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00:21 adlai !~later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/19B0HZY.txt
00:23 * adlai places faith in log-based delivery and nudges shinohai on his way to class
00:25 phf apropos, http://btcbase.org/log/?nick=phf will highlight all the messages from and to nick (it's half baked, like it doesn't get preserved when you switch pages, but i have the logs bookmarked that way, so that i can see if i got mentioned at a glance)
00:26 BingoBoingo ty adlai
00:27 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/01/bitcoin-mining-difficulty-up-amazing-16-64-as-usual-another-all-time-high/ << Qntra - Bitcoin Mining Difficulty Up Amazing 16.64% (As Usual Another All Time High)
~ 33 minutes ~
01:00 phf thestringpuller: i have just the bag for you http://draughtdrygoods.tumblr.com/post/51029383094/draught-dry-goods-getaway-duffel-in-unwashed
~ 18 minutes ~
01:18 davout "I designed it to hold one million dollars in cash, and that’s why it’s named The Getaway Duffel."
~ 3 hours 37 minutes ~
04:56 jurov http://thenewstack.io/happens-use-java-1960-ibm-mainframe/
04:56 jurov kek "But the data from the mainframes was actually arriving in less than six milliseconds. The bottleneck was — of course — the Java application."
04:58 deedbot http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/01/23/ordinary-trouble-of-an-euloran-explorer/ << Ossasepia - Ordinary trouble of an Euloran explorer
~ 4 hours 55 minutes ~
09:53 mircea_popescu in idle consideratons today : what are the odds random fat chick calls herself "unalocamas" ; and how do they stack against the odds random crazy chick calls herself "unagordamas"
09:55 BingoBoingo 3?
09:55 mircea_popescu lol
09:56 mircea_popescu (the lulz here, for noobs, is that in classical medicine mental derangement was deemed a major driver of being fat)
~ 29 minutes ~
10:25 BingoBoingo There's a reason why it's the classic explanation
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10:53 mircea_popescu aha.
10:58 asciilifeform in other lulz: https://archive.is/THGQG >> 'Asked whether a missile had mis-fired, she said she was not going to get into "operational details" and would not say whether Mrs May had been told this. Questioned by the BBC's Andrew Marr on Sunday, Prime Minister Theresa May refused four times to say whether she had known about the test firing ahead of the vote. ... "There is a convention that we don't talk about the deterrent... because
10:58 asciilifeform that is the nature of the deterrent - it is about the security of this nation and I would fully support the prime minister in avoiding those questions," he said. A statement issued by Downing Street and the MoD said the capability and effectiveness of Trident was "unquestionable".'
11:00 mircea_popescu lol security of this nation.
11:01 mircea_popescu security from what ? the only enemy is already there ; and the only thing he'd ever do he's already doing, trading the 13yo not-yet-bloomed english roses like goats.
11:01 mircea_popescu exactly what does theresa may imagine she's protecting and from whom ?
11:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: protecting own neck from the noose, as per http://qntra.net/2017/01/the-fourth-reich-grips-berlin
11:03 asciilifeform trident is mandatory per britain's post-1945 role as 'airstrip one'
11:03 mircea_popescu myeah. what the fuck is with stupid people, keep picking deeply inadequate weapons ?
11:03 asciilifeform it isn't intended to ~work~, srsly
11:03 asciilifeform it is part of fellating usg.
11:04 mircea_popescu a nigger called theresa may misusing ancient and dysfunctional "nuclear weapons" is not substantially different from a nigger called antron singleton going from diner table to diner urinal with an antitank rocket launcher in each hand
11:04 mircea_popescu what the fuck are they gonna do with the hardware ?
11:17 asciilifeform strut, parade, for massah, what.
11:17 mircea_popescu i guess.
11:18 mircea_popescu you'd expect middle class middled aged white women are slightly above the nonsense, but i guess it's not the case for theresa may.
11:20 asciilifeform which nonsense. (traditionally) the handlers don't even let near the wheel, anybody who showed symptoms of having so much as latent ability to tell usg to pack it
11:21 asciilifeform and when an orc does -- out he goes. like kaddafi, yanukovych, et al.
