#trilema | 2016-09-21

oh, i guess it's just requoting links from inside a111's quotes..

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Framedragger: my bad

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asciilifeform you're still captive in this "usg is rational" nonsense. it isn't.

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it will surrender specifically because will be made into latrine pig.

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ben_vulpes wait what ?

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mircea_popescu: watched linked vid?

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oh it's a video. no, just saw a pic.

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ben_vulpes: oh man, I watched that 3 times so far

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there's this great arc from "oh gosh it's so hot let's flap our hands in faux dism--OH MY GOD"

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plus the drooling and then is that an oxygen line there?

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doesn't know her litany against fear

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clearly not a person

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"examinees will keep hands and legs inside the gob jabbar at all times during the experience. thank you, and enjoy the ride!"

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oh, the head turn and perk-out-my tits the brunette clearly practiced for the vid makes her wretching so much sweeter

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yeah that one gets a real mouthful

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in other applulz : litify! https://mathbabe.org/2016/09/13/more-creepy-models-2/

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'the stain becomes a warning!11111'

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546282 << i have nfi what is this. do i have to plug the speakerx in!?

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Logged on 2016-09-21 04:54 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: watched linked vid?

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I mean, do you enjoy crying?

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it's better with the crying

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it's some sort of javascript gnarl ; failed to work on first pass and i'm not debugging it. whatever, two girls next door doing whatever.

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mircea_popescu: wants his three minutes back!

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https://instagram.fhou1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/t50.2886-16/14188096_598899926957343_94066372_n.mp4

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snoar

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why ty trinque

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ahahaha. "it took moses 40 years to lead the hebrews through the desert to the only place in the middle east that has no oil"

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~golda meir

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meanwhile in school, http://66.media.tumblr.com/c60d6f7acac4d5e3414a4bbde64a6335/tumblr_neenet174k1u28xrlo1_1280.jpg

~ 1 hours ~

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-19#1545169 << turns out, i'm entirely wrong and previous block hashes in each block are encoded in big endian.

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Logged on 2016-09-19 17:44 ben_vulpes: i doubt it, as everything so far is little-endian, and only by convention reversed by early block explorers to show the zeros first or who the fuck knows i've never found a sensible explanation for reversing block hashes (and only block hashes!)

~ 2 hours 41 minutes ~

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mod6: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/w8wey/?raw=true

~ 3 hours 28 minutes ~

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http://fexpr.blogspot.com.ar/2016/01/schools-of-artlanging.html << the perisocial behaviours of beta males, rejected as they are from human society, stubbornly decided as they are to NOT address their actual faults is utterly staggering. the creation and maintenance of "tulpas" ie imaginary friends, of which "artlangs" is very strictly a subset, much like toy collecting (warhammer, magic the gathering, etc) also is ; elaborat

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ely neurotic self inspection, of which "transgenderism" of the alice/leah flavour is very strictly a subset, not to mention plainer nonsense of the kind displayed by eg. richard kulisz (see http://trilema.com/2016/full-loper-os-blogroll-review/#selection-847.0-851.1) or for that matter "lesswrong". between psychotic and neurotic, the beta boi is forever floating on this sea of delusional "you are special and perfect the way y

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ou are", forever trying to change anything and everything except what'd actually help : his dumb fucking self. that's "sacred" in "humanism"!

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of all the doomed-culture-collapsing dioramas i personally witnessed, this is readily the most amusing.

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this then is also the fundamental ideological difference between republic ("we'll kill you if you continue in this manner - and we don't care how many losers just like you have to die") vs empire ("no child left behind! no matter the cost this imposes on the normal children!").

~ 41 minutes ~

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(ahh. to grind some coffee beans, make self some coffee, and open #trilema irc buffer to find nice rant by mp at the end. the small joys of life!)

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546309 << next we'll learn what, that makers of ships in bottles are also untermenschen ?

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Logged on 2016-09-21 12:26 mircea_popescu: http://fexpr.blogspot.com.ar/2016/01/schools-of-artlanging.html << the perisocial behaviours of beta males, rejected as they are from human society, stubbornly decided as they are to NOT address their actual faults is utterly staggering. the creation and maintenance of "tulpas" ie imaginary friends, of which "artlangs" is very strictly a subset, much like toy collecting (warhammer, magic the gathering, etc) also is ; elaborat

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how about old women who make doll houses

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afaik 'conlanging' is a harmless hobby, and not an publicly rancid leprosy, like alicing.

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you won't find conlangers attempting to speak klingon to strangers on the street, nor to force elvish into school curriculum. afaik.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546310 << rk is a very special d00d, used to write me letters of 100+kB nearly-incomprehensible ???. lives in canada, on an insanity pension, in some garret.

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Logged on 2016-09-21 12:26 mircea_popescu: ely neurotic self inspection, of which "transgenderism" of the alice/leah flavour is very strictly a subset, not to mention plainer nonsense of the kind displayed by eg. richard kulisz (see http://trilema.com/2016/full-loper-os-blogroll-review/#selection-847.0-851.1) or for that matter "lesswrong". between psychotic and neurotic, the beta boi is forever floating on this sea of delusional "you are special and perfect the way y

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http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160921/#109 << znc puts shitty non-utf-but-should-be-utf chars in logs, bot trips over them and can't ignore them. that is also (cc mircea_popescu) the reason why it keeps saying it's the same char at same position: even if you just read() the whole file into buffer, it's gonna fail (at the same place). obviously this is unsustainable, i.e. i won't put up with this.

