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00:00 mircea_popescu http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/10695204/Paranoia-leads-Vladimir-Putin-to-the-point-of-no-return.html << o dude, there's no news like old news.
00:05 mircea_popescu !!up gribble
00:05 deedbot gribble voiced for 30 minutes.
00:05 gribble Error: "!up" is not a valid command.
00:05 mircea_popescu ;;estimate
00:05 gribble Next difficulty estimate | None based on data since last change | 8.59041868837e+11 based on data for last three days
00:06 mircea_popescu ah, here's an example of non-reanimating remora asciilifeform : craig woods.
00:07 mircea_popescu batshit insane and rather dumb "female" dood, was going to do something or other by some date or other back in 2014.
00:09 BingoBoingo YET!!!
00:09 mircea_popescu heh.
00:10 mircea_popescu and in other things you've missed out on, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-15#561144
00:10 a111 Logged on 2014-03-15 13:17 mircea_popescu: "A Rational Discussion Medium Focusing on Cryptocurrency, Cryptography and Privacy Claim your bitcointalk.org username on Cryptanalys.is to redeem your free karma today!"
00:20 mircea_popescu aaaand, in three year old re-runs, http://25.media.tumblr.com/7bfcdda0062963b9fd89c2f05d95dea9/tumblr_mtmbhf6lwn1rztzruo1_1280.jpg
00:21 BingoBoingo Awe, adorbs!
00:21 mircea_popescu lol
00:22 BingoBoingo In other scuttlebutt, now Bezos' Amazon WAPO is implying a military coup against Trump may be impending
00:26 mircea_popescu lmao.
00:26 mircea_popescu mp-ball says, nuclear strike levelling washington, dc about three degrees of magnitude more likely than "military coup".
00:27 mircea_popescu even alf got the fuck out of there, which was the last serious impediment. #nukedc
00:27 mircea_popescu and in other "abstraction meets reality" lulz, http://lekki.adsafrica.com.ng/category/145/ "women seeking women in nigeria".
00:28 BingoBoingo Anyways, here's the loller https://archive.is/oZIdE
00:32 mircea_popescu the one salient point, which apparently makes it even into the officialist crapolade, is that, to quote them, "the situation in afghanistan continues to deteriorate". in fact, afghanistan is about to fall.
00:33 mircea_popescu the "government", as usgtards importantly call the aspie enablers, has gone about as long as it'll go. they nominally control a majority of the territory, but this looks well set for an inflection.
00:34 BingoBoingo But where will the junkies get their Heroin?
00:34 mircea_popescu yeah well.
00:35 * BingoBoingo supposes CIA could start growing poppies in Canada
00:35 BingoBoingo Or scale up poppy farming in ukr
00:36 mircea_popescu the problem with heroin is that it's a very stupid drug. as such, it goes in cycles, about 20 years long or so (ie, as long as it takes for a new generation of lemmings to entirely forget). it's on a downcycle right now.
00:37 BingoBoingo Well, in US appears to be peaking.
00:37 mircea_popescu i'd guess already peaked, but anyway.
00:38 BingoBoingo Hard to tell till the accumulation of cold bodies start slowing down.
00:38 mircea_popescu easy to tell, gotta look at "new acquisition" numbers for active pimp ops with a heroin side.
00:38 mircea_popescu once they stop getting hotties, the drop is months away.
00:40 BingoBoingo Ah
00:45 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/08/pantsuit-west-virginia-governor-defects-to-join-trump/ << Qntra - Pantsuit West Virginia Governor Defects To Join Trump
00:46 BingoBoingo ^ Gubanatorial score is 34 GOP, 15 Pantsuit, one Weird
00:59 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1693758 << i've never lived in the city walls proper; or outside of thermonuke fire zone either
00:59 a111 Logged on 2017-08-04 04:27 mircea_popescu: even alf got the fuck out of there, which was the last serious impediment. #nukedc
01:00 asciilifeform would very happily call in the strike on own coordinates tho, if could.
01:05 asciilifeform dc is usg's arse, however, not head. a conscientious exterminator ougta ablate boston and sanfran 1st.
01:07 asciilifeform zurich, london, berlin, as basic secondaries.
01:08 BingoBoingo Gotta wipe New Amserdam too, And Chiraq, lest Chiraqui flavor of pantsuit fill void.
01:08 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the latter is quite depopulated as is
01:10 asciilifeform i go there on bizbis sometimes. into a mostly empty soot-coloured skyscraper.
01:10 asciilifeform where half the lifts dunwork.
01:11 asciilifeform you can hear pipes laid in edison's life, groaning.
01:11 BingoBoingo 2.7 million in Chiraq proper, and 10 million in metro area. Skyscrapers empty, but ghettos full. Chicago has a full "star" mass transit topology, shrinks precieved size of city.
01:11 asciilifeform 2.7m of what.
01:11 asciilifeform do you know even 1 name ?
01:11 BingoBoingo "residents"
01:11 asciilifeform lol
01:12 asciilifeform i saw transgenderfucked beggars, expelled from 'art school', on the pavement.
