Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
← 2015-07-30 | 2015-08-01 → ↓
00:00 asciilifeform went perelman.
00:09 decimation heh sounds like it
00:09 decimation except where is his mother's pension?
00:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18121 @ 0.00054132 = 9.8093 BTC [+] {4}
00:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62779 @ 0.00054565 = 34.2554 BTC [+] {4}
00:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121250 @ 0.00052244 = 63.3459 BTC [-]
00:36 BingoBoingo Oh, a new qntra critic http://qntra.net/2015/07/cecil-the-lion-is-a-pretext-for-expanding-extraterritoriality-of-us-law/#comment-36023
00:36 assbot Cecil the Lion is a Pretext for Expanding Extraterritoriality of US Law | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1M0HBNi )
00:42 BingoBoingo Some lols http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/from-distribution-to-project << "NetBSD changed its name to OpenBSD to reflect a new focus on desktop computing."
00:42 assbot from distribution to project ... ( http://bit.ly/1M0HMrW )
00:46 punkman "One of the first things I did after installing OpenBSD back in the day was set up a 6bone tunnel and ping6 all three other IPv6 sites out there. I was living in the future. Fifteen years later, and well... Fuck IPv6."
00:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00054643 = 3.2786 BTC [+]
01:08 BingoBoingo Mega lol https://archive.is/6hOHJ
01:08 assbot 'What lion?' Zimbabweans ask, amid global Cecil circus | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1IcaEap )
01:09 BingoBoingo Also note Reuters includes that the dentist used a bow and arrow.
01:10 punkman badass dentist?
01:12 decimation eh, the anti-gunners know they can stir up some shit with this kind of story
01:13 BingoBoingo I actually didn't know he used a bow until minutes ago. I thought he would have used one of those exotic African calibers .300-.460 with a name attached like Weatherby or Tyranosaurus. I am impressed.
01:14 BingoBoingo punkman: Far more badass than my dentist brother.
01:17 punkman he should practice his archery on those protestors outside his office
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01:19 decimation what if instead of lions he hunted eastern shit beetles?
01:19 decimation nobody would give a fuck
01:22 decimation asciilifeform: re: radiothermal generators> the new hotness is to use...stirling engine! https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/rps/asrg.cfm
01:22 assbot Radioisotope Power Systems: Stirling Converter Technology ... ( http://bit.ly/1LUf6zf )
01:23 BingoBoingo decimation: He would give a fuck. I have to imagine one hunts lions in part for the danger.
01:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81100 @ 0.00053528 = 43.4112 BTC [-] {3}
01:26 decimation sure, he would, not rest of world media
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01:42 * BingoBoingo contemplating AMD A4-5000 machine as upgrade or complement to AMD 350 machine...
01:43 * BingoBoingo not sure preformance boost would be enough to make a difference
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02:01 mats 20:25:57 <+asciilifeform> mats: down to business - what's your position on the 'july plot' men ? << no opinion rly
02:03 mats coderwill: it is an open secret that Tor is broken
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02:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39200 @ 0.00054801 = 21.482 BTC [+] {5}
02:34 BingoBoingo !up cazalla
02:35 cazalla thanks BingoBoingo, so nice to finally sit down on a friday arvo
02:35 BingoBoingo yeah
02:35 BingoBoingo Though here is is Just after midnight Friday morning
02:37 punkman http://citizen-ex.com/stories/io
02:37 assbot The story of .io | Citizen Ex ... ( http://bit.ly/1MxPzwl )
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03:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103200 @ 0.00053566 = 55.2801 BTC [-]
03:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12109 @ 0.00053566 = 6.4863 BTC [-]
03:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58396 @ 0.00054257 = 31.6839 BTC [+] {2}
03:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9559 @ 0.00055381 = 5.2939 BTC [+] {2}
03:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00055382 = 3.2675 BTC [+]
03:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56400 @ 0.00052915 = 29.8441 BTC [-] {2}
03:52 cazalla ;;later tell mike_c a belated grats on the birth of your daughter
03:52 gribble The operation succeeded.
04:04 shinohai ;;ticker
04:04 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 283.81, Best ask: 283.91, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 283.79, 24 hour volume: 17439.70338798, 24 hour low: 282.0, 24 hour high: 289.85, 24 hour vwap: None
04:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40300 @ 0.00055382 = 22.3189 BTC [+]
04:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58700 @ 0.00055382 = 32.5092 BTC [+]
04:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00052264 = 18.3969 BTC [-] {2}
04:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50338 @ 0.0005218 = 26.2664 BTC [-] {3}
04:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74400 @ 0.00055097 = 40.9922 BTC [+]
04:49 shinohai https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3f8fke/cointelegraph_plagiarizing_from_rbitcoin/ <<< Because 99% of crypto "news" is horseshit
04:50 assbot Cointelegraph plagiarizing from r/bitcoin : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1SmWjlC )
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05:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29383 @ 0.00055285 = 16.2444 BTC [+] {2}
05:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16829 @ 0.00055381 = 9.3201 BTC [+] {2}
05:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62997 @ 0.00055086 = 34.7025 BTC [-] {3}
05:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27750 @ 0.00055382 = 15.3685 BTC [+]
05:27 jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1218892 mkay
05:27 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 00:53:05; asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov would you please consider getting rid of the PILE OF SHIT appended to the filenames ?
05:31 jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1218903 as patch processing is part of scrubbing, easiest would be to just turn everything off and keep just ordinary mailing list
05:31 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 00:56:50; trinque: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2009-July/066638.html
05:32 jurov as i can't get it to work and nobody's using it, maybe that would be for the best
05:34 jurov plus without scrubbing everyone'd be able to take some clearsigned text, slap on malicious JS and whatnot and have it published
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05:34 jurov win-win scenario
05:37 punkman does it let html emails through?
05:39 jurov emails are let through mostly unchanged. we're talikng about archives
05:43 shinohai I'm sure you'll get it fixed jurov
05:50 jurov eventually.
05:52 shinohai Same with me with this cross-compilation shit. I just got to take a breather and keep researching, eventually I'll get it.
06:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71305 @ 0.00053256 = 37.9742 BTC [-]
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06:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00052308 = 15.3262 BTC [-] {2}
06:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49216 @ 0.00054811 = 26.9758 BTC [+] {3}
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07:35 Adlai !up deedbot-
07:35 Adlai deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/1A03N6Q.txt
07:35 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBsASg )
07:35 Adlai deedbot-:http://dpaste.com/1A03N6Q.txt
07:35 deedbot- imported: FCBC64EFDF1D6C1E4E964AEE4D88596A7CDA03F9
07:35 Adlai deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/0BC64N4.txt
07:35 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBsGJy )
07:35 deedbot- accepted: 1
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08:04 punkman Adlai: does the rocket fly?
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08:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 1322 @ 0.00111 = 1.4674 BTC
08:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60150 @ 0.00052117 = 31.3484 BTC [-] {3}
08:44 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218371 << you never asked, but yes if you do not believe the entire Bible you will be destroyed for eternity in the lake of fire
08:44 assbot Logged on 30-07-2015 18:39:51; shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218302 <<< I'll make an exception in your case danielpbarron, because not once have you told me "shinohai, you gonna FRY!"
08:45 shinohai At the very least, I have not cursed God one time in all my failures with this pogo danielpbarron, so maybe there is hope for me yet.
08:45 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218382 << they are hypocrites. The Bible explicitly says to not pray in public. (Matthew 6:5)
08:45 assbot Logged on 30-07-2015 19:09:50; shinohai: trinque: I do regularly mumble prayers in public to Satan, when fundamentalists ruin my meal by trying to pray loudly over their food for 30 minutes.
08:47 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218391 << 7-year-old-me would have said "don't kill me!" so...
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08:47 assbot Logged on 30-07-2015 19:12:18; mircea_popescu: * danielpbarron too << maybe solution then is ask 7 yo kid if they should be killed and do the opposite.
08:47 shinohai I have read the Bible many times and have come to the conclusion that the majority of "Christians" I have met or seen are decidedly un-Christlike.
08:47 danielpbarron yes, same here.
08:47 danielpbarron and that is a correct observation
08:48 danielpbarron and it is perfectly in-line with the predictions of The Bible
08:48 shinohai Also, Luke 17:2
08:48 danielpbarron Jesus Himself wondered if there would be anyone who believes when He returns
08:49 danielpbarron ya, false teachers are the most despicable people on earth
08:49 kakobrekla nah, the correct observation would be that religion is a virus and religious people ill.
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08:53 shinohai I believe if you are going to follow a faith, you can't just pick and choose the parts that sound cherry to you.
08:53 danielpbarron i guess that's not too far off from my own experience, in that I did not choose to believe, although the way I see it is that God made me well and it's all the non-believers who are still ill
08:53 shinohai I'd rather say "I'm an atheist" and be wrong, than be one of the hypocrites danielpbarron describes.
08:54 danielpbarron "atheist" probably have better chances of being saved than most self-described christians
08:55 jurov shinohai how can you ever choose a faith otherwise?
08:55 jurov if you are convinced that you're despicable scum and choose a faith that says so.. then you cherrypicked too
08:56 shinohai If there *is* a God jurov, I'd like to think he chooses you, instead of vice-versa. I know all the "free will" speeches.
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08:56 shinohai Free will seems like an excuse, like God is setting you up for failure.
08:56 danielpbarron ^ ++
08:57 jurov you still need to decide when He talks to you and when not
08:57 danielpbarron the concept of "free will" has no foundation in The Bible
08:57 danielpbarron God causes all things, both good and evil
08:57 danielpbarron (Isaiah 45:7)
08:59 shinohai If that is true, then does that mean God is equal part Satan as well? I don't follow.
08:59 danielpbarron satan is not nearly as big of a deal as most people are lead to believe
09:00 kakobrekla l0l
09:00 danielpbarron God causes satan (and everyone else for that matter) to do what he does, and satan will too be destroyed in the lake of fire
09:01 danielpbarron not rule it
09:01 shinohai That is predestination, no?
09:01 danielpbarron sure
09:01 danielpbarron yay eulora is back up!
09:02 shinohai So if god already knows I am evil and he is going to send me to hell, what is the point of even trying?
09:02 jurov so everything is just a big puppet show?
09:02 danielpbarron not just knows but actually created you for the purpose of being that way
09:02 jurov A new commandment I give upon thee: lean back and enjoy!
09:02 kakobrekla eh please, even Exaybachay has better stories than that.
09:03 shinohai I'm not interested in being a pawn in some celestial chess match, tbh.
09:04 danielpbarron right, The Bible says fear nothing but God. It's relaxing to believe because no longer do you have to worry about each and every hyped up "terrorism" that people try to sell
09:05 kakobrekla you know the bible has the credibility of the santa story
09:05 danielpbarron i hate the santa story
09:05 shinohai To me, it was a relief to say "idgaf" about it all anymore.
09:05 kakobrekla on pair with your book.
09:05 danielpbarron i recently told a friend's 5 year old son that anyone who tries to tell him about santa is a liar
09:05 kakobrekla well, could be just sick.
09:07 jurov kakobrekla: God caused you to :)
09:07 shinohai I also can't believe that throughout 2000+ years of Christianity's existence that some unknown "non-denomination" comes along and finally gets it right,
09:07 shinohai right here in good 'ol 'murica
09:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00053764 = 10.1614 BTC [+]
09:08 shinohai Because Jesus was obviously a homophobic, racist, bigot right?
09:10 shinohai The Jesus that is portrayed in the gospels seems the polar opposite of all that is preached now.
09:14 danielpbarron Jesus is the same God as the one in the old testament
09:16 danielpbarron and He isn't afraid of homosexuals as the suffix "phobic" implies
09:16 danielpbarron and there may very well have been true churches along the way from 2000 years ago to today, I just don't know about them
09:17 danielpbarron not surprising that they are unknown, as scripture informs us that the world will hate the truth
09:18 shinohai Surely God's ego can handle different ways of approaching him.
09:20 shinohai Not sure if my pal pussyfreak is here, but he is a Java developer. I hate Java, but I haven't tried to kill him or tell him he is going to fry if he doesn't use Python instead.
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09:21 davout shinohai: he is already frying in hell
09:21 shinohai xD
09:23 davout "Those who believe there is a difference between nirvana and samsara, are already in samsara"
09:24 kakobrekla the world will hate the truth < what every liar said too.
09:24 kakobrekla thats the first thing you establish before telling lies.
09:24 davout does reddit haet? yes? then it's probably true
09:25 kakobrekla does ba haet? yes? then its probably true.
09:25 davout heh
09:26 davout we should migrate to #bitcoin-asshaet
09:28 danielpbarron well the fact that i'm not banned from here yet is a good sign for you guys
09:29 davout every king has its fool
09:30 davout and i have to say i'm amused :D
09:30 shinohai danielpbarron: I think it is wrong to ban a person just because they hold different beliefs. I have plenty of Xstian friends.
