#trilema | 2015-08-11

but shit like this don't bode well.

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senator hurrdurr (who really seems an exact mirror image of ron paul in left colorings) is certainly out of the question, but omfg don't tell me trump takes over and does a postmodern rendition of reagan

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if anything can upset that woman's dreams, it's the donald

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The race right now is fucked. The left press called Rubio the winner of the first GOP debate before any poll numbers and Rubio close to platonically stupid.

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if u.s. politics is a tv game show, which it so often seems to be, how could trump (or someone equally outrageous) lose ?

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jeez.

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you know, romanian "press" and "social media" got very much similarly humiliated in 2008 when a romanian sort of donalt trump trampled all over their girlbits.

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it was kinda the point it became obvious the alt-planet lost the battle, there.

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and it was beautiful, five years of 10-20% shrinkage in "advertising spending" were followed by a 80% and two 50%s.

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to the point 100s of romanian taylor swifts got recently arrested for prostitution (they were doing it for 1-200 euros, rate price)

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COPS ARE NOW OFFICIALLY THE FATTEST EMPLOYEES IN AMERICA, STUDY SHOWS | AG News ... ( http://bit.ly/1UzWnfC )

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(rate price means i wouldn't pay 50% of that in any case)

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http://www.nist.gov/itl/csd/201508_sha3.cfm

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NIST Releases SHA-3 Cryptographic Hash Standard ... ( http://bit.ly/1UzWurk )

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyfxr-Bzwn0

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http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/on-the-detection-of-quantum-insert

Marco Rubio On Rap Music - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1UzWuYq )

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TomServo

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on the detection of quantum insert ... ( http://bit.ly/1UzWvf6 )

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mats: who in their right fucking mind would trust the latest nist 'standard'

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"Its also possible I failed to attract the right visitors. This is only a one man show, and I can only churn out so much linkbait, even for the sake of science."

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that.

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nobody asked you to trust nist

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mats: eh i wasn't being personal, speaking generally here

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!s nist

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38 results for 'nist' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nist

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the one possibility of interest he neglects is "sane people use the browser as a strictly stateless device. to them it makes absolutely no difference."

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pete_dushenski mats is on a hunt for cultism in the cult, and you stepped on his detector.

00:15

*kaboom*

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is it annoying btw mats ?

00:15

sha3 was created in an open process like rijndael

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ahahahahahaha

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can you define "open process" ?

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open, l0l, aha

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mircea_popescu: me think cazalla is on a similar hunt ?

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doubt it.

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it works like this: folks mail in suggestions (naturally only incestuous academitards from nato countries considered! no untermenschem plz!)

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me grog.

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and nsa picks the ones it likes.

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asciilifeform technically, it's open.

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*untermenschen

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open to aryans.

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mircea_popescu: ya, i dun seriously think so either.

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reddit notably also publishes through an open process.

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also like rijndael

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rijnddit.

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phun phakt: the 'dae' is a chick

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there are publications detailing the selection process, Chang et. al

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or hm, misremembere

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d

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that was another, forgotten algo

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mats: the selection-for-suitability-for-top-secret process is not public.

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i don't give a flying fuck about the window dressing one.

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the reason why all usg keys are generated at ft. meade and not in the field is also not public.

00:19

unless this - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323 - counts as 'public'

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Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name. ... ( http://bit.ly/1gZ2mwl )

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mats seriously, publications detailing the process ?

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tell you what. unless i can personally break it, it does not meet my definition of "open".

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that's what open is : something that continues only inasmuch i do not break it.

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if it can protect itself, it's closed.

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^

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so yes, my slavegirls are open processes.

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as you suggest, open-ness is subject to personal definitions

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that'd be about it. claims to the contrary are an exercise in directed disingenuity.

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and there's nothing wrong with it being a closed process, either. other than - don't expect folks whoi aren't politically alligned to give a slightest fuck.

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not like the us police implements the rules dreamed up byu the supreme soviet of north korea

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and this without any discussion of the merits. as great as they may be. and without even reading them.

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because they make very strictly no difference whatsoever.

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it always boggled my mind how anyone could have ever seen 'fips' etc. as representing anything other than 'breakable by usg with reasonable cost'

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(more of an observation re: ciphers than hashes. until recently, usg did not give a rat's arse re: hashes)

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Related: "I stopped going to school because people were kicking my ass" - Mike Tyson

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A different take on OBEY art and apparel: http://mileswmathis.com/obey.pdf

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... ( http://bit.ly/1UzXjQV )

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If I recall SHA-3 draft FPGA outdates Bitcoin mining FPGA

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well, hand-waving aside, "SHA-3 has no known security issues, whereas SHA-1, MD5, and SHA-512 are susceptible to length-extension. SHA-1 and MD5 are vulnerable to collision attacks, which are expensive for SHA-1, but which are cheap and allow chosen-prefixes for MD5."

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md5 long buried, and cement poured over the grave

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sha 512 length extension was demonstrated ?

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length extension is an operator error thing strictly.

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can be entirely ruled out in a correct design.

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excerpt: "We are told that the OBEY sign, with or without the GIANT sign, is anti-authoritarian. But is the fact

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that a lot of young people are wearing shirts with the words OBEY on them—without knowing

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anything about the artistic, historical, or “anti-propaganda” significance of all this—really anti-

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authoritarian? Or is it just the excuse to get the word OBEY up everywhere?"

00:31

directed disingenuity. as per usual.

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BingoBoingo though anyways SHA-3 was proposed entirely on the pretense of "speed"

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BingoBoingo: aha, like aes.

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it's always 'speed' with these folk

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(except when not)

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asciilifeform: That. Or like Elliptic curve in lieu of RSA

00:37

"less bits moar fast"

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less bats moar fist.

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!b 2

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Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/18YFRKH.txt )

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<mircea_popescu> less bats moar fist. << But dat leverage the bat offers

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asciilifeform to bed

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;;more

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264.395376103

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dat dpear davout

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*spread

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;;later tell phf http://dpaste.com/2Q2YKDB

01:02

dpaste: 2Q2YKDB ... ( http://bit.ly/1Weoti3 )

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The operation succeeded.

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01:26

http://www.wsj.com/articles/china-moves-to-devalue-the-yuan-1439258401

01:26

China Moves to Devalue Yuan - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1WeqPgZ )

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01:47

Varia_Varietat+| Guys I forgot the passphase on the key I just made. << wahahaha!

01:48

study your gentoo install in the meanwhile.

01:57

trinque: He's on OpenBSD now and a six month hold order

01:58

"tightly controlled currency" in what sense do you think mats?

01:58

Most accurate movie review ever http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=mad_max_hell_yeah

01:58

Mad Max: The only review you need to read for the only movie you need to watch. ... ( http://bit.ly/1L3kMZk )

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notbad.

02:02

"This part looks so awesome that Mad Max even pauses during the action just to watch people blow up. It's as if he knows he's acting in this awesome movie and he's getting paid to do his job, but even he can't help but sit back and think about how cool his life is going to be after this movie and how he's going to spend the rest of his life getting his knob polished by conjoined supermodel twins for being in thi

02:02

s awesome scene. " << par for the 2015 meta-movie course

02:02

scoopbot_revived

Bully for you. http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/11/bully-for-you/

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^longer one for y'all

02:03

BingoBoingo: OpenBSD is probably a much better n00b suggestion

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spoiler alert : i was bullied, but i was also a bully !

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great installer, for example

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trinque: OpenBSD is the new Ubuntu 10.04

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pete_dushenski: Movie is that good

02:05

One big car chase

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i've heard nothing but positive reviews of it

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here, meatwot, everywhere !

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funkenstein_: how else? central bank carefully and regularly buys and sells it in domestic forex market

02:07

speaking of movie recommendations : pumping iron (1977)

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arnold schwarzeneggar

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trinque: Of course if you've not seem the previous Mad Max sequels best to follow its watchings with 2, thunderdome, then a rewatching

02:07

man, I love Maddox so much

02:07

Pumping Iron is good, but the Starz movie champs seems to cover a yet more masculine competition

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pete_dushenski: The way you enjoy car culture some Immortan Joe seems necessary

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i tried watching the original, 10 minutes was all i could take.

02:10

yes, mad max originals are boring compared to fury road

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mats, ok.. but isn't that what zimbabwe central bank did too?

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Really every Mad Max except for the original is great

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2 is probably best

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i can't for the life of me understand why all the news about china's currency devaluation is all '2nd largest global economy' blah blah re: china.

02:14

china's been the biggest for what, 5 years ?

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funkenstein_: I don't know specifics of ZWD collapse, but let's say yes, so what?

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<pete_dushenski> china's been the biggest for what, 5 years ? << Same reason Zynga is an ongoing concern instead of a cauterized wound

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just struck me as an amusing phrase :)

02:16

http://bits-please.blogspot.com/2015/08/full-trustzone-exploit-for-msm8974.html

02:16

Bits, Please!: Full TrustZone exploit for MSM8974 ... ( http://bit.ly/1L3lBRX )

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funkenstein_: I imagine the particular use arises from the nearly daily management of the rate

02:18

http://wiki.yobi.be/wiki/MoVfuscator_Writeup

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MoVfuscator Writeup - YobiWiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGCsE0 )

02:18

BingoBoingo: basically, dreams die hardest.

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pete_dushenski: As a strength each Mad Max installment is completely independent. In order of interesting I rate then 2.4.3.1

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*order them

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i was at first surprised how easily it appears for people to arb. CNH/USD/BTC

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BingoBoingo drunk watching 4 again

02:19

<funkenstein_> i was at first surprised how easily it appears for people to arb. CNH/USD/BTC << And hen you actually try it

02:20

first link is re: Snapdragon 800, second is 'a beautiful single instruction C compiler leveraging the paper "mov is Turing-complete" [https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~sd601/papers/mov.pdf] by Stephen Dolan.'

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if capital controls were effective, there would be differences

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Capital is not controlled by capital

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:D

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124226 @ 0.00060363 = 74.9865 BTC [+] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27224 @ 0.00060849 = 16.5655 BTC [+] {2}

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03:24

My favorite aspect of Mad Max is he kills every budding socialist civilization he comes across

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03:41

ag3nt_zer0

classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqgnaWuaaQ4

03:41

Donald Trump turns black women into Republicans - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1WeE3dB )

~ 22 minutes ~

04:03

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/ferguson-protesters-police-gather-on-west-florissant-avenue-state-of/article_7564c9cb-cc89-58cb-8787-4aaa91bcccaa.html << I'm staying out of the city.

04:03

Ferguson protesters, police gather on West Florissant Avenue; state of emergency declared in county : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1WeGKvT )

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!up Vexual

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http://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/music/kevin-johnson/fox-cancels-empire-bus-tour-in-st-louis-over-ferguson/article_ee3bff27-ceea-57d9-a7a3-aa1b77ce63ff.html

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... ( http://bit.ly/1WeGPQ5 )

04:05

But in better local news http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/cards-have-lapped-the-rest-of-baseball-in-run-prevention/article_35332f6e-1039-5556-8842-48dfc794b51f.html

04:05

Cards have 'lapped the rest of baseball' in run prevention : Sports ... ( http://bit.ly/1WeGY5X )

04:07

Also in ++Local news, the anti Zynga http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/jeff-gordon/gordon-here-s-how-the-cards-should-spend-all-that/article_c3000435-50d2-5fcd-81b9-d18ecf110eac.html

04:08

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234365 <<< i said your fender flags were ugly, not your first born, get over it princess!

04:08

Logged on 11-08-2015 04:15:45; pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: me think cazalla is on a similar hunt ?

04:11

Aussie and Candidian are different kinds of Anglo degeneracy

04:11

canadians just have more money

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thought you were dead or something Vexual

04:12

bad luck

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as you know caz, aussies are hard to kill

04:18

how goes sobriety?

04:18

i had a few beers friday night but other than that, good

04:23

!up btcdrak

04:25

Nice summary of copay BingoBoingo (tagged "shitware")

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shinohai: "shitware" is one of qntra's oldest established tags

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hue

04:27

One day I should like to write something for qntra.

