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00:00 asciilifeform i'm still not convinced that there's been any net leakage of 'turkey dollar.'
00:03 BingoBoingo Just wait till the real DAOist posts pics of all their turkeys
00:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that goes without saying, for you.
00:13 asciilifeform lolk
00:14 asciilifeform this is rather like, e.g., rutherford's observation that electron doesn't fall out of its orbit by radiating away energy, and hence is not analogous to orbiting moon.
00:14 mircea_popescu well no but it's part of the asciilifeform apodicticology, "nothing that ever happens could disrupt usg".
00:14 asciilifeform something is missing in the model.
00:15 asciilifeform if usg were bleeding turkey dollars, the successive iterations of altpump would lose vigour.
00:15 mircea_popescu how's that follow ?
00:15 asciilifeform alternatively it isn't a closed system
00:15 mircea_popescu no, on the contrary, the more it bleeds the more vigorous it gets.
00:15 asciilifeform and is powered by elsewhere.
00:15 mircea_popescu fish similarly, the better it's hooked, the more it struggles.
00:15 asciilifeform possibly.
00:15 mircea_popescu and not "closed system", uses own kidney fat.
00:16 mircea_popescu which is an externality.
00:16 mircea_popescu the immense piled wealth 1850-1950 keeps on unwinding.
00:16 asciilifeform i predicted, for instance, that there would be a usgtronic alt backed by actual fiatola. which hasn't happened yet.
00:16 asciilifeform possibly - next cycle..?
00:16 mircea_popescu takes a shitload of stupid to get a world power into african level. took the russians what, a half century to unwind the last four tsars (stalin being the 4th)
00:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nobody cares enough about fiat. all backing will be through bitcoin, because bitcoin has monopoly on currency now.
00:17 mircea_popescu they lost that war, years ago. it's on trilema actually.
00:17 asciilifeform well how the hell do you back a scamcoin with actual bitcoin
00:17 mircea_popescu ikr?
00:17 asciilifeform can only work with at least mildly broken bitcoin, e.g., the timelock thing
00:18 mircea_popescu can "work" the same way everything else they do "works".
00:18 asciilifeform ( as per )
00:18 a111 Logged on 2014-11-13 19:06 asciilifeform: bip64, aside from complicating the protocol and giving relevance to the gavin shitgang, is also a jam-tomorrow chumpatronic engineering structural element
00:18 mircea_popescu for as long as willing to pretend, works fine.
00:18 asciilifeform pretendjuice is finite resource
00:18 mircea_popescu not so.
00:19 mircea_popescu pretendjuice is the least finite of all resources. even today, after all the men are dead and all the women long raped into usefullness, the hittite empire pretend still lives, unsung and alone.
00:19 mircea_popescu in a language not even understood, under many layers of dirt, the capital of name unknown never fell.
00:19 asciilifeform for instance, i recently went, in usa no less, to an airport, and was shown into an actual airplane which actually burned some actual petro and actually flew. whereas if pretendjuice were not a finite resource, i would probably have been sat down in a cardboard box and 'zoom, zoom'
00:20 asciilifeform but this would not leave sufficient juice left over for pretending other pretenses
00:20 mircea_popescu there is that. but the clockwork of pretense doesn't actually prevent the general point.
00:20 mircea_popescu you ARE given a paper which "shows" you "own" house. right ?
00:20 asciilifeform this is possible because the scarce juice is saved for it.
00:20 asciilifeform and not otherwise.
00:21 asciilifeform (it is not scarce in the sense that there is little of it, but in the sense where it is strictly finite and conserved)
00:21 mircea_popescu i don't think it's a matter of scarcity necessarily. that the sea flows through fjords does not mean the sea is finite.
00:21 mircea_popescu no, just, respects the shape of larger items.
00:22 asciilifeform looking at the religions of the past (the selfsame inca empire, my recent kick) i've come to suspect that the overall 'belief load' typical human can carry is roughly constant
00:22 asciilifeform across various times/places
00:22 mircea_popescu this may be a valid theory.
00:22 asciilifeform just like the weight of knapsack a healthy young bloke can march with is roughly same today as in rome
00:22 mircea_popescu how do you scalar the belief load tho ?
00:23 asciilifeform this camel you only know when it's back breaks.
00:23 asciilifeform *its
00:23 mircea_popescu incidentally : no camel back ever breaks. the animal won't stand if it ~thinks~ it's overloaded.
00:24 asciilifeform if camel had only slightly more forebrain, and were more like man, it could break.
00:24 asciilifeform could convince itself to try to carry the overload.
00:24 mircea_popescu there's some dispersion re this property in nature. some animals will eat themselves sick. some won't.
00:24 mircea_popescu doesn't exactly relate to brain.
00:25 mircea_popescu (horse won't, pig will, cow won't, rabbit will, etc)
00:25 asciilifeform depends, roughly, on the scarcity of food they coevolved with.
00:26 mircea_popescu more like variation i think. rabbits, pigs, all have this boom feeding thing.
00:26 mircea_popescu "now is the time to eat"
00:26 asciilifeform that would make sense.
00:29 asciilifeform but, to revisit mircea_popescu's earlier observation, the pretense does have to respect the shape of the larger item.
00:29 mircea_popescu anyway, if you're doing palace economy studies, the inca are a dubious, mostly backward in fact and hallucinated in theory and description example. meanwhile, the late bronze age anatolia, levant and golden crescent are much better studied, understood and documented.
00:29 asciilifeform minoans, iirc.
00:30 mircea_popescu they were ~all palace economies, they were all wiped in the ~same half century cca 1300 bc, as the iron age begun
00:30 mircea_popescu not just. hittites, minoans, egyptians, you name it. all fell the weight of the greek-ish "people of the sea"
00:31 asciilifeform same re the inca, simply the iron age 'began' late for them, had to sail across the pond.
00:33 mircea_popescu pylos, mycene, knossos, troy, hattusa, tarsus, ugarith, qadesh, byblos, there's many dozens more, all towns that were major centers [of palace economy] and were never heard from again.
00:33 mircea_popescu in fact, the classics agree, if mostly tacitly, that the loss was indeed greater, culturally, than the end of the roman empire.
00:33 mircea_popescu pretty much all the "ancient towns" that did make it, memphis to tyre and sardis etc were rebuilt after being sacked at that time as well.
00:34 mircea_popescu (and to niniveh, assur, babylon in the east)
00:35 mircea_popescu but the important point is that the highly centralized, redistributive socialism of the 1300s gave way to a very independent, village-centered economy of the early iron age.
00:37 asciilifeform pet sayeth: 'possibly archaeologists in many cases found mondo palace and concluded - 'palace economy', centralized'
00:38 mircea_popescu (its evolution in turn based on a very simple notion, directly accessible to the very simple minds then roaming the earth - as quarry taken is to be distributed by the hunt boss, so everything is a quarry and so everything is to be split up. this works for non-pastoral societies quite well, but when it runs into the better organised, smarter and generally more effectual shepherds and riders they get raped.)
00:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's not the whole story, but yes, "pharaoh" means great house, for one thing, and it's not practical given the resources of the time to build a great house in any other system.
00:38 asciilifeform 'convinced re the minoans given as we have writing, less so re others'
00:39 mircea_popescu (memorably, a pharaoh of the period speaks of the HORROR of the SEVEN!!111!! ships that came and ravaged his lands. imagine - seven's enough, not even a thousand warriors' worth.)
00:39 mircea_popescu asciilifeform we have plenty of egyptian writings, yes. also cuneiforms variously, and aramaic mention.
00:39 asciilifeform the '7' could be a '1, 2, 3, many' item.
00:40 mircea_popescu could, but likely is not.
00:40 asciilifeform or 7 fleets, etc.
00:40 mircea_popescu lemme see if i can find it.
00:43 mircea_popescu a here we go!
00:44 mircea_popescu
00:44 asciilifeform lol, 'you have reached the limit for viewing!'
00:44 asciilifeform ALL PAGES
00:44 asciilifeform motherfuckers.
00:44 mircea_popescu tsk,
00:50 mircea_popescu anyway, the situation at the time is very much reminiscent of the current usg palace economy. one warrior is more than a match for many thousand "upstanding citizens". if seven ships worth 1k people sporting kalash with infinte ammo landed on us west coast, which consisted of "start-up culture" only, the result would be very much what happened at the end of the bronze age, or for that matter at the end of the aztec empire.
00:50 mircea_popescu cortes burned the whole thing with what, five hundred men ?
00:50 mircea_popescu shit, i could DEFINITELY burn down the ~10mn strong buenos aires with a thousand people, that were actual people ie, the sort one'd run into back in the yugoslav war days.
00:52 asciilifeform and mircea_popescu could probably kill WHOLE HERD of cows with pocket knife. and then what.
00:53 mircea_popescu and then rape the daughters and tie them seven to a pole and so on. what.
00:53 asciilifeform 'ecologically dirty'
00:53 asciilifeform gotta make moar somehow.
00:53 mircea_popescu the point being - that not only is the palace economy drone incapable of living as an effectual human being. it is much more importantly UNWILLING TO BECOME ONE. which is the main point.
00:54 mircea_popescu which is why and wherefore the wot will spread at the point of the sword and no other way.
00:54 asciilifeform eh, grown people don't 'become' anything.
00:54 asciilifeform they can change coats, that's pretty much it
00:54 mircea_popescu intelligent people become anything they wish, which is incidentally the only definition of intelligence worth the mention. if not "social sciences" useful.
00:56 asciilifeform this is so, if your 'tallest tower' is doghouse height.
00:56 mircea_popescu not in the slightest. one doesn't follow from the other.
00:56 mircea_popescu fwiw, i wasn't BORN a bitcoin-whatever.
00:57 asciilifeform no pro go player worth the mention was anything other than playing full time from age 7 or so.
00:57 asciilifeform and ditto for 1,001 items.
00:57 mircea_popescu go isn't worth the mention.
00:57 asciilifeform so doghouse.
00:57 mircea_popescu not so doghouse. so "no stupid shit" house.
00:57 asciilifeform no culture.
00:57 mircea_popescu no palatial-style masturbation pretending to be culture.
00:57 mircea_popescu plenty of culture, of the genuine kind.
00:58 asciilifeform when you throw out the 'pretense', what's left? scythians on horseback, 'first ya pillage, then ya burn!1111' yarrrrrrrr
00:58 mircea_popescu point in case : there isn't a 1% as much bitcoin-culture in all the, usg.whartever sponsored "teams" and "think tanks" and etc of what's here.
00:59 mircea_popescu what now ? your doghouse theory just died, turns out the doghouse's the other way.
00:59 asciilifeform mno.
00:59 mircea_popescu orly ?
00:59 mircea_popescu how about computing ? the whole century's worth of palace cs yielded... 500 boatloads of "culture" and nothring right, proper or even usable.
00:59 asciilifeform all of the components of everything we're now doing, from the basic maths to the semiconductor, are product of what mircea_popescu derides as 'palace wankery'
00:59 mircea_popescu the ~only thing the palace does is lie.
00:59 asciilifeform heaviside, for instance, was certainly no scythian.
01:00 asciilifeform nor maxwell (though he could ride a mean ride)
01:00 mircea_popescu it lies convincingly for some, but this happenstance doesn't speak in favour of their intelligence.
01:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not product in any sense. everything we use is the accidental byproduct of what the palace would have wanted to but didn't manage to "bring under control".
01:00 mircea_popescu we're standing on the shoulders of unreasonable and naught else.
01:00 mircea_popescu "why won't you be reasonable, mr X!" "because i'd like to do something!"
01:00 asciilifeform intersection of palace and scythian.
01:01 mircea_popescu not so at all. disjunction of palace.
01:01 mircea_popescu "everything but the palace".
01:01 asciilifeform the folks who never ended up with palace - e.g., pashtuns - sum to 0.
01:01 mircea_popescu this is a very scarlet herring.
01:01 mircea_popescu incas also sum to 0.
01:01 asciilifeform seems like you need the sinkhole.
01:01 mircea_popescu does not seem that way, no.
01:02 mircea_popescu you can produce examples of subhuman populations. be they there or here or anywhere, they're still subhuman, and sum to 0.
01:02 asciilifeform where are the wholly unpalaced who sum to >0 ?
01:03 mircea_popescu you'll have to define your terms. how about, the cussacks ? the danubian pastoral communities ? the northern carpathians woodworking culture ? what do you wish to see ?
01:03 asciilifeform maxwell's equations.
01:04 asciilifeform or, failing that, some element of 'what differentiates us from the monkeys'
01:04 asciilifeform (maxwell's a good proxy as any for this)
01:04 mircea_popescu the reason you can't see it there has to do with the definitions rather than with the fact of the matter.
01:04 mircea_popescu i for instance count philosophy as such "differentiates" us. you apparently only count a narrow definition of math-engineering ?
01:04 asciilifeform i deliberately picked easy case.
01:05 mircea_popescu it only appeared in one place, thus therefore if you claim that one place was "palatial", then boom, and if you claim it isn't, then equally boom.
01:05 asciilifeform for clarity.
01:05 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the fact still remains you picked something that only ever appeared in one place.
01:05 mircea_popescu this moves the discussion to a debate as to the true substance of that place.
01:05 asciilifeform can pick different example, also interesting:
01:05 asciilifeform jp shinto temples apparently had peculiar quasimathematical ritual
01:06 asciilifeform where, at one point, they pretty much derived elementary differential calculus.
01:06 mircea_popescu re "towers of hanoi" ? "early blockchain! by priest hand!"
01:06 asciilifeform however it was done as part of pointless 'glass bead game' and summed to 0.
01:06 asciilifeform aha.
01:06 asciilifeform (partly on account of their complicated 'isolate these folks from all reality', partly because they did not simultaneously pursue artillery...)
