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00:24 ave1 asciilifeform, could you post the contents of ' build/build-x86_64-linux-musl/binutils-2.25.1/build1/config.log'?
00:24 lobbesbot ave1: Sent 2 days, 4 hours, and 59 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-01#1820193 << yes it worx!
00:24 lobbesbot ave1: Sent 5 hours and 57 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/J7Aey/?raw=true << amd64 gnat dun build on arm64.
00:24 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: enjoying the RE hunt posts
00:26 ave1 asciilifeform, also what is in the build-ada.sh? the last line on aarch64 should read: ../extra/build-tarballs.sh $PREFIX musl ada aarch64 x86_64
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01:14 lobbes mircea_popescu: http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-06-04.log.html#t03:11:12
01:14 lobbesbot Logged on 2018-06-04 03:11:12: <lobbesbot> --- end of auction list, 372.264mn total bids ---
01:14 lobbes ^^ reads, but there is a ~1 min lag from when line is spit out until it hits lobbesbot's db (logs and bot are on separate boxen, and the logs feed the bot).
01:14 lobbes On my todo list is prop up an instance of the tmsr logbot on my pizarro rockchip and redo the #eulora logs to be fed from that. I built the #eulora log-o-tron back in 2015, and back then I had just typed 'ls' for the first time in my life, so I wager I can make the whole process much saner this time around.
01:14 mircea_popescu sure thing.
01:15 lobbes but relatedly to the quote, I am pretty happy to see the auction business booming again :D
01:16 mircea_popescu pretty cool yeah
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01:33 lobbes http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812127 << btw, this has been working like a charm for the download part of the archive process. I was able to do away with the phantomjs-crapolade completely.
01:33 a111 Logged on 2018-05-11 05:12 mircea_popescu: lobbes : curl --cookie "__cfduid=dd16c67421dbb9d1705d6bf28b3fa898c1525574538" -A "TMSR fucks cloudflare" http://archive.today/download/AvNme.zip > AvNme.zip
01:33 lobbes Best part is that the same cookie can be used for -any- download link from archive.today, and each cookie is good for 5 months, so I didn't even need to automate the scraping bit.
01:33 * lobbes to bed
01:34 mircea_popescu tada
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03:59 deedbot http://pizarroisp.net/2018/06/04/pizarro-statement-may-2018/ << PizzaroISP - Pizarro Statement, May 2018
03:59 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: smoosh footnotes down to the bottom of the page pls
04:00 * ben_vulpes bbl
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09:28 deedbot http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/06/04/rocking-fuckgoats-on-the-rock-chip/ << Ossasepia - Rocking Fuckgoats on the Rock-chip
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10:11 mod6 mornin' TMSR~
10:13 mod6 ben_vulpes: thanks for posting the report for May.
10:14 mod6 does '6 x 8GB uSD' mean, 6 x 8GB micro SD cards ?
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10:34 BingoBoingo <ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: smoosh footnotes down to the bottom of the page pls << Will see what I can do about this
10:40 mod6 lol shithub sale to m$
10:45 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/06/microsoft-acquires-github-in-all-stock-transaction/ << Qntra - Microsoft Acquires Github In All Stock Transaction
10:45 BingoBoingo Dammit mod6 you scooped the headline by minutes
10:48 mod6 my bad
10:49 BingoBoingo Nah, my bad
10:51 mod6 paid in m$ stock. bwahaha.
11:00 BingoBoingo 4srs
11:04 asciilifeform diana_coman: very spiffy; i have added your tests to the FG www links.
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12:01 BingoBoingo !!up alex__c
12:01 deedbot alex__c voiced for 30 minutes.
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12:18 mircea_popescu in other hystericals, http://trilema.com/2018/mps-guide-to-getting-crabs/#comment-125878
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12:42 diana_coman asciilifeform, cheers
12:44 diana_coman ahaha, tmsr=temeswar warum nicht
12:45 mircea_popescu :D
13:00 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-03#1820367 << there isn't one, there is a peculiar bug that seems to only manifest in my lispworks dev environment. things actually work on production, though the patch page is 20mb
13:00 a111 Logged on 2018-06-03 04:11 mircea_popescu: phf, what's the limit ?
13:00 mircea_popescu hm
13:01 phf i'm not sure how practical that makes patch page though, it definitely doesn't open on my x60. i could perhaps introduce some split mode, where patch page only lists the hunk filenames, and you need to click on hunk to see the contents
13:01 asciilifeform ( in unrelated entomo-lulz : https://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-rockchip/2018-06-04#22258989 )
13:07 asciilifeform in other funnies: the preface in http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/trb-build-instructions.html .
