with cryptotoken. it's the only way.
17:01 pankkake at least I could self-host it… now a lot of websites throw you facebook in the face
17:01 pankkake because, and that is truly a problem, people are too lazy to create a new account, and manage passwords
17:02 benkay time heals all this idiocy. red queen patterns etc.
17:04 pankkake the only thing I dislike with static blogs is the comment handling. usually, it's… disqus
17:04 pankkake but I've seen implementations of one of my dreams: a comment-by-email
17:05 benkay yeah. i'm thinking about how to do comments.
17:05 pankkake plus, email already has antispams. why reinvent the wheel
17:05 mike_c that is a good idea. identity friendly, if not user friendly.
17:05 benkay not buying into one of these federated identity services - that'd run counter to the whole point.
17:06 benkay sheeeit, mike_c, if someone can't handle comments by email i don't want 'em commenting.
17:06 mike_c it's not that they can't handle, just raises the bar for doing so. you'll get fewer comments.
17:06 pankkake that was my main reason for chosing wordpress; so many plugins, comments with working antispam
17:07 mike_c not sure how trilema's works, but it seems a reasonable compromise.
17:07 pankkake well some clients/webmails don't provide a good way to have multiple identities
17:08 benkay ;;google trilema spam
17:08 gribble The Trilemma Of Child Care - SlideShare: <http://www.slideshare.net/mhalterman/the-trilemma-of-child-care-2451277>; The Trilemma Of Child Care - SlideShare: <http://www.slideshare.net/mhalterman/the-trilemma-of-child-care>; Hilsenrath Highlights The Fed's Taper Trilemma | Zero Hedge: <http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-17/hilsenrath-highlights-feds-taper-dilemma>
17:08 pankkake perhaps add a special tag on top of the mail to change it; and also provide a URL
17:08 pankkake lol zerohedge
17:09 mike_c http://trilema.com/2013/effectual-spam-filtering-for-wordpress/
17:09 ozbot Effectual spam filtering for WordPress pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
17:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2000 @ 0.001 = 2 BTC [+]
17:10 benkay that's the one, mike_c.
17:12 benkay having written on everything from friendster to livejournal to the well, blogger and yes even wordpress before attempting to roll my own this time through i decided to keep all of my data local and generate blog files from my blog.org file
17:12 pankkake https://wordpress.org/plugins/anti-spam/ catches most of my spam but it might also prevent lynx users from commenting :(
17:12 ozbot WordPress › Anti-spam « WordPress Plugins
17:13 benkay which thanks to the insane amounts of time that's been put into org-mode and emacs in general is a pretty robust project
17:13 benkay http://renard.github.io/o-blog/index.html
17:13 ozbot Quick start Guide
17:13 benkay you'll see i have some styling to do. i hate styling.
17:13 mike_c i'm more interested in the identity side though. what's the right compromise for allowing attribution to commenters without making them create an account?
17:13 benkay pgp signed comments.
17:13 mike_c heh
17:13 mike_c hardly a compromise
17:14 benkay no way man
17:14 pankkake use bootstrap
17:14 benkay errybody's going to have to get at least conversant with privacy tools.
17:14 mike_c yes, and highcharts. obviously.
17:14 pankkake I used to dislike bootstrap because so many websites use it. but so what? interfaces are meant to be standardized
17:14 benkay i don't want to 'use' anything - i want to deploy some capital and have some less generated by a human for me.
17:15 pankkake and if you hate css, it's perfect
17:15 mike_c pankkake: agreed. not hard to tweak anyway.
17:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20190 @ 0.00090896 = 18.3519 BTC [+] {2}
17:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17010 @ 0.00091136 = 15.5022 BTC [+] {2}
17:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00091142 = 15.5397 BTC [+] {2}
17:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02479959 = 0.124 BTC [+]
17:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02479959 = 0.248 BTC [+]
17:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21610 @ 0.00090971 = 19.6588 BTC [-]
17:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13040 @ 0.00091052 = 11.8732 BTC [+]
18:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6160 @ 0.00090595 = 5.5807 BTC [-]
18:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 145 @ 0.00439512 = 0.6373 BTC [+] {4}
18:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00439709 = 0.1891 BTC [+] {2}
18:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21890 @ 0.00091188 = 19.9611 BTC [+] {2}
18:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 317 @ 0.00439995 = 1.3948 BTC [+] {4}
18:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13860 @ 0.00091241 = 12.646 BTC [+]
18:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 159 @ 0.00439998 = 0.6996 BTC [+] {3}
18:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 74 @ 0.00288201 = 0.2133 BTC [-]
18:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.467999 BTC [-]
18:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15040 @ 0.00091241 = 13.7226 BTC [+]
18:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 10000 @ 0.001 = 10 BTC [+]
18:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.4680909 = 5.149 BTC [+] {2}
18:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.46899999 = 2.814 BTC [+] {2}
18:36 mircea_popescu ;;later tell mike_c nice catch on the bitbet statement there.
