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00:00 asciilifeform !up mp_colonist
00:00 mp_colonist ty
00:00 mp_colonist << epic
00:01 asciilifeform << related...
00:02 mats_cd03 what am i looking at
00:03 BingoBoingo Fuck it, might as well get a boat
00:03 mp_colonist mats_cd03, recall supposed 3 boobs chick ?
00:03 mats_cd03 oh... chick is in fact man?
00:03 BingoBoingo mats_cd03: No, chick just wants mtv show
00:04 mats_cd03 otherwise it would be one prosthesis instead of three?
00:04 decimation I like kings wallowing in the beast's mouth
00:04 mats_cd03 hrm.
00:04 mp_colonist chick complained someone stole her 3 boob prosthetic last year
00:05 mp_colonist BingoBoingo: bounce: There's too many razors to keep them all straight << hidden straight razor joke ?
00:06 mats_cd03 this one huh?
00:06 assbot Three-breasted Florida woman Jasmine Tridevil insists third boob is real, but police report shows she once lost 'prosthesis' - NY Daily News
00:06 BingoBoingo mp_colonist: Nah, they make more interesting cuts when unfurled from bent
00:06 mp_colonist mats_cd03, and of course they cite no source rite ?
00:07 BingoBoingo mats_cd03: She also accused a stranger of assaulting her in a bar without evidence and was forced to drop it. To terrafoam and Vitamin H with her.
00:07 mats_cd03 god shes ugly
00:08 mp_colonist mats_cd03, she's not ugly, she's a masseuse.
00:08 mats_cd03 should've had work done on her face if she wanted to be on mtv
00:08 mats_cd03 " Well, I am crazy," she told the "The News Junkie" show. "Crazy people don't know they are crazy, so technically since I know I'm crazy I'm not crazy." saved
00:09 mp_colonist i am not crazy because of my deep seated belief that what i say alters what is and therefore i can't be crazy rite guise ?
00:10 asciilifeform mp_colonist: << obligatory
00:10 assbot 21st Century Magic
00:10 BingoBoingo mp_colonist: I do much of the same, but parts of what I do don't influence reality.
00:11 * asciilifeform not enamoured with dutch's examples specifically - but his formula is sound.
00:11 mp_colonist asciilifeform: 'new gurlz in [electron beam] lithography'
00:11 mp_colonist i swear i'm reading for hte pictures.
00:12 mats_cd03 asciilifeform: you have a bookmarks file with 5000 entries, or you just consult the google?
00:12 asciilifeform mats_cd03: usually, brain and a little google.
00:12 mats_cd03 me - I'm working on the bookmarks.
00:13 * asciilifeform used to have bookmarks, then the world froze and they burned in.
00:14 mp_colonist asciilifeform, i dont get it, why wouldnt wa fix bug ?
00:14 asciilifeform wait which ?
00:14 asciilifeform aha that one
00:14 mp_colonist ya
00:15 BingoBoingo So, *crazy idea* thinking about taking volunteer or part time work with the local ,public, library.
00:15 asciilifeform mp_colonist: perhaps out of spite. they flew sales-muppets to my lab hoping i'd buy a mega-cluster's worth of licenses. i didn;t.
00:16 mp_colonist uh
00:16 asciilifeform so from their point of view i was probably the same kind of ruffian as the mac demo audiences from that other link.
00:16 mp_colonist what sort of spite is this, "i won't clean the spinach between my teeth out of spite because you didn't buy me a ring" ?
00:16 asciilifeform that very same.
00:16 mats_cd03 BingoBoingo: what sort of work would you be doing?
00:17 mp_colonist BingoBoingo, what is supposed to be crazy about being at a desk ?
00:17 BingoBoingo <mp_colonist> what sort of spite is this, "i won't clean the spinach between my teeth out of spite because you didn't buy me a ring" ? << Dangerous game, folates encourage bacteria and mycellium
00:18 BingoBoingo mp_colonist: just the part where I resign myself to positions the high school students hold, and the part where they still might favor the HS students for it.
00:18 mp_colonist so crazy = lazy ?
00:18 decimation BingoBoingo: why not work for the library in exchange for money?
00:19 asciilifeform mp_colonist: i did sign off on ~7kBez worth of wolframiana. but did not expect the same level of fellatio as the folks who we paid 40k/seat. and got what expected.
00:19 mp_colonist JuliaTourianski: +BingoBoingo hhaha just someone said to me she's "penetrating the btc scene" so I figured I should probably know of her if that's the case << so much derpage srsly. you need better friends.
00:19 asciilifeform *from the folks who we padi
00:19 asciilifeform *paid
00:20 BingoBoingo mp_colonist: It could, last year. This year though... less notable retards to need to build dossiers on so practical.
00:20 mp_colonist penetrating the scene what is this, mtv
00:20 mp_colonist decimation, try and guess.
00:20 BingoBoingo <decimation> BingoBoingo: why not work for the library in exchange for money? << Managing paper is a dying niche
00:21 asciilifeform mp_colonist: i am very glad they did not fix. relying on black box turd for a critical piece of mechanics was stupid, and it was necessary to pay with suffering for it (did.)
00:21 asciilifeform education!
00:22 mp_colonist asciilifeform, you know, this strikes me as kinda silly. a la restaurant that will mistreat customers ordering $7 worth of coffee because they didn't buy $40 worth of pizza or w/e
00:22 asciilifeform mp_colonist: wolfram corp. is quite unlike a restaurant
00:22 decimation mp_colonist: this is standard behavior among us 'tech' companies
00:22 asciilifeform in that most of their revenue comes from 'whales.'
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00:23 mp_colonist so restaurant's revenue comes from people who eat out.
00:23 mp_colonist most people don't.
00:24 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: So Wolfram is an event caterer
00:24 decimation right, but in a restaurant you don't have one guy who eats 80% of the food and everyone else eats peanuts
00:25 mp_colonist kinda how it works in egypt yeah
00:25 BingoBoingo <decimation> right, but in a restaurant you don't have one guy who eats 80% of the food and everyone else eats peanuts << Not undeard of
00:25 mp_colonist guys inside eat the food, buncha derps outside eat peanuts
00:25 asciilifeform i linked to the film not because anything in it is new (the maniac renamed the product after himself, for no reason, but this is uninteresting) but to demonstrate a genuine monopoly product
00:25 asciilifeform where he could easily ask most of the hardcore users to suck his cock as a condition of license renewal - and many would.
