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00:00 coderwill it's amazing how private companies have effectively firewalled freedom of thought/speech through broadcast frequencies
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00:00 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
00:00 asciilifeform same choice as everyone else.
00:00 asciilifeform coderwill: ~100 yrs ago.
00:00 decimation coderwill: it's so effective nobody even thinks in those terms
00:00 phf the question at the end of the day is, what to transmit. pirate in question had a pretty fixed, pkd-ish narrative. how many people would tune in and go "huh, that's so fucking cool, a crazy anarchis broadcast." just to tune out few minutes later
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00:00 decimation when was the last time you heard someone advocate the local tv station justify their monopoly on the supposedly public spectrum?
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00:00 decimation or verizon?
00:01 BingoBoingo If pirate radio why not AM?
00:01 asciilifeform how many people even own an am tuner
00:01 decimation am has more unused frequency space
00:01 decimation but it takes even more power to be heard
00:01 BingoBoingo At least one in car
00:01 decimation and has lots of noise
00:02 decimation plus the same problem with the fcc van
00:02 BingoBoingo The one in car normally tuned to AM rather than FM
00:02 BingoBoingo http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/maryland-heights-tech-firm-employee-accused-of-using-company-credit/article_089ab943-e138-5e55-aebf-efba8650288c.html
00:03 asciilifeform re: vans >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2014#712476 << see also.
00:03 assbot Logged on 11-06-2014 01:10:57; asciilifeform: a tale was once told to me by one fellow 'in the know': russia sold gps jammers (serious ones, not the chinese pocket gizmos off ebay) to iraq, shortly prior to '03 american invasion. but iraq didn't pay the full invoice. so, the vendor neglected to remind the buyer that they must be arranged in a ring pattern and operated in unison
00:04 decimation yeah it takes a special idiot to use strong gps jammer in a usg free-fire zone
00:04 asciilifeform 'Berrett also used his company credit card to spend $131.08 with Interactive Life Forms, parent company of sex-toy maker Fleshlight, and listed the purchase as exam test prep questions, the indictment says. Berrett paid $226.50 for a wine shipment from the Gold Medal Wine Club, listing the purchase as a “Bribe for the UNIX guys.”'
00:04 asciilifeform ^ mega-l0l
00:05 asciilifeform decimation: clever man uses sixteen of'em in a circle around the american general, let him shoot himself with own rocket
00:05 decimation yeah, would first have to surround said general
00:05 asciilifeform only with radio
00:06 asciilifeform or let the pencilnecks try to explain to him why the rocket ought not be fired
00:06 asciilifeform (who wouldn't pay to watch this)
00:06 decimation perhaps this will be tried one day
00:06 asciilifeform thing is, americans helpfully 'surround' themselves whenever they land in orcland
00:06 decimation the iraqs seemed incapable of organizing the day's post
00:07 asciilifeform just by virtue of building their 'green zone' in the middle of the jungle/desert
00:07 decimation asciilifeform: yeah a particularly lulzy strategy
00:07 decimation see yarvin's rants about 'pc coin'
00:08 asciilifeform 'In 2006, then-Savvis Inc. Chief Executive Robert McCormick earned the nickname “lap dunce” from the New York Daily News after being accused of charging a $241,000 topless-club bill to his corporate credit card.' << i seriously dun get it
00:08 asciilifeform wtf is the appeal of this
00:08 asciilifeform pay serious coin, as if for whores, but no sex
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00:09 asciilifeform or is 'stripper' merely another word for whore in modern parlance ?
00:09 * asciilifeform mystified
00:09 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> or is 'stripper' merely another word for whore in modern parlance ? << It often is.
00:10 asciilifeform and what kind of whoring costs six figures ?
00:10 asciilifeform seems like somebody is 'buying retail'
00:10 trinque can't be the whole picture
00:10 decimation it would have been cheaper to hire the strippers as secretaries
00:10 asciilifeform one could run a very serviceable harem for 250k
00:12 BingoBoingo Likely issue is with $maxint money it becomes easy to forget what reasonable prices are, end up with human golden toilet
00:12 coderwill why, in the lottery of life is one born to be able to spend $241K at a club, and another, by solely being born in a different lat/long only perhaps earning $241 after working for 6-9 months
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00:12 asciilifeform and e.coli bacterium earns even less
00:12 asciilifeform sad, no
00:12 decimation because zipf's law
00:13 phf i've seen a some american univ arabs burn 20-30k a night at k street clubs on bottle service, and that's dc. i can imagine you can do some serious damage in new york clubs
00:13 asciilifeform 'some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night' (tm) (r) (blake)
00:16 phf a bottle of stoly will cost you $200 just to get a table, and then $500 for dom perignon and things like that. 2007 or so it was chick to order top shelf, open them, and then not drink them, i.e. have a bunch of bottles barely touched, just because you could
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00:16 BingoBoingo http://www.themaneater.com/stories/2015/7/8/perspectives-zionism-class-canceled-due-no-enrollm/
00:16 assbot ‘Perspectives on Zionism’ class canceled due to no enrollment – The Maneater ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iq8Wpo )
00:17 asciilifeform phf: the ultimate pleasure is perhaps to pay a servant to pour the bottle directly into a (field-portable, in the back of limo) golden pissoire.
00:18 asciilifeform this is the idiot 'normie''s idea of 'rich'. not taleb's library, no.
00:18 asciilifeform we all laughed at rpietilla, but his antics were based on what actual $maxintillionaries do.
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00:19 decimation asciilifeform: I was reading about volkswagon and there's an amusing connection there
00:20 phf asciilifeform: these were mostly sons of minor arab families, sent to american university, because "america" in name to get western education. couple of them had kids of same age, parents at home "full expenses paid", kids education paid, but otherwise slave to prince in question
00:20 decimation hilter campaigned on the idea that car makers were intentionally ignoring the poor masses with their products
00:21 asciilifeform ditto ford
00:21 asciilifeform (who spent virtually whole life battling the patent cartels, in court and otherwise)
00:21 phf but i've personally not seen a single instance of "taleb's library" in anywhere around capitol hill
00:21 asciilifeform phf: what would saudi prince do with library? wipe arse?
00:22 asciilifeform stoke furnace for bath, as the halif did with library of alexandria?
00:24 phf asciilifeform: hey, i grew up in moscow, what do you expect? *i* expect saudi prince to drink fine wine and have learned debates supported by ibn-sina quotess and such :>
00:25 decimation http://www.ndr.de/kultur/geschichte/chronologie/Die-Gruendung-des-Volkswagenwerks-1938,vwwerk2.html "Fünf Mark die Woche musst Du sparen - willst Du im eignen Wagen fahren!"
00:25 assbot Die Gründung des Volkswagenwerks | NDR.de - Kultur - Geschichte - Chronologie ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iq960d )
00:25 asciilifeform the prophet forbade wine!
00:25 asciilifeform (but not hashish)
00:26 trinque that's just good taste if you're going to pick between.
00:26 decimation the original name of volkswagen (people's-wagen) was "strength through joy"-wagen
00:26 phf drink wine. this is life eternal. this is all that youth will give you. it is the season for wine, roses and drunken friends.
00:27 decimation anyone who lives within walking distance of capitol hill is spending their waking hours attempting to maintain their position
00:27 asciilifeform kraft durch freude !
00:27 decimation ^volksemphanger!
00:27 decimation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksempf%C3%A4nger
00:27 assbot Volksempfänger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iq9agi )
00:28 decimation " Albert Speer, said in his final speech at the Nuremberg trials:
00:28 decimation “ Hitler's dictatorship differed in one fundamental point from all its predecessors in history. His was the first dictatorship [...] which made the complete use of all technical means for domination of its own country. Through technical devices like the radio and loudspeaker, 80 million people were deprived of independent thought. It was thereby possible to subject them to the will of one man."
00:29 decimation if only hitler had made iphones with nasdp app!
00:29 asciilifeform 'j00z around me'
00:30 decimation actually the nasdp would have hearily approved of 'tinder', etc
00:30 decimation as long as it resulted in more german births
00:33 decimation http://www.salon.com/2004/12/03/kater/ "Following the now-infamous 1936 Nazi Party rally in Nuremberg, for instance, 900 BDM girls came home pregnant. "
00:33 assbot Hot and horny for Hitler - Salon.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iq9fke )
00:34 decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-02-2015#1033283 < asciilifeform: this is also the fuel that powered the french revolution/neopleanic empire
00:34 assbot Logged on 25-02-2015 16:31:47; asciilifeform: this is, by some indications, a non-renewable resource that's getting burned up rather quickly
00:36 asciilifeform it is also important to note that it is a ~heat engine~
00:36 asciilifeform i.e. requires both 'hot' and 'cold' parts
00:36 asciilifeform 'hot', in this case, being the world of the coolie, and 'cold' being the world he aspires to enter (or at least send his children to, oxbridge and harvaprinceyaleton)
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00:37 asciilifeform if the fluids equilibrate, engine - stops.
00:38 decimation yeah in the case of france it was 'derpy peasants' and 'austro-hungarian wealth'
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00:56 felipelalli deedbot- http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=TkHDfSH8
00:56 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iq9E61 )
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03:32 BingoBoingo https://veuwer.com/i/2xu8.jpg
03:32 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KvoeZz )
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04:01 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214533 <<< he befouls the name jonathan katz of dr katz fame too!
04:01 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 00:41:56; mircea_popescu: i see " The project, titled, “The Science and Applications of Crypto-Currency,” will feature David Van Horn, Jonathan Katz, Michael Hicks as Co-PD(s)/co-PI(s)."
04:05 BingoBoingo Intersectional https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/351283
04:05 assbot Checking your bits ... ( http://bit.ly/1KuVQth )
04:18 scoopbot_revived Pete's mega-recommended reading list http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/28/petes-mega-recommended-reading-list/
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04:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53500 @ 0.00053837 = 28.8028 BTC [-]
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05:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42750 @ 0.00054202 = 23.1714 BTC [+]
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05:47 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214671 < haha im sorry, since when is a mobile phone nothing but a toy?
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05:47 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 03:06:30; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1214249 << astonishing hipster idiocy. just like, e.g., 'hemingwriter'. ('let's make laptop shaped like typewriter! that'll bring western civilization back!') idiot cargocultists. 'let's omit all, even the few useful features like 'who called' from cell phone! that'll bring the 1950s and american industry back!'
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06:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5132 @ 0.00054717 = 2.8081 BTC [+] {2}
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06:32 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214582 << because all the Sarah Jessica Parkers/randi zuckerbergs/ Kristen Wiigs are SO VERY IMPORTANT and valuable and productive and did i say smart and intellectual ??? that people canb't help but pay them.
06:32 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 02:21:19; decimation: why else would you buy a newspaper?
06:33 mircea_popescu that last one is especially indicative, she's made a career such as it is out of depicting herselv, which is to say, aging stupid woman with delusions of "intellectual", a sort of julia a moore of the current generation. except that in 1930 the opriginal was a laughingstock, and today every other female is basically wiig in a slightly varied color scheme.
06:35 mircea_popescu in any case, that's denton's unforgivable crime : that he pointed out to the anal children that their self-delusions are not only impossible, and not only ridiculous. they're actually NOT FOOLING ANYONE. such an ego wound is intolerable, and you can fully expect "the entire blabla" to walk out in a fury. because they were only "working" for gawker to protect this particular egotastic trip, nothing ewlse. which is why t
06:35 mircea_popescu hey can go on pretending like they're making a salary when they're not actually being paid.
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06:36 mircea_popescu ego trips being of course an economic surplus phenomenon, and the us being pretty much wrung out of any sort of surplus whatsoever, expect a lot of such arguments to come.
06:36 mircea_popescu (ps - it's not incidental all the examples are women. this is very strictly a female mental issue)
06:40 mircea_popescu (ps2, see bridesmaids, it's 10k words).
06:42 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214588 << he has a point, all attempts to heat water sooner or later reduce to a half assed, poorly specified, wasteful and buggy reimplementation of a samovar.
