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01:06 thestringpuller i'm testing trb54 and I get this from V:
01:06 thestringpuller File: trb54/bitcoin/.gitignore
01:06 thestringpuller Expected: 9a57fba56bdaf8ac851e2a336013f03f354005dee6f12f6d472882b284dd5cdae09d0f57729d877c0cf7dfee0f8bea8b602492860ae703f3f5934de15c7514ae
01:07 thestringpuller nvm got it
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02:36 thestringpuller trinque: you were right about the ssd. man i should have done this earlier...
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06:23 mircea_popescu in other news apparently i'm entj now.
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07:53 shinohai https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/784653709875687424 <<< hard fork cafe lmao
07:55 mircea_popescu what was the thing in 1984, shattered dreams cafe ?
07:57 shinohai lol
07:58 shinohai Been so long since I read that book
08:06 shinohai Ah here it is "Winston, now free, sits at the Chestnut Tree Café, where dismissed Party members go to drink."
08:12 mircea_popescu aha
08:14 shinohai s/Winston/Gavin Andresen/
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08:41 mircea_popescu in other lulz : curl never links openssl static libs.
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09:55 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo wait, is a juggalo a dude who got breast implants but is otherwise not making any efforts to feminize, on the contrary enjoying the "butch leather dude with boobs" look ?
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10:42 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Nah, juggalos dress like clowns
10:43 mircea_popescu ah
10:44 BingoBoingo The creepy clown meme clogging the us media atm is really just hate speech and conditioning for anti juggalo pogroms
10:48 mircea_popescu oic
10:50 BingoBoingo Depending on the mood today it'll be in roundup xtend or spin off into its own thing.
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11:42 thestringpuller Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers
11:42 thestringpuller http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/10/06/yahoo-ceo-marissa-mayer-led-illegal-purge-of-male-employees-lawsuit-charges/
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13:28 lobbes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-08#1553993 << bwahaha. For the zoologists in the audience, usian juggalos are a lulzy study. Known to spray each other down with 'Faygo' at dirty, outside music gatherings
13:28 a111 Logged on 2016-10-08 03:57 BingoBoingo: Nah, those are just juggalos
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14:27 ben_vulpes thestringpuller: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546229
14:27 a111 Logged on 2016-09-21 03:09 asciilifeform: the other thing about rms and his response - the 'sex harassment' racket has been a thing in usa for long enough that a well-developed body of kabuki ritual now exists; where, if an org can demonstrate that said kabuki were religiously followed, its liability is in practice limited to something survivable
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15:01 mircea_popescu amusingly enough, yahoo has been forever a sort of ibm ("company" in name only, without product, market, economic relevancy etc ; supported entirely out of the governmental manger dedicated to supporting faux "business")
15:02 mircea_popescu that it's used for exactly the sort of ritualized, cargo cultish bullshit a la "purge males!11 womenz can be suit people too!!1" is far from surprising. what the fuck else would it do
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16:33 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/10/not-quite-news-roundup-xtend-9-tmr/ << Qntra - Not Quite News Roundup Xtend 9 (TM)(R)
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18:12 mircea_popescu gotta commend ben_vulpes for his paste tolerance to large sizes!
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18:39 mod6 threw in a big one 'eh?
18:47 mod6 !%pp
18:47 tb0t Projects: UCI | t | trb | v
18:47 mod6 hmm. so, in the test channel, everything is working as it should; will keep an eye on it.
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19:12 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/10/fractured-gop-experiences-coup-attempt/ << Qntra - Fractured GOP Experiences Coup Attempt
19:12 BingoBoingo ^ Rapidly developing situation
19:13 BingoBoingo GOP death knell bell rings again
19:13 shinohai I was just reading about Codoleecha calling for him to drop out
19:13 thestringpuller lolol!
19:13 thestringpuller yea it's all over the news
19:14 trinque BingoBoingo: s/excepts/excerpts/
19:14 BingoBoingo ty fxd
19:15 BingoBoingo thestringpuller: The wrong reason is on that news.