09:31 danielpbarron lol no it's the "christians" who ban me
09:31 danielpbarron there was a channel on efnet i used to hang out in way back when i was still atheist
09:31 danielpbarron earlier this year they effectively banned me for telling people they were going to hell
09:32 danielpbarron particularly one of the other regulars there, a practitioner of modern judaism
09:32 kakobrekla I think it is wrong to ban a person just because they hold different beliefs. < this doesnt make much sense , but > I think it is wrong to ban a person just because are sick. < does.
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09:33 shinohai Well I could certainly phrase it better kakobrekla. My brain is rather fried atm.
09:34 kakobrekla its not about phrasing, its about meaning.
09:45 decimation danielpbarron: what does a 'practitioner of modern judaism' do exactly? like, they know they torah and tanakh but are too cool to follow them?
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09:45 decimation kakobrekla: why are religious people any more ill for holding a conviction about the supernatural than atheists - who hold similar convictions?
09:47 kakobrekla decimation note that im speaking of 'religious' and not 'spiritual'. i think that answers your question.
09:49 decimation not in the least. how do you distinguish?
09:51 kakobrekla example: i dont know exactly what consciousness is, but i am not going to go believing santa didit and act like a psychopath in that name.
09:55 asciilifeform http://nosuchlabs.com/stats << tank is empty and is to be refilled this weekend. anyone who wants to test a key - now's the time.
10:02 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu dulap desperately needs to not be the only industrial-sized therealbitcoin node. phuctor is severely i/o starved.
10:02 gribble The operation succeeded.
10:05 asciilifeform in other nyooz, http://dpaste.com/1MEA7DD
10:05 assbot dpaste: 1MEA7DD: therealbitcoin on dulap since 7/5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1LUNeLx )
10:06 asciilifeform ^ if this is not a memory leak, then i fart toyotas.
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10:06 asciilifeform ain't mempool either.
10:07 asciilifeform (though mempool is probably the mechanism for said leak)
10:07 asciilifeform desperately need formal introspection knobs for mempool.
10:10 decimation asciilifeform: news to me: did you know you could send udp packets by writing to /dev/udp/ip/port?
10:10 asciilifeform decimation: you can do just about anything this way on recent kernels
10:11 decimation very handy for piping to remote machine
10:11 asciilifeform i like 'netcat'
10:11 decimation yeah, but it is quirky
10:11 decimation I wish it had built-in rate limiting for example - and packet size
10:12 decimation I also found a utility called 'pipe viewer' (pv) that rate-limits pipes - handy for both of the above tools
10:12 decimation here http://www.ivarch.com/programs/pv.shtml
10:12 assbot ivarch.com: Pipe Viewer ... ( http://bit.ly/1UcaK9I )
10:13 decimation one could almost shell-script your udp verifier
10:13 asciilifeform mno
10:13 asciilifeform gotta work at line speed
10:13 asciilifeform with no heap usage.
10:13 asciilifeform this is key.
10:13 decimation well, yeah. except for that part
10:13 decimation why not a fixed amount of heap?
10:14 asciilifeform because fragging
10:15 asciilifeform otherwise it doesn't matter where you put the buffer, so long as it gets used, whole, for every decode, with no further allocatory shenanigans
10:15 decimation pratically speaking it is best to keep the whole footprint smaller than the L3 cache on your cpu
10:15 asciilifeform l0.
10:16 asciilifeform incidentally, if one is optimizing for max performance on tiny data set, on an x86 pc, it is worth considering 'cache as ram mode'
10:16 asciilifeform which cpu powers up in, when loading bios
10:16 asciilifeform this is only even theoretically usable for own code if you have a ~real~ (that is, amd, and 'coreboot'able) machine
10:17 decimation I should think rsa would fit in 8mb
10:17 asciilifeform easily 8kb
10:17 asciilifeform depending on key length
10:17 decimation aye
10:17 decimation thus, stack
10:17 asciilifeform aha.
10:17 asciilifeform folks dealing with mircea_popescu-style packet filtration problems and similar operations really ought to consider it.
10:17 decimation if a multicore machine, no reason why not a single io controller and multiple checker threads
10:18 decimation but I doubt it is even needed for 1gb pipe
10:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 10000 @ 0.00111 = 11.1 BTC
10:18 asciilifeform decimation: the only hitch is that modern nics appear to demand ram access
10:18 asciilifeform (they walk ring buffer when tx-ing or rx-ing frames)
10:18 decimation yes, not only that but multi-core interrupts too
10:18 asciilifeform nah interrupts are optional
10:19 decimation ideally you would want promiscuous mode
10:19 asciilifeform why?
10:20 decimation so you wouldn't even need to restrict yourself to a single ip
10:20 asciilifeform what is the point of omitting this basic - and free - filter ?
10:21 decimation it would only be helpful if you could install 'upstream' on a big isp network
10:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00053764 = 9.1399 BTC [+]
10:22 asciilifeform eh, those have proper asics, afaik
10:22 asciilifeform built for the job
10:22 decimation yes the switches do, but generally the switch also has 'monitor port'
10:22 asciilifeform re: yesterday's thread, i'm frankly surprised that mircea_popescu ~didn't~ buy the trunk line
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10:22 decimation yes, it seems his requirements are well within the capabilities of pedestrian switches/routers
10:24 asciilifeform go try and ddos a tier 1.
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10:27 asciilifeform i expect him to answer that he didn't buy it for the same reason he won't buy a 'boeing'.
10:27 asciilifeform but if, like or not, you transport a herd of elephants every friday, buying the 'boeing' may be a logical choice
10:28 decimation yeah, would have to spend $10k-100k on router
10:29 decimation cisco 3945e claims to handle 3mpps (64byte) for instance, can be had on ebay for 5-10k
10:29 decimation and yes, I realize we all hate cisco
10:29 asciilifeform i think he'd rather move the packets with pencil and paper than so much as look at a 'cisco'
10:31 decimation fine, brocade sells cer 2024f-rt for $30k
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10:31 decimation does 65 mpps
10:32 danielpbarron decimation> danielpbarron: what does a 'practitioner of modern judaism' do exactly? << someone who believes in old testament stuff and not new testament. And yeah they also have some other books they add to scripture like the "oral tradition"
10:32 decimation yes, 'tanakh'
10:35 danielpbarron I hesitate to call them "Jews" because you don't have to be blood-line to practice judaism, and Christians are the true Jews
10:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49400 @ 0.00052051 = 25.7132 BTC [-] {2}
10:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 5000 @ 0.00111 = 5.55 BTC
10:53 decimation danielpbarron: yes, agreed
10:53 decimation asciilifeform: http://wtop.com/dc/2015/07/streets-closed-as-police-investigate-vehicle-crash-into-capitol-barricade/ < dc lulz for the day
10:53 assbot Police investigate car crash into Capitol barricade - WTOP ... ( http://bit.ly/1DfhY8o )
11:01 mircea_popescu <gribble> Sent 57 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> dulap desperately needs to not be the only industrial-sized therealbitcoin node. phuctor is severely i/o starved << so help hanbot get it going.
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11:07 shinohai asciilifeform: what, exactly, constitutes an industrial-sized therealbitcoin node?
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11:07 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218822 << and why shouldn't they. as long as there's idiots with excess fat...
11:07 assbot Logged on 30-07-2015 22:05:10; shinohai: I think I read somewhere that failed "social currency" reddcoin 's lead developer quit, after squandering all their IPCO funds, and now they are going to attempt round two.
11:07 mircea_popescu shinohai something on a 100mbit pipe i imagine he means
11:08 shinohai mkay.
11:09 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218827 << i find it's a pretty good heuristic, this. plaintext html ? guy's doing ok. bootstrap ? retarded kids couldn't find their way to etsy.
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11:09 assbot Logged on 30-07-2015 22:06:27; ascii_field: no 'css' on that www !
11:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 5000 @ 0.00111 = 5.55 BTC
11:10 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218839 << it's funny how this shit works. "malleability" might be responsible. us agents might be responsible. santa claus might be responsible. not the fat fuck and his various friends throughout the redditard community.
11:10 assbot Logged on 30-07-2015 22:35:30; trinque: holy shit, at least he said it aloud
11:15 mircea_popescu exclusive content! gawker emergency editorial board meeting! http://36.media.tumblr.com/e1083b389c52b063e11a98d14e8ab83b/tumblr_n2fdsz8wxt1qesz2lo1_1280.jpg
11:15 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dfleki )
11:16 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1218908 << atm i doubt they actually exist
11:16 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 01:09:04; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i will point out that i have not been able to locate an elbrus, nor has, last i asked, mircea_popescu, nor anyone else i know
11:16 mircea_popescu bfl miners
11:16 mircea_popescu some Luke-Jr somewhere swore he "was delivered" and the fishwrappers echoed the unverified, unsubstantial claim is all.
11:16 mircea_popescu maybe in a decade or w/e.
11:19 mircea_popescu "Although Wikileaks first publicized the emails in 2012, they did not release all of them until two years later." << lmao wut, rly ?!
11:19 mircea_popescu ;;google Stratfor lolololor
11:19 gribble Stratfor lolololor. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/stratfor-lolololor>; December 2011 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2011/12>; Breaking News on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/breaking-news/>
11:19 mircea_popescu more like 2011 but whatever.
11:20 mircea_popescu dude how the fuck does this braindamaged fucktarded generation work, already.
11:20 mircea_popescu waht 2012! what two years later!
11:20 mircea_popescu i'm not THAT elite already.
11:22 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1218934 << check it out, linux might catch up with fucking ms-dos on its next release.
11:22 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 01:22:26; asciilifeform: i.e. if you built it and it ended up sitting down in /home/luser/a/b/d/e/f/g/p/q/r/s, it will stay there. or rebuild WHOLE THING again.
11:22 mircea_popescu maybe.
11:23 mike_c cazalla: belated thanks!
11:26 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1218967 << this is a good point. labour costs are not a problem per se - they're set as policy lever (and more effectiuve at controlling wage strucure in the us than any sort of law)
11:26 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 02:33:54; BingoBoingo: So long as McDonalds has few corporate stores they have to staff and having staff at all is largely a franchisee problem McDonalds will automate for consistency (i.e. robogrill) instead of doing so to purely reduce labor.
11:26 mircea_popescu by now usg painted itself in the very sad corner where it has to provide housing for free and does the whole ration meal thing via mcd. all the drawbacks of centrally planned, scarcely any of the benefits.
11:27 mircea_popescu (on paper they should get the major benefit of blame deflection, but in practice it dun work, everyone bames washington anyway)
11:27 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1218970 << word.
11:27 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 02:37:25; BingoBoingo: Well, they will probably keep humans at the cash register to provide a surface for customers to direct anger at.
11:28 mircea_popescu also useful for forced public nudity social experiments etc.
11:30 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1218982 << i don't generally think much of the derponymous. others don't care.
11:30 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 03:06:06; coderwill: Ah, thanks for the background - that's really interesting. I myself am thinking about a new project, and was wondering if in this day and age it is a disadvantage to attach a real-life identify to the Internet.
11:31 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1218987 << zing, mats. now what ? gonna backtrack on it ?
11:31 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 03:12:24; BingoBoingo: mats: I'm still out on bond... as I have been since May 2013
11:32 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1218993 << latter is pretty persuasive.
11:32 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 03:17:35; decimation: either he was a brilliant ru spy, or he was a self-appointed reddit internet policeman
11:34 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219013 << the usg has a problem with its millenarist, one-world approach, which is stepping on everyone's toes.
11:34 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 03:24:40; decimation: now, I do think usg has a real problem with its 'secret services' running amock, making a mess of things, and generally being completely untransparent to anybody
11:35 mats nah, still dramatic.
11:35 mircea_popescu if it came to terms with the fact that they're in charge of a population of shitheads in a poorly developed country barely hanging on to the first world, with decaying infrastructure they can't upkeep etc,
11:35 mircea_popescu they'd prolly fade off the hate radar and we could all move on to hate putin and the chinese hydra like god meant it.
11:37 mircea_popescu problem is that the last people who could think retired in the late 80s, and the leftover idiots will not yield until trampled. so they'll get trampled, short detour, we move on to hating ru and cn in 2030.
11:38 shinohai Anyone here ever tried this? http://www.alandia.de/absinthe/product_info.php/language/en/info/p1001_Absinthe-of-the-Month--ALANDIA-Suisse-La-Bleue.html
11:38 assbot BUY ONLINE || Absinthe of the Month: ALANDIA Suisse La Bleue AOM07 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dfo34T )
11:38 * mircea_popescu checks his pre-printed macro sociopolitics calendar
11:38 mircea_popescu mmyeah, something like that.
11:40 mircea_popescu "The aim of this mail is to let you know that, according to default, your bank account has been put on credit hold status, and will remain so until your balance will be completely liquidated. Your attention to this matter is sorely encouraged."
11:40 mircea_popescu words!!!1
11:42 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219025 << you're going the wrong way in time.