01:14 asciilifeform i suppose from humane pov they oughta be put out of their misery, but rockets cost money and i can't picture anyone will ever spare one for them.
01:14 mircea_popescu ruthie's own mr snyder prolly spins in his grave.
01:14 asciilifeform whossat?
01:15 mircea_popescu one of the better stories of 30s hollywood (they did very few original scripts then as now) was the story of ruth etting and moe the gimp snyder.
01:15 mircea_popescu dime-a-dance girl turned major star, etc. it's the substance of both love me or leave me and "the roaring twenties"
01:16 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> i saw transgenderfucked beggars, expelled from 'art school', on the pavement. << And when they die during the winter they will still vote Pantsuit. It's what Chicago does. Along with it's downstate mestatasis Belleville and East Saint Louis.
01:16 BingoBoingo Same Belleville of http://qntra.net/2017/06/leftist-terrorist-from-belleville-attacks-gop-baseball-team/ fame
01:16 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: and when pharaon ramses rules from anchorage, they will 'vote' ramses. beggars ain't agents.
01:17 BingoBoingo But they trick the Hussein Bahamas fellow into thinking he is an agent
01:19 BingoBoingo Feed the beggars and they'll tell you to update they testament again
01:21 mircea_popescu should be interesting what the third, further optimized version will be like.
01:23 BingoBoingo Give Fna a sheet of paper. Let the adorable one encode it as only he can, at his leisure.
01:24 mircea_popescu and also make a little cart so it can carry beans around from cupboard to counter ? and what else.
01:25 BingoBoingo Prolly keep the bigger spiders away, Fna's prolly on some of their menus.
01:28 BingoBoingo Anyways, at this point each of Fna's footsteps carry more meaning than anything spewing outta pantsuited chicago.
01:28 mircea_popescu not to mention can walk on ceiling.
01:29 BingoBoingo Seriously
01:32 asciilifeform gekko << 'Скажите, заросли конопли, / ответь, пятнистый геккон, / За что двадцатая часть земли / Должна вдыхать эту вонь?' (tm)(r)(pelevin)
01:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform anyway, the idea is that this was some chicago hardass who "viewed the world as a battleground". very different chicago in 1927.
01:33 asciilifeform ohyea the one with 'chicago typewriter'.
01:33 mircea_popescu no, the one with the "and i'll fix your ticket too" @ his daughter.
01:44 mircea_popescu meanwhile at teh rave, http://68.media.tumblr.com/e83d168e2f19f98fd87b957319565999/tumblr_o8pyprPoty1sx6xa0o1_1280.jpg
~ 18 minutes ~
02:02 ben_vulpes trumpenguard now operating out of a double-wide: http://archive.is/1efqN
02:04 ben_vulpes nah, hasta be a single-wide
02:08 ben_vulpes eldritch reactor rod automation and complexity-layering: https://keybase.io/docs/kbfs
02:09 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/73F5B65045D18FE5164134652EAC7E16FF08864E46B284D382356BBFBF2E22F6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1533...1907 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '68.168.223.22 (ssh-rsa key from 68.168.223.22 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (clearwall.com. US NY)
02:09 ben_vulpes egregiously papers over the notion that signing should be a special, considered act.
02:14 ben_vulpes very fancy, 'user phriendly', pki
02:17 ben_vulpes missed this gem: https://keybase.io/docs/server_security/merkle_root_in_bitcoin_blockchain
02:18 ben_vulpes WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT THE PHORKS, KEYBASE?
02:18 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/73F5B65045D18FE5164134652EAC7E16FF08864E46B284D382356BBFBF2E22F6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1593...1023 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '68.168.223.22 (ssh-rsa key from 68.168.223.22 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (clearwall.com. US NY)
02:18 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EE834FA2CAE6CBD32C94443C83E0878704F2638596E9AF7F6F11084E6E136D6E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1466...2859 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '159.90.200.230 (ssh-rsa key from 159.90.200.230 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown VE A)
02:18 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EE834FA2CAE6CBD32C94443C83E0878704F2638596E9AF7F6F11084E6E136D6E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1673...7557 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '159.90.200.230 (ssh-rsa key from 159.90.200.230 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown VE A)
02:29 mircea_popescu in other unhappeneds, agnes miegel's an den fuhrer never existed, as far as the "gateway to world's culture" is concerned.
02:30 mircea_popescu "Laß in deine Hand, Führer, uns vor aller Welt bekennen. Du und wir, nie mehr zu trennen stehen ein für unser deutsches Land." thereof is cited (with special washington reich permission, no doubt) by about five billion "different" and no doubt "independent" that "are giving quotes". you know, for illustrative purposes. to illustrate a point.
02:31 mircea_popescu somehow that they all use the EXACT FUCKING TWO LINES as per the usg permit doesn't bother them. what, all lemmings think the same way, they independently and distinctly selected the exact some item for their illustrative needs. and they selected it out of the work in discussion, believe, not out of the reichkomissar's permit.
02:34 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes what the fuck is this dumb shit.