00:26 decimation zooming out further, probably more than 90% of the revenue for wolfram comes from usg
00:26 decimation either directly or indirectly
00:27 mp_colonist asciilifeform, wouldn't last long. this cock sucking thing... truth is, the penis doens't last too long even to normal copulatory friction. saliva is digestive.
00:27 asciilifeform decimation: my operation was 100% usg.
00:28 mp_colonist try having your pecker in a mouth four a few hours a day for a few days and see what sore truely means
00:28 asciilifeform mp_colonist: proverbial adamantine indestructible cock.
00:28 mp_colonist o so you can't feel anything ?
00:28 mp_colonist have them suck your desk legs
00:28 decimation or a statue of yourself
00:28 asciilifeform that's more or less what he does.
00:28 asciilifeform most of the humiliation serves no immediate purpose
00:28 BingoBoingo mp_colonist> try having your pecker in a mouth four a few hours a day for a few days and see what sore truely means << Wasn't this limiting factor discussed this spring?
00:28 asciilifeform beyond it being there on tap when necessary.
00:28 BingoBoingo !s digested penis
00:28 assbot 1 results for 'digested penis' :
00:29 mp_colonist so we're at the point in hipster evolution where cute rebel late hs chicks misrepresent themselves as associated with us for the benefit of w/e cute boy named ethan ?
00:29 JuliaTourianski +mp_colonist ahhaah truth
00:29 mp_colonist i feel like the bodymod people
00:29 mp_colonist it's a sad feeling.
00:29 asciilifeform (forget 'w. alpha', it's a clown show) mathematica - is example of a product for which not even a vaguely passable (to aficionado) alternative exists, at any price point
00:29 mp_colonist BingoBoingo, possibly.
00:30 mp_colonist asciilifeform, am i stupid or why i never used it ?
00:30 asciilifeform mp_colonist: it only became interesting after ver. 6 or so.
00:30 asciilifeform !up mp_colonist
00:30 Dimsler lol
00:30 mp_colonist so what am i missing out on ?
00:30 BingoBoingo mp_colonist: Apparently there was at least a hint of the discussion
00:30 assbot Logged on 11-04-2014 18:39:14; mircea_popescu: my penis is half digested by all the saliva
00:31 mp_colonist BingoBoingo, only goes to show i speak with ht eweight of experience.
00:31 asciilifeform i was always too lazy to answer this question (and don't fancy getting folks addicted, i laboured under abject druggie hell from it) but the film exists now
00:31 asciilifeform to answer this question, for those who really are certain they wish to know.
00:31 mp_colonist i am certainly not watching any films
00:31 mp_colonist even if it had tits.
00:31 asciilifeform it's herr w. showing screen captures.
00:32 mp_colonist i just hate the format. fucking visual thinkers psssshhh. sinners.
00:32 decimation from my experience the other competing program is 'matlab'
00:32 asciilifeform decimation: not even remotely the same.
00:32 mp_colonist so then also q ?
00:32 mp_colonist or r or s or w/e
00:33 asciilifeform decimation: of course, users of 'matlab' will say 'sure! we're same.' -- like 'glbse' vs 'mpex'...
00:34 mats_cd03 now thats a zinger
00:34 mp_colonist asciilifeform, can you put the difference in twelve words ?
00:35 decimation asciilifeform: yeah you are right of course. matlab has a 'symbolic' toolbox but the actual programming language is not the same at all
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00:35 asciilifeform graphical constructs as first-class data structures.
00:35 mp_colonist ;;ticker
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00:36 decimation asciilifeform: I can open a png in an emacs buffer ;)
00:36 mp_colonist asciilifeform, oh i see. no wonder i never cared.
00:36 asciilifeform that isn't really a complete picture.
00:36 asciilifeform but herr w. isn't paying me to create addicts. i'm almost sorry i mentioned it...
00:37 mp_colonist not judging it, just curious.
00:37 asciilifeform must really be seen to be understood.
00:37 decimation matlab is the de facto standard for dsp development
00:37 mp_colonist exactly. not my kinda thing
00:37 asciilifeform decimation: classic vendor lock-in. disgusting turd.
00:37 decimation I prototype using matlab, but I find the 'index starts at 1' fortranism enraging
00:38 asciilifeform decimation: university labs are given a 'complete package' with instrument libraries, etc.; students forced to use.
00:38 decimation yeah that's pretty much what I encoutered
00:38 asciilifeform ascii input & output, terrible for any real mathematical work
00:38 decimation the only real symbolic math packing I've seen folks use is 'maple'
00:38 asciilifeform another 'glbse'
00:39 decimation yeah, also with ascii in & out
00:39 * asciilifeform did not exhume this item to praise 'mathematica' but to bury it - it's an example of something everybody else should have copied and used as permanent baseline for anything new, like kalashnikov.
00:39 asciilifeform but instead - monopoly.
00:40 asciilifeform (as discussed re: apple, here )
00:40 assbot Loper OS » Non-Apple’s Mistake
00:40 decimation I agree from my limited experience with mathematica that its graphical 'repl' is unique
00:40 decimation and highly pleasing for symbolic math
00:40 asciilifeform bury the fscking turds. viagra exists, do we need penis vacuums and stinging beetles in cups ?
00:40 asciilifeform venomous ants, to get it up ?
00:41 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: As survivor of the soviet system and pending survivor of the Americunt system... WHy does Velveeta come in block, shredded and sliced forms???
00:41 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ussr was innocent of velveeta.
00:41 * asciilifeform has never had the pleasure of actually tasting this 'marvel.'
00:42 * asciilifeform would rather boil his belt & accordion than eat it.
00:42 decimation asciilifeform: unlike mathematica, at least 'octave' exists
00:43 decimation there's no 'open source mimic' of mathematica, which would be the first step toward improvement I should think
00:43 asciilifeform decimation: the question of why no 'octave'-like clone exists for mathematica, is not uninteresting
00:43 asciilifeform and probably has bearing on the fundamental pathologies of what we call 'open source.'
00:43 mp_colonist << this thing for the record is atrociously bad
00:43 assbot 21st Century Magic
00:43 asciilifeform bad but obligatory.