11:42 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 03:29:11; asciilifeform: point is that 'heroes hang when traitors triumph' (tm) (r)
11:44 mircea_popescu way i read this sort of stuff from you is like so : "stoicism is important for one's balance" ; "the stoic position is 'heroes hang when traitors triumph'" ergo "i will look through time and retroactively call traitors those who succeed and heros those who fail, irrespective of how derps generally fail and competent people are rarely unimpeachable, because i really have no other ways and means to maintain balance so i'
11:44 mircea_popescu m stuck with this pile of insanity"
11:45 mircea_popescu the main problem with this syllogism is, perhaps counterintuitively, its tail.
11:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56600 @ 0.0005204 = 29.4546 BTC [-] {2}
11:45 mircea_popescu there's plenty of gyroscopes much cheaper, faster and broadly speaking better than "reinterpret history"
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11:47 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219028 << we can't so discount.
11:47 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 03:31:00; asciilifeform: the total war against honest history is a specifically 20th c. thing (if we discount chinese and egyptian monarchs who were deeply into rewriting the books)
11:47 mircea_popescu les encyclopederastes were chiefly in this same business.
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11:48 mircea_popescu the business model of wikipedia is ~exactly~ the same
11:48 mircea_popescu everyone at all points in time and space was hard at work at making it impossible to write a history he doesn't wanna hear.
11:48 mircea_popescu this includes bacteriums.
11:51 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219051 << amusingly, mike hearn's attempt to do the exact same for bitcoin at the exact same time ALSO seems to be a secret only we know.
11:51 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 03:53:10; asciilifeform: coderwill: on top of the thousand and one other sins, tor linked in ssl at the height of 'heartbleed' - something which pretty much nobody is speaking of today
11:52 mircea_popescu they're going through the good dev bad dev routine on reddit, somehow none of them seem to remember where the actual ammo is stored.
11:52 mircea_popescu herpitty-derp and a bottle of "thank you for all your hard work".
11:52 mircea_popescu ;;google multumim din inima partidului
11:52 gribble Multumim din Inima Partidului - Cintece Patriotice - Epoca de Aur ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKkDeGpEi4s>; Multumim din Inima Partidului - PCR - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDDv22CIaRw>; Corul de copii radio-Multumim din inima partidului - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx9TFc3aauM>
11:52 mircea_popescu !up ShawnLeary
11:53 mircea_popescu looking forward to all the reddit threadsa going "thank you mp for bashing hearn's head right before hearn managed that one".
11:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.00052768 = 14.8014 BTC [+]
11:57 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219090 << i'd pay per view.
11:57 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 05:17:09; punkman: he should practice his archery on those protestors outside his office
11:59 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219135 << why so bitter lol.
11:59 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 09:34:04; jurov: plus without scrubbing everyone'd be able to take some clearsigned text, slap on malicious JS and whatnot and have it published
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12:02 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219161 << there's no wai out with you people is there.
12:02 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 12:47:20; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218391 << 7-year-old-me would have said "don't kill me!" so...
12:02 mircea_popescu what the fuck cult is this with such diversity.
12:02 * mircea_popescu adds "cult doesn't work" to the ever-lengthy-er list with "linux doesn't work and gcc doesn't compile" on it.
12:05 mircea_popescu actually this may well be how to know you live at the dawn of a civilisation. shit doesn't work and you imagine this to be an exceptional, remarkable, worrisome thing.
12:06 mircea_popescu or in other words the advantage of non-orphans is that they have parents to blame.
12:07 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219170 << culture, generally. observation as ancient as the original cro-magnon / neanderthal divide. N the Ist famously made it, and look where it got him!
12:07 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 12:49:57; kakobrekla: nah, the correct observation would be that religion is a virus and religious people ill.
12:09 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219177 << the conflict there's purely rhetoric. in the much more comprehensible slave-master dynamic, it's still teh master that chooses the slavegirl. the perceived challenges to free choice this brings are purely imagined by the perceiver.
12:09 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 12:56:17; shinohai: If there *is* a God jurov, I'd like to think he chooses you, instead of vice-versa. I know all the "free will" speeches.
12:12 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219216 << java people are certainly going to fry.
12:12 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 13:20:01; shinohai: Not sure if my pal pussyfreak is here, but he is a Java developer. I hate Java, but I haven't tried to kill him or tell him he is going to fry if he doesn't use Python instead.
12:14 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219234 << yet sick is strictly the most common, oldest and widestly still used reason to ban someone.
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12:14 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 13:32:51; kakobrekla: I think it is wrong to ban a person just because they hold different beliefs. < this doesnt make much sense , but > I think it is wrong to ban a person just because are sick. < does.
12:14 mircea_popescu google staten island and for that matter recent suspension of flights to africa.
12:21 shinohai I could never wrap my head around java at all.
12:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89556 @ 0.00052078 = 46.639 BTC [-] {5}
12:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 221292 @ 0.00051452 = 113.8592 BTC [-] {6}
12:39 ben_vulpes <trinque> boost also barfs about a number of targets, none of which seem to have mattered. << have seen, wrestled this beast, multiply
12:40 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
12:41 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219316 << hanbot, what are the remaining issues?
12:41 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 15:01:30; mircea_popescu: <gribble> Sent 57 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> dulap desperately needs to not be the only industrial-sized therealbitcoin node. phuctor is severely i/o starved << so help hanbot get it going.
12:41 mats http://pastebin.com/PT8yQgky
12:41 assbot www.generalbundesanwalt.de FULL SQL DUMP - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXLgsg )
12:42 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219317 << 100Mb+, colocated
12:42 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 15:07:09; shinohai: asciilifeform: what, exactly, constitutes an industrial-sized therealbitcoin node?
12:42 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219322 << handwritten. like his asm. the whole site and product is a thing of beauty.
12:42 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 15:09:07; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218827 << i find it's a pretty good heuristic, this. plaintext html ? guy's doing ok. bootstrap ? retarded kids couldn't find their way to etsy.
12:43 mats previous link re: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9976043
12:43 assbot “Suspicion of treason”: German attorney general investigates journalists | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXLsaV )
12:43 mats AG gets breached
12:44 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219379 << on reflection, mircea_popescu is right. but 20th c. tech ~does~ make a difference, we are not living in the age of diderot et al
12:44 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 15:47:53; mircea_popescu: les encyclopederastes were chiefly in this same business.
12:51 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219376 << such as ... ?
12:51 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 15:45:57; mircea_popescu: there's plenty of gyroscopes much cheaper, faster and broadly speaking better than "reinterpret history"
12:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32822 @ 0.00054676 = 17.9458 BTC [+] {2}
12:52 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219395 << i still don't see how this is supposed to work. if signed by l1 - gets posted. otherwise - not.
12:52 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 15:59:14; assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 09:34:04; jurov: plus without scrubbing everyone'd be able to take some clearsigned text, slap on malicious JS and whatnot and have it published
12:57 jurov ascii_field: it only checks whether it has clearsigned text somewhere
12:59 trinque decimation | asciilifeform: news to me: did you know you could send udp packets by writing to /dev/udp/ip/port?
12:59 trinque decimation | asciilifeform: news to me: did you know you could send udp packets by writing to /dev/udp/ip/port?
12:59 trinque decimation | asciilifeform: news to me: did you know you could send udp packets by writing to /dev/udp/ip/port?
12:59 ascii_field trinque needs new keyboard ?
13:00 jurov attachments are not filtered depending on whether they have a sig or not
13:00 trinque decimation: I believe /dev/udp and /dev/tcp are bashisms which do not actually exist as a device node
13:00 ascii_field jurov: gotta only post the signed bits
13:00 trinque ah fuck
13:00 trinque well there you go, in triplicate
13:00 ascii_field jurov: and it isn't true that 'no one uses' turdatron. ~i~ use.
13:00 ascii_field (hence why i bitch about it nonstop!)
13:01 jurov ascii_field: yes that calls for enhancing the scrubber not for removing it as trinque said
13:01 ascii_field i've no issue with the scrubber, only the filename mutilator
13:04 mircea_popescu http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/12/germany_drops_investigation_into_nsa_hacking_merkels_phone/ to go with that
13:04 assbot Germany drops probe into NSA's Merkel phone-hacking • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXNEiV )
13:05 mircea_popescu ascii_field what difference does it make ? technology pointedly makes no social difference, as per http://trilema.com/2012/anonimity-or-the-urban-versus-rural-dispute/#selection-201.223-209.0
13:05 assbot Anonimity, or the urban versus rural dispute. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXNHv6 )
13:06 mircea_popescu ascii_field [...] such as ? << been thinking of a usable packaging for your convenience since i said that.
13:07 mircea_popescu jurov why the fuck would it publish anything whatsoever other than what l1 people signed is beyond me.
13:08 mircea_popescu what is this, equality welfare world ?
13:08 ascii_field ^
13:09 jurov well, cuz it processes only one attachment at a time and i'm too lazy to redo it to consider signatures
13:10 mircea_popescu yeah but...
13:10 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219237 << took the socialism part out of it, threw out the rest, are good libertards.
13:10 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 13:45:16; decimation: danielpbarron: what does a 'practitioner of modern judaism' do exactly? like, they know they torah and tanakh but are too cool to follow them?
13:12 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219247 << shit that looks like the all-elusive last leak (tm)
13:12 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 14:06:24; asciilifeform: ^ if this is not a memory leak, then i fart toyotas.
13:13 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
13:13 ascii_field next-to-last
13:13 ascii_field (last is the one where each new block perma-swallows 300 byte of ram)
13:14 mircea_popescu nah, that one we know
13:14 mircea_popescu there is one we don't know.
13:14 mircea_popescu i guess you're right huh. next to last, worst.
13:14 ascii_field hence next-to-last.
13:14 mircea_popescu hopefully it actually is one.
13:15 ascii_field mircea_popescu: btw, is there any reason we oughtn't shoot any tx that's hung around in mempool for more than a few days ?
13:15 mircea_popescu i'll feel like having a lava lamp taken out of my asshole once this can finally be said. "no leaks!"
13:15 mircea_popescu ascii_field yeh. they could be legit. you don't wanna assume about the pool
13:15 ascii_field 'legit' is not a permanent citizenship in my machine ram !
13:16 mircea_popescu how about two weeks ?
13:16 ascii_field who ever hangs for two weeks waiting for a block ?!
13:16 mircea_popescu hm
13:17 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219408 < if someone has herpes simplex let them be, if someone comes here saying stupid shit, that wont fly.
13:17 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 16:14:16; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219234 << yet sick is strictly the most common, oldest and widestly still used reason to ban someone.
13:17 mircea_popescu word.
13:18 mircea_popescu ascii_field thinking about this... is this the thing that already drops shit txn ?
13:18 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219297 << what am i, Mr. Buy Everything ?
13:18 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 14:22:33; asciilifeform: re: yesterday's thread, i'm frankly surprised that mircea_popescu ~didn't~ buy the trunk line
13:19 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219299 << you somehow opt to neglect the point that this was actually done in practice.
13:19 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 14:24:11; asciilifeform: go try and ddos a tier 1.
13:19 ascii_field mircea_popescu: yes we drop
13:19 ascii_field mircea_popescu: was?!
13:19 mircea_popescu so if we drop how could anything end up 2 weeks old ?
13:19 ascii_field mircea_popescu: we drop ~bastard~ tx
13:19 mircea_popescu seems like an excellent error catcher, you wanna see if anything makes it that late.
13:19 mircea_popescu hence...
13:19 ascii_field mircea_popescu: that is, tx without an antecedent block in the machine
13:19 mircea_popescu nono, "tx paying too little per byte compared to others we know"
13:20 ascii_field this, eventually, yes
13:20 ascii_field but i'm not certain why bitcoind must be a long-term flophouse for tx that can't find a block to sit down in for weeks
13:20 ascii_field let the fella who generated it, rebroadcast until it gets in
13:20 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219306 << yeah it's pretty good.
13:20 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 14:31:24; decimation: fine, brocade sells cer 2024f-rt for $30k
13:21 mircea_popescu ascii_field for many reasons. such as for instance that we could see a situation where enemy controls 80% of hash and refuses to include your txn
13:21 mircea_popescu until someone in the 20% mines, it waits.
13:22 mircea_popescu generally speaking, every restriction is dumb.
13:22 mircea_popescu and as luck usually goes, we wil lcome to regret it.
13:22 ascii_field but why shouldn't it wait on its owner's box ?
13:22 ascii_field why on mine ?
13:23 mircea_popescu you relay.
13:23 ascii_field see, this is a 'fella walks in from the street and gets something for having a pulse' situation
13:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30450 @ 0.0005414 = 16.4856 BTC [-]
13:23 mircea_popescu tx passed the test, and is now a tx. should get something for this.
13:23 danielpbarron you'd have to keep the transaction in order to remember to not include it later
13:24 mircea_popescu this is the required balance to this scheme. yes, we kill all idiot children without anyu regard to the ever rising blood level on the floor or the tears of their mothers.
13:24 mircea_popescu but once they made it through that, they can have whatever they want.
13:24 ascii_field they can't have the n bytes when my machine only has K-n to offer !
13:25 ascii_field we have an elementary situation of not-enough-food-for-the-childrenz
13:25 mircea_popescu which is why the idea is to have X bytes, and then allow tx in according to pay.