06:42 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 02:30:46; phf: ibrik still requires a source of heat, and next thing you know you're trying to buy a hovoli machine from turkey
06:45 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214595 << a) that's a horrid illustration to use right aftetr the "civilised gathering" ; b) electric ones are a joke anyway - you use smokleess charcoal/embers from your fireplace to heat it ; c) of course it can make coffee.
06:45 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 02:34:59; phf: of course you can't cook coffee with a samovar, nor make tea with ibrik, so it's apples and oranges anyway
06:48 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214608 << i know. it is getting broken, this. also deliberately, only by a much greater force than anything "the western world" could ever muster.
06:48 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 02:40:53; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214541 << folks who actually do work are not ever, as a matter of deliberate policy, let anywhere near a mainstream microphone
06:48 mircea_popescu ie, us.
06:49 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214613 << hopefulyl not for very long.
06:49 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 02:41:28; trinque: lost on most is the value of being yelled at by a learned person.
06:50 mircea_popescu chiefly through reintroducing the "died a horrible painful death through not having had the golden blessed opportunity of there being any learned persons able or willing to scream at him"
06:51 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214620 << myeah. hence teh word. quite apt.
06:51 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 02:44:55; asciilifeform: they are quite like ordinary barnacles, the kind found on ships
06:53 mircea_popescu anyway, it's easy to overlook just how almighty powerful the wot system and the signature chain is in dealing with these schmucks. once my "you don't exist" approach as deployed on that tim schmuckley fellow is realised, that's the end of barnacling.
06:54 mircea_popescu which explains both why they writhe and wiggle so when the salt is applied, - oh they don't "need" the wot dontcha know, because "they have irl friends!!1" and other bs defenses of the specific sort of retard. what, like i'm 16 and covered in pimples and i'm going to care some derp from the enemy camp doesn't think so much of my social proof ? herp.
06:54 mircea_popescu and it also explains the various hangers ons stuffing the channel here, got their sig registered and trying to scrape as much support and connectivity without doing any sort of actual work.
06:55 mircea_popescu which sure, seems to work to some degree. obviously this is ONLY the case because we don't actually care yet, and will go away once the other valve is closed. but hey, they don't have to KNOW THIS. let 'em hope.
06:57 shinohai Nothing good is accomplished without hard work. :/
06:57 mircea_popescu btw shinohai : you can probably easiest enumerate trilema by going to trilema.com/2014/01 etc. 12 months each year.
06:58 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214631 << yeah.
06:58 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 02:54:13; asciilifeform: conceivably the three deps ought to be a package each
06:58 mircea_popescu !rated asciilifeform
06:58 assbot You rated user asciilifeform on 30-Nov-2013, with a rating of 5, and supplied these additional notes: 4 First man to factor a 4096 RSA key in the history of computing..
06:59 shinohai will do mircea_popescu. It appears your weekend warriors bought the extended package, however.
06:59 mircea_popescu !rate asciilifeform 5 Instrumental in implementing the new computing paradigm.
06:59 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8176294277335aa7
06:59 kakobrekla ;;isup trilema.com
06:59 gribble trilema.com is down
06:59 mircea_popescu ah ? was up an hour ago or w/e last i looked.
06:59 mircea_popescu !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.asciilifeform.5:a22764b43e49e3ced01c6e1e606244e25c4ea7fe34d5f40fda3447a6b6b20a7d
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06:59 assbot Successfully updated the rating for asciilifeform from 5 to 5 with note: Instrumental in implementing the new computing paradigm.
07:01 mircea_popescu http://postimg.org/image/nbgqfdbht/ fwiw.
07:01 assbot View image: bw trilema today ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKQ2iN )
07:02 shinohai Looks like it was up minutes before I started making cofee, fml
07:03 shinohai Not like if I archived trilema, they eventually wouldn't attack that too .... but such is life.
07:04 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214653 << because not old enough to know, in principle, that milk comes from cow not supermarket. so his recipe is "go to supermarket acquire square whiote box" not "acquire milk"
07:04 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 03:00:35; asciilifeform: why did he not say 'buy modem'
07:06 mircea_popescu shinohai mebbe you misunderstand something here, but how exactly would "they" attack your own, private copy of trilema ?
07:07 mircea_popescu or was your idea of "a copy for personal use" somehow morphed into "i'm just going to steal this dude's site and put it online" ?
07:07 mircea_popescu fair use is an actual term of art.
07:07 shinohai No, not "steal" trilema. Not at all.
07:08 shinohai I meant if anyone found out where I hosted it at.
07:08 mircea_popescu ...
07:08 mircea_popescu what do you mean hosted ?
07:09 shinohai I have webspace that isn't being used at all, other than my contact info page.
07:09 mircea_popescu but you don't have a license to republish trilema.
07:09 mircea_popescu you have a license to save the pages on your own hard drive, not to publish them on your own web server.
07:10 shinohai I wanted to talk to you about that actually, thought I mentioned it previously.
07:10 shinohai Same way I know I can't just curl The New York Times and serve it up on my page.
07:11 mircea_popescu aha
07:12 mircea_popescu but that aside, set your curl or w/e to pull pages an' save them, that way you can always read 'em
07:12 mircea_popescu making derpy ddos like this really meaningless.
07:12 shinohai Indeed.
07:13 mircea_popescu (sane browsers would do this automatically anyway. lynx does, for instance, which is perhaps why sane people, ie most trilema readership, don't care so much)
07:13 shinohai If there was a print version of trilema and qntra, I'd swear I'd subscribe.
07:13 mircea_popescu why waste the paper tho ?
07:13 shinohai Hmmm I need to give lynx another look.
07:13 mircea_popescu i'd rather have the trees.
07:14 shinohai Me too, so I do advocate recycling newsprint.
07:14 mircea_popescu you can just subscribe to trilema as-is.
07:15 mircea_popescu i dunno about subscription model for qntra, and prolly too soon anyway.
07:15 shinohai I emailed you about subscription a few weeks back. I determined my browser is just an asshole
07:16 mircea_popescu oh you were never getting emails or something ?
07:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27084 @ 0.00053652 = 14.5311 BTC [-] {2}
07:17 shinohai Yes, never got the purchase credits email.
07:18 shinohai I got your personal email that you sent, but you said you had a bug to fix on trilema iirc
07:18 mircea_popescu !s from:mircea shinohai
07:18 assbot 39 results for 'from:mircea shinohai' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Amircea+shinohai
07:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52616 @ 0.00053517 = 28.1585 BTC [-]
07:18 mircea_popescu nuts.
07:19 mircea_popescu well, someone somewhere must be shredding your emails en route.
07:19 shinohai T_T
07:21 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214690 << yes it's basically an artefact of parallel construction. has absolutely nothing to do with reality, just a legal fiction.
07:21 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 03:12:30; asciilifeform: my current understanding is that 'imsi catcher' is an artifact specifically of the bureaucratic side of usg. intercept at the tower, where the bits hit a land line, is trivial and no one has to leave his chair - but the paperwork is annoying. hence squaddie and 'catcher'
07:21 mircea_popescu much like obama.
07:23 shinohai Well the Boy Scouts of America has lifted the ban on gay leaders, so maybe Obama has career options after his term.
07:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00054588 = 4.5308 BTC [+]
07:27 shinohai !s Dmail
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07:33 BingoBoingo <shinohai> Hmmm I need to give lynx another look. << Lately I've been liking w3m
07:34 shinohai I like w3m a lot
07:34 mircea_popescu pretty sure w3m also saves your pages if you tell it to.
07:34 shinohai A lot of features I need to get up to speed on but it's nice.
07:39 BingoBoingo w3m is also a nice web browser for shoving into other places like emacs
07:49 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214852 << well they've meanwhile started stealing people's shit. so they'd just take the van.
07:49 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 03:52:09; phf: there was a guy at DC network security meetups who broadcasted fm anarchist radio from his van. he'd park it in random downtown locations, etc. i believe he's been picked up and fined more then once. that was 2003 or so, probably can't get away with something like this now.
07:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47850 @ 0.00054655 = 26.1524 BTC [+] {2}
07:51 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214859 << reason being "can't be arsed". generally this sort of thing is kept as a reserve measure. just like i go "unless you straighten up missy there's that inch thick stick over there by the wall", putin goes "if you block rt i'ma drop pirate radios all over the us"
07:51 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 03:53:39; asciilifeform: no reason why 'pirate radio' can't be matchbox-sized, solar-powered, and dropped from quadcopter in 100 places within an hour.
07:51 mircea_popescu very few all-out wars happen in nature. watch the nature channel for the lowdown of this, ever wondered "so why doesn't this dumb buck just gore the other one ???"
07:53 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214884 << this fails to make any sense. how's "freedom of thought" morphed into "Freedom to broadcast" ? thoughts are silent. blessfully.
07:53 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 04:00:01; coderwill: it's amazing how private companies have effectively firewalled freedom of thought/speech through broadcast frequencies
07:54 mircea_popescu nor is there, nor was there ever, nor will there exist for as long as fucking life on earth a "right to speak". freedom to speak, yes, but this is very fucking different.
07:54 mircea_popescu the controlling issue being, that no one may ~prevent~ you from speaking, provided a silence for your speech was made by the people. but there god damned shan't nor should be a mechanism to MAKE that silence so you may speak.
07:55 mircea_popescu chiefly because fuck you.
07:57 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214889 << all.
07:57 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 04:00:32; phf: the question at the end of the day is, what to transmit. pirate in question had a pretty fixed, pkd-ish narrative. how many people would tune in and go "huh, that's so fucking cool, a crazy anarchis broadcast." just to tune out few minutes later
07:57 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214890 << i'd like to hear you justify your crazy notion that monopoly somehow takes justification.
07:57 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 04:00:50; decimation: when was the last time you heard someone advocate the local tv station justify their monopoly on the supposedly public spectrum?
07:58 mircea_popescu a monopoly is a monopoly. it is not better somehow magically for "being justified". it takes no justification whatever past the very simple test of its existence.
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08:20 jurov if you don't limit yourself to the one most overcrowded frequency band, then there are plenty of options
08:22 jurov there's a nutjob apocalyptic-prepper shortwave station, with 5-euro receivers widely available they seem to get some audience
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08:35 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214919 << the erect penis is the only thign in short supply. everyone wants it, men and women alike. for this particular schmuck, the irresistible deal is that he gets to act as if he has oine, and he doesn't even need to have it!
08:35 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 04:08:48; asciilifeform: pay serious coin, as if for whores, but no sex
08:35 mircea_popescu which is why iut's worth more than the simple 20 dollar half and half
08:35 mircea_popescu exactly the case of that schmuck who wanted random ho to NOT BE SEEN with the black dudes she fucks.
08:36 mircea_popescu the fact that he couldn't get it up aptly reflected in the fact that nobody ended up with a mouthfull of ballsac for derping about how "he's racist" etc.
08:37 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214929 << most people never will have, nor should ever have, that much dispoisable income, ever.
08:37 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 04:12:17; coderwill: why, in the lottery of life is one born to be able to spend $241K at a club, and another, by solely being born in a different lat/long only perhaps earning $241 after working for 6-9 months
08:37 mircea_popescu so this problem should be fixed at the top, and coincidentally it's getting so fixed.
08:38 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214935 << mno. actually... because YOU COULDN'T (drink em). same penis argument as above.
08:38 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 04:16:21; phf: a bottle of stoly will cost you $200 just to get a table, and then $500 for dom perignon and things like that. 2007 or so it was chick to order top shelf, open them, and then not drink them, i.e. have a bunch of bottles barely touched, just because you could
08:39 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214940 << but this is why he was funny : a fool representative of the current generation. if he were dressed in the fool of the 1700s we'd think he's pagliacci and mistake it all for high culture.
08:39 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 04:18:59; asciilifeform: we all laughed at rpietilla, but his antics were based on what actual $maxintillionaries do.
08:50 mircea_popescu "Mister buff deserves no mercy. As you torture this guy remind yourself constantly that your woman would like to fuck him! Beat his pretty ass bro!"
08:50 mircea_popescu lol lafond has soem issues.