04:27

shinohai: The do it.

04:27

shinohai: Seize your dreams and do it.

04:27

shinohai: Just do it.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234449 <<< ya even i managed to get that an xfce up and running

04:28

Logged on 11-08-2015 06:03:32; trinque: BingoBoingo: OpenBSD is probably a much better n00b suggestion

04:28

doob it is more like it.

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shinohai: Do it.

04:29

I'm not much in the politics arena, it will have to be something along the lines of shitcoin or redditard bashing.

04:29

cazalla: n6 managed to. Just needs 6 months to catch up to civilized folk.

04:29

That's my specialty.

04:29

n6 finally decided what distro to use? After naming off like 20 yesterday?

04:29

shinohai: Just find something and do it.

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kk

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPrPNpzLHIk

04:31

shinohai, you're texan?

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No, I'm from GA

04:32

fuckin Atlanta

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shit, soz

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xD

04:33

shinohai: I told n6 to just install OpenBSD. Then he found a guide to set up a "desktop" which convinced him to edit fstab (treat as read only). Got him to reinstall and find a saner guide. Didn't check his hardware and because Nvidia his resolution is painful. Directed to keep reading man pages.

04:34

shinohai: How about them Braves?

04:34

I spent 2-3 hours in PM's trying to get him up to speed on gpg and stuff

04:34

I fucking hate the Braves.

04:34

After that he forgot his GPG password and I quit

04:34

!up Vexual

04:35

srsly, forgot his GPG passphrase.

04:35

God help us.

04:35

lol

04:35

<shinohai> I spent 2-3 hours in PM's trying to get him up to speed on gpg and stuff << Going into the future this is a serious meat DoS attack vector

04:35

elaborate?

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234535 <<< yeah, i had to buy a $20 ATI card and turf the nvidia 580gt for my install, ended up back on nigbuntu though due to a few reasons

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Logged on 11-08-2015 08:33:14; BingoBoingo: shinohai: I told n6 to just install OpenBSD. Then he found a guide to set up a "desktop" which convinced him to edit fstab (treat as read only). Got him to reinstall and find a saner guide. Didn't check his hardware and because Nvidia his resolution is painful. Directed to keep reading man pages.

04:37

shinohai: Well if someone he's getting syn's at their brain ack'd it's the same as what happens at the internet socket

04:38

I don't mind trying to help someone, like I stated earlier I just didn't have my crayons handy for the type of approach he needed.

04:39

At some point though people are going to help themselves.

04:39

The agora crowd can learn GPG while spaced out on LSD, shouldn't be that hard.

04:39

lol

04:40

This may be the waning time of helping people to get into the WoT

04:40

bassbot has me ignore, ill need some fierce lsd to calc

04:41

No one wants to *do* anything BingoBoingo, they like instant validation you get by repeating whatever someone says on r/bitcoin now.

04:41

HEY I GOT 78 UPVOATS, HURR DURR FOR ME

04:43

One day I'll be as famous as Vitalik Bullshitterin.

04:44

shinohai: The Phillipenis accepts that sure. But we've been under a variety of sustained attacks for a while. I'm getting to the point now where I really have trouble assuming n00bs are well intentioned like I may have in 2013.

04:46

:/

04:47

I was about ready to give up on bitcoin until I found this place.

04:48

I mean if someone can't follow instructions other people succeed on. Time spent is a waste. Wasting that time is a resource to be attacked.

04:48

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1IVP8R8jTs

04:48

But what can ya do, all one can do is present the facts and hope it penetrates someoes thick skull and finds fetile brain matter on which to germinate.

04:49

*fertile

04:52

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GumwrV2zIio

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shinohai: Consider if someone wastes an hour of my time, I've usually got lots of time. No big deal. If on the other hand that person manages to waste 15 minutes of asciilifeform's time we have experienced a tragic loss.

04:56

that dude uses his time as he pleases

04:56

When the last pre-0.8 wedge came through I suspected it was a BDB issue but alf was the one to euthanize it at the root.

04:58

Well BingoBoingo those space cadets I mentioned earlier are perfectly happy to *pay* for an hour or two of my time, and are surprisingly apt students. They gotta be - No GPG = No drugs.

04:59

Here is a different story. If someone expresses an interest in therealbitcoin I want to help, because more nodes.

04:59

But takes all kinds I guess.

04:59

In my current situation knowingly servicing the drug crowd for pay is too much risk. I'm out on bail. If they want to even ask for my service and get acknowledged they need GPG down already.

05:00

<shinohai> Here is a different story. If someone expresses an interest in therealbitcoin I want to help, because more nodes. << First lesson of reddit is randos don't run nodes

05:02

No, reddit prefers to offer their opinions on bitcoin, as if that helps.

05:02

hola hasimir

05:04

no nuggets?

05:05

!up Hasimir

05:05

!up Vexual

05:06

shinohai: See. Opinions can have an effect though if they are actionable and acted upon.

05:06

looks like voat is doing some guerilla marketing/spamming http://dpaste.com/2574M6Q.txt

05:06

... ( http://bit.ly/1El02V4 )

05:07

cazalla: Oh, I thought they were too busy trying to stay up.

05:07

That's true, most of these "opinions" are just regurgitated talk from the guy that commented above you.

05:08

https://voat.co/v/bitcointrader/comments/400299

05:08

Checking your bits ... ( http://bit.ly/1El0fHR )

05:08

Have you guys seen that other voat-like site that popped up in the wake of the reddit brouhaha? Lets you "upvote" with pencil-shavings of btc, ltc, and doge.

05:09

Nah

05:09

http://www.bitvoat.com/

05:09

BitVoat - UpVoat with Crypto! BitVoat ... ( http://bit.ly/1D1TBv7 )

05:16

https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ggd71/hearing_these_poor_women_desperately_begging_us/cty184g

05:16

yayalorde comments on "Hearing these poor women desperately begging us to take their credit card numbers so they could put up an ad to feed their families changed everything." ... ( http://bit.ly/1El0PFz )

05:19

reddit is getting too much airtime

05:19

that'll be $35

05:21

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVP_w1rQweE

05:23

thought on the yuan ounk?

05:24

*punkman

05:24

oh they devalued again?

05:25

"the move was a "one-off depreciation" of 1.9% in a move to make the exchange rate more market-oriented. "

05:25

1.9% pfft

05:25

one of many?

05:26

Hasimir

yo, what's up?

05:26

hey

05:26

so their exports slumped, let's make our shit cheaper?

05:26

maybe

05:27

Hasimir

or did I just disconnect and autoreconect again?

05:27

they gotta manage everything "The midpoint for the yuan is now set at 6.2298 to $1, up from 6.1162 yuan on Monday. The People's Bank of China (POBC) manages the rate through the official midpoint, from which trade can rise or fall 2% on any given day."

05:27

*

Hasimir prods the flakey dsl

05:27

sauna to the snow?

05:27

Hasimir

yeah, that was it (well, that and ZNC)

05:28

:)

05:30

commerxbank think they want into imf

05:30

shitstory

05:31

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8APYF0kkas

05:35

hasimar ass we see is what you say

05:35

BingoBoingo u still there m8

05:36

!up Vexual

05:36

*all

05:40

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/lenovo-announces-powerhouse-laptops-powered-by-new-mobile-xeon-processors/

05:40

Lenovo announces powerhouse laptops powered by new mobile Xeon processors | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1El20ol )

05:41

(with ECC ram)

05:43

http://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2015/08/10/computer-scientists-have-looked-for-solution-that-doesn-exist/tXO0qNRnbKrClfUPmavifK/story.html

05:43

For 40 years, computer scientists looked for a solution that doesn’t exist - The Boston Globe ... ( http://bit.ly/1El28EC )

05:47

Interesting article.

05:50

i find it hard to swallow

06:00

in any aother system you might find a maximum efficiency

06:04

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVMnQ1ypjmY

06:07

!up Vexual

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06:27

!up muruc

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06:54

[HAVELOCK] [DIRECT] 597 @ 0.00208192 = 1.2429 BTC [+]

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07:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3915 @ 0.00058919 = 2.3067 BTC [-] {2}

07:25

sooo, i got a rather amusing internal report from reddit. it would seem that

07:27

a) very few entries actually get > 100 upvotes. as in, it's happened twice so far this year. b) the number of negative votes exceeds the positive by a degree of magnitude or more on average, and regularly by two degrees on "popular" items. when this doesn't happen it's always obscure stories with one or two votes.

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O.o

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c) to cope with this situations the admins universally make up random vote counts ; d) to cope with the shortage of manpower this causes all sorts of exponential factorizations are used, which means that in practice a story is first "fast tracked" which means some admin ticks a box and from there on it gets all sorts of factors and additions

07:28

e) the system is pretty byzantine so that admins regularly can not predict what the results of their choices will actually be

07:31

f) they tried all sorts of experimental "harness the negative votes" but nothing could be made to werk

07:32

and finally g) they've been bleeding people from engineering at an ever accelerating rate since 2010 (or earlier) and by now it's so bad people leave during the first three months as a regular occurence. they briefly and unsuccessfully tried the "pay more" approach, it didn't do much, currently they've practically given up on the problem altogether.

07:34

along with all sorts of personally damning tidbits and a treasure trove of all sorts of lols.

07:34

welll... no, not really "all sorts". "autistic usian" sorts.

07:36

reddit is doomed to go the way of digg

07:37

amusingly enough, no, because apparently all sorts of people (who otherwise have no money and no influence, which is to say - their inept choices ands valuations have stranded them irl) think it's incredibly important and valuable!

07:38

Conde Nast I guess feels the need to dump resources into it.

07:38

these'd be all sorts of self-described activists, which in any other place'd be known as "political arivists" except this doesn't apply because they're actually too fat/lazy/lost in self to even have ambitions.

07:39

i suspect it's alltogether more layered laziness, such as, "if i give up the delusion that my activity on the rickety house of cards we call reddit matters, i will have to find other work to do as part of my being politically important, which is hard and risks requiring me looking up from the tablet or going out of starbucks. so let's instead pretend."

07:40

in any case, reddit's gonna die its own, livejournal-y sort of death. digg iirc died when it crashed against a thick brick wall of "nobody cares".

07:41

You recall correctly.

07:49

Anyone here used vee as a blogging platform ?

07:50

nop

07:50

Comes pre-installed on my NetBSD shell. May give it a whirl sometimes.

07:59

mats the true question is whether this is a test run and they hit it again more to the tune of 30-40% later in the year.

07:59

it's one way to fix their major capital allocation issues / bad provincial govt "investment" / valuable real estate on paper etc.

08:00

the most relevant part of all this to bitcoin being that price stickiness (principally, the stubborn refusal of old people to admit that real estate they once bought is not now worth what they paid for it) may very well require inflation as the best social solution.

08:01

by a damned sight better than say, beatings. and it's altogether unclear an alternative to these exists.

08:01

balzac's french contemporaries (who were on the napoleon gold standard) pretty much used the beatings, which did make for great literature but really a rather miserable society.

08:03

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234457 << greatly helped by the fact that said central bank is both the world's largest holder of domestic currency as well as the various foreign currency. it has more dollars than the fed, for instance.

08:03

Logged on 11-08-2015 06:06:57; mats: funkenstein_: how else? central bank carefully and regularly buys and sells it in domestic forex market

08:03

due to that position, the yuan's simply worth whatever the fuck they say it's worth.

08:05

"In the future, everyone has a war machine, nobody wears seatbelts and everyone tries to be as flammable as possible. Damn right."

08:06

is this guy from utah or something ?

08:07

and re charlize theron : i get it, chicks not really able to act, but is very pretty, so she's going to do either porn or action movies (which really aren't in any sense distinct). makes sense. what doesn't make sense is this bodily self-loathing hot women in hollywood seem to have gotten into the past few years.

08:08

angelina jolie is following the psychotic body mod trends of every zsa zsa gabor since the 50s, except she's not lifting her skin to the point her bellybutton adorns her chin, instead she's taking out her ovaries, the fat in her tits and i suppose putting in an armenian unibrow next, because hey.

