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09:46 mircea_popescu mother is displeased with trinque 's comment.
09:57 asciilifeform meanwhile in heathendom lint trap,
09:58 * mircea_popescu is working on yet another fetlife lulzpiece.
09:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform back in 2016 we might've even seen it, i think.
09:59 asciilifeform still getting hits via $item, left'em a comment
10:00 mircea_popescu nb.
10:00 mircea_popescu i suspect, by the way, that the web offers at least one useful number :
10:01 mircea_popescu if you calculate the shelf life of pages by language space, as an average, you can actually meaningfully compare languages as cultural tools.
10:01 mircea_popescu say the average page in english is obsolete in 6 days and in russian in 8 days ? well....
10:01 asciilifeform in anglostan net, ~vanished more or less completely
10:02 mircea_popescu imo the best indicator of how culturally nil the pigdin is.
10:02 mircea_popescu or w/e, if you prefer in-universe terms, "diverse", "aware", "inclusive" etc.
10:03 asciilifeform i thought about giving the www ui a ru variant, but really even very basic 'year of eng in primary school' orc oughta be able to work it as-is
10:03 mircea_popescu imo nothing wrong with using english AS LONG AS ITS NOT A FIRST LANGUAGE.
10:04 asciilifeform as first lang, apparently it ~= lead poisoning
10:04 mircea_popescu speaking of which, very amusing circumstance : ran into teen girly, daugther of korean mother, who only speaks english, but speaks it WITH ACCENT.
10:05 asciilifeform lol!
10:08 mircea_popescu prior to this encounter only had theoretical model of such wonder via... what is it you call the theory ?
10:08 asciilifeform which theory
10:08 mircea_popescu that language influences thought.
10:09 mircea_popescu you fished some name from teh scholarly tradition, which i now don't recall.
10:09 asciilifeform sapir & whorf
10:09 mircea_popescu there.
10:09 asciilifeform this'd be, tho, if $chix spoke kr, and thereby 'thought like kr'
10:10 mircea_popescu nah. wolf kid.
10:10 asciilifeform right. so, thinks-like-wolf ?
10:10 mircea_popescu the empirical observation of degrees of wolfness supports the theory.
10:10 asciilifeform aa.
10:10 mircea_popescu language isn't innate, but acquired, is the fundamental point really.
10:10 asciilifeform well noshit
10:11 mircea_popescu hey. most of the "disputes" consist of ~same shit.
10:11 asciilifeform if were innate, would have plague of walkers who haven't any command of any language..
10:11 asciilifeform *wouldn't
10:11 mircea_popescu this is the case now, also. they however ~appear to~. you ever saw btw ?
10:12 asciilifeform dun think so
10:12 asciilifeform covers subj ?
10:12 mircea_popescu superficially, it's a vehicle for exploiting laura antonelli's tits.
10:12 mircea_popescu but it is notable because it includes, to my knowledge the best on film, model of the deffectively insane.
10:13 asciilifeform interestingly, imho in ru space substantially fewer walkers who approximate human speech while being wolf.
10:13 mircea_popescu fellow in there ~seems~ to be functional human, but is throughout thorouigh nutcase. in this exact sense, "this cpu only has half the registers and can only nop ?!"
10:13 mircea_popescu yet italian supports him mightily in his otherwise doomed quest to appear human to the other humans.
10:13 mircea_popescu his wife, his doctor, his director, etc.
10:14 mircea_popescu HOWEVER... none of them can remember his name. because, see, he can't have one, because, see, he fails most of the handshakes. but nobody notices, because... he speaks italian.
10:14 asciilifeform i suppose it's possible that this exact scenario plays out in ru net, and asciilifeform is effectively fooled
10:14 mircea_popescu eventually finds his place (unsurprisingly, @insane asylum).
10:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this exact scenario plays out a lot more than anyone reading ever realised before reading.
10:15 asciilifeform in 'vhs' anglostan there was proverb, 'lights are on but no one is home'
10:15 mircea_popescu just about. anyway, i include the film in noob psychologists' training. which is how i reviewed recently.
10:15 * asciilifeform brb,teatime.
10:22 mircea_popescu to be perfectly clear, girly wasn't impaired, she just spoke what it happens to be she had heard. not of within, but of without, which is the point.
10:25 mircea_popescu if you teach your kid your second language the kid's gonna speak it with your accent, and if you teach them english they're gonna think english thoughts rather than "their" thoughts and so following.
~ 37 minutes ~
11:02 mircea_popescu incidentally, am i the only one fascinated by the history of dyes ?
11:03 mircea_popescu it's very much a item ; in that it has organized a lot of the cognitive history of the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries in technical fields.
11:03 a111 Logged on 2017-09-12 19:34 mircea_popescu: you know what a faberge egg is for instance ?
11:04 mircea_popescu almost seems like a sort of
11:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not only 1. history of dyes ~= history of chem industry, for ~century
11:08 asciilifeform btw hilarious trilema headerpic today
11:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what was #lrh ?
11:09 asciilifeform large radron hallider ?
11:11 mircea_popescu nah that radio show thing w/e it was
11:11 asciilifeform oh hm the 'pirates' thing ?
11:12 mircea_popescu i think. i dunno, i just picked it off this very chan i think.
11:12 mircea_popescu seemed lulzy at the time.
11:13 asciilifeform ( speaking of which, if anyone never seen one, a microwave dummy load is impressive item, picture breadbox-sized cast al hedgehog with coax plug thicker than man's thumb )
11:14 mircea_popescu o ya.
~ 16 minutes ~
11:30 Mocky sounds like a bill murrray, dan aykroyd "don't cross the streams" item
11:39 mircea_popescu but to continue : it's also a red thread particularly productive through the hermeneutic method. "why did the greeks care about the columns" type of inquiries work quite well, "why did someone like say heinrich caro dedicate a decade of his life to turkish red ?"
11:39 a111 Logged on 2018-08-16 15:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not only 1. history of dyes ~= history of chem industry, for ~century
11:39 mircea_popescu one of course has to even learn wtf alizarin is, in the process. but then again that is the entire method.