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09:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.000549 = 22.3992 BTC [+]
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10:14 decimation re: monopoly < note that in this case 'monopoly' means 'the crown will send its agents against you if you use my frequency'
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10:14 decimation and jurov is right, there are plenty of fairly successful shortwave pirates, apparently because nobody gives a fuck
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11:41 mats http://europe.newsweek.com/pentagon-plans-more-support-ukraine-buffer-zone-mooted-330874
11:41 assbot Pentagon Plans More Support for Ukraine as Buffer Zone Mooted ... ( http://bit.ly/1OMY1Hw )
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11:59 jurov ;;ticker
11:59 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 295.52, Best ask: 296.15, Bid-ask spread: 0.63000, Last trade: 295.52, 24 hour volume: 26563.57329353, 24 hour low: 288.53, 24 hour high: 298.93, 24 hour vwap: None
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12:18 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
12:18 ascii_field https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=122438.msg11970644#msg11970644 << l0ltr0n1c
12:18 assbot [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet ... ( http://bit.ly/1fDURJW )
12:24 ascii_field http://dpaste.com/16FR22R.txt << l00k ma, no glibc
12:25 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1fDVXp1 )
12:25 ascii_field the binary is a full MB smaller than glibc stator, too
12:25 ascii_field (surprised no one noticed last night)
12:27 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214992 << for some, toy, for others - yoke
12:27 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 09:47:42; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214671 < haha im sorry, since when is a mobile phone nothing but a toy?
12:28 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214999 << what do these folks eat? sunlight ?
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12:28 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 10:35:43; mircea_popescu: hey can go on pretending like they're making a salary when they're not actually being paid.
12:29 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215031 << l0l!
12:29 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 10:59:43; mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.asciilifeform.5:a22764b43e49e3ced01c6e1e606244e25c4ea7fe34d5f40fda3447a6b6b20a7d
12:29 ascii_field (did anybody actually get 'rotor' running, or mircea_popescu et al are only clapping in anticipation ?)
12:30 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215105 << one can get something other than a small bottle of water for 5 eur ?
12:30 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 12:22:21; jurov: there's a nutjob apocalyptic-prepper shortwave station, with 5-euro receivers widely available they seem to get some audience
12:31 shinohai I haven't yet ascii_field, I am still doing the required reading. ( musl doesn't work for me)
12:31 ascii_field shinohai: os/arch ?
12:31 ascii_field and what means 'doesn't work'
12:31 shinohai OS Debian 8. Built a binary just fine but it doesn't run. :/
12:32 ascii_field what does it do instead ?
12:32 shinohai lemme find error log.
12:32 jurov ascii_field: what do you mean? i'm having full meal with soda for 5e
12:32 ascii_field with soda & shortwave radio ?
12:33 shinohai http://paste.debian.net/286989/
12:33 assbot debian Pastezone ... ( http://bit.ly/1fDXHP8 )
12:33 jurov ?
12:33 ascii_field shinohai: see step 17
12:33 ascii_field in instructions
12:33 ascii_field then come back and say
12:35 shinohai Starts then crashes, lemme restart real quick.
12:36 jurov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4VM6kCh9AA ascii_field this one
12:36 assbot Tesco World Radio. RAD-108 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1fDYi3g )
12:37 ascii_field jurov: notbad
12:39 shinohai Ok ascii_field that works fine, thx. Next step for me is to attempt an arm build.
12:39 ascii_field shinohai: very easy
12:39 shinohai Easy for the expert to say xD
12:39 ascii_field shinohai: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html << use as basic guide
12:39 assbot [BTC-dev] Presenting... Build your own Pogotron. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLJdca )
12:40 shinohai This I am supposed to do on the pogo itself?
12:41 ascii_field nono
12:41 ascii_field don't bother ever trying to build anything ~on~ pogo
12:41 shinohai I found out that building on the pogo i an exercise in futility.
12:41 shinohai *is
12:42 ascii_field so shinohai is a winner! first fella to repeat 'rotor' ?
12:42 shinohai yay!
12:42 * ascii_field takes off hat
12:43 shinohai If you leave enough monkeys in a room full of typewriters, they shall reproduce the works of Shakespeare
12:44 shinohai I'm not sure if mod6 finished his last night or not. I quit about 11 p.m. because I was pretty buzzed.
12:44 jurov only if you allow both the monkeys and the typewriters to procreate
12:45 mod6 <+shinohai> I'm not sure if mod6 finished his last night or not. I quit about 11 p.m. because I was pretty buzzed. << i hit the same problem as trinque
12:45 shinohai What issue did trinque have?
12:53 shinohai !up ascii_field
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13:09 trinque https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2015/07/28/tech-nsa-to-purge-phone-records-cache-planned-parenthood-site-under-attack/ << utter. bullshit.
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13:09 assbot Tech: NSA to purge phone records cache; Planned Parenthood site under attack - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1ON1xSd )
13:09 trinque the first; I don't give a shit about the second.
13:12 ascii_field https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/act-four/wp/2015/05/29/the-uber-ization-of-porn << i distinctly remember seeing that photo before - in a mircea_popescu link ??
13:12 assbot The Uber-ization of porn - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1ON1HJi )
13:20 shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215180 <<< But they PINKY SWEAR!
13:20 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 17:09:19; trinque: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2015/07/28/tech-nsa-to-purge-phone-records-cache-planned-parenthood-site-under-attack/ << utter. bullshit.
13:23 trinque just means whatever they're doing now, they've got a bullshit legal argument for why it isn't "bulk"
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13:23 trinque the device diddling is probably comprehensive by now; who needs to collect data at the ISP level?
13:24 trinque or rather, who needs to collect data from anywhere other than the devices around a target
13:24 trinque this is just progress!
13:24 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
13:24 ascii_field trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204226
13:24 assbot Logged on 17-07-2015 04:10:23; asciilifeform: again the 'all keys' thing
13:26 trinque ascii_field: they damned well do have the "keys" to android, iOS, so on
13:26 scoopbot_revived The tragedy of the US legal system isn't that it fails to deter terrorism, but that it actively CREATES terrorism. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/28/the-tragedy-of-the-us-legal-system-isnt-that-it-fails-to-deter-terrorism-but-that-it-actively-creates-terrorism/
13:26 trinque nobody needs to collect data from AT&T
13:26 ascii_field trinque: mass trawling is not only cheaper but less 'glass cannon' than snarfing from individual device
13:27 ascii_field (in the latter, there is always a chance that victim - notices)
13:27 ascii_field ... or even that victim is an annoying bugger who keeps honeypots
13:28 trinque in the case of cell phones my assumption is that they can read memory from the baseband
13:28 trinque what's to detect other than baseband firmware that was already there?
13:29 ascii_field if the point is to switch on the microphone, camera - victim might notice
13:29 ascii_field (if he is in the habit of sniffing packets, or examining the eeprom)
13:30 ascii_field (why the latter? modern 'bugging' is typically of the 'store and forward' school of thought)
13:31 trinque makes sense, intermittent bursts of packets vs a constant stream
13:41 trinque ah fuck, now I remember.
13:41 trinque http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/04/lindsey-graham/lindsey-graham-freedom-act-means-less-privacy-phon/
13:41 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mt5ps7 )
13:42 trinque ascii_field: the phone companies themselves are now the "bulk collectors"
13:42 ascii_field were, always
13:43 trinque yep
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14:16 trinque jurov: I can't change settings on the ml, yet I have cookies enabled
14:16 trinque specifically I'm set not to receive messages. is this because my mail was bouncing before?
14:17 trinque I re-enabled non-tls connections on my own mailserver; pls halp?
14:17 jurov what host do you use? several domains are aliased there, "therealbitcoin.org" whould work
14:19 trinque that's the one I'm on
14:19 trinque redirects to the screen to enter your password when I save settings
14:21 trinque jurov: if it's easier, I just want delivery on, digest off, mime on
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14:39 jurov trinque i tested it, it does set the options but does not do any feedback
14:39 trinque jurov: for you are the newly set options displayed on the next pageload?
14:39 trinque when I reload the page, still says disabled
14:40 * trinque tries firefox
14:40 jurov when i submit it shows back the log in page
14:40 jurov after relogin it shows changed options
14:41 trinque yeah, mine aren't changing
14:41 trinque in either firefox or chrome
14:44 ben_vulpes http://25iq.com/2015/07/25/a-dozen-things-ive-learned-from-paul-tudor-jones-about-investing-and-trading/ << we haven't done much investment philosophy since tat and the samovar readings...
14:44 assbot A Dozen Things I’ve Learned from Paul Tudor Jones About Investing and Trading | 25iq ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mwrgjy )
14:45 ben_vulpes in particular, "“[I’m looking for] 5:1 (risk /reward). Five to one means I’m risking one dollar to make five. What five to one does is allow you to have a hit ratio of 20%. I can actually be a complete imbecile. I can be wrong 80% of the time, and I’m still not going to lose.”"
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14:48 ben_vulpes ;;later tell pete_dushenski dat perel
14:48 gribble The operation succeeded.
14:49 jurov trinque try waiting 10 minutes and login again to see the options. according to http headers, the options page gets cached, gotta fix it :(
14:49 trinque ah ok
14:51 trinque jurov: "Note: your list delivery is currently disabled; it was disabled due to excessive bounces. The last bounce was received on 30-Jun-2015."
14:51 trinque perhaps an admin must re-enable?
14:51 shinohai I hate cross compilation.
14:52 trinque buildroot woes?
14:54 trinque jurov: according to quick googling, an admin will have to remove me from a blocklist in the "membership management" page
14:54 trinque sorry, my fault.
14:54 shinohai Yes. I have followed those instructions from the ml and still have no idea what I'm doing. I'm shoving this to the back burner.
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14:54 shinohai Back to Gentoo.
14:54 trinque crossdev on gentoo is pretty sweet.
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14:55 shinohai I was trying to do a stator pogo build on Debian.
14:55 trinque I see the wisdom of buildroot though, really limits the number of variables
14:56 shinohai I'm sure it is a good thing for someone with far more experience with this sort of thing than I. :/
15:02 trinque imagine your luck, bumping into another world of things to learn.
15:02 trinque ben_vulpes: your method of writing bash such that it can be sourced for functions is top notch.
15:03 trinque aka, yoink.
15:03 ben_vulpes 'tis the only way to work with this pile of crud.
15:04 ben_vulpes i've no patience for commenting out chunks of build scripts to determine why for example boost has failed to compile
15:04 ben_vulpes what i am going to do is type `compile_boost' at the cli, and it is going to behave the way i want it to.
15:04 ben_vulpes how stan goes mad for the lispm and then refuses to treat the shell as a repl boggles my mind.
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15:05 punkman http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2015/07/stop_pushing_th.html
15:05 assbot Stop pushing the web forward - QuirksBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1MwrXcG )
15:07 trinque ben_vulpes: nick at am was the bash wizard, impressed upon me the power of the pipe
15:08 ben_vulpes pipe did no wrong
15:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33600 @ 0.00053525 = 17.9844 BTC [-]
15:09 shinohai well trinque I love a challenge, sometimes a step back and moar research is required for me though.
15:09 trinque certainly
15:10 jurov trinque you're set now to receive email
15:10 trinque jurov: thank you sir
15:10 jurov and configuration is now set to no-cache too
15:11 jurov my aws setup was so far most ddos resistant.. but it's pita to set up
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15:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25253 @ 0.00053517 = 13.5146 BTC [-]
15:43 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
15:44 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215252 << stator and rotor are kludges until the buildroot packages (as alluded to last night) are done.
15:44 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 19:04:57; ben_vulpes: how stan goes mad for the lispm and then refuses to treat the shell as a repl boggles my mind.
15:45 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215242 << thing is, as i currently understand, buildroot is the ~only~ way to build musl bitcoin
15:45 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 18:54:53; trinque: crossdev on gentoo is pretty sweet.
15:45 ascii_field can't use glibc toolchain to build binaries with musl
15:46 ascii_field so far we've been trying to weasel out of maintaining a whole #b-a linux distro, but i'm not certain that it is avoidable.
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15:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57300 @ 0.00053517 = 30.6652 BTC [-]
16:02 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes right ! perel's probably the most interesting author i've come across this year.