19:17 BingoBoingo Pence is polling well, and the rats smelled an opportunity to try to blow up the party in a way that might let them land back on top the rubble heap
19:22 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2016/10/fractured-gop-experiences-coup-attempt/ << updated
19:22 mircea_popescu mod6 yeah like mb
19:22 BingoBoingo WAPO decalred victory in their war on trump
19:23 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo this is pretty insane. really ?!
19:23 * BingoBoingo wonders how much cocaine went into planning this snow job
19:23 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Reality distortion field is strong
19:24 BingoBoingo Situation is set to rapidly flip the other way just as quickly making these Elliots look like idiots.
19:25 mircea_popescu pretty lulzy though.
19:25 mircea_popescu still, if he doesn't convict the whole socialistard establishment to public whippings and dying in work camps, he'd have won in vain.
19:26 BingoBoingo "Donald Trump is never going to be the president of the United States. As we sit and digest each successive leak of damaging material, each un-endorsement, each Trump threat to attack Hillary Clinton in the most personal terms imaginable, the fact remains that Trump has almost surely destroyed his chance of ever becoming the most powerful man on Earth. The discussion will now slowly shift to Republican hopes of shoring up down-ballot rac
19:26 BingoBoingo es and (just wait) the creation of Trump TV. But we cannot and should not forget: A couple days ago it was still fathomable that America could have voted into office the biggest threat to the country in decades." << An urban practitioner of pete's religion who enjoys marijuana
19:26 BingoBoingo Eh, Trump is part of the socialist establishment.
19:26 mircea_popescu aaaanyway. delicious butt tears.
19:27 mircea_popescu "Donald Trump Could Have Been President. Let’s never forget what a terrifying thing we almost did. By Isaac Chotiner" << lulz.
19:28 mircea_popescu https://archive.is/nkdoi/2172debcec1f89d9236786c48af308c961e0e904.png << the 5 dollar "editor" in question
19:28 BingoBoingo Same outlet published this shoop predicting what tomorrow's debate will look like https://archive.is/4wxII
19:29 mircea_popescu so they're going to you know, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-04#1514544 except with their own candidate ?
19:29 a111 Logged on 2016-08-04 15:12 asciilifeform: (flycheck was LITERALLY the 'we shall build an alt-country out of stooges and call it your country)
19:30 BingoBoingo Well I thik their intention is hope Trump's vice presidential candidate is cool with the coup
19:31 mircea_popescu the little shitheads, ever the dissension seeders eh.
19:32 BingoBoingo Kinda their MO, a-norco tyrany and all that
19:32 BingoBoingo !~google norco
19:32 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Norco Uses, Dosage & Side Effects - Drugs.com: <https://www.drugs.com/norco.html>; Norco Bicycles: <http://www.norco.com/>; Norco oral : Uses, Side Effects, Interactions, Pictures, Warnings ...: <http://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-63/norco-oral/details>
19:32 mircea_popescu "The leak of Trump’s disgusting remarks on Friday, although putting a near end to his chances," |<< <ahahahahaha.
19:32 mircea_popescu the dicklet seriously believes ANYONE gives a flying fuck ?
19:33 mircea_popescu seriously, somebody somewhere who currently is going to vote for trump is going to... change his mind ?
19:33 BingoBoingo Anyway this much smug is seriously bearish for Clitler
19:33 mircea_popescu let alone anything else, just this much. is going to change his mind ? really ? hurr.
19:33 mircea_popescu and is going to change his mind because... trump... said things about women ?
19:33 mircea_popescu gawd almighty.
19:33 BingoBoingo for srs
19:34 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo she never had a chance ever since she dared cross the republic.
19:34 BingoBoingo Well tomorrow night she has a chance the Donald will grab her pussy onstage to break the ice.
19:34 deedbot http://trilema.com/2016/ideological-history-of-the-republic/ << Trilema - Ideological History of the Republic
19:34 BingoBoingo Anyways the GOP is set to be estranged from its voter base like never before
19:34 mircea_popescu ^ plox to review.
19:39 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo basically they decided that they won't wait for him to destructure them and replace them with his own people ; but commit suicide of their own volition aforehand. gop's seneca moment.
19:39 mircea_popescu "One the upside for mimblewimble it is sufficiently removed from value, actual implementation, and deployment to substantially reduce the likelihood of news happening to it any time in the near future." << word.