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Logged on 2016-09-21: [03:01:32] <asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546187 << and Framedragger what's this

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( not schizo-flavoured insanity, but the other kind )

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Framedragger: i have a similar problem in phuctor, it is a pythonism for which i know no workaround

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the language must die

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http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160921/#167 << yeah, and i'm still unsure if it should not do this. i like it as it provides more context, but it's not.. standardized; it's rather ad-hoc; probably better to turn that off in scriba, and add facility for it to cite multiline passages via privmsg.

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Logged on 2016-09-21: [04:44:39] <phf> oh, i guess it's just requoting links from inside a111's quotes..

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asciilifeform: yeah. pythonism it is.

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https://archive.is/nEUYT << in other noose

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http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#687 << agree, will turn off. it was useful but it logs everything locally anyway..

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Something went wrong while attempting to read the log.

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Exception: ['utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0x93 in position 295: invalid start byte]

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'I got a reply from Lenovo on my Best Buy review about why the BIOS on my Yoga 900 ISK2 UltraBook has been set to stop people from using Linux. This system has a Signature Edition of Windows 10 Home installed. It is locked per our agreement with Microsoft. ... The Lenovo employee posted about locking the thread. Basically, he called me disruptive and then said that if they had to, they would turn on pre-approval so that nobody can co

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mment anywhere on their support forum until they've read it and have made sure it won't embarrass them.'

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irony

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'the SSD is locked in a proprietary RAID mode that Linux doesn't understand.'

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asciilifeform: yeah i saw that; they deleted one thread and locked the other, it seems. which is lol.

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this in re 'china resists microshit any day now' threads.

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china sucks the longest segment of microshit cock anyone has yet managed to swallow to date.

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not merely from this one turd, but from the pile of undocumented and winblows-only hardware that if stacked would reach to pluto.

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this mythical planet, where the 'third world' represents some sort of escape, i would like to move there.

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because the one i live one is a bit different. the orcs compete to swallow max saheeb cock, while feigning 'rebellion.'

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the fundamental issue re hardware - and we had this thread at least twice - is that manufacture of semiconductor is desperately -ev in small quantities, and so the mass-market luser - and his herder - is king.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546311 << humans, barring massive and normally -ev external intervention, do not 'change selves'. mircea_popescu knows this.

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Logged on 2016-09-21 12:26 mircea_popescu: ou are", forever trying to change anything and everything except what'd actually help : his dumb fucking self. that's "sacred" in "humanism"!

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nor do they generally see any reason to.

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http://lists.openwall.net/full-disclosure/2014/08/28/1 << more in re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546274

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Logged on 2016-09-21 03:40 asciilifeform: http://www.aerohive.com << 'At Aerohive, we believe that every Access Point is a starting point.'

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quite the circus.

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lol Framedragger bout same here! ground coffee etc.

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lel mine is being ground as we speak

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asciilifeform it's not the activity ; it's the activiter. you can have great rapist, ie gengis ; you can have soddy alley scum, ie lavernty beria. many polish lenses, for every spinoza there's untold leahs.

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i have seen the lenses of the leahs though. they are unremarkable and unusable.

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defective people turn all they touch, to shit, nyooz at 11, etc.

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quite. this is the important thing here : hanging out with the "cool kids" doth not make one a cool kid. it's not infectious, some sort of rubeola, that "all" can in principle catch, excepting genetic weird.

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in any case i'm not saying "you alf, do not do what you want to do because stupid people also do it". i'm saying "you stupid guy, going through the motion of alf as you perceive them doth not make you alf."

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i have nfi who ever supposed that it was?

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ie, "there;s no formal approach to life", also news at 11.

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formula for salvation!1111

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or how did it go

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it's really in no sense a new anything ; just restatement of the exact same ancient ideas at the fundament of the republic.

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see also the thread re 'tolkien vs the tolkienists'

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asciilifeform also where's that "shannonized mp" thread

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aha, same idea.

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or the one where farmer hangs out with chickens but never learns to lay egg.

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so... myeah.

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in other 'news', winblows 10 displays a screen-filling 'WE ARE HAPPY YOU'RE HERE' on install. if i ever drive a gasenwagen, i would like these words to be printed inside, for the 'clients' to read.

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which is the nature and inner core of elitism. A can do whatever he pleases ; B must do whatever he can. guy slaps butt on street, girl turns and coos ; other guy sort-of-asks-girl-out-with-apology-included, girl looks at him like she never saw talking geese before, guy stumbles to his exit stage left. guy is in heaven other guy is in hell, his life is so unfair etc.

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asciilifeform lol but why

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why which

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the gasenwagen

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mine will just contain centerfolds of old playboys, 1970s, rolling stone magazines, that sorta thing.

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for, e.g., perpetrators of microshit.

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anti vietnam war songs. plus a lifesize poster of randy from south park going "oh... we can say one thing and do another! you can be america's muscle i'll be its caring soul!"

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asciilifeform nostalgic, and wasn't even there

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the memorabiliamobile.

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folks will line up to be gassed in that one.

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ikr?

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give them a fatal dose of ricin or w/e + a scale model of uss cole.

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complete with hole!

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well there's a hole in everything.

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http://www.cargolaw.com/images/Disaster2000.Cole.14.GIF << y'know, uss cole

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yes dude, i know. i said it!

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for n00bz

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amusingly, back then the designs were terrible but still marginally operable.

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do that to a "littoral combatshit", it's gone.

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would prolly snap in two.

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they'll take it home in one of those 1m puzzle boxes.

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http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160921/#235 << people don't normally belong outside of the cow pen, either.