16:03 pete_dushenski she might also be the only chick on my 'mega-recommended book list'
16:04 * pete_dushenski checks list
16:05 pete_dushenski will durant's wife, ariel, is also on the list. so i guess esther isn't alone after all.
16:05 pete_dushenski so much for that theory
16:16 mats http://berlin.ccc.de/~tobias/31c3-ss7-locate-track-manipulate.pdf << on 'SS7', used by telecoms netops for unauthenticated comms
16:16 ben_vulpes ascii_field: what's the difference between musl and glibc?
16:17 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
16:17 ascii_field ben_vulpes: http://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html
16:17 assbot Comparison of C/POSIX standard library implementations for Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMQi5O )
16:17 ascii_field ben_vulpes: but, more pertinently - less shitgnomery
16:17 ascii_field !s drepper
16:17 assbot 17 results for 'drepper' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=drepper
16:17 ascii_field ^ his absence - is enough for me
16:18 mats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeCkO0fWWqc << related to 'SS7'
16:18 assbot Karsten Nohl: Mobile self-defense [31c3] (SnoopSnitch) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMQvG8 )
16:21 pete_dushenski http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25251782/cardinals-add-jen-welter-to-coaching-staff-first-female-coach-in-nfl << can't say i saw this coming.
16:21 assbot Cardinals add likely first-ever female coach to a NFL team's staff - CBSSports.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMQTV7 )
16:21 pete_dushenski ^for BingoBoingo and other sportistes
16:23 pete_dushenski i guess if there's going to be a female coach in any pro sport, it'll be the one with the most coaches per team.
16:23 pete_dushenski much harder to crack the seal in hockey or basketball
16:23 pete_dushenski mebbe baseball wouldn't be so bad.
16:24 * pete_dushenski mulls over a boobies in baseball bitbet prop.
16:24 jurov https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3ep2pl/gold_bugs_the_original_buttcoiners/cthk335 heh buttcoiners love buttgold
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16:24 assbot rini17 comments on Gold bugs: The original buttcoiners ... ( http://bit.ly/1JsZiDx )
16:26 pete_dushenski "Yer face divorced buttgold long ago." << i loled
16:26 shinohai https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1136964.msg11989271#msg11989271
16:26 assbot I think I was robbed for 48 bitcoin! Blockchain log HACKED? ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMRWV4 )
16:27 mats searching logs is a pain in the ass nao
16:30 trinque shinohai: beautiful how bitcoin forces hard definitions, such as for "own" and "understand"
16:30 trinque guy thinks he understands bitcoin because he can use the UI of a qt program
16:31 trinque gets his hand blown off, maybe, or at least has the fear put in him.
16:31 shinohai Some ppl should not be allowed to use BTC
16:31 trinque well, he'll learn on his own
16:31 pete_dushenski https://twitter.com/Amazing_Maps/status/625755498583838720/photo/1 << i told you guys borders were a flexible notion. see ? even the googs agreeth.
16:31 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
16:31 shinohai I haven't used QT in like 2 years
16:31 * ascii_field isn't sure he ever saw the gui client up close & alive
16:32 shinohai I'd rather learn how thins actually work instead of getting bloated versions with useless "features"
16:32 shinohai *things
16:33 ascii_field anyway, notice that his reaction was ~NOT~ to visit therealbitcoin.org & get the real client.
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16:35 ben_vulpes how would he know we exist?
16:35 ascii_field how did we learn that he exists
16:39 shinohai Educating oneself on how change addresses work couldnta hurt.
16:40 pete_dushenski https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1134322.0 << for log readers into physical crypto coins, i (still!) have a few lealana silver ltc pieces for sale. i'm accepting offers. dun be shy.
16:40 assbot [WTS] FUNDED Batch 1 (2013) Lealana Silver Litecoins ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMTNZQ )
16:40 shinohai O.o pete_dushenski You sell physical coins?
16:41 pete_dushenski only these.
16:41 pete_dushenski i'm no nubbins`
16:42 ascii_field l0l, spiffy paperweight
16:42 ascii_field why part with it ?
16:42 shinohai I love silver, dunno why. I bought some stuff from bigtimespaghetti on there.
16:42 ascii_field (inquiring minds want to know: is there a physical 'dogecoin' ? and, importantly, is it made from pressed dogue shit?!)
16:43 pete_dushenski ascii_field these coins are likely worth more to someone else than it is to me.
16:43 pete_dushenski physical dogecoin is printed on a piece of cut-out cardboard from an empty cereal box
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16:44 pete_dushenski shinohai wadja buy ?
16:45 jurov pressing coins is high tech. they just leave chunks dry
16:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.000549 = 20.862 BTC [+]
16:47 shinohai @ pete_dushenski Bought some goxxed coins and a couple of Unobtanium bars
16:47 shinohai Even tho I despise altcoins now.
16:48 shinohai !up ascii_field
16:49 pete_dushenski goxxed coins ? weren't those just paper promises sold by bagholders to suckers during gox's meltdown ?
16:49 shinohai xD
16:49 shinohai http://anarcoins.com I think was his site. Been over a year ago.
16:50 shinohai https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Goxxed1.jpg
16:50 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt1MBF )
16:52 pete_dushenski lol fucken eh does fat bastard ever look like he has down syndrome
16:53 pete_dushenski that's some deep art right there.
16:53 shinohai If nothing else, it is like all my USG silver. I can melt it into skulls one day.
16:54 pete_dushenski ha !
16:55 pete_dushenski i dub thee shinohai : 'the torturing pragmatist'
16:56 shinohai hue
16:57 shinohai One day maybe I'll commission a #b-a silver bitcoin.
16:57 pete_dushenski and with that, i'm off again. toodaloo !
16:58 shinohai We can put mircea_popescu's head on it
17:10 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215121 < all monopoly must be defended all the way, which means all the way to physical violence.
17:10 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 14:14:25; decimation: re: monopoly < note that in this case 'monopoly' means 'the crown will send its agents against you if you use my frequency'
17:10 ascii_field mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000135.html << neato
17:10 assbot [BTC-dev] v0.5.4-TEST1 Pre-patched Test Bundle : Testers Needed! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt3hQe )
17:11 mircea_popescu for which reason there exists an effectual challenge to monopoly, such as "organised resistance" via "sindicalism".
17:11 mircea_popescu prooving to the monopolist he's nopt ready or not able to shoot as many as it takes === defeating the monopoly.
17:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24638 @ 0.00054708 = 13.479 BTC [-]
17:14 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215136 << you're the one not fucking them, explain to the public why not. sure as hell they'd "coachsurf" in your livingroom as well as any other as well as any other cockroach, if you allowed it, so why aren;t you ?
17:14 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 16:28:23; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214999 << what do these folks eat? sunlight ?
17:14 mircea_popescu because sunlight eaters make for "poor company", is it ? so then.
17:14 ascii_field wai wut
17:14 * ascii_field must be thick; confused
17:15 ascii_field mircea_popescu: when tuned (vs sparkgap!) radio first appeared, the extension of traditional land rules to the spectrum seemed like a logical thing. because 'trespassers' in radio were loud and stationary, and easily detected. but this does not have to be so!
17:16 mircea_popescu aha. so ?
17:16 ascii_field with sdr, law could be just as effective against 'radio pirate' as it is against rats and mice.
17:17 mircea_popescu Finally, my question: All of my transactions into the Trezor showed up as confirmed as soon as they got confirmed, however the send transaction (through Coinbase at our donation web sites) took hours to show up as confirmed in the myTrezor wallet even though it had many, many confirmation on blockchain.info
17:17 mircea_popescu It did not cause any issues, I was just wondering if anyone else has seen this weird delay.
17:17 mircea_popescu BTW: Homeland Security was storing all the seized Bitcoins on a Trezor that they either purchased or seized from someone else!
17:17 mircea_popescu herp. lol.
17:17 mircea_popescu ascii_field iirc there is a deisgn for the practical use of this, awaiting its completers on trilema. so what of it ?
17:17 ascii_field aha the parasite relay
17:17 ascii_field just pointing out the connection to the 'radio monopoly' thread linked earlier.
17:17 mircea_popescu yes. the one thing distributed barely detectable weak emitters is actually used for.
17:17 ascii_field specifically,
17:17 ascii_field noting that spectrum is not actually same as land.
17:18 mircea_popescu ah, i thought you were saying you're confused somethiong
17:18 mircea_popescu yes, spectrum is same as land.
17:18 ascii_field confused re: the sunlight folks
17:18 ascii_field unrelated.
17:18 mircea_popescu !up ascii_field
17:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43814 @ 0.00054708 = 23.9698 BTC [-]
17:21 ascii_field re: spectrum, it can be made to resemble land less and less (what is the land-trespass equivalent of spread-spectrum transmission ?)
17:22 mircea_popescu dude every wp link seems dumber than the previous. can't discern if it's because i'm getting smarter or they're "hiring" worse and worse congenital retards, but anyway. ima stop clicking
17:23 mircea_popescu ascii_field women can be made to resemble women less and less and less, doesn't mean sarah silverman is now some sort of "transcendent post-gender bla bla" categorically different thing.
17:24 ascii_field point was, 'property right' is only as interesting as the ability to enforce it
17:24 mircea_popescu for sure.
17:25 ascii_field (otherwise we have disney pulling own cock)
17:25 mircea_popescu if you recal my out of hand rejection of property as an analytical tool in a previous discussion about what htings ARE, you won't be surprised it applies here.
17:25 mircea_popescu propety is a convention not a quality.
17:25 ascii_field aha
17:25 ascii_field !s what colour are your bits
17:25 assbot 2 results for 'what colour are your bits' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=what+colour+are+your+bits
17:25 mircea_popescu (for ref, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-07-2015#1209754 )
17:25 assbot Logged on 22-07-2015 15:32:26; mircea_popescu: a commodity is a commodity. why's property enter into this ?
17:29 mircea_popescu in other lulz, http://www.dailystormer.com/sick-jew-sarah-silverman-hosts-night-of-a-thousand-vaginas-to-fund-abortion
17:29 assbot Sick Jew Sarah Silverman Hosts ‘Night of a Thousand Vaginas!’ To Fund Abortion | Daily Stormer ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt4QOc )
17:30 mircea_popescu i had nfi idea bad postcards from the 1920s "deeply offend jews". how did they make it through the early 1900s if this is the case is anyone's guess.
17:30 trinque "A chaste, responsible White mother with her children. Scenes like this deeply offend the Jews???"
17:30 trinque bahahaha
17:31 mircea_popescu o wait - they didn't! clearly. which is why holocaust was a lie tututuuu!
17:31 mircea_popescu makesensenow.lol
17:32 trinque that sick jew is way hotter than these porcelain doll women
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17:33 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215187 << aham.
17:33 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 17:23:05; trinque: just means whatever they're doing now, they've got a bullshit legal argument for why it isn't "bulk"
17:33 mircea_popescu trinque she'd be ok, except she has this by now very pointedly obvious sex fright issue which kind-of ruins her entire shtick by enveloping it in a very strong stale loser odor.
17:34 mircea_popescu but hey, maybe she runs into princess donna one day, does one of those public humiliation things and comes to humanity.
17:35 trinque yeah, her comedy isn't great; says "vagina" and tries to play cute
17:35 mircea_popescu it's cute the first 300 times. after which it starts to occur that "why am i hanging in a room where a 40 yo woman that STILL has dumb virgin perisexual issues derps on ?"
17:39 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215229 << this is about at the level of "i am looking for a HB8.5 for my wife."
17:39 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 18:45:34; ben_vulpes: in particular, "“[I’m looking for] 5:1 (risk /reward). Five to one means I’m risking one dollar to make five. What five to one does is allow you to have a hit ratio of 20%. I can actually be a complete imbecile. I can be wrong 80% of the time, and I’m still not going to lose.”"
17:40 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215240 << aaaaaand failure mode.
17:40 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 18:54:32; shinohai: Yes. I have followed those instructions from the ml and still have no idea what I'm doing. I'm shoving this to the back burner.
17:40 mircea_popescu this is quickly becoming the #1 problem for us.
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17:42 shinohai I'm not giving up. Just need a breather then perhaps it will clarify itself for me.
17:42 shinohai My first stator build failed at least 6 times.