01:07 mircea_popescu anyway. you'll have A LOT of trouble proving 1800s england was a "palatial economy". tax was ~inexistent at the time.
01:07 asciilifeform cambridge was a quite centralized thing.
01:07 mircea_popescu not so. it was on the contrary, quite autonomous thing.
01:07 asciilifeform in the sense that it was full of a buncha blokes who didn't sow or reap.
01:07 mircea_popescu no king ever told them who to elect, for instance.
01:07 mircea_popescu that's not a criteria. you don't sow either.
01:07 asciilifeform aha!
01:08 asciilifeform nor have i been lately a-piratin', yarrr
01:08 mircea_popescu in any case : a marginally acceptable definition of "palace economy" is : tax over 50% of gdp. by this rule the usg, eu etc qualify. nothing else in the world does.
01:08 mircea_popescu inca does qualify. nothing in europe pre napoleon does, nor does england crown pre ww1.
01:08 mircea_popescu china qualifies about half the time, in spurts.
01:09 mircea_popescu almost all subhuman congregations of the mongoloids in the pacific islands qualify throughout. and the similarly subhuman aztecs qualify. and most of the north american tribes.
01:09 mircea_popescu fortunately, all this shit was buried.
01:09 asciilifeform i suppose this is sorta like BingoBoingo's 'morbid obesity' - 49+% still 'obeast' but has not tipped the scale, no
01:09 asciilifeform but ~same.
01:09 mircea_popescu there's no 49% discussed here.
01:10 asciilifeform aha, the space isn't flat
01:10 mircea_popescu there's quite an uncanny valley between the 60-80%ish of the "civilised world" and the 5-15% of the rest.
01:10 mircea_popescu there's nothing in between.
01:10 asciilifeform which is interesting.
01:10 mircea_popescu well, also natural. like any celestial body's interdicion area.
01:10 asciilifeform i for one would like to know the curvature of the space.
01:10 mircea_popescu you can have space dust. but NOT in this band around a planet.
01:11 asciilifeform aha, quite like that.
01:11 mircea_popescu so, if it goes over ~20%ish, it crosses event horizon, and rapidly collapses in 60-80%.
01:11 mircea_popescu rarely, a 60-80% thing (soviets) will crack up and re-become 5-15%.
01:11 mircea_popescu which sometimes drifts back to >20 and re-collapses
01:12 mircea_popescu russia seems to be going that way, re putin's out of ideas convo.
01:12 asciilifeform 'best known fact re empires is that they pop
01:12 asciilifeform '
01:13 mircea_popescu this is not so universal. some places/people can't live as independent human beings.
01:13 asciilifeform so they die
01:13 mircea_popescu hopefully.
01:13 mircea_popescu sometimes they shamble on, like teh chinese for instance. i suspect the us is headed that way also.
01:14 asciilifeform there are still, iirc, even, a few eskimos.
01:14 asciilifeform (none, note, 'independent', then or now)
01:14 mircea_popescu like 10
01:14 asciilifeform sumthinglikethat
01:15 mircea_popescu anyway, the insidiousness of christianity, as a jewish sect, is the whole "must take care of the poor" thing.
01:16 mircea_popescu it tends to raise taxes slowly, until in a century or a millenium they reach the 20%ish threshold and then the whole thing's fucked.
01:16 asciilifeform initially it looks like a good deal because cheaper than watching your back
01:16 asciilifeform (or at least 'feels' cheaper, like eric naggum's 'fast bathtub')
01:16 mircea_popescu which is why stuff like is so very important.
01:16 mircea_popescu denying the crap is, at least to my eyes, just as important if not more important than bitcoining.
01:17 asciilifeform interestingly the only wholly alternate ~stable~ solution to same puzzle i know of is... the castes of india
01:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the point isn't that one wants the poor to necessarily starve. the point however is that charity may not be centralised.
01:17 mircea_popescu anything else is acceptable, raping infants, eating your wife, whatever the fuck. but DO NOT centralize charity.
01:18 mircea_popescu in fact, if the poor complain that charity as-is is insufficient, you're a thousand times better off simply burning them all down than trying to "optimize" it.
01:18 asciilifeform this is tricky to get wholly right; consider, the english had ~decentralized charity, but it was plugged into a quite centralized church.
01:19 asciilifeform and ended up... where it ended up.
01:19 mircea_popescu i suppose the one point easily missed is that ~the one in need~ is no arbiter of the type, degree and kind of his need! the one GIVING is the sole fucking arbiter as to what the needy needs, when and how much of it.
01:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't think the english had at any point decentralized charity.
01:19 mircea_popescu nor did any christian sect, not ever.
01:19 mircea_popescu the jews possibly did, but only under pressure from russian crown.
01:20 mircea_popescu much like the dope dealing black people in ghetto do today.
01:20 asciilifeform waiwut
01:20 asciilifeform these are all plugged into the usg mains
01:20 asciilifeform usually - directly
01:20 asciilifeform (as per tlp's piece)
01:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i perhaps confusingly, meant their own subjective thing, did not mean the bulk of it.
01:20 asciilifeform ah hm
01:20 mircea_popescu ie, when a black person gives something to another black person.
01:21 mircea_popescu obviously they all live on walmartola.
01:21 asciilifeform you will find that most folks distribute their walmartola quite equitably, from their own pov
01:21 mircea_popescu but in that laboratory setting, they still live as humans, and display human behaviours, such as charity.
01:21 asciilifeform like the hunt party.
01:21 asciilifeform or how sov workmen readily 'worked out a bottle for three'
01:22 mircea_popescu except, they charitize correcly : the giver as the sole arbiter of the degree, kind and type of want.
01:24 asciilifeform normally we mention the christians as a socialist rot, but there was also the component of caste / 'dielectric insulator'
01:24 asciilifeform as in the infamous church of england hymn,
01:24 mircea_popescu do tell ?
01:24 mircea_popescu sigh, ima have to read the fucking telegraph to try and guess wha you mean ?
01:24 asciilifeform The rich man in his castle,
01:24 asciilifeform The poor man at his gate,
01:24 asciilifeform He made them, high or lowly,
01:24 asciilifeform And ordered their estate.
01:25 asciilifeform ^ snipped that was Officially Proscribed in the modern liturgy
01:25 mircea_popescu why'd be insulation good ?
01:25 asciilifeform so they won't arc.
01:25 mircea_popescu but explain this. in like words.
01:25 asciilifeform (i.e. jacquerie)
01:25 mircea_popescu such a chinese thinker. all he wants to do is spit out a pictogram.
01:25 asciilifeform lel
01:31 mircea_popescu in somewhat other lulz,
01:31 mircea_popescu (burbuja means bubble in teh construction worker / hotel maid language)
01:31 asciilifeform i recall the burbuja distinctly.