11:21 mircea_popescu she really got nothing better to do with her time than dancing for nickels ?
11:25 BingoBoingo Obviously not
11:33 mircea_popescu i guess so huh.
11:34 mircea_popescu place aspires to be an empire, best it can produce is a tacticool newb.
11:34 asciilifeform empire eaten and digested long ago.
11:34 shinohai !~later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/19B0HZY.txt
11:34 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
11:36 shinohai !~later tell adlai we square now?
11:36 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
11:36 BingoBoingo shinohai: ty
11:36 shinohai o7
11:36 shinohai qntra incoming
11:38 shinohai !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/1YaPo/?raw=true
11:38 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
11:41 BingoBoingo shinohai: The peter jokes are good, but the mentioned peter's just aren't people enough.
11:42 BingoBoingo Unless maybe rewritted.
11:42 shinohai hmmm kk
11:43 BingoBoingo Prolly a better way to rewrite it.
11:44 BingoBoingo Also when linking wot'd persons feel free to link to wot.deedbot.org
11:45 shinohai mb
11:53 BingoBoingo Also if nobodies are to be talked about, "Who they think they are" is helpful.
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12:12 BingoBoingo http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=6338
12:23 thestringpuller !~ticker
12:23 jhvh1 thestringpuller: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 919.98, Best ask: 919.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 919.99, 24 hour volume: 10491.57906088, 24 hour low: 910.01, 24 hour high: 928.87, 24 hour vwap: None
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12:47 BingoBoingo In the tabloids http://www.returnofkings.com/113272/man-who-sucker-punched-alt-right-leader-richard-spencer-may-literally-be-a-shit-eating-cuckhold
12:50 trinque chick needs to eat better
12:50 trinque those look dry
12:50 BingoBoingo lol
~ 37 minutes ~
13:27 asciilifeform https://archive.is/W0FIQ << in other lulz. 'Western Union admits to aiding wire fraud, to pay $586 mln'
13:27 asciilifeform 'Western Union Co, the world's biggest money-transfer company, agreed to pay $586 million and admitted to turning a blind eye as criminals used its service for money laundering and fraud, U.S. authorities said on Thursday. Western Union, which has over half a million locations in more than 200 countries, admitted "to aiding and abetting wire fraud" by allowing scammers to process transactions, even when the company realized its agent
13:27 asciilifeform s were helping scammers avoid detection, the U.S. Department of Justice and the Federal Trade Commission said in statements.'
13:28 mircea_popescu gotta pay for them f69s somehow
~ 23 minutes ~
13:52 phf or in the words of monkey dust "Hello, I'm Ivan Dobsky. I'm the Meatsafe Murderer, only I never done it. I only said I'd done so they'd take the jump cables off me testicles."
~ 31 minutes ~
14:23 phf namecheap just lost my domain records. i would not have known about it, if fastmail didn't send me a notification, that mx records have changed..
14:24 phf "sincerely most honestly sorries, due to technical glitch, but all fixed noa!!1"
14:26 trinque the same happened to me; they then reverted me to a quite old version of them.
14:30 phf wtf "Welcome to Namecheap.com. Dear Customer, Thank you very much for signing up with us..."
14:35 mircea_popescu namecheap.com, the world's biggest functiona ux ajax website, agreed to pay $randomnumber and admitted to being unable to safely store data even as idiots fucked around on the lone dnssec-mysql server.
14:35 mircea_popescu or wait, that's from an alt-universe.
14:44 deedbot http://danielpbarron.com/2017/if-it-was-my-daughter/ << Daniel P. Barron - If it was my daughter
~ 17 minutes ~
15:01 thestringpuller namecheap has fallen to the bottom of the barrel. i only stay with them because the cost of migrating the domain is about the same as 3 years of having the domain...
15:02 thestringpuller everyone wants to use the comcast business model of annoying you out of your money
15:13 asciilifeform there is afaik no useful reason to migrate, dnsism is a straight 'strip mine' business model (lure in chumps, then turn scammer and fleece'em) afaik.