17:42 mircea_popescu sure. problem still exists irrespective of how you handle it.
17:43 mircea_popescu "The innovation machine is running at full speed in the wrong direction." << heh. yes, keep copies of your old browsers, for the new ones will be less and less useful.
17:47 mats deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/17AP46M.txt
17:48 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt6lvL )
17:48 deedbot- rejected: 1
17:48 trinque mats: it's probably that character
17:48 mats ¶¶ << ?
17:49 mats fucking unicode...
17:49 trinque I continue to discover new character sets which cause some or another component to barf
17:49 mats deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/011XQCD.txt
17:49 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt6sra )
17:49 deedbot- accepted: 1
17:49 mats deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/011XQCD.txt
17:49 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt6sra )
17:49 deedbot- accepted: 1
17:50 mats oops
17:50 mats deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/30Z50ZG.txt
17:50 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt6vDw )
17:50 deedbot- accepted: 1
17:50 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
17:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00054996 = 3.1073 BTC [+]
17:51 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215410 << >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215271
17:51 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 21:40:30; mircea_popescu: this is quickly becoming the #1 problem for us.
17:51 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 19:46:35; ascii_field: so far we've been trying to weasel out of maintaining a whole #b-a linux distro, but i'm not certain that it is avoidable.
17:51 trinque ah, oop in common lisp just arrived
17:51 trinque yay
17:51 ascii_field keene ?
17:51 trinque yessir
17:52 mats deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/30P294T.txt
17:52 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt6Fut )
17:52 deedbot- rejected: 1
17:52 mats fucking unicode
17:54 mats any guesses on what character its moaning about this time trinque?
17:56 ascii_field trinque et al: http://nosuchlabs.com:8000/keene.djvu
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17:56 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxh8DY )
17:57 trinque mats: there's a "section" sign in the footnotes
17:57 mats deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/343DZ6K.txt
17:57 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxhiLz )
17:57 deedbot- Bad URL or network outage.
17:57 trinque and that one's not signed
17:57 mats deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1SCC0H7.txt
17:57 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxhomj )
17:57 deedbot- accepted: 1
17:57 mats yeah, oops
17:58 trinque I mean, the fucking thing should work on arbitrary bits wrapped in a signature
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17:58 trinque so oops on my part as well
18:04 mats ;;tslb
18:04 gribble Time since last block: 4 minutes and 10 seconds
18:06 mats ;;isup trilema.com
18:06 gribble trilema.com is down
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18:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 3143 @ 0.00111 = 3.4887 BTC
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19:02 davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215457 <<< clearsigned blobs are prolly limited to a subset of ascii amirite
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19:02 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 21:58:15; trinque: I mean, the fucking thing should work on arbitrary bits wrapped in a signature
19:12 mats http://www.wsj.com/articles/nymex-oil-futures-hit-fresh-four-month-low-1438052636
19:12 assbot Brent Falls to Lowest Price Since January - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1eyeWQY )
19:12 BingoBoingo Lol again http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/07/28/1855254/dhi-group-inc-announces-plans-to-sell-slashdot-media
19:13 assbot DHI Group Inc. Announces Plans to Sell Slashdot Media - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1eyf0Qz )
19:15 shinohai nobody wants slashdot lel
19:21 BingoBoingo Seriously
19:22 BingoBoingo Prolly will still sell for more than Digg
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20:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform true enuf.
20:01 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo funny, was just lolled at here.
20:04 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215296 << "reject our assumptions AND YOU REJECT REALITY FOOL!111"
20:04 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 20:24:43; jurov: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3ep2pl/gold_bugs_the_original_buttcoiners/cthk335 heh buttcoiners love buttgold
20:05 mircea_popescu "wow ok. Sounds like nobody thought it would get this big.
20:05 mircea_popescu They need to make the next version use a better database system that is not linearly.
20:05 mircea_popescu Simple fix then to a very big problem."
20:05 mircea_popescu gotta love tardstalk. almost as good as washington post, in that it's not merely written by retards,
20:05 mircea_popescu but by esl retards.
20:06 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215313 << thankfully.
20:06 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 20:33:13; ascii_field: anyway, notice that his reaction was ~NOT~ to visit therealbitcoin.org & get the real client.
20:06 mircea_popescu the "some people should not use" observation is apt.
20:08 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215327 << this reminds me of christina applegate wanting to buy a car, being quoted in "k"s and raiding the cornflakes boxes for them
20:08 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 20:43:47; pete_dushenski: physical dogecoin is printed on a piece of cut-out cardboard from an empty cereal box
20:09 mircea_popescu in other news : http://hardhandsworld.tumblr.com/post/83217145416 bitches be the hardest on bitches.
20:09 assbot Hardhands World of Spanking ... ( http://bit.ly/1gkABxJ )
20:10 shinohai Wonderful, it even has an rss feed.
20:11 nubbins` muscle memory is a weird thing
20:11 nubbins` i coulda SWORN i just typed in my pgp passphrase completely and utterly wrong
20:11 nubbins` fingers mashing everywhere
20:11 nubbins` somehow: 100+ chars, no mistakes
20:12 nubbins` mircea_popescu asciilifeform "physical doge" was totally a thing. iirc copper rounds?
20:12 nubbins` https://shibemint.com/
20:12 assbot Shibe Mint ... ( http://bit.ly/1gkAZfR )
20:13 nubbins` dogecoin belongs in a "classic hype machines of the information age" textbook
20:14 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215464 << 7bit, but not only this, you also get mutilation (escaped dashes)
20:14 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 23:02:11; davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215457 <<< clearsigned blobs are prolly limited to a subset of ascii amirite
20:15 nubbins` for a while i was paid to develop bespoke widgets for "microsoft sharepoint", a CMS/DMS that is the biggest piece of shit you'll never see
20:16 nubbins` no kidding, every now and then some internal piece of code would return an array of strings as a single, very large string, with entries separated by the escape string "#;"
20:17 nubbins` move over CSV, P/SCSV is the new kid in town
20:17 asciilifeform pr0gr355!!111
20:18 nubbins` they also reappropriated all these general words like "Site" and "Web" and gave them specific definitions
20:19 asciilifeform embrace, extend, extinguish (tm) (r) (microshit)
20:19 nubbins` and then literally reversed a bunch of the terms in the next version, so a site was now a web and a web was now a site
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20:19 nubbins` but of course they didn't update the API
20:19 nubbins` so:
20:19 nubbins` Web mySite = new Web(); would create a Site object
20:19 nubbins` Site myWeb = new Site(); would create....
20:19 * nubbins` facepalms thrice, runs out of hands, uses desk
20:20 phf a good common lisp book to have in addition to keene's clos book is AMOP http://www.amazon.com/The-Metaobject-Protocol-Gregor-Kiczales/dp/0262610744
20:20 assbot The Art of the Metaobject Protocol: Gregor Kiczales, Jim des Rivieres, Daniel G. Bobrow: 9780262610742: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1gkBWor )
20:21 nubbins` anyway i gotta fuck off talking about that
20:21 nubbins` having a bad tech day and reminiscing about nightmares past isn't helping
20:22 asciilifeform phf et al: http://nosuchlabs.com:8000/metaobject.djvu
20:22 asciilifeform (to go with http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215446 )
20:22 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 21:56:15; ascii_field: trinque et al: http://nosuchlabs.com:8000/keene.djvu
20:23 asciilifeform nubbins`: actually
20:23 asciilifeform nubbins`: this is probably a good time to mention a historical thesis i've chewed on in my head, on and off, for a decade or so
20:23 phf hehe, maybe you also have PAIP in djvu?
20:23 asciilifeform phf: yes
20:23 asciilifeform phf: gotta dig it out
20:23 asciilifeform nubbins`: the philosophical (if not in any detectable way historical) continuity of microshit and edison's thing
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20:24 asciilifeform specifically, the one thing edison is known with certainty to have invented is inferior-tech-empire-propped-by-pseudoentrepreneurial-fud
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20:24 asciilifeform (and crown thug force, and usg monopoly concessions)
20:25 asciilifeform if you read the primary 'current warz' crap from 1880s-90s, it is hauntingly similar to microshit in 1990s-2000s
20:26 nubbins` smooth talkers win more often than not
20:26 asciilifeform it wasn't just any 'smooth talk'
20:27 asciilifeform it was a very specific thing
20:27 nubbins` i find people don't want X so much as they want the experience of choosing/buying/being sold X
20:27 asciilifeform not how winblowz gets on lusers' desks.
20:28 asciilifeform perhaps in 1980s - yes
20:28 nubbins` nobody wanted windows, they wanted the experience of being dazzled by shiny things
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20:28 nubbins` once the foot's in the door, sure, act changes
20:28 BingoBoingo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2Y0HGnRZNg
20:28 assbot Ashley All Day - Don't Play - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1U54jVV )
20:28 nubbins` nowadays they're riding the wave
20:28 asciilifeform it becomes 'institution'
20:28 asciilifeform and 'how it always was'
20:28 nubbins` and we're all using AC
20:28 nubbins` and windows uh, what is it now? 10?
20:28 * nubbins` can't keep track
20:28 asciilifeform nubbins`: iirc new york city's remaining dc grid was only shut down a year or two ago !
20:29 nubbins` !
20:29 asciilifeform (there were lifts, etc. still on it)
20:29 nubbins` i vaguely recall this
20:29 nubbins` or was it the pneumatic water-based lift thing
20:29 nubbins` memory fails me.
20:29 asciilifeform http://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/the-smarter-grid/san-franciscos-secret-dc-grid << they still have
20:29 assbot San Francisco’s Secret DC Grid - IEEE Spectrum ... ( http://bit.ly/1U54wbF )
20:29 asciilifeform or did in '12
20:31 BingoBoingo ;;later tell shinohai played with Dillo today. Seems to be promising "graphical" www browser
20:31 gribble The operation succeeded.
20:31 asciilifeform http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/14/off-goes-the-power-current-started-by-thomas-edison/?_r=0
20:32 assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1U54PmR )
20:32 nubbins` Bleyle admits that repairs can be pricey, especially hand-rewinding a DC motor, which can run between US $30 000 and $40 000. But he says even a refurbished motor looks cheap compared with the $500 000 cost of replacing the elevator, not to mention the months of involuntary stair climbing during the upgrade.
20:32 nubbins` “Usually people just go for the motor,” says Bleyle.
20:32 nubbins` i like this guy
20:32 nubbins` at some point in my life, i'd like to require the rewinding of a motor
20:32 nubbins` fairly unlikely at this point tho.
20:34 shinohai Looks pretty interesting BingoBoingo, bookmarked.
20:35 asciilifeform at any rate, if you go and read edison's writings, you get a very similar flavour of 'idiot savant / malicious imbecile' as from bill gates
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20:35 BingoBoingo shinohai: Seems to address the much neglected niche of graphical www without any scripting. Apparently default browser on 'raspian'
20:36 asciilifeform ditto steve jobs
20:36 nubbins` jobs is marginally interesting for having fessed up to LSD usage, but as i understand it was generally a piece of shit otherwise
20:37 shinohai I have never owned a RasPI ... I can usually scrounge up a shitty laptop or something and load Debian on it xD
20:37 asciilifeform shinohai: it has the distinction of being the singularly worst-performing and most closed-source-chipsety machine for the money
20:37 nubbins` http://www.gifdome.com/uploads/5/0/4/6/50461919/5885922_orig.gif
20:37 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1gkE4MX )
20:37 asciilifeform (usb and nic share a bus!)
20:38 asciilifeform nubbins`: ?!
20:38 shinohai Heh. I have only "owned" 1 apple product ever, an ipad and that lasted a week before I gave it away in disgust.
20:40 BingoBoingo shinohai: You should really try a B&W Mac
20:40 shinohai Laptop I have now came with Win 8, which I never even booted in to.
20:40 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: other than as word processor, what can you use that thing for ?
20:41 shinohai Playing "Oregon Trail" ?