02:36 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9DB2CFB61E561DB1780002B39A2523DDA4836126A29445037CED8A2F2DF48509 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1592...8787 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.174.65.6 (ssh-rsa key from 79.174.65.6 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (3133.ovz-ssd7.hc.ru. RU)
02:36 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9DB2CFB61E561DB1780002B39A2523DDA4836126A29445037CED8A2F2DF48509 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1625...8253 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.174.65.6 (ssh-rsa key from 79.174.65.6 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (3133.ovz-ssd7.hc.ru. RU)
02:36 mircea_popescu " Our goal: smack-dab in the middle of a public Reddit or HackerNews or Twitter conversation, you should be able to say "Hey, I threw those gifs/libraries/whatever in our encrypted keybase folder" without ever asking for more identifying info. If that person hasn't installed Keybase yet, your human work is still done. They can join and access the data within seconds, and your device will quietly handle the verification and re
02:36 mircea_popescu keying, without ever trusting Keybase's servers."
02:37 mircea_popescu what the shit is this pile of batshit insane nonsense even supposed to mean, besides "o shit, the republic is taking over, quick! pretend like we';re doing soemthing"
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03:03 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/00C76818DF38314F2C638CC2DB46383905026817ADFB3645A4F9B970AD023D38 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1710...5887 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.160.235.82 (ssh-rsa key from 213.160.235.82 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ns01.online4u.no. NO 03)
03:03 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/00C76818DF38314F2C638CC2DB46383905026817ADFB3645A4F9B970AD023D38 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1786...0597 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.160.235.82 (ssh-rsa key from 213.160.235.82 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ns01.online4u.no. NO 03)
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09:53 mod6 mornin
10:06 asciilifeform heya mod6
10:14 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1693833 << the usual embrace&extinguish work.
10:14 a111 Logged on 2017-08-04 06:37 mircea_popescu: what the shit is this pile of batshit insane nonsense even supposed to mean, besides "o shit, the republic is taking over, quick! pretend like we';re doing soemthing"
10:17 asciilifeform 'identity proofs (twitter, github, your website, etc.)' didjaknow.
~ 36 minutes ~
10:53 asciilifeform meanwhile, ACHTUNG PANZERS!
10:54 asciilifeform i did finally get http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1693606 going . had to edit makefile and ENABLE_TCL := 0
10:54 a111 Logged on 2017-08-04 02:20 asciilifeform: 'yosys' is that chain's verilog synth; the whole shebang is quite dead in the water without it.
10:54 asciilifeform so can haz ice40!!!!
10:54 asciilifeform synthesis appears to work.
10:54 asciilifeform ( not even substantially slower than xilinx chain. though i have currently nfi re output quality in re path delays )
10:55 asciilifeform at some point will have to see re depython3ization.
11:00 asciilifeform !~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/56j7x/?raw=true
11:00 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
11:03 asciilifeform examples/icestick/example.v BUILDS and programs and runs... blinkenlichten blink in the specified order.
11:03 asciilifeform ( not a high bar, but probably enough to say now that next FUCKGOATS will NOT feature a xilinx no moar )
11:04 mod6 ah, cool alf
11:06 asciilifeform 'icestick' is a notbad student devboard btw
11:06 asciilifeform thumbdrive-shaped, no cabled needed
11:06 asciilifeform *cables
11:06 asciilifeform (carries own jtag-programmator along)
11:07 mod6 ~fiddybux, nb
11:07 asciilifeform 25
11:08 asciilifeform http://www.semiconductorstore.com/cart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=57375&utm_source=GoogleShopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_content=Lattice%20Semiconductor&utm_campaign=ICE40HX1K-STICK-EVN&gclid=Cj0KCQjwtpDMBRC4ARIsADhz5O6lYGXDb4mfQa-6T-bZvt35DjOq1AJNVMLPxBN2i_K_lje_fekDtFoaAoUMEALw_wcB << 20.
11:08 asciilifeform maybe even cheaper elsewhere.
11:09 asciilifeform it isn't the only compat. devboard , by any means. but probably the smallest and most self-contained.
11:09 asciilifeform has ftdi thing for usb i/o as well as programming.
11:09 asciilifeform and buncha lights, and a pin header.
11:11 * asciilifeform goes back to FFAism
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11:42 asciilifeform https://blog.lse.epita.fr//articles/77-lsepc-intro.html << in other veryolds.
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11:58 mircea_popescu aaand in other "isn't this lulzy", Aug 04 02:21:45 * mircea_popescu has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Aug 04 02:21:45 * Disconnected (Remote host closed socket).
11:59 mircea_popescu dorks gotta arresthire some more, srsly now, this is reich-level ridiculous.
12:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NV22W/?raw=true
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12:16 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1693840 << i didn't fucking know. explain plox! starting with https://keybase.io/images/tracking/maria_twitter.jpg perhaps. so what was it, mircea_popescu = m1rcea_p0pescu ? and what else, 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452 = 2FB7B452 = ae1be204f735a3ff19160b68dcf5b06d2FB7B452 ?
12:16 a111 Logged on 2017-08-04 14:17 asciilifeform: 'identity proofs (twitter, github, your website, etc.)' didjaknow.