00:43 mp_colonist about on par with a sex treatise by a typical 17 yo
00:44 asciilifeform mp_colonist: dutch is the same guy who did the symmetry-groups thing. he has an astonishing spectrum of strange.
00:44 decimation I suspect a major part of the motivation for 'matlab clone' is that young programmers have matlab stuff down their throats, as explained above
00:44 mp_colonist "metaphisics by [dubious] scientists - we've not figured anything positive on our own so here's what we got to say about a whole subject we never formally studied"
00:44 asciilifeform decimation: they sure do.
00:44 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Was curious if SSR had same dairy afliction as SSA
00:44 decimation then find that they can't afford the license fee when they want to buy it with their lunch money
00:44 mp_colonist he is sorely out of his deph
00:44 mp_colonist th.
00:44 asciilifeform mp_colonist: write to him! dollars to doughnuts, he'll have an interesting answer.
00:45 mp_colonist i might, but the problem is that he's attacking a high level problem and lacks the basics
00:45 decimation whereas most users of mathematica probably go out of their way (rejecting alternatives) to buy a license (using usg's money of course)
00:45 mp_colonist so he fights with utterly reductionist meaninglessness, to discover it's meaningless
00:46 asciilifeform mp_colonist: the man is a geologist (as far as i can judge - a good one) and an amateur scholar of crackpottery. no pretenses at being a monumental philosopher.
00:46 mp_colonist well the pretense is in the pudding.
00:46 mp_colonist tell me this : how come he doesn't include an ydiscussion of the notion of number, or sphere in there ?
00:46 asciilifeform 'picked up the piece - move.' yes.
00:46 mp_colonist they're JUST AS "magical" as the examples he gives.
00:46 mp_colonist why not ? why the blindspot ?
00:47 mp_colonist ah, because you gotta know how to carpent to not end up hammering your finger "accidentally" and "because you didn't see it" ?
00:47 asciilifeform mp_colonist: clearly 'platonist' - thinks that particular bit of magic 'works when you plug it in.'
00:47 mp_colonist mkay.
00:47 mp_colonist he's not a platonist inasmuch as he's not read or understood plato
00:47 mp_colonist you can't be a mpist just because my beard gives you a hardon
00:47 asciilifeform lower-case-p
00:48 * asciilifeform dusts off 'shift' key
00:48 decimation one hypothesis of the 'open source community' based on this evidence: far more motivated to imitate mediocrity than invent unique & interesting
00:48 mp_colonist everyone with this pedestrian "oh magic derp". who the fuck of all these would be scientists actually understands, not in the sense of has-read-frege-and-so-on, but in the sense of has sat down an hour quietly to think on the subject - who i say understands numbers ?
00:49 asciilifeform decimation: this might actually go straight to mp's piece about good knight/conqueror and good father being different animals
00:49 mp_colonist "o, they're just these gas knobs, when you turn them the tea warms". tyvm, fucktard omfg bbq
00:49 mp_colonist magoscientists complaining about how magomagicians aren't doing magoscience right.
00:50 asciilifeform decimation: if you are inventor, gruntwork (of the kind involved in achieving almost anything substantial with existing computer systems) is a monumental torture.
00:50 mp_colonist /endrant
00:50 decimation asciilifeform: 'c machine kazoo'
00:51 asciilifeform magoscientists complaining about how magomagicians aren't doing magoscience right << obligatory: 'monday begins on saturday' (strugatski brothers.) << exists in english!!
00:51 asciilifeform about... this.
00:51 mp_colonist right
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00:52 BingoBoingo ;;google "the asylum" alpha house
00:52 gribble The Asylum | ALPHA HOUSE: <>; "Alpha House" Feature Film Trailer (from The Asylum) - YouTube: <>; The Asylum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>
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00:53 decimation asciilifeform: do mix Mr Yarvin's metaphor - what would "Haakon the Fairhaired" do about computers today? would he pointlessly toil with c-machine kazoo or would he bide his time and work on something unique?
00:54 asciilifeform decimation: easy one. he'd sail off, rape, pillage.
00:54 asciilifeform never touch computer.
00:54 decimation lol yeah
00:54 mp_colonist maybe he'd troll alibaba for rape memorabilia ?
00:55 asciilifeform at most.
00:55 mp_colonist then not pay for it.
00:55 decimation I suspect that it would be hard to convince mr. Haakon that money was not gold
00:56 mp_colonist decimation, he prolly would understand current money as an extension of "honor"
00:56 mp_colonist not as money.
00:57 asciilifeform mp_colonist: he would also immediately grasp the present situation as 'nithlings' ('pederasts' to russian prisoner, ??? to english) took control and force people to behave as if they were people and their honour had weight
00:57 decimation mp_colonist: that's an interesting thought, you are probably right. it also makes the actions of the west w.r.t. money obviously 'dishonorable'
00:59 mp_colonist decimation, i think more along asciilifeform's idea. nothing but weakness.
00:59 * BingoBoingo actually believes Alibaba could be that big measured in Fiats
00:59 decimation thus, rape & pillage the dishonorable
00:59 mp_colonist dishonor is a different category, in that it's an affliction of the strong.
00:59 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Greeks in English
01:00 mp_colonist decimation, you can't burn fuel in an atmosphere of fuel.
01:00 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: nope.
01:00 mp_colonist and there's no one man raiding parties.
01:00 mp_colonist so... prolly not.
01:00 decimation so he would perceive these 'pederasts' as non-people, too weak to even have honor.
01:00 asciilifeform dishonour on a nithling is like a papercut on a flayed corpse
01:00 mp_colonist ^
01:00 asciilifeform 'not a number'
01:00 mp_colonist he'd prolly try and leave
01:01 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The classic Spartans behing the boarding schools, not the historical greeks
01:01 asciilifeform !up mp_colonist
01:01 mp_colonist actually this could be a decent counterpart to svjek story, "rothgar the barbarian in modern day malmo".
01:01 mp_colonist sorta document his mishaps trying to gtfo.
01:01 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: not them, either. afaik the translation of russian prison 'pederast' to engl. is 'punk' ('nonce' in british world ?? ) ?
01:01 mp_colonist pity there's no jerome k jerome extant to write it
01:02 mp_colonist asciilifeform, punk works. it denotes an unintentionally submissive, younger gay man.
01:02 mp_colonist just people tend to pretend they don't know this.