13:25 ascii_field but they pay miners
13:25 ascii_field not relay
13:25 mircea_popescu the problem is solved there. no point solving it n other places.
13:25 mircea_popescu yes. yes they do.
13:25 ascii_field relay has to sit, eat the cost of existing
13:25 mircea_popescu we try to make this not be different
13:25 mircea_popescu relay will hopefully be paid by miner.
13:25 ascii_field rly
13:25 mircea_popescu yes rly.
13:26 kakobrekla dragons will enforce it.
13:26 punkman hope doesn't pay server bills
13:26 mircea_popescu the only way relaying as currently deployed may survive is if it somehow ends up in a compact with mining
13:26 ascii_field even if, on some distant tomorrow, we get this jam,
13:26 ascii_field my machine is not a hilbert hotel !
13:26 ascii_field has FINITE bytes
13:26 ascii_field can't have a monotonic eater of these.
13:27 mircea_popescu ascii_field again : we have a pool of X bytes. tx are allowed in only if they pay more than average fore that x.
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13:27 mircea_popescu this is where that problem is solved. no point also solving it somewhere else.
13:27 ascii_field mircea_popescu: does this mean that we lose half of all tx ?
13:27 ascii_field and then half of who remains ?
13:27 mircea_popescu whatever %
13:27 ascii_field ad infinitum ?
13:27 * danielpbarron can imagine situations in which full node operators get paid for the service of relaying -- for example, 1) end user pays node to relay his tx and 2) miner pays node to give him the choicest high-fee paying tx's exclusively
13:27 mircea_popescu if you have 8mb and mempool is actually 8gb, you lose 99.9%
13:27 ascii_field so, only do this when cache is full ?
13:28 ascii_field (at present, a node has no notion of 'full')
13:28 mircea_popescu yes.
13:28 mircea_popescu you set 10 bytes aside for "mempool". 1 tx comes, has 2 bytes pays 5. goes in. brings 4 brothers.
13:28 mircea_popescu now cache is full and to get in, either pay 10 per byte or go dangle.
13:28 ascii_field this works.
13:28 ascii_field who wants to implement ?
13:28 kakobrekla and each node has different cache size, brings on a bunch of mess
13:28 mircea_popescu right.
13:28 mircea_popescu kakobrekla that mess is good.
13:29 mircea_popescu this thing needs 3 knobs : total ram to be made available to relayer, and min $/byte to accept.
13:36 funkenstein_ so where does it go in the TX? is there an OP_ANYONE_CAN_RECEIVE or something for the relayers/mempool operators to put their addy in?
13:36 funkenstein_ or maybe best to keep the payment for those services in a separate tx
13:37 mircea_popescu or they could just rent vpn access like anyone ever since forever.
13:37 kakobrekla but then you need another tx to cover for that tx
13:37 danielpbarron you tell the full node what inputs and what outputs, node says ok here's a raw tx to sign (it includes an extra output pointing at node's own addr) and now you sign and give back
13:37 kakobrekla and another for that tx
13:37 kakobrekla and another
13:37 mircea_popescu why the fuck does everyone imagine the internet = the web is beyond me.
13:37 kakobrekla and .. you know where this goes
13:37 funkenstein_ loll, all the way down
13:38 ascii_field mircea_popescu: wai wat, who ?
13:38 mircea_popescu how do you think i buy pipe from tr ?
13:38 mircea_popescu tr=thomson reuters for simplicity.
13:38 ascii_field l0l!
13:38 * ascii_field used to work there
13:39 mircea_popescu good for you. so how did they sell datafeeds ? txn blabla ?
13:39 * ascii_field was not involved with this
13:40 mircea_popescu anyway. it bears insistingly repeating : the internet is big. the web is a pustule on its ass.
13:40 ascii_field well yes.
13:40 mircea_popescu wellsothen.
13:40 ascii_field did i miss a line in the log? where did the web thing come in
13:41 mircea_popescu i got annoyed at the "oh noes, how could this thing that's been done since forever be done"
13:41 * mircea_popescu takes off to get more alcohol.
13:41 ascii_field ah l0l
13:43 danielpbarron !up ShawnLeary
13:43 danielpbarron who are yoU?
13:43 ShawnLeary I'm Shawn Leary
13:43 ShawnLeary ;)
13:44 ShawnLeary I'm the organizer of the Jacksonville FL Bitcoin Meetup
13:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00053165 = 5.9279 BTC [-]
13:44 funkenstein_ danielpbarron> you tell the full node what inputs and what outputs, node says ok here's a raw tx to sign (it includes an extra output pointing at node's own addr) and now you sign and give back <-- this could work
13:45 jurov https://www.facebook.com/learys <3 <3 <3
13:45 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1HaZUYd )
13:45 jurov is that you?
13:45 ShawnLeary I like long walks on the beach and counterparty
13:46 trinque lol
13:46 danielpbarron heh i kinda like counterparty too
13:46 danielpbarron you heard of MEAT?
13:46 ShawnLeary is that like YACHTMONEY?
13:46 danielpbarron i don't follow the XCP scene, i just occasionally put up buy/sell orders for my asset
13:47 danielpbarron on a related note, someone bought up all my shares and I haven't bothered to re-up yet
13:47 ShawnLeary so MEAT is an asset then?
13:47 danielpbarron ya
13:47 ShawnLeary why would one want to own MEAT? to beat it? ;)
13:48 danielpbarron it's backed 1:1 with 'meat' from Kingdom of Loathing
13:49 danielpbarron not to be taken seriously -- I don't think it will be possible to keep an exchange on the blockchain if bitcoin is to have a future
13:49 ShawnLeary this is my first day in this channel, so will do some more reading and research on it. Do you have a link to Kingdom of Loathing?
13:49 danielpbarron but it's very interesting to me that there can be alternative tokens of exchange on the same proof-of-work
13:49 danielpbarron lol don't research KoL
13:49 danielpbarron just read the log here
13:49 ShawnLeary blockchain all the things :)
13:50 danielpbarron if you must research a game, do Eulora
13:50 danielpbarron we need more n00bs to gather stuff for us and to be apprentice crafters
13:51 danielpbarron and Eulora needs no such silly currency pass-through to have access to bitcoin, as it's currency du-jour is already bitcoin
13:51 shinohai I don't even think I own a computer capable of playing Eulora on xD
13:51 danielpbarron i think even the most basic graphics card should work; it's not the most cutting edge stuff
13:52 ShawnLeary Spells of Genesis?
13:52 shinohai ewwww
13:52 danielpbarron i used to have poor FPS but someone showed me what to comment out of a file to make all the superflous terrain decorations go away and that helped a lot
13:52 punkman Eulora's kinda laggy for me, with ati6450 or something
13:52 trinque ShawnLeary: best thing for you is to read the logs at log.bitcoin-assets.com; you'll find many topics you may (think you) have opinions on have already been treated there, and exceptionally well.
13:53 * shinohai wishes ppl still played MUDs
13:53 punkman shinohai: they do
13:53 shinohai Well I do on sdf, just not a lot of players anymore
13:53 danielpbarron shinohai, funny you say that; Eulora is supposed to eventually have a MUD-style client
13:54 shinohai Now THAT would be awesomeness
13:54 danielpbarron no reason to always render the whole 3d world
13:54 shinohai http://sdf.org/?tutorials/games_server_list
13:54 assbot SDF Public Access UNIX System - Free Shell Account and Shell Access ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hb1vNx )
13:54 danielpbarron a great deal of the gameplay is just numbers and waiting
13:54 danielpbarron like crafting and trading
13:54 trinque shinohai: I wanna say I had an SDF account in high school
13:54 trinque haven't seen that in very long
13:54 punkman shinohai: you might also enjoy this website http://ifdb.tads.org/
13:54 assbot The Interactive Fiction Database - IF and Text Adventures ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hb1AAT )
13:55 shinohai I always liked reading, so those sorts of games can really pull me in.
13:55 shinohai thx punkman
13:56 punkman (can play most games there straight in your browser)
13:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 1000 @ 0.00111 = 1.11 BTC
13:57 shinohai I ran a little citadel server for a while, which is about as basic of BBS as I can think of.
13:58 punkman danielpbarron: no reason to always render the whole 3d world << the 3d world serves no purpose at the moment if you ask me
13:58 ShawnLeary telnet MUDs?
13:58 ShawnLeary man that's going back
13:58 ShawnLeary I had to admit it, but as a young man I spent time on FuryMUCK
13:58 danielpbarron punkman, you might not be wrong there.. but then again the game is so mysterious I can't say that for sure
13:59 shinohai I don't like all the "fluff" of the interwebs as much.
13:59 danielpbarron for example, the mechanics are so poorly spaded that we can't be sure if it's always advantageous to level up; there might be cause to intentionally stunt your growth
14:00 danielpbarron depending on context of course (it is very advantageous to level up in the long run)
14:01 mircea_popescu <punkman> Eulora's kinda laggy for me, with ati6450 or something << it's pretty much all due to bad opengl implementation / dubious drivers. on compliant card-driver combos you get ~1k fps if reaosnably modern.
14:01 mircea_popescu i'm seeing 120 consistently on various 2007-2010 midmarket nvidia cards
14:02 mircea_popescu * shinohai wishes ppl still played MUDs << kol is a glorified browser mud. not horrible, i guess... /me made it for a coupla days, had enough.
14:02 danielpbarron hah you played it!?
14:02 shinohai I don't see my platform listed, closest is Ubuntu
14:03 danielpbarron not my kind of humor in the flavor text and the economy is not good enough to stick around
14:03 shinohai Most browser MUDs I have seen require flash, which is a no-no for me.
14:03 mircea_popescu danielpbarron yeah, cuz you kept talking about it
14:04 mircea_popescu word. exactly. there's so many silverman style dumbassery i can put up with.
14:04 mircea_popescu o really, "Actually ed the undying" is funny ? mmkay.
14:08 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> * shinohai wishes ppl still played MUDs << kol is a glorified browser mud. not horrible, i guess... /me made it for a coupla days, had enough. << What class did you give a go?
14:08 mircea_popescu pastamancer. of course. i play necros almost exclusively. since about... 9.
14:08 danielpbarron hahaha I'm also a pastamancer
14:09 danielpbarron necro was also my favorite d2 character
14:09 mircea_popescu i was doing pretty good, apparently im immune to the negative effects of qwops
14:09 mircea_popescu because skill kills. and so spent my time in the ravensomething library reading "you and evil things, a love story"
14:09 danielpbarron i thought those only drop from a certain unique item but then again i haven't played in a while
14:10 mircea_popescu danielpbarron sadly necro sucked in d2, ended up forced to do a cold sorc like everyone else (that wasn't a paly). but did a witchdoctor in d3, for the... month or so that survived.
14:10 danielpbarron yeh my main character online was a magic find barbarian
14:10 mircea_popescu i can't believe nobody has written the epic story of the greatesrt failure in modern gaming. it's not daikatana, it's diablo 3.
14:10 danielpbarron i've never seen a screencap from d3 let alone actually played it
14:11 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/diablo-iii
14:11 assbot Diablo III on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IyGrGa )
14:11 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/level-60
14:11 assbot Level 60 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IyGrWL )
14:11 mircea_popescu etc. if you care gan go through trololudens
14:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35092 @ 0.00053031 = 18.6096 BTC [-] {3}
14:16 Adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-07-2015#1219153 < we shall see
14:16 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 12:04:00; punkman: Adlai: does the rocket fly?
14:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79950 @ 0.00051121 = 40.8712 BTC [-]
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14:48 ben_vulpes <ascii_field> ocelots. << pallas cats!
14:57 decimation wait, I pointed out this exact situation a few weeks ago and the conclusion was 'pay relay', not 'miner pays relay'
14:58 decimation re: pay for tx relays
15:01 BingoBoingo And now idiots are talking about replacing the 21 million coin cap, congrats Reddit https://medium.com/crypto-brief/should-21-million-bitcoin-be-the-cap-755b7f02ac4e
15:01 assbot Should 21 Million Bitcoin Be the Cap? — Crypto Brief — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1HbeaA3 )
15:02 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: sha256sum buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz
15:02 ben_vulpes 4199d2baa67451752b4313dff2b5347bf07995142182af0415c5831693d89013 buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz
15:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86350 @ 0.00052445 = 45.2863 BTC [+] {3}
15:03 ben_vulpes sha1 matches the value in the providers sig tho
15:03 ben_vulpes o.O
15:04 BingoBoingo The @twobitallidiot is now all concerned abou "wealth concentration"
15:05 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
15:05 ascii_field mosquitos drink blood, thieves want to steal. big fat surprise.
15:06 ascii_field tr0l0l0l.
15:12 ben_vulpes (in case you missed it, ascii_field, my hash of the buildroot tar doesn't match yours)
15:14 ascii_field sig date ?
15:14 ascii_field (his, not mine) ?
15:15 ben_vulpes gpg: Signature made Sun 31 May 2015 09:29:39 PM UTC using DSA key ID 59C36319
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15:15 ascii_field ben_vulpes: also you took the 256 !!