18:36 gribble The operation succeeded.
18:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 11914 @ 0.00009601 = 1.1439 BTC [+] {2}
18:50 kakobrekla you are late log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2014#436766
18:50 kakobrekla hrm, again without the http://, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2014#436766
18:51 mircea_popescu what mess, it's like 70 cents.
18:52 mircea_popescu big whoop
18:52 kakobrekla and the one from last year
18:52 kakobrekla and generally, its a mess.
18:52 kakobrekla we fucked up too many times :p
18:53 mircea_popescu gracious donations to shareholders : 0.061 BTC ?
18:53 kakobrekla imma gonna make it esier
18:53 mircea_popescu obv shareholders didn't give a shit about the 6 bitcents, or else they'd have said something.
18:53 mircea_popescu people gotta get used to reading reports, calculator in hand
18:53 mircea_popescu this isn't lazyland, this is bitcoin, a republic.
18:55 kakobrekla well obv is all my fault cause i sign the thing on the end
18:55 kakobrekla it looks bad
18:55 kakobrekla kako cant do maffs
18:55 mircea_popescu it's partly your fault, and partly my fault, and partly the fault of everyone who may wish to bitch about it
18:56 mircea_popescu we're all in this together.
18:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.001 = 0.25 BTC [+]
18:57 mircea_popescu with any luck at all, i'll forget to roll the .7 bitcents into next month's report and then it'll look really bad lol
18:57 pankkake what are you using for accounting? text files?
18:57 kakobrekla actually its not so much your fault cause you dont sign it, which makes me think you should be doing that from now on :D
18:58 kakobrekla eyeballing apparently
18:58 mircea_popescu pankkake nubian slaves.
18:58 pankkake I need slaves to sort my files
18:58 pankkake and my porn
18:59 kakobrekla nsa does that
18:59 mircea_popescu so you need nubian and pubian slaves.
18:59 pankkake though I shouldn't need porn if I have slaves. hmm
18:59 mircea_popescu "Slavery in Sudan began in ancient times, and has continued to the present day." sez wikipedia
18:59 pankkake my love for metadata is probably more insane than anyone in the nsa
19:04 pankkake so no serious answer! are you afraid to admit you're using excel?
19:04 mircea_popescu me ? i don't have excel.
19:04 pankkake general inquiry
19:04 BingoBoingo pankkake: Paper spreadsheets
19:05 BingoBoingo For maximum airgap
19:06 mircea_popescu http://newspaper.li/static/eeeb21dede2e0a0125169d9398022867.jpg
19:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0028828 = 0.5766 BTC [+] {2}
19:22 jurov i'm doing reports in perl
19:22 KRS1 thats what its fo! i love perl
19:28 lippoper yeah
19:28 lippoper perl lol
19:28 pankkake why run? I'm thinking I'd do pretty much the same
19:31 BingoBoingo I'm kind of curious if any line betting operations are going to fold up tomorrow morning.
19:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 15 @ 0.0242 = 0.363 BTC [-]
19:32 jurov BingoBoingo: why?
19:33 lippoper any profitable mining shares?
19:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 17 @ 0.02419623 = 0.4113 BTC [-]
19:33 mircea_popescu mining and profitable don't mix so well
19:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [7C] 27 @ 0.00644996 = 0.1741 BTC [+] {2}
19:34 BingoBoingo jurov: Because so many people are betting on Auburn. Auburn is given odds that make it a great value pick. Since most BTC line betting operations pull lines off of USA Today instead of letting odds play on their own and collecting their vig, if Auburn wins I imagine at least a few won't be able to pay winnings.
19:35 BingoBoingo I imagine such a black Tuesday outcome would be great publicity for BitBet though.
19:35 mircea_popescu interesting point.
19:35 mircea_popescu i would imagine all of them strictly consist of one derp, his .5 btc budget and his dreams and aspirations
19:35 mircea_popescu in which case some nice bandwagon effect would probably do what you say sooner or later
19:36 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I've been putting money on Auburn at as many books as I can that haven't been rather conclusively labeled scam yet. Cheaper exercise than the one you did with Patrick Harnett.
19:36 mircea_popescu yeah well... it's easily forgotten that at the time the replacement cost of 500btc was like five grand
19:37 BingoBoingo Well... Yeah. As the years go on though the relative impressiveness of the story will grow simply because n00bs can't remember single dollar digit btc.
19:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.12699999 BTC [+]
19:38 mircea_popescu perversely, a good investment in more ways than one
19:39 mircea_popescu noobs also don't remember the entire "btc rating agency" bullshit coming out of his inflamed brain, and consequently don't remember reason #5498045986 why bitcoin didn't go to shit before they had a chance to hear of it.
19:39 BingoBoingo Well, yeah. Breaking one of the "big guys" and firmly placing yourself as the bigger and more solvent guy
19:39 jurov http://www.casinobitco.in/bet-ncaa-football for example
19:39 jurov it's there but i never did line betting, what does this mean?
19:40 jurov there's 4.2BTC bet on?
19:40 mircea_popescu jurov line betting vs mutual betting is like bucket shop vs stock exchange. in the line model all trades are against the house.
19:40 jurov i know how it works
19:40 mircea_popescu it's as if anyone buying shares bought from the nyse itself, and anyone selling sold to nyse itself
19:40 mircea_popescu and nyse came up with an arbitrary price each morning
19:40 jurov but am interested how to read the stats
19:40 mircea_popescu stock generation style
19:40 mircea_popescu a
19:40 BingoBoingo jurov: It means an Auburn win returns roughly quadruple your initial bet. Looks like similar odds I've been buying, but I've heard that site was scam already.
19:40 mircea_popescu basically it's what you make in each case
19:41 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i love it how they never advertise their house limit, too
19:42 mike_c 11 point spread and 4.2 money line? that does sound attractive.
19:42 mircea_popescu i imagine if someone sends 10k btc on their stated odds all sorts of fun ensues.
19:42 jurov they certainly have some limit
19:42 mircea_popescu link to it :)
19:42 BingoBoingo +320 on Auburn means you would win 320 dollars on a 100 dollar ticket. -380 on Florida State means you would win 100/380 on your 100 dollar ticket
19:43 mircea_popescu such ignorant notation too. negative and fractional, same thing. blergh
19:43 BingoBoingo mike_c: There are much better probably scam sports books out there
19:44 mike_c hah. the vegas line is +295.
19:44 BingoBoingo mike_c: I wouldn't take the spread though. On value bets liek this ML tends to be better in the long run
19:45 mike_c no bitbet
19:45 mike_c too many nerds on bitbet for football
19:45 BingoBoingo mike_c: I did the bitbet too on both sides, but they are closed
19:45 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/672/btc-will-hit-1000-without-dropping-to-100/#c2235
19:45 ozbot BitBet - BTC will hit $1000 without dropping to $100
19:45 BingoBoingo mike_c: I wrote this one http://bitbet.us/bet/650/florida-state-to-win-bcs-national-championship-low/
19:45 mircea_popescu i love the bbet commenters every time
19:46 mike_c so looks like it got one bet other than you
19:46 mike_c i agree with mp, once football bets are popular on bitbet we will know the gold rush is over.
19:47 mircea_popescu certainly not this silliness where bitbet lays a quarter million bucks on any diff bet easy,
19:48 mircea_popescu and you struggle to get 1k together on football prime time events
19:48 BingoBoingo mike_c: I don't know if they will ever be too popular. The problem of tracking a whole season seems better suited to bucket shops and line betting operations. Marquee events and championships that can get traffic though should do better on the BitBet model though.
19:49 jurov i dunno, i can easily imagine football junkies prefer betting where they know the win in advance
19:49 BingoBoingo Sports betting I've come to see is kind of a niche market.
19:49 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo ideally it evolves as an exchange (ie, a myriad actually honest operators do line betting and promotion, and then meet on bitbet and hedge in a liquid market)
19:49 jurov even if mutual may be more profitable, effective, intelligent etc.
19:49 BingoBoingo Maybe even more navel gazing than bitcoin.
19:49 mike_c yeah, all those prop bets with terrible odds at the bookie would be much better on bitbet like "team to win the championship" or super bowl props.
19:51 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Sure, but given how often the gambling type (the kind who are so quick to forgive SealswithClubs for their hack) go for the familiar over the good it might be a decade. At least Bitcoin has plenty of time to fix this.
19:51 mike_c and bitbet is welcome for the audit :) my fee is 0.061 btc.
19:51 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo no but the idea is, the ops themselves have more of a clue. obviously as it is now, every failed seo expert/14 yo running his own site this won't be the case
19:51 mircea_popescu but these will lose their shirt within months, not decades.
19:52 mircea_popescu to survive people will have to use the tools.