01:32 asciilifeform as in mircea_popescu's stomach illness bout
01:32 mircea_popescu hehe
01:32 asciilifeform i for some reason inevitably recall the infamous ru army joke re the бурбулятор
01:33 asciilifeform ( a word which has since, in 2000s, come to refer to what americans call 'bong', but was originally without a specific meaning )
01:33 mircea_popescu perhaps also of interest,
01:34 asciilifeform went like this:
01:34 asciilifeform soldier punched hole in a bucket, with nail, and said to sergeant: 'look, my brilliant invention: the burbulator. see, i pour in water, it burbles.'
01:35 asciilifeform sergeant: 'motherfucker. you ruined a bucket. throw it into the skip and go clean latrine for the rest of the month.'
01:35 asciilifeform the next morning, commander tours the base, says to sergeant: 'everything seems ok, but what is this nonsense, they showed me the scrapyard and your men threw out a perfectly fine burbulator!!!'
01:35 mircea_popescu lo
01:36 asciilifeform it is quite impossible imho not to think of this.
01:36 asciilifeform when burbuja.
01:36 mircea_popescu the problem is, other soldier went "see, sargent prevents torque experiments".
01:37 asciilifeform naturally.
01:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lulzy re 'quantum computer miner drained mtgox'
01:39 asciilifeform what other burbulations quietly fester in orcish heads, i wonder.
01:39 mircea_popescu and in other social media news,
01:42 * asciilifeform bbl
01:43 mircea_popescu and in other lulz, << check out the churchly shit! "no discrimination" etc.
~ 1 hours 19 minutes ~
03:03 BingoBoingo Great Inca in the wild
03:09 BingoBoingo And Trump makes he other news
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04:03 deedbot [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Rashi and the Big Data time machine. -
04:17 deedbot [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Bernie’s bang-on: North America’s a shithole and F1 drivers are pussies. -
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08:08 mircea_popescu <<< wow, suddenly i'm converted to BingoBoingo 's views, bernie ftw!
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09:14 mircea_popescu remarkably, one of the better summaries of the etherape comes from... greek!
09:15 mircea_popescu people on the outskirts naively care, i guess is the explanation.
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09:39 danielpbarron ;; later tell nubbins` 5c6c63613b0284340d4de49801107afd6cb0f77be925323ce649fce620fbd0d5 and 19dRVts7U1NaiTT69xWtvwXsSJ2yxFxw4M
09:39 gribble The operation succeeded.
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10:09 mircea_popescu "I bet if you went to a client and presented a 200 kilobyte site template, you’d be fired. Even if it looked great and somehow included all the tracking and ads and social media crap they insisted on putting in. It’s just so far out of the realm of the imaginable at this point. " <<->> curl '' --silent --write-out 'size_download=%{size_download}\n' --output /dev/null
10:09 mircea_popescu size_download=31702
10:09 mircea_popescu i guess it's fortunate i'm not a client.
10:10 mircea_popescu $up iobug
10:10 deedbot iobug voiced for 30 minutes.
10:22 mircea_popescu << incidentally, i REALLY like this website. guy starts copacetic enough but actually takes things far enough. yes, ban any third party service, ads or anything else. website may not load any foreign elements, at all, just like it can't xss.
10:23 mircea_popescu yes "smart" ads etc are not smart nor useful nor productive. yes the whole "online marketing" "community" absolutely must be taken to concentration camp for a month, beaten daily, then sent to cut salt and carry tank barrels.
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10:58 asciilifeform a good ad is a dead ad.
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11:14 phf i briefly worked for an ad company, was hired to do realtime ad bidding. google and few other companies send you a request. "such and such ad space available, starting bid is this many cents, you have 500ms to formulate a response, how much you want to pay and ad url, we let you know if won." request comes with a tracking id, so by sitting on the pipe long enough and placing losing bids you were supposedly able to both build up user profiles and g
11:14 phf et better idea of ad market, until blah blah
11:20 phf thing is the owner was a micromanaging psychopath, so the project lead, who was trying to build a "rockstart" team and build a "kickass" product, ended up working there long enough to lay the foundation, before burning out, losing his shit, devorcing his wife, etc. but the project was a complete failure, that never the less provided a legitimate front for the company's real operations. they usual array of porn banners, dirty affiliate marketing, f
11:20 phf acebook skins, etc.
11:21 phf so when ad people talk about "smart" ads and shit like that i'm usually trying to imagine what their actual stream of income is.
11:22 phf i mean i'm pretty sure the ad bid system generated at least a handful of public talks at conferences, etc, which i'm sure painted the ad company in most positive of lights.
~ 18 minutes ~
11:40 mircea_popescu phf the only problem here is that the ~6-800mn mouthbreather population contains a good 20 to maybe 50mn of these hard working, intelligent, dedicated folks. 99.???% of which get burned out by some idiot "boss" working within the imbecile ideological framework they got going there.
11:41 mircea_popescu this is the true engine of change, too much fucking wastage omfg.
11:51 deedbot [Qntra] California City Burns Through 3 Police Chiefs In 8 Days -
11:51 mircea_popescu lol. sherrifs neh ?
11:52 BingoBoingo Nah, "cities" have police chiefs. Counties have Sheriffs.
11:53 BingoBoingo Although some sheriffs departments have police cheifs too when the sheriff is a figurehead that doesn't run their department.
11:53 BingoBoingo And Louisiana has Parishes isntead of counties so fuck them.
12:08 mircea_popescu yeah but it's like... 1880s style california.
12:08 mircea_popescu they shopt teh sheriff
12:13 Bugpowder Behold!
12:14 Bugpowder Accomplished the technical misson for the day, time to clean the BBQ grill.
12:16 mircea_popescu wd.
12:18 BingoBoingo lol
12:19 BingoBoingo congrats Bugpowder
12:19 Bugpowder tyty
12:21 Bugpowder Next up mpex.
~ 23 minutes ~
12:44 BingoBoingo lol
~ 21 minutes ~
13:06 shinohai qntra incoming BingoBoingo
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13:23 shinohai ;;later tell BingoBoingo
13:23 gribble The operation succeeded.
~ 35 minutes ~
13:58 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 627 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Paul Tagliamonte <>; Paul Tagliamonte <>; Paul Tagliamonte <>; Paul Tagliamonte <>; Paul Tagliamonte <>; Paul Tagliamonte <>; Paul Tagliamonte <>; Paul Tagliamonte <>; Paul Tagliamonte <>; Paul Tagliamonte <>; Paul Tag
~ 2 hours 20 minutes ~
16:19 mircea_popescu $up r00s
16:19 deedbot r00s voiced for 30 minutes.
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16:57 pete_dushenski <-- actually already covered on contravex before logs -->
16:57 a111 Logged on 2016-06-15 15:08 asciilifeform: 'On Friday, Secretary Penny Pritzker of the US Department of Commerce joined special assistant to the president for economic policy Adrienne Harris and other top White House officials for an event featuring a lecture from Brian Forde, director of digital currency initiative a the MIT Media Lab, and multiple panels on financial technology more generally speaking. Hosted at the Eisenhower Executive Office Build
16:58 pete_dushenski weird that phf's logs differentiate between capitlised words and uncapitalised words. dunno if it's possible to bridge these two islands, but it'd be much appreciated.