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Logged on 2016-09-21: [13:35:47] <asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546311 << humans, barring massive and normally -ev external intervention, do not 'change selves'. mircea_popescu knows this.

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> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 04:51:20 +0000

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> These vulnerabilities have been disclosed to the vendor on or before the 24th of April 2014.

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i'm sorry, this nonsense does not satisfy my criteria for "full disclosure".

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this is evil disclosure.

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pro tip : giving the perpetrator of crime early warning is criminal. you notify the vendor MONTHS AFTER release. not at the same time as release. not fucking BEFORE release.

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a minimum of one month after releasing, you notify the vendor.

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http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160919/#90 << see also.

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Logged on 2016-09-19: [15:34:12] <asciilifeform> in other lulz, 'In the last two weeks many security professionals have praised Apple for reacting lightning fast to the PEGASUS threat that has been actively exploited in the wild. This praise was given because the parties involved kept samples from independent 3rd party researchers and did not reveal any detailed information about the kernel

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vulnerabilities involved to the public. Without this information the public simply assumed t

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also you don't recommend upgrading. NOT EVER.

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you recommend never ever using anything made by the PEOPLE INVOLVED. no matter in what capacity involved. not the fucking dba "vendor" symbol either.

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attaches to people ; sinks their career. even if they were "not involved". they were involved.

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about as practical as 'sinking the career' of the pigeon who shat on my car around sunrise.

~ 21 minutes ~

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dude...

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you'll end up in a bath tub i'm telling you.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546322 << this behavior has nothing to do with znc (unless you explicitly configured znc to recode your messages), it has to do with the fact that irc is encoding agnostic. used to be you had koi8-r only channels, or latin-1 only channels etc. now utf-8 is the "standard" but from back in those days you have a peculiar hack surviging in a lot of clients. everyone's expected to be able to read latin-1,

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Logged on 2016-09-21 13:18 Framedragger: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160921/#109 << znc puts shitty non-utf-but-should-be-utf chars in logs, bot trips over them and can't ignore them. that is also (cc mircea_popescu) the reason why it keeps saying it's the same char at same position: even if you just read() the whole file into buffer, it's gonna fail (at the same place). obviously this is unsustainable, i.e. i won't put up with this.

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but not necessarily your special encoding. so client will guess the encoding of the line you're sending, and if it can be encoded as latin-1 it'll send it as such, otherwise utf-8

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Logged on 2016-09-21: [03:01:32] <asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546187 << and Framedragger what's this

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http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160921/#207 << ftr this is mostly old japanese men.

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Logged on 2016-09-21: [13:12:38] <asciilifeform> how about old women who make doll houses

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mircea_popescu's xchat specifically still does that. so his latin-1 encodable text comes out as such, otherwise it gets promoted to utf-8

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the way you deal with this madness you can see in the guts of a lot of irc clients: you try and decode just that line as utf-8, and if that fails, you decode it as latin-1.

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ahahaha check him out, he unrolled the ball of yarn

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nice going.

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oh there's a lot of shit like that in btcbase, that's what i was working on while not working on stability issues apparently

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(ftr this is the irc protocol, even if many clients don't respect it. latin-1 with utf-8 fallback.)

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used to be latin-1 with $arbitrary fallback, but THAT insanity (koi-9 chgannels, etc) blessfully went away.

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in favour of you know, everyone shoving his insanity & watergun into "the same" balloon.

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but correct way of handling this in python, is to read() line by line, which returns whatever, ascii, then parse the [date] <nick> bits as ascii, then take the rest of line and try: msg.decode('utf-8') except: msg.decode('latin-1')

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well technically the other way around, but whatevs.

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no no utf-8 is first, because latin-1 decoder will happily decode whatever, where's utf-8 will fail on umlauts and accent graves and such

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latin-1 should fail on "nonprintables" or w/e they're called.

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then again, i dun think anyone seriously maintained any of this in a decade+, so who even knows.

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and for the record, read in python doesn't ever fail, what fails is elevation from str to unicode that implicitly happens in places, like when you do "print" or inside the html encoder or whatever. the correct way is to treat "str" as a byte sequence, and explicitly do encode/decode when appropriate.

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now this.

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ALL CHARS ARE BYTES!

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yeah, that's how btcbase looks at it. messages are stored and mostly processed as utf-8 encoded byte-arrays

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anyway. 8 bytes per char ? fuck that dumb shit.

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in other fucking lulz : https://www.eir.ie/egt/standards/iso10646/ucs-roadmap.html

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everything that's wrong with utf in one simple line.

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still linked from, eg, w3.org page. you know the one, where they importantly whine about stupid.

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ah

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err

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ha

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phf supposedly they're going to have >100k glyphs "soon". and somebody's gonna even make glyphs for all this fucking nonsense.

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used to take an expert a week to make you a new font. now it's outside of the capabilities of the us government.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546406 << the flyin' kind or the drownin' kind ..?

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Logged on 2016-09-21 14:43 mircea_popescu: you'll end up in a bath tub i'm telling you.

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it's probably just the japanese adding more emoji

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asciilifeform the kind you push up and down the hill in a great flurry to "help with athen's defense"

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*

asciilifeform not familiar

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!~google diogenes kyon

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mircea_popescu: My hero Diogenes the Cynic | Outre monde: <https://outre-monde.com/2010/07/16/my-hero-diogenes-the-cynic/>; Diógenes Kyon Profiles | Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/public/Di%25C3%25B3genes-Kyon>; My Hero Diogenes the Cynic | Psychology Today: <https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hide-and-seek/201203/my-hero-diogenes-the-cynic>

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"man sitting on a toilet while wearing a horse mask glyph", which, by u.s. fraction of the unicode lobby is augmented to, "woman ..." "minority permutation ..."