08:08

feminity is bad mkay!

08:10

the unholy alliance of the pretty airhead and the horde of self-loathing hamplanets where the latter convince the former that they should grind their face on sandpaper and cut off her nipples because the ugliest she gets, the "better"

08:10

craaaazy.

08:15

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234466 << at no point did afrifail central bank EVER buy its own worthless paper.

08:15

Logged on 11-08-2015 06:10:44; funkenstein_: mats, ok.. but isn't that what zimbabwe central bank did too?

08:15

*

shinohai tosses his pogoplug in the garbage disposal, gives up on stupid arm processors and cross-compiling.

08:15

;/

08:17

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234471 << i have nfi what the guy is on about, sort-of like "oh, so nasa launched a satellite ? isn't that what the nazis did too ???" no, it isn't, and wtf.

08:17

Logged on 11-08-2015 06:14:27; mats: funkenstein_: I don't know specifics of ZWD collapse, but let's say yes, so what?

08:20

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234470 << in its own mind the us is always going to be firstest bestest. it ends as the twerps in question die out, britannia also thought itself first bestsest 4evar!! all through the 30s, and the 40s, and the 50s (remember the humiliation they and the french got in egypt, bested by sadat ?) and so on. it died meanwhile through the biological process of, "the old people

08:20

Logged on 11-08-2015 06:14:18; pete_dushenski: china's been the biggest for what, 5 years ?

08:20

stubbornly refusing to admit that ideological estate they once bought is not now worth what they paid for it eventually die"

08:21

come to think about it, all the things "we" dislike about postmodernism, specifically the deluge of cultural artefacts (ideas, as opposed to [civilisational] artefacts, ie items) may well be the unavoidably necessary equivalent to inflation, to wash away the idiocy of these guys without having to beat them up/

08:22

Shitty old AMD laptop: 1, Shiny pogo: 0

08:22

otherwise you'll get "brownstone is the best stone" and "american ideas must prevail everywhere" endlessly.

08:23

shinohai maybe i don't understand crosscompilation, but a) shouldn't it work on pogo if you ever got it to compile/link anywhere ? and b) wasn't the idea to avoid compiling for the pogo ON THE POGO anyway ?

08:24

I tried with the pogotron instructions, have read hours upon hours about buildroot, tried writing my own build scripts, etc. Nothing.

08:25

Compiling ON the pogo is pointless.

08:25

le suck.

08:26

I have yet to find anyone willing to let me peek at their buildlog that *has* sucessfully done this.

08:26

So x86_64 for me.

08:27

Which btw I am at height 109638 on the one we built this weekend past. Runs good.

08:28

*209638

08:38

uh.

08:38

shinohai what build is this, rotor ?

08:39

yup

08:40

prefixing LC_ALL=C is a bit annoying, but not a dealbreaker

08:40

would someone who managed this please post logs ?

08:40

iirc in the end hanbot did at the very least.

08:40

shinohai what's needed, the buildlog ?

08:40

hanbot compiled pogo ? O.o

08:41

Yes a buildlog, any relevant notes someone can include.

08:41

iirc she did manage rotor yest ?

08:41

i think all this is coming. like, this week.

08:41

I'm not below doing my own research but this one has me totally stumped.

08:42

*

shinohai retrieves his pogo from the disposal and puts it back on the shelf.

08:49

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.0006085 = 10.3141 BTC [+]

08:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34650 @ 0.00058919 = 20.4154 BTC [-] {3}

09:01

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3193440/Heavily-armed-Oath-Keepers-inject-new-unease-riot-hit-Ferguson.html

09:01

Armed patriot Oath Keepers patrol streets of Ferguson with assault rifles | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1DK83rO )

09:04

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234638 << and not posted on trilema because ...

09:04

Logged on 11-08-2015 11:34:10; mircea_popescu: along with all sorts of personally damning tidbits and a treasure trove of all sorts of lols.

09:06

asciilifeform not THAT reliable.

09:06

moreover, trilema is not a news rag, it's a personal blog.

09:06

well then dpaste.

09:07

or wherever unreliable things go.

09:07

watching the rats scramble in their denials would be lulzy.

09:08

yeah, but also... notrly the best approach

09:08

if wikileaks has taught us anything.

09:10

keeping the death ray rusting in its holster is also not the best approach, as demonstrated by the nonwiki-leaks

09:11

this ain't no kind of deathray. the (incidentally : verifiable) maybe-deathray-esque parts are above in any case.

09:11

was gonna say

09:11

if they use deterministic diddles, hypothesis is testable.

09:11

but needs max detail.

09:11

apparently there's about a dozen or two diddle "profiles"

09:11

even so.

09:11

and apparently they all are linear functions, ie a+bx

09:12

like the nsa/echelon thing, this is something that just about everyone 'will have always known' after it blows

09:12

all one needs to do is keep screenshots over fixed time intervals. eventually the data should be indicative.

09:12

where eventually = maybe months ?

09:12

aha.

09:13

asciilifeform doh.

09:13

just lolling in advance over it

09:14

anyway imho the full text oughta be posted. but it's mircea_popescu's death ray, not mine.

09:14

perhaps he wants to let enemy draw in before firing.

09:16

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234652 << how the hell does inflation dekulakize old farts with real estate? if anything, does the exact opposite.

09:16

Logged on 11-08-2015 12:00:46; mircea_popescu: the most relevant part of all this to bitcoin being that price stickiness (principally, the stubborn refusal of old people to admit that real estate they once bought is not now worth what they paid for it) may very well require inflation as the best social solution.

09:16

500k cardboard hovels in us suburbia are creations of inflation

09:16

asciilifeform how do you reason ?

09:16

hehe. but they should have been 2x that, without it.

09:16

will be 2x next year

09:17

yes, real estate allows them to "profit" from inflation, in the sense of being taxed at 30% instead of 65%

09:17

this is not unlike the idiot jews in ghetto taking jobs for germans.

09:17

without it they'd cost what they cost in 1971 or whenever built

09:17

mno.

09:17

not at all.

09:17

why not

09:17

this is beyond naive.

09:17

because the context has changed. in 1971 a lot of schmucks knew their place.

09:18

that do not know it today.

09:18

chiefly through the process of, the world of 1971 not being worth two shits in the terms of today.

09:19

thought it was the reverse ?

09:19

(how many current 'engineers' could pass 1971 exam? etc)

09:19

that's the conundrum.

09:19

see, admire the beauty of it. how much would an ipad be worth in 1971 ?

09:20

much enough that it was put in fucking star trek, right ?

09:20

actually the folks of '71 would cry if shown one

09:20

the entire "apple stock could buy russia" is nothing more and nothing else than, "you could probably buy all of 1971"

09:20

'this ought to have been in '78'

09:20

lol

09:21

alan kay described a device vastly superior, 'dynabook', that he proposed could be built in only a few years from the time of writing

09:21

he assumed that men would remain equally capable while si fab advances

09:21

im sure some uppity redskin proposed the steam engine, too.

09:21

you know ?

09:22

let's put it this way

09:22

at one point i bought an 'hp 200lx', 'palmtop'. vastly superior to ~anything~ in that device class made since

09:22

1994.

09:23

find me something else with a keyboard that will run on two 'aa' battery for a MONTH

09:23

MOTHERFUCKERS

09:23

no such thing

09:24

aha.

09:24

and yet...

09:24

so no, i highly doubt that you would properly astonish an educated man of 1971 with ~anything~ seen today

09:24

other than the decay and degeneracy

09:24

what educated ? i'm not selling to the educated.

09:25

if selling to muppets, can find plenty today

09:25

you understand ? the society of 1971 is just as broken as this one, but not actually raped yet.

09:25

huge profits could be driven by raping it from the future.

09:25

this is the plot for 1,001 cheap 'alt history' yarns, aha.

09:25

which is the point. the "1971 educated man" does not yet know he's an imbecile.

09:25

au contraire, he expects himself quite smart.

09:25

except that they usually feature 1871

09:26

yet the continuation of his imbecility is exactly 2015.

09:26

or 1671, more commonly.

09:26

it's not like the aliens came in and made the country stupid.

09:26

this was a convenient excuse in romania, "things went to shit because teh russians are making us do it !111"

09:26

rrrrrheally nao.

09:26

who invaded the us ?

09:27

massachusetts!

09:27

who else.

09:27

so - without inflation they'd still be around, derping on, as if their ideas and values are valuable and useful.

09:27

looky where they lead.

09:27

would they?

09:27

or would they get 'goxed'

09:27

but that's the goxing - inflation.

09:27

there is more than one way for idiots to lose everything

09:27

or rather, the hounds driving them into goxing

09:27

spain lost its gold.

09:27

through real estate or w/e

09:28

and not because anyone made more gold.

09:28

but because the anglos made ipads.

09:28

which were utter pieces of shit, btw, and what you said above could have been said by italian "educated man" of the time,

09:28

about the time's trinkets.

09:28

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234654 << what the hell is wrong with beatings?

09:28

Logged on 11-08-2015 12:01:47; mircea_popescu: balzac's french contemporaries (who were on the napoleon gold standard) pretty much used the beatings, which did make for great literature but really a rather miserable society.

09:28

heck, the same thing was said by educated men of the opium

09:28

beat, beat

09:28

so ?

09:29

i say it today, and the conclave of derps is like "hey, mp is just silly, drugs are great mkay"

09:29

fine, fine, haveityourway.

09:29

asciilifeform beating old people is a bad idea.

09:29

why?

09:30

in young people and especially young women it is how the fucxk do you say this in english

09:30

timeout while i research my words lol.

09:31

*

asciilifeform admits he rather ~likes~ old people, even most of'em to whom he isn't related by blood, for much the same reason he likes museums

09:32

*

asciilifeform still often finds himself walking past these folks, with their enormous houses owned free and clear merely for having been alive 40 years earlier, and thinks 'hm, kulaks'

09:33

страдание поучительно

09:33

there we go.

09:33

we did this iirc

09:33

there's great benefit from toil in youth.

09:33

yeah meanwhile i remember.

09:33

that benefit doth not exist in old people.

09:33

didn't say they ought to be beaten educationally

09:33

they just get sad, and the whole world grows dimmer.

09:33

just eaten.

09:33

meh.

09:35

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234667 << patience

09:35

Logged on 11-08-2015 12:15:34; *: shinohai tosses his pogoplug in the garbage disposal, gives up on stupid arm processors and cross-compiling.

09:35

Later on down I did get it back out.

09:36

shinohai: see, i'd post a full recipe and signed binaries today, but we don't quite yet have a pogo-capable - that is, non-ramguzzling - bitcoind

09:36

needs two things, 1) hard mempool limiter 2) block index cache moved to disk

09:36

(both discussed in the logs on several occasions)

09:37

the ~existing~ therealbitcoin can run on pogo, yes, if you enable swapping. but just barely. and imho we don't need a thousand more 'just barely' nodes.

09:38

I did swap when I tried it w/ the precompiled binary.

09:38

precompiled binaries are boring tho. I don't learn anything.

09:38

shinohai: i think the last one built for pogo ~actually leaks~.

09:38

don't use it

09:38

It does

09:39

which is why I am using my spare lappy now

09:39

shinohai: you somehow botched the buildroot. i do not yet know how. when i post mine you can compare

09:39

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234663 << ancient idea, at least as old as the legendary amazons

09:39

Logged on 11-08-2015 12:10:01; mircea_popescu: the unholy alliance of the pretty airhead and the horde of self-loathing hamplanets where the latter convince the former that they should grind their face on sandpaper and cut off her nipples because the ugliest she gets, the "better"

09:40

'get manly by getting ugly'

09:40

sure, but detrimental.

09:40

no shit.

09:40

*

mircea_popescu muchly prefers his manly women be manly intellectually.

09:40

^^^

09:40

admittedly harder to do. actually works tho.

09:41

an ugly shitsack's not more manly than the dumpster.