12:18 mircea_popescu schmucks.
12:19 mircea_popescu "hey, we discover a way whereby cold equations no longer applies" "o wow. does this way still do anything ?" "nope" "so it's directly equivalent to not having invented anything" "yes, but we can brand this."
12:22 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1693844 << o hey, turns out you didn't even need america's fastest lyoinnais transported flat tv screens for anything ? win.
12:22 a111 Logged on 2017-08-04 14:54 asciilifeform: so can haz ice40!!!!
12:24 asciilifeform i since tested the j1forth thing on same board. builds, runs.
12:24 mircea_popescu nice.
12:24 asciilifeform 'the lady goes'
12:25 asciilifeform this is a 20bux board that gives fullspeed usb , lamps, ir i/o (why -- idk ) and various else.
12:25 asciilifeform 1k LUTs.
12:25 mircea_popescu pretty cool
12:25 mircea_popescu !!up diana_away
12:25 asciilifeform ( moar than enough for, e.g., soft mips cpu, & similar )
12:25 deedbot diana_away voiced for 30 minutes.
12:25 diana_away thanks
12:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ir i/o is not so bad to have. no need to crt/print and gun anymore, just use an ir diode system.
12:27 asciilifeform it's 'promiscuous' , vs qr gun
12:27 asciilifeform ideally you'd put a black hose around it.
12:27 mircea_popescu well yes.
12:27 asciilifeform then yes.
12:28 mircea_popescu not even black as much as you know, ir dark.
12:28 asciilifeform ( nao if i knew where i buried my serial-to-irda box from 1990s! )
12:28 mircea_popescu from experience car cooling hose works fab.
12:28 mircea_popescu (25 bux for a meter's worth or so)
12:28 asciilifeform i used to make field-expedient photoisolators from diode+photocell+heatshrinkhose
12:29 mircea_popescu which is heatshrinkhose ?
12:30 asciilifeform http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/cagetest/1.jpg << the material (in this case, clear, but comes in all types) curled around the ferrites in pic
12:30 asciilifeform it shrinks ~80% at 80c
12:30 mircea_popescu ah
12:30 asciilifeform btw i have 20GB or so out of that thing
12:31 asciilifeform exactly same , as far as i can tell, as no box.
12:32 mircea_popescu you mean, you had a boxed fg running and it produced 20GB of entropy so far and you can't detect anything more or less than with an unboxed FG ?
12:32 asciilifeform correct.
12:32 mircea_popescu yes but also comprehensible.
12:33 asciilifeform all it shows is that the thing did not ~obviously~ pick up voiceofamerica.
12:34 asciilifeform ( and revisiting http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/cagetest/2.jpg , for completeness, one coax is dc 5v , other -- ttl output )
12:35 asciilifeform recall also http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/fibertest/fg_isol_sender.jpg + http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/fibertest/fg_isol_receiver.jpg gave similar null result for ~power~.
12:35 asciilifeform (i.e. made no diff, in a lab setting, whether power source was pc (mine is on isolated mains however) or batt )
12:35 asciilifeform both may very well still make diff in a tactical setting.
12:36 mircea_popescu meanwhile in subrural romania, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-BxbLyO_ng
12:38 asciilifeform btw that laser was a bit wonky, i hesitate to recommend it : it would overpower the receiver if the fiber were actually screwed in all the way 'to the hilt', and barf
12:39 asciilifeform but currently i have nfi who -- if anyone -- makes a better one pcb-mounted visible-light one. that module is ubiquitous.
12:39 asciilifeform and it ain't a 'cable too short' either -- i used a 4-metre fiber
12:41 mircea_popescu technically this is a good thing, can use very long cable.
12:41 mircea_popescu screw a filter in if short, no biggy.
12:41 asciilifeform bad thing because thing requires hour of manual fiddling
12:41 asciilifeform and could fail if room gets too warm too cold etc
12:41 asciilifeform it is not The Right Thing.
12:42 asciilifeform a trial with toslink is in the worx but omfg i have too few hands and infinite work
12:42 mircea_popescu :p
12:43 asciilifeform ( and toshiba is rotting in hell, who knows if toslink will be around in near future. and for some reason they use slow slew rate diode and it tops out at 1M/s )
12:43 asciilifeform incidentally for some reason i remember kako bragging about his 'data diode' thing, apparently it was his crowning techno-achievement
12:44 mircea_popescu nothin wrong with dat.
12:44 asciilifeform nope.
12:44 asciilifeform but rather like bragging about changing oil in auto.
12:45 mircea_popescu o yeah ? you think people generally can change their oil ?
12:45 asciilifeform in old-time su, when auto aficionados all had access to a pit, they could
12:46 mircea_popescu you gotta a) read the fucking manual to find oil drain spot ; b) lift front on crank ; c) set a large enough recipient correctly on the ground.
12:46 asciilifeform lol re c
12:46 mircea_popescu i would guess < 0.01% of general pop could do this at all.
12:47 mircea_popescu andf in the "don't do more damage than the shop would charge ; and don't take longer than it'd take to take to shop" view... god help us. 0% and leave it at that.