20:41 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Time travel
20:41 BingoBoingo nostalgia, archaeology
20:41 asciilifeform well yes
20:41 phf ppc macs were nice. i spent years with a handmedown g3 ibook, running linux on it, and i still love that machine, probably for sentimental reasons
20:41 nubbins` heh
20:41 * nubbins` shrugs
20:41 * shinohai may die of dysentery if he gets one.
20:41 nubbins` for a time, i developed "app store" apps as a hobby
20:41 asciilifeform but generally i don't recommend an archaeologist's machine to a civilian
20:42 asciilifeform (unless he fesses up to being archaeologist)
20:42 nubbins` ended up with an iphone, ipad, macbook...
20:42 shinohai I had a musician friend in Berlin that loved Macbooks for music. Specialized use tho.
20:42 nubbins` ipad sorta sucks now because it can't run the latest iOS and essentially zero new apps target the old versions
20:43 nubbins` so it's essentially frozen in time
20:43 nubbins` macbook, still going strong. typing on it now while InDesign pumps out dead tree sheets
20:43 asciilifeform nubbins`: i can even see how this was sorta justified by crapple (has 1 core, no gpu!)
20:43 BingoBoingo <phf> ppc macs were nice. i spent years with a handmedown g3 ibook, running linux on it, and i still love that machine, probably for sentimental reasons << Bought one used with defunct vertical line on screen. Played with then closeted, then recycled. Prolly should have kept it.
20:43 asciilifeform nubbins`: but what was their excuse for freezing support for 2009 macbooks ?!
20:44 asciilifeform the ones sold today are the same fucking x86_64 as the 2007 and on
20:44 asciilifeform so what gives
20:44 shinohai It's like buying a Ferrari with the hood welded shut.
20:44 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> but generally i don't recommend an archaeologist's machine to a civilian << I recommend this one because hypercard. As a dare, for the ones that get it realize not all "advances" are such.
20:45 asciilifeform i like my 'hypercard' on at least 800x600 pixels
20:45 asciilifeform but to each - his own
20:45 nubbins` asciilifeform they froze support for 2009 macbooks?!
20:45 shinohai How is Crapples iWatch thing going does anyone know?
20:45 asciilifeform nubbins`: aha
20:46 asciilifeform nubbins`: they sure did.
20:46 * nubbins` has late-2008, is running second-latest OS
20:46 asciilifeform nubbins`: got an a1237 in the fleet - won't ever upgrade.
20:47 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> i like my 'hypercard' on at least 800x600 pixels << I usually do the presentation with a "clean desk" to heighten to realization that this machine was small enought to allow civilized other work at desk, as happened in age when computer was office accessory.
20:47 phf BingoBoingo: i use that ibook for mac os 9 now, with kaleidoscope, hypercard, mcl (macintosh common lisp). i boot it up from time to time and it feels like the cyberpunk future that never was
20:47 asciilifeform mcl was glorious
20:47 BingoBoingo phf: I still kinda want a G3 or G4 iMac
20:47 asciilifeform obligatory: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568 & http://www.loper-os.org/?p=658
20:47 assbot Loper OS » Why Hypercard Had to Die ... ( http://bit.ly/1U578pU )
20:47 assbot Loper OS » How to Run HyperCard Under Emulation ... ( http://bit.ly/1U575uf )
20:47 asciilifeform damn http://www.loper-os.org/?p=658
20:48 assbot Loper OS » How to Run HyperCard Under Emulation ... ( http://bit.ly/1U575uf )
20:48 asciilifeform ah there.
20:48 asciilifeform ^ for n00bz
20:48 nubbins` ah, a1237 = "air"?
20:48 asciilifeform aha
20:48 nubbins` i thought you couldn't even turn those back on again once they powered down.
20:48 nubbins` single-use, no?
20:48 asciilifeform wat
20:48 nubbins` XD
20:48 asciilifeform perhaps next year's !
20:48 phf i like to show mcl to people who rave to me about some new feature in visual studio
20:48 nubbins` we can only hope!
20:49 nubbins` i had a colleague who used to carry around his macbook air in a manila envelope
20:49 nubbins` like an asshole
20:49 asciilifeform os 9 was the last actual apple os
20:50 nubbins` cocoa API is more nextstep than anything else
20:50 asciilifeform aha
20:51 nubbins` srsly, NSInteger, NSString, etc
20:51 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-12-2014#948999 << see also.
20:51 assbot Logged on 09-12-2014 02:39:31; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as a boy, i often thought that i would grow up, 'have money', and buy an apple computer - at least to try it (the crippled machines at schools, etc. were an interesting diversion, and i imagined that mac is 'rich man's computer' somehow)
20:51 nubbins` in the sense that starbucks is rich man's coffee.
20:52 asciilifeform if you're a kid in calcutta watching a b&w tv, where americans drink it - then yes!
20:52 asciilifeform the secret is, i LIKED MAC OS
20:52 asciilifeform for no good rational reason.
20:53 nubbins` people like starbucks for no good rational reason either
20:53 asciilifeform possibly the fact that it was not made by microshit and did not have the familiar msdos ANYWHERE in it
20:53 nubbins` "it's good" fuck you, no it's not.
20:53 asciilifeform nubbins`: 'starbucks' is in same mental category as microshit, in my mind
20:53 asciilifeform because there are virtually no other coffee shops, as such, where i live
20:53 nubbins` as someone who knows far too much about the science of coffee, starbucks is actual shit
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20:53 asciilifeform it tastes like shit
20:54 asciilifeform because they mandatorily overcook
20:54 nubbins` that's because they roast all their fucking beans too dark.
20:54 nubbins` |0|
20:54 nubbins` starbucks roasts all beans to "second crack", which is the entry point to "dark roasts"
20:54 nubbins` they claim this is so they're not selling you pesky water-containing beans but fully-dried coffee goodness
20:54 * asciilifeform always suspected that 'starbucks' is dominant for reasons which have nothing whatsoever to do with food, or with consumers choosing x over y
20:55 nubbins` but really it's so they can swap out bean X for bean Y in Holiday Blend and nobody notices.
20:55 nubbins` starbucks is dominant because people want the experience of buying coffee more than they want coffee.
20:56 asciilifeform i don't grasp this, and won't, regardless of how well mircea_popescu explains it. why the fuck would anyone want ritual over the real thing ?
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20:56 asciilifeform is it some brain infection ?
20:56 nubbins` why would anyone want the trappings of power instead of the real thing?
20:56 nubbins` why would a rapper buy a ferrari instead of some GICs?
20:56 asciilifeform the only reason i can picture is if they are convinced that the real thing cannot be had
20:57 nubbins` starbucks drinkers do not realize that the real thing exists
20:57 nubbins` they think they're drinking it.
20:57 asciilifeform but that anyone would ~choose~ the fuffle - is beyond my puny brain
20:57 nubbins` ;;google trappings of power site:thelastpsychiatrist.com
20:57 gribble The Last Psychiatrist: Don't Hate Her Because She's Successful: <http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2013/03/dont_hate_her_because_shes_suc.html>; No Self-Respecting Woman Would Go Out Without Make Up: <http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2013/01/no_self-respecting_woman_would.html>; The Last Psychiatrist: Who Bullies The Bullies?: <http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2014/05/cyberbll.html>
20:57 nubbins` ^
20:57 asciilifeform yes, it
20:58 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> is it some brain infection ? << Yes, disease was 1950's USia. The appearance that came from the plenty of being only "civilized" area not torn to shit in the 1940's and agriculture's strain to provide real food. Marketing got really good at pushing "tv dinners"
20:58 nubbins` we were thinking about selling P's house a few months ago. talked to a couple of realtors
20:58 nubbins` first one was very businesslike: what's the house like, how big, how much you wanna sell it for
20:58 nubbins` second one spent a fuckin hour selling us on the experience of selling our house through her
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20:59 nubbins` i'll do x, i'll do y, i won't do z, here's a tote bag
20:59 asciilifeform l0l
20:59 BingoBoingo Several decades of "marketing" and you've got generations starting life with the impression that powdered cheese belongs on noodles
20:59 nubbins` the experience-seller waited until the end of the convo to tell us that she'd be listing the house $30k below market value and if we didn't like that, find someone else
20:59 mats http://www.metacritic.com/tv/halt-and-catch-fire this is p good
20:59 assbot Halt and Catch Fire - Season 1 Reviews - Metacritic ... ( http://bit.ly/1U59162 )
21:00 nubbins` mats i enjoyed it
21:00 nubbins` asciilifeform ^
21:00 nubbins` mats it was a bit light on the actual tech stuff for my liking
21:00 mats my motivation to learn RE has been flagging recently and this is just the ticket
21:00 nubbins` but hey
21:00 asciilifeform mats: if it's no secret, what was your motivation in the first place for it ?
21:01 mats yeah I've heard that, I only just finished the pilot
21:01 nubbins` BingoBoingo: even the impression that powdered cheese belongs is a bad one
21:01 asciilifeform mats: i ask, because i've never (afaik) met anyone who ~decided consciously~ to study it
21:01 mats asciilifeform: access.
21:01 asciilifeform ?
21:02 mats curiosity, access, and power.
21:02 mats hence my narrow focus on exploitation.
21:03 phf starbucks is kind of like mcdonalds, and the same reason microsoft won, guiranteed same mediocre experience, so if you're driving through north carolina and you need your caffeine fix, you don't have to engage any mental faculties, because there be dragons outside your comfort bubble. i've noticed that with a lot of my starbucks loving friends, for them it's kind of like "i know this, this is starbucks"
21:03 asciilifeform mats: i have never personally known anyone who achieved great power or access to astonishing s33kr1tz through re. but i am willing to concede that somewhere, they exist.
21:04 nubbins` phf same thing with Tim Horton's in canada
21:04 nubbins` it's actual swill
21:04 nubbins` people love it
21:04 asciilifeform phf: this described mcd, yes. but starbucks also has a kind of pretentious-twit appeal (or once had)
21:04 nubbins` it's a regular occurrence these past few years for Timmy's drive-thrus to have to be rebuilt to accomodate more traffic
21:04 nubbins` because of drive-thru bozos spilling out of the parking lot and into the road
21:04 asciilifeform but i dare say that at this point, it's a microshit:
21:05 asciilifeform if i feel like coffee, i get to choose between shitbux and the office pot.
21:06 ben_vulpes our coffee's just about the best one can buy in this town.
21:06 phf i'm surprised there isn't some hip coffee shop with brooklyn roasted beans in silver spring..
21:06 nubbins` phf maybe there is!
21:06 nubbins` maybe you could open one
21:06 ben_vulpes who wants brooklyn roasted beans
21:07 nubbins` people in brooklyn
21:07 ben_vulpes they don't have the water necessary to make coffee you can taste
21:07 asciilifeform there used to be a drinkable coffee in wash.,dc
21:07 nubbins` real coffee shops filter their water
21:07 asciilifeform but it recently starbuxized
21:07 ben_vulpes how can you trust their roasting if you can't trust their tasting?
21:07 asciilifeform (started mega-roasting or whatever it is they do)
21:07 ben_vulpes nubbins`: shops, maybe. in some place, maybe. not here.
21:07 mats asciilifeform: we'll see in a decade or two. this is my life's work.
21:07 * nubbins` shrugs :D
21:08 nubbins` phun phact, beans are shipped green from source and roasted at destination
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21:08 asciilifeform aha
21:08 phf nubbins`: oh, that was re asciilifeform's comments. there's plenty of good coffee in philadelphia
21:08 * asciilifeform thought this was well-known
21:08 nubbins` asciilifeform actually not!
21:08 ben_vulpes true for good chocolate as well.
21:08 ben_vulpes my buddy goes through a TEU of raw cacao beans every year or so.
21:09 nubbins` :o
21:09 shinohai Hey there is always Kopi Luwak
21:09 asciilifeform point being, the only coffee i or anyone i know can readily access in <10 min., is office pot or shitbux
21:09 nubbins` shinohai Kopi Luwak is 100% for rubes
21:09 asciilifeform because that's what's in every street corner.
21:09 ben_vulpes you know me, alf!
21:09 shinohai indeed
21:09 nubbins` 0/10, would not buy
21:09 asciilifeform know in meatspace
21:10 ben_vulpes i have 2 top-notch joints within 5 minutes stroll.