09:42

but seen side by side, illustrates why some go for mutilation

09:42

when 'manly via intellect' is not on the menu!

09:42

(which reminds me : i once dropped the "how tall are you ? really ?! my god, i didn't know they stacked shit that high" on model chick. great lols were had.)

09:44

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234671 << latest generation will 'us is greatest' on account of 'greatest communism' - word is that clitler is running on platform of 'phreeee uni tuition for all plankton'

09:44

Logged on 11-08-2015 12:20:12; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234470 << in its own mind the us is always going to be firstest bestest. it ends as the twerps in question die out, britannia also thought itself first bestsest 4evar!! all through the 30s, and the 40s, and the 50s (remember the humiliation they and the french got in egypt, bested by sadat ?) and so on. it died meanwhile through the biological process o

09:44

there is no way to avoid that. if I ran my platform would also include free university for everyone.

09:44

the us has painted itself in a corner and there's simply no way out no matter how you approach the matter.

09:45

"The Southern Poverty Law Center, a non-profit civil rights organization, has described the 'Oath Keepers' as a 'fiercely anti-government, militaristic group,' and St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar condemned their appearance in Ferguson."

09:45

so what about this is a bad thing then ?

09:45

mircea_popescu: the original story with these is that they were simply a group of officers who... took an oath

09:45

Pisses off the black activists something awful.

09:46

that'd be their problem eh ?

09:46

it being, that they will not fire on u.s. folk, no matter who orders it

09:46

but obviously it would. their entire shtick relies on the same "but seen side by side, illustrates why some go for mutilation".

09:46

for the entire nonsense to work, ordinary people must perforce perceive there is "nothing else on the meny"

09:47

otherwise, in an open market, the "activist" is middling to low tier camwhore.

09:47

asciilifeform problem being that who are they going to fire on then

09:47

http://thenextweb.com/opinion/2015/08/11/oracle-drinking-the-kool-aid/ << mega-lol

09:47

Oracle's CSO thinks the company doesn't need security help ... ( http://bit.ly/1DFZRZO )

09:47

mircea_popescu: they haven't run out of untermenschen to 'conquer' at this point quite yet

09:48

https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3ghlh4/i_switched_to_bitcoinxt_to_protest_today_incident/ctyft4v

09:48

creditmoney comments on "I switched to bitcoinxt to protest today incident" … "Do it because it's good for Bitcoin" ... ( http://bit.ly/1DFZX3I )

09:48

^ best comment of all

09:48

they have run out of softer targets. there's no "untermenschen" they COULD conquer

09:48

there are the obvious ones

09:48

their own command.

09:48

even if the untermenschen were all on vacation leaving the unterwomenschen behind and the doors open

09:49

"I'll ask your opinion on it again next time you have a transaction you need to process in a hurry and the mempool is 5 MB."

09:49

uhh.,... what, "and i'll spend a quarter and not have a problem" ?

09:49

nah that'd be racist or something

09:50

what of all the poor starving hurrying people who don't have quarterz

09:50

etc

09:50

...

09:50

and then you want clinton to do anything but make it free ?

09:50

"what do you mean pay"

09:51

"I disagree that I should have to pay in bitcoin or cpu time to get what I want."

09:52

mircea_popescu: see, i've always been sympathetic to 'sure let's warehouse people while energy is cheap and we don't need to plow by hand' - because i always fukcinghated work.

09:52

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234588 <-- just like reddit / imperial elections / box office stats / etc, no means of verification of vote or claimed rating is available to the user. Draw your own conclusions.

09:52

Logged on 11-08-2015 09:09:36; shinohai: http://www.bitvoat.com/

09:52

but it isn't like i can personally do my thing in the warehouse

09:53

not sure where this is coming/going ?

09:53

clitler's 'phree'

09:53

I drew my conclusion funkenstein_ it promotes dogecoin so scummy

09:53

i object to it on account of being among the designated chumps who will have to starve to pay for the 'phree'

09:53

i suppose the sticking point is that you for some reason project unrelated matter on it.

09:54

they will call it "university"

09:54

but in point of fact no higher learning has happened in the us in two decades at least.

09:54

so... no. it's adult daycare.

09:54

and yes you'll have to pay for adult healthcare. doh.

09:55

this comes with the territory, living in the united states of kindergarten.

09:55

well not exactly. the folks on the other side of the fence get to eat phree, rather than pay.

09:56

they also live here.

09:57

meanwhile...

09:57

http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/553307AFE540EF3E57BB4D3558C9C7FA88F2C4B81CBCB9F5ADEF116B4055E582

09:57

lol, this is so funny. looky :

09:57

gcd==357; __test__ <__test__@ribble.cn>

09:57

^ wtf

09:57

they're the negro slaves of the new, certifiedly non-racist regime. they, just like the previous negro slaves, eat "for free". in exchange, they may not own property, have no disposition of their bodies, and have to do "work"

09:58

the work they currently do is about as economically useful as handpickingf cotton, for the record.

09:58

happy now ? you live in the best world possible.

09:58

thing is, i already... own no property; have no disposition of body; and do 'work'

09:58

so ?

09:58

where's the 'eat for phree'

09:59

you know, the little discussed secrtet, is that at the time "blacks were enslaved", poor, independent minded whites lived in just about the same conditions throughout the slaveowning states.

09:59

discussed extensively

09:59

and not 'same conditions' - minus the expectations and beatings, no ?

10:00

materially - same,yes

10:00

materially same, yes.

10:00

it's what you were saying innit.

10:04

Did not the Ottomans enslave whites as well?

10:05

the arabs and the turks preferred black men for labour and white women for ... belabour.

10:06

which is why "arap" in romanian means black, in the sense of negro slave. because the turks called them "arabs"

10:07

this, incidentally, has survived, a proper thing to wish for the bride at wedding throughout musliv world is "may your kids be light skinned"

10:07

I can see why if all they got were the same whiny white Xstians we have here in the US today.

10:09

well... white people can't jump or something.

10:14

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234912 << this was the ru parlance as late as the time of peter I.

10:14

Logged on 11-08-2015 14:06:11; mircea_popescu: which is why "arap" in romanian means black, in the sense of negro slave. because the turks called them "arabs"

10:15

aha

10:15

e.g., this fella: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%BB,_%D0%90%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC_%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87

10:15

Ганнибал, Абрам Петрович — Википедия ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHwMd4 )

10:15

;;google Harap Alb

10:15

Harap Alb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harap_Alb>; The White Moor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Moor>; De-as fi Harap Alb (1965) The White Moor [English subtitles ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbtyxNSqBsQ>

10:15

^ super-famous literary work, title works on the contradiction of "White Negro Slave"

10:16

and moor is nonsense. it literally means "the white nigger"

10:16

recorded in 1877. part of early school curricula all through early 90s

10:17

from the l0ltrons: http://web.tampabay.com/news/business/tampa-man-accused-of-illegal-bitcoin-exchange-getting-attention-in-new-york/2240829

10:17

Tampa man accused of illegal Bitcoin exchange getting attention in New York | Tampa Bay Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHx7MY )

10:17

in any case. the "slave" sense is more marked than the "black" sense in there.

10:17

mircea_popescu, do you know why white people can't jump?

10:17

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT2z0nrsQ8o <<< My entire knowledge of Russian history in one song

10:18

Rasputin vs Stalin. Epic Rap Battles of History Season 2 finale. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHxcQJ )

10:18

becaues too busy telling racist jokes

10:18

i dunno, bird jumped alright back in the day

10:18

lol i thought this was a black culture theme ?

10:19

:)

10:20

I just read great book "of water and the spirit". Dagara youth taken by French missionaries, when he returns he is "too white" to be part of his villiage, forgot his language, etc.

10:20

funkenstein_ i'm very vaguely following the black culture stuff, mostly on the grounds that i don't believe it is sterile / doesn't carry much import. so i have nfi. but srsly, you saying the theme is really projected rather than locally brewed ?

10:20

i do believe it's sterile*

10:23

i just can't really follow because it seems the terms are not clear.

10:24

the expression "white men can't jump", as an artefact, which it is. comes, as far as i know, from actual black people, as a local creation. like the word "trayvon". not from white people, as a projection.

10:25

like the word "negro"

10:25

nah, they are just being racists.

10:26

bloody hell now i'm going to have to look into this.

10:27

probably not worth your time.

10:28

what ever is.

10:28

https://rya.nc/cracking_cryptocurrency_brainwallets.pdf

10:29

... ( http://bit.ly/1IxUvMI )

10:29

lol :) I absolutely recommend the book though, Malidoma Patrice Somé is the author

10:36

top keks: https://zippy.gfycat.com/VillainousVengefulGrassspider.webm

10:36

... ( http://bit.ly/1IHAjIi )

~ 55 minutes ~

11:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12514 @ 0.00059068 = 7.3918 BTC [+]

11:40

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00059229 = 13.978 BTC [+]

~ 39 minutes ~

12:20

!up ascii_field

12:25

https://cryptome.org/2015/08/nsa-sigint-philo-intercept-15-0810.pdf ( http://dpaste.com/127S00C ) << lulzy

12:26

dpaste: 127S00C ... ( http://bit.ly/1P47c5Z )

12:26

^ 'SIGINT Philosopher'

12:27

^ the paste is incomplete

12:27

some of the text did not ocr

12:28

jump to line 428 lol

12:28

hey, if i build rotor-TEST2 on say gentoo, and someone else builds the same whole thing on debian, we get the same number of output bytes in the bin, but the checksums are different, seem to be some offset differences.

12:28

is this expected?

12:28

mod6: vbindiff

12:28

and see why

12:29

(embedded path turds)

12:29

these need to die, yes

12:32

neat tool.

12:34

seems to be some opcode diffs, i.e. deb 0x25 always is changed out for gentoo 0x12 ...

12:35

things like that

12:35

objdump -d

12:35

and diff

12:35

and srsly do i have to do everything myself

12:36

eh cmon.

12:36

'If we determine as part of our analysis that scan results could only have come from reverse engineering (in at least one case, because the report said, cleverly enough, “static analysis of Oracle XXXXXX”), we send a letter to the sinning customer, and a different letter to the sinning consultant-acting-on-customer’s behalf – reminding them of the terms of the Oracle license agreement that preclude

12:36

reverse engineering, So Please Stop It Already.' << glorious

12:37

I knew you'd like it :)

12:37

to borrow mircea_popescu's observation from last year, these folks are just ~begging~ to be boiled in oil

12:38

this is the protocols of the elders of nsa.

12:38

tr0lfake ?

12:38

myeah.

12:38

<+ascii_field> and srsly do i have to do everything myself << i might not be viewing the differences correctly .. so what I said above might not be correct.

12:39

mod6: nah prolly correct

12:39

disasm and diff, betcha it'll make a good blog post

12:39

why is mircea_popescu convinced that the oracle thing is a sham ?

12:40

btw, it might please you to find that in the woirld simulation that is eulora, licensing agreements appeared within the first month.

12:40

the economy wiggled out of command state by the 9th

12:41

ascii_field i was speaking re previous dpaste.

12:41

ah

12:41

as i understand, it is a snowden turd

12:41

which is to say, from the bottom of the pile, were it sorted

12:41

like ~all of them~

12:41

the ant catalogue ('godsurge' etc) ~wasn't~ from snowden

12:42

*

mircea_popescu hasn't seen it, is unsure of origin.

12:42

the rest of the idiocy - typical, like the sample

12:43

mircea_popescu: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216011

12:43

Logged on 29-07-2015 03:51:50; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: circumstantial; based on out-of-phase release time, and the content (uncensored) and formatting (full text memos, with technical detail, rather than idiot powerpoint)

12:44

ok, yeah offsets, not opcodes:

12:44

- 40259e: 48 81 ff 50 25 ac 00 cmp $0xac2550,%rdi

12:44

+ 40259e: 48 81 ff 50 12 ac 00 cmp $0xac1250,%rdi

12:44

that kinda 25 <=> 12 happens a bunch

12:45

'Q. Why are you going after consultants the customer hired? The consultant didn’t sign the license agreement! A. The customer signed the Oracle license agreement, and the consultant hired by the customer is thus bound by the customer’s signed license agreement. Otherwise everyone would hire a consultant to say (legal terms follow) “Nanny, nanny boo boo, big bad consultant can do X even if the customer can’t!”'