16:59 pete_dushenski << cheers :D
16:59 a111 Logged on 2016-06-16 16:08 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski nice job adding references.
17:02 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski iirc if quoted it matches strictly and if not quoted it matches loosely.
17:02 pete_dushenski o hey no one died in an open-cockpit racer this morning in baku. who would've predicted that raising a generation of drivers who've known neither injury nor death, no matter the speeds and stupidity of their crashes, would lead to a buncha fuckin pussies the likes of which are suitable only for perfume advertisements
17:04 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: tip o' the cap for pumping vitalik's eyes shut yesterday. made for an enjoyable saturday of log reading and trilema comment following
17:04 mircea_popescu apparently there's a LOT of hate for usg/mit/vit-alik butt-erin/doa/etc out there.
17:05 pete_dushenski and that bottle's never been easier to uncork
17:05 mircea_popescu btw, why did the ethereum people misspell "dead on arrival" as "dao" anyway. too much ritalin ?
17:06 pete_dushenski or dexedrine
17:07 pete_dushenski 'dead as obama' may also have been the tongue-in-cheek reference
17:07 mircea_popescu lol
17:08 pete_dushenski the h8 is everywhere. fuck even the shiny glowing untouchable uncriticisable aapl is getting flamed... from their own fanbois no less.
17:09 mircea_popescu end times sorta mob behaviour.
17:09 pete_dushenski i was trying to figure out how to shut off the ios update notifications and stumbled onto 'osxdaily' and couldn't fucking believe my eyes. cook from central casting has absolutely spent every last penny of steve's good will
17:09 pete_dushenski comparisons to msft abounded.
17:10 pete_dushenski rightly so, obv. but if the mouth-breathers are 'getting it', then ya... end of times eh.
17:12 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski so did any girlies wet their panties over your poetry reading ?
17:12 pete_dushenski turns out that ios will also auto-download the update as soon as you connect to wifi (it's a 200+ mb file) and harass you 2-5 PER DAY until you submit to installing it.
17:12 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: stop the clocks reading ?
17:13 pete_dushenski ios update file can be beleeted, but will still insta-respawn when connected to wifi.
17:13 mircea_popescu yea
17:13 pete_dushenski i'd like to think so.
17:13 mircea_popescu win.
17:14 pete_dushenski though i found out that the 5k of ruskie 'views' i sent to that video for shits and giggles... unhappened. they lasted for at least 3-4 months though.
17:15 mircea_popescu how's that work ?
17:15 pete_dushenski ask yt i guess.
17:16 mircea_popescu no but what are you saying ?
17:17 pete_dushenski i paid fiverr guy to 'view' a yt clip 5k times. results were delivered. several months later, yt removed those paid for 'views'. like ethereum 'rollback' i guess.
17:18 mircea_popescu oh
17:18 mircea_popescu what, like 5 bux for vanity sorta thing
17:19 pete_dushenski this was when i was dipping my toes in 'tmsr pr' idea. basically just wanted to see if fiverr paid views worked, and if so, where they were coming from. turns out that the answers were "yes", "from russia", and "but only temporarily"
17:20 mircea_popescu meanwhile in the special room,;all
17:20 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski makes sense.
17:23 pete_dushenski << already covered ? from 8 hrs ago.
17:23 pete_dushenski peanuts, but still.
17:24 mircea_popescu aww
17:26 pete_dushenski wow, catching up on latest batch of trilema etherpocalypse comments... the spammers and welfarists are out in full force.
17:26 mircea_popescu chasing that spotlight.
17:26 Framedragger << the author runs and lives off of his small no-bullshit bookmarking and archiving (bookmark/tag sites/PDFs, be able to full-text search later etc) business which has this exotic (to SV crowd anyway) business model called "users pay for the service and the service delivers". i like the guy
17:26 a111 Logged on 2016-06-19 14:22 mircea_popescu: << incidentally, i REALLY like this website. guy starts copacetic enough but actually takes things far enough. yes, ban any third party service, ads or anything else. website may not load any foreign elements, at all, just like it can't xss.
17:26 pete_dushenski but how did greek blog get through pingback filter and contravex hasn't in, what, 1.5yr+ ?
17:26 mircea_popescu Framedragger invite him over!
17:27 Framedragger might as well, will see if i can / he responds :)
17:27 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski i actually publish pingbacks, i dun think they make it over for some reason.
17:27 mircea_popescu what ip you send them from ?
17:27 pete_dushenski
17:27 mircea_popescu (if it's not === blog ip they fail, due to the "ddos" thing)
17:28 mircea_popescu No results found.
17:28 pete_dushenski strange.
17:28 mircea_popescu i dun really think it's any sort of filter on trilema side. they might not actually make it across at all.
17:32 thestringpuller So, they are trying to prop Ethereum. When the real crash the Too Big to Fail bailout...
17:33 shinohai christ mircea_popescu at the wave of shitcoin beggars in those trilema comments.
17:33 mircea_popescu hey, they wouldn't let go of mtgox until a year+ later and millions more were lost.
17:33 mircea_popescu a fool and zir money.
17:34 shinohai "I lost my leg in a car accident, collecting some BTC for prosthesis i really want to function normally.
17:34 shinohai Sorry, but I'm tired of sitting at home, I dream to go for a walk."
17:37 mircea_popescu answered him, for great justic.
17:39 shinohai molto bene
17:51 mircea_popescu << is this good for bitcoin ?
17:52 pete_dushenski is that like the black widow ?
17:52 Framedragger asciilifeform: i've accidentally (== i fucked up) imported one mutilated key to phuctor. this key in particular - guess it can't hurt if it's there, but if/when phuctor reports broken key (that particular exponent is not prime), it's gonna be due to me being retarded and not the key..
17:55 Framedragger << ctrl+s to pic collection
17:55 a111 Logged on 2016-06-19 21:51 mircea_popescu: << is this good for bitcoin ?
17:59 mircea_popescu pity no one recalls shtylman anymore.
18:00 mircea_popescu his 2012-stylish cap looked much better than butt-erin's misshod skull.
18:00 mircea_popescu $s bitfloor
18:00 a111 14 results for "bitfloor",
18:13 thestringpuller bitdaytrade
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18:37 mircea_popescu $up fwr
18:37 deedbot fwr voiced for 30 minutes.
18:38 Framedragger heh: (*obviously* it starts with a full screen advertisement first) -
18:39 mircea_popescu that guy is epic. "we both have the same number of employees : 0.5"
18:46 fwr help me to understand this, MPEx has been sold for 250k BTC, but the website itself is down?
18:47 mircea_popescu it's not down, no.
18:47 mircea_popescu and iirc it was a little bit more than 250k.
18:48 fwr says in the blog post that it's just below that
18:49 fwr I find this incredibly hard to believe that there is this sort of money involved
18:50 mircea_popescu and why would that matter ?
18:52 mircea_popescu ah you meant going private. yeah, 249k and change something.