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https://www.blueboxcloud.com/insight/blog-article/getting-out-of-mysql-character-set-hell << re double converted utf and other machine-produced lulz

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546431 << 404

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Logged on 2016-09-21 15:03 mircea_popescu: in other fucking lulz : https://www.eir.ie/egt/standards/iso10646/ucs-roadmap.html

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i recon, that is the gist of the joke

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come to think of it first proper exposure to encoding hell was mp3 id3 tags

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my first exposure was trying to make a ru font, by hand, for a '90s gadget called 'rocketbook'

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https://innovators.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/pictures/Rocketbook_wv.jpg << subj

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https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/57/198774163_6a1d6f0280_b.jpg << also subj

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my first was "wtf is that gunk at beginning of text file ?" "oh, windows."

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asciilifeform: second photo makes it, complete with slightly rounded crt and a gunky beige keyboard

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mircea_popescu: microshit's traditional (and to this day favoured, as in default in their toolchain) incarnation of uniturd has fixed 16-bit characters

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phf: aha!

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asciilifeform at soime point (maybe windows 95 ?) they were adding a 2 byte "bom" at beginning of all "text" files

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making them not text files.

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this somehow silently vanished

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i am willing to bet it's still there, in utf.

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they still do cr-lf though.

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maybe they fucked up the tools that'd show it ; but i will not believe it's gone

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neither ms-vs nor 'notepad' in xp, '07, '08, '10, seem to produce such a thing.

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can't speak immediately for other winblowsen.

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it may be artifact of particular 'language localization' turds.

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possible.

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and in other denim chic, http://66.media.tumblr.com/9073b84663a5bb665c4f7922f343b416/tumblr_n7yg3vN4sS1qfye3yo1_1280.jpg

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mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/4in79/?raw=true

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546426 << spreading -- worx!1111

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Logged on 2016-09-21 14:52 phf: and for the record, read in python doesn't ever fail, what fails is elevation from str to unicode that implicitly happens in places, like when you do "print" or inside the html encoder or whatever. the correct way is to treat "str" as a byte sequence, and explicitly do encode/decode when appropriate.

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never mind that the ~libraries~, which are the ~only reason anyone even writes proggy in python, more or less invariably croak on uniturds.

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!~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1p3F

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shinohai: The operation succeeded.

~ 36 minutes ~

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asciilifeform: having fixed a share of "unicode doesn't work in python!!1" problems, i'm pretty sure that it's an operator problem

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and it's definitely ~not~ the case of spreading works. python made a very right and sane distinction between strings and bytes. and the interaction of the two requires awareness. the mistake that they made is to make the conversion implicit, which lets people pretend like underlying problems don't exist, and when it breaks ~like it should~ blame it on python

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!~ticker --market all

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lmao.

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https://59.21.182.242 user: admin pw: aerohive << have fun.

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phf i'm of the same persuasion. they should never have included "automagic" conversions.

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a mistake ~on the level of a c that included "automagic" memalloc.

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mats

TIL this is a thing http://alfa-media.com/products/tf%20raid.html

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mats: ancient history

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in euro lulz, http://espresso.repubblica.it/attualita/2016/07/01/news/a-ruling-by-the-italian-supreme-court-news-do-expire-online-archives-would-need-to-be-deleted-1.275720

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'The case originated when the owners of a restaurant decided that they no longer would accept that a news piece reporting on an legal case in which they were involved was accessible online from the archives of Primadanoi.it, a local news website of the Abruzzo region ... The plaintiffs did not dispute the veracity of the facts reported in the article, which is incidentally a case still at bar, nor the circumstance that, at least as t

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he local community is concerned, the news story was undeniably of public interest. They just argued that, two and half years from the events reported in the story, the right to inform the public could no longer be invoked to justify the permanence online of a story that was damaging their reputation and the image of their restaurant.'

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in other lulz, from the koch conf, https://sks-keyservers.net/files/2016-09_OpenPGP-Conf-sks-keyservers.pdf >>> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/5a0ab/?raw=true << guess of what 0 mention...

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https://gnupg.org/blog/20160921-openpgp-conf.html << boeck's crud apparently unpublished

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they unveiled the 5th or so tard-cardano, also.

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lulzy

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FSF-endorsed!11111

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also rolled out the umpteenth honeytrap for killing usg leakers

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('globaleaks')

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and buncha other snores.

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https://github.com/trevp/double_ratchet/wiki << and a usg gossipd.

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( https://github.com/1984not-GmbH/molch rather, above is 'spec')

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aaaaand another heathen 'pgp is obsolete, here's a' >> https://github.com/stealth/opmsg

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What lulz "double ratchet"

12:58

'opmsg requires the crypto primitives from OpenSSL. Just relax, its not using the SSL/TLS proto, just the ciphering and hash algorithms. '

12:59

this obsession with OpenSSL for crypto operations is uncanny.

12:59

"just relax, spread wider, this won't hurt a bit"

12:59

quite canny.

13:00

i guess i don't understand the obsession

13:01

after heartbleed OpenSSL should have been avoided like the plague

13:02

what would they use instead?

13:04

'Oh that will not do, said Milder to Moulder / Oh what will you do then said Festel to Fose / Great guns and great cannon said John the Red Nose ... ' (tm) (r) (english folk song)

13:05

PeterL: that's a asciilifeform question

13:05

write the damned crypto

13:05

^- iff good at math

13:05

why do cattle need crypto..?