13:08 mircea_popescu phf, part of the reason i keep having things sit on other things is to find out what the fuck we need to do.
13:08 mircea_popescu is the idea here that code should never be that long, basically ?
13:09 asciilifeform ^
13:11 asciilifeform ( seealso, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-06#1793733 )
13:11 a111 Logged on 2018-04-06 21:12 asciilifeform: a 500k-loc ( ignoring even for a moment the far greater heft of 'modern' wonders ) c/cpp proggy is, for all intents and purposes, closed-source, even if every line is published, because it is quite impossible for anyone -- even author -- to get a proper grip on its behaviour space
13:11 phf right, that was the original idea, as evangelized by ascii. btcbase patch viewer is designed with that idea in mind
13:13 phf i can obviously fix btcbase to be more useful (i.e. continue to aid the patch exploration) in cases where a patch is big, but in general a 9mb patch seems to go against the whole fits in head
13:14 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: amazing self depth-plumbing butthurt
13:15 mircea_popescu well technically a 9mb genesis.
13:15 asciilifeform phf: trb is, what, 800kB, and already imho 'weighs' ~10+ yrs worth of study to fully grasp
13:15 mircea_popescu see, it rests in between "here's a blob of strange, 100mb long" and "here's a sane genesis"
13:16 mircea_popescu and we do have some such blobs in the process, so far.
13:16 * asciilifeform disagrees that any proggy's src has any business whatsoever weighing 1MB, much less 9MB
13:16 mircea_popescu legacy items, alf.
13:16 asciilifeform when approaching this mass, really oughta start cutting into orthogonal subsystems. and if you can't cut, the design is broken.
13:17 mircea_popescu how are they to be digested, if we deliberately make the tools we use unable to grab them ?
13:17 mircea_popescu first step of any digestion is, gotta stuff it in the gullet. enzymes afterwards.
13:17 mircea_popescu the alternative process (as displayed by some spiders etc) is very limited.
13:17 asciilifeform all else being equal, tool that laughs at arbitrary masses of payload is theoretically better ( if folx can be trusted to 'keep it in their pants' and not to use it as excuse for bloat )
13:17 asciilifeform but history of pc , suggests grimly that they cannot
13:18 mircea_popescu this'd be my reasoning. just because you shouldn't doesn't mean you should couldn't.
13:18 asciilifeform fast comp -- breeds bloat, apparently.
13:20 asciilifeform nao, if phf can make his vtron handle 'arbitrary' (say, up to avail. ram) masses, and without losing anything, moar power to him. but in practice something is usually sacrificed, in the name of speed/efficiency, is the worrisome bit.
13:20 asciilifeform ( as described by naggum & elsewhere, in the 'bathtub' piece )
13:20 phf mp-wp is 162093 loc, 6062 of which are containered gif/png. so it's not even that base64 blobs are adding to weight. the codebase is massive
13:22 asciilifeform trb is, what, 25k-loc.
13:22 phf yeap
13:23 asciilifeform ( not counting, naturally, openssl, bdb, etc )
13:26 mircea_popescu phf, it also has the advantage that it works, and VERY well. which to my knowledge is not true of any other piece of web software (alf's complaints notwithstanding, phuctor emergent codebase may qualify)
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13:26 asciilifeform i fully believe it
13:27 mircea_popescu will you go as far as to say that writing a general purpose scriptable webatron (apache) and a "separate" (notrly) db system (mysql) is the wrong solution, and one should just write his blog software in c directly ?
13:27 asciilifeform ( funnily enuff, asciilifeform has ~own~ 'mp-wp' , made from ~same vintage of wp, that does admittedly only half of what mircea_popescu's does ( i dun have the spam filtration ) )
13:27 mircea_popescu because it is not directly evident to me what portion of the 162k loc (granted -- insane count) is due to the tower of chairs arrangement.
13:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, this is quite what i'm saying, a web publishing platform we will want, and phf is in a prime posityion to appreciate the gargantuan task of "make it from prime principles", i think.
13:28 mircea_popescu considering his blog still doesn't win any beauty contests mine participates in.
13:29 mircea_popescu to be clear, i'm not for a second disputing that such piles of lines of "code" are a scandal and an outrage before god. but i wish to know what we're to do.
