#trilema | 2016-12-18

More medicine https://i.sli.mg/GS49R1.jpg

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https://i.sli.mg/eeb8sr.jpg

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00:11

And unrelated https://i.sli.mg/oDlvrr.jpg

~ 49 minutes ~

01:01

asciilifeform i would guess about a few bytes/minute

01:13

actually no, lessee. a try's about seven seconds, and then if something's found that's about another 10. you don't always find something, but if skilled enough you mostly do, so say you gotta make 4 steps a minute. each step calls for a random radian value, which meaningfully is about 9 bits but nevertheless comes as a double which iirc is 64 bits. so you're doing 256 bits ie 4 bytes/minute.

01:18

!~ticker --market all

01:19

jhvh1

BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 788.79, vol: 1448.43334967 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 779.9, vol: 2337.99159 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 790.26, vol: 3405.41226574 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 800.022447, vol: 996699.09300000 | Volume-weighted last average: 799.926260535

01:24

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-18#1585403 << ook that's pretty good. (also kinda what argentina is, but with EVERYTHING.)

01:24

a111

Logged on 2016-12-18 05:09 BingoBoingo: https://i.sli.mg/eeb8sr.jpg

~ 16 minutes ~

01:41

256 bits ie 32 bytes/minute i mean.

~ 6 hours 8 minutes ~

07:49

!!up fromphuctor

07:49

fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes.

07:50

herp.

07:50

"I got voice, better leave without speaking!"

07:50

moar like "wut does dis button do".

07:52

in random lulz, "**UPDATE- 4/10 22:21 EST** I mentioned in this post that it was hacked, that was incorrect of me. The person who created the list simply exploited Fetlifes code to release information."

07:54

this means that next time i provide paginated and nicely indexed access to relational data to a customer, i can call the feature "HACK THE SYSTEM"

07:55

alternatively it should be standard defense of every "hacker" : dude, i didn't hack anything, i simply exploited code to release information

07:55

isn't this quite literally the definition of the term among the illiterate yet contemporaneous monkeys ?

07:57

pretty much, i think.

08:05

it's funny, at least to me, the evolution towards fetisization. coupla decades ago, hacking meant that party a informatizes whatever system, say its satellite network, and party b hacked into the said system through the novel avenue ~and used it~ to i dunno, whatever, make itself a plate of french toast.

08:05

today, hacking means that "o noes, we discovered stratfor was being hired to spy". dude...

08:10

and in other randomness, let there be shed a tear today for the poor wedding photographers. i mean the expensive ones, catering to an "upper class clientele" consisting of women slightly uglier than the average with fathers slightly richer. dear god these poor people, they try. they ~try~.

08:11

so much effort put into making the 30yo gorgons look like 16yo fragaria vesca

~ 15 minutes ~

08:26

http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7A6FF5256A612CB6DCAD35F6ED04C530C490F5B9EF2933292DE02A55B028E507 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1604...5437 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.178.161.81 (ssh-rsa key from 213.178.161.81 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (eth1.lb01.wilhelma.de. DE)

~ 58 minutes ~

09:24

http://www.realworldrisk.com << taleb, apparently

09:25

'Note: Discussions include no equations, but a lot of concepts and pictures'

09:29

poor guy

09:29

to quote, "but my son and my daughter came out of the water and said papa, you promised you'd play!"

09:34

anyway, turn towards fetishization continues. in another decade "hacking" will be collecting software tools which ~could be used~ to explore directorry structures in which commands ~could have been run~

09:34

whereas scholarship will be i dunno, screenshots of "discussions" including no equations but a lot of "concepts" and lolpics. perhaps full of comrpession artefacts ot the point of unreadability.

09:35

and we'll look back on the age of the "idea man" as a great again focus.

~ 15 minutes ~

09:50

eh this happened long ago

09:51

today 'hacking' is this - http://imgur.com/a/4aAPS

09:51

and similar atrocity

09:51

tomorrow it'll be finding ways to sneak word 'retarded' into shithub without being immediately censored...

10:06

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-18#1585403 << reminds me of ocean city, md. just needs some bored eastern european girls looking on, and guys in long shorts sporting hats and white socks with flip flops combination

10:06

a111

Logged on 2016-12-18 05:09 BingoBoingo: https://i.sli.mg/eeb8sr.jpg

10:06

But that look of Envy!

10:07

who the fuck wears socks with actually nevermind who the fuck wears flipflops!

10:10

i'm pretty sure that look is permanent. i've seen it while they negotiate with a shopkeeper, while they cary bags, while they decide where to go, etc.