01:02 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Such ananlogues exist, the Jerry sanduskies. The disconnect is in the lazy dictionaries
01:02 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: there is a ritual, in a great many cultures, whereby a miscreant (not necessarily inclined to be buggered originally) is 'lowered into pederasty' - normally as a punishment
01:02 asciilifeform but possibly as result of a 'loss of maleness' event of some category
01:03 BingoBoingo !s prison
01:03 assbot 0 results for ' prison' :
01:03 asciilifeform << in english. concerns polish prisons.
01:03 asciilifeform describes a watered-down version of the ritual and its sequelae.
01:03 BingoBoingo
01:04 assbot Rape as a disciplinary tactic -
01:04 asciilifeform (among other things)
01:04 asciilifeform ^ 'Games Prisoners Play' (Kaminski)
01:05 asciilifeform the menacing zek on the cover is a real riot, considering how sympathetic the creatures in this book are (compared to russian zeks described in corresponding tomes)
01:05 asciilifeform (they're 'victorian' gentlemen by comparison)
01:06 decimation so perhaps the analogy is something like how cortez would have perceived the aztecs, derpy pagan losers who had a 'civilization' that fell to his merry band
01:07 BingoBoingo decimation> so perhaps the analogy is something like how cortez would have perceived the aztecs, derpy pagan losers who had a 'civilization' that fell to his merry band << Cortex succeeded in pressingneighbor against neighbor
01:07 asciilifeform the question that almost begs to be asked is whether haakon (cortez, whoever) would immediately seize upon modern tech as being the product of long-dead wizards, as it is.
01:07 decimation heh yeah "tech-men"
01:08 asciilifeform if yes - modern world gets arse drilled out several sizes up.
01:08 BingoBoingo Cortez? who knows, his first officer, probably
01:09 mp_colonist asciilifeform, i doubt these are similar from any other pov than your own.
01:09 mp_colonist to them themselves, you prolly look closer to the other than they
01:11 * asciilifeform has no pretenses of ability to look human to cortez, haakon, -- or even a man like isambard brunel, bridge-builder.
01:12 mp_colonist in any case this civ outlook, with phenomenology as a problem to be solved is entirely new.
01:13 mp_colonist they had fun in different ways, and subscribed to different priors
01:13 asciilifeform they had fun in different ways << to the naked eye - seem similar ways ?
01:13 BingoBoingo phenomenology as its own prior seems a distinctly French/German affliction
01:15 mp_colonist asciilifeform, if you see a woman moaning can you tell if she's having an orgasm ?
01:15 mp_colonist fun's an interior matter.
01:16 asciilifeform but, positing the fun (vs a taxidermic skin of fun) you can catalogue observables.
01:16 asciilifeform e.g. she is sitting on a sharp stake. (probably was not inserted by request) - so perhaps not having fun
01:16 asciilifeform (or, or...)
01:17 mp_colonist nah, im cataloguing the implications of context
01:17 * asciilifeform thinks
01:17 mp_colonist "a trained whore with five years' brothel experience would never etc etc"
01:17 mp_colonist "this 16yo mormon girl has just for the first time encountered and is trying to make sense of"
01:18 asciilifeform with five years' brothel experience << '3 ani experienta' !
01:19 mp_colonist take haakon and cortez. one is part of a tradition reflective of the edda.
01:19 mp_colonist the other of doctor angelicum's stuff.
01:19 mp_colonist obviously these will structure experience differently by indicating different bits as important or unimportant.
01:20 * asciilifeform will not presume to guess whether eating steak, or rape, pillage, 'felt the same' or not given the differing structures.
01:20 mp_colonist show you tungsten you think carbides, or lightbulbs. show it to paracelsus he thinks "lesbian silver"
01:21 mp_colonist rape certainly doesn't feel the same.
01:21 asciilifeform ;;google archimedes gramophone
01:21 gribble Archimedean spiral - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Archimedean spiral: <>; Young Archimedes Summary - <>
01:21 asciilifeform fail.
01:21 mp_colonist but anyway, i shall be back later for even more discussions of things and matters!
01:22 BingoBoingo Some of my dick's beat memories involve particular lesbians.
01:22 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> be glad for the bell. << amen. i recently undertook to build a piece of 'golden cage' 'software' to ship over to a client. required 'upgrading' 'xcode', which required 'upgrading' 'os x', a thing i'd been avoiding on principle as the bell shows up every time i plug the shitbox in.
01:22 * BingoBoingo though now ponders the habitavility of Argentina's snake Island
01:23 ben_vulpes forty (billed) minutes later, i have a combudder as what can make 'iOS 8' things happen to...shit i don't even know how it happens to other devices.
01:24 ben_vulpes there are keys and certs and provisioning things and developer whatsits and i ask you - why does this thing not simply run code?
01:24 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: You know how OSX gets credit from scribbing from *BSD's yes?
01:24 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Whose libc does Android use though??
01:24 ben_vulpes LS(1) BSD General Commands Manual LS(1) << BingoBoingo quite.
01:25 ben_vulpes who knows/cares.
01:25 ben_vulpes it's a convenient chumpatron - both my shartup short and the touchscreen phenom.
01:25 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: They taken OpenBSD's libc, for what reason who cares. THey are just the queer little unix with the kernel lock that hampers IP stacks, right?
01:26 ben_vulpes 'android'? unix?
01:27 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: OSX, MacOS???
01:27 ben_vulpes "they" ambiguous.
01:28 BingoBoingo Until "they" corner you in gasen shower
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01:29 ben_vulpes why do you bring up bsd in the context of macos, BingoBoingo ?
01:29 ben_vulpes aside from pedigree.
01:29 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Well, what is OSX/NExT step other than Sun OS poorly ported to PPC?
01:30 ben_vulpes your point?
01:30 BingoBoingo Need there be one?
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01:30 ben_vulpes !b 2
01:31 ben_vulpes not for you apparently.
01:31 ben_vulpes ;;ident JuliaTourianski
01:31 gribble Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
01:31 ben_vulpes ;;gpginfo JuliaTourianski
01:31 gribble Error: "gpginfo" is not a valid command.
01:31 ben_vulpes ;;gpg info JuliaTourianski
01:31 gribble No such user registered.