13:29 asciilifeform actually i suspect that this is one of those items that will be very short and sweet , when made from first principles under a future http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-26#1789682 system
13:29 a111 Logged on 2018-03-26 14:28 asciilifeform: recall the gc discussion . 'scripting lang is one where progy dun live long enuff to need gc'
13:29 phf mircea_popescu: oh i'm not suggesting there's folly here, i'm a) thinking of how to better slice the beast and b) pointing out that it's not even a container issue
13:29 mircea_popescu yeah.
13:30 mircea_popescu anyway, there's also the 2nd order effect, whereby by interacting with heretics you find out stuff like "hey, i have a memory leak"
13:30 mircea_popescu or w/e it is that you have in there.
13:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, in theory this is a theory, but in practice his comments are still weird looking.
13:32 asciilifeform junkyard wars (e.g. trb, mp-wp) where one is stuck welding a tank from 5 zaporozhets and 3 lada carcasses, because that's what there is to work with, inevitably are heavyweight
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13:32 asciilifeform this is not a susprise, i think.
13:32 asciilifeform *surprise
13:32 asciilifeform to anyone.
13:33 mircea_popescu the other problem still remains : if it is not republican doctrine to have a scriptable webatron with a separable but not separate dbsystem, then ~what is it~.
13:34 phf just to clarify my blog is mp-wp, i just bastardized the theme to the point of "improvements" being worse than original
13:34 mircea_popescu and if it is, then what's wrong with php, and delineated specifically. or what, we're gonna use lua ?
13:34 mircea_popescu phf, oh really ? i thought you had a lisp competitor.
13:34 asciilifeform iirc we had a thread, where asciilifeform outlined a proper scripting lang.
13:35 mircea_popescu there's no such thing as a proper scripting lang in general, though. that's why it even is ~a~ scripting lang, because it's by the task
13:35 asciilifeform ( tldr : something like 'tinyscheme', but in heapless ada, and with deliberately no gc )
13:35 mircea_popescu and here we're looking at a html pre-processor scripting lang
13:35 asciilifeform asciilifeform in particular is looking to ditch python, bash, etc box of rusty nails.
13:35 mircea_popescu and we don't even have a formally declared tmsr-html spec.
13:35 mircea_popescu fuck me if i'm including all the dumbass css bs.
13:35 phf i think someone else here had a lisp implementation, but that one lacked comments entirely
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13:35 asciilifeform html replacement is orthogonal, imho, problem.
13:35 mircea_popescu phf, possibly spyked's.
13:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, it is.
13:36 asciilifeform spyked .
13:36 mircea_popescu i'm just saying, it's not ~just~ mp-wp that's an eyesore here. in truth it's our whole relationship to the www that's at issue.
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13:37 asciilifeform this -- is true. scripting lang, however, has a place in life outside of wwwism -- for throwaway experiments, e.g. http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-April/000296.html , and similar
13:37 mircea_popescu and i don't believe www is dead tech. it may need some changes, but as such, the convenience is there, girls reading logs on gym exercise machine mounted tablets.
13:37 asciilifeform sure.
13:37 asciilifeform no moar than vt100 is 'dead tech'
13:37 mircea_popescu quite.
13:37 mircea_popescu it's too simple to die.
13:38 asciilifeform i use it every day, even tho i have never touched original vt.
13:38 mircea_popescu right.
13:38 asciilifeform ( funnily enuff, the pain of 'modern' html, exactly mirrors the pain of vt 'enhanced' with 'terminal control' gnarl, 35 yrs ago )
13:39 mircea_popescu yes!
13:39 mircea_popescu the same idiots always enhance cunt the same god damned way, a good dose of the clap.
13:39 asciilifeform imho, part of smart engineering is to know not to do this. 'jet engine welded to zaporozhets'.
13:39 mircea_popescu or to quote the unknown russian, "you have disease of capitalist"
13:39 mircea_popescu "you fuck it, it only gets heavy, and you still not hit largest side of barn"
13:42 asciilifeform disease of konsoomer.
13:43 asciilifeform ( tho, -- iirc it was orlol -- had a pertinent piece, on the unremovable disincentive for market players against selling durable, quality items that never need replacement or 'upgrade' etc )
13:45 asciilifeform 'i sold indestructible, perfect $tool to all $n possible buyers, nao what do i eat'
13:46 mircea_popescu man... this is like proposing fucking a slavegirl well is a bad idea, what'll she need you for if you do.
13:47 asciilifeform some activities have this problem, others not ( restauranteurs do not have to contend with a 'i dun need to eat, i already ate in 2011' )
13:49 mircea_popescu from experience, the more solid code delivered, the more demand for further solid code.
13:49 mircea_popescu what, i should write the same god damned thing every six months, like those idiots doing "cms solutions" for "Web development" "tech firms" ?