12:48 asciilifeform i recently saw a truck painted with ad, 'we are the plumber who will fix the pipe your husband 'fixed' '
12:49 mircea_popescu their bane is technology. /me saw pipe screwed in backwards (for some reason pipe had been threaded the wrong way for the nut). but with the help of teflon tape (GAS version, btw) it only leaked a little. dripped.
12:49 mircea_popescu if they didn't have access to human tools and tech generally, their stupidity would be unsustainable.
12:49 asciilifeform holyfuck.
12:49 mircea_popescu yes.
12:49 mircea_popescu this is the problem. don't give orc fucking teflon tape.
12:50 asciilifeform bonus re teflontape -- teflon + Al reaction -- explosion and HF. this requires strictly pressure to initiate. pressure that is sometimes reached in a water pipe...
12:51 mircea_popescu you don't say.
12:51 mircea_popescu which is the sad point that i am constrained to make against my will : there's a good fucking reason for tivoization.
12:51 mircea_popescu the imbeciles.
12:51 asciilifeform whipping also works.
12:52 asciilifeform there used to be a population of quacks offering 'cheap, discrete' abortions with veterinary tools they somehow got hold of, & similar
12:52 asciilifeform it is not the fault of the knife, no.
12:53 mircea_popescu veterinary tools are not much worse for the job than what was found in a hospital cca 1970. the problem with obgyn is the hand not the tool.
12:53 asciilifeform aha
12:53 mircea_popescu (which is what makes the jeremy irons horror film. when obgyn decides "women are monstrously malforned, need better tools", all other obgyns know he's insane.)
12:53 asciilifeform point ( and i stole it from naggum, it is neither original to me nor to him ) is that most folx know better than to operate on their friends' internals
12:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform but not THAT internal. most people consider themselves qualified to operate on that part.
12:55 asciilifeform the interesting bit re the comp is the absence of anything corresponding to the actual medical profession
12:55 mircea_popescu but nsa has been trying to build this forever.
12:55 mircea_popescu it's one of its deadly sins, in republican accounting.
12:56 asciilifeform was referring to 'medical profession' in the desirable 'people who actually use antiseptics and know how not to cut random arteries as they go' rather than 'caste of egomaniacal brahmins' american sense.
12:56 mircea_popescu but this is a node further down the tree.
12:57 asciilifeform how's that
12:57 mircea_popescu certainly us doctors are as egomaniacal idiotic as all other usg-aryan groups, financial experts, lawyers, etc. however, they are not derelict in their actual work (unlike the financial dorks, but like the lawyhers)
12:58 asciilifeform varies.
12:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform because that's how it goes, whether to have a caste at all comes before what kind shall it be.
12:58 asciilifeform not every craft ends up creating a self-licking-icecreamcone guild
12:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i suppose exceptions could be found. but take constructions (architects + actual builders). exceptions could there also be found, but THE OTHER WAY.
12:58 asciilifeform ( though admittedly i do not know the conditions which determine when )
12:58 mircea_popescu this is to my eyes a very substantial difference.
13:02 asciilifeform hm.
13:03 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2017/08/04/how-does-infant-car-seat-handle-in-blackzilla/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - “How does infant car seat handle in Blackzilla?”
13:07 asciilifeform upstack : in case it wasn't obvious : it is possible to make ddr2 sdram controller , nic, etc.
13:08 asciilifeform ice40 series tops out at 250Mhz iirc, so it'd be a modest thing. but working.
13:09 asciilifeform ( and that's the global clock net max, rather than 'hey i can make a pentium pro'. LUT delay is 10ns+ iirc )
13:10 asciilifeform you ~can~ make a i386. or a m68k. mips. 'ivory'... etc
13:10 mircea_popescu right, you can make a lisp machine.
13:10 asciilifeform aha.
13:10 asciilifeform 1 that runs on 'aa' battery.
13:11 asciilifeform ( lattice co.'s whole niche is micropower fpga )
13:12 mircea_popescu would be pretty funny, considering that's the one point the "supremely engineered" items were never really engineered for. power draw, weight, ecological considerations of that sort.
13:13 asciilifeform if we're speaking of 1980s, no comp maker then engineered 'for power draw and ecology', it was a nonstarter
13:13 mircea_popescu yup.
13:14 mircea_popescu i'm not faulting them for it ; but the matter remains. 100kg and 5KW/h for the battery-powered fpga ? aww!
13:14 asciilifeform as for weight, original bolix was doublefridge size. the 3620 (what i have here) was paraded when debuted by the ceo hand carried on a stage in front of audience, 'only 100 pounds!'
13:14 mircea_popescu almost ready to go into "briefcase".
13:14 mircea_popescu "man should be able to drag 50kg from car to elevators"
13:14 asciilifeform eventually they shrunk ~whole thing down to 1 die ( + crapple mac 'quadra' for support ) and bankrupted to dead in the process.
13:15 asciilifeform *to death
13:15 asciilifeform because fab ain't cheap.
13:15 asciilifeform ( they didn't own a fab, either, contracted )
13:15 mircea_popescu aha.