15:13 asciilifeform every registrar i know of, has followed this pattern.
15:14 asciilifeform and given as the good being sold is fundamentally chumpatronic, not mega-surprise.
~ 1 hours 33 minutes ~
16:47 asciilifeform !~later tell phf do you know of any public cl implementation where all os-specific liquishit is reasonably compartmentalized ? (it isn't in sbcl, cmucl, or ccl, and did i miss anything..??)
16:47 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
16:55 danielpbarron !!v 78F16E772CDFAA9AD99D087F4E5E4E2CD7F4458CE54CA469D8742979D15EE13A
16:55 deedbot danielpbarron updated rating of juliatourianski_ from 5 to 4 << Absence does not always make the heart grow fonder
16:58 danielpbarron !!v 5C2BBA883543231B1C242C5A8D859B2899C54D534416192AAD2E22CFBDDC6B78
16:58 deedbot danielpbarron updated rating of BingoBoingo from 3 to 2 << Obnoxiously dedicated to republican memes and a promoter of false religions
17:00 danielpbarron !!v 5293AE0C7F3EC843419131EEE4D4829A5B0D2AB307E777368E7559F68BACFA12
17:00 deedbot danielpbarron updated rating of diana_coman from 3 to 4 << Anyway a shrewd negotiator anyway
17:00 ben_vulpes danielpbarron: i'm a bit surprised a segwit stoolie ranks as positive in your book
17:00 ben_vulpes and in other news, trumpreich out of the tpp eh?
17:01 mircea_popescu what is a tpp ?
17:01 ben_vulpes "trans pacific partnership"
17:02 mircea_popescu a. yeah he been making noises about it for 6 mo
17:02 ben_vulpes an american politician following through on campaign noises is astonishing i tell you
17:02 danielpbarron !!v 97CDE502F95CBAC273D486434FB5400BE611BCE2C3F9BD74DF7328C37A7E7952
17:02 deedbot danielpbarron updated rating of pete_dushenski from 3 to 2 << Any pride is too much pride
17:02 mircea_popescu now this is tru
17:03 danielpbarron ben_vulpes, giving benefit of doubt; she's being loyal to her son's father, should just be making the case in here rather than elsewhere
17:04 mircea_popescu danielpbarron you're not seriously talking about bb's aa are you ?
17:04 danielpbarron yes.
17:05 mircea_popescu well ? chicks loyal to her son's father which didn't do much for her yet nevertheless bb shouldn't be allowed to like the club that fixed a problem for him ?
17:05 danielpbarron !!v E9A94DDE6A3B14ED1852BCC7AB86F43BB5AF4AD207C78C7E8ECF08C2B0353A40
17:05 deedbot danielpbarron unrated Gaxaro.
17:05 ben_vulpes segwit is an assault on bitcoin, no two ways about it.
17:06 ben_vulpes by extension, the republic.
17:06 danielpbarron it fixed nothing. while drinking he hated the true God and while sober he hates the true God
17:06 danielpbarron maybe even worse off now that he ~thinks~ he is well
17:07 mircea_popescu this ironically mirrors my impression of segwit.
17:08 danielpbarron she'll end up negative eventually, or maybe try to remedy the situation
17:09 mircea_popescu anyway, i thought aa people were very gingerly careful to not say they're a religion.
17:09 danielpbarron !v D08C935276B078DB9FCD6FCFFC1725FCDFE77A87164F568A73E7F128C59A09AC
17:09 danielpbarron !!v D08C935276B078DB9FCD6FCFFC1725FCDFE77A87164F568A73E7F128C59A09AC
17:09 deedbot danielpbarron unrated bagels7.
17:11 danielpbarron bb and I discussed this in the log already http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-20#1378244
17:11 a111 Logged on 2016-01-20 04:34 danielpbarron: http://www.atruechurch.info/aa.html >> A.A. admits they have no cure, but that's because they are under the delusion that there isn't one.