11:41 mircea_popescu "when you read a text and can distinguish the absurdities it contains from the actual sense, you may claim you have an anachronistic understanding of the matter ; but when you read the text and clearly see the ~necessity~ of the absurdities, their fundamentally-required-ness, and the circumstantialness of the sense, you may claim meaningful understanding of the item" as the witticism goes.
11:41 mircea_popescu as it turns out, absurdity undergirths human thought, as a sort of rebar.
11:45 asciilifeform without history of organikism, impossible to grasp e.g. thread
11:46 asciilifeform ( interestingly, i was able to excavate ^ item with some effort + ddg, but ~not~ google )
11:47 mircea_popescu aha!
11:50 Mocky aside from being unable to argue against (as *victim*), the observation seems to have limited usefulness: can't change someone's first language. you could stop speaking it and stop looking for signs of life among its speakers, but neither of you seem to be doing this!
11:50 a111 Logged on 2018-08-16 14:03 mircea_popescu: imo nothing wrong with using english AS LONG AS ITS NOT A FIRST LANGUAGE.
11:50 a111 Logged on 2018-08-16 14:04 asciilifeform: as first lang, apparently it ~= lead poisoning
11:51 mircea_popescu Mocky you could just as well take a woman or two and become mellifluous i mean multifluent.
11:52 mircea_popescu contrary to what you might read into that, romanian also makes you fucking stupid. different kind, discussed at length on trilema though. divide & impera amirite, let the idiocy fight idiocy.
11:53 Mocky so then "first langauge" less an issue than "only language"? so multi fluency
11:54 Mocky s gonna chelate some fo that lead?
11:54 mircea_popescu but in general, you want multiple languages for the exact reason you want multiple women, or shoes. howsoever comfortable, howsoever good, useful, proper, right, you name it, if you always use the same pair of shoes they'll become unseemly.
11:54 mircea_popescu if you have $100, it's way better to buy two $40 pairs and a girl a drink than to blow the wad on a $100 pair of shoes.
11:55 Mocky i can see that argument, but it completely sidesteps the "first language" claim
11:56 mircea_popescu how do you explain most english speakers suffer from the turkish idiocy (or, manchuko idiocy, if you prefer), where they fail to learn other languages ?
11:56 mircea_popescu italians naturally learn german, germans not so naturally. there's a fundamental problem with germanic languages ; and if one follows the tree, that problem is best realised in fino-ugric group.
11:57 mircea_popescu
11:57 a111 Logged on 2018-06-12 14:55 mircea_popescu: there's this joke in romania that "if you hear a hungarian speaking foreing languages you're looking at a jew".
11:59 mircea_popescu tu quoque, have spent time and effort doing all sorts of things with your life, none of which are bad or wrong per se. yet it never occured to you "must learn language" in any effectual sense. this'd be a natural occurence though, wouldn't you say ? what disocurred it for you ? how come you went in all the rooms in the palace but one ?
12:00 mircea_popescu ~that~ would be the "lead poisoning" rather than some sort of mystical, unexaminable, forever-opressive miasma. it's just the simple thing, "hey, axototl, no tail ?" "yeah... no iodine where i live..."
12:01 Mocky i'm not in a position to say!
12:02 mircea_popescu hehe alright.
12:03 Mocky it did occur to me. went to the dominican republic some years ago for a summer, started learning spanish. but had no use for it back in the states
12:03 mircea_popescu see ?
12:04 mircea_popescu the fundamental problem with "happy" families is that they provide no intrinsic reason for offspring to "seek fortune" (as in the fairtyale trope).
12:04 deedbot << ave1 - Annotated Assembly Code for a Boot Record
12:04 mircea_popescu ahhh this guy.
12:04 * mircea_popescu goes to read.
12:07 Mocky i do see it now actually, yes
12:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform is the whole talk-to-kbd the replacement triple-fault to switch modes or whart ?
12:08 mircea_popescu ave1 you know it's a pleasure to revisit my childhood in your company.
12:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu reads veryveryquickly, i still gotta eat $subj
12:08 mircea_popescu it's easy to read fast when you don't understand anything.
12:09 asciilifeform oh i think it's a chew-through of asciilifeform's traditional bootsect
12:09 asciilifeform ( written circa '07 or so )
12:09 mircea_popescu it is yes.
12:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re kbd -- seealso
12:14 a111 Logged on 2015-08-02 22:53 asciilifeform: for instance, the 'a20 gate' is almost certainly not actually implemented in your chipset
12:15 asciilifeform ( it to this day is req'd , to turn on the 1MB addr line on pc ! because shitsandwich. )
12:15 mircea_popescu aha. but i vaguely recall, from my days of doing this 2decades+ ago, that the way to put processor from real to protected mode or back was a triple fault
12:15 mircea_popescu which i presume is WHY the gdr table is still 0 on 1st entry
12:15 mircea_popescu except i don't see the faulting code anymoar.
12:15 asciilifeform long gone is the intel 8042 chip; the idjicy lives on.
12:16 ave1 I never looked into this in the 90s and now I have too learn
12:16 asciilifeform 1 interesting detail is that you can get away with skipping certain parts of the incantation, on certain iron
12:17 asciilifeform but if you want a thing that runs on 100% of x64 boxen, incl. vm/emulators, you end up with whole song.
12:17 mircea_popescu ave1 in my mind, this sort of elaborate incantatorial nonsense is why i nodded along at alf's screaming for new procs historically.
12:17 asciilifeform << moar re a20
12:17 mircea_popescu tbh i don't think anyone at all familiar with the functioning of hardware init can propose the tradition is worth continuing with a straight face.
12:18 asciilifeform the tricky part is not the baking of sane arch -- a latrine cleaner from calcutta could prolly come up with a better one than intel. the tricky bit is to avoid replay of the history.
12:18 mircea_popescu quite.
12:22 asciilifeform ave1: i have nfi where e.g. 'line 47' is, all of your line #s are mangled
12:23 asciilifeform i'ma guess it was re : inc dword [d_lba] , and it gets inc'd because it's the read position marker .