13:17 asciilifeform last gasp was the emulator, on dec alpha ( forced choice, no other 64bit chip on the market then ) , ran at 3x speed of the best actual chip
13:17 asciilifeform but toolate.
13:17 asciilifeform then alpha died and curtain.
13:18 asciilifeform re energy -- my 3620 drew ~600 W.
13:19 asciilifeform ( slightly less than double of what the comp i am sitting on now, eats )
13:19 asciilifeform console another 150.
13:19 asciilifeform ( pretty close to what my lcd wall eats actually )
13:27 asciilifeform meanwhile, in arm7 planet, https://getchip.com/pages/chippro
13:28 asciilifeform ( pogolike, though no sata or wired nic, <20bux in 'infinite' qty )
13:38 asciilifeform https://archive.is/xb1If << in other olds. dataflow crackpotteries.
13:43 mircea_popescu aand in other mini-news, <li>#trilema <a href=http://btcbase.org/log/>l</a><a href=http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema>o</a><a href=http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/today>g</a><a href=http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-08-04.log.html>s</a>.</li>.
13:47 lobbes http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TGHNG/?raw=true << Even though I closed my account ages ago, still get Buttbase emails. Just received his lovely gem of SFYL lulz
13:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: wassat
13:49 mircea_popescu the logs links on trilema sidebar. so far they all still fit, somehiw
13:50 mircea_popescu lobbes no, the january 1st is top kek.
13:51 mircea_popescu these dorks evaporated in two days, and the cavalry is coming in january ? all of the "investors" and "Speculators" and "Experts" in bitcoin crash will have long moved on, most of them through multiple different "new big thing".
13:56 lobbes Ohey, mircea_popescu you should switch the logs.minigame.bz link to "http://logs.minigame.bz/latest.log.html"; currently is set to the static page of 8-4-2017
13:58 lobbes I.e. the "<a href=http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-08-04.log.html>s</a>.</li>."
13:58 mircea_popescu a kk
13:58 mircea_popescu yea
13:59 mircea_popescu done
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14:21 ben_vulpes you'll want it to be .html too :P
14:22 ben_vulpes !!up edivad
14:22 deedbot edivad voiced for 30 minutes.
14:22 ben_vulpes edivad: what kind of system are you building trb on that shipped without `patch`?
14:35 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes huh ?
14:35 mircea_popescu o damn. ty.
14:47 shinohai 23:53:31 --> http_GK1wmSU (~deep-book@129.232.221.173) has joined #chainstate << now he's following you ben_vulpes xD
14:49 ben_vulpes yeah i been watching
14:51 lobbes ben_vulpes: you'll want it to be .html too :P << Related phun phact: plaintext versions of static #eulora log pages are available by lopping off the ".html" e.g.  "http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-08-01.log.html" >> "http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-08-01.log"
14:52 ben_vulpes lobbes: neato
14:59 mircea_popescu a nice.
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15:29 ben_vulpes in other old lady state news, girl who texted guy to kill himself got 15 months in the pen
15:29 ben_vulpes manslaughter, dontchaknow
15:31 trinque shoulda said he "raped her". she'd have her own youtube channel by now, or w/e the kids do.
15:43 mod6 <+ben_vulpes> edivad: what kind of system are you building trb on that shipped without `patch`? << this is the same thing I said.
15:43 mod6 (He asked in PM)
15:44 mod6 Haven't heard back yet, but instructed to install whatever package contains `patch` and proceed from there.
15:44 mod6 I did run into this once before with someone else, can't remember whom. But yeah, some default install of $linux that doesn't come with anything.
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16:35 asciilifeform mod6: typically rathead variants
16:36 asciilifeform ( 'why should we ship dev tool! we're a binary turd, microshit by other name' )
16:38 ben_vulpes trinque: hue
16:38 ben_vulpes !!up edivad
16:38 deedbot edivad voiced for 30 minutes.
16:41 mod6 <+asciilifeform> ( 'why should we ship dev tool! we're a binary turd, microshit by other name' ) << this
16:42 mod6 edivad: did you get it resolved?
16:55 asciilifeform in other noose, asciilifeform took the chance made by the death of ssd in 'zoolag' to attempt netbsd. result : no boot. ( with or without 'no acpi' ) option, hangs at usb init.
16:56 mod6 sad
16:56 asciilifeform fuck x86 with red hot poker.
17:04 ben_vulpes https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/04/us/10-sickened-kansas-city-irs-suspicious-package.html
17:10 asciilifeform cure on the netbsd forums is 'turn off usb3'. twist : CANNOT be disabled on the box in question
17:11 asciilifeform ( because bios from malicious tards. how about linuxbios ? no can do, because intel. )
17:12 asciilifeform https://mail-index.netbsd.org/current-users/2013/11/11/msg023663.html << 2013! and before anyone asks, the proposed fix dun work.