21:10 ben_vulpes you and your usaschwitz.
21:10 asciilifeform ben_vulpes lives in some very other country
21:10 asciilifeform which i've never been to
21:10 nubbins` kopi luwak = let's take some weasels, cage them, force feed them shit-quality coffee
21:10 asciilifeform and could no more move to than france or argentina
21:10 nubbins` pick the intestinal worms out of the diarrhoea
21:10 nubbins` and sell the beans for $150/lb
21:10 asciilifeform nubbins`: when i learned about this coffee, as a boy, i immediately wondered why they use this animal and no other
21:11 ben_vulpes eh, optimize performance for elemental
21:11 nubbins` the animal naturally likes coffee cherries
21:11 asciilifeform why not feed it to horses, cows
21:11 nubbins` picks the choicest ones
21:11 ben_vulpes pull in 120k, live on 80k.
21:11 asciilifeform pigs
21:11 asciilifeform they'll eat whatever
21:11 shinohai I always feel like reddit started that trend or something
21:11 nubbins` nowadays, the animals are force-fed so you might as well feed the beans to a cow.
21:12 nubbins` i guess the intestinal juices / fermenting impart a flavour
21:12 BingoBoingo <nubbins`> nowadays, the animals are force-fed so you might as well feed the beans to a cow. << I have the feeling a ruminant's multiple stomachs could defeat even a bean.
21:12 nubbins` but i've never seen a serious coffee cupper give kopi luwak more than a 7/10
21:12 asciilifeform i bet pigs would work just as well
21:12 asciilifeform esp. if bred for the task
21:12 nubbins` jamaican blue mountain, same shit
21:12 nubbins` people buying a name
21:13 nubbins` too stupid to realize that coffee is produce
21:13 nubbins` and just because a farm had a great crop one year
21:13 nubbins` doesn't mean all coffee from that region is great
21:13 nubbins` or even that next year's batch will be fit to drink
21:13 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> i bet pigs would work just as well << May need an obligate carnivore for musk from the anal glands. Perhaps physical Doge may have a use.
21:13 nubbins` heh
21:13 shinohai LOLZ
21:14 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> the secret is, i LIKED MAC OS << noises were gorgeous
21:14 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: you need an animal which doesn't immediately croak from caffeine
21:14 nubbins` ^
21:14 nubbins` most won't eat it
21:14 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Monsanto the Doge!!!
21:14 nubbins` hell, most humans won't eat coffee
21:15 nubbins` (was at friend's house one hung-over morning. his wife places chocolate chip pancakes on table in front of him. he starts chewing, massive crunching sounds. i raise eyebrow; "coffee beans", he says)
21:15 BingoBoingo "Roundup Ready" can probably be introduced into Doge via certain primate CYP450A1 alleles
21:15 asciilifeform let's package'n'sell ~his~ turds?
21:15 nubbins` would not eat
21:15 nubbins` asciilifeform this is the guy w/ the ramblings i occasionally post
21:15 asciilifeform nubbins` wouldn't. civet degustatorz - yes
21:15 nubbins` !s the buggers held full control
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21:16 ben_vulpes <nubbins`> it's actual swill << every time that i'm up north i can't shake the feeling that's where they ship the tired american brands to finally croak
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21:17 phf asciilifeform: http://bumpngrind.co are supplied by a dc roaster, without "blends"
21:17 assbot Bump 'n Grind | Coffee. Music. Food. ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5crWd )
21:17 nubbins` blends are lame
21:17 asciilifeform phf: neat. unfortunately i'm not in that town often
21:17 nubbins` it's all about single-origin these days
21:17 nubbins` turns out coffee has incredibly complex flavours
21:17 ben_vulpes (single-estate if you can get it)
21:18 nubbins` ^
21:18 ben_vulpes which, trivial.
21:18 nubbins` i used to buy beans from sweetmarias.com
21:18 nubbins` top quality
21:18 ben_vulpes beans over the internet?
21:18 ben_vulpes o.O
21:18 asciilifeform see, i want something much more realistic - drink which is not ~deliberately~ shit-flavoured
21:18 nubbins` green ones.
21:18 nubbins` roast 'em at home.
21:18 ben_vulpes ah.
21:18 ben_vulpes aha.
21:18 nubbins` ($12 hit-air popcorn popper is a very capable roaster)
21:18 nubbins` *hot-air
21:18 nubbins` low volume tho. 1/4cup at a time.
21:18 ben_vulpes i have enough hobbies tyvm
21:19 nubbins` later, i re-wired a breadmaking machine and heatgun combo into a roaster
21:19 asciilifeform 'want a glass of beer? here's some sand, some lime, some hop seeds...'
21:19 nubbins` heh
21:19 nubbins` asciilifeform a roast takes ~6 minutes in a popper
21:19 nubbins` if you like your beans dark
21:19 BingoBoingo lol, not enough "GreeK" crises http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2015/07/los_angeles_and_boston_olympic_bids_we_should_force_cities_to_participate.html
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21:19 assbot Los Angeles and Boston Olympic bids: We should force cities to participate. ... ( http://bit.ly/1gkI680 )
21:19 nubbins` https://www.sweetmarias.com/category/green-coffee/africa-and-arabia/ethiopia
21:20 assbot Ethiopia ... ( http://bit.ly/1gkI9AJ )
21:20 nubbins` ^ a great place to start if you're curious
21:20 nubbins` Yirga Cheffe is hands-down my favourite coffee origin
21:20 phf asciilifeform: it was a reasonable guess :)
21:22 phf nubbins`: i always thought blends are like multigrain breads, a way to have a brand separate from the product, so you can easily substitute your sources
21:22 asciilifeform aha, mcdonaldization
21:22 nubbins` ah, yep.
21:22 nubbins` precisely so
21:22 nubbins` this is done different ways in different places.
21:23 nubbins` kenya, for example: all coffee is sold through government auction, where the beans are sorted not by quality, original, processing method, etc but by SIZE.
21:23 nubbins` colombia: all coffee sold through government ("juan valdez"), always blended to produce well-rounded, nice, but uninteresting cups
21:24 nubbins` compare with most of central america, ethiopia, and others, where you can go to an actual farm and say "i want THESE beans" and receive said beans
21:25 nubbins` (sweet maria's often makes deals direct with farmers, bypassing "fair trade" and the requisite fee structure while also giving farmers more of the money for themselves)
21:25 nubbins` phun phact, you have to pay TransFair $0.10 for each coffee bag you print the "fair trade" logo on
21:26 * asciilifeform would like to be able to drink a ~decent~ cup of coffee without having to personally import, roast, and grind the beans
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21:26 asciilifeform y'know, like everybody in, e.g., buenos aires, can
21:26 nubbins` heh
21:26 nubbins` and nobody in bogota can ;)
21:26 asciilifeform i get it, it is possible to 'gentooize' just about anything
21:26 phf oh i was wondering why i never see kenyan beans from roasters. ethiopia, rwanda
21:27 asciilifeform even coffee
21:27 nubbins` asciilifeform there are plenty of small-batch gourmet roasters that sell online
21:27 nubbins` "coffee subscriptions" are a thing, even.
21:27 asciilifeform yes
21:27 asciilifeform this is gentooization
21:27 nubbins` :D
21:27 asciilifeform it means work
21:29 nubbins` http://freshofftheroast.com/
21:29 assbot Fresh Off the Roast | Current Coffee Inventory ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5dpSD )
21:29 nubbins` right in DC
21:29 asciilifeform nubbins`: but ~not~ <10min from my middle-of-nowhere $office
21:29 nubbins` nope!
21:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32000 @ 0.00053846 = 17.2307 BTC [-] {2}
21:29 asciilifeform hence same as if importing by post from ethiopia or whatever.
21:29 nubbins` you'd actually have to -- gasp -- go buy the beans
21:29 asciilifeform ergo - gentoo.
21:29 phf gentooization is the norm of usg living
21:29 nubbins` or do you only eat bread from sandwich shops?
21:30 asciilifeform bread from market
21:30 asciilifeform there is a coffee man there, also. but he sells starbuxified crapbeans
21:30 nubbins` ehh.
21:30 nubbins` if your complaint is that the thing you want is not literally within 10 minutes of your home
21:30 nubbins` i'm not sure why i'm trying to help you find a solution
21:31 asciilifeform it IS for EVERYONE in buenos aires
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21:31 asciilifeform didn't say there was a solution, l0l
21:31 nubbins` and i've got a two-minute walk.
21:31 nubbins` maybe you need to move to a new city ;p
21:31 asciilifeform yes, i can gentooize it and get real coffee
21:31 asciilifeform but what i actually want is to live in the civilized world.
21:31 nubbins` where specialty coffee is not delivered to your door twice monthly, but within walking distance
21:31 asciilifeform y'know, the mythical 'west' that my parents thought they were moving us to
21:32 nubbins` hey, if you're in the other washington, china is to the west
21:32 nubbins` why in the fuck is the yellow print head printing black ink?
21:32 * nubbins` rages
21:33 nubbins` good thing i've gotten 0 accomplished since 2pm
21:35 phf гудбай америка о, страна где я не буду никогда
21:37 asciilifeform ^^^
21:39 nubbins` printed some cool SHARKS today, tho
21:39 nubbins` http://i.imgur.com/eyq1HvL.jpg
21:39 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5ebPp )
21:39 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> y'know, the mythical 'west' that my parents thought they were moving us to << I'd hate to see the alternate history where your parents moved you to ben_vulpes's west
21:42 nubbins` http://i.imgur.com/btS5cmQ.jpg
21:42 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5eGc4 )
21:42 nubbins` had hoped to get the other 2 colours down today, but..
21:43 nubbins` yesterday's work: http://imgur.com/0gIP0Rc
21:43 assbot Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5eSbA )
21:53 nubbins` ok, actually have to throw printer out window. seeya
22:03 phf BingoBoingo: there's an entire generation of foreigners who believed in the america of coca cola commercials and schwarzenegger movies. they thought the aspirational simulacrum is the real deal. so of course moving here was a huge letdown.
22:03 phf there's a lot of russian jews working at NIH, self style soviet dissidents, who now run various research departments same way as they were doing it back then. the common sentiment is basically "we've been had for a pair of chinese jeans"
22:04 phf the "west" ascii is talking about, is the place that only existed on the 80s vhs tapes.
22:04 BingoBoingo I can see that.
22:05 BingoBoingo Only Hollywood movies where CIA is an antagonist are the ones where Tom Cruise works for a still more secret agency
22:09 mats not so secret, the IMF
22:15 BingoBoingo The only really appealing thing from any of those films I've seen was the gum.
22:16 gernika There's a generation of americans that believed in those ads and movies too.
~ 20 minutes ~
22:36 decimation phf: I think this is the root of about 90% of euro hate on the us
22:37 decimation yarvin pointed this out as well: you failed to live up to the america you propagandised us into believing in!
22:37 shinohai https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxroiTRg7Tg
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22:37 assbot Amerika - Rammstein (English Subtitles) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JtDUOs )
22:38 decimation which is why they spaz out whenver something slightly right-wing happens in the us, and meanwhile award obama the nobel
22:41 thestringpuller BingoBoingo: didn't take you for a mission impossible fan.
22:42 thestringpuller BingoBoingo: asciilifeform as a pot smoking hippie in some alternate reality...the stuff good sitcoms are made of
22:43 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
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22:43 mircea_popescu lol this is going to be painful.
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22:43 decimation shinohai: yes exactly that
22:45 mircea_popescu <phf> the "west" ascii is talking about, is the place that only existed on the 80s vhs tapes. << word srsly.
22:47 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215506 << i recall laughing at people for this reason a decade ago.
22:47 assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 00:19:03; nubbins`: and then literally reversed a bunch of the terms in the next version, so a site was now a web and a web was now a site
22:48 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215524 << that continuity is simply the immemorial, stone-like continuity of stupidity.