12:27 ben_vulpes << the otherwise-invisible failure to implement anything even approaching intelligence augmentation (or even the statistical AI crap) is never so obvious as when translating works in other languages on the touchscreendevices: why does 'iBooks' waste all of this time animating between the french and english translations of the book i'm working on; how is there after
12:27 a111 Logged on 2018-08-16 15:56 mircea_popescu: italians naturally learn german, germans not so naturally. there's a fundamental problem with germanic languages ; and if one follows the tree, that problem is best realised in fino-ugric group.
12:27 ben_vulpes all this time no auto-interlineated de toqueville; and on and on
12:27 ben_vulpes turns out, absolutely no replacement for a large desk and several dictionaries
12:27 mircea_popescu quite.
12:27 mircea_popescu i manage quite well with digital lookup in dictionary flatfiles, but i suspect familiarity has a lot to do with it.
12:29 asciilifeform ( << obligdict )
12:29 * ben_vulpes began the exercise as a form of entertainment during a road trip recently; "hey baby what do you think of this translation" "what does X mean in context of Y"
12:29 mircea_popescu (perseus incidentally makes the value of digital dict quite apparent ; they have linked word frequency counts, very good collations of multiple dict/thesauri etc)
12:30 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'm still waiting to ever see a dict like perseus for living langs
12:30 mircea_popescu i'd go as far as to say they set a standard.
12:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform indeed. thing is, last thinking men in english retreated in greek. amusing how this went.
12:31 ben_vulpes trinque flagged whitaker's words for me as a latin dictionary (an ada artifact even!)
12:32 trinque that thing's lovely
12:32 mircea_popescu you should prolly publish this.
12:32 ben_vulpes which you, what this lol
12:32 mircea_popescu the flagged whitaker's words.
12:32 mircea_popescu and the ada artifact.
12:33 trinque yep, no guarantee it'll remain wherever I found it
12:33 ben_vulpes originally
12:33 a111 Logged on 2016-12-13 15:07 trinque: speaking of relics, I just dug up WORDS
12:33 mircea_popescu also no guarantee it doesn't spark who knows what in who knows who's head.
12:33 * trinque will post
12:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the probable "cause" for there not being sane dict for living langs, you realise, is that there IS such a thing as a cannonical body of greek, but "who is to say what anglovomit does not make the cut".
12:35 mircea_popescu see ?
12:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: can take, idk, 1930s oxford dict, or whatnot
12:35 asciilifeform this is solvable problem
12:36 mircea_popescu learning languages, also solvable problem.
12:36 mircea_popescu you were discussing it not being solved.
12:36 mircea_popescu an' i betcha it's because they "don't feel" it "fair" to ~exclude~ anything. rendering any count impossible. which is very much the point.
12:37 asciilifeform 'not solved' is not quite it. sanding parquet is also 'solved problem' even with hands and sand paper. but i'd rather have electric cycler.
12:37 ben_vulpes kids would rather sit around the table gabbling about whatever problems 0.00003% of the population have instead of sitting down and reading old shit about universals as what apply to 99.99% of the population
12:38 mircea_popescu the fact that anglotard english "does not have a cannonical body of works", the necessary result of "ameritards stole england's language but had no room in pocket for culture", resulted as it has in "no great american novel" makes it impossible for engl dept to see what classical lang dept did and do it one better.
12:38 ben_vulpes 'haskellism' thread for those who mighta got something out of socrates.
12:38 asciilifeform ave1: re a20 'ret' -- pretty sure i nuked it when was cutting irrelevant cruft off the thing for orig publication
12:38 asciilifeform interesting that it still ran.
12:38 mircea_popescu interesting is one word for it...
12:39 mircea_popescu do you realise it runs by flag, somehow ?
12:39 asciilifeform well all it means is that the chip where i tested, does the out 0x64, ... from 1st shot
12:39 asciilifeform and we lose 2 byte of stack space.
12:39 mircea_popescu i guess. this may be even worth looking into.
12:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if it dun fire, generally switch into longmode dun go.
12:41 BingoBoingo << But we do have cut offs for when the potential American canon ends. 1910 in the general case and 1898 in the African American case.
12:41 a111 Logged on 2018-08-16 16:38 mircea_popescu: the fact that anglotard english "does not have a cannonical body of works", the necessary result of "ameritards stole england's language but had no room in pocket for culture", resulted as it has in "no great american novel" makes it impossible for engl dept to see what classical lang dept did and do it one better.
12:41 asciilifeform i never wrote ave1-style article re subj, cuz depressingly loathesome crud, approx as interesting as ms winblowz api
12:41 mircea_popescu evidently made by the same people, too.
12:42 asciilifeform of course same.
12:42 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo why 1898 ?
12:42 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It's when Alexander Crummel died. Was a black nationalist who worked on making a black zion in Liberia, put skin into the game, mourned the results.
12:44 mircea_popescu i c
12:44 BingoBoingo Anything after that including Kim's husband has to fall into the general case
12:45 asciilifeform 'Note that even in REAL mode the 32bit registers are available.' << they are, with prefix opcode . i wrote various msdosisms that way.
12:45 asciilifeform aka 'unreal mode'
12:46 asciilifeform << seealso
12:46 a111 Logged on 2014-11-23 00:13 asciilifeform:
12:46 asciilifeform unfortunately yer still stuck with segments, there
12:46 asciilifeform ( on some x64 chips, can even get '64b unreal', but not reliable )
12:48 asciilifeform ave1: if you're interested, i'll post the kernel loader at some pt, but you can easily write own, exercise.
12:48 asciilifeform somewhere i also have a pci bus init turd, etc
12:48 asciilifeform and a (nonworking) rt nic driver, and fuckknows what else.
12:49 asciilifeform as for uart, pretty sure that it's in the logs, posted a while back.
12:49 asciilifeform really you can make a x64 box do useful work, with just boot sect + kernel loader + uart.
12:50 asciilifeform ( ffa in particular , only needs a stack, and 2 uarts, 1 for commands, 1 for FUCKGOATS ... )
12:51 BingoBoingo The whole crummel story is lulzy. Pan African runs over to Liberia in 1853 to raise a Christian Republic... Returns to the US in fear of the ascendant Liberian mulatto caste.
12:52 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo possibly worth writing.
12:53 deedbot << Qntra - New Zealand Bans Sale Of Homes To Foreigners
12:54 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Imma prolly have to do that in light of the parallels to Brazillian history.