12:45

^ gold

12:45

"More like, "I do not need you to analyze the code since we already do that, it's our job to do that, we are pretty good at it, we can -- unlike a third party or a tool -- actually analyze the code to determine what's happening and at any rate most of these tools have a close to 100 percent false positive rate so please do not waste our time on reporting little green men in our code. I am not running away from our resp

12:45

onsibilities to customers, merely trying to avoid a painful, annoying, and mutually-time wasting exercise," the CSO writes.

12:45

https://web.archive.org/web/20150811090106/https://blogs.oracle.com/maryanndavidson/entry/no_you_really_can_t

12:45

No, You Really Can’t (Mary Ann Davidson Blog) ... ( http://bit.ly/1P4bhHl )

12:45

there you go, that's your "professionals".

12:45

still with that boat ?

12:45

these are turds with two legs

12:45

aka 'american business experts'

12:45

heh. says who ?

12:46

but lulzy at the legal nonsense they're sprouting. my consultant can do whatever the fuck he pleases.

12:46

says my lying nose

12:46

i'll post the diff so you can take a peek when you have a chance ascii_field

12:46

you can claim im still responsible for it.

12:46

but he - isn't.

12:46

mod6: neat

12:47

mircea_popescu: these folks are at the stage where they openly expect to be able to use law as lettre de cachet

12:47

not caring really about technicalities

12:48

i'm at the same phase.

12:48

when you break something, it is broken for everyone

12:48

sorta how it works

12:48

heh i guess so.

12:49

btw in case this wasn't obvious, the original article is memoryholed into oblivion

12:50

nobody disclaimed the idiocies, but oracle would like to pretend that no one said them in a single convenient place.

12:50

well you wouldn't expect them to keep the record.

12:51

incidentally - the attitude towards stuff like this is becoming the premiere marker of dishonest folk.

12:51

!up ascii_field

12:51

does it have an "acceptable use policy" ? it's a bunch of scumbags.

12:51

do they delete so and so ? fuck em.

12:52

see the 'nationalist' thread

12:52

they thought they finally got their wet dream

12:52

editable history

12:52

yeah. it's the clear mark of the "nationalist", aka socialist, libertard - generally speaking idiot.

12:52

in the age of newsprint, this was messy, unreliable

12:52

he whose personality is entirely fictitious has trouble groking the permanence of reality.

12:53

ascii_field: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/rotor-bitcoind-TEST2-debian8-vs-gentoo-objdumps-20150811.txt

12:53

"we could call it something else" "so you could" "that'd matter right ?" "no."

12:54

mod6: i can tell immediately that most of it is displacement

12:54

- 400163:e8 ed eb 39 00 callq 0x79ed55 + 400163:e8 ef eb 39 00 callq 0x79ed57

12:54

they all seem one byte offset sort of things like this.

12:54

e.g., cmp 0x407451(%rip),%rdi vs cmp 0x4074d1(%rip),%rdi

12:54

aha

12:54

is this a int encoding problem or something ?

12:54

mircea_popescu also has good eyes

12:54

mircea_popescu: no, it is what i said before

12:54

string in there somewhere

12:54

with a local path

12:54

oh

12:54

because gcc is dripping with idiocy

12:54

right. makes sense

12:54

it wants to be ms vs now

12:54

and embeds 'identifiables'

12:55

heh

12:55

what do we do!

12:56

a) scrub with a broom

12:56

b) wait for me to write auto-scrubber

12:56

^ not priority

12:56

but it won't run will it ?

12:56

it runs

12:57

why the hell wouldn't it run

12:57

k nm me

12:57

naturally shit gotta be scrubbed prior to linking

12:58

soo...

12:58

lol

13:03

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234555 << i was reading a "book" written by some romanian twerp who thinks himself famous (stand up comedian / singer), sent to me by retired whore (really, if you whore and can't retire by 25 or so, you're too stupid to live) of my generation, for the purpose of "see mr p, i told you the kids are fucktarded". ie, kids, the next set.

13:03

Logged on 11-08-2015 08:41:27; shinohai: No one wants to *do* anything BingoBoingo, they like instant validation you get by repeating whatever someone says on r/bitcoin now.

13:04

holy shit is the thing stupid. paragraphs have visible training wheels on them

13:04

"ambrosia" is explained in the text, because for retards.

13:04

that said, i can admire the guy for taking the time to do what really amounts to daycare for mentally retarded adults. but the thing itself is in-fucking-credible.

13:05

the whole thing reads like literotica is too advanced now, and it needs rewriting in simpler words with simplified story arcs.

13:06

and with better reinforcement throughout reinforcement throughout hello there, how goes it, we were talking about story arcs, you know, like bows hehehe, but reinforced throguhout throughout reinforced ps. this was a paragraph, and you read it well done !

13:07

i am guessing romanian will have to move to a 3 to 4 letters per word mode soon or else it may go out of print.

13:07

or they could switch to english aha

13:07

rite.

13:07

rait

13:08

you know if i ever impregnate an isis fighter i'ma name her kid Rite Rait Al'Right.

13:08

(btw, if your oral english is your slave not your master, your reading of the name distinguishes the three phonemes. because they are fucking distinct in english omfg)

13:09

wright right rite

13:10

the right-honorable baron rite rait al-right!

13:11

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22159 @ 0.00060849 = 13.4835 BTC [+] {3}

13:12

Mateusz Kopeć ? whossat.

13:12

ah random mod of obscure sub-alt-reddit mkay.

13:14

"I have been putting up ads on backpage letting people know I can teach about and sell them bitcoin.

13:14

I got a lot of responses, but you know what? I now understand why all of these women are hookers and i don't feel bad for them in the least. They are aggressive, flaky and dont want to understand what is happening around them. All I have been getting is women asking me for free bitcoin to buy their "medication". Its life and death apparently.

13:14

I have yet to sell a single satoshi."

13:14

this goes not-so-badly with the earlier link of dooglus' attempt to resurect the mpoe-pr visits the whore forum thing.

13:15

i have no idea why anglos have conflated whoredom and beggary.

13:15

it's not unlike conflating computer programming and autism, or bewing the runt in a family litter and being the politician.

13:15

both things they've also done.

13:15

why does anglo conflate so much and so stupidly ? is it because the 3-4 letter words universe ?

13:16

mircea_popescu: it is because, proximately, they picked the 'make'em stupid' school of mass management

13:16

as far back as 18th c

13:16

nah, this was the case way WAY before.

13:17

italian whores were accomplished throughout, like japanese whores.

13:17

english whores were mostly retarded, like chinese whores.

13:17

(notable exceptions, here and there, which shows it's not racial but fashio-cultural and fucktardinal)

13:17

possibly because ~their~ ruling class was... straight

13:17

italians ? straight ?! those rotinculo ? dun make me laugh, i might fart myself.

13:19

was mostly thinking of jp

13:19

in any case : the "many users" problem doesn't even need to be approached at the "hey, we need their spam allowed in the blocks more".

13:19

the bigger problem is that bitcoin coallesces. they won't HAVE any.

13:20

already happened, no ?

13:20

99.x%.

13:20

going for 99.999999999999999999

13:20

going for the mircea_popescu-and-five-phriends model ?

13:21

(fwiw that easily works..)

13:21

;;calc 5*10**9 * (100-99.999999999999999999)/100

13:21

0

13:21

not even.

13:22

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234606 << the innovation of fixing by midpoint is actually quite commandable.

13:22

Logged on 11-08-2015 09:27:34; punkman: they gotta manage everything "The midpoint for the yuan is now set at 6.2298 to $1, up from 6.1162 yuan on Monday. The People's Bank of China (POBC) manages the rate through the official midpoint, from which trade can rise or fall 2% on any given day."

13:23

historically people have tried min/maxing it

13:23

!up ascii_field

13:33

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234568 << that was mircea_popescu actually

13:33

Logged on 11-08-2015 08:56:46; BingoBoingo: When the last pre-0.8 wedge came through I suspected it was a BDB issue but alf was the one to euthanize it at the root.

13:33

(see logz)

13:36

https://i.imgur.com/mxGoWZ7.jpg

13:36

... ( http://bit.ly/1WfNQjG )

13:37

hm isn't that ray cis ?

13:37

ascii_field: Ah

13:39

"The Trotskyist is AGAINST Stalin just as the Communist is FOR him, and, like the majority of Communists, he wants not so much to alter the external world as to feel that the battle for prestige is going in his own favour."

13:40

heh. i suppose the widespread metanonsense is why people are so lost when confronted with groups utterly disinterested in prestige,

13:40

and especially in prestige among them.

13:42

ok, im fucking rewriting this thing.

13:43

'Congress passed the Protect Act after the Supreme Court struck down a broader law prohibiting any visual depictions of minors engaged in sexual activity, including computer-generated imagery and other fakes. The high court ruled that the ban was too broad, and could cover legitimate speech, including Hollywood productions.

13:43

In response, the Protect Act narrows the prohibition to cover only depictions that the defendant’s community would consider “obscene.”' << vintage l0l

13:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13447 @ 0.0006085 = 8.1825 BTC [+]

13:43

do x in nyc, walk; do x in iowa - fed prison

13:43

( http://www.wired.com/2010/02/obscene-us-manga-collector-jailed-6-months )

13:43

... ( http://bit.ly/1WfP26J )

13:44

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33845 @ 0.0006085 = 20.5947 BTC [+]

~ 15 minutes ~

14:00

ben_vulpes: http://paste.lisp.org/display/152828#1 << read-sequence reads octets (i.e. unsigned bytes) into an array, so you want (make-array size :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)) and you also want to then explicitly convert an octet array into a string. later is implementation dependent (since concerns encodings, etc.), ccl has DECODE-STRING-FROM-OCTETS and sbcl OCTETS-TO-STRING, both support encodings. since version is ascii, a naive converte

14:00

... ( http://bit.ly/1HieixP )

14:00

r might look like (string-right-trim '(#\Null) (map 'string 'code-char command))

14:02

ben_vulpes: http://dpaste.com/2Q2YKDB << so we were poking at gernika yesterday and it looks like CS didn't fully build. i'll take a look at his "successful" cs build log today, and see what comes up

14:02

dpaste: 2Q2YKDB ... ( http://bit.ly/1Weoti3 )

14:02

*with gernika rather

14:04

!up ascii_field

14:05

https://twitter.com/addelindh/status/631040188010131456

14:06

LOLZ

14:08

obligatory >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2014#885689

14:08

Logged on 21-10-2014 01:30:35; asciilifeform: 'As progressively dumber programmers build progressively more complex systems we will see more of this kind of attempt to paper over coding mistakes with lawyers, sanctions, policies, and laws. Hollywood and the RIAA are usually the most successful at getting the government to do their bidding. Thus I predict that one day Disney will have a Web site where you can buy access to any of their movies.

~ 17 minutes ~

14:25

ascii_field: for people who'd like to build rotor w/stator or rotor w/TEST2 on i386/i686, is there anything special that they would need to do to this file? rotor_buildroot_dot_config

14:25

comment out: "BR2_ARCH_IS_64=y" ? and set "BR2_i386=y" +

14:26

a few places

14:26

see the pogotron one for example

14:26

oh ok will look thx.

14:37

!up ascii_field

~ 35 minutes ~

15:12

hanbot

shinohai: hanbot compiled pogo ? O.o << nein. have built stator "manually" as of last night, tho still need to verify runs as expected, after which will put together notes. have not pogo-ed, rotor trial to come. (ubuntu 10.04 32bit + mod6's gracious help)

15:13

:/

15:13

the new rotor script mod6 and I tried this weekend past is so easy a redditard could do it

15:14

despite a few initial hiccups

15:14

gofundme.com/gethanbota64bitcomputer

15:22

hanbot

hehe i have plenty. they're not available for testing stuff on. craptop, otoh....