01:32 ben_vulpes ;;gpg info JuliaTourianski_
01:32 gribble User 'JuliaTourianski_', with keyid 10572E349297B40F, fingerprint 5B51A3720F496281ACA2287E10572E349297B40F, and bitcoin address 1zPxLJWtrR8nhJEZWXrHWTu47r7LgJaMG, registered on Mon Sep 22 15:20:03 2014, last authed on Tue Sep 23 14:32:18 2014. . Currently not authenticated.
01:32 BingoBoingo Jobs turned Sun OS into OS X, Google turned OpenBSD libc on lunix to make Android. THe world turns, everydog becomes a mutt. And no one cares for generology anymoar!
01:33 ben_vulpes genealogy?
01:33 BingoBoingo Fucking Rasberry Pi is a thing, and consumer MIPS boards are a mirage that require bending FPGA's to shape.
01:34 BingoBoingo <ben_vulpes> genealogy? << WIth wetware this is a deciding factor...
01:34 BingoBoingo And Wetware still has its hints in silicon if only for another decade...
01:35 BingoBoingo Where shit comes from matters ben_vulpes
01:36 ben_vulpes really? i was under the impression that it was just shit and to be avoided.
01:36 BingoBoingo At one point this was a scandal >>
01:36 assbot Pentium FDIV bug - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
01:36 ben_vulpes reddit v. - matters?
01:37 BingoBoingo Pedigree matters.
01:38 ben_vulpes " On January 17, 1995, Intel announced a pre-tax charge of $475 million against earnings" << convenient
01:38 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: You dog is from a breed that requires low derp, yes?
01:39 ben_vulpes if you're asking if the trainers have to know what they're doing and do it properly then yes.
01:39 BingoBoingo That, and that is a luxury of handling wetware in that case.
01:39 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: importance of pedigree is proportional to information poverty.
01:39 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: try gedankenexperiment:
01:40 asciilifeform 'choose from where you will eat $mysteryobject - from vegetable market, or city dump.'
01:40 ben_vulpes <mp_colonist> +ben_vulpes no idea how that happened. noobicle. << shit, vulpes. did you just get called by a girl ?! << read it again, and that to which it's a response.
01:40 asciilifeform (note that you could just as easily end up eating a dog turd from the market and a blade of grass from the dump)
01:40 asciilifeform but pedigree is all you have if $mysteryobject.
01:41 ben_vulpes i'm sadly intimately familiar with the turds in flight.
01:41 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> 'choose from where you will eat $mysteryobject - from vegetable market, or city dump.' I may be a poor subject for this one... I sometime pick Toxicodendron radicans for personal consumption
01:41 ben_vulpes pity the pauper.
01:45 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: kBez << gold
01:45 ben_vulpes a no scuse me 'gold'
01:45 BingoBoingo I find Toxicodendron radicans to resemble an oak-ish spin on mustard
01:46 BingoBoingo Maybe I have a future processing cashews?
01:48 xmj good morning
01:48 BingoBoingo Still I lean towards choosing market as a dog turd vendor likely won't last long.
01:48 xmj ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: my main question about paypal adding Bitcoin support is-
01:48 xmj ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: who the hell are they trying to Screw Over ?
01:49 xmj PayPal is one of the most annoyingly law-compliant payment processors I know. Their adding BTC cannot be a good sign
01:50 thestringpuller
01:51 ben_vulpes xmj: if you have to ask...
01:51 ben_vulpes remember that you're the one who insisted on taking a dependency on the aforementioned heathens.
01:52 ben_vulpes out of curiosity: did they ever remit?
01:55 xmj ?
01:55 xmj remit as in me getting the money onto my bank account?
01:56 BingoBoingo ;;sell 1 Roy Wood Sellars "The Philosophy of Physical Realism" at 1.5 BTC Shipping negotiable
01:56 gribble Error: 'Wood' is not a valid price input.
01:56 BingoBoingo ;;sell 1 "Roy Wood Sellars The Philosophy of Physical Realism" at 1.5 BTC Shipping negotiable
01:56 gribble Order id 21493 created.
01:58 ben_vulpes <decimation> mp_colonist: that's an interesting thought, you are probably right. it also makes the actions of the west w.r.t. money obviously 'dishonorable' << zero, one, infinity. a good wot may grant you a coin of honor.
01:59 ben_vulpes details of premine and network operation are hazy.
02:01 ben_vulpes consider though, the coin whose owner controls its network. 'mpexcoin' vs. 'goxcoin'. one trades at an indistinguishable discount (mp claims premium) from market, the other traded at a notable discount (eventually).
02:02 thestringpuller the insomniacs club!
02:02 thestringpuller now meeting in #b-a
02:02 ben_vulpes it ain't that late
02:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64899 @ 0.00075031 = 48.6944 BTC [-] {6}
02:03 BingoBoingo “We the people of Liberia were originally inhabitants of the United States of North America. … We were excluded from all participation in the government. We were taxed without our consent. … In coming to the shores of Africa, we indulged the pleasing hope we would be permitted to exercise and improve those faculties which impart to man his dignity …
02:09 xmj 09:02:29 <+thestringpuller> the insomniacs club!
02:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00074814 = 9.6884 BTC [-]
02:24 BingoBoingo !up wolverine
02:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00074794 = 7.5542 BTC [-] {2}
02:37 Bet created: "Bitcoin to remain at or above $400 for two months"
02:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00075417 = 14.7063 BTC [+] {2}
02:44 Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to remain at or above $400 for two months" Odds: 94(Y):6(N) by coin, 94(Y):6(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,988.
02:56 penguirker New blog post:
03:06 Naphex o/
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07:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13536 @ 0.00074755 = 10.1188 BTC [-]
07:22 kakobrekla wb
07:22 assbot ty
07:25 kakobrekla ah
07:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.00074843 = 6.0249 BTC [+]
07:44 kakobrekla bb up for the time being.
07:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00056952 = 0.5695 BTC [+] {5}
07:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1063 @ 0.00057399 = 0.6102 BTC [+] {2}
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08:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 124 @ 0.01099368 = 1.3632 BTC [-] {2}
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09:01 kakobrekla lmao:
09:15 The20YearIRCloud sounds like europe is leading the way!
09:17 kakobrekla how, with euro making new lows?
09:17 The20YearIRCloud KYC for internet users
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09:34 bounce both usa ("nstic") and eu are working on "internet passports", have been for a while too.