15:15 ascii_field mine - matches yours
15:15 ben_vulpes bwaha.
15:15 ben_vulpes silent division by two operator.
15:16 ben_vulpes and mine yours.
15:16 ben_vulpes false alarm.
15:18 * trinque calls back the shitgnominators
15:20 shinohai ;;later tell thestringpuller please message me if you are still working on Debian Eulora plox, thx.
15:20 gribble The operation succeeded.
15:33 BingoBoingo !up Michail
15:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12451 @ 0.00052503 = 6.5371 BTC [+]
15:42 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
15:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00054215 = 4.798 BTC [+]
15:57 ascii_field http://www.chaos.ctpp.co.uk/index.html
15:57 assbot ChaOS - A Self-compiling Operating System ... ( http://bit.ly/1UcYkhR )
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16:14 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
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16:31 mircea_popescu <danielpbarron> for example, the mechanics are so poorly spaded that << re that "spaded", just you wait until you discover it's actually a noncomputable multivariate which doesn't even allow stable solutions in the real space.
16:40 mircea_popescu !up erg_
16:41 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo teh people whom nobody asked anything wondering about questions! it's a festival!
16:41 mircea_popescu <BingoBoingo> The @twobitallidiot is now all concerned abou "wealth concentration" <<< in normal terms, "wealth concentration" means "power centers that are not alligned with usg".
16:41 BingoBoingo Eh, it's too good for me to not have started putting together a qntra after runimating on it for a bit.
16:42 mircea_popescu shinohai does the ubuntu thing not work on debian ?
16:42 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo it is pretty lulzy, if one lulz that way.
16:42 shinohai Some of the dependencies are different for me, but I think I got it, mircea_popescu
16:43 mircea_popescu add a deb pagew to wiki if thi is the case.
16:43 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It really brings the whole shitgnome scheme together, even though the Selkis kid isn't even gnome enough to be a shitgnome himself
16:44 mircea_popescu yak, you know. anything can be yakked, and thus therfore on a long enough timeline with enough monkeys at keyboards, everything will be yakked.
16:44 erg_ thanks, mp
16:45 mircea_popescu aha. what brings you here ?
16:46 erg_ looking for the intelligent voices in Bitcoin
16:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79450 @ 0.00052439 = 41.6628 BTC [-] {3}
16:46 mircea_popescu o.O
16:47 shinohai I made the point about monkeys and keyboards in a similar fashion a few days ago.
16:47 shinohai Although in a self-deprecating manner.
16:47 mircea_popescu have some casual bondage as a prize. http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mejsc2Q2NP1r8xnxlo1_1280.png
16:47 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1guIaC0 )
16:48 shinohai I'll be on the lookout for her to arrive by post. ;)
16:48 erg_ She looks too satisfied and too clothed
16:55 shinohai http://redd.it/3f9e36 <<< moar ethereum lulz
16:55 assbot Ethereum: the World Computer : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1guJODM )
16:55 mircea_popescu oh, has it taken over my toaster yet ?
16:55 * mircea_popescu reminds slavegirl to buy toaster so ethereum toasterworld takeover may proceed unhampered.
16:55 shinohai God bless snapshillbot
16:56 trinque "without any possibility of downtime" what the fuck is this shit
16:56 trinque nevermind, I don't even want to bother.
16:56 erg_ What is the consensus here as to how Bitcoin evolves?? It occurs to me these debates about the software become less relevant in the future
16:57 shinohai Welp, add that to mah bucket list - fuck with Ethereum and their uptime.
16:57 trinque holy crap, they're trying to build in an end user programming thing
16:57 mircea_popescu erg_ tried the log ?
16:57 mircea_popescu trinque you just don't understand how marketing claims work.
16:57 shinohai If I have learned anything from #bitcoin-assets, it's that I can break shit.
16:57 jurov Bitcoin ftaghn.
16:57 erg_ reading some now - am new
16:57 trinque mircea_popescu: I mean that glass pyramid is cool, I guess
16:58 mircea_popescu Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu B'ah wgah'nagl fhtagn!
16:59 shinohai There we go letting mircea_popescu read from the Necronomicon again.
16:59 mircea_popescu trinque you old enough to remember when neobee took over cypruss or notrly ?
16:59 trinque I vaguely recall them being some scam or another
16:59 mircea_popescu ah it was glorious
17:00 mircea_popescu too bad one can't take a snapshot of "the consensus" of webidiots.
17:00 trinque I personally committed this end user programming fail at my last job
17:00 trinque the idea that you can just you know, "unlock" the "creativity" of a randomly selected bovine if the UI's "intuitive" enough
17:00 trinque wasn't my idea, but I bought in for sure
17:00 * ben_vulpes retches
17:01 trinque ben_vulpes: your grandmother doesn't want to write her own to-do app?
17:01 mircea_popescu trinque was the original nonsense answer to the question of the web. "oh, UGC will fill the holes! all we have to do is throw some widgets together and this torrent of FREE!!11 creativity, valuable unfiltered, will wash us all the way to the bank"
17:01 mircea_popescu made for some very lulzy years in the 90s
17:01 mircea_popescu that these twerps are still suckling that old goat in 2015...
17:01 mircea_popescu a lol unto itself.
17:01 trinque yep, this was the sad aftershock of that
17:02 * ben_vulpes is stuck maintaining the sad remnants of a UGC application
17:02 ben_vulpes it somehow found revenue.
17:03 trinque Mt Malinvestment
17:03 ben_vulpes it's useful for that narrow slice of people who find it useful.
17:03 mircea_popescu o hey i have a great idea
17:03 mircea_popescu what if we made a website that was a marketplace for songs people wrote!
17:04 mircea_popescu it could have like profile pages and upvotes
17:04 trinque sounds like an uber-idea
17:04 mircea_popescu we'll call them... flikes!
17:04 mircea_popescu it's catchy.
17:05 mircea_popescu thanks for the brainstorming guise, i think we created a lot of value. off to put another starbux coffee on this credit card someone mailed me for some reason.
17:05 ben_vulpes needs tour booking affordances
17:05 trinque brutal. my early 20s weep in pain
17:05 ben_vulpes and shirt selling
17:05 mircea_popescu ahgahahaha affordances ?!
17:05 ben_vulpes and social media integration
17:05 mircea_popescu is that dancing afore the fuck ?
17:05 ben_vulpes oh yes affordances
17:06 ben_vulpes no no the ui expert tells me that affordances are what you call things
17:06 mircea_popescu affordances : http://31.media.tumblr.com/54985e24e1f7f1d243d046611f83b053/tumblr_n3fi75rpx11ri9me7o1_250.gif
17:06 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1guLOvQ )
17:06 mircea_popescu (her name's Affor)
17:06 ben_vulpes affogadances
17:08 trinque ben_vulpes: imma need 3k for this moonscript conference I'm going to, kthx
17:09 BingoBoingo !up Duffer1
17:10 scoopbot_revived Selkis Tips Fiat Agenda For Bitcoin http://qntra.net/2015/07/selkis-tips-fiat-agenda-for-bitcoin/
17:12 mircea_popescu isn't that making the twerp into way too much ? what's next, "donald trump tips illuminati agenda for toupes" ?
17:12 mircea_popescu in other news on the templeos front, http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1090.cfm
17:12 assbot TITLE: PROSTITUTE'S CONVENTION HERALDS THE FINAL STEP IN ACCEPTANCE, ACCORDING TO THE SIX STEP ATTITUDINAL CHANGE PLAN! - Christian Updates - New World Order. ... ( http://bit.ly/1guNc1r )
17:12 ben_vulpes trinque: request approved, will reimburse once you close a deal worth 6k from conference generated leads
17:12 mircea_popescu "When America finally gets to the point when she legalizes prostitution, as she already has legalized homosexuality, she will be at the point when God will execute His judgment upon her, I.e., Death. In Seminar #2, we demonstrate to you that we believe the "Economic Babylon" in Revelation 18 is the United States of America. Read this chapter with this thought in mind, and shudder at the physical destruction God may hav
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17:12 mircea_popescu e in store for us."
17:13 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes what, he's sales ?!
17:13 ben_vulpes why the hell else is he going to a moonscript conference but to drum up more "fix my busted ass js" work?
17:13 trinque ben_vulpes: b-b-but!
17:13 ben_vulpes NO QUESTIONS
17:14 trinque you're not nurturing my growth!
17:14 ben_vulpes BUSINESS GROWS YOU GROW
17:14 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> isn't that making the twerp into way too much ? what's next, "donald trump tips illuminati agenda for toupes" ? << Kinda made himself too much after Gox. Twas bullet 1. This bullet 2.
17:14 trinque mircea_popescu: shit no! I belong in the code dungeon
17:14 trinque was just making fun
17:15 ben_vulpes in jokes on in jokes
17:15 mircea_popescu i still don't know what is he supposed to have done. rewrite trilema, badly, spend all day on twitter, try to come up with stuff on his own, made fool of self 3x, 5x, i forget. what's he notable for ?
17:15 mircea_popescu at least that tv dude without a station is a fag. what's this guy got ?
17:16 mircea_popescu trinque your joke application was denied. i will proceed to take the aforementioned seriously.
17:16 BingoBoingo Basically all that. Mostly nothing. He apparently though is embeded in with the New York bitcoin theater.
17:16 trinque lol
17:17 mircea_popescu well hopefully he gets 2mn to best practices bitcoin or something.
17:17 ben_vulpes next week: "hey trinque how's lunascript.butts?"
17:17 mircea_popescu :D
17:17 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes hey, i'll believe him once he turns it in over 9k lulz.
17:17 ben_vulpes trinque: where's your expense report for these 9k in lulz?
17:18 shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219785 <<< You sound like a mormon or jehovah witness spot on
17:18 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 21:12:51; mircea_popescu: "When America finally gets to the point when she legalizes prostitution, as she already has legalized homosexuality, she will be at the point when God will execute His judgment upon her, I.e., Death. In Seminar #2, we demonstrate to you that we believe the "Economic Babylon" in Revelation 18 is the United States of America. Read this chapter with this thought in mind, and shudder at the physical dest
17:18 BingoBoingo It seems like that's the sort of deal he has. Some fiaters pay him to run a fan club, he tries to "influence agent"
17:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00051219 = 11.9852 BTC [-] {3}
17:18 mircea_popescu shinohai it was a quote yo.
17:19 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo they must be some choice derps, he's less effectual even than that southern republican lobby chick with a funny name.
17:20 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: "But he went to a good school" - Famous last words, as far as I can tell also their Derp selection criteria. Best to head him off when he's weak least he Hearniate to a lager size
17:20 trinque ben_vulpes: yeah sorry, I realized moonscript was going to cause me to think too much, so I'm working on a new type system for Fey which will somehow hide the fact that I'm still using JS in a browser
17:20 mircea_popescu btw, anyone familiar with the personal history of one rachel uchitel ? some choice lulz there.
17:20 trinque ben_vulpes: any chance we can slip the release date til never?
17:20 mircea_popescu (ex hooker, applied for a private eye license, stuff like that. almost like an action movie plot irl)
17:21 ben_vulpes trinque: naw i need it in two weeks
17:21 ben_vulpes i'm locking you in the code hole until its done
17:21 * trinque organizes a hackathon
17:21 ben_vulpes or until you say its done
17:21 ben_vulpes or until i find your dessicated corpse
17:21 ben_vulpes whichever happens first
17:22 shinohai I'm on religious high alert today, sorry
17:25 mircea_popescu "Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew was a reality television show that aired on the cable network VH1 which chronicles a group of people as they are treated for alcohol and drug addiction by Dr. Drew Pinsky and his staff at the Pasadena Recovery Center in Pasadena, California. [...] In May 2013, Pinsky announced that season six was the final season, explaining that he was tired of the criticism leveled at him after celebrit
17:25 mircea_popescu ies he treated had relapsed and died."
17:25 mircea_popescu the many shades, the many sides, the many meanings of "treatment"
17:25 mircea_popescu and this unfair criticism which quashes the creativity of quacks!
17:26 mircea_popescu the world won't be a better place until we put an end to all this bullying, and global warming.
17:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00052949 = 6.1686 BTC [+]
17:28 ben_vulpes loveline was a pretty fun radio show.
17:28 trinque in the "hey dude, smell this" kind of way
17:28 ben_vulpes corolla and pinsky were no stern
17:29 ben_vulpes heh trinque has it
17:29 trinque train-wreck porn; I had many a lol
17:32 ben_vulpes trinque: https://lwn.net/Articles/651833/
17:32 assbot Django Girls one year later [LWN.net] ... ( http://bit.ly/1guRupF )
17:33 * mircea_popescu despises women in flats.
17:34 trinque ambassador of awesomeness, dear god
17:35 mircea_popescu words because words.