17:13 danielpbarron !!v E783F13C77B0F80A23DA7357716484EF04FCF8FADD87F6ACBD5FF5DE21FE9F4A
17:13 deedbot danielpbarron unrated bcb.
17:15 danielpbarron !!v F9407466EACD2DF0AB7613A0BB85C42BAB11CC56985173679FEAAF664ED5246F
17:15 deedbot danielpbarron unrated cazalla.
17:17 danielpbarron !!v E6194BF73BDCE6273CCAEED1BB91D315550E87DB7C986B418342770D88FD7224
17:17 deedbot danielpbarron unrated fghj.
17:18 danielpbarron !!v 5170ABCB99A79A5275A0C25C0B5F4CA3D2F2EAAAAEB2A8D79A25A21EA35D1E6C
17:18 deedbot danielpbarron updated rating of ben_vulpes from 1 to 3 << Very friendly helpful and patient
17:20 danielpbarron !!v FF2C824B7253D2A3AE982D34A2C04D1F78A01CF756F67495EA13AEE70F640411
17:20 deedbot danielpbarron updated rating of shinohai from 1 to 2 << Puts in the work
17:21 shinohai why ty danielpbarron
17:22 danielpbarron !!v 51D2B9F25AAC0CC96F61FC023665A31D343DFC408C206172E2F946ABBB6FAD0B
17:22 deedbot danielpbarron updated rating of phf from -1 to 1 << Pays attention
17:22 ben_vulpes patient heh
17:24 danielpbarron !!v B1AE766C409CE01704FBDD068D262C79885D5B22D8C8C020E1BC842A221C75A4
17:24 deedbot danielpbarron updated rating of trinque from 2 to 1 << Quick to anger
17:25 danielpbarron got a lot more unrates but maybe i'll keep those out of the chan as it's mostly just cleaning out names that i haven't seen in years
17:28 trinque !!v 35BE6FD444EDADCA0D04E3D681106E8E31D791197B44DB40CF2D763EEE61E732
17:28 deedbot trinque rated BingoBoingo 1 << Ye shall know them by their memes.
17:30 asciilifeform in other nooze, https://bugs.chromium.org/p/project-zero/issues/detail?id=1096
17:31 asciilifeform ^ arbitrary code execution.
17:31 asciilifeform 'Cisco's WebEx extension (jlhmfgmfgeifomenelglieieghnjghma) has ~20M active users, and is part of Cisco's popular web conferencing software. The extension works on any URL that contains the magic pattern "cwcsf-nativemsg-iframe-43c85c0d-d633-af5e-c056-32dc7efc570b.html", which can be extracted from the extensions manifest. Note that the pattern can occur in an iframe, so there is not necessarily any user-visible indication of what is
17:31 asciilifeform happening, visiting any website would be enough.'
17:32 asciilifeform 'The extension uses nativeMessaging, so this magic string is enough for any website to execute arbitrary code (!!).'
17:34 mircea_popescu ciscos's popular web conferincing software ? sorry ?
17:34 mircea_popescu no fucking way. IF it has 20k users it's a wonder. and those 20k users are indians doing vaguely anal sexthings to each other.
17:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'webex' is pestilentially common in usa.
17:36 asciilifeform ~ubiquitous, among the Professionally Sad.
17:36 mircea_popescu these are unrelated items.
17:36 asciilifeform waiwat
17:37 mircea_popescu there aren'ty 20mn professionally sad, you understand.
17:37 mircea_popescu moreover, they're inactive by definition.
17:44 asciilifeform whatever they are -- they're pwnable, silently and cleanly, for probably quite a while.
17:47 mircea_popescu i'm sure.