19:52 mircea_popescu mike_c >D
19:52 BingoBoingo They might stretch it out a while. People can be irrational longer than we expect as Usagi being able to list a silver instrument of some indeterminate form on a scam exchange illustrates.
19:53 mircea_popescu so the model for sports is, there are say 10-12 respectable bookie type sites, which do all the forum spamming and general dicking around with the punters,
19:53 mircea_popescu then they actually trade their takes on bitbet. say one got 50 btc on yes 12 on no, the other 5 on yes 64 on no etc
19:53 mircea_popescu they can't sanely hold on to this, so they all bet on the yes/no bitbet according to their book
19:54 BingoBoingo Sure, like the cloning intrade but actually backing it on BitBet which is real
19:54 mike_c that would work better with bitbet v2 without a linear weight
19:54 mircea_popescu best of both worlds.
19:54 mircea_popescu allows people to be entrepreneurs, allows risk to be correctly handled, allows punters to not have to think and be fleeced for it.
19:54 mircea_popescu everyone's happy, and the market grows
19:54 mircea_popescu at least that's the model
19:54 BingoBoingo mike_c: BitBet now works fine. Just when you write a sports bet make sure to not end the weight at 1
19:55 mircea_popescu mike_c they're all in the same timeline so they really don't care about the weight
19:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10946 @ 0.00091265 = 9.9899 BTC [+]
19:55 mircea_popescu 5 minute differences or w/e may be the round-trip time for "x got injured" among the bookies won't show up in the bitbet weight anyway
19:56 BingoBoingo mike_c: Sports bets do benefit from some sort of attached weight though, especially in hand egg because of injuries, arrests, and fat athletes having heart attacks
19:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4643 BTC [-]
19:57 mike_c I agree weight of some type is important. but we beat that horse dead a couple weeks ago.
19:57 mircea_popescu some horses need to be beaten many times
19:58 mike_c next time i beat the horse i will have a simulator in hand to show how the alternate model works.
19:58 mircea_popescu the previous horse hath not died in vain
20:00 BingoBoingo Horses are cheap
20:00 mircea_popescu whorses too
20:01 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/517/bfl-will-deliver-28nm-before-jan-6-2014/
20:01 ozbot BitBet - BFL will deliver 28nm before Jan 6 2014
20:01 mircea_popescu who the fuck laid out on yes
20:02 BingoBoingo I dunno. Around here people will pay you to take a horse. We really need to get to eating them already.
20:04 BingoBoingo Inaba probably laid out for yes, but obviously doesn't have the capital he had last year...
20:05 mircea_popescu i imagine throwing away btc is a lot more painful than it used to be too
20:05 mircea_popescu once it sprinted from 30 to 1k people see 10k with different eyes
20:05 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/567/simona-halep-to-win-roland-garros/ << this can't be 6:1 srsly now
20:05 ozbot BitBet - Simona Halep to win Roland Garros
20:06 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you're better at this than me, can you get me what the bookies say on this prop ?
20:12 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: A lot of fiat books are showing longer odds that Halep wins. This is the sort of bet though where outcomes other than yes/no might make BitBet more interesting (meaning for example a single French open bet with the option to bet on each competitor, ie you run bets like the pony track does for some events)
20:12 pankkake not enough nerds on bitbet for starcraft
20:12 mircea_popescu longer like how long ?
20:12 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: 15-17.5 to one
20:13 mircea_popescu aha
20:13 BingoBoingo Bitcoin tennis fans aren't rich enough to balance your love for her tits though
20:13 mircea_popescu how is a single bet for 6 people better than 6 yes/no bets ? cause larger pool ?
20:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00091285 = 7.0746 BTC [+]
20:13 mircea_popescu ha
20:14 pankkake I thought tennis was the sport for rich people. like golf
20:14 mircea_popescu pankkake old money = stupid = btc poor
20:14 pankkake old money is btc zero
20:14 pankkake btc poor is teenagers with gpus
20:14 mircea_popescu that's a point
20:15 BingoBoingo Well, consider a futures bet for X wins championsip of such and such league. Where the teams competing are fixed well in advanced of the seasons start. 30 baseball teams for example, you can bet on anyof them to win the world series. Maybe the pot isn't bigger, but having all of the options in one pool makes pricing risk more straight forward.
20:15 ArsKisS https://cryptostocks.com/securities/70
20:16 ArsKisS wutwut
20:16 BingoBoingo Close that bet when the season starts and as the season progresses let bets open for the outcomes of individual teams.
20:16 mircea_popescu how does it make pricing more straightforward ? i thought it makes it a nightmare
20:16 ArsKisS they pay some good looking dividends and then skyrocket
20:17 kakobrekla again vritual mining?