19:40 mircea_popescu esltards belong entirely in the abstract world of reddit.
19:43 mircea_popescu in other news apparently ben_vulpes can't get pingbacks
19:51 BingoBoingo brb
20:03 shinohai "Really, Ubuntu legitimately contains enough stuff to cover many hundreds of walls with shelves ? " <<< couldn't agree more
20:04 mod6 mircea_popescu: Reading through 'http://trilema.com/2016/ideological-history-of-the-republic/', thanks for putting this together and your comments around freezing linux distros.
20:04 mod6 i will denote that item 13 of the Ideological History of the Republic's second link is missing an 'h' in front of 'ttp..' link.
20:08 * asciilifeform catches up on mega-l0g.
20:08 mod6 <+shinohai> "Really, Ubuntu legitimately contains enough stuff to cover many hundreds of walls with shelves ? " <<< couldn't agree more << indeed.
20:10 shinohai I hadn't installed Ubuntu in forever until I started testing this stuff. It's maddening what a resource hog it is.
20:10 mod6 oh yeah. it's a wasteland.
20:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/ideological-history-of-the-republic/#comment-119400 .
20:14 mod6 mircea_popescu: in the context of an ideological history, I have nothing further to add. I'll denote that the recent progress of freezing trb's 3rd party deps, starting in the end of July, is signifigant, however covered by item #10 imho.
20:15 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: it'll eat up to 4mb, lmk if you need more
20:17 ben_vulpes aaand i have nfi what the story is with pingbacks
20:19 asciilifeform aaaaand i see the lizards already rolled out the legitimization story for a diebolding of ol' mr t.
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20:41 thestringpuller asciilifeform: how would i use shiva to hook into the trb wallet functions?
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20:41 thestringpuller and key functions?
20:41 trinque so, phf was the second after asciilifeform to have a key expire. we should probably discuss how this should be handled going forward.
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20:41 trinque in alf's case I did --recv-key on same fingerprint when it happened, so same was done with phf's key
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20:42 trinque my perspective is that the field is promisetronic in exactly the same manner as nlocktime
20:42 trinque I don't see that it means a thing; control of private key is control of private key
20:44 ben_vulpes fingerprint collisions can be purchased.
20:45 ben_vulpes wouldn't one want to actually verify the key components and not just that sks coughed something up for a given fp?
20:45 trinque I have both keys here.
20:46 trinque ben_vulpes: given that, how do I know I got the right key the *first* time.
20:46 trinque somebody put a fingerprint in someplace and then I asked hitler for it
20:46 asciilifeform trinque: that'd be one of the few practical uses of meatspace conference.
20:47 ben_vulpes ideally !!register <key-url>
20:47 trinque then that gets mitm
20:47 ben_vulpes sure enough.
20:48 ben_vulpes user comes back around pretty quickly with a 'wtf' tho.
20:48 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-09#1554091 << you would have to begin by putting shiva back in... it isn't in the mainline trb (on account of questionable usefulness)
20:48 a111 Logged on 2016-10-09 00:41 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: how would i use shiva to hook into the trb wallet functions?
20:49 asciilifeform (and relatively large qty of gnarly and yet-unreviewed code)
20:49 ben_vulpes trinque: i say don't handle it, expiration is a ridiculous booby trap in gpg and updating is all sorts of fraught.
20:53 trinque I have to run for a bit; I put the matter of how to handle this circumstance before the Lords.
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22:00 mircea_popescu mod6 a ty.
22:00 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-09#1554094 << Just Say No to sks, folx.
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22:00 a111 Logged on 2016-10-09 00:41 trinque: in alf's case I did --recv-key on same fingerprint when it happened, so same was done with phf's key
22:00 asciilifeform stop using --get-key-from-usg.
22:01 asciilifeform yesterday.
22:03 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes so far was amply sufficient, very nice.
22:06 mircea_popescu trinque you know you got the "right" key the first time because the guy registered it ~prior~ to being anyone.
22:06 mircea_popescu anyway ; expiring keys are a major fucking problem. i have personally no qualms whatsoever with simply depersoning anyone whose key expires.
22:07 mircea_popescu "my key expired" === "i published my privkey"
22:09 asciilifeform unupdateable keys are also problem.