12:54 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: re qntra $item -- seems like they have similar laws in europistans, e.g. ro
12:54 asciilifeform no eu passport, no buy
12:55 asciilifeform hence the old thread where 'omfg , 20k usd for castle, why no one buys'
12:55 asciilifeform << re subj
12:55 a111 Logged on 2017-10-31 15:15 asciilifeform: whole thing quite resembles the 'silver coin glued to the asphalt' everyone encounters in childhood
12:56 asciilifeform i've nfi why anybody with actual moneys would think of moving to 'five eyes' nz tho.
12:57 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Sure, lots of places have similar deals. The point is all those silicon valley pantsuits who thought they had an out. Waiting for their paper to carry them across the Pacific so they could retire to Pokemon Go and hobbit fucking in New Zealand, except... The window closed on them.
12:57 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: they'll have to shell out a mil or so for new passport, so what.
12:57 asciilifeform not as if this were serious dough to sv pantsuit.
12:58 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: They needed that million to bid against the Chicoms
12:58 asciilifeform for comparison, ro passport was 800k or so, last i saw
12:59 BingoBoingo And German comes with a stipend if you convert to Islam
12:59 ben_vulpes looool
12:59 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: gotta also spraypaint yer skin, lol
12:59 BingoBoingo Nah, naked sunbathing works
12:59 ben_vulpes there's always the jail stiped if you fly over and then turn tail
13:00 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i think that's only in usa
13:00 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: pretty sure the brits do it too
13:00 asciilifeform elsewhere they stuff you into the next plane back to anglostan
13:01 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: in east europistan, you can walk around ~forever with expired visas, nobody gives half a shit until/unless you try to officially register something
13:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that was always the case afaik.
13:01 asciilifeform ( iirc problem happens if you come out and then try back in )
13:02 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i mean the 'fly to terristostan, come home, get apprehended for aiding and abetting'
13:04 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: just write that yer flying to get yer niece declitted, they'll wave you through..
13:05 * asciilifeform not yet been to dar al islam, cannot comment on how much paper headache
13:05 mircea_popescu not much
13:05 mircea_popescu iirc trilema even published some real estate paperwork from my stay there
13:05 asciilifeform well , notmuch for mircea_popescu , but possibly moar for anglozeks
13:06 mircea_popescu possibry. they did not like anglos much.
13:06 mircea_popescu fucking loved me, though.
13:06 asciilifeform angloproblems typically happen back home.
13:07 asciilifeform anglogulag dun have a wire fence , it is 'guarded by taiga'
13:08 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: how come yer still in usa, anyway ? i thought you finally cut the tether a while back
13:09 mircea_popescu he's, by all appearances, being digested.
13:09 asciilifeform that suxx
13:09 ben_vulpes got lured into a bezzle
13:10 mircea_popescu started in duodeniscadia, moved through cardia into washingtomach, now being excreted into texasbowel.
13:10 asciilifeform aa the good sort of digested
13:10 mircea_popescu i just hope the anus isn't mexico city
13:10 mircea_popescu as all satmaps indicate.
13:10 asciilifeform what's wrong with mexicocity ?
13:10 ben_vulpes juarez is right there
13:11 mircea_popescu other than being the intercontinental asshole you mean ?
13:11 asciilifeform hard to picture a dourer arsehole than where asciilifeform is
13:11 mircea_popescu that's just a tumour. anal pore something else.
13:12 ben_vulpes less blue hair and fewer kilts as i move through the digestive tract
13:12 ben_vulpes ain't complaining
13:13 ben_vulpes haven't even heard a peep about putting trans rights into the corporate handbook in at least three years!
13:13 BingoBoingo The problem with Mexico is the strong government that either might not like you or might decide to have fun with your holes
13:13 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: here , no kilts, just cardboard houses, decaying roads, 10bux/hr parking, and limba de lemn
13:14 mircea_popescu 2bux/hr here. even moar expensive in ppc terms.
13:14 mircea_popescu locals are lucky if they get 10-15k pa.
13:14 ben_vulpes sadly, am peristalted into cardboardhouse bigzone
13:14 BingoBoingo Parking here expensive as well
13:15 ben_vulpes cars are expensive, what of it
13:15 ben_vulpes cult of motor is not for poorfags
13:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: recall, usa is this peculiar gulag that's ~unnavigable w/out auto
13:15 asciilifeform it aint optional
13:16 ben_vulpes is auto optional in cr?
13:16 asciilifeform you'll find rusted tubs on the road that look like they belong in havana, owner changes hydraulic oil ~daily, but keeps the thing going , if he can't make rent he'll live in the tub, not having the tub is not option if you like eating
13:17 deedbot << Trilema -
13:17 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: CR has orcycles
13:17 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: but for humans
13:18 BingoBoingo gold plated helicopters?
13:19 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes not really. ~only place auto is optional would be yurp.
13:19 ben_vulpes ~only place builtup pre auto, not surprising
13:19 mircea_popescu quite.
13:20 asciilifeform there's a reason, i guess, why eu passport is 800k.
13:20 ben_vulpes and while the uncleals are convinced it'll be highway maintenance that blows a crater in the usg budget, i have high hopes that the heavy metal poisoning from 'vape pen' use will eclipse it by a few orders of magnitude
13:21 mircea_popescu afaik it's not even a "is x". if you're willing to spend some dough, like, buy a house or something, you can have it.
13:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: dunno where this worx, in current ro is catch22
13:21 mircea_popescu how so ?
13:21 asciilifeform no passport, no title
13:22 asciilifeform iirc we had thread
13:22 mircea_popescu you register company, you have company receive some dough, which it can use however it pleases, such as buying you a dozen cars or a piece of real estate or w/e, then you use that for right of stay and eventually passport.
13:22 mircea_popescu or could just marry a local hussy.
13:23 asciilifeform iirc they also have variant where you sit in rented flat for 10y.
13:23 asciilifeform to same effect
13:23 asciilifeform i was speaking of human timescales, rather than 'the king may die, the horse may die' ones
13:23 mircea_popescu though might give you history / lang test, i dun recall
13:24 asciilifeform that aint hard part for anybody with half a brain
13:24 mircea_popescu i don't get it, what;s the rush ?
13:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: to get the fuck off usg's tax rolls, say
13:24 mircea_popescu that will never happen ; usg will forever pretend you owe it money no matter what
13:24 mircea_popescu recall soviet jews ?
13:24 asciilifeform there's pretend, there's collect, neh
13:25 mircea_popescu leave the premises, let them collect
13:25 mircea_popescu i got a buncha girlies in "default" about imaginary "debts".
13:25 mircea_popescu they'll be collected upon sometime after i fuck ivanka.
13:25 asciilifeform soon as i grow enuff brain to find how to eat without working for anglo-lame, i'ma do exactly as pictured
13:27 asciilifeform ( admittedly 'eat' is broad concept for asciilifeform , includes 'microscopy budget' )
13:27 asciilifeform !!up diana_away
13:27 deedbot diana_away voiced for 30 minutes.
13:27 diana_away thanks asciilifeform !
13:27 ben_vulpes shed thirty years and three tonnes, do css on fiverr for bitdribbles
13:27 asciilifeform diana_away: sunny mircea_popescustan ?
13:28 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: why stop there, i hear amoeba can live on <1cal/day
13:28 diana_away yes; almost too hot atm
13:28 mircea_popescu o check her out. how goes diana_away ?
13:28 diana_away eeringly similar to Romania not so many years ago on various levels
13:28 diana_away although the diminutive toyota sort-of-cars are funy
13:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform see ? women have advantage of slavery!
13:29 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: couldn't disagree
13:34 asciilifeform diana_away: seen ocelot yet ?
13:34 mircea_popescu lmao\
13:34 asciilifeform or at least gekko
13:34 diana_away asciilifeform: lol! so far made inventory of wind turbines on top of hill, huge butterflies and weird, coloured insects
13:35 diana_away and coconuts + vendor on a sort of trike
13:35 * asciilifeform intends to see mircea_popescustan some time this yr
13:35 mircea_popescu cool
13:35 mircea_popescu diana_away tried a papaya yet ?
13:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: interestingly, we have papaya here, flown from.. cr
13:36 mircea_popescu i bet.
13:37 diana_away mircea_popescu: I guess I'll give it another try, I never liked papaya; I do like those tiny bananas
13:37 mircea_popescu gotta get it from the peasant guys rtho, supermarket fruit is ~ok.
13:42 asciilifeform i'd also look for the 'dying hdd bird'
13:43 mircea_popescu cicada.
13:43 asciilifeform aah
13:43 mircea_popescu not season yet tho. blessfully.
13:43 asciilifeform and meat of iguana
13:43 asciilifeform hm i had nfi that mircea_popescustan had seasons
13:43 mircea_popescu insects do lol.
13:44 asciilifeform aa makes sense
13:44 asciilifeform i'd imagine theirs would be 'sliding' tho, if the terrain has none
13:44 mircea_popescu that whole genera is very time bound, has 7 year periods and whatnot
13:44 mircea_popescu nope.
13:44 asciilifeform interesting
13:44 mircea_popescu insect timekeeping, it's a weird thing. possibly sideral.
13:45 asciilifeform they could even be synced to some migratory lifeform that hangs out where there ~are~ seasons
13:45 trinque we've got the cicadas up this way too, astonishingly loud
13:45 asciilifeform trinque: cicada month here, also, ear-splitting
13:45 asciilifeform i was doing some work with a large tree, fulla'em
13:46 trinque I like the alien little buggers
13:47 mircea_popescu but they totally are fucking alien.
13:47 asciilifeform they live, for, what, 20yr inside the earth..
13:47 trinque sound like they oughta be able to eviscerate a man in swarm
13:47 mircea_popescu depends on species, but yes, multiyear
13:48 asciilifeform i was here for the 17-yr collision of three species, was unspeakably loud, as in firing-range loud
13:49 mircea_popescu yes, this sort of thing happens, they have different periods so sometimes collide.
13:49 mircea_popescu all-bugs day.
13:50 asciilifeform month
13:50 mircea_popescu right.
13:54 BingoBoingo One of my university stints placed me in an emergence. pretty tasty critters.
13:55 asciilifeform 'mana from heaven' lel
13:55 BingoBoingo But you gotta sort em. Males are nothing but shells full of air for the noise making. Gotta eat the females
13:57 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: yes, and uncannily ties in with prev thread..
13:57 asciilifeform !!up diana_away
13:57 deedbot diana_away voiced for 30 minutes.
14:07 mircea_popescu !!key diana_away
14:07 deedbot Not registered.
14:07 mircea_popescu noob.
14:18 asciilifeform in other noose, asciilifeform obtained and testing a LTC3108 , 'energy harvester', they've become cheapo
14:18 asciilifeform thing eats >=20mV , from wherever, and charges 4 1F 'supercaps'
14:19 asciilifeform ( 'wherever' includes, e.g., pv panels glued to tritium glow tube, or peltier to iron stake, or even antenna, if convenient geography )
14:19 diana_away lmao; totally noob
14:23 BingoBoingo Congrats trinque on what appears to be the sync of your Pizarro node
14:23 asciilifeform << subj detail, for serious aficionados
14:24 ben_vulpes haw someone just sent me an ad for a nylon "posture brace"; not that a brace is going to do anything for the lump of muscle developing at the base of millenial skulls from supporting their heads at a thirty-degree angle all day
14:24 ben_vulpes the problem isn't your /posture/, kids, it's your /lifestyle/
14:25 ben_vulpes head UP! tits OUT! hips TILTED BACK!
14:25 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: lol! as in !?
14:26 ben_vulpes asciilifeform:
14:27 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: recall the hypertrophies of 19th c railroad men. 'so, don't work on the railroad, then!' ( oblig )
14:27 a111 Logged on 2015-08-19 00:18 asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.' cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family' mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in.'
14:28 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i don't actually know of this deformity
14:28 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: if you saw 'popeye' character, you've seen it
14:29 asciilifeform ( picture d00d, thin as a matchstick, but 50kg top half )
14:30 trinque BingoBoingo: indeed, thanks!