20:17 ArsKisS yup
20:17 kakobrekla virtual mining of virtual currency
20:17 kakobrekla virtually scam.
20:17 KRS1 lol
20:17 ArsKisS virtuous
20:17 pankkake consortium!
20:17 pankkake "A consortium is an association of two or more individuals" ok I guess that works
20:17 BingoBoingo Well, depending on how you approach the problem of pricing in that situation it could be more of a nightmare of it could be a glorious consilodated market.
20:18 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo let's try and model. three teams, a, b and c. a has 20 btc on it to win, b 15, c 27.
20:18 mircea_popescu what's the odds a wins ?
20:18 mircea_popescu cause if the bet is "a wins" y/n, then you deffo know what the odds are.
20:18 ArsKisS hmm
20:18 ArsKisS is there a way you can see whole cryptostocks history somehow
20:18 ArsKisS this is silly that the history is just couple of pages long
20:19 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Roughly 1/3
20:19 mircea_popescu ArsKisS perhaps you are missing their wisdom there.
20:19 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo 20 / 62 ?
20:19 ArsKisS mircea_popescu, err?
20:19 BingoBoingo Right
20:20 mircea_popescu and isn't y/n more straightforward ? not that a lot of adding shit is impossible to do.
20:20 mircea_popescu ArsKisS they know their history won't ever look good, so why publish it too much.
20:21 ArsKisS mircea_popescu, but it's about MY history
20:21 BingoBoingo Break that into three yes/no bets though a b and c can all have bets such that all teams are favored to win. That creates an opportunity for great arbitrage, but... This is Bitcoin and people still buy "mining"
20:21 ArsKisS mircea_popescu, talking about Account -> Legend
20:21 ArsKisS only shows last 50 transactions
20:22 ArsKisS useless piece of shit :<
20:22 mircea_popescu why does this site look just like btctc
20:22 BingoBoingo ArsKisS: Well cryptostocks is a piece of shit yes.
20:22 mircea_popescu did they actually recycle that ?
20:22 kakobrekla btc tc tc tc tc disco mode tc tc tc
20:22 BingoBoingo Vircurex was hacked twice and noone bother to take the the cryptostocks wallet from that same sever out of pity
20:22 ArsKisS BingoBoingo, yea, kinda. but some of the stocks are good :/
20:23 BingoBoingo ArsKisS: What is good anyway
20:23 kakobrekla thats everlasting question, what is good, what is evil
20:24 BingoBoingo Bitbet is good, math is evil, Abaci for everyone
20:24 ArsKisS how many markets there is btw?
20:24 ArsKisS cryptostocks, havelock and?
20:24 kakobrekla buttfunder
20:24 kakobrekla glbse
20:24 kakobrekla btc disco
20:24 mircea_popescu and colored coins
20:25 BingoBoingo ArsKisS: Everything is just one big market. Within the one market though there are a lot of alleys where muggins happen. If you aren't careful you might even meet Rapin' Jameis
20:25 assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1539965/plain/)
20:25 kakobrekla !b 1
20:25 ArsKisS kakobrekla, last one sounds extra shady, two first I've heard something before.
20:25 ArsKisS BingoBoingo :D
20:25 kakobrekla !exchanges ArsKisS
20:26 kakobrekla see what assbot pmed you
20:26 ArsKisS cool
20:26 ArsKisS thx
20:26 ArsKisS Glbse closed for good?
20:26 ArsKisS 2012 on bitcointalk
20:27 kakobrekla oh wait its 2013 already
20:27 ArsKisS kakobrekla, 2014
20:27 BingoBoingo ArsKisS: Thermos killed GLBSE
20:27 ArsKisS close call
20:27 pankkake !exchanges
20:27 BingoBoingo .bait
20:27 ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/60f38b26f965ab5dd9b145f5e1c49add/tumblr_mvvvesgLGK1sjknteo1_1280.jpg
20:27 pankkake it's not up to date
20:27 kakobrekla !exchanges
20:27 pankkake bitcoin-assets.com still has btctttc too
20:28 kakobrekla site is still up
20:28 kakobrekla let it be a reminder
20:28 kakobrekla !
20:28 pankkake at least the shares aren't losing value!
20:28 kakobrekla lmao
20:28 BingoBoingo Ei Ei Scam
20:29 mircea_popescu why does that pic look like the broads are standing
20:29 kakobrekla ArsKisS you can also lose money on pico stocks
20:29 kakobrekla or just donate it to poor nigerians
20:29 kakobrekla somalians work as well.