13:06

so they can put their grass territory on deedbot?

~ 17 minutes ~

13:23

> tardano

13:29

Annnnd ben_vulpes coins a new term for the republic.

13:33

in other lulz, http://putintrump.org

13:38

needless to say, qntra isn't going to implement italian "supreme court" bullshit ; nor is "italy" a sovereign in any sense.

13:39

only linked as illustration that not all idiocies originate in usa

13:39

few idiocies originate in usa, really.

13:39

archive everything!

13:39

they're just slavish copyists of eurononsense

13:39

mircea_popescu does story merit a qntra just for the lulz ?

13:41

notrly.

13:42

the way things currently stand, being mentioned in qntra increases the italian gdp by a significant ammount, which is unjustified by an mostly absent public interest in the affairs of the shithole.

13:42

let them pay for advertising like any other wanna-be corp.

13:43

"italy" is not a thing. arguably that it ever was.

13:43

thing in the same way india was/is a thing.

13:43

lizards want orcs in convenient corrals.

13:44

i guess.

13:44

oh ffs

13:45

!~ty mircea_popescu

13:45

You are very welcome Daddy

13:46

mircea_popescu let them pay for advertising like any other wanna-be corp. <<< nb and good point

13:47

http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160921/#395 << very canny. all they got is a pile of shit ; bypassing it annuls ~a decade of usg.nsa "work"

13:47

Logged on 2016-09-21: [16:59:50] <asciilifeform> quite canny.

13:47

which, given that it's not 2000 anymore, they can't reproduce.

13:47

eh they've got spare piles o' shit, e.g., nacl, etc

13:47

so stuck importing utf, ntp, "open-sores-sl" etc into everything or bust

13:48

but anyway, to remind teh esteemed lordship that http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/ is still open for comments etc.

13:49

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asciilifeform has a very lengthy treatise in the works, but it needs a) trimming b) refinement, took mircea_popescu's 'stop sending gibblets' criticism to heart

13:49

complete with asciiart.

13:49

works.

13:49

if doing something, do it well, etc

13:50

*

PeterL eager awaiting asciilifeform's response

13:55

in other lulz, https://www.madewithcode.com , linked from google front pg, 'Learn about the women using code to change the world. Their inspiring stories demonstrate just some of the ways code can shape our lives.' 'In 2015 the United Nations came together to make a list of Global Goals for our planet. Now they need us to help spread the word. Begin your coding journey by choosing the issue that matters the most to you and become par

13:55

t of the change.'

13:55

didjaknow.

13:55

'MEET THE WOMEN CODING FOR CHANGE'

13:55

'CODE FOR PEACE. CODE FOR EQUALITY. CODE TO END POVERTY.'

13:56

seems like that would be easy, just write a script to give everybody the same amount of money!

13:57

dun forget to remove balls first

13:57

if is_violence(action): stop

13:57

$./communism.pl

13:57

hey, almost an exact opposite of republican goals.

13:57

how about - code to end equality.

13:58

and to ensure poverty for anyone involved with google, the un, etcetera.

13:58

'CODE FOR WAR. CODE FOR ELITISM. CODE TO ENSLAVE.'

13:58

eh enslave. who can be bothered.

13:58

enpork.

13:58

if your crazy chechen cousin brought you a goat, you wouldn't want to KEEP it

13:59

goat, unlike google 'coders', has market value.

13:59

can sell.

13:59

depends entirely on the market.

13:59

i knew where to sell goat in washington.

13:59

not rocket surgery.

13:59

the 'google gendered', on the other hand...

14:00

may be a market for them in detroit/baltimore.

14:00

dunno that a self-respecting cannibal would want to eat'em

14:00

and can't think what other use.

14:01

in not-really-other news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/3de1084ccb1e6d24ff754dccbe7bf16c/tumblr_njcre2C87w1r59rt8o1_1280.jpg

14:01

lel

14:01

very trustin' folk

14:01

( would mircea_popescu do this ? )

14:01

notrly.

14:02

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asciilifeform pictures cocksucking equivalent of the periscope for eyeholes in doors

14:03

in general the way this works is : a) you put two inch styrofoam panels on light metal rails with gloryhole ; b) you affix lcd eyeheight, and play porn on it and c) you get women lined up to service behind the wall.

14:03

with something like those old pin matrix.

14:04

this way you can turn N ugly cocksuckers + K pretty whores into irl satisfaction for N*c idiots

14:04

as opposed to being limited in any way by the width of K.

14:04

http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/67d913c979ee44a8931481143d5c3d0a/channel-lock-wrench-in-a-pin-matrix-akn840.jpg

14:05

seeing how it takes about two hours to teach anyone to suck cock but you can't turn 99% of extant female population into fap fodder no matter what you do.

14:05

next step, as suggested by the pin thing, is telesucking.

14:07

http://www.tactileview.com/weblog/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Pin-device-1024x691.jpg << better photo.

14:07

you're technologizing the wrong way, really.

14:08

how's that

14:10

waste of time to try and remove the N from the equation.

14:10

that's the last bit you optimize.

14:10

seems like the last bit remaining, neh ?

14:10

it's there on the chopping block, waiting for the optimization.