17:35 trinque good a segue as any to:
17:35 trinque http://trilema.com/2014/please-take-your-pills/#selection-21.0-25.1 <--> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153508 << there's something here which I've been chewing on for quite a while. I find that in myself past a certain point there are not words at all for the symbols I use to relate to my life. I've considered whether this is due to -->
17:35 assbot Please take your pills. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1eHENG2 )
17:35 assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 19:15:20; mircea_popescu: i would propose to you that's an excellent definition of a country : that place where young adults know who they are.
17:35 shinohai I have women visit me, i detest going out to them.
17:35 trinque http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-04-2015#1103915
17:35 assbot Logged on 18-04-2015 02:49:04; trinque: Citizenfive | What I'm saying, if I'm saying *anything*, is that the words don't matter. << I used to think this; lately I consider it an autoimmune disorder caused by lifetime immersion in symbolic shit
17:36 trinque this problem of the language meaning not-one-damn-thing explains a great deal to me
17:36 trinque I do wonder if anybody ever had words for the innermost stuff, or not
17:36 mircea_popescu the words are fine.
17:37 mircea_popescu just because you were stuck on windows web framework for a while means jack in the grand order.
17:37 mircea_popescu a site's a site and a web's a web.
17:37 shinohai "Primero hay que saber sufrir, despues amar, despues partir; y luego andar sin pensamiento."
17:37 mircea_popescu right. how do you get them to leave ?
17:38 ben_vulpes get? tell.
17:38 mircea_popescu he's a softie.
17:38 ben_vulpes give 'em a twenty
17:38 ben_vulpes that way they won't come back :P
17:38 mircea_popescu you'd be surprised.
17:39 ben_vulpes it's not an insultingly low amount?
17:39 ben_vulpes 200 i can see
17:39 mircea_popescu women don't care about being insulted by people they like.
17:40 mircea_popescu "Listen to old Gloria. The greater the sacrifice you ask a woman to make, the more she knows you love her. Honestly."
17:40 ben_vulpes ain't that the truth
17:40 mircea_popescu or somethinglikethat.
17:41 mircea_popescu species would be in one helluva predicament if they did care. kids get pretty fucking insulting.
17:42 ben_vulpes heh mostly in the sense of "i can't believe that you came out of me, idiot"
17:42 ben_vulpes it's not so bad though! just mean reversion in your face.
17:43 trinque ben_vulpes: you must've behaved yourself :D
17:43 mircea_popescu he looks like he was a pretty well behaved kid, yeah.
17:43 mircea_popescu still has all fingers, pansy shit like that.
17:43 ben_vulpes oh ho ho
17:44 ben_vulpes parents were just barely smart enough to know to not tell me what to do
17:44 ben_vulpes i was just barely smart enough to break all of the rules without ever telling anyone
17:44 mircea_popescu prolly never as much as set fire to the very boat keeping him afloat a glacier lake or anything
17:44 ben_vulpes mutually assured ignorance
17:44 mircea_popescu lol
17:45 ben_vulpes actually there was one rule
17:45 mircea_popescu in other news from hell, these fucktards actually put guar gum in CREAM
17:45 ben_vulpes "don't get caught"
17:45 mircea_popescu or what they call cream. fucking hell...
17:45 trinque yeah, I was brazen enough to push, got corrected in kind, did me some good
17:45 mircea_popescu i want my napolact sour cream pintsized jar!
17:45 ben_vulpes ;;ud napolact
17:45 gribble Google found nothing.
17:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00052949 = 7.6776 BTC [+]
17:45 mircea_popescu lol
17:45 ben_vulpes ;;google napolact
17:45 gribble Napolact - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napolact>; Napolact - Wikipedia: <https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napolact>; Napolact - Cluj-Napoca, Romania - Food/Beverages - Wall | Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/napolact?sk=wall>
17:45 mircea_popescu google...
17:45 ben_vulpes wat
17:46 mircea_popescu http://supermarketclaudia.ro/smantana-gospodar-napolact-400g << must eat this
17:46 assbot Super Market Online - Casa de Comenzi Online Bucuresti - Smantana Gospodar Napolact 400g ... ( http://bit.ly/1guU2nD )
17:46 mircea_popescu one is not a man until one has had smintina gospodar.
17:46 mircea_popescu 75% fat.
17:47 mircea_popescu also, http://41.media.tumblr.com/8d01952c82fec3bbb7ef056d56a6e7b3/tumblr_mh656leSVx1r0llf1o1_500.png
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17:47 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1guUfap )
17:47 ben_vulpes trinque: make any progress through keene yet?
17:48 trinque just ch1, plan to hit that more this eve
17:48 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: hyuuuuu
17:48 ben_vulpes trinque: ch4's got some magic
17:48 ben_vulpes define methods that run after other methods
17:49 trinque sort of pre-post guard stuff?
17:49 ben_vulpes yeah ish
17:50 ben_vulpes (defmethod (setf side-a) :after ... ) runs after someone calls (setf (side-a instance-of-triangle-class))
17:50 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218689 <<< i think ethercoin is just some eth altcoin where each ethercoin is redeemable for 1 eth or some shit like that - catching up on logs so nfi if this was pointed out later
17:50 assbot Logged on 30-07-2015 20:59:09; pete_dushenski: eth up a solid 20x over ipo price for those (like saifedean) who threw a couple bucks at it and are ready to cash the fuck out.
17:50 ben_vulpes poor man's consistency check?
17:50 hanbot ascii_field hanbot, what are the remaining issues? << rotor.sh sez: http://thewhet.net/han/rotorfail.txt (no patches) meanwhile mod6 has made progress on RI on ubuntu so still working on "manual" stator build.
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17:51 trinque ben_vulpes: actually I'm growing convinced it's the rich man's
17:51 trinque I can see all manner of places I can transplant db patterns into CLOS
17:51 trinque slot accessors being one of them
17:51 trinque "this shall have a goddamn foo"
17:51 trinque "this shall have n goddamn foos"
17:51 trinque so on
17:52 ben_vulpes i'm not quite certain how persistence is supposed to work in the absence of an external database, and over restarts/redeploys.
17:52 ben_vulpes i understand s-l-a-d, but not necesarily how to persist in-memory data structures over the running of a new system.
17:52 trinque dunno that it can, but perhaps it amounts to the "table scan" step of the query pipeline
17:52 trinque everything else being in your program proper
17:52 ben_vulpes perhaps old system serializes its memory to disk before shutdown?
17:53 trinque this is where I'd want to transactionally snapshot rather than -and-die
17:53 trinque save-lisp-and-carry-on!
17:53 ben_vulpes myeah, sure
17:54 trinque the shuffling of objects looks a lot like mmap, I'd bet
17:54 trinque I'm not clear on the interaction between long term storage and runtime just yet
17:54 trinque but surely it was treated in the golden age
17:54 ben_vulpes "statice"
17:56 gernika Can someone point me to the guide for installing gentoo properly for foundation purposes? Following the default guide and it's got steps for setting up systemd, which clearly I don't want.
17:56 ben_vulpes and i'm not quite sure what the "select * from Y" equivalent in a cl proggie would be
17:57 ben_vulpes !s gentoo guide
17:57 assbot 29 results for 'gentoo guide' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gentoo+guide
17:57 ben_vulpes gernika: see above
17:57 ben_vulpes http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide.txt << mod6 is this still up to date?
18:00 gernika ben_vulpes thanks
18:02 ben_vulpes !s -e
18:02 assbot : http://s.b-a.link/?q=-e
18:02 trinque ben_vulpes: perhaps CLOS calls for a greater distinction between your base facts and derived facts
18:02 trinque that is a question of mine as well, though
18:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00051121 = 9.2018 BTC [-] {2}
18:03 trinque what I mean is, say you want to work on n slots, perhaps you just bail to regular CL data structures from there
18:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00052949 = 8.6307 BTC [+]
18:12 BingoBoingo Come on scoopy, what does the Friday newsdump have in store for us.
18:12 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1218970 <<< i've seen this maccas kiosk images a few times now https://ihumanmedia.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/mcdonalds.jpg
18:12 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 02:37:25; BingoBoingo: Well, they will probably keep humans at the cash register to provide a surface for customers to direct anger at.
18:12 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IuIu9L )
18:14 trinque cazalla: that's going to be the ass end of asciilifeform's coke machine
18:16 scoopbot_revived France Seeks to Impose "Right to be Forgotten" Globally http://qntra.net/2015/07/france-seeks-to-impose-right-to-be-forgotten-globally/
18:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00052949 = 5.9568 BTC [+]
18:31 BingoBoingo cazalla: They throw that image around to hide the truth. No one "flips" burgers there anymore.
18:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32367 @ 0.00052769 = 17.0797 BTC [-] {2}
18:52 BingoBoingo * mircea_popescu despises women in flats. << No heel here http://www.orthopaedicsone.com/download/thumbnails/33687139/Case2a.jpg?version=1&modificationDate=1301943866000
18:52 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IuKS0d )
18:53 ben_vulpes eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
19:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00052949 = 8.1806 BTC [+]
19:09 asciilifeform mircea_popescu et al: heel shoes always seemed to me a slightly milder version of chinese foot-binding...
19:10 asciilifeform looks like trinque forgot to link his patch here? >>>> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000136.html <<<<
19:10 assbot [BTC-dev] Rotor! ... ( http://bit.ly/1hbPG4Q )
19:10 asciilifeform ^ anyone who had troubles with 'rotor', plz read ^ !
19:11 asciilifeform hanbot et al ^^^
19:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00052516 = 3.8074 BTC [-] {2}
19:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00053216 = 9.4458 BTC [+] {3}
19:26 trinque asciilifeform: I did, thank you sir
19:26 trinque and I meant to attach the thing, but apparently need to lern2emacs
19:26 trinque so if that thing's suitable, great, otherwise I'll send it again
19:33 mod6 yeah. the patch itself is mundged when sent like that because gnupg tries to escape hyphens; which is why "- ---" and "- -../dist/configure ..." happens.
19:45 phf <trinque> save-lisp-and-carry-on! << this is handled with a posix fork. also lets you do any sort of cleanup in child before dump, like closing socket connections and such.
19:49 mircea_popescu cazalla has not o.O
19:49 mircea_popescu so they don't actually have the product but are releasing a hype condenser ?
19:51 mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2015/07/france-seeks-to-impose-right-to-be-forgotten-globally/ << and once they're done with that, they may move on to imposing "married woman's right to be free from dna testing of offspring" globally.
19:51 assbot France Seeks to Impose "Right to be Forgotten" Globally | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1DfuULS )
19:51 mircea_popescu possibly the most batshit insane thing about france today is that you go to jail for having one done ABROAD.
19:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's exactly what it is. a milder version of chinese foot binding.
19:52 BingoBoingo Oh and a qntra post just fell out of reddit completely this time.
19:53 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo pretty great closer lol.
19:53 BingoBoingo ty
19:53 mircea_popescu anyway, whole french state can go hang. nobody has any right to be forgotten as long as i fucking live. for any reason under any circumstances in any context.
19:53 mircea_popescu i live to make whatever selection of inconvenient facts about the living and the dead a huge pain in their ass.
19:54 mircea_popescu never forget.
19:54 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/qeIlr seems to be missing from... https://archive.is/jF1cV or any other avenue of discovery that isn't a direct link...
19:54 assbot Selkis Tips Fiat Agenda For Bitcoin : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1DfvfOF )
19:54 assbot newest submissions : qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1DfvfOL )
19:55 mircea_popescu http://40.media.tumblr.com/9cd86be29c0052b758af6656cee65e28/tumblr_n33szisHYg1rus2mto6_1280.jpg << saving this for later, who knows, might be needed.
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19:55 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DfvkSv )
19:56 shinohai iirc, didn't mircea_popescu tip 4 tits one time?
19:56 mircea_popescu i wut ?
19:57 shinohai I swore I remember a trilema article where you paid chicks 0.5 to show tits in here.
19:57 shinohai I may be high.
19:57 mircea_popescu oh
19:57 mircea_popescu ;;google ill pay for your tits
19:57 gribble I'll pay for your tits on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/>; Smurfs xxx (plus words) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi3MQW9Xtrk>; 100 Bucks to Touch Your Boobs - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPZ6pgBIuC8>
19:59 shinohai Why yes, that is the one. That means I am not quite as inebriated as I thought.
19:59 cazalla mircea_popescu, no, i think someone else just created a knock off to skim a little more cream off the top .. https://www.ethercoin.cc/ (regged august last year) that is the coin pete linked anyway, not legit scam eth
19:59 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dfw2io )
19:59 mircea_popescu o.O
19:59 mircea_popescu scams atop scams...
20:00 shinohai That's all the altcoin world is
20:01 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/BPoTj
20:01 assbot How many tumblrinas does it take to change a lightbulb? : Jokes ... ( http://bit.ly/1DfwEoq )
20:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2854 @ 0.00051408 = 1.4672 BTC [-] {3}
20:05 phf trinque: http://paste.lisp.org/display/152720
20:05 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ie3Xos )
20:08 mircea_popescu https://github.com/pf << on top of everything else, phf shares alf's passion for a certain large cat!