20:29 ArsKisS kakobrekla, nah, i rather keep them
20:30 BingoBoingo http://moviecode.tumblr.com/
20:30 ozbot Source Code in TV and Films
20:30 kakobrekla ArsKisS dont be so selfish
20:30 BingoBoingo ArsKisS: You have like two minutes left to bet it on Handegg tonight
20:30 knotwork mircea_popescu, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=402131.msg4356292#msg4356292
20:31 ArsKisS kakobrekla, ofc
20:32 mircea_popescu knotwork myeah.
20:32 mircea_popescu also, there's euro futures now too
20:33 knotwork Euro futures on MPOE ?
20:33 knotwork Does it still cost 30 BTC for an emporium seat?
20:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00091285 = 9.9501 BTC [+]
20:35 mircea_popescu yea.
20:35 mircea_popescu !t m x.eur
20:35 assbot [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00199998 / 0.00246786 / 0.00333333 (651 shares, 1.61 BTC)
20:35 mircea_popescu not much volume as of yet
20:35 mircea_popescu but it;'s a physically settled future, you can obtain euros in bitcoin central.
20:37 pankkake would be better if davout_ delivered the bills on your doorstep, in a metal briefcase
20:37 knotwork hee hee
20:38 mircea_popescu yeah, because people can afford to pay a a coupla grand for airplane tickets + hotels + etc
20:39 BingoBoingo Wait, I though Jurov was carrying the breifcase
20:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00091265 = 9.6285 BTC [-]
20:52 mircea_popescu so, we're doing some hardware upgrades on mpex infrastructure starting Jan 8th at 3am GMT
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20:52 pankkake that's a smart scam/spam; target potential thieves: http://pastebin.com/mUWM0Tjf
20:52 mircea_popescu there may be some short lived service interruptions.
20:52 pankkake blinded by greed, they'll just open the thing without question
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21:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 86 @ 0.00449709 = 0.3867 BTC [+] {2}
21:14 KRS1 greed is a mo-fo
21:15 KRS1 funny, some are helpless to it i noticed..darwin has a solution for them too
21:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00091265 = 8.3964 BTC [-]
21:20 KRS1 got an interesting email in ref. to mastercoin
21:20 KRS1 http://pastebin.com/XW6mW1tc
21:20 ozbot Arbitrage with mastercoin - Pastebin.com
21:21 KRS1 im interested in moving toward an algorithmic trading style..not sure where to start and i dont want to write my own bot from scratch
21:24 BingoBoingo KRS1: I'm more convinced that as Bitcoin matures people will progress through more and more advanced holdign styles
21:25 mike_c taking out that one hard drive that was holding the whole thing up? :D
21:25 KRS1 BingoBoingo: yeah the markets have to calm down a bit
21:25 KRS1 everyones complaining of manipulation
21:27 BingoBoingo KRS1: I'm not talking about that. The BTC/Fiat interface is boring and overdone. I'm thinking applications of BTC tht take advantage of its function as a store of value (ie the most popular use of BTC)
21:29 BingoBoingo Oh, Auburn is leading the handegg BCS thing 14-3 right nao
21:29 benkay Just what /can/ one do with BTC held cold, BingoBoingo? Soundslike one o yer classic FR scams.
21:29 BingoBoingo I think 3 sounds like a good over under for how many line betting ventures might fold tomorrw
21:32 BingoBoingo benkay: Who said holding has to be cold. I'm thinking Fidelity bonds and such. One of the few people who dealt with Inputs.io and didn't get fucked was Dooglus who made TradeFortress keep a bond with him in exchange for him accepting deposits though TF's platform. Such things seem a natural growth from GPG contracts and other crypto goodness.
21:34 benkay TF put btc on reserve, or promised to pay?
21:34 BingoBoingo Million dollar BTC doesn't happen because Bitcoin is a better gum buying tool than a quarter at the gumball machine. It happens through a lot of BTC being tied up in contracts.
21:34 BingoBoingo benkay: As I understand he made a deposit to Dooglus in advance
21:34 BingoBoingo Well before his collapse.
21:35 pankkake that was a very smart move :)
21:35 benkay those coins have to be 'cold' until that contracts terms are invoked, correct?
21:35 BingoBoingo Because such a deposit existed Dooglus was able to extract exactly what he was owed as opposed to submitting himself to the arbitrary fractional repayment/settlement mess TF devised.
21:36 BingoBoingo benkay: Of course coins in such an arrangement have to stay cold.
21:36 BingoBoingo The value of the coins though is as a store.
21:36 benkay the Dooglus property in question being just-dice?
21:36 BingoBoingo benkay: Yup.