17:12 asciilifeform but HEY AT LEAST IT RUNS ON DREAMCAST AND TOASTERS
17:13 asciilifeform ( and in fact it ran on my pogo. but that doesn't produce a usable trb node. )
17:13 mod6 lel
17:13 asciilifeform i dun even pin this on the netbsd people, they are the dangling corpse in the relationship with wintel
17:15 asciilifeform infuriating idiocy. apparently it won't run on any. x86. box. with. usb3. at. all.
17:16 asciilifeform because the shitware iron does not in fact follow anything resembling a spec. it follows a liquishit that would take up five walls of book if ever put to paper -- which it won't be -- and co-developed with winblowz shitware driver, which ~runs, and rathead shitware 'open' sores driver, which runs, and naught ever else.
17:16 asciilifeform usb3, that is.
17:17 mod6 yeah that sucks
17:18 asciilifeform looks like we're down to exactly 1 ~working os, folx...
17:19 asciilifeform i'll point out that this was the fiddybux 'celeron' box that beat the living shit out of $maxint dulap : strictly on account of having ssd
17:20 asciilifeform old disk in zoolag was with centos.
17:20 asciilifeform i want centos out of my house.
17:20 asciilifeform but dun have time to spend 2 wks making a gentoo box...
17:22 asciilifeform motherfucker. i dun even USE usb3 for anything.
17:22 mod6 yeah, takes some time to setup. well worth it in the end... just takes some time.
17:22 asciilifeform mod6: i elementarily don't have the time.
17:33 asciilifeform meanwhile, in music from less rotten worlds, http://joshuawise.com/vax/vaxstationii.mp3 .
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18:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kODAQ/?raw=true
18:42 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1694018 << kids dunno how to work the ropes of herdemocracy.
18:42 a111 Logged on 2017-08-04 19:31 trinque: shoulda said he "raped her". she'd have her own youtube channel by now, or w/e the kids do.
18:43 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1694035 << doesn't sound like much of a box. yank usb3 controller off board i guess ?
18:43 a111 Logged on 2017-08-04 21:11 asciilifeform: ( because bios from malicious tards. how about linuxbios ? no can do, because intel. )
18:44 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1694049 << cuntoo being the evident and correct solution, rather than the constant two weeks.
18:44 a111 Logged on 2017-08-04 21:20 asciilifeform: but dun have time to spend 2 wks making a gentoo box...
18:51 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/caligula/ << Trilema - Caligula
18:56 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1694057 << it's an all-in-one
18:56 a111 Logged on 2017-08-04 22:43 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1694035 << doesn't sound like much of a box. yank usb3 controller off board i guess ?
18:56 mircea_popescu heh
18:56 mircea_popescu no bios and must run usb3 seems to disqualify the hardware, not netbsd, though.
18:56 asciilifeform and this is true of pretty much any box that makes decent trb node (i.e. has sata3 + ssd )
18:57 asciilifeform more recent boxes have no usb2 at all...
18:58 asciilifeform possibly one could try building a netbsd that doesn't try to touch the usb chip at all. then enjoy setting up sans keyboard.
18:58 asciilifeform ( nic dun go -- then wat. )
18:59 mircea_popescu im not sure what you're saying.
19:00 asciilifeform btw in case this wasn't clear, this was zoolag , which did 2+ yrs of 24/7 trb.
19:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: netbsd attempt hangs that box at usb chip init.
19:00 mircea_popescu because the box is broken.
19:01 asciilifeform show where to get sata3 fanless box cum gbE with no usb3 ?
19:02 asciilifeform i'll buy dozen...
19:03 mircea_popescu but this does not fix the bot.
19:03 mircea_popescu box*
19:04 asciilifeform realize, i dun have the iron i have because i found it on he sidewalk.
19:04 asciilifeform *the
19:04 mircea_popescu none of this cogently argues "netbsd is bad".
19:04 asciilifeform not so 'bad' as 'murdered'
19:05 mircea_popescu i guess.
19:05 asciilifeform ( was my meaning in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1694040 )
19:05 a111 Logged on 2017-08-04 21:13 asciilifeform: i dun even pin this on the netbsd people, they are the dangling corpse in the relationship with wintel
19:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform iirc the g-series amds went into fanless embeds. pretty sure they take s3 ?
19:06 asciilifeform not afaik
19:06 asciilifeform ( they clock it down to sata2 )
19:07 asciilifeform also problem is the soldered down ram.
19:07 mircea_popescu here, asrock QC5000-ITX/PH. multiple s3, and pretty sure it goes into fanless arangement.,
19:07 * asciilifeform puts on iron list
19:08 mircea_popescu there's also stuff from biostar, zotac, ecs which imo sucks, and so on.
19:08 mircea_popescu but basically FT amd's will fit into your purpose here.
19:08 asciilifeform that's a 'kabini'
19:08 asciilifeform usb3 on fucking cpu die
19:09 asciilifeform afaik they're all kabini or the next, ditto
19:09 asciilifeform ( apparently i have one here ..! )
19:10 mircea_popescu yes, but i expect you can turn it off with a proper bios ?
19:10 mircea_popescu i thought the problem was the intel bios lock + the inept usb3 combo, rather than the simple presence of usb3 ?