22:48 assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 00:23:54; asciilifeform: nubbins`: the philosophical (if not in any detectable way historical) continuity of microshit and edison's thing
22:49 mircea_popescu the avatars of "common sense" as held by the mentally stunted adult roman woman of "respectable extraction" would find exact equivalents in the heads of your new york rachel fucktard today, or in the heads of british imbecile a century ago, or wherever else. and it'd take them all of half an hour to start nodding approvingly at each other
22:49 mircea_popescu a facility which is both why so very few women do anything notable and at the same time why stuff like language even maintains any sort of continuity over time.
22:50 mircea_popescu "gotta support the team!"
22:50 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2e7VkHwYbI
22:50 assbot "Hey man, I'm just trying to support the team." - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DNyszt )
22:52 decimation lol from the youtube comments of that Amerika song: "There is absolutely nothing positive in germany that comes from America. America's entire auto industry re-packages their cars from German made models. This model of doing business is used on every thing America sells. "
22:52 decimation "And before some idiot American yells "we saved you in ww2!". No, you did not. America allied with Communism and slaughtered millions of Europeans. America has brought death, porn and gmo's. FUCK YOU"
22:52 decimation ^ this is true and completely untaught in the us
22:53 mircea_popescu so not true.
22:53 decimation (assuming he is talking about the forced repatriation of ethnic germans
22:53 mircea_popescu they came up with thje "let's put a lawnmower engine in ten cubic meters of injected plastic" thing all on their own
22:53 mircea_popescu next you knew, bmw and mercedes were falling over each othert toi make "suv"s
22:53 decimation yeah, big trucks sell well in the us
22:54 mircea_popescu except these are suzukis with horns.
22:54 decimation there's a weird cultural thing in america about minivans
22:54 mircea_popescu 1.3k cc engine "trucks" that can't climb a 3% incline.
22:54 decimation somehow it's okay to drive a gigantic truck with seats (suv) but a minivan isn't - even though it's more efficient and generally can carry more stuff
22:55 decimation ? trucks in the us have gigantic engies
22:56 mircea_popescu some do
22:56 mircea_popescu srsly, look at the "affordable" set.
22:56 decimation it's quite common to see them fitted with diesels that generate more than 400 brake hp
22:56 BingoBoingo <decimation> "And before some idiot American yells "we saved you in ww2!". No, you did not. America allied with Communism and slaughtered millions of Europeans. America has brought death, porn and gmo's. FUCK YOU" << Pretty sure German actually was on the GMO crop train first
22:56 decimation well, yes it is true to see trucks like that are very expensive
22:56 decimation > $50k
22:57 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo true.
22:57 decimation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Colorado < cheapass us truck
22:57 assbot Chevrolet Colorado - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1DNzagk )
22:58 mircea_popescu also, anyone who thinks "america has brought porn" is a fucktard of prime order.
22:58 mircea_popescu swiss brought porn, to america.
22:58 mircea_popescu moreover the notion porn is bad... mmkay.
22:58 BingoBoingo decimation: Not really how it works. Same name covers about 15 very different trucks any given year.
22:59 phf it's sitll pax americana last time i checked, so everyone's a hater
22:59 decimation ^
22:59 decimation not that the trends are looking good
23:00 mircea_popescu phf who'dja chjeck with ?
23:01 phf mircea_popescu: my handlers
23:02 BingoBoingo Anyways the Nordics introduced death to America first when they collapsed Red civilization with biological terrorist attacks.
23:02 mircea_popescu phf lmao whossat ?
23:04 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215525 << dunno that edison invented this. it was quintessential to the forging of the original us, the construct that for the first time mattered on the world stage, giving the dollar like any purchasing power whatsoever
23:04 assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 00:24:34; asciilifeform: specifically, the one thing edison is known with certainty to have invented is inferior-tech-empire-propped-by-pseudoentrepreneurial-fud
23:04 mircea_popescu and for the first time making it worth something projectively. prior to that, it was just measured by the world, as anything. exported to china for its silver weight etc.
23:04 mircea_popescu edison definitely instrumental in all of this, but there's a good half dozen names involved.
23:05 decimation well, europe destroying itself didn't help their case either
23:05 mircea_popescu sort of a reversed lenin equation. "sturdy but dumb" + "aluminum siding salesmen" = $$$
23:05 mircea_popescu europe lives to destroy itself.
23:06 decimation after wwi anyone who wasn't a dead or on fire was by default the 'winner'
23:06 mircea_popescu still, you know - that old question of "so you want the mike - what are you going to say into it ?"
23:06 mircea_popescu not so hard to be "the winner".
23:06 decimation well, we've seen the 'american century'
23:06 mircea_popescu started pretty good, but eventually meh.
23:07 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215525 << dunno that edison invented this. it was quintessential to the forging of the original us, the construct that for the first time mattered on the world stage, giving the dollar like any purchasing power whatsoever << Probably actually started when US and Britain fought for monopoly to impress North Americans into maritime service
23:07 assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 00:24:34; asciilifeform: specifically, the one thing edison is known with certainty to have invented is inferior-tech-empire-propped-by-pseudoentrepreneurial-fud
23:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44450 @ 0.00053825 = 23.9252 BTC [-]
23:07 mircea_popescu very much like a holywood film i guess.
23:07 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo nah, it was a carnegie, and rockefeller, and so on and so on thing
23:07 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I think it started earlier
23:07 phf i met oleg kalugin at russian cultural center, he had a handler with him, a tall gentleman, presumably from cia, who mas making sure that kalugin doesn't say something he's not supposed to say. i always wanted one of those, but until that time i just look for coded messages in the new yorker :)
23:08 mircea_popescu phf most people with your desires just get married.
23:08 BingoBoingo Carnegie and Rockefeller did not invent Northern Aggression on their own in their own lifetimes without foundations
23:08 mircea_popescu wait, kalughin ?! the guy who was eventually bent in two, tied together and thrown out with the trash ?
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23:08 mircea_popescu the guy that kept waking up and dreaming stuff with the bush and the policeman ?
23:11 phf i don't know the bush and the policeman reference, but i assume "bent in two, tied together and thrown out" is a reference to his espionage trial, then the same
23:16 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/XKCrN
23:16 assbot Should I invest my Bit-Coins? /s : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1MtsnPZ )
23:29 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
23:29 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 293.63, vol: 8382.19640739 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 288.496, vol: 4507.16962 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 295.22, vol: 13006.58501762 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 297.99, vol: 5.3342026 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 293.251941, vol: 18952.00980000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 293.50366, vol: 59.48592009 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 301.92981164, vol: 81.42906308 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
23:30 BingoBoingo Oh davout, looking bullish
23:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81780 @ 0.00053055 = 43.3884 BTC [-] {3}
23:34 mats http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215892 << what do you mean by this?
23:34 assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 02:43:09; mircea_popescu: lol this is going to be painful.
23:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18679 @ 0.00052801 = 9.8627 BTC [-]
23:41 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215958 << what did he expect, running off to usa?
23:41 assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 03:08:33; mircea_popescu: wait, kalughin ?! the guy who was eventually bent in two, tied together and thrown out with the trash ?
23:41 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/07/after-petition-obama-still-wants-to-try-snowden-for-espionage/
23:41 assbot After Petition Obama Still Wants to Try Snowden for Espionage | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpPg0C )
23:41 asciilifeform he was permitted to write a book, the very typical 'escaped sov brass' boot, nominally 'edgy' but 100% usg-approved
23:42 asciilifeform *book
23:42 mats snowden deserves to hang
23:43 mats a man does not purport to reveal govt wrongdoing and then proceed to dump hundreds of thousands of documents indiscriminately
23:43 asciilifeform for hoarding the goodz
23:43 asciilifeform and serving his usg masters to this day
23:44 asciilifeform yes - hang.
23:44 mats this is not responsible disclosure at any stretch
23:44 asciilifeform fuck 'responsible'
23:44 asciilifeform let'em burn.
23:44 mircea_popescu ;;isup trilema.com
23:44 gribble trilema.com is up
23:44 mircea_popescu ;;istrilema up.com
23:44 gribble Error: "istrilema" is not a valid command.
23:44 mircea_popescu well something like that.
23:44 asciilifeform the responsible thing to do is to help propel the bastards to hell where they belong.
23:45 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it loads here.
23:45 BingoBoingo I find Snowden and Saavis guy a nive contrast. Snowden gets hot stripper wife, Saavis CEO get stripper fired.
23:46 mircea_popescu wait, snowden married ?!
23:46 asciilifeform not afaik ?
23:46 asciilifeform and anyway, snowden is a tv character
23:47 asciilifeform it'd be like saying 'sherlock holmes married'
23:47 mircea_popescu aww
23:47 asciilifeform hardcore philologists may care about the imaginary personal life of a literary character, sure
23:48 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> wait, snowden married ?! << Last I checked his girlfriend followed him into exile.
23:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i dun get what you base this on!
23:49 asciilifeform !s hangout
23:49 assbot 48 results for 'hangout' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hangout
23:49 mircea_popescu the problem is not that i don't understand what you're saying. the problem is i don't see what you're basing it on.
23:50 asciilifeform (there is convincing evidence that all the ~good stuff~ - e.g., DEITYBOUNCE, GODSURGE, etc. - is from snowden2
23:50 asciilifeform )
23:50 asciilifeform who was killed
23:50 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> who was killed << I suspect this is more Greenwald than Snowden1
23:50 asciilifeform greenwald helped to lead him to the cork-lined cellar, yes
23:51 mircea_popescu where is this evidence ?
23:51 mircea_popescu not that what you propose doesn't make for a better story, but still.
23:51 mircea_popescu poor criteria for anything but moviemaking, this.
23:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: circumstantial; based on out-of-phase release time, and the content (uncensored) and formatting (full text memos, with technical detail, rather than idiot powerpoint)
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23:52 asciilifeform and the fact that after 'other snowden' published this, greenwald & co claimed contact
23:52 asciilifeform and no more technical docs after this.
23:52 asciilifeform we don't have a corpse, no
23:52 asciilifeform but a spent shell, and some smoke.
23:53 asciilifeform i read 100% of the material attributed to both 'snowdens'
23:53 asciilifeform the difference is a brick in the face.
23:53 asciilifeform very, very clear.
23:53 mircea_popescu care to make this a narrative for my benefit ?
23:53 asciilifeform specifically ?
23:53 mircea_popescu lemme try.
23:53 asciilifeform as in, a formulated hypothesis ?
23:53 asciilifeform lessee
23:54 asciilifeform mr nsa firmware diddler reads morning papers, for months, containing snowden (tm). decides to fuck his employer, who he never really liked
23:54 mircea_popescu so, t1 = snowden 2 ran off with some papers ; t2 = usg figurdd it out ; t3 = snowden 1 is created for purpose of defense ; t4 = greenwald & co start promoting snowden 1 ; t5 = snowden 2 finally makes public contact ; t6 = greenwald & co claim contact ; t7->to this present day
23:54 mircea_popescu something like that ?
23:54 asciilifeform (they make him work a full shift, imagine)
23:54 asciilifeform ^ this is one entirely plausible sketch
23:55 asciilifeform i can think of a few others
23:55 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> the difference is a brick in the face. << I lean towards attributing this to the two having sifferent roles and access. Difference being Snowden1 achieved escape velocity before collaborating with Greenwald and others while 2 blindly followed 1's example into trap
23:55 mircea_popescu it can only be plausible if simultaneously a) one's never had any sort of interaction wit hthe usg and b) one's stewed for years / millions of words' worth in some armchair generalship club.
23:55 asciilifeform t1 = schmuckden runs off with some paperz, gives to phriendz t2 = found, through one way or another, and nailgunned t3 = snowden (tm) (r) is created
23:56 mircea_popescu this does not explain why bother releasing anything.
23:56 asciilifeform for this, we visit earlier threads re: hangout
23:56 asciilifeform easy hypothesis - sell 'redphones,' 'blackphones,', 'keybase', 'cryptodoesntwork' (tm) (r)
23:58 asciilifeform the 'second leaker' is abundantly clear from the entirely other (interesting, actionable, technically-detailed) nature of the 'ANT catalogue' papers
23:58 mircea_popescu the problem with this theory is that it's thoroughly based on itself.
23:59 asciilifeform no, based on ANT papers vs all the other garbage
23:59 asciilifeform and the fact that it was 1) out of phase 2) no more where that came from.
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