10:10

where's that great whats her face gif

10:11

Pink bike, she must be trying for the Amy Schumer Barbie look

10:13

https://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kumxxqzg3s1qa09ek.gif << pretty sure i had a higher res version on trilema but too lazy to dig

~ 39 minutes ~

10:52

http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7A6FF5256A612CB6DCAD35F6ED04C530C490F5B9EF2933292DE02A55B028E507 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1402...2319 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.178.161.81 (ssh-rsa key from 213.178.161.81 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (eth1.lb01.wilhelma.de. DE)

11:05

mats

ahaha photo shoot with a raspberry pi

11:11

lol

11:15

lol, that last popped domain

~ 1 hours 58 minutes ~

13:13

mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/7GmA4/?raw=true

13:21

ben_vulpes

asciilifeform: how is 'palaver'?

13:22

asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/wnB2E/?raw=true

13:22

ben_vulpes: it ~works

~ 55 minutes ~

14:18

hanbot

pete_dushenski belatedly it occurs to me the resolution (nearly three years in the making!) of the us courts circus research project (http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/) prolly deserves a spot in your year in review.

~ 1 hours 45 minutes ~

16:03

asciilifeform: curious, by "consless lisp" did you mean basically a Forth with parens? or in other words, sexps of funcs, params, and a stack, and that's about it?

16:04

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trinque over here farting around in amd64 asm, wondering if the above is enough to say done with ASM, time to move up to implementing lisp atop the forthylisp

16:04

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trinque has very little interesting code yet, just a learning project.

16:06

rather, not solely the above, but implementing the lisp primitives in it.

16:16

trinque: a consless lisp is literally just that

16:17

neato

16:17

i.e. exactly like what you have now but without cons (and hence without gc)

16:17

every lisp is at some point in its life 'consless' (if the gc is written, as is proper, in itself; and prior to gc init at warmup)

16:18

you can write a routine in, e.g., ordinary commonlisp, in consless style

16:19

it is nontrivial, but sometimes is done when tightly optimizing by hand

~ 1 hours 6 minutes ~

17:25

http://neveragain.tech/

17:26

!$ getarchive neveragain.tech

17:26

scriba

Previously archived URL: http://archive.is/8EMmi (this was archived by scriba: yes)

17:27

<< "We, the undersigned, are employees of tech organizations and companies based in the United States. [...] We refuse to build a database of people based on their Constitutionally-protected religious beliefs. We refuse to facilitate mass deportations of people the government believes to be undesirable. "

17:31

!!up chatter

17:31

chatter voiced for 30 minutes.

17:31

chatter

allah is doing

17:31

chatter

sun is not doing allah is doing

17:31

^ (not saying it's not a lost cause while working for one of those "tech" "leader" companies, in the way that applying adhesive to a bursting pipe is not fixing a water problem)

17:31

chatter

to accept islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except allah and muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger

17:32

oh yeah, i've seen quite a bit of this on various tor irc channels

17:32

Well sorry I did that

17:32

you never know what god may bring upon you

17:32

There is but one god, and Muhammad is his faggot

17:39

oh, some kind of community outreach going on?

17:44

#9 Dogecoin. 0 commits xD https://bitstats.com/commits

17:44

hm, i guess so. seems to be the case. apparently it's a US tech company employee thingie (with some springs of PR by the companies)

17:50

hmm if chatter wasn't just randomly spewing scripture it would be mildly entertaining if we had two competing fundamentalists with matching knowledge of their respective books

17:52

indeed, that's be pretty interesting. (chatter came from leaseweb, so unfortunately prolly just a bot. but a polite-enough bot.)

17:54

that'd*

~ 38 minutes ~

18:33

Framedragger if they weren't dipshits it might even matter.

18:41

and in other "socpsy" newz, http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0956797616673193 << "When given two scenarios: one in which an individual reacts to his girlfriend’s infidelity by beating her, and the other, by beating her cat, participants judged that the cat beater had worse moral character than the woman beater, even though the act of beating a woman was judged to be more immoral."

18:43

there's no immorality involved in this for the love of all that's holy.

18:43

ethics != morals wtf is wrong with these idiots.

18:44

nobody actually knows what anything is, do they. not anymore. just word word word word word noun verb adjective numeral whatever the fuck no meaning whatsoever to be found anywhere ; complete and total anomie.

18:44

o holy shit

18:45

anomie is NOT "a condition in which society provides little moral guidance to individuals". for one thing, because it's not a ~condition~, it's a situation. no, these aren't the same thing. for tyhe other, becaue individuals provide guidance for society, not the other fucking way around. the "individuals who are guided by society are called children.