20:08 assbot pf (Philip Fominykh) · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1DfxS2P )
20:09 shinohai pallas
20:10 phf ha
20:11 phf i mostly need to make sure my developers get the right idea
20:11 mircea_popescu what idea is that ?
20:13 phf your merge request is probably poor, and i will get mad
20:14 mircea_popescu haha i c
20:15 ben_vulpes hey phf how much of bitcoind have you implemented in common lisp yet?
20:16 shinohai https://twitter.com/CyberExaminer/status/627271411510349824
20:16 shinohai bout time
20:17 mircea_popescu dude the dumb fuck actually stuck around ?
20:17 mircea_popescu too fat to fly or what exactly.
20:18 phf ben_vulpes: since last time i only added blkindex.dat reader
20:18 shinohai I would have thought he would already have been waaaaaaaaaaay away
20:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.0005358 = 11.734 BTC [+] {3}
20:18 shinohai fagical tux
20:18 mircea_popescu i guess they served him with a stay put order a year ago
20:20 ben_vulpes p nice, phf
20:20 mircea_popescu !up alpalp
20:21 shinohai I just don't see this as a stellar idea: http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexkonrad/2015/07/31/driveway-raises-10-million-to-track-driving/?utm_campaign=ForbesTech&utm_source=TWITTER&utm_medium=social&utm_channel=Technology&linkId=15988103
20:21 assbot This Startup Wants To Help Insurers Track Your Driving Habits Through Your Phone - Forbes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ie6qPx )
20:22 shinohai unless you are an insurer
20:22 phf ben_vulpes: your discussion with trinque is apropos. naggum had a technique described in one of his emails, where he would load/unload clos objects' data transparently on demand. i want to experiment with that as far as block index
20:22 * mircea_popescu is curious what comes of this.
20:23 alpalp :mircea_popescu: ty
20:23 mircea_popescu aha. what brings you here alpalp
20:23 alpalp Just seen some good conversations
20:23 alpalp friend of pierres
20:23 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219982 << l0l, polish partizan flag !?
20:23 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 23:55:04; mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/9cd86be29c0052b758af6656cee65e28/tumblr_n33szisHYg1rus2mto6_1280.jpg << saving this for later, who knows, might be needed.
20:23 mircea_popescu cool
20:23 alpalp Think I saw something with loltwobitidiot today on twitter where someone destroyed him in here
20:24 ben_vulpes phf: we're drinking and talking about how to persist data appropriately in cl proggies as we speak
20:24 ben_vulpes s/in/from
20:24 alpalp i have been drinking as well
20:24 mircea_popescu alpalp i don't think b-a was ever too impressed with the guy.
20:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i have one with polish panzers from ww2 too! http://40.media.tumblr.com/8c5c0456efe34fd131867db912a74f5b/tumblr_n2c0scTFxD1rpyus3o1_1280.jpg
20:25 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ie6T4d )
20:25 alpalp Nope, he had some inside leak on gox and besides that been lol
20:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: l0l! yes, them.
20:25 alpalp Met him last year, def does not get it.
20:25 mircea_popescu (contrary to what superficial students of history may surmise, i did mean the background ones)
20:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i was going over your proposed algo for tx cache eugenics. seems to me like it is suboptimal, in that it only rejects or accepts ~new~ tx based on net loss/gain. what it ~really~ ought to do is to keep the cache sorted by $/mass at all times, and ~evict the bottom loser~ every time the cache fills and a winner knocks on the door.
20:26 mircea_popescu i thought this is what i had proposed.
20:26 mircea_popescu course earlier today was like the 4th restatement, and i am not known for improved expression over time.
20:27 asciilifeform mno,
20:27 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-07-2015#1219530
20:27 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 17:27:00; mircea_popescu: ascii_field again : we have a pool of X bytes. tx are allowed in only if they pay more than average fore that x.
20:27 asciilifeform ^ iirc this was in all 4 suggested versions
20:27 asciilifeform 'accept or reject every incoming tx based on where it falls with respect to average $/mass'
20:28 asciilifeform and now for part 2 of the algo,
20:28 mircea_popescu im too lazy to dig through the logs. but yes, your thing's the winner.
20:28 asciilifeform the obvious thing to do after this:
20:28 asciilifeform let ~peers~ access the cream of tx (top of sorted cache)
20:28 mircea_popescu aha.
20:28 mircea_popescu kinda the whole point.
20:28 asciilifeform not everyone, mind you
20:28 asciilifeform but ~peers~
20:29 mircea_popescu peers/payers
20:29 asciilifeform as in, folks who paid for the vpn key.
20:29 asciilifeform aha.
20:29 mircea_popescu should also allow those peers that provide the fat.
20:29 asciilifeform how's that work
20:30 mircea_popescu (original design was to simply shutter all connecting peers that fail to provide good $$$ txn, in some sort of %)
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20:30 asciilifeform thing is, this'll result in a very random selection at present
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20:30 asciilifeform just like disconnecting bastard-spewers
20:30 mircea_popescu random is hard to beat in practice.
20:30 mircea_popescu moreover, random is what spwaned forth the incredible complexity of life.
20:30 asciilifeform what i mean is that presently, a disconnect costs us.
20:30 mircea_popescu let there be a selection pressure in this petri dish.
20:30 asciilifeform in that there aren't that many folks on decent pipes connecting
20:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and not fucking all comers costs the female, too.
20:31 asciilifeform and losing one statistically means that it is replaced by cattle on dsl
20:31 mircea_popescu i think this is one of those situation where suboptimal wins. let us "lose", i'll take the loss.
20:32 asciilifeform wanna suggest a numeric value for the penalty constant ?
20:32 asciilifeform or hell, we can make it a knob.
20:32 mircea_popescu config file.
20:32 asciilifeform aha.
20:32 mircea_popescu ^
20:32 asciilifeform so i'm still at a loss as to how to subscribe those that supply the fat.
20:33 mircea_popescu well what i was thinking was the converse (shuttering those who fail to provide acceptable txn, in sufficient proportion)
20:33 mircea_popescu it's a start.
20:34 mircea_popescu it leads to the following game theoretical situation : want your node to be well connected ? simply tell IT your decent fee paying txn.
20:34 mircea_popescu sort of like those robot fight cage matches things.
20:34 asciilifeform ^ this was sorta where i wanted to go
20:34 asciilifeform however, the friction has to be sufficiently low
20:34 mircea_popescu we're rich, we can afford not to give a shit atm.
20:35 mircea_popescu later on, unstoppable.
20:35 mircea_popescu because, as they say in omaha, "you're smart and i'm right, you'll figure it out"
20:35 asciilifeform what i mean is, it has to be +ev for someone to even touch this.
20:35 asciilifeform (someone other than us maniacs)
20:35 mircea_popescu us maniacs are really all that matters, in the grander scheme of things.
20:35 asciilifeform but we don't mine.
20:35 asciilifeform (afaik...)
20:35 mircea_popescu doesn't matter.
20:36 asciilifeform except that, as i understand, this is a mechanism where miner is one of the moving parts
20:36 asciilifeform what am i missing ?
20:37 mircea_popescu suppose we're in the park. "throw the crumbs over there" "but the birds won't see them" "doesn't matter, we're the only things that matter here" "but we don't cluck"
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20:37 mircea_popescu indeed, we don't.
20:37 mircea_popescu we also don't die if we miss the crumbs.
20:37 asciilifeform that's kinda what i meant by +ev
20:37 mircea_popescu for instance : i will be putting all my txn out through my own nodes, once this exists.
20:38 mircea_popescu im currently about 1/3 the reason bitpay even stays in business, fwiw (not much).
20:38 asciilifeform l0l!!
20:38 mircea_popescu heck, last month i was a good chunk of coinbase too, because of that buysellads failed experiment.
20:39 mircea_popescu and other such things.
20:39 asciilifeform usg's #1 source of coin !
20:39 asciilifeform mega-l0lzie
20:39 * mircea_popescu is tolerant.
20:39 asciilifeform birdz gotta eat.
20:40 asciilifeform https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/07/stupid-patent-month-do-it-computer << in other lulz
20:40 assbot Stupid Patent of the Month: Trolls Go After Sex Toy Manufacturers | Electronic Frontier Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1VSbQJn )
20:42 mircea_popescu in any case : reasonable bw, fee paying no bs txn is a very hard to beat prop, ev wise.
20:42 mircea_popescu in fact it may actually be more productive for nearby miner to mine based off our nodes than the stupid shit the chinese do currenty
20:42 * asciilifeform resigns to probably having to write this, too.
20:42 mircea_popescu it's no emergency really, if its in by the next halving it's soon enough.
20:42 * asciilifeform or rather, to testing the version he secretly wrote already
20:43 mircea_popescu they should have gasenwagen'd you when they had the chance, eh ?
20:43 asciilifeform plenty of time.
20:44 mircea_popescu for they ion the know : i got a pile of specialty chocolates here, and i will win the fight!
20:45 * hanbot wonders if asciilifeform has also secretly already written the match trick solution
20:46 mircea_popescu ahahaha ouch.
20:46 asciilifeform hanbot might find out the next time asciilifeform visits
20:46 hanbot :D
20:47 cazalla deedbot- http://qntra.net/0715.txt
20:47 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ie9A5Y )
20:47 deedbot- accepted: 1
20:47 mircea_popescu 11,219 words woot, is that the record ?
20:48 cazalla nope, i think that is like 15k maybe
20:48 mircea_popescu aha
20:48 * asciilifeform bbl
20:48 cazalla but considering ddos and my return to full time employment, not a bad month
20:48 scoopbot_revived Qntra (S.QNTR) July 2015 Statement http://qntra.net/2015/08/qntra-s-qntr-july-2015-statement/
20:48 mircea_popescu 12k in march too
20:49 BingoBoingo Not bad for DDoS month
20:49 mircea_popescu q1 levels.
20:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 2938 @ 0.00110999 = 3.2612 BTC [+] {2}
20:52 trinque qntra's my preferred news source, point blank.
20:53 trinque refreshing break from the endless horse-shit elsewhere
20:57 shinohai ^
20:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00053791 = 12.3181 BTC [+]
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21:36 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219896 <<< i've seen so many of these floating around that i think they publish it to facebook on purpose
21:36 assbot Logged on 31-07-2015 21:47:25; mircea_popescu: also, http://41.media.tumblr.com/8d01952c82fec3bbb7ef056d56a6e7b3/tumblr_mh656leSVx1r0llf1o1_500.png
21:45 BingoBoingo Did we all get wedged off again?
21:46 danielpbarron height=367850
21:46 BingoBoingo I'm at 367850 but apparently there is a 367857 floating around somewhere?
21:46 danielpbarron ;;blockheight
21:46 gribble Error: "blockheight" is not a valid command.
21:47 danielpbarron ;;lastblock
21:47 gribble Error: "lastblock" is not a valid command.
21:47 danielpbarron ;;tslb
21:47 gribble Time since last block: 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 28 seconds
21:47 BingoBoingo Showing a 367858 nao
21:47 BingoBoingo https://btc.blockr.io/
21:47 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBS4Nq )
21:47 BingoBoingo Just there, not here
21:49 BingoBoingo Big, lots of fees wonder where the turd is https://btc.blockr.io/block/info/367851
21:49 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBSl35 )
21:49 cazalla ;;later tell mark_zuckerberg hey, grats on the daughter, she'll come of age just in time! http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/07/31/the-zuckerbergs-announce-theyre-expecting-a-baby-after-a-personal-struggle/
21:49 assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBSrrl )
21:49 gribble The operation succeeded.
21:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00051121 = 9.5085 BTC [-]
21:51 BingoBoingo Anyone with a sync'd foundation build know what 367851's problem is? ben_vulpes mod6 asciilifeform?
21:53 BingoBoingo SPV miner turdations? https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fd2a9/f2pool_setting_a_new_record_most_transactions/
21:53 assbot F2Pool setting a new record - Most transactions included in a Block : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU4HDF )
~ 15 minutes ~
22:09 punkman mircea_popescu: trinque you old enough to remember when neobee took over cypruss or notrly ? << I remember their derpy tv ads, unfortunately couldn't find them recently, wanted to show a friend
22:13 punkman "The one rule they have adhered to throughout the Django Girls process is to "always go the extra mile" and the details of the workshops show this, they said. The room is decorated with flowers and balloons, rather than being a "boring classroom" and they do fun things like cupcake tasting or yoga during the day. "
22:13 punkman yeah need more fun things to do instead of programming
22:13 punkman because that's icky
22:13 mircea_popescu right ?
22:13 mircea_popescu you'll get more women in tech by making tech more like birthing class.
22:14 * BingoBoingo backing up blockchain, going to see if doubling DB locks fixes anything
22:14 punkman http://coach.djangogirls.org/
22:14 assbot Introduction | Django Girls Coaching Manual ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBWiVn )
22:15 mircea_popescu sad that they've gotten us girls so ashamed of cupcakes by now it gotta be a "tasting", it can't be just you know, EATING
22:15 mircea_popescu like it were alcohol or something
22:16 mircea_popescu dirty in the eyes of the hunchback protestant microgod.