09:44 thestringpuller << that's a good one
09:44 assbot BitBet - NASA to discover intelligent alien life before 2015 :: 0.04 B (3%) on Yes, 1.13 B (97%) on No | closing in 2 months 1 week| weight: 22`736 (100`000 to 1)
09:50 xmj ahahah
09:50 xmj
09:50 assbot Couple to Get Married on the Bitcoin Blockchain at Disney Bitcoin Conference – Bitcoin Magazine
09:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3152 @ 0.00074732 = 2.3556 BTC [-]
09:52 xmj you kno
09:52 xmj the guy who gets married...
09:52 xmj is a friend of mine whose server i helped migrating... lol
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10:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1412 @ 0.000575 = 0.8119 BTC [+]
10:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00074732 = 12.9286 BTC [-]
10:58 ben_vulpes marriage. first thing a nascent government goes after.
10:58 kakobrekla < lol, so true, so true
10:58 assbot BitBet - India's Mars Orbiter Mission will succeed on schedule :: 0.16 B (25%) on Yes, 0.49 B (75%) on No | closed 2 days 14 hours ago
11:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00074777 = 16.4509 BTC [+]
11:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7307 @ 0.00074732 = 5.4607 BTC [-]
11:22 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
11:22 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 430.2, Best ask: 432.09, Bid-ask spread: 1.89000, Last trade: 432.09, 24 hour volume: 32648.91886848, 24 hour low: 394.0, 24 hour high: 452.67, 24 hour vwap: 430.767789311
11:22 mircea_popescu bah what sort of scam 330 is this
11:24 ben_vulpes
11:24 assbot rich homie
11:26 kakobrekla pasted per request;
11:27 mircea_popescu so was bitbet actually down ?
11:27 kakobrekla well bitbet was sort of down and assbot suffered the most
11:28 Apocalyptic kakobrekla, hard to tell if guy was serious or trolling
11:28 mircea_popescu poor assbot.
11:28 kakobrekla i dont know, i saw 'low orbit ion cannons cannons' and got scared.
11:28 ben_vulpes << amazing design
11:28 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
11:28 assbot MSHR
11:29 mircea_popescu Apocalyptic that's the new generation. sorta half-ass doing things and being "ironic" about them at the same time as a sort of multi-hedged insurance agaisnt the scary world.
11:29 kakobrekla imagine cannons shooting out whole cannons
11:29 * kakobrekla runs in the basement to hide.
11:29 Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, ahah
11:29 mircea_popescu can't say he's not tried. can't say he's really tried, either. can't say he's a faggot, not really, can'
11:29 mircea_popescu t say anything. aderpynymous!
11:30 artifexd Anybody else going to the bitcoin conference at Disney? With so many b-a'ers in FL, maybe a b-a get together is not out of line.
11:31 * mircea_popescu dusts off his technicality club insignia, proceeds to explain to kako difference between running in the basement to hide and running to hide in the basement. the first is like pouring vodka to drink, the latter like getting glass to pour vodka
11:31 mircea_popescu artifexd might be an idea. who all is in fl tho ?!
11:31 artifexd I don't remember. I remember it being a thing about there being several who are.
11:32 kakobrekla but i en up hidden and in the basement in both instances?
11:33 ben_vulpes << oh god oh god my bleeding eyes
11:33 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer
11:33 mircea_popescu kakobrekla perhaps!
11:33 mircea_popescu who's Peter Schiff again ?
11:35 kakobrekla im confused by this vodka example. are we getting drunk here or what?
11:36 mircea_popescu yeah we're getting drunk
11:36 kakobrekla got it!
11:36 TomServo mircea_popescu: American investment broker, author and financial commentator. Schiff is CEO and chief global strategist[4] of Euro Pacific Capital Inc., a broker-dealer based in Westport, Connecticut.[5] -According to pediwikia
11:36 mircea_popescu kakobrekla you know your secret agent reddit/4chan guy tried to "ddos" trilema earlier too
11:36 mircea_popescu he... failed.
11:36 TomServo Also a radio show
11:36 mircea_popescu TomServo aok.
11:36 mircea_popescu wondering if he's trolling bitbet or just being impersonated.
11:37 TomServo in which instance?
11:37 kakobrekla dunno, but i wouldnt mind to leave britney alone.
11:38 mircea_popescu Number of simultaneously running php and cgi scripts, as well as cron jobs and shell sessions: 65724 (max).
11:38 mircea_popescu that's not SO BAD is it ?
11:38 mircea_popescu TomServo
11:38 assbot BitBet - BTC worth over $5000 before 2015 :: 5.56 B (8%) on Yes, 63.92 B (92%) on No | closing in 2 months 1 week| weight: 22`415 (100`000 to 1)
11:40 mircea_popescu kakobrekla seriously, as assbot becomes more of a central piece of bitcoin infrastructure, more of this is to be expected.
11:40 mircea_popescu in other words : britney's getting her tits now and she's never EVER going to be left alone ever again.
11:40 kakobrekla britney needs a new bra.
11:40 asciilifeform or a death ray.
11:40 mircea_popescu and a new sex tape
11:41 mircea_popescu (lol of all time, in bar, people put their shit on table - phones keys etc - this hardcore highschooler chick that somewhat reminds me of miss julia t puts a huge bubblegum tape thing
11:41 mircea_popescu "what
11:42 mircea_popescu the hell is that ?!" "oh this ? it's my sex tape"
11:43 nubbins` so i just upgraded my laptop for the first time since i bought it in 2008
11:43 mircea_popescu you finally got someone to take that canadian bitcent? :D
11:43 nubbins` heh!
11:43 nubbins` in fact, i bought the RAM from newegg, altho i didn't use btc
11:43 nubbins`
11:43 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer
11:44 mircea_popescu (seinfeld line)
11:44 nubbins` ;/
11:44 mircea_popescu nubbins` is that good ?
11:44 nubbins` came with 2gb ram, the 8gb is noticeably better so far
11:45 nubbins` it loaded the SHIT out of this irc client
11:45 nubbins` processor is, well, a 6yo processor
11:45 mircea_popescu cool
11:45 nubbins` but for the work i do, it's irrelevant. all about the ram
11:45 nubbins` finally i can open 40k-node SVG files without weeping
11:46 mircea_popescu how many boobs is that ?