~ 18 minutes ~

14:29

(goat is very useful for blackberry control)

~ 31 minutes ~

15:00

in definitely not newz, 'Counterfeit batteries are a HUGE problem on eBay. I firmly believe that probably over 85% of the Lithium Ion batteries on eBay are counterfeit or of inferior/dangerous quality. Most of them are extremely overrated as well. For instance, a 18650 cell simply cannot hold 4000MaH. It’s not physically possible for on of these cells output that much energy without draining it to an unusable state. Whatever th

15:00

e case, our theory is that we are sending out batteries over to China to be recycled and they are disassembling the battery packs and reshrinkwrapping them and then selling them back to us on eBay. Not sure if that’s the case with all of it but I’m sure that some of that is happening.' ( http://www.notanon.com/electronics/rebuilding-a-toshiba-libretto-50ct-battery-pack/2011/03/18/comment-page-1/ )

15:01

( and remember when lappy used to come with that standalone charger thing ! )

~ 17 minutes ~

15:18

by god, trusted chinaman turned out to have his own agenda, what. who could've predicted

15:21

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-20#1545761 << http://67.media.tumblr.com/66695636e29092b1cace3ad71c5c99f2/tumblr_odbi6yXhXx1sndzdgo1_500.jpg

15:21

Logged on 2016-09-20 16:50 asciilifeform: phf: aha, before the zombies took over.

15:21

also warning to any enthusiasts of 'pcengine' board: latest revisions ship with 'Intel i210AT / i211AT' nic.

15:21

instead of the venerable realtek 'crab'.

15:21

trinque, phf, mircea_popescu , et al ^

15:31

what exactly is "recycled" going to mean if not exactly this ?

15:33

http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9791CD47CA7C159454EF0EBAB5B2CDDA613798E4C87012959ADA6E8A63949A27 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13282798872778531390170909277598178887857129355585276588971246436147006560911342968764445274037224411544389715545674384485854050096215214333562985037464979 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '223.94.78.217 (ssh-rsa key from 223.94.78.217 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on

15:39

^ china, incidentally.

15:40

*

mircea_popescu likes all these big thick fuctors.

15:41

this one doesn't seem to fall into any of the known litmus categories.

15:42

though it is up, and there appears to be a microshit box behind it.

15:42

http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9791CD47CA7C159454EF0EBAB5B2CDDA613798E4C87012959ADA6E8A63949A27 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13282798872778531390170909277598178887857129355585276588971246436147006560911342968764445274037224411544389715545674384485854050096215214333562985037464979 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '223.94.78.217 (ssh-rsa key from 223.94.78.217 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on

15:42

http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8FC5CF2B4967FCB5A48F3CB895ABE79B21364FF6EC46B6FDEFB18D47EC998B76 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13282798872778531390170909277598178887857129355585276588971246436147006560911342968764445274037224411544389715545674384485854050096215214333562985037464979 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.95.66 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.95.66 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on F

15:42

aaaah and there's its 'sibling'.

15:47

that last one has a world-open postgres...

15:47

and fuck knows what else.

15:47

lol.

15:47

#trilema free hosting solutions.

15:47

aha.

15:53

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546595 << intensely depressing.

15:53

Logged on 2016-09-21 19:21 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-20#1545761 << http://67.media.tumblr.com/66695636e29092b1cace3ad71c5c99f2/tumblr_odbi6yXhXx1sndzdgo1_500.jpg

15:53

notice no 'window decoration' shitola.

15:53

nor mice.

15:55

the comp-for-thinking-folk aaaalmost happened.

15:56

*

asciilifeform showed to pet, who noted 'the comp in every bit of science fiction written by thinking folk of old, the research console, starship bridge, etc'

15:59

kind of disappointed this isn't a thing either, http://s3.amazonaws.com/cooltools_legacy/archives/duvall.jpg (was custom designed and built by herman miller for SAIL)

16:00

eh, I'd much rather stand

16:01

phf: i bet they have it in japan.

16:01

asciilifeform: kind of, except they just have coffee table like things that you can put your laptop on

16:02

this sort of cargo cult bullshit https://yogalongbeach.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/yoga-desk.jpg

16:03

o hey check it out, japan builds the legstands.

16:04

traditional crafts. sort of like "made in america

16:04

asciilifeform btw buncha 504s on phuctor ?

16:04

no?

16:04

er, "made in america" stuff is all leather boots and wood axes

16:04

mircea_popescu: loads fine.

16:04

how the hell does anyone tolerate sitting on hard wood

16:05

phf: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=861 << obligatory.

16:05

trinque: they don't in both cases there's a cushion

16:05

knees are still on it

16:06

plus folding your legs constricts circulation

16:06

thank you, dr. phil

16:06

claiming humans evolved to spend 8hrs on their asses or what?

16:07

plus I thought he only did trailer park emotional issues

16:08

mircea_popescu: seems to load ok, but logs show hammering earlier

16:08

ah

16:08

mircea_popescu: try whatever it was you wanted.

16:08

trinque women did! hence fat tail!

16:08

hm!

16:10

trinque: mechanics of padmasana doesn't put weight on knees. i don't know what that lady is doing (that picture is straight up cargo cult), but even in her caise majority of her weight is on the lower buttocks

~ 45 minutes ~

16:55

http://qntra.net/2016/09/canadian-keisters-other-buttcoins-in-heist/ << Qntra - Canadian Keisters Other Buttcoins In Heist

16:56

BingoBoingo

ty shinohai

16:56

o7 BingoBoingo

~ 50 minutes ~

17:46

!#s dmitry.gr

17:46

1 result for "dmitry.gr", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dmitry.gr

17:48

http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-09#1295539 came across this thing again

17:48

Logged on 2015-10-09 14:07 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2015#1295525 << example for readers http://dmitry.gr/index.php?proj=07.+Linux+on+8bit&r=05.Projects

17:50

lel that thing

17:51

approx as useful as 'linux on brainfuck interpreter'

17:51

the next tmsr-machine!!1

17:53

either that or made of gurlz

17:53

dripping on one another, or similar.