13:49 mircea_popescu ty, but i'd much rather COMPLETE THINGS.
13:50 asciilifeform again in some subfields there is a famine of solid code, in others -- not ( the payware c compiler people, microshit aside, mostly have starved, afaik )
13:50 mircea_popescu so they're fucking done. permanently. and there's nothing left for http://trilema.com/2017/damele-dameleee/#selection-97.1-52.45 posterity.
13:52 asciilifeform the 'web dev' nonsense where 'same code written every 6mo' is symptom of a poorly-defined problem to begin with; sorta like wound sutures that reopen
13:52 asciilifeform not merely of poor programming.
13:56 mircea_popescu it's symptom of "every biosack has will to live" nonsense. what, they're all gonna be entrepreneurs. pshaw.
13:57 asciilifeform iirc mircea_popescu had an article where 'the carpenter said, i will stand here and hold the wall up, for small fee..'
13:58 mircea_popescu god help us.
14:11 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/qntra-sqntr-may-2018-statement/ << Trilema - Qntra (S.QNTR) May 2018 Statement
14:13 mircea_popescu will be adding the shares presently.
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15:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, we didn't sell/pay anything this month, did we ?
15:33 asciilifeform not afaik
15:34 asciilifeform ( tho i am certainly hoping to begin selling pre-cured c101pa boxen in ~this~ mo )
15:34 mircea_popescu o hey! cool. anything else i should put in ?
15:36 asciilifeform a rockchip cluster under snsa banner , for pizarro, also under construction ( currently still in component search phase ) , construction also planned for this mo
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15:36 mircea_popescu right-o.
15:37 asciilifeform ( no expenditure items yet on this proj )
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17:10 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/no-such-labs-snsa-may-2018-statement/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), May 2018 Statement
17:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, ^ lemme know if anything.
17:10 mircea_popescu and man is it releiving to be done reporting.
17:16 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-03#1820437 <- I can very gladly report that it works! I've re-built gnat on an x86_64; took the aarch64-native to the rockchip; unpacked, set, compiled ffa ch1 and ran, all perfectly fine; ave1 you rock!
17:16 a111 Logged on 2018-06-03 18:51 diana_coman: will do tomorrow and report back
17:22 diana_coman !!v F0D3BF6C74645C228DA0009E4B47A1E8956EE9308AE21F956F13B504227D9A4F
17:22 deedbot diana_coman updated rating of ave1 from 2 to 3 << made the very useful scripts to compile gnat for various architectures as well as other useful ada & ada+c bits; does a lot and talks a little, always on point though; writes at ave1.org
17:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: loox good !
17:28 asciilifeform diana_coman: neato
17:37 mircea_popescu this is pretty fucking cool.
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20:28 mircea_popescu so reading historical qntra or should i say hysterical qntra is quite the fucking riot, but, BingoBoingo or anyone, where\s the article about the moronic french "agents" that texted to their "jihadist" suspect ?
20:31 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/11/paris-mass-shooters-used-plaintext-sms-to-coordinate/ ?
20:31 mircea_popescu nah
20:32 mircea_popescu https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/13/french-intelligence-texts-jihadist-mistake-inadvertently-warning/
20:32 mircea_popescu this item
20:34 mircea_popescu "The incident came as France remains under a state of emergency declared after the 2015 Paris terrorist attacks.
20:34 mircea_popescu Some of the emergency measures, notably beefed up police powers, are to be made permanent under a bill that has been approved by the lower house of parliament, the National Assembly.
20:34 mircea_popescu Despite criticism that the legislation risks curtailing civil liberties because it codifies measures such as stop and seizure and house arrest without judicial review, most of the provisions are expected to stand."
20:34 mircea_popescu etcetera lulz.
20:35 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> "The incident came as France remains under a state of emergency declared after the 2015 Paris terrorist attacks. << http://qntra.net/2016/02/nth-french-republic-officially-dumps-freedom/ And http://qntra.net/2016/05/nth-french-republic-raids-local-google-outpost/
20:35 mircea_popescu ok but this was a specific 2017 event
20:35 BingoBoingo The texting the Jihadi incident happened during the way too long downtime
20:35 mircea_popescu though it turns out it was during the time of qntra forced silence
20:35 mircea_popescu yeah
20:46 asciilifeform i dun recall if i mentioned : as of coupla wks ago, no moar 'emerge portage' on asciilifeform's-ban-masks gentoo boxen : it now ~demands~ gpg2 turd.