15:24

I love craptops. I did buy 2 surplus lappys last year for btc tho

~ 44 minutes ~

16:08

lolz: https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3gk5ll/is_bitcoinxt_an_altcoin_or_a_forkcoin/ctyxvyw?context=3

16:08

Vibr8gKiwi comments on is BitcoinXT an altcoin (or a forkcoin) ... ( http://bit.ly/1L4sbHJ )

~ 15 minutes ~

16:24

maybe it's a sporkcoin

16:24

pointless, useless compromise

16:26

fluffypony

yeah shinohai

16:26

fluffypony

that thread is a trainwreck

16:27

Nary a shred of *actual logic (tm)* to be found.

16:29

scoopbot_revived

Implant ID Chips in Citizens Suggests Finnish Politician http://qntra.net/2015/08/implant-id-chips-in-citizens-suggests-finnish-politician/

16:30

Looks like they even got together and bribed cryptocoin "news" into pleading for them: https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/discussion-of-bitcoin-xt-banned-from-bitcoin-subreddit/

16:30

Discussion of Bitcoin-XT Banned from Bitcoin Subreddit - CCN: Financial Bitcoin & Cryptocurrency News ... ( http://bit.ly/1IX41Z4 )

16:32

!up ascii_field

16:32

"According to Pasi M??enranta because "the people" happily let Google and Facebook track them with smartphones there's no way this could be considered an invasion of privacy by citizens."

16:33

clearly the Nordic system is on the cutting edge, here.

16:33

shinohai: recent hearn (nsa) gambit. there's very little the amorphous masses love more than 'omg1111!!! censored!!'

16:33

^

16:33

I expect to hear in a few years how backward America is because we don't yet have the chip system.

16:34

which lucky nord (can we call'em nords?) will be the first to be carved up for his dog tag ?

16:34

(by some enterprising somali)

16:35

We don't need chips, nsa owns yer cellphones.

16:35

Every 'murican has one glued to them nearly 24/7

16:36

https://i.stack.imgur.com/zJvkc.jpg

16:36

... ( http://bit.ly/1IX5Cy0 )

16:36

^ 'what good is a phone call when you have no mouth' (tm) (r)

16:39

at any rate, the art of human collar-making has not stood still! iirc the saudis even hold a patent on proper bomb-n-shock-n-gps collar

16:40

with two-way voice, etc

16:40

like in the film 'deadlock' but moar internety.

16:42

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00058919 = 8.9557 BTC [-] {3}

16:43

also pictured in, iirc, film 'cloud atlas'

16:45

'cloud atlas' was 5/10

16:45

mentioned solely for the cattle collar

16:45

thestringpuller

did ascii_field just quote the matrix?

16:46

thestringpuller: linked picture was from it.

16:46

the scene where the robotic cockroach is implanted

16:46

thestringpuller

the last time I opened a link here at work was from MP and yea...awkward...

16:51

http://40.media.tumblr.com/38e117ae408fe1b76a31d0c7a94311a9/tumblr_mh7j07RM3D1r6e6ngo1_1280.jpg

16:51

... ( http://bit.ly/1DHhLLF )

16:54

I ... regret

16:54

meh, one on the right's got some weird going on with her actual equipment iirc

16:56

as in it's fake ?

16:56

Ouch >>> http://www.coindesk.com/gaw-miners-lawsuit-340k-default/

16:56

GAW Miners Lawsuit Ends With $340k Default Judgement ... ( http://bit.ly/1DHiP28 )

16:56

mircea_popescu: thought I saw a warty looking thing in a scene with her

16:56

forgot her name

16:56

this, my brain decided to file away for important moments such as now

16:58

i dunno who the fuck she is.

17:00

http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2015/04/12/hillary-clinton-good-for-white-feminism/

17:00

Hillary Clinton: Good for White Feminism, Bad for Racial Justice - racismreview.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DHjFfv )

17:00

"While many people are excited about the prospect of the first woman president, I think that a Hillary Clinton presidency will be another in a long series of triumphs for white, corporate feminism and defeats for racial justice."

17:01

For her part, noted feminist Gloria Steinem said (in 2008) that she supported Clinton over Barack Obama because, Black men were given the vote a half-century before women of any race were allowed to mark a ballot, and generally have ascended to positions of power, from the military to the boardroom, before any women

17:01

how the fuck is this stupid ass "noted" ?

17:01

"today i will drink mumm instead of cliquot, because german froth is so much later!"

17:03

!up ascii_field

17:05

"Katherine van Wormer Professor of Social Work University of Northern Iowa"

17:05

it is forbidden to have a course in nonsense.

17:05

tell it to usg

17:05

As for the lesser of two evils argument, I just have to quote from Ijeoma Oluo who was saying earlier:

17:05

Ijeoma Oluo ? srsly ?

17:06

https://t.co/rfr5pJiK93 << random internet fucktard begging page.

17:06

Support Ijeoma Oluo creating Words. Angry Words. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nokyt1 )

17:07

;;ud Aye Papi

17:07

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=aye+papi | aye papi. The new term, replacing "my ovaries," that sexually frustrated teenage girls use to describe a hot guy. Usually used on Twitter by Directioners.

17:08

i have never heard either used ?!

17:11

I have heard "papi" quite a bit, usually from Mexican escorts.

17:12

mircea_popescu: spiffy orwell remake btw

17:12

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38077 @ 0.00060006 = 22.8485 BTC [+]

17:23

does it work ?

17:23

shinohai that just means daddy

17:23

Oh I know what it means ;)

17:23

what's a directioner ?

17:23

Papi chulo, etc

17:24

Directioner? idk

17:24

boy band. 'One Direction'

17:24

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Directioner

17:24

Urban Dictionary: Directioner ... ( http://bit.ly/1NomJgc )

17:24

oh ^

17:25

every moronic thing has an "us" you can join these days

17:25

click here to join the burrito bandwagon!

17:28

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/11/us-iran-nuclear-kerry-idUSKCN0QG1V020150811 << do I detect Chinese pressure here?

17:28

Dollar could suffer if U.S. walks away from Iran deal: John Kerry| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1Non7LV )

17:32

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/traders-busted-after-enlisting-hackers-to-play-stock-market-to-net-100-million-2015-08-11 <<<lulzy too

17:32

Traders busted after enlisting hackers to play stock market to net $100 million - MarketWatch ... ( http://bit.ly/1h0Wpis )

17:33

but yes, he's right. obama has managed to put the us in the worst position of all

17:33

now it has to buy its foreign policy from iran ffs.

17:34

!up ascii_field

17:34

'Over five years, two computer hackers living in Ukraine broke into U.S. newswire services including Business Wire and PRNewswire and stole more than 100,000 press releases for publicly traded companies before their release. Those documents, which included earnings data, were distributed to a network of traders who used the advance knowledge to buy or sell securities based on how they anticipated the market would react to

17:34

the announcements, according to the Securities and Exchange Commission complaint.'

17:34

^ only loyal aryans may front-run!

17:34

The reality of the situation is that the U.S. dollar hasnt been this strong in decades. The thought that it could be replaced as a reserve currency is laughable at this point on a geopolitical basis and nothing in the Iran deal even remotely touches upon that issue, he added.

17:34

lulzy.

17:34

https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/M1SL

17:34

M1 Money Stock - FRED - St. Louis Fed ... ( http://bit.ly/1NonWUI )

17:35

uh huh

17:35

and that's according to their bullshit numbers

17:36

" Obama has never ruled out military force if negotiations failed"

17:36

ahahaha o lordy.

17:36

*

mircea_popescu would like to see this one.

17:38

"Thanks for your comment, dumspirospero! I appreciate your appreciation of the post."

17:39

i hereby validate one derp's appreciation of the other derp's appreciation of the first derp's appreciations on issues she doesn't understand and wasn't really asked about.

17:39

anyone care to appreciate my validation so we can make it a social media ?

17:40

I concur! You're now popular!

17:40

mircea_popescu: I appreciate the opportunity to take part in this meta-appreciation. upboated, or something

17:41

we are moving the conversation to the left!

17:41

I can feel a consensus building already

17:41

Yay deddit, we did it!

17:42

where's that bottle of queefs

17:43

I bet gloria steinem has one

17:44

White folks was in caves while we was building empires We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it.

17:44

let's play guess the genius.

17:44

mao ?

17:44

Elijah Muhammed

17:44

mnope.

17:44

neithert

17:45

gandhi

17:45

Farrakan

17:45

neither.

17:45

It sounds very Nation of Islam...

17:45

it actually isn't.

17:46

but yeah

17:46

doesn't sound like a very sharp guy if you ask me

17:47

very sharp actually.

17:47

reverend al sharpton in point of fact.

17:47

l0l!

17:47

hehe

17:47

how exactly did some us black guy get his "we" to include i presume egyptians, which weren't black while he wasn't in africa, is anyone's guess.

17:48

mircea_popescu: this particular delusion is known to have originated with a particular academitard, but his name escapes me

17:48

i suppose they got numbers from the indians while they were exploring zanzibar

17:48

soviet elephants are the biggest elephants (tm) (r)

17:49

the island 50 miles off the coast which you can see on a clear day, but which the mud packing philosophers and astrologo-mathematicians of a certain complexion failed to find,

17:49

pewople had to come from fucking indonesia

17:49

anyway. a truly very liberal gent.

17:49

madagascar aha

17:53

<ascii_field> mircea_popescu: this particular delusion is known to have originated with a particular academitard, but his name escapes me << Actually harder to pin down. Variations had been going on in Black Christian circles since the early 1800's at least, but Nation of Islam really brought this crazy to the mainstream

17:53

was speaking of ancient egypt specifically

17:54

fwiw, thjere's a contingent of deranged romanians who believe zamolxis taught the romans to read.

17:54

they even had statal support for a while.

17:54

the ducks are unloaded from the trucks!

17:54

and obviously usians have their own john smiths etc.

17:54

so...

17:54

every group lays the same pretense. irrespective of the justification. much like every absoute monarchy sooner or later got around to deriving the monarch from the sun

17:55

poor star had no fucking idea how many women it had impregnated, from paris to shanghai

17:55

if only it exercised safer sex.

17:55

I think my favorite Al Sharptonism is "Jewing the numbers"

17:55

is that like... counting with them?

17:57

It's a broad statement.

17:57

more like making them come out to him being a parasite.

17:57

gernika

BingoBoingo was there not a Nubian dynasty that ruled Egypt at some point? Apparently lasted 75 years?

17:58

there was also a circassian one presumably.

17:58

gernika: Nubian isn't West African

17:59

nubia is what used to be kush, today's sudan

17:59

"upper egypt"

18:01

https://i.imgur.com/KobQKdF.png << related to mircea_popescu 's trap picture earlier

18:01

... ( http://bit.ly/1h0ZU8m )

18:03

uh... what does he mean women "won't do this" ?!

18:03

what's this, trap supremacy?

18:03

i suppose the theory is that "italians have forgotten how to sing and only french royal comedy institute knows anymore"

18:03

actual argument, in actual debate, at the time of diderot & co

18:04

hue

18:05

*

trinque goes to code in a van down by the river

18:05

more like vw, and more like next to it, but whatever!

18:17

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aPy6r0P_700b_v2.jpg

18:17

... ( http://bit.ly/1gxMJep )

18:17

!up ascii_field

18:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00060006 = 14.7015 BTC [+]

18:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35379 @ 0.00058231 = 20.6015 BTC [-] {5}

18:25

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/russia-may-ban-reddit-over-thread-how-grow-narcotic-plants-642566 looooooooooool

18:25

Russia May Ban Reddit Over Thread on 'How to Grow Narcotic Plants' ... ( http://bit.ly/1gxNSCC )

18:31

censorsheep!

18:39

I kek'd

18:39

And I just got delivered a fifth of some kind of brandy.

18:40

tasty

~ 1 hours 29 minutes ~

20:09

*

kakobrekla just saw a 1990 movie 'Hardware', subtitled 'you can't stop pr0gr355'

20:10

goes quite well with ba theme.