18:54 mats its the css
18:54 mats if mpex had rounded rectangles fwr wouldn't have given it a second thought
18:55 mircea_popescu it also wouldn't have been worth 100 btc.
18:55 mircea_popescu but i guess power is relatively unimportant, fetish of power is interesting!
19:03 mats maybe its the social proof
19:03 mats what if he had read about it on instagram?
19:03 mats nobody lies in articles on forbes
19:05 mats just having some fun at your expense, fwr.
19:10 mircea_popescu in fairness, the whole mpex/tmsr/etc thing is ~equivalent to a ten ton hammer of pure cognitive dissonance for man on clapham omnibus.
19:15 Framedragger what's the latest mpex url? does seem to be down, fwiw
19:15 thestringpuller is good
19:16 mircea_popescu well there's a bit of a dns storm, but use old ips
19:16 thestringpuller guess no point in using dns if you have the proxy ips
19:17 Framedragger a yea it's dns related, not just "down". curious
19:17 thestringpuller it's causing coinbr problems tho
19:17 thestringpuller jurov: ^^^
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19:35 jurov xoinbr does use ips
19:36 jurov *coinbr
19:36 jurov but they are dying, too
19:38 mircea_popescu $up fwr
19:38 deedbot fwr voiced for 30 minutes.
19:43 shinohai
19:44 shinohai ^weird
19:45 jurov shinohai what's that?
19:46 shinohai that's what dns lookup for coinbr returns for me
19:46 mircea_popescu common for aws hosted sites i think
19:46 jurov yep it is using aws' loadbalancer
19:47 shinohai oh their version of crapflare or sumthin
19:47 mircea_popescu fact is, there's no practical way to run plain web servers in 2016.
19:49 jurov's actually quite different from crapflare
19:50 jurov mostly that a bit sophisticated attacker could cause bills for coinbr to skyrocket easily
19:50 jurov which threat has never actually materialized in past 4 years
19:50 jurov go figure
19:51 mircea_popescu there's worse fates.
19:54 jurov i'm missing out on all the conspiracies and fun!!!
19:58 jurov burned raids!
19:58 jurov no mysterious reboots!!!
19:58 jurov coinbr is a failure
19:59 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1606279610030410747135438525 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <>; ' -
20:02 Framedragger ^ yeah that'd be it:
20:02 a111 Logged on 2016-06-19 21:52 Framedragger: asciilifeform: i've accidentally (== i fucked up) imported one mutilated key to phuctor. this key in particular - guess it can't hurt if it's there, but if/when phuctor reports broken key (that particular exponent is not prime), it's gonna be due to me being retarded and not the key..
20:02 jurov you meant modulus not prime?
20:03 jurov openssh uses exponent like 35 left and right
20:03 mircea_popescu ohohohoh!
20:03 mircea_popescu Framedragger win.
20:03 mircea_popescu oh. i thought sha ball was going in
20:03 Framedragger mircea_popescu: yeah this is only a test. i'll send alf the whole openpgp-wrapped bundle once that's done processing. the above is just a test, and it's a false positive
20:04 mircea_popescu aite.
20:04 Framedragger jurov: no i meant exponent in this case actually, the actual exponent for that key was supposed to be 65537
20:04 Framedragger jurov: but that key is borked due to my hasty scripting, so makes sense that the parsed modulus is not prime, either
20:06 jurov i trial divided whole set by 10000primes.txt, recommend very much to find problems
20:06 Framedragger nice.
20:07 jurov no need even to optimize, a ~ hour/gigabyte in plain python
20:08 jurov pypy helped, tho
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21:12 ben_vulpes in entirely unrelated /america no es un pais pobre/ news, i have an address outside of portland for the first time in nearly two decades
21:19 asciilifeform wat
21:21 trinque ben_vulpes: congrats!
21:21 asciilifeform how many houses has ben_vulpes now ?
21:27 asciilifeform << trinque what happened here ?
21:27 a111 Logged on 2016-06-19 17:58 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 627 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Paul Tagliamonte <>; Paul Tagliamonte <>; Paul Tagliamonte <>; Paul Tagliamonte <>; Paul Tagliamonte <>; Paul Tagliamonte <>; Paul Tagliamonte <>; Paul Tagliamonte <>; Paul Tagliamonte <>; Paul Ta
21:28 asciilifeform ^ flipolade incidentally. snore.
21:28 asciilifeform though now we learn that cosmic rays are attracted to debian and popular windowmanager devs.
21:29 asciilifeform the sheer variety of nyoooo factz we learned about photons really having charge after all !111111111
21:30 ben_vulpes photon charge, that's rich
21:30 ben_vulpes house count is family secret
21:30 asciilifeform well at any rate, turns out they're steerable in free space.
21:30 asciilifeform somehow.
21:30 ben_vulpes though very much like your btc count
21:31 ben_vulpes "omg none go away"
21:31 asciilifeform congrats on building bunker ben_vulpes
21:31 asciilifeform dun forget the wagner.
21:31 asciilifeform (important component)
21:32 ben_vulpes ty and trinque. notquite bunker, but not mass-produced foamed petro product either, which is quite a score.
21:32 ben_vulpes i find the uneven floor charming.
21:33 asciilifeform lol i have this right here.
21:33 asciilifeform 'unsealed wood'
21:33 ben_vulpes and the gaps in the fence an entertaining project opportunity.
21:33 ben_vulpes but hey the walls are actually hand-done plaster, and the door arches as well.
21:34 asciilifeform buy that hammer drill.
21:34 asciilifeform (or did last owner wire it already)
21:35 ben_vulpes no, 'tis wired. although the breaker labeled 'dryer' does not in fact shut off the dryer's 220.
21:35 ben_vulpes ask me how i know.
21:36 asciilifeform i meant cat6
21:36 ben_vulpes ano.
21:37 ben_vulpes america es un pais pobre! internet will come from 'xfinity wifi', eg some other sucker who paid comcast to have one of their repeaters in his house.
21:37 asciilifeform l0l, and food - from same neighbour's dumpster ?
21:38 ben_vulpes i don't even know where the servers are going to go yet.
21:38 ben_vulpes much less the least inane place to pierce the building envelope.
21:39 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i typically reuse the landline opening.
21:42 ben_vulpes i did that for a while, when moving frequently. its not really that much of a hassle to get it put in wherever, and to insulate the offense to the skin myself.
21:43 asciilifeform depends what the wall is made of.
21:43 ben_vulpes plus then i don't have to deal with running cat5 through living spaces, because in this povery-stricken part of the world everyone wants their data pipes in the room where children should be playing for some reason
21:43 asciilifeform where i live, telco will drop the fiber and that's it, any extra plumbing is yours to sweat
21:43 ben_vulpes 'fiber'
21:44 ben_vulpes nothere.coveredwagon
21:44 ben_vulpes 'you have died of dysentery'
21:44 asciilifeform 'you have died of death'
21:44 ben_vulpes also good
21:44 ben_vulpes doctor + bullets, always a fun time.