21:37 benkay BingoBoingo: why did j-d have a dependency on inputs.io in the first place?
21:38 BingoBoingo benkay: They didn't have any dependency. They just wanted more deposit options and TF was willing to deposit a fidelity bond to cover deposits through inputs.io
21:39 benkay ah so if i can recap
21:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2090 @ 0.001 = 2.09 BTC [+]
21:40 benkay j-d made themselves an inputs.io account to which IIO victims could send btc without blockchain confirmations or such, and the fidelity bond was to cover however that account
21:40 benkay however *much* that account *was holding when IIO went down
21:42 BingoBoingo That roughly seems to be it. I've traversed quite a bit of this handle of vodka I trekked through the polar vortex to acquire, but it sounds right. Depositors just weren't inputs.io victims yet.
21:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2117 @ 0.00091285 = 1.9325 BTC [+]
21:43 mircea_popescu benkay there was no depending, tf was in search of adding value to his otherwise not particularly useful service
21:43 benkay all webwallet users are victims, they just don't know it yet.
21:43 BingoBoingo Well, yeah
21:43 mircea_popescu associating with things like jd made sense in that perspective. doog had enough sense to keep it at arms length
21:43 BingoBoingo Every year a new batch of people makes that clear.
21:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.465 BTC [+]
21:44 Duffer1 yea :(
21:44 benkay mircea_popescu there were dependencies if j-d had to have a surety bond
21:44 BingoBoingo benkay: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=242962.msg3480730#msg3480730 hold how this worked out
21:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 42 @ 0.04999999 = 2.1 BTC [+]
21:45 benkay BingoBoingo: anchors aren't working today
21:45 BingoBoingo benkay: It is the bottom post on that page
21:45 benkay well, in ffox anyways.
21:45 pankkake ah, I'm not the only one!
21:45 mircea_popescu mp grins at BingoBoingo's link, knowing full well he was the original investor that insisted dooglus use a gpg scheme to certify investment movements.
21:46 mircea_popescu apparently it caught on. win.
21:46 BingoBoingo I dunno that I was the one to tell that to dooglus.
21:48 pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg4357086#msg4357086 http://www.bitcoincasinopro.com/ lol
21:48 ozbot BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC)
21:49 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1427
21:49 ozbot Loper OS » Cardano Prototype Tidbits: TRNG Boards.
21:49 BingoBoingo pankkake: I imagine this time last year he would have given Blockbet.net an A+++
21:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9570 @ 0.00091287 = 8.7362 BTC [+] {2}
21:54 benkay ah just you wait - someone's going to send in the .3 butts or w/e for a cardano and scream scam that it doesn't mine
21:54 benkay then nsa's name will be trashed on the forums forever
21:54 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I'm looking through my investment records (ie staring wistfully at my vodka) and dun see any record of me having invested in just-dice
21:55 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo me not you
21:55 BingoBoingo Ah
21:55 pankkake don't forget mp talks in the third person
21:55 mircea_popescu sometimes :D
21:56 mircea_popescu lol they're still derping on that topic ?
21:57 BingoBoingo pankkake: I've tried translating MP a few times. Talking in the third person is the least tricky thing MP does.
21:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.001 = 0.2 BTC [+]
21:57 pankkake I have abandonned my trilema TL;DR project :(
21:57 mircea_popescu sometimes he talks in french. other times he talks in odd words only.
21:57 pankkake that bitbet think will never die
21:57 pankkake thing
21:58 benkay more like if you think its too long you probably don't have it in you to actually read it ;)
21:58 benkay what, it's 10K!
21:58 mircea_popescu i thought he was doing more like a public service thing
21:58 benkay kid probably makes 2x that a year.
21:58 benkay he can yell for six months at that rate before
21:58 mircea_popescu benkay i thought it's diff kids carrying the torch. perhaps not.
21:59 benkay a self catalyzing bitchfest?
21:59 benkay it's like a smouldering log - but whence the o2?
22:00 mircea_popescu maybe it's just fascinating.
22:00 mircea_popescu i would guess a large section of the us poor has never encountered this situation where an entity pointedly doesn't give a shit about them
22:02 pankkake isn't it all the time?
22:02 pankkake unless they get enough retweets
22:04 mircea_popescu no, see, there's a difference
22:04 mircea_popescu case 1 : you go to an interview, they never call you back. you apply for a loan, they never call you back. you give a girl your number, she never calls you
22:04 mircea_popescu case 2 : you got to an interview, they tell you you're fucking retarded and get lost
22:04 jcpham f that
22:04 jcpham +1
22:04 mircea_popescu you apply for a loan, they tell you you're a fucking prole and you may never ever have a loan
22:05 mircea_popescu you give a girl a number and she laughs her ass off
22:05 mircea_popescu very different things these
22:05 pankkake once I went to an interview, they never called me back, but it was mutual
22:10 CuWireBeard Oh no rejection, however will a person press on!