20:10

:D

20:11

still on server can give link if anyone wants.

20:12

link me, I'll save it for when I have insomnia

20:15

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25879 @ 0.0006056 = 15.6723 BTC [+] {3}

20:17

ill move to another boxen and leave link in public for a short while.

20:18

!s moore

20:18

121 results for 'moore' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=moore

20:19

http://pagesix.com/2015/08/05/michael-moore-selling-spectacular-michigan-lake-house-for-5-2m/ << different moore than most of the ones in teh search

20:19

Michael Moore selling spectacular Michigan lake house for $5.2M | Page Six ... ( http://bit.ly/1JTgh1R )

20:21

truly hideous entryway

20:21

photo 13

20:22

that wallpaper looks like bad bathroom tile from the 60s

20:22

terrible.

20:23

liking the gym space but junky equipment needs a refresh

20:23

photo 35

20:24

lol @ moore having a home gym

20:24

some rooms are nice, others entirely haphazard

20:24

could be the shots

20:25

#23 makes my skin crawl

20:25

real estate photographers famously embellish

20:25

it's not really my taste either

20:25

but neither is he, so it's perhaps no surprise

20:25

yeah

20:26

http://www.autocar.co.uk/blogs/anything-goes/official-ex-top-gear-team-sign-deal-amazon-video << usg picks up where bbc dropped ball

20:26

Official: Ex-Top Gear team sign a deal with Amazon Video | Autocar ... ( http://bit.ly/1JTgGl5 )

20:29

tg2 looks to be only available in us and uk markets. sorry canuckians.

20:30

ftr i think that hammond, may, and clarkson are past their prime and should hang up their towels

20:30

they should be hosting daytime tv shows or something

20:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97900 @ 0.00058891 = 57.6543 BTC [-] {5}

20:34

said link, wont keep it up awfully long http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/tmp/Hardware.1990.BDRip.576P.X264.AC3-UNiQUE.mkv

20:35

.mkv eh. now to find a player for this guy.

20:35

vlc?

20:36

pretty sure i have vlc on an older machine, i'll make it work

20:36

anyway, its not at the level of 'brazil' but had lulz

20:37

don't suppose you have brazil and can post as well

20:38

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miUkymOb3zA << youtube's version of 'brazil'

20:38

Brazil Football (Soccer) Body Paint Girl - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HEUtB4 )

20:39

brazil is one of my favorite films

20:39

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW2gJ_6t8PQ << or this

20:39

Brazil 1985 Full Movie Official - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HEUy7V )

20:40

brazil i have on home server, would need to upload.

20:40

trinque: i haven't seen it myself, seen it in the logs who knows how many times

20:40

wonder if mp's done a review

20:41

;;google trilema.com brazil

20:41

The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume I on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-i/>; Further Argentine weird. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/further-argentine-weird/>; The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume VI on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-vi/>

20:41

pete_dushenski: fyi, it's available freely on kat.cr, probably can be downloaded at pipe saturation level, rather then pulling it from someone's http

20:41

brazil: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:FD297C623222220A30A90D66EBAD7BFE292EA0C8&dn=brazil+1985+720p+brrip+x264+yify&tr=udp%3A%2F%2F9.rarbg.com%3A2710%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.demonii.com%3A1337

20:42

aha cheers.

20:42

i dun really torrent so i think i'll stick with the yt :)

20:43

kakobrekla tks for the movie!

20:43

been a while since i tried a mystery-viewing

20:43

yw:)

20:43

plus i so rarely have occasion to download large files

20:44

it's nice to exercise the fiber, even if it seems a bit slow

20:44

topping out at ~3.2MB/s

20:44

box is in europe

20:44

heh that'll do it

20:44

i'm probably going backwards to toronto or montreal first

20:45

so i had to download a font yesterday for a client project. txt file in folder says "this font was created for the first ever european furry convention"

20:45

o.O

20:46

your client's a furry, dude

20:47

where else could he have seen it?!

20:47

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/07/us/form-for-drug-dealers-to-snitch-on-competitors-results-in-an-arrest.html << notbad.

20:47

Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1HEUS6m )

20:47

while i do own a full-body wolf suit, i've never had sex or masturbated while wearing it

20:47

yet.

20:48

kakobrekla, thanks, can you provide a sha256sum of the file ?

20:48

pete_dushenski mine sides

20:48

keep fit, have fun

20:49

Apocalyptic 1aa710beb9f8d464756dd50a0484d60b563e2aab623aff6444b2dc4a4dccd0e2 Hardware.1990.BDRip.576P.X264.AC3-UNiQUE.mkv

20:49

ty

20:49

sure

20:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1p6K0xGKd0 << for non-canuckians who don't know the legacy of hal johnson and joanne mcleod

20:50

Body Break - Airplane Exercises (1992) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HEUZiw )

20:50

hal is not the same without the soup strainer

20:51

peaked at 3.3MB/s, notbadforeuro.jpg

20:51

nubbins`: i dun get it, hal lost his stache ?

20:51

he shaved it in recent years

20:52

they still make new commercials from time to time

20:52

now this is news to me

20:52

been too long since i had cable tv i guess

20:52

srsly, one day "who is this man standing next to joanne mcleod?"

20:53

lol "get that fraud away from that saint!"

20:53

https://nationalpostcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/haljoanne.jpg?w=620

20:53

... ( http://bit.ly/1JTiSc0 )

20:53

fucked up hey?

20:53

o good god hal looks like a street corner fallel stand operator

20:53

"you want extra special sauce ?

20:53

"

20:56

dory tried to climb up onto my shoulders as i stood up ;/

20:56

http://imgur.com/Ih3Bgc7

20:56

Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1JTj9vC )

20:56

maybe the most outta-focus picture i've ever taken

20:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00057936 = 9.2118 BTC [-]

21:02

dat chin tho

~ 15 minutes ~

21:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00060086 = 4.2661 BTC [+]

21:21

looks like illegal drugs mate

21:21

reported

21:23

did you fill out the form ?

21:23

prepare to be deported

21:31

mike_c

;;seen Naphex

21:31

Naphex was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 0 hours, 11 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <Naphex> clients get tracked and the rewards are sticky

21:33

mats: canada only imports

21:34

people, that is.

21:34

only natural resources are deported

21:34

mike_c

;;later tell Naphex I may have some need for order matching code. I'd be interested in talking about btcxchange codebase sometime if you're interested

21:34

The operation succeeded.

21:34

according to bitcoin script documentation "Some of the more complicated opcodes are disabled out of concern that the client might have a bug in their implementation" (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Script). an example of disabled script OP_CAT, Concatenates two strings

21:35

Naphex

mike_c: i was just about to go to sleep but shoot me a privmsg tomorrow

21:35

mike_c

sounds good

21:36

i'm either missing some hidden issues, or this literally says "some aspect of scripts are unimplemented, because memory manipulation is too hard"

21:44

no, that's what it says.

21:47

pete_dushenski nah, didn't write up brazil.

21:49

i just might have to take a crack at brazil myself then

21:50

your loss !

21:50

(or the reader's loss but who cares about them ? )

21:50

phf is in for a treat

21:51

as he reads that thing and approaches the magic moment,

21:51

where you realize 'this is a bucket of liquid shit'

21:51

<nubbins`> http://imgur.com/Ih3Bgc7 << is that your crochet stick ?

21:51

Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1JTj9vC )

21:52

pete_dushenski i saw it, and i think it's great. just... writing's not automatic!

21:52

https://www.beta.facebook.com/directory/

21:52

... ( http://bit.ly/1IXEsag )

21:52

mircea_popescu: in this, i commiserate

21:52

asciilifeform the magic moment is the part where you go "and yet unlike every other bucket of lick-a-squid shit, the maker of this one was clearly aware. wtf ?!?!"

21:52

aha that one.

21:53

in other non-news, steve dutch (of 'anti-intellectualism' and madagascar essay, etc) is back. with a couplea new lulz, e.g., https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/IssueNeverIssue.HTM ; and even a blog of sorts, http://stevedutch.blogspot.com

21:53

The Principle is Never The Principle ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXEAXq )

21:53

Steve Dutch ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXEAqo )

21:56

sigh, moar blogspot.

21:57

the extra-lulzy 'meta' aspect of this is that the fella is becoming more and more of an open, frothing defender of usg-in-all-of-its-glory, e.g., https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/AsymmWarfare.htm

21:57

Why Vietnam and Afghanistan Matter ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXEQ8P )

21:57

and .HTM like it's 1993 and microsoft dreamweaver, and "Failed to connect to server. The reason may be that the encryption methods supported by the server are not enabled in the security preferences." and aww.

21:58

htm-like-93 is prolly the one nice thing that can be said

21:58

i wish folks would txt like it's '83, personally

21:58

but perhaps that's just me.

21:59

i dunno, i dislike capitalised extensions

21:59

must be idiosincrasia officinalis.

21:59

idk, they evoke nostalgic msdos in my mind

21:59

but only if precisely 3 characters.

22:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23949 @ 0.00060086 = 14.39 BTC [+]

22:04

mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/2ANHPSB.txt http://dpaste.com/0243K1T.txt if you feel like it.

22:04

... ( http://bit.ly/1IXFjro )

22:04

... ( http://bit.ly/1IXFl2s )

22:04

^ for anyone else who 'failed to connect to server'

22:05

oh lookie

22:05

i'm about 3.6klols behind

22:05

and no time to catch up yet this week

22:10

such an obsession with feces here

22:10

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3gntyw/sabrio_wants_to_unmask_bitcoin_transactions_and << moar lulz

22:10

SABR.io wants to unmask Bitcoin transactions and has raised $1 million in funding. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXFOlp )

22:12

how long has it been since sc4mz0rz quit doing the most elementary homework to see if other, larger and better-connected sc4mz0rz are pulling the same scam already ?

22:12

(or is it a 'little fleas' situation?)

22:13

https://www.usenix.org/conference/usenixsecurity15/technical-sessions/presentation/gruss

22:13

Cache Template Attacks: Automating Attacks on Inclusive Last-Level Caches | USENIX ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXG2J7 )

22:14

'SABR is seeking engineers with deep interest and experience in blockchain-based technologies who are prepared to devote their career to making a positive impact while being continuously intellectually challenged.' << am i the only one who sees a second parse for this sentence ??

22:14

'... while being continuously intellectually challenged.'

22:14

heh

22:15

I guess that's about right

22:15

*

mircea_popescu reads one

22:16

'intellectually challenged' is '90s-usg-speak for 'tard'

22:16

fwiw.

22:16

"Ultimately it's undergirded by one of the great intellectual fallacies of modern times, the obsession with structure as opposed to content. If structure is all important, then if two conflicts have similar structure, they are similar."

22:17

asciilifeform, I heard it's now rude to say "blind" in the us, one must say "visually challenged"

22:18

mats: iirc inria had a cycle-and-cache-accurate x86 emulator. might be up your alley.

22:19

"In fact, most people are out of their depth in a mud puddle."

22:20

"Mostly it's laziness (or shallowness) and an attempt to seize the moral high ground. It's hard to defend specific issues when you're confronted by someone who simply rejects your basic premises. How do you find out what lines of argument they would find persuasive? (Hint: ask them. Say "what exactly would you accept as proof that I'm right?" Most of the time they don't have a clue, because most people only think about

22:20

why they're right, not how they might be wrong.)"

22:21

amusingly enough, for all the people who have all sorts of malformed opinions, cvasi-ideas and ready judgement about "how mp is!11" stemming out of some sort of emotional knee jerk over me not caring for whatever pet peeve of theirs, NONE to date has actually tried the "hey mp, what'd it take to convince you feminists are not retarded children and socialism is really the path to go!"

22:21

but hey, i wait.

22:22

'goblins don't craft weapons'

22:22

(tm) (r) (mircea_popescu)

22:22

not even a weapon. they also don't craft houses, or water pipes.