11:46 nubbins` over 9k
11:47 mircea_popescu 3.x nodes/boob ?!
11:47 nubbins` the nipple is just a point w/ heavy stroke
11:47 mircea_popescu are you a robot ?
11:47 * nubbins` oils penis
11:47 nubbins` does not compute
11:47 assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
11:47 mircea_popescu !b 2
11:47 nubbins` heh.
11:48 nubbins` 2015: "Best of Bash" hardcover silkscreened book released to critical acclaim
11:48 asciilifeform svg << anyone familiar with the atrocity will understand why everyone involved with 'xml' should be roasting in hell, with devils stoking the furnace with copies of the standards literature.
11:49 nubbins` asciilifeform it was actually XSLT which rekindled the flames of my misanthropy
11:49 asciilifeform yes, let's have massive 'plain text' representation for multi-MB turds that no human will ever read.
11:49 nubbins` but hey, it's the only open-source vector graphics standard we have
11:50 nubbins` we don't love it because it's pretty, we love it because it's the only one
11:50 asciilifeform nubbins`: let's eat shit, it's the only food we all have.
11:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i like plaintext, it's why i -a all my gpg
11:50 nubbins` alf OTHERWISE WE'LL STARVE ;(
11:50 nubbins` wait, is eps an open standard?
11:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: deliberate use of non-optimally-compact representation was justified with 'humans will read and write it without having to, horrors, use a program.'
11:51 asciilifeform (text editor, apparently, does not count as 'program')
11:51 mircea_popescu im not defending xml and its devil spawn
11:51 mircea_popescu but there is some merit in using ascii for data.
11:51 asciilifeform and so you get to use multiple GB of memory, to represent a few MB worth of picture.
11:52 asciilifeform isomorphic ascii representation of whatever-the-fuck-we-want can always be generated on demand.
11:52 mircea_popescu yeah
11:52 nubbins` i'm waiting for the part where stan explains what format i should be saving my graphics in
11:52 mircea_popescu i wouldn't use it to hold pics in memory
11:53 mircea_popescu nubbins` it doesn't exist yet.
11:53 nubbins` oh oh.
11:53 nubbins` well fuck
11:53 mircea_popescu ikr ? tell the customers to wait.
11:53 asciilifeform nubbins`: even 1980s-vintage 'postscript' - works.
11:53 * asciilifeform is actually fond of hand-cranked 'postscript'
11:53 * nubbins` ponders this
11:54 asciilifeform tastes great with 'latex'
11:54 mircea_popescu make all graphics latex files!
11:54 nubbins` hahah
11:54 mircea_popescu edit with emacs
11:54 nubbins` LaTeX: WYSINECTWYG
11:54 mircea_popescu WYSI^H^H^H^H@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
11:54 asciilifeform lol
11:55 * nubbins` used latex to produce every paper he ever wrote in uni
11:55 * asciilifeform also
11:55 mircea_popescu i used lates to make sex toys.
11:55 mircea_popescu latex*
11:55 nubbins` anyway, this is all a bit of a wank. at the end of the day, i have to convert all my graphics to adobe illustrator format
11:55 nubbins` so
11:55 mircea_popescu as to the papers, im pretty sure they were 99% vi
11:55 nubbins` call me when svg/eps supports CMYK color spaces
11:56 mircea_popescu nubbins` there was a hacked toghether non-adobe cymk format thing
11:56 nubbins` ew
11:56 mircea_popescu not sure if anyone other than correction typography used it
11:56 nubbins` i use proprietary 3rd-party drivers for my film printer, my hands are pretty tied on this
11:57 nubbins` inkscape: unfit for output
11:59 nubbins` for the curious:
11:59 assbot Accurip
11:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 3.70296136 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 322 satoshi per share
12:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.00074811 = 18.2539 BTC [+] {3}
12:00 nubbins` !t h peta
12:00 assbot [HAVELOCK:PETA] 1D: 0.00051500 / 0.00055845 / 0.00061000 (15921 shares, 8.89104610 BTC), 7D: 0.00051500 / 0.00066337 / 0.00075000 (59174 shares, 39.25406987 BTC), 30D: 0.00051041 / 0.0006593 / 0.00096000 (294788 shares, 194.35236153 BTC)
12:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.27252613 BTC to 15`097 shares, 8429 satoshi per share
12:06 mats_cd03
12:07 mats_cd03 RCE through bash CVE-2014-6271
12:10 nubbins` huh.
12:11 nubbins` that's a big one
12:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00074913 = 16.4059 BTC [+] {2}
12:31 asciilifeform bashbleed...
12:33 mircea_popescu o.O
12:33 mats_cd03 dont give anybody ideas asciilifeform
12:34 asciilifeform mats_cd03: complain to the fellow who inserted the 'bug'
12:34 mats_cd03 p soon there will be a website n a nice graphic
12:34 asciilifeform his 'idea' not mine.
12:34 mats_cd03 not everything is malicious, you know
12:34 * asciilifeform favours, e.g., 'headbash' vs 'bashbleed'
12:35 asciilifeform not everything is malicious << see the ancient thread (mp's?) re: whether it is useful to distinguish between sufficiently incompetent 'rangers' and actual scammers
12:35 mats_cd03 seen't it.
12:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform link ? :)
12:36 asciilifeform mats_cd03 linked above
12:36 mircea_popescu so basically all cgi calls have been forever vulnerable. thanks the world for php ?
12:36 asciilifeform
12:36 assbot oss-sec: CVE-2014-6271: remote code execution through bash
12:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no your most recent reference.
12:36 asciilifeform ah the other thing
12:37 asciilifeform !s incompetence
12:37 assbot 156 results for 'incompetence' :
12:37 asciilifeform ^ somewhere in there...
12:38 mircea_popescu Note that on Linux systems where /bin/sh is symlinked to /bin/bash,
12:38 mircea_popescu any popen() / system() calls from within languages such as PHP would
12:38 mircea_popescu be of concern due to the ability to control HTTP_* in the env.
12:39 nubbins` i hate the phrase "so there you have it"
12:40 nubbins` (was just watching a video of some asshole bending his new iphone)
12:41 nubbins` so there you have it, folks: you can bend a thin aluminum phone with your hands
12:41 nubbins` no fucking shit :/
12:42 kakobrekla i just tried mine. does not bend. does blend though.