21:45 ben_vulpes anyways, cable company, monopolists of net in my area, deploy 'independent contractors', entirely happy to drill holes through whateverthefuck.
21:46 asciilifeform first nice thing i ever heard about crapcast
21:47 asciilifeform though, many years ago when i used it, they actually neglected to bill me for almost 2 years.
21:47 asciilifeform (yes the modem worked.)
21:47 ben_vulpes why would one expect 'nice' of company whose revenue is biodieseling couch potatoes?
21:48 ben_vulpes their 'business' packages are similarly utter scamolade.
21:49 ben_vulpes with epic contracts and such shitty delivery terms /one must actually do ones own qos over lte or something retarded/
21:49 ben_vulpes there's an entire small industry in the pacnw around internet uptime to arbitrary shitty buildings
21:57 ben_vulpes << quite a bit
21:57 a111 Logged on 2016-06-09 23:04 mircea_popescu: does this make sense to anyone outside of yours truly ? asciilifeform ? davout ? jurov ? phf ? trinque ?
22:04 phf i like comcast. it's the people's republic of america people's internet, it works, unless it doesn't, in which case go to competition lol
22:05 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> buy that hammer drill. << Actually everyone prolly ought to get their power tools before China cuts USia off.
22:07 phf don't worry, u.s. knows how to make drills too
22:08 BingoBoingo lol, but does it do masonry?
22:08 phf only if you have a properly sized negro
22:09 BingoBoingo Will have to remember that.
22:09 deedbot [Qntra] Goes To Other Peoples PC's Too! -
22:10 phf actually i used an equivalent drill for years growing up
22:10 BingoBoingo Anyways apparently high end cordless tools are actually useful now since Techtronic of Hong Kong apparently OEM's for all the brands it hasn't bough and actually introduced *gasp* BRUSHLESS motors.
22:11 BingoBoingo phf: The push down ratcheting screwdrivers by yankee/stanley are pretty cool, but also discontinued since forever ago.
22:12 phf i also had one of these guys
22:12 BingoBoingo The way it works is instead of weird wrist twisting motion screwdriver allows more familiar jack off pumping motion.
22:12 phf << identical item
22:13 BingoBoingo Aha those drills look like they can take hammer to make hammer drill
22:13 phf i'm pretty sure i've done that, at least to prime the spot. also as a child that's kind of a natural inclination
22:18 BingoBoingo Seems like one of those intuitive things that comes to functioning people
22:21 phf oh man, i forgot about this thing. i'm pretty sure it was my first exposure to a mechanical object that i used extensively and had to take care of
22:22 BingoBoingo Mine was whittling knife
22:23 phf you had to take that little cover off to put oil in, otherwise it'd run not as smooth, so you kind of learn when to oil it. then periodically you had to clean it fully, because mostly wood, metal and oil would get inside make soup
22:24 phf i have this etched really close up image of drill head in my head that i couldn't quite place until i realized just now that it's that very drill
22:24 phf "boy's first drill" :D
22:25 phf oh nice, i've not picked up that skill until quite recently, maybe a year ago i bought a whittling knife before a trip to alaska and i've been kind of doodling with it since
22:26 BingoBoingo Was a boy scout so rite of passage. Was carbon steel so also required oiling.
22:28 BingoBoingo A few months ago got my first cordless drill. Went with "Ryobi Starter Drill" so the battery would work with reciprocating saw I wanted which comes without battery. Reciprocating saw is wonderful. Drill chuck slips on drill bits all the time so in a futile effort t detach chuck the contents of the drill's gearbox is now scattered on a corner of my desk.
22:29 BingoBoingo Turns out Japanese name simply means China factory cares least for product.
22:29 BingoBoingo At least corded drill still works
22:30 BingoBoingo I am still puzzled by the decision to give cheapest drill a gearbox with 16 clutch settings instead of a chuck that can fucking hold a bit.
22:32 phf i kind of assume those things are not actually designed for drilling, but for accessorizing at home depot
22:34 phf japanese products for american market are all made in china. they are bigger, clunkier and cheaper. authentic japanese item almost always looks and feels more compact, but to acquire one you have to go to weeb websites, or try to wade through export sites with huge markups
22:34 BingoBoingo Next drill will probably be from Milwauke Electric Tool company of TTI of Hong Kong's Shenzen factory
22:36 BingoBoingo And hopefully China likes Milwauke's reputation more than Japan's
22:38 phf i was actually comparing a zojirushi rice cooker that i bought from amazon to the one my jap friend brought from motherland. it's sort of like is somebody designed an item that's supposed to look identical from the distance, but has lower resolution upon closer inspection. missing features, BIG buttons and less of them, cheaper rougher molding. it's hilarious
22:38 BingoBoingo Ah
22:40 BingoBoingo anyways this time I'll probably actually try it in the store before leaving. Get drill, masonry bits, and concrete block then test it in the tool rental area. If people test riding morwers there I don't see why I can't test drill.
22:40 phf "woah is that how you use that thing?"
22:40 asciilifeform << i still have this !
22:40 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 02:12 phf: i also had one of these guys
22:40 asciilifeform it worx great
22:41 asciilifeform and is nearly indestructible.
22:41 phf i'm trying to ebay one at the moment :>
22:41 phf << that's probably same production line as the one i had
22:42 asciilifeform aha, i have it.
22:42 asciilifeform prolly everybody does.
22:44 phf and by "everybody" you mean people who haven't gotten to throwing out grandpa's toolbox yet, and like the whole 6 of breed Soviet Engineers (two in argentina, one in south korea and the rest in u.s.)
22:44 phf *last of breed
22:44 asciilifeform believe or not, we took this thing to usa.
22:44 asciilifeform along with fucking meat grinder etc.
22:44 asciilifeform i sleep on a pillow made some time in 1970s. by hand.
22:45 phf see you guys were wise, our assumption was that we're going to a better soviet union, not zimbabwe ;)
22:45 asciilifeform (it appears to be impossible to get feathers-but-no-stems pillow in usa)
22:45 asciilifeform we had forward scout.
22:45 phf пух
22:45 phf an alien concept
22:46 asciilifeform aha
22:46 BingoBoingo My cousin swiped all of grandapa's tools in that time between the journey from hospital to cemetary.
22:46 phf next thing you gonna say you can build items to specs or something
22:46 asciilifeform you can buy 'down' but it is not same thing.
22:49 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
22:49 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 756.85, vol: 2785.53262635 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 725.601, vol: 3278.92698 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 758.85, vol: 28377.58695497 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 680.0, vol: 11.0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 768.383222, vol: 48353.86460000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 763.18, vol: 2732.93260472 | Volume-weighted last average: 763.027494952
22:50 asciilifeform << let me guess: plastic gears.
22:50 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 02:28 BingoBoingo: A few months ago got my first cordless drill. Went with "Ryobi Starter Drill" so the battery would work with reciprocating saw I wanted which comes without battery. Reciprocating saw is wonderful. Drill chuck slips on drill bits all the time so in a futile effort t detach chuck the contents of the drill's gearbox is now scattered on a corner of my desk.