22:09 mircea_popescu not retroactively, of course, but hey - you want to expire your key, just fucking change it. BEFORE it "expires".
22:09 asciilifeform noshit.
22:09 asciilifeform 'take off pants ~before~ sitting on shitter, not after'
22:09 mircea_popescu course i dunno if we even have support for this in deedbot
22:11 mircea_popescu even the notion of "expire" as implemented in gpg.koch is nonsense. should be replaced with "disused", as in, "i took it out of deedbot and am not using it anymore"
22:11 asciilifeform imho there is even merit in a scheme like lamport's, where the key has to be replaced ~every time it is used.~ seems like nuttery, until you consider that it cannot be ruled out that rsa (and every other numbertheoretical method) signatures slowly leak the privkey.
22:12 mircea_popescu i guess i should add this to my rsa key length article.
22:12 asciilifeform aha
22:12 mircea_popescu asciilifeform rewmind me, how did i get pubkeys from phuctor ?
22:13 asciilifeform let's take example:
22:13 mircea_popescu Known Moduli: 4391213 Moduli with Obvious Brain-Damage: 460906 ie more than 10% ffs.
22:13 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3FD8822B236A7D809CB7D94A9B5E7DF08251829E6DCB988208AD8D3A768CAB9B << me.
22:13 asciilifeform then there is a button at the bottom.
22:14 asciilifeform gets you the .asc.
22:14 asciilifeform or --- http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgfp/17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7 << using the longfp.
22:14 asciilifeform these are the only 2 knobs it's got.
22:15 mircea_popescu !!register http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/download/876B66A5F4BB61D4B8BDCDB4F88B565D213C3A3D906FA1656E9E1F841AA2D0E9?
22:15 deedbot mircea_popescu is already registered.
22:15 mircea_popescu ha.
22:15 asciilifeform see, worx
22:15 mircea_popescu mebbe
22:15 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-09#1554113 << right, I am of the mind to make two changes going forward, as this was not stated explicitly before.
22:15 a111 Logged on 2016-10-09 02:00 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-09#1554094 << Just Say No to sks, folx.
22:15 asciilifeform (or does it?)
22:15 mircea_popescu trinque so ideally i'm thinking !!register should just keep on working, except if it's already register it should produce challenge to old sig
22:15 trinque one, remove --recv-key entirely from deedbot; two, anyone whose key expires is a dead nick
22:16 trinque mircea_popescu: yep I like that
22:16 mircea_popescu and yes, once key expires the responsible party is fucked.
22:17 mircea_popescu re recv-key, i dunno that you HAVE TO take it out ; but i'm certainly not against removing it.
22:17 asciilifeform did we ever have a case of key-expired-and-no-new-key-issued-prior ?
22:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you and phf.
22:17 asciilifeform nope
22:17 asciilifeform not me.
22:17 asciilifeform i -- issued.
22:17 mircea_popescu not afadk.
22:18 trinque asciilifeform: I thought I had not pulled your new key until after the old one's expiry, but I could be mistaken.
22:19 trinque but at any rate, "I published to sks before old expired" is also broken.
22:19 asciilifeform now i cannot force people to pull the reissued key in timely way.
22:19 trinque right
22:19 trinque mircea_popescu's change to !!register solves it
22:19 asciilifeform i still get 'wtf' from people who download the original v
22:19 asciilifeform with old key (differs only in date field, i've been using the same modulus for years)
22:20 mircea_popescu trinque also possibly force any !!register to an existing name to happen in the chan only, no pms
22:27 trinque makes sense.
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22:54 mircea_popescu in other lulz, firefox 20.0 crashes about once a week ; firefox 43 crashes about once an hour.
22:55 mircea_popescu but it improved somewhat wrt to improving the restoration-of-session thing, which i guess indicates they're well aware.
23:07 BingoBoingo !~bcstats
23:07 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 433548 | Current Difficulty: 2.5852274840451544E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 435455 | Next Difficulty In: 1907 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 13 hours, 22 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
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23:51 * asciilifeform setting out traveling, will have sporadic connectivity.
23:59 asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyJN3R_TbcY << will leave this here.
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