18:45

anomie is the collapse of names into meaninglessness.

18:47

one day i fear of mircea_popescu going into recursive loop by being outraged by wikipedia definitions, using other terms to show his point, and then finding those terms to also be ill-defined on wikipedia. :)

18:47

anomie, nice word, hm.

18:47

/me bids goodnight

18:48

nn

18:54

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BingoBoingo thinks that happened at least once already

18:55

anyway ; the cat situation evaluates to worse quite explainably, because if woman misbehaves and woman is beaten then 1 norm is breached ; whereas if woman misbehaves and cat is beaten then 2 norms are breached. the way reptile brain works, the sum of two variables is larger than either one no matter what happens ; and larger by a fraction of the largest of the two, not by the smaller of the two.

18:56

in this special math, 100+1 = 110 not 101

18:56

hence the whole http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580321

18:56

a111

Logged on 2016-12-09 12:51 mircea_popescu: also the enslavement of the general population, murder, rape, arson and jaywalking.

18:57

but hey, idiocy doesn't hurt ; if it did wikipedia'd be larger than silk road.

18:57

BingoBoingo im pretty sure it happened already yeah.

19:00

Tale prolly on Trilema

~ 1 hours 57 minutes ~

20:57

""Polaris" system from MIT's Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Lab accelerates website load-time (34 percent faster!!1) by decreasing network trips." great new advacements from the famous CSAIL

~ 21 minutes ~

21:19

mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/41eWh/?raw=true

~ 29 minutes ~

21:48

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asciilifeform sent 1st crate of FUCKGOATS on its way.

21:55

congrats asciilifeform

21:55

& mircea_popescu

21:59

asciilifeform's pet creature also contributed !

22:01

Tell her ty

22:01

yeah srsly. ty

22:01

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BingoBoingo needs to get a pet he can stand for more than a month at a time.

22:07

oglafbot

http://oglaf.com/heats/

22:10

haha

22:18

phf hey, at least unlike the 15-20 years of "ai research", this ~actually does something~.

22:19

as much as we might like the (self-unaware) lords involved, it can't be seriously argued that mit actually did much in cs.

22:21

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/12/16/stony-brook-philosophy-phd-says-his-department-plans-review-amid-claims-hes-neo-nazi

22:22

BingoBoingo the solution traditionally involves starvation & leather belts.

22:36

achtung, panzers!!

22:36

http://nosuchlabs.com/hardware.html has been updated!

22:38

mircea_popescu: csail (mit ai lab then) published "ai memos" from 1959 to sometime in early 2000s where they described a lot of "firsts" in computing in general. scheme spec was published by sussman and steele, lisp 1.5 compiler (first "self-hosting"), lisp machine architecture, etc. most papers are not so much ai as computing in general.

22:40

1958-78 or so, mit was one of the 2 or 3 worthwhile things happening in computing per se.

22:40

(and i'm not even certain whether to count bell labs)

22:40

i think "ai research" is a mislabel, because the promise of ai was used to keep the funding going, and there is a lot of failed hacks on the subject, but the bulk of actual work was more about how to do computers

22:40

aha, it was bait.

22:44

i'm pretty sure that ai memos are enough to rebuild computing from scratch. has architectural descriptions, cpu design, fabrication, language designs, text editors ("emacs" before it was taken over by rms is described in one of the ai-memos, both as a standalone thing and as set of TECO marcos), various algorithms

22:44

not only computing, but the ~actual~ computing, not the new jersey garbage.

22:53

unix also had a lot more of an organic decentralized approach, beyond mans i don't think anybody actual read anything on the subject of unix (a few key books, like k&r or steven's on tcpip). pretty sure people would just grab the source and learn by exploration

22:54

it was and remains a fungus.

22:57

i think it's great if you only use twm/x11 to spawn a couple of xterms, so you can run your mathematica and write your Fortran simulation code. sort of a Dijkstra lisp machine, when exploratory interactivity is not the main goal. building this whole infrastructure on it was a folly

22:58

"One spark for Jorjanis missive was a short post on Leiter Reports, a popular philosophy blog, called Ph.D. in Philosophy From SUNY Stony Brook Is Also a Neo-Nazi. The blogs editor, Brian Leiter, Karl N. Llewellyn Professor of Jurisprudence at the University of Chicago, noted that Jorjani spoke at a recent meeting of the National Policy Institute led by white nationalist Richard Spencer. The meeting included a Hail Trump

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22:58

moment, and the organization describes itself as committed to defending "the heritage, identity and future of people of European descent in the United States, and around the world."" << Brian Leiter is a notorious aspie

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