22:16 punkman "Make sure their experience is positive and that they have fun. Do not judge, be helpful and appreciate their (in-)abilities."
22:17 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo not clear yet.
22:17 trinque punkman: how in the fuck do you think without judging?
22:17 punkman trinque: don't judge
22:17 mircea_popescu "The ability to answer all sorts of questions in a beginner-friendly way (even if that means the explanation isn’t technically precise)"
22:17 mircea_popescu they're like purposefully useless.
22:17 trinque punkman: mooo
22:19 trinque once you can internalize a lie like "don't judge" you're broken
22:19 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo not clear yet. << Well just a few minutes until my pure blockchain finishes copying to safety so I can test something
22:19 trinque how could you possibly exit that state?
22:20 mircea_popescu beatings.
22:20 trinque certainly not from within, that's for sure.
22:20 trinque that there are "stuck" human states *necessitates* the beatings
22:24 BingoBoingo K, moar locks doesn't seem to be fixing wedge
22:24 punkman Q: Is there a Django Girls for men? A: There doesn't seem to be a need for Django Boys at the moment.
22:24 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i doubt the scamfoundation/obsolete bitcoind will be resurectable on the mid term.
22:25 BingoBoingo Seems likely. I'm just wondering what this crud is that wedged just now.
22:26 mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/danielpbarron << apparewntly dpb has been doing his own version of b-a bash
22:26 assbot Daniel P. Barron (@danielpbarron) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBY9JP )
22:26 cazalla BingoBoingo, apparently ya were trollin' https://twitter.com/twobitidiot/status/627237656016121856
22:26 danielpbarron heh yeah
22:27 trinque god damn it, neighbor's drunk singing soul music
22:27 trinque I'm a little buzzed, any soul music coming out of me?
22:27 trinque damn right there's not
22:27 cazalla ah shit, danielpbarron beat me to it
22:28 decimation re: tx fees & relays: it would be interesting if there could be some kind of market for fees
22:28 mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/davoutplantaire/status/626497759395356672 << i lulzd.
22:28 decimation but I'm not sure how to do it without introducing more centralization
22:28 mircea_popescu frenchie gets it quite exactly, we're at that creepy stalking phase atm
22:30 mircea_popescu danielpbarron so you actually got teh tools for sunday ?
22:30 decimation it's more like it's 1906 in the aircraft business
22:31 BingoBoingo Oh test node with megalocks is now at 367863
22:31 BingoBoingo !up TheButterZone
22:31 decimation I suppose the 'market' will just be what happens naturally as folks shop around for reliable nodes
22:32 mircea_popescu decimation i would imagine it should be emergent.
22:32 mircea_popescu right.
22:32 mircea_popescu one of the funniest things i saw in egypt was the following thing :
22:32 mircea_popescu i'd go into a shop, ask for something. shop owner would run me off to a different shop (i kid you not, leave his thing, wide open, whatever - nobody steals in arabworld apparently)
22:32 mircea_popescu and the other guy would sell me whatever and then pass the original guy a bill or two.
22:33 trinque chop off hands for a while and look what happens
22:33 mircea_popescu because baksheesh is a way of life.
22:33 decimation lol
22:33 mircea_popescu i kid you not.
22:33 decimation they are a culture of middlemen
22:33 decimation I suppose cooperating in this way, the whole town is 'walmart'
22:34 mircea_popescu and seeiong how their lyra was at the time ~a quarter, i expect they got the value of txn just about precisely enough to be usable in bitcoin
22:34 mircea_popescu ie, to the 10-100 satoshi
22:34 punkman so if Hearn trusts in the Gospel of Satoshi, why isn't he running 0.1 or 0.5.3? "No it wasn't. That is something you invented yourself much later. "Small devices" isn't even defined anywhere, so there can't have been any such understanding. The actual understanding was the opposite. Satoshi's words: ..."
22:34 mircea_popescu amusingly, the jew, coptic and muslim groups crossed borders, too!
22:34 BingoBoingo All interested parties here is my debug.log http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/debug.log
22:34 mircea_popescu in fact - pretty much everything in the "received knowledge" of jews is hysterically counter-realistic to anyone who has you know, actually travelled.
22:34 danielpbarron mircea_popescu> danielpbarron so you actually got the tools for sunday ? << i got 9 axes and 9 hoes and i'm just now working on adzes (which require a slightly different method)
22:35 mircea_popescu by which i mean... outside of iowa.
22:35 mircea_popescu danielpbarron prolly should publishe the whole thing monday. it's not a trivial math problem
22:35 mircea_popescu well, asciilifeform would say it is, sure. but there's levels in triviality.
22:35 mircea_popescu !up jnpn
22:35 danielpbarron it sorta is trivial
22:36 mircea_popescu danielpbarron you got the actual function to select optimal usage/mixage of tools given a set ?
22:36 danielpbarron yes
22:37 mircea_popescu in lisp ?
22:37 danielpbarron no
22:37 mircea_popescu (probably ideal usage of lisp, check me out phf im doing lisp girls coach over here!)
22:37 danielpbarron well i don't have a function; i have a formula
22:37 danielpbarron and equation rather
22:37 mircea_popescu aha.
22:38 mircea_popescu actually this'd prollybe interesting to our very own gabriel_laddel too.
22:38 phf i misread that as "couch", was not surprised
22:38 danielpbarron it took me a day of thinking about it off and on to come up with
22:39 mircea_popescu lol
22:39 BingoBoingo My favorite part of reading my debug.log is getting to see all the transactions that don't make it to the mempool
22:40 mircea_popescu (the problem, ftr, is : you get a set of tools, with arbitrary durability. you can mix any set (which floor-averages), and decay any individual tool (fixed rate). make a collection of 9 with durabilities from 1 to 9)
22:40 mircea_popescu in practice the mix operation is cheap and the decay operation expensive.
22:41 mircea_popescu so, find optimal path and prove it's optimal.
22:41 danielpbarron i plug in a few numbers into equation, solve for x, paste my macro x-many times, let it run while i do other stuff
22:41 mircea_popescu for bonus points, offer preference criterion (would A or B be more beneficial if added to the set)
22:41 mircea_popescu decimation tis a hack.
22:42 danielpbarron i might not be doing it optimally
22:42 danielpbarron but we need the explored resources anyway; it's not like i'm wasting time doing somethign i wouldn't have done otherwise
22:42 mircea_popescu ah not at all
22:42 mircea_popescu was just going after the math angle of it for a second
22:46 mircea_popescu and in other news, kittens! http://36.media.tumblr.com/e519966614bc428712a590649c7b6c83/tumblr_mm6tm0a3LP1ryf5q7o1_1280.jpg
22:46 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JC0cNW )
22:46 trinque mircea_popescu: that show up on your doorstep?
22:46 mircea_popescu wut ?
22:46 trinque the kittne!
22:46 trinque *kitten
22:47 punkman https://medium.com/@sailorhg/coding-like-a-girl-595b90791cce
22:47 assbot Coding Like a Girl — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1JC0lRy )
22:48 mircea_popescu tis teh internet!
22:48 mircea_popescu "Heartbreakingly, at some age, we become convinced that doing anything like a girl means that you are doing it ineffectively, wimpily, and in a way that can’t be taken seriously at all."
22:48 mircea_popescu ahahaha wut
22:49 mircea_popescu no dude, not heartbreakingly. the only human dumb enough to imagine girlhood's right is the girl in question.
22:49 mircea_popescu girlhood's something you hopefully grow out of. failure to grow out of it is the definition of retardation.
22:49 mircea_popescu ie, it takes you longer, perhaps infinitely long, to mature.
22:49 punkman it's mostly about clothes
22:49 punkman (the article)
22:49 mircea_popescu heh.
22:50 mircea_popescu anyway. why can't "coding like a girl" mean you write good documentation, for instance ?
22:50 mircea_popescu that's what i would like it to mean. "this was coded by a girl" should be the indication that if i follow the fucking thing, i get the intended result. NOT some error message.
22:50 mircea_popescu i've had enough of boy coding to last me five generations of myself.
22:51 decimation wimmin in tech!
22:51 mircea_popescu if i fuck her i get off, no exceptions ; if i follow her recipe i get a build - no exceptions. this is what it should be.
22:56 trinque "She went back home that night really frustrated and flustered."
22:56 trinque so... don't!
22:56 trinque fight 'em
22:56 trinque and stop waiting for someone to accept you
22:56 trinque then from the other angle, maybe she looked great in that dress, and the neckbeards couldn't take the heat
22:56 trinque so what?
22:57 trinque thoughts of a navel-fixated narcissist
22:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26836 @ 0.00051121 = 13.7188 BTC [-]
23:05 punkman "There is now a pull request to remove mention of "zero or low fees", "fast international payments", and "instant peer-to-peer transactions" from bitcoin.org. For those non-technical users who do not read source code, this may come across as the breaking of the social contract on what Bitcoin is ultimately intended to be."
23:06 trinque breaking the social contract lol
23:06 decimation lol
23:07 trinque at least with religious magical thinking it's anchored to a book.
23:11 punkman https://gist.github.com/JeremyRubin/4d17d28d5c681a93fa63 ahaha check out this comedian from MIT
23:11 assbot bip-STUAFS.mediawiki · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1OUdQfr )
23:12 punkman "Why don't you use short keys? They scale better"
23:13 trinque punkman: hey he says they should be secure, so they should be
23:13 trinque he's right
~ 22 minutes ~
23:35 punkman that gut wrenching feeling after you try 30 variations of an infrequently used password...
23:36 punkman the realization this trove of data is forever lost, sinking in
23:37 trinque brutal
23:37 punkman but then you take a walk and it comes back to you
23:37 punkman or not
23:37 trinque punkman: if it makes you feel better, the guy that yelled at me re: trannies, and which wrote tenyks, lost 130 odd btc that way
23:38 decimation http://www.macrumors.com/2015/07/31/ibm-200k-macs/ < interesting
23:38 assbot IBM to Purchase Up to 200,000 Macs Annually, With 50-75% of Employees Ultimately Switching From Lenovo - Mac Rumors ... ( http://bit.ly/1OUgnX7 )
23:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25050 @ 0.00053489 = 13.399 BTC [+]
23:38 decimation hopefully this will influence apple to turn osx into a more adult unix, but I wouldn't hold my breath
23:39 punkman lol
23:39 BingoBoingo I doubt IBM is running anything other than OS/370 on them
23:40 decimation heh those days are long gone
23:40 BingoBoingo At least they could run AIX
23:45 danielpbarron http://danielpbarron.com/debug.log-367850.txt
23:45 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1gvSnyd )
23:45 danielpbarron deedbot- http://danielpbarron.com/debug.log-367850.txt
23:45 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1gvSnyd )
23:45 deedbot- accepted: 1
23:46 BingoBoingo danielpbarron: You still stalled out?
23:47 danielpbarron ya
23:48 danielpbarron grep that file for 11DbException
23:48 danielpbarron > Db::put: Cannot allocate memory
23:48 danielpbarron > ProcessMessage(block, 999960 bytes) FAILED
23:49 danielpbarron the gnomes figured out a magic amount of bytes that got accepted by some but not all, except it seems their beloved bc.i got caught in the fire
23:50 BingoBoingo So it's more "non-deterministic behavior" and 40,000 probably just wasn't enough DB locks and objects to fix it
23:51 * trinque strives to imagine what could actually need to lock 40k records in a db
23:51 danielpbarron apparently this block set the record for number of transactions included
23:53 BingoBoingo danielpbarron: And the one two later apparently set another
23:54 trinque same thing done here with locks is probably also trivially represented by a nullable foreign key
23:54 trinque 40k locks boggles my mind
23:55 trinque ben_vulpes: what's the thing even locking?
23:55 trinque asciilifeform: ^^ ?
23:55 BingoBoingo It's March 2013 all over again
23:56 punkman danielpbarron: which node is that?
23:56 trinque like... what's the cost of making the threads just *not bump into each other* vs using locks because "that's what you do with concurrent code" ?
23:56 mats https://projectbullrun.org/dual-ec/documents/dual-ec-20150731.pdf
23:56 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1gvTNsw )
23:56 danielpbarron punkman, that's a 0.5.3.1-beta
23:57 mats 'dual EC: a standardized backdoor' by djb, tanja lange, ruben niederhagen
23:57 trinque really, can anyone explain why bitcoind must have 40k locks?
23:57 trinque or apparently more
23:57 trinque because that didn't cut it
23:58 BingoBoingo trinque: It seemed like a safer number than the one that wedged before
23:58 trinque I mean in that case infinite locks are best
23:58 trinque heh
23:58 decimation trinque: yeah this is standard for 'threaded' code
23:58 trinque decimation: 40k ?!
23:58 decimation folks can't be bothered to actually think about how to design things without collisions
23:58 trinque decimation: right
23:58 trinque exactly
23:59 trinque but what collides in bitcoind, these are transaction records?
23:59 trinque or what
23:59 trinque in my mental model of this thing there are not 40k things needing to be locked anywhere
23:59 decimation heh. there's several threads running simultaneously
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