~ 1 hours 36 minutes ~
19:24 mats https://huwieler.net/2017/01/18/chelsea-manning-in-basic-combat-training << luls, guy that went to BCT with Manning says he was a little bitch even then
19:25 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-23#1606203 << There is only a daily repreive contingent on improving one's spiritual condition
19:25 a111 Logged on 2017-01-23 22:11 danielpbarron: bb and I discussed this in the log already http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-20#1378244
19:26 mats my time in OSUT was a breeze and mostly an exercise in schadenfreude, its a cake walk unless you're mentally unstable or a fatbody
19:29 mats worst part was not having anything mentally stimulating to do, i had to ask people to send me books in the mail so i could read something besides labels on shampoo bottles and the fucking bible
19:31 mats i went to all of the religious services - even the one for wiccans - to collect reading materials and sleep in the pews
19:31 asciilifeform mats: they give'em time to read bibles?!!
19:32 ben_vulpes mats: how many times have you read the old testament?
19:32 mats asciilifeform: a coupla hours per day were dedicated just to standing around waiting for shit to happen, ie, waiting for the cattle trucks to appear so they could shuttle recruits to the training sites
19:32 danielpbarron oh boy Bible talk :D
19:33 mats ben_vulpes: i grew up in the church, so... i lost count
19:33 asciilifeform mats: sounds like heaven
19:33 asciilifeform mats: you could play chess in your head! etc
19:33 mats its mind numbing, i did actually play chess on paper as a mental exercise for some weeks
19:34 mats e4 e5 ... f3 c6 ... etc. looking back it does feel like i kinda slept through most of it, standing up
19:35 ben_vulpes mats: ah well i can see how it'd be less than riveting then
19:36 mats the best part was watching fatties get yelled at and smoked for being unable to complete exercises
19:39 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-23#1606168 << this will be VERBOTEN HATE SPEECH but amazon's registration and dns record handling is entirely adequate
19:39 a111 Logged on 2017-01-23 20:13 asciilifeform: every registrar i know of, has followed this pattern.
19:39 * danielpbarron uses zoneedit
19:40 danielpbarron used to be a very nice qntra-esque interface but "upgraded" to web2.0 a few years ago.
19:41 shinohai ah interesting danielpbarron
19:41 ben_vulpes aws console is very heavy on the javascript, but light on the ux
19:42 danielpbarron i only have the one domain and it doesn't need changing so I rarely have to actually use the thing
19:42 shinohai !~bible 1 Corinthians 13 4-8
19:42 jhvh1 shinohai: ERROR: Failed to load/parse the verse or page. Check your syntax.
19:43 shinohai !~bible 1 Cor 13 4-8
19:43 jhvh1 shinohai: ERROR: Failed to load/parse the verse or page. Check your syntax.
19:43 shinohai ?
19:43 shinohai f
19:43 danielpbarron you sure you want to print 5 lines?
19:44 ben_vulpes "this is my domain. there are many like it, but this one is mine."
19:44 danielpbarron if you could find a NKJV to put in there, it would keep most things on a single line, but KJV is always 1 verse 1 line
19:44 danielpbarron but anyway it's 1 Cor 13:4-8
19:44 ben_vulpes one man, one verse, one vote, one line
19:44 shinohai !~bible 1 Corinthians 13:8
19:44 jhvh1 shinohai: [KJV] 1 Corinthians 13:8 :: Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
19:45 shinohai thats it i was checking if it banned > 3 lines! :D
19:45 ben_vulpes heh
19:45 danielpbarron shinohai, it didn't. you need a colon between chapter and verse(s)
19:45 ben_vulpes i made people read corinthians at standup for a while
19:46 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-23#1606183 << watch peanut gallery take 360 on tpp, since trump did it
19:46 a111 Logged on 2017-01-23 22:02 ben_vulpes: an american politician following through on campaign noises is astonishing i tell you
19:47 shinohai ty
19:48 shinohai but no, more than 5 lines is reserved for private channels
19:49 ben_vulpes phf: tpp would have saved clitorises and improved livelihoods of innumerable foreign brown people
19:49 ben_vulpes you racist
19:51 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: does it work with non-aws servers?
19:56 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: you can point whatever record at whichever ip
19:56 asciilifeform sooo wat's the catch
19:56 ben_vulpes you have to give jeff bezos money?