19:10 asciilifeform possibly, i'ma try it on this here one i've nailed to a plank
19:11 * mircea_popescu has never specifically done zoolag, is stuck guessing from higher up.
19:11 asciilifeform it was a fist-sized 'gigabyte' fanless celeron thing.
19:11 mircea_popescu well, conceivably can be replaced with same gigabyte celeron ?
19:12 asciilifeform it dun need replacement per se, was dead disk. i took the downtime as chance to try netbsd on same iron, when new disk came. iirc i explained this upstack.
19:12 mircea_popescu ah ah right.
19:13 asciilifeform it was running a vintage centos prev.
19:13 mircea_popescu right. so basically time exposed a broken box you had in your basement. happens to me all teh time.
19:14 asciilifeform brokenbydesign aha
19:14 mircea_popescu aha
19:15 asciilifeform the troubling bit is that even if trick works with kabini, that might be the last.
19:15 mircea_popescu myeah.
19:15 asciilifeform and it's out of print even nao.
19:15 asciilifeform ( recall, current amd is locked into pantsuitbios )
19:18 asciilifeform extra infuriating detail -- i dun specifically need x86 for this , trb runs ok on arm. BUT all extant arms have soldered down (and insufficient) ram.
19:18 asciilifeform ( incl. pogo )
19:18 mircea_popescu perhaps easier to approach than usb3 ablation.
19:18 asciilifeform there is no fundamental reason for this.
19:19 asciilifeform trb in 256M ain't happening.
19:19 asciilifeform not without rewrite.
19:20 asciilifeform sorta what all of my findings from beginning to nao, sum to.
19:20 mircea_popescu there';s no fundamental reason trb needs more than about 5mb or so of ram ; but this aside : gotta find a way to put your own ram in the damned arm boxes.
19:20 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: only way the latter happens is new board from 0
19:21 mircea_popescu board is no such a huge deal. for one thing they're all farmed out anyway, and most parts are off the shelf ; for the other -- how the fuck are you gonna cut off the on-chip nasty.
19:21 asciilifeform ever take close look at board with sdram ? needs equal paths ( the wiggling lines you see are called 'meanders' )
19:21 asciilifeform ah i thought implication was 'mod the board'
19:22 mircea_popescu nah. easier to make new board for pogo than to make new cpu for zoolag.
19:22 asciilifeform but yes it is possible to design arm box with sockets
19:22 mircea_popescu and ~possibly~ easier than to sanely rewrite trb
19:22 asciilifeform if you could source an arm
19:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform move the pogo cpu ? lol.
19:22 asciilifeform which to date i have found impossible in human qties
19:22 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ever reball a bga?
19:23 mircea_popescu personally ? no lol.
19:23 asciilifeform anyway above contemplation is a year+ of sweat and all you get at the end is a very expensive arm.
19:24 mircea_popescu myeah.
19:24 asciilifeform 'i want a glass of beer' 'here is some sand, a plot of land..'
19:24 mircea_popescu moderate your expectations!
19:25 asciilifeform well i have. currently, by expecting 1 fewer trb testbed..
19:25 asciilifeform would rather moderate some other
19:25 mircea_popescu in other news, kichizo ishida's severed penis disappeared from teh tokyo uni medical school museum at some point.
19:26 asciilifeform whossat
19:26 mircea_popescu major japanese sex/fun scandal pre ww2, lifetime whore from whore fambly cut off dude's penis and went around with it inserted for a few days.
19:27 mircea_popescu !~google sada abe
19:27 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Sada Abe - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sada_Abe>; Sada Abe | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers: <http://murderpedia.org/female.A/a/abe-sada.htm>; Smiling Sada Abe - FamousPictures.org: <http://www.famouspictures.org/smiling-sada-abe/>
19:30 mircea_popescu as there's no natural nails for the "feminist" hysteria to hang its plurious hats from, generally any salient features of the environment will be co-opted. which is the story here as it is with every other mentally ill / imbecile heroine of the nonsense.
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19:54 mircea_popescu in other somewhat-lulz, https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6rjzqz/two_biggest_bitcoin_subs_according_to_their/
20:02 lobbes asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/xaKiz/?raw=true
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20:42 * mircea_popescu is watching "der ewige jude". holy shit it's bad. who the fuck came up with the notion "propaganda works" anyway ?
20:43 mircea_popescu upon examination seems more in the vein of "gifts for sex works". sure it works. in the sense of "if she was going to fuck you anyway, then totally".
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21:19 shinohai https://github.com/Bitcoin-ABC/bitcoin-abc/issues/66 <<< Apparently, one can have Negative balance in "Bitcoin ABC"
21:22 mircea_popescu is this good for crash coin ?
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22:11 mircea_popescu !$ssh 190.73.104.55
22:11 mircea_popescu mmm. well known ssh/http proxy, at that.
~ 1 hours 30 minutes ~
23:42 mircea_popescu and in other humble living news, a pound of frozen maraschino cherries, a coupla bananas, a dozen or two shots of prime rum, milk and ice qs blend into a rather pleasant cocktail
23:42 mircea_popescu about a harem's worth, +-.
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