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20:47 asciilifeform ( hm, nm, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796255 )
20:47 a111 Logged on 2018-04-11 15:29 asciilifeform: speaking of which, apparently AS OF TODAY gentoo portage latest ver DEMANDS gpg2.
20:50 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/le-grand-blond-avec-une-chaussure-noire/ << Trilema - Le grand blond avec une chaussure noire
21:04 esthlos trinque: I might be being thick, but your link http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-02#1820306 doesn't work for me, and I don't see the post on the rest of your site. have you posted the manifest spec somewhere?
21:04 a111 Logged on 2018-06-02 21:47 trinque: bugger, it's actually http://trinque.org/2018/06/02/v-manifest-specification/
21:05 ben_vulpes works here, esthlos
21:05 ben_vulpes what do you see on his homepage?
21:06 esthlos last post 2017/12/30, the WIP Cuntoo installer
21:06 ben_vulpes wonder if your dns is hosed?
21:07 ben_vulpes i see manifest draf, art car parade, and then the cuntoo instapper
21:07 ben_vulpes installer*
21:07 mircea_popescu esthlos, every link that goes in chan is also found at https://archive.is/http://trinque.org/2018/06/02/v-manifest-specification/
21:07 ben_vulpes have you tried restarting your house
21:07 esthlos http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wh24M/?raw=true ?
21:07 deedbot http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/06/04/visiting-some-real-estates-in-montevideo/ << Bingo Blog - Visiting Some Real Estates In Montevideo
21:07 mircea_popescu anyway, likely problem is trinque's blog doesn't neatly redirect changed names ?
21:08 esthlos mircea_popescu: nice, thanks
21:08 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: seems to do that as well
21:09 mircea_popescu confirmed.
21:10 mircea_popescu in other items of little interest, holy shit ben affleck is a repugnant, fucktarded enemy of human civilisation.
21:10 BingoBoingo Duh
21:10 mircea_popescu so he makes this piece of shit thing, "gigli" right ? and it's "mobster" (because he's cool, right ? like, cool kid ?) meets retard and discovers how cool retards really are!!!
21:11 mircea_popescu it could happen to you too! and if it didn't, it's because you're nopt as cool as hebe shit-fleck, doing inept "check me out, mom, i have sex fantasies with harvey keitel" monologues in laundromats.
21:12 mircea_popescu whole fucking pile also incidentally providing a vehicle for that moron dancer girl what's her name, to pretend like a name can possibly be wasted on her dumb ass. "condition of women" holy shit, she's a poor immigrant dancer already.
21:12 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-04#1820639 build as s.nsa, sell to pizarro?
21:12 a111 Logged on 2018-06-04 19:36 asciilifeform: a rockchip cluster under snsa banner , for pizarro, also under construction ( currently still in component search phase ) , construction also planned for this mo
21:12 mircea_popescu how the fuck to these assholes manage to reconstruct stalinism without stalin!
21:12 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes, was a whole thread, saw it ?
21:13 ben_vulpes i must have missed it, may i have a pointer?
21:14 ben_vulpes oh oh the "your time" thread.
21:14 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814382 more or less
21:14 a111 Logged on 2018-05-16 15:28 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814276 << yes, but this encounters the following problem : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-16#1373235 ; while obviously this won't go as far as "every idea alf has", nevertheless by the time alf makes objects, and independently from nsa, then what is nsa ?
21:14 ben_vulpes yesyes, ty
21:15 mircea_popescu anyway, item is going to be delivered below the original estimate you had anyway, from what i gather.
21:15 esthlos doh, I had trinque's ip set to the old in /etc/hosts, from when I tried to follow mircea_popescu 's advice and disable dns lol
21:16 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: will be cool!
21:20 trinque loller
21:21 trinque !!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9jdLP/?raw=true
21:21 deedbot accepted: 1
21:21 trinque esthlos: ^ gns updated
21:22 mircea_popescu in other news, toasted almonds, black chocolate and milk coffee ftw.
21:27 ben_vulpes black chocolate and milk coffee?
21:40 mircea_popescu perversity!
21:40 ben_vulpes aah.
21:52 mircea_popescu meanwhile in ancient lulzfests, https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2b/5e/cc/2b5eccd7dfe99006f7c784a46c56696b.jpg
21:56 mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/electroneum/status/1003021173012271104 ; amusingly forgets to mention http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/
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22:45 deedbot http://deedbot.org/bundle-526053.txt
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23:59 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/further-gay-bullshit-todo-sobre-mi-madre-la-mala-educacion/ << Trilema - Further Gay Bullshit : Todo sobre mi madre & La mala educacion
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