22:24

[insert the take about a girl walking by plumber in geyser of shit]

22:24

*tale

22:24

asciilifeform: cool

22:27

kakobrekla did ddos move over to logs ?

22:27

nm back now. i swear it was dead for a coupl;a minutes

22:28

prolly folks pulling the l333337 w4r3z

22:28

(linked earlier)

22:28

part of upcoming mp vs. mpaa

22:31

mircea_popescu: any chance we might see log1 again in the near future ?

22:31

asciilifeform except they weren't also hosted ?

22:32

pete_dushenski i dun recall what the problem was with it, i think it mostly fell through the cracks for lack of pressing need. the server's up at any rate.

22:32

~shrug~ ask kako

22:33

http://stevedutch.blogspot.com/2013/12/too-dumb-to-run-lemonade-stand.html << moar vintage prof. d. lulz

22:33

Steve Dutch: Too Dumb to Run a Lemonade Stand ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXHmM5 )

22:33

this penning's thing is turning out to be as much work as the rest of the key server comined

22:33

penning ?

22:33

mats is trapping charged particles ?

22:34

Maintains the strong set, displays some statistics as to it in the manner of Penning's thing [http://pgp.cs.uu.nl] <<

22:34

ah, that.

22:34

mircea_popescu: iirc you pointed the finger at kako and he pointed it back at you. in any event, i'd like to see it back up. never know when said pressing need might arise.

22:35

asciilifeform is the lemonade stand <=> dope slinging ?

22:35

lulzier

22:35

he was pissing on 'mba'

22:36

mats oh, yeah. that.

22:36

(popular scapegoat in usa)

22:36

it will be epic tho.

22:39

;;ud Obama Derangement Syndrome

22:39

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Obama+Derangement+Syndrome | Obama's positions better reflect the change and new direction that the American people have been calling for, but those with Obama Derangement Syndrome ...

22:40

strangely enough, the dsm-ud did not have a heading for "bush-reactive psychopathy"

22:41

sounds like a krugman term

22:41

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/10/opinion/paul-krugman-gop-candidates-and-obamas-failure-to-fail.html << specifically

22:41

Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXHV8I )

22:42

"Out there in the real world, none of the disasters their party predicted have actually come to pass. President Obama just keeps failing to fail. And that’s a big problem for the G.O.P. — even bigger than Donald Trump."

22:42

"Hey, who wouldn't vote for Morgan Freeman? Obama is unabashedly liberal, intelligent, and acts like he knows it. He's "uppity." People who think they're superior run headlong into someone who is superior, and they don't like it."

22:42

check it out ?!

22:42

http://stevedutch.blogspot.com/2012/07/the-most-evil-people-in-american-history.html << comedically lulzy

22:42

Steve Dutch: The Most Evil People in American History ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXI2Bl )

22:43

asciilifeform i rarely get to read folk who at the same time seem able to find their way out of a paper bag and actually believe obama similarly could.

22:43

is this played straight ?

22:43

mircea_popescu: if you dig, dig, turns out herr dutch has a little seekrit

22:43

well, not quite

22:43

but apparently he's somewhat of a... catholic apologist, in the old school.

22:43

didn't know they made those any more.

22:43

but i mean... sure, he's uppity. i have yet to see a sign of intelligence.

22:44

hence the combo of 'brain' but 'wtf'

22:44

asciilifeform how's that relate to hm.

22:44

i dunno, i kinda don't look at that part, because plenty of orthodox nuts otherwise very intelligent.

22:44

also a few jews with the same odd behaviour.

22:45

*

asciilifeform not a shrink. but, on reflection, has seen this before.

22:46

'You did virtually nothing to create the conveniences you enjoy. The retirement plan 300 years ago was: get up, go to work, come home, go to bed, repeat. Then one day, you didn't get up because you were dead. ' << mega-clairvoyant! knows my retirement plan!

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( http://stevedutch.blogspot.com/2012/05/forget-third-parties-we-need-fourth.html )

22:47

Steve Dutch: Forget Third Parties: We Need a Fourth Party, (And Why We Won't Get One) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JTpDdY )

22:49

i beg to differ.

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i am not a person in the sense of this rootless, hopeless lotus floating on a sea that somehow is owned byu "the state".

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then to herr dutch you are a dragon and don't exist

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naturally.

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i am the proud result of an endless line that predates all states, and the fucking lake, the lake's bottom, and the core of the earth are mine.

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so... take teh "oh you didn't create" talk an' dangle.

22:51

no state ever created anything. it was another mircea that carried the fucking head of the turk pasha after that one failed crusade when all of europe ran off and the us wasn't invented yet.

22:51

dutch (damn it why do i have to run this fella under emulation..) would prolly answer 'you and what nuke'

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and so there.

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asciilifeform yeah, but i care what he asks like i care what the mosquito buzzes.

22:52

he'd better buzz out of range, if it knows what's good for its retirement plan.

22:53

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asciilifeform is reading these words to the tune of a million actual mosquitoes. somehow appropriate

22:53

you know they don't seem to exist here ?

22:53

we have'em here: large, small, all sizes

22:53

fucking insane, river, swamp, the works.

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mircea_popescu: and the ones that did exist, could not bite me!

22:53

srsly wtf

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folks kept swatting'em but apparently nobody - iirc - bitten

22:54

ben_vulpes ? mod6 ? any of you went home with mosquito bite ?

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they are kinda incredibly derpy.

23:01

Conservatives oppose abortion but are okay with war and capital punishment. (So am I - I think everyone in the capital deserves to be punished)

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better watch out alf, he's coming for you.

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asciilifeform already in pretty good punishment just by living here

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<+asciilifeform> ben_vulpes ? mod6 ? any of you went home with mosquito bite ? << heheh. i might have gotten a bite or two. i paid them back ~10x iirc.

23:02

nah i don't crochet

23:02

i think that was a lens flare

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where i live these things are not just a nuisance like in .ar, but ubiquitous

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almost thick enough to walk on, here.

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heheheh

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'tis one of the reasons i enjoyed camping in the west so much, back east the mosquitoes try to carry you away.

23:08

asciilifeform install filtyers, make diesel ?

23:08

"More specifically, nobody wants a meritocracy based on actual accomplishment. What both camps really want is a meritocracy of values, that is, an aristocracy in which position is dictated by attitude and conduct."

23:09

heh. usians don't want to work no more. news at 99:99

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mircea_popescu: for all i know, my tank is full of precisely mosquito petrol even now.

23:12

"hola nos quedamos sin trabajo mi esposo y yo y busco ayuda economica a cambio de sex para asi poder ahorrar algo y poner un negocio soy ama de casa no modelo ni profecional en esto soy bajita 36 años"

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definitely a new one.

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^ brendafdez ?

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(housewife wants money to get sex change operation to earn money to start a business)

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nah

23:13

mega-inv3stm3nt.

23:15

this has got to be some sort of very specialised praying on aging usian expats.

23:15

it makes no sense outside of "a collection of fetishes liable to drive a 60 yo protestant dude with money"

23:15

oughtn't it be in the king's inglisch then ?

23:16

maybe that's a giveaway

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scoopbot_revived

The Trump Train is heading for the White House. Maybe. http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/11/the-trump-train-is-heading-for-the-white-house-maybe/

23:20

'You eat food you didn't grow and in many cases have no idea where it came from or what it looks like in nature. You rely on elaborate machines to get you places, but have no idea how they work. If your car stops, you have no idea what went wrong or what to do to fix it. In many cases, there is nothing you personally can do. To travel long distances you get into a big flying tube that leaves you completely at the mercy of othe

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r people. Your illnesses are treated by people who speak a language you don't understand and who give you little nondescript pills containing who knows what? Everything in your house connects to outlets in the wall that supply electricity created by processes you don't understand. You are reading this on a device that might as well be populated by fairies for all you know. And when something pops up saying you have a virus or

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the FBI has caught you downloading illegal material, you don't have a clue what to do. ... ... Most Americans are like that, kept alive and prosperous only through the exertions of people more productive, inventive and generous than they are. The productive view them not so much as loathsome insects, as puppies who will eventually go to the pound if they pee on the rug too often.'

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(dutch)

23:21

in this vein : went to pharmacy here, told pharmacist what i want, he went and fetched. cox-2 inhibitor, no prescription needed becasuse the criteria in argentina is "do you speak the language ? if not, get someone who does to write what you need down for you"

23:22

but i happen to speak that language.

23:23

iirc banned by usg

23:24

who still makes them ?

23:24

(india?)

23:24

msotly banned because the idiots prescribed them like they prescribe anything, "forever", and they don't work forever.

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but still unparalleled for extemporaneous intervention.

23:26

how will pharma execs snort coke from golden toilets if prescribing were not forever, aha

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and this was produced by merck. for "export", ie, "to be sold in sane countries"

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how will predatory castes of lawyers, 'social workerz', etc. eat

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30 bux, 28 pills.

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spiffy

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for their effectual purpose, good for a decade or more.

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like most pharma

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meanwhile usians with the same sort of problem get substandard care in the shape of cox-1&2 inhibitors in massive dossage.

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(the exceptions are few and generally well-documented)

23:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7894 @ 0.00060669 = 4.7892 BTC [+] {3}

23:30

(if anyone is curious - yes the pharmacist tested me. he asked "what dosage ?" and i said uh... 100... maybe 50, no, not really. 80 ? turns out he had 60, 90 and 120. because 50 is not really quite enough and 100 is maybe a little too much, but if those are the options go for 100

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and once i knew that, he had no further questions)

23:31

what of classical dopes, of the 'down' or 'up' kinds, either

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also sold for the asking ?

23:31

not usually carried.

23:32

they're petrified of "insecuridad" these folks. like they live with the vikings or something.

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l0l

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you'l lhave to get it at a major hospital.

23:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45750 @ 0.00060783 = 27.8082 BTC [+] {6}

23:33

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asciilifeform once visited a shop, not far from home, which sold gigantic safes. most of the pre-owned units were from pharmacies, and some had catalogues of the contents still glued to inside of door

23:33

safe, like fighter jet , is not the whole story.

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naturally.

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and the people who actually have the whole story do not reaslly employ safes

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or at least a story on my blog tends to support this theory.

23:34

the safes existed to begin with on account of usg fiat

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(the drugs are cheap and their theft is no serious loss to the shop)

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story?

23:34

you recall, the whores.

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asciilifeform thinks

23:34

which whores

23:35

http://trilema.com/2011/spargatorii-si-curva/ there.

23:35

Spargatorii si curva on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UBZaVo )

23:44

'One of the juicier scientific scandals of recent times involves Dutch psychologist Diederik Stapel, who admitted to fabricating many of his research results. A full list of Stapel's falsified articles hasn't been published, but the titles of some of his articles (some of which may not be tainted) offer insights. The article that outed him was "Coping with Chaos: How Disordered Contexts Promote Stereotyping and Discrimination.

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" ... ... Lots of emphasis on stereotyping, how we construct reality, and so on. Nothing that challenges the basic assumptions of social scientists at all. And that's really how he got away with it. He reported what his colleagues expected to see. ... There are probably tons of articles in the scientific literature based on faked data, and undetected because the results were uncontroversial. There are many more where data were

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filtered or fudged but which remain undetected because the end results were correct. Still more contain honest errors that went undetected because the overall results were valid or the error was peripheral to the main point of the paper.'

23:50

where "uncontroversial" = fit the political agenda

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aha

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how else.

23:50

like "global warming" flavour of "uncontroversial". like lysenko "uncontroversial"

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like psychological school of moscow "uncontroversial". asshats.

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(there is also the 'impenetrably obscure' flavour of 'uncontroversy')

23:52

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2362 @ 0.00061586 = 1.4547 BTC [+]

23:52

anwyay, lest we be too harsh on the social pseudoscientists that gotta eat,

23:53

one must remember the fabled charge of the electorn measurements.

23:53

people are just assholes, is all.

23:53

that's kinda the one i think of automatically

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myeah.

23:53

and incidentally just about every serious field has own millikan

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or three

23:54

almost a pons asinorum for basic literacy in $subject - 'name the millikans.'

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