22:51 BingoBoingo ;;later tell cazalla apparently someone wants to fuck Dixie
22:51 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:51 asciilifeform i've always almost wanted to put together a '' public shame list.
22:51 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: METAL gears actually. plastic box though.
22:51 asciilifeform but today it is ~futile, almost EVERYTHING has plastic gears
22:51 asciilifeform i saw full size lathe with plastic motherfucking gears.
22:52 BingoBoingo Can even pick up these gears with magnet.
22:52 BingoBoingo Which makes the abomination of a chuck even harder to forgive.
22:52 asciilifeform just say no to chinese toolz.
22:53 asciilifeform they do not save money, quite the opposite.
22:53 asciilifeform add up the cost of all of the materials you've ruined.
22:53 BingoBoingo I don't think there are powered tools anymore that aren't chinese.
22:53 asciilifeform and the injured meat.
22:55 BingoBoingo Asking trades people in don't drink club about suggested replacement tools some think a few America brand's tools were improved by being swept into the Techtronics juggernaut, but... will have to see
22:58 asciilifeform power tools with batteries - l0l
22:58 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes> i don't even know where the servers are going to go yet. << hey, at least it's no longer "life in an elevator"
22:59 asciilifeform i always pictured ben_vulpes's flat as similar to my old 'nazi submarine' (complete with storage bulkheads in obscene places, cramming every possible ullage full of goodiez)
22:59 mircea_popescu iirc it was about the floor surface of his car.
23:01 mircea_popescu << this is a good point, the good times won't last forever.
23:01 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 02:05 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> buy that hammer drill. << Actually everyone prolly ought to get their power tools before China cuts USia off.
23:02 * BingoBoingo considering brushless 12 volt because easier to source replacement for if li-ion batteries dry up.
23:04 mircea_popescu << i have touched the exact item!
23:04 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 02:12 phf: i also had one of these guys
23:06 mircea_popescu << likely. back when i was in the us a decade ago, a very visible 1/3 of tools had a very nailpolish-and-high heels value
23:06 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 02:32 phf: i kind of assume those things are not actually designed for drilling, but for accessorizing at home depot
23:08 mircea_popescu << i had duck down pillows in boston. you just don't know enough womenz :D
23:08 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 02:45 asciilifeform: (it appears to be impossible to get feathers-but-no-stems pillow in usa)
23:09 mircea_popescu << very unalien. puf in romanian, down in english
23:09 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 02:45 phf: пух
23:09 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: only theoretically.
23:09 asciilifeform if you buy 'down pillow' in modern usa you get bag of shit.
23:09 asciilifeform even if for $1000.
23:09 mircea_popescu yeah well
23:10 mircea_popescu actually it wouldn't surprise me for it to be illegal to own.
23:10 mircea_popescu "part of animal"
23:10 BingoBoingo "migratory bird"
23:10 asciilifeform the shit pillows with the feathers-cum-stems are ubiquitous.
23:11 mircea_popescu they're prolly mayo nose hairs.
23:11 asciilifeform << mega-classic re shit toolz, surprised that it isn't in the l0gz
23:12 mircea_popescu uh log breaks the url
23:13 BingoBoingo wank
23:13 asciilifeform ohforfufcssake.
23:13 phf (almost fixed that one)
23:13 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo really, 21 yo should be broke.
23:13 phf mircea_popescu: c'mon we are reminiscing, "in soviet union men wrought tools out of steal and built bridges that lead to god's own gates! women made pillows that were feather but light than feathers and as you lay on those pillows you needed to sleep for five minutes, but it was as if you slept ad libitum"
23:14 mircea_popescu and the toilet paper and dishwashing steel wool were interchangeable!
23:14 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: sure, also abducted. But note it is latest salvo in Gawker Media's "Trust us, we don't suck that much" campaign
23:14 asciilifeform nah that's here in good old phreeeeeeeeeedomland
23:14 phf same GOST for both
23:15 asciilifeform l0lz
23:15 phf (also can be used as re-entry burn up flak on ballistics)
23:15 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo vaguely reminds me of a badling ballmer going apeshit (literally, grunting and chimping out) on stage to try an' retain some attention if naught else.
23:16 mircea_popescu dear god these people produce such trite prose. unreadable.
23:16 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It's a well trod and very lulzy path
23:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: developersdevelopersdevelopersdevelopers!!!11111
23:17 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: And not that the unreadability to them is a virtue. They can all discuss it with the confidence it was unread.
23:17 mircea_popescu heh i guess there's that.
23:17 asciilifeform
23:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform eeexactly.
23:21 mircea_popescu I myself used a Hole Hawg to drill many holes through studs, which it did as a blender chops cabbage. I also used it to cut a few six-inch-diameter holes through an old lath-and-plaster ceiling. I chucked in a new hole saw, went up to the second story, reached down between the newly installed floor joists, and began to cut through the first-floor ceiling below. Where my homeowner's drill had labored and whined to spin the hu
23:21 mircea_popescu ge bit around, and had stalled at the slightest obstruction, the Hole Hawg rotated with the stupid consistency of a spinning planet. When the hole saw seized up, the Hole Hawg spun itself and me around, and crushed one of my hands between the steel pipe handle and a joist, producing a few lacerations, each surrounded by a wide corona of deeply bruised flesh. It also bent the hole saw itself, though not so badly that I couldn'
23:21 mircea_popescu t use it. After a few such run-ins, when I got ready to use the Hole Hawg my heart actually began to pound with atavistic terror.
23:21 mircea_popescu But I never blamed the Hole Hawg; I blamed myself. The Hole Hawg is dangerous because it does exactly what you tell it to. It is not bound by the physical limitations that are inherent in a cheap drill, and neither is it limited by safety interlocks that might be built into a homeowner's product by a liability-conscious manufacturer. The danger lies not in the machine itself but in the user's failure to envision the full cons
23:21 mircea_popescu equences of the instructions he gives to it.
23:21 mircea_popescu A smaller tool is dangerous too, but for a completely different reason: it tries to do what you tell it to, and fails in some way that is unpredictable and almost always undesirable. But the Hole Hawg is like the genie of the ancient fairy tales, who carries out his master's instructions literally and precisely and with unlimited power, often with disastrous, unforeseen consequences.
23:21 mircea_popescu sounds juuust about right.
23:23 mircea_popescu but yes, unix is possibly the last os the user was genuinely terrified of.
23:23 mircea_popescu at least - until bitcoin.
23:29 mircea_popescu <<< check it out, i lose o.O
23:29 asciilifeform lel i bet i win by 1 pastespew
23:30 mircea_popescu nah it's like 100s of lines!
23:30 mircea_popescu << apparently this has been going on for a while nao!
23:32 asciilifeform i still recall when arsebot was king.
23:32 mircea_popescu yeah srsly.
23:32 mircea_popescu anyway, i'm for bed. laters.
23:32 * asciilifeform also. bbl
23:35 BingoBoingo
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