14:30 ben_vulpes never skip leg day
14:31 trinque about time I announced it, seems like
14:40 asciilifeform in other lulz, << openssh quasi-0day -- can enumerate machine users
14:41 ben_vulpes hm lemonde blocks
14:41 ben_vulpes anyways, non-news
14:42 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: seealso e.g.
14:42 a111 Logged on 2017-07-18 13:28 asciilifeform: << they're already 'eltsining' to death , with the good old bottle, no fancy dope needed necessarily
14:42 scriba Logged on 2017-07-18: [05:45:01] <mircea_popescu> gotta cut the total male-years somehow, and chem cockcage prolly even cheaper than the steel item.
14:44 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The fancy dope tends to cause less collateral damage when it works suddenly. When bottle takes suddenly usually a motor vehicle is involved
14:45 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: sorta why usg is pushing eltsining-through-opium paradigm
14:46 BingoBoingo Well, that and the opportunity to run the printing press and spread bezzel to favored lizards bringing back a number of them along the way
14:49 trinque !!deed
14:49 deedbot accepted: 1
14:49 asciilifeform congrats trinque
14:49 mircea_popescu buttseks.
14:51 deedbot << trinque - New TRB Node at
14:52 asciilifeform trinque: out of curiosity, how long sync took ? ( and was it with 'aggression' ? )
14:54 trinque I switched to aggression midway, after waiting months, and from there took a few weeks
14:54 trinque before aggression, I saw long periods where it wasn't doing a damned thing
14:54 asciilifeform aa
14:54 asciilifeform is the expected picture, yes
15:02 trinque mod6: ^ whenever you get a chance, got a new node for ya
15:15 deedbot
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15:48 mod6 trinque: ack
15:49 mod6 Thanks for letting me know.
~ 55 minutes ~
16:44 asciilifeform in other heathenlulz, '25 years of debian'
~ 1 hours 28 minutes ~
18:12 deedbot << Qntra - USG Sues Free Texas Radio Station Over Outlaw Broadcasting
~ 20 minutes ~
18:33 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: re qntra -- i was listening to that very station just last wk
18:33 asciilifeform ( it , funnily enuff, was the ~only thing that could be heard here ! )
18:34 asciilifeform or hm nm
18:34 asciilifeform this wasn't his sw station
18:34 asciilifeform but some local thing
18:34 asciilifeform '90.1 frequency in Austin' << yea definitely not the sw.
18:38 asciilifeform 'We expect that letters so addressed would more properly come from your company's International Bureau and then only after there's been some treaty of other discovered to which we are signators' << >> ( & elsewhere lulz )
18:38 asciilifeform !#s sovereign citizen
18:38 a111 13 results for "sovereign citizen",
18:38 asciilifeform ^ peculiarly-usaschwitz tradition, pretty much exactly like snake oil cures but for usg.bureaucratic problems
18:43 asciilifeform upstack, the thing i find extralulzy re the shortrange/fm 'pirates', is that for no apparent reason, they refuse to use the most obvious anti-df pill -- multiple geographically-dispersed antennae operating b/w pi and 2pi out of phase
18:43 asciilifeform easily raises cost of df 100x
18:44 asciilifeform ( effect -- transmitter appears to fly )
18:44 * asciilifeform bbl,meat
~ 18 minutes ~
19:03 jurov asciilifeform: is it so easy to maintain the phase? i imagine that requires nanosecond precision clock or one central source with feed lines?
~ 21 minutes ~
19:25 BingoBoingo Precision clocks aren't too expensive if you aren't trying to fly them, but it's yet another thing to power
~ 31 minutes ~
19:56 mod6 trinque: updated the Advertised Republican Node list with - Cheers!
20:10 asciilifeform meanwhile in lulzplagiarism, << ( yes pdfturd ) >> best usg.phuctor to date
20:10 asciilifeform jurov: nope, simply needs the nodes to pick up ~each other~. sorta 'firing squad problem', i will leave it as exercise
20:11 mod6 once we have a text-client for eulora, will work pretty great on a rockchip
20:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy , d00d presented 'his' work at the thing, and loox like even ripped our ui etc
20:12 a111 Logged on 2018-08-10 13:11 asciilifeform: ould be prosecuted if he stepped foot in the hotel again... "Sir, your speech has consequences so you better think about that in the future before you threaten," was another comment from the security team.'
20:13 * asciilifeform found $subj via mats, dedicated entomologist
20:14 asciilifeform 'Found vulnerable keys on, and!' etc etc
20:14 mod6 !!ledger
20:14 deedbot
20:14 asciilifeform << subj
20:14 asciilifeform 'As part of the Kudelski Group, Kudelski Security embodies the same innovative spirit that has inspired the company since its creation in 1951' << didjaknow
20:14 asciilifeform name sounds familiar, i could've sworn d00d popped up in l0gz, lessee,
20:14 asciilifeform !#s kudelski
20:14 a111 1 result for "kudelski",
20:15 mod6 !!sent-invoices
20:15 deedbot
20:15 asciilifeform hm possibly not..
20:15 shinohai asciilifeform 's slides ... complete with lame memes xD
20:15 asciilifeform lol
20:16 asciilifeform << txt of pdfturd, for the lulzrecord
20:16 mod6 heeeeey, what up shinohai
20:16 asciilifeform shinohai: funny how they never bother to straight up and lift the popped mods from phuctor
20:16 shinohai heya mod6
20:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sorta hilarious, imho, took usg 5 whole yrs to finally implement bernstein ( supposing thing even worx, i haven't found the giving shit to actually try it )
20:20 mod6 haha, 'https' site even. weeeeee
20:20 asciilifeform but of course
20:20 mod6 smh
20:21 asciilifeform embrace&extend!1111
20:22 lobbes I love how their 'demo' slide is blank.
20:26 mod6 these orcs straight up ripped off s.nsa
20:28 asciilifeform mod6: not even any orc, but Official usg 'seekooority' contract house, lol
20:28 shinohai Stoopid freenode
20:29 asciilifeform not even boeck's 10min perl thing, but finally a job
20:29 a111 Logged on 2017-02-19 03:54 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron)
20:30 asciilifeform embrace, extend, unhappen
20:38 asciilifeform next , naturally, will come the linkage from erry 'respectable' seekoority rag, then the 100mil google-microshit buyout, etc
20:39 mod6 weak
20:39 asciilifeform hm?