22:14 BingoBoingo Oh, Auburn is still winning at half time 21-10. However will line betting survive.
22:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00091265 = 4.1982 BTC [-]
22:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 97 @ 0.00456948 = 0.4432 BTC [+]
22:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.04999999 = 0.45 BTC [+]
22:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 271 @ 0.00294 = 0.7967 BTC [+] {2}
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22:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10663 @ 0.00091323 = 9.7378 BTC [+] {3}
22:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3745 @ 0.00091344 = 3.4208 BTC [+]
22:45 asciilifeform http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/01/05/fbi_drops_law_enforcement_as_primary_mission
22:45 ozbot FBI Drops Law Enforcement as 'Primary' Mission
22:51 benkay they see the writing on the wall w/r/t drug seizures funding their operations, i gather.
23:04 mircea_popescu benkay more like, "what law".
23:06 asciilifeform 'national security' might as well 'lettre de cachet enforcement'. wonder why they bothered formalizing it.
23:08 mircea_popescu i doubt there's any intent involved
23:08 mircea_popescu 3rd rate paper writer wrote a word he liked.
23:09 mircea_popescu According to a recent Pew Research Center survey, more than five-in-ten members of the public and roughly six-in-ten members of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), a nonpartisan membership organization and think tank specializing in U.S. foreign policy, agree that the United States plays a less important role around the world than it did a decade ago.
23:10 mircea_popescu jeez, and here i thought i'm a lone prophet in a sea of denial
23:10 mircea_popescu where's pew find these members of the public ?!
23:10 Duffer1 the northern and coastal states
23:11 Duffer1 did you see the top gear where the guys drove through alabama/georgia?
23:11 mircea_popescu i don't think i ever saw top gear
23:12 Duffer1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKcJ-0bAHB4
23:13 ozbot Run out of Alabama - Offensive cars - Top Gear - Series 9 - BBC - YouTube
23:13 Duffer1 and a bit extra (comments on that episode) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jG0D2nRGrQ
23:13 KRS1 top gear is great, u.s. version sux
23:14 mircea_popescu aha
23:16 mircea_popescu ,d
23:16 mircea_popescu .d
23:16 ozbot 1418481395.26264 | Next Diff in 1170 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.4584% in 6d 22h 38m 28s
23:16 Duffer1 btw, top gear UK is a great show even if you're not into cars
23:17 mircea_popescu im notmuch into tv
23:19 pankkake lol reminds me of redneck rampage
23:19 Duffer1 oh shit i completely forgot about that game
23:20 Duffer1 http://www.gog.com/game/redneck_rampage_collection
23:20 ozbot Redneck Rampage Collection for download $5.99 - GOG.com
23:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1862 @ 0.00091265 = 1.6994 BTC [-]
23:24 benkay you guys i hate fucking with legacy js
23:24 benkay will fuck with not legacy js for btc
23:25 benkay feed a poor bitfag who wants only to work and some btc for his efforts
23:25 pankkake that is true of any code really
23:25 benkay will fuck with not legacy * for btc
23:26 benkay save me
23:26 benkay js is somehow worse though - if tests are guardrails, ecma is like the salt flats
23:26 pankkake do you get coding jobs in btc?
23:26 benkay 900 MPH GO DON'T WORRY ABOUT SURFACE ROUGHNESS
23:27 benkay i want to book all revenue in btc
23:27 pankkake who wouldn't want that? :)
23:27 benkay don't really want a job though - want more to have projects to deliver for fixed bids.
23:28 pankkake have you done this before?
23:28 benkay here and there.
23:28 benkay heh and what is "this"
23:28 pankkake I fear, even more in the btc world, that you'd have to be very specific about the deliverable
23:29 pankkake "this isn't what i asked for"
23:29 benkay o ya
23:29 benkay huge risk in that style of development.
23:30 benkay *sigh*
23:32 pankkake that's the nice thing about being a slave (or as other call it, employee); you don't have to care about it too much
23:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00091502 = 10.7515 BTC [+] {2}
23:35 benkay hard to seize opportunities and grow power base from behind a desk
23:35 benkay hard to get close to capital wielders without desks
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23:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4186 @ 0.00091641 = 3.8361 BTC [+]
23:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.0046 = 0.368 BTC [+] {2}
23:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.44 = 1.32 BTC [-] {2}
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