17:54

when we all are digging irradiated carrots and remembering the good old "days of knowing (pre-Event)", mp will still be running bitcoin on those things

17:57

obligatory:

17:57

!#s great slow kings

17:57

4 results for "great slow kings", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=great%20slow%20kings

17:59

i like how first google link is to mashkov lib (or whatever's left of it, post-burning)

18:00

gotta know the current mirror, they change what now, weekly?

18:01

i don't know the current mirror, i was using librusec, until that too went to shit

18:03

ditto flibusta, until same

18:03

(the latter is ~mostly intact)

~ 1 hours 38 minutes ~

19:42

*

mircea_popescu is reading "the law of baron and femme", apropos of irradiated carrots

~ 17 minutes ~

19:59

eg "A note, payable to a feme covert, for a debt due to her while sole, is legally payable to the husband, and the property vests absolutely in him, and after his death, goes to his executor or administrator, and not to the wife." and other such wonders.

~ 22 minutes ~

20:21

https://archive.org/details/baronandfemeatr00unkngoog << subj ?

20:22

aha.

20:22

terrible ocr

20:22

well so get the item itself.

20:23

it is probably here in the house somewhere.

20:25

anyway. the concept of "nothing to allcomers" logically extends to property on one hand ; the notion of holding property outside of a proper signature is utterly nonsensical on the other hand. however you look at things, a reversal of "progressive" innovation in legal matters is unavoidable.

20:26

noshit.jpg

20:26

it's not just "the right to vote" that goes away upon review and limitation of the franchise. derps simply can't hold property, whether they be "the government of the united states" or "jane doe".

20:26

word 'hold' ~means~ something.

20:27

i.e. the buttons are connected.

20:27

loonybin napoleons hold 0 thrones.

20:28

and if joe can disconnect doe's buttons, they are joe's, not doe's.

20:28

mno. conversion, such as through theft, or mere possession, give no title in either law or equity.

20:28

the thief doesn't own what he "holds"

20:29

if you convert the army and navy - let someone disagree

20:29

i disagree.

20:30

and sure, 'army and navy' is not a complete picture, it is possible to disagree a la hassan i sabbah, or mircea_popescu .

20:34

vaguely on subject - it is commonly supposed by n00bz that 'launch codes'-style absolute-yet-titleless property holding is a new, bitcoiny thing. but it is nothing of the kind, pirates did it.

20:34

plenty took 'brainwallet' to the gallows.

20:34

in general title, and the concept of law, is an instrument of monarchy directed against the peerage.

20:35

aha.

20:35

ie, "we don't need lords - here's robotic replacement our bureaucrats devised"

20:35

the idiot english celebrate what, remember

20:35

'magna carta'

20:35

which was precisely it

20:35

nevertheless, a comprehensive counter-imperial offensive will include measures meaningful to it, in its own terms.

20:35

de-titling of the kulaks, as it were. nobody may hold title to any property, nor be entitled to equitable redress of any claim, unless they are a person, as this is defined.

20:36

!#s no rights for wights

20:36

0 results for "no rights for wights", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=no%20rights%20for%20wights

20:36

hm.

20:37

it must've been on trilema.

20:38

hmm, that's an idea

20:40

in short, to codify years of extand practice, the "how to participate in the affairs" actually has a lot of bite. one who isn't a citizen has no rights. his complaints have no standing, whatever their content ; and no redress is available.

20:41

if chair wants to be spoken for, it has to find a sitter and make him happy.

20:41

otherwise goes to where the other junk furniture goes.

20:44

unrelatedly,

20:45

does anyone know of a remaining maker of nic chipsets other than intel, broadcom, and realtek ?

20:45

(usb dongles not counting)

20:45

there were some korean etc

20:45

who

20:45

names plox

20:45

and places where it can be had.

20:45

a minute.

20:45

pci/pcie/minipci.

20:46

qualcomm?

20:46

gigabit only

20:46

plox

20:46

phf: afaik qualcomm doesn't make WIRED nics

20:47

i think are behind the "Killer" brand

20:47

3com ; nvidia apparently makes them too ; something called marvell

20:48

marvell makes the pogo system-on-chip

20:48

afaik no standalones.

20:49

killed does not appear to feature on a standalone board either

20:49

though if anyone turns one up, please link.

20:50

same seems to be true of nvidia (only available in their southbridge ??)

20:50

asciilifeform apparently most usb dongles use something called asix for a chipset

20:50

mircea_popescu: there's a number of them

20:50

but they are ~worthless for serious use

20:51

there's also adm8515 from "davicom" apparently still in production

20:51

(excruciating bottleneck)

20:51

again no usb plox, they are rubbish.

20:51

myeah

20:52

there's also a rosewill

20:53

https://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-1000Mbps-Network-Adapter-RC-400-LX/dp/B004F3CO5M << 8 bux. prolly cheapest.

20:53

i dun think they make the chipset

20:53

gotta find out who does...

20:54

most of these seem to buy bulk korean parts.

20:54

i meant, what is physically on the rosewill board.

20:55

they're a 'whitelabel'

20:55

yeah. and i meant, "probably a realtek clone made in south korea".

20:55

possibly.

20:57

https://www.pericom.com

20:57

^ is who.

20:58

with realtek PHYs. e.g., http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833166096

20:58

(see photo close-up)

20:58

aha

20:58

or hah, no

20:58

pericom only makes the pci bridge in these

20:58

they use realtek lock stock and barrel.