20:42 asciilifeform i mean, it seems like a pretty standard play
20:42 a111 Logged on 2017-03-26 15:03 mp_en_viaje: basically a novel vector of imperial attack seems to be this "let's take republican items and ~EXPAND~ the downstream so that siberian river attack is then feasible".
20:43 mats i wonder what 280 vCPUs cost an hour, dayum
20:43 asciilifeform mats: 0, if you're usg and already have'em, neh
20:43 asciilifeform btw wb mats
20:44 mats ty
20:45 trinque thanks mod6 !
20:48 asciilifeform i was about to add 'next will be usg.clone pseudo-FUCKGOATS' but remembered , they already released several , all of course with whitening and voltage booster pissing oscillation into power rail , and afaik all 2 (3? 4?) of'em even less popular than FG ( because why to buy whitened turdrng, intel ships for free on-die )
20:49 asciilifeform so perhaps instead, idk, 'blizzard' clones eulora, 'we nao have in-game btc!'-with-aml-kyc-crapola, etc
20:50 shinohai I was about to say, can take pick of whitened rng's online nau
20:50 asciilifeform and usg.pseudo-deedbot is iirc a 2015 item
20:51 asciilifeform i dun expect a usg.pseudo-v, item is prolly intrinsically incomprehensible to the subhuman-idcardcarriers . but whoknows.
20:52 lobbes I mean, they can ersatz all day. It'll do ~0 from a human perspective
20:53 lobbes save for lulz
20:53 asciilifeform lobbes: it doesn't particularly need to 'do', it is part of the maintenance work for the parallel universe they (+ the herd of 'just wanters' , naturally )live in
20:56 asciilifeform the ultimate point, i suspect, is to help unglue nascent Framedragger's ( a la thread ) from tmsr
20:56 a111 Logged on 2017-04-05 14:07 Framedragger: mircea_popescu: what original thing did they take from phuctor, may i ask?
20:56 asciilifeform ^ thread worth reread
20:57 asciilifeform in re e.g. aspect
20:57 a111 Logged on 2017-04-05 14:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the interesting bit is that the enemy applies mircea_popescu's 'outsiders may NOT have ideas' thing quite well. 'oh, those terrorists made sonething? hiw cute. we'll take it and get $100 mil in grantola.'
20:57 mod6 trinque: yw
21:00 * asciilifeform brb,meat
21:02 mats asciilifeform: have you put the 'CRoCS' set they refer to, into phuctor?
~ 17 minutes ~
21:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform of course. most of the apparently functional parts of the empire are simply republican-tech-with-serials-filed-off, in this case "implicit" rather than explicit.
21:23 lobbes<< that was a good reread, ty. I never thought of the 'unglue nascent Framedraggers' angle but that does seem to be worst effect of the disregarding of the knowledge-chain (
21:23 a111 Logged on 2018-08-17 00:56 asciilifeform: the ultimate point, i suspect, is to help unglue nascent Framedragger's ( a la thread ) from tmsr
21:23 a111 Logged on 2017-04-05 14:26 mircea_popescu: this chaining of knowledge, for your info, is the CORE of academia.
21:24 asciilifeform mats: we can dump in usg.curated snoarcollection right after we run out of errything else, i guess. which won't be soon.
21:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this one seems to be of the explicit, fwiw, kind
21:25 asciilifeform unless i misparsed the sentence
21:29 mircea_popescu just talking generally.
21:29 asciilifeform lobbes: near as i can tell, their angle of attack is a) make sure intelligent n00bz dun run the risk of finding way into tmsr b) in the slim chance they find, make sure they're adequately teflon-coated, and dun risk sticking
21:29 mats asciilifeform: what else is left?
21:29 asciilifeform mats: most of yours !
21:30 asciilifeform then sks replay
21:30 asciilifeform then realtime scans, etc
21:32 mircea_popescu a public service altogether.
21:32 asciilifeform mats: not to mention, the orthogonal puzzler re mikrotik etc
21:33 asciilifeform thing is, any idjit (turns out ) can bernsteinize
21:33 asciilifeform but not erry -- can (+ will) burn the originating usgola
21:34 asciilifeform which is imho next proper order of biznis for phuctor, generally speaking
21:34 mats asciilifeform: i think i found the crocs set in a google drive folder
21:35 asciilifeform i.e.
21:35 a111 Logged on 2018-08-12 23:37 asciilifeform: the huawei crapola, for instance, i'm quite convinced at this point would be 100% breakable if anybody got hold of a unit and forced it to generate keys 24/7 for a coupla months
21:35 mats how would you automate clean boot and key gen?
21:36 asciilifeform mats: how is it a problem on FG-equipped box ?
21:36 asciilifeform no fg, no key genning, caseclosed
21:36 mircea_popescu << it's not easy to maintain phase in the absolute ; but it's radio, with error correction you can get out of the jam
21:36 a111 Logged on 2018-08-16 23:03 jurov: asciilifeform: is it so easy to maintain the phase? i imagine that requires nanosecond precision clock or one central source with feed lines?
21:37 mats i thought the point is to make a mikrotik or huawei produce a broken key in its natural environment? to expand the db of factors?
21:37 asciilifeform mats: aa. with soldered probes, of course
21:37 asciilifeform how else
21:37 mircea_popescu << expect a lot of these. intellectual leadership essentially means, every hormonal teenager will tell the girls in his class, "oh, mp, we're opld friends"
21:37 a111 Logged on 2018-08-17 00:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy , d00d presented 'his' work at the thing, and loox like even ripped our ui etc
21:37 mircea_popescu then they come into my basement and we lulz at it. what can you do.
21:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: as i pointed earlier, it aint the first rip, simply the most polished afaik to date
21:38 mircea_popescu pretty much whole "corporate" portion of www consists of this anyway.
21:38 mircea_popescu we should never have permitted them online.
21:38 asciilifeform for some reason phuctor took'em 5y, i've nfi why
21:39 mircea_popescu <<< and the inexplicable "why is mp offering half a bitcent for the entire directorate ?!?!?!"