19:57 ben_vulpes by my read it's a small side thing they provide to get as much ops cognition to happen through their tooling as possible
19:57 trinque it's not like AWS is *more* usgtronic than namecheap et al
19:58 trinque gonna DNS at all, might as well do it at the most-fed ministry
20:08 mod6 evenin'
20:16 ben_vulpes heya mod6
20:16 phf asciilifeform: i somehow missed that later tell, i thought it was in pm
20:16 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-23#1606170 << no, and i think it's a combination of "scaring" and complexity. takes a lot of effort to build one from scratch. clim's beach actually tried building one, SICL https://github.com/robert-strandh/SICL which is closest to "compartmenalized", but i'm not sure where it is. probably heavy WIP stage. (and reading the ilc slides it seems like it's beach/mcclim style overengineered)
20:16 a111 Logged on 2017-01-23 21:47 asciilifeform: !~later tell phf do you know of any public cl implementation where all os-specific liquishit is reasonably compartmentalized ? (it isn't in sbcl, cmucl, or ccl, and did i miss anything..??)
20:29 asciilifeform i can't really think of any excuse why the 'machine anchor' of common lisp HAS to be any bigger than, e.g., tinyscheme's
20:29 asciilifeform (i.e. the portion not written in 'itself')
20:30 ben_vulpes strandh got his working in llvm in relatively short order
20:30 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: what means 'on llvm'
20:30 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: rather, what does the build chain look like in this example ?
20:31 ben_vulpes step1: buy an apple box
20:32 phf ben_vulpes: you mean clang?
20:32 phf err
20:32 ben_vulpes i
20:32 phf clasp
20:32 ben_vulpes don't know?
20:32 ben_vulpes yse
20:32 ben_vulpes yes*
20:32 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: llvm is mighty heavy, so i'm not sure how this statement disproves mine
20:32 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i don't really know what you're asking. his uses llvm-ir to tie into cpp, it's the ~whole point of it.
20:33 asciilifeform what i am asking is to dispense with the motherfucking cpp.
20:33 ben_vulpes and yes wtf llvm is an iridium brick of apple compiler phd time
20:33 asciilifeform and the horse it rode in on.
20:33 asciilifeform 64kB of asm or fuckoff.
20:33 ben_vulpes you don't want this nice abstraction layer?
20:34 asciilifeform (e.g., Mulisp, is 47kB!)
20:34 ben_vulpes you won't even taste the poop anymore. it's really nice...
~ 15 minutes ~
20:50 phf well, you can probably write an evaluator for lisp core (and host something like sicl on top), but the result is going to be dog slow, at which point you'll have to work out an optimization strategy that's not going to leave scaring. that's a long and careful project, an anathema in open source
20:51 asciilifeform i'll point out that mulisp (47kB) included bignum (again, in asm)
20:51 phf (fwiw last time i checked in with clasp, it was also dog slow, probably a combination of insane technology tower and lack of optimization strategy, that all goes back to original point "writing lisp is hard")
20:53 asciilifeform optimization has to begin with sane evaluator design (e.g. appropriate use of the type bits, integrated numeric tower, cdr-coding)
20:55 phf it's also possible that the development cycle that involves basically no way to twitch (i.e. you're either hacking for 5 hours or gaming for 2 or you're on "trilema bbs" for 30 minutes) has something to do with it ;)
21:03 asciilifeform eh the ancients had distractions of their own.
~ 1 hours 22 minutes ~
22:25 adlai http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606296 << SICL's status makes a lot more sense in-context: "It is intentionally divided into many implementation-independent modules that are written in a totally or near-totally portable way, so as to allow other implementations to incorporate these modules from SICL, rather than having to maintain their own, perhaps implementation-specific versions"
22:25 a111 Logged on 2017-01-24 01:16 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-23#1606170 << no, and i think it's a combination of "scaring" and complexity. takes a lot of effort to build one from scratch. clim's beach actually tried building one, SICL https://github.com/robert-strandh/SICL which is closest to "compartmenalized", but i'm not sure where it is. probably heavy WIP stage. (and reading the ilc slides it seems like it's beach/mcclim style overengineered)
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