20:59

this leaves me exactly where i was when i did this survey last year, and the year before, and...

20:59

there are 3 makers of gbE nics you can buy as cards (vs mobo southbridge integrated, or SOC a la pogo)

20:59

realtek, broadcom, intel.

21:00

the last 2 are wholly-owned usg thralls, while realtek is taiwanese and famous for, e.g., 'losing' signing certs later used in stuxnet, etc.

21:00

"independents" all appear to be varying degrees of "serials filed off" ; mostly realtek's

21:01

dun look like they even bothered with 'filing off'

21:01

i've been trying and failing to locate an in-production gbE card with something other than these 3 on it, and failed.

21:02

(the other thing realtek is famous for is... having very peculiar definition of 'working chip', see e.g., https://archive.is/uvOwZ )

21:03

also wtf mircea_popescu , 3com's been dead for eons

21:04

eh ?

21:04

it was bought by hp in, iirc, 2010.

21:05

nah. iirc some apple schmuck transitioned to it.

21:05

!!google 3com

21:05

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3Com << 3Com - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://www.hpe.com/us/en/networking.html << Networking - Enterprise Wired, Wireless & Data Center Solutions ... | http://www.l-3com.com/ << L-3 Communications |

21:06

now i gotta read wikipedia ?

21:06

nfi where

21:06

http://www8.hp.com/us/en/hp-news/press-release.html?id=342187#.V-Mul2QrL5s

21:06

April 12, 2010 'PALO ALTO, Calif. -- HP today announced it has completed its acquisition of 3Com Corporation at a price of $7.90 per share in cash or an enterprise value of approximately $2.7 billion.'

21:07

o hey check that out, they did close shop.

21:07

apparently there is a 4th co

21:07

'tehuti'

21:07

still. you can buy 10/100 nics for 50 cents a pop.

21:07

which ~nobody ever heard of.

21:08

mircea_popescu: i was specifically NOT asking after junkyard iron.

21:08

i know where to find it.

21:08

asciilifeform alright. has its advantages.

21:08

has numerous advantages, and i run own humble household on it. but q was re moderns.

21:09

ah 'tehuti' is obscure because 10G.

21:09

luxury.

21:14

anyway, log readerz, if i missed anybody - please write in.

21:16

i will add, for completeness, that 'silicon labs' and 'texas instruments' offer gbE controllers, but only as chip - not, afaik, packaged on pci/pcie by anyone.

21:17

silicon labs is a ~fabless~ american co.

21:17

who makes its line physically - i do not know.

21:17

meaning they print in china?

21:17

ah

21:17

phf: almost certainly taiwan

21:18

'BroodMinder: Smart, Affordable Telemetry for Beekeeping' << lolk.

21:22

sooooo, three, three, three nicmusketeeers, all muppets of guess who.

21:23

sitting in ~every large server of whatever consequence.

21:24

all dma-enabled (because pc arch doesn't actually offer any other way to move Gb/sec)

21:24

this last detail i hope is not news to anyone.

21:27

mircea_popescu: earlier i think you were thinking of 'pa semi'

21:27

who were another gBe maker, bought by crapple and annihilated in '08.

21:27

(fabless. i have nfi where their chip was physically made.)

21:29

situation re gbE nics is quite reminiscent of american consumer banks.

21:29

ask a street schmuck and he will say 'there are hundreds'

21:29

when actual number, not counting the fed, is 3.

21:30

and all 3 owned by His Reptilian Majesty.

21:31

ooooh found another corpse

21:31

'alteon'

21:31

made gBe. dead '09.

21:32

(bought by 3com !)

21:32

turns out they were rounded up just like the banks.

21:34

*

asciilifeform if nobody figured it out, was going through /usr/src/linux/drivers/net/ethernet simply ... asking 'gbE? alive?' for each item therein.

21:43

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-22#1546731 << that's a realtek, you can spot the crab logo with naked eye.

21:43

Logged on 2016-09-22 00:53 mircea_popescu: https://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-1000Mbps-Network-Adapter-RC-400-LX/dp/B004F3CO5M << 8 bux. prolly cheapest.

21:46

aaaaand on slightly related subj, whatever happened to https://archive.is/y2cFi ?

21:46

^ dude who found what was probably loose end of intel's implementation of 'magic usg packet'

21:47

reliably hard-wedged the nic, regardless of what os was running, or if any

21:48

http://www.zdnet.com/article/intel-ethernet-controller-vulnerable-to-packet-of-death << etc

21:48

sorta popped up, and then quietly unhappened.

21:49

(elsewhere) 'The network card crashed whenever the value 0x32 or 0x33 was found at offset 0x47f. Kristian first noticed this happening for specific SIP packets, but in the end, it turned out that any packet with 0x32 at 0x47f caused the crash. Intel traced the problem to an EEPROM used in this specific card (82574L). There are some links in the comment to the blog suggesting that others have run into this problem before. For example,

21:49

the commend: "ping -p 32 -s 1110 x.x.x.x" can crash an affected card remotely.'

21:50

http://www.kriskinc.com/intel-pod << exact recipe.

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http://blog.zorinaq.com/live-demonstration-of-intel-packet-of-death << also great. www-based 'death packet' sender.

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(come to think of it, mircea_popescu , what nic was in the original dulap..?)

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https://communities.intel.com/community/wired/blog/2013/02/07/intel-82574l-gigabit-ethernet-controller-statement ( https://archive.is/hdPrn ) << intel's official response. pure gold.

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