21:39 a111 Logged on 2018-08-17 00:38 asciilifeform: next , naturally, will come the linkage from erry 'respectable' seekoority rag, then the 100mil google-microshit buyout, etc
21:40 mircea_popescu << it'll be pretty lulzy, this.
21:40 a111 Logged on 2018-08-17 00:49 asciilifeform: so perhaps instead, idk, 'blizzard' clones eulora, 'we nao have in-game btc!'-with-aml-kyc-crapola, etc
21:40 mircea_popescu eulora rather harder to copy than meets the fly eye.
21:41 asciilifeform hey, 5yr and 100m, can chinacopy anyffing neh
21:41 asciilifeform ( and then ban orig from searchengines etc )
21:41 mircea_popescu << seriously, this is a major help. i really really REALLY don't want a buncha bois in here. i'd much prefer the field be mostly female, and mostly my slavegirls.
21:41 a111 Logged on 2018-08-17 00:56 asciilifeform: the ultimate point, i suspect, is to help unglue nascent Framedragger's ( a la thread ) from tmsr
21:41 mircea_popescu i don't hold it against the males that manage to make it
21:42 mircea_popescu but the notion that anyone ever wanted a male is the most ridiculous nonsense ever. other than for steaks, xy has no use.
21:42 asciilifeform field?
21:42 asciilifeform possibly mircea_popescu already succeeded, cuz i wasn't aware there was a field..
21:42 mircea_popescu the republic loses nothing / gains nothing whether adlai/framedragger/whatever is in or out.
21:43 mircea_popescu the marginal value of the marginal male is 0.
21:43 asciilifeform the value of nonmarginal is >0 tho
21:43 mircea_popescu but the nonmarginal doesn't have the problem here discussed, as part of the definition of nonmarginal.
21:45 asciilifeform and we still dun have , e.g., microscopist, dunno, rocketeer, barrister, artist, fughet what else
21:45 mircea_popescu certainly. but we also don't need weak ones for any purpose (or, in that sense, already "have")
21:45 asciilifeform nobody needs weak, lol
21:46 asciilifeform 'can play violin?' 'dunno, not tried'
21:46 mircea_popescu in short, "teflon-coatable" noobs ~should~ be teflon coated. god knows i do everything i can to help the coating.
21:46 mircea_popescu so do you. it's after all how fg ended up named fg, isn't it. and how we got rid of, eg, pete_douchenski
21:46 mircea_popescu and so on.
21:47 mircea_popescu there's great value in getting rid of code. greater than in "acquiring" code. same is true of people. getting rid is a great boon.
21:47 asciilifeform imho e.g. Framedragger, ~could~ have grown up to be serious fella with serious work
21:47 mircea_popescu evidently this is not so.
21:48 mircea_popescu what "could" is this ? if he could he would neh.
21:49 asciilifeform i can see mircea_popescu pov, and cannot actually find with waht to disagree, luzlily came not long ago from ww2 thread in ru planet where 'the surrenderees are in fact biologically defective' and also dun disagree there either
21:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: getting rid of surrenderers, panickeers, etc is god'swork. this being said, i'd still prefer 24 strong partizans in band to 12, and 30 better even.
21:52 asciilifeform ( beyond 30, prolly pushing it )
21:53 asciilifeform but 'if wishes were horses' etc
22:01 asciilifeform and must note, we have quite minimal spare people , for when we begin to be killed.
22:03 asciilifeform ( perhaps mircea_popescu can breed in his tanks a new set, if this becomes problem!1)
22:06 asciilifeform i didn't shed any tears for pete_dushenski, he did 0 but to pass gas . Framedragger's defection did cost a yr of keyhunt, tho, arguably
22:06 asciilifeform aint much , but still a chore that there were no free hands to do until recently ( thx mats! for doing it )
22:10 asciilifeform << thread was re ordinary analogue voice radio, such that can be heard on konsoomer set. but even there, solvable, if nobody answers the riddle, i'll eventually say how
22:10 a111 Logged on 2018-08-17 01:36 mircea_popescu: << it's not easy to maintain phase in the absolute ; but it's radio, with error correction you can get out of the jam
22:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform im not even sure i prefer 24 partizans to 12. the costs mount exponentially with size.
22:11 mircea_popescu if you add the SAME quality elements, you actually end up at a size past which the cost of addition exceeds the value of it.
22:11 mircea_popescu if you add better elements, you're well advise to purge.
22:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform also, what you call "chore" is mislabeled. my whips spend most of the day hanging. when they do work, the work they do, named "pain", is properly speaking education.
22:12 mircea_popescu the chores we have are ~beneficial~ for the noob. HE gains by them. they're chores in the sense "eating is chore"
22:12 a111 Logged on 2014-02-16 22:04 asciilifeform: old man: 'drown him, father, drown, drown.'
22:13 asciilifeform nao asciilifeform is not partizan commander, mircea_popescu is better equipped to say why 12 and not 6 and not 24. all i can go from is history. 12 is thin.
22:13 mircea_popescu depends altogether what you're doing.
22:13 asciilifeform verily
22:15 mircea_popescu anyway. the world's salvation is work for the world's own hands. i feel no obligation towards it ; i feel an obligation towards my having a good time and that's all. if the world's ready to work i'll show it how and if it's not ready to work i'll just talk to my girls. the only thing with something to lose in the republic-world binome is the world.
22:16 asciilifeform i'd suspect sumthing is off if mircea_popescu had answered differently, lol
22:16 mircea_popescu in which spirit, the teflon-coatable noobs absolutely should be coated. fucking dipped in bronze, why not.
22:24 asciilifeform i dun disagree with mircea_popescu re subj ( with the perhaps obv diff that i dun have, outside of tmsr, cocaineyacht to retreat into, only the proverbial bottle )
22:24 asciilifeform so i dun have any retreatin' planned.
~ 21 minutes ~
22:46 mircea_popescu well... honestly the bottle a lot less sinkable than the yacht.
22:47 mircea_popescu anyway, this whole "from the perspective of moronworld" discussion is such nonsense. who the fuck ever cared, seriously now.
22:57 asciilifeform fungi dun have perspective, lel
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