12:44 kakobrekla (is not appleturdware - i really feel i need to express this.)
12:44 asciilifeform kakobrekla: what wasn't ?
12:44 kakobrekla what wasn't what ?
12:45 asciilifeform 'is not apple turdware'
12:46 kakobrekla well anything not apple is not apple turdware, just turdware.
12:46 kakobrekla but its a (now kinda old) android with unibody so i can hammer nails with it.
12:46 asciilifeform
12:46 assbot Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack | Red Hat Security
12:48 mircea_popescu !up wywialm
12:49 * mircea_popescu can't help thinking these people are idiots.
12:49 mircea_popescu i mean take a plumber. a plumber i can respect.
12:49 mircea_popescu but the cream of the crop of computer monkeys ? how. why.
12:50 kakobrekla a plumber destroyed my friends house last month.
12:50 mircea_popescu DHCP clients invoke shell scripts to configure the system, with values taken from a potentially malicious server. This would allow arbitrary commands to be run, typically as root, on the DHCP client machine.
12:50 nubbins` it's like showing up at richard branson's house and the hot&cold taps are reversed
12:51 kakobrekla liek 30k of damage and insurance is fighting to pay cause 'these things happen'.
12:51 nubbins` hmm, canada post claims force majeure in not delivering my package on time
12:51 mircea_popescu env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' bash -c "echo this is a test" << tester.
12:51 nubbins` those bastards
12:51 mircea_popescu kakobrekla hm.
12:51 mircea_popescu that's the best line i ever heard
12:52 mircea_popescu "we're not paying out insurance when things happen because things happen"
12:52 kakobrekla yep
12:52 kakobrekla its insane.
12:52 bounce sue, sue
12:52 nubbins` hm
12:52 nubbins` maybe the shitty plumber was also force majeure
12:52 nubbins` insurance company: "WE couldn't stop it from happening"
12:52 kakobrekla the problem is she has a little kido and needs to solve this before the winter
12:53 kakobrekla its gonna sue alright.
12:53 kakobrekla !up CheckDavid
12:53 CheckDavid Thanks kakobrekla
12:55 CheckDavid Insurance firms are now in the business of insuring things that don't happen? Amazing business model
12:55 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
12:55 CheckDavid Lolol
12:56 CheckDavid Clause N° 742 - if something happens, it is not covered by this plan
12:56 penguirker New blog post:
12:57 Duffer1 oh kakobrekla how did that bitsurant / bitbet turn out?
12:58 mircea_popescu bash: warning: x: ignoring function definition attempt bash: error importing function definition for `x' <<< patched bash sez
12:58 kakobrekla havent heard from any of them
12:58 kakobrekla maybe MP did
12:58 nubbins` mp's gender-related posts are so cringey
12:58 Duffer1 aww :( that was highly entertaining
12:58 kakobrekla iirc they said they will publish it somewhere sometime
12:59 kakobrekla as their first case or smth
12:59 mircea_popescu Duffer1 i have nfi what is this again ?
12:59 Duffer1 lol awesome
12:59 kakobrekla i figured it out though
13:00 Duffer1 some tool bet 1btc on bitbet after the outcome was known, then tried to use the blockchain to say he bet in time, got refunded .99btc, then had some bitsurant derp try to claim winnings
13:00 kakobrekla now cex and bitfinex has losing only assets and icbit wanted to have that too
13:00 kakobrekla so thats why they will now sell insurance on icbit
13:00 kakobrekla and sell it on bitsurant
13:01 kakobrekla to other party
13:01 mircea_popescu im confused.
13:01 mircea_popescu we're not seriously discussing a bitcent are we ?
13:01 kakobrekla should say issue insurance on bitsurant
13:01 Duffer1 yep
13:01 kakobrekla mircea_popescu pirate started with satoshi
13:01 mircea_popescu so if you insure a bitcent how much is the policy cost ? fiddy satoshi ?
13:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 732 @ 0.00074975 = 0.5488 BTC [+]
13:02 kakobrekla btcjam started with satoshi
13:02 kakobrekla still full operational chumpatron
13:02 kakobrekla fully*
13:02 mircea_popescu so is teh usg.
13:03 kakobrekla sure
13:03 kakobrekla no wait, INsure!
13:03 mircea_popescu lol
13:04 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i bet you not more than three people have read the bash code since 1999.
13:04 mircea_popescu i tell you, if my signaturss thing existed people would at least KNOW what a fucking fraud this foss bs is
13:04 mircea_popescu "o, many eyes". WHAT many eyes.
13:04 mircea_popescu no fucking eyes, and even less brains.
13:07 asciilifeform 'many eyes, many eyes!' he said, pointing at meat, with flies.
13:08 assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
13:08 kakobrekla !b 5
13:08 kakobrekla such poetry
13:08 asciilifeform loletry.
13:08 bounce eh, meat. who wants to meet meat?
13:09 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: consider though, the coin whose owner controls its network. <<< pedigree of owner is of import in a situation of absent information.
13:10 asciilifeform << came up last night...
13:10 assbot Logged on 24-09-2014 05:39:28; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: importance of pedigree is proportional to information poverty.
13:10 mircea_popescu << lol pretty good.
13:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i was pretty much directly quoting fro mlog :)
13:11 asciilifeform aha
13:13 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: precisely the point. owner's pedigree is the only thing backing a premined coin whose mining network is controlled entirely by the owner.
13:14 ben_vulpes %t
13:14 atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 198 Ask: 266 Last Price: 266 24h-Vol: 0k High: 266 Low: 266 VWAP: 266
13:14 thestringpuller anyone from bitpay in WoT?
13:15 thestringpuller or are they just anti-wot cause they want to make their own via facebook...
13:15 thestringpuller !seach get bits
13:15 thestringpuller !search get bits
13:15 assbot 149 results for 'get bits' :
13:16 mircea_popescu thestringpuller josh rossi works or used to work there
13:16 kakobrekla he is liek everywhere
13:16 thestringpuller what's his wot handle?
13:16 mircea_popescu ;;ident mjr_
13:16 gribble Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
13:17 mircea_popescu ;;gpg info mjr_
13:17 gribble No such user registered.
13:17 kakobrekla cept on irc
13:17 mircea_popescu uh
13:17 mircea_popescu wtf was it
13:17 Apocalyptic thestringpuller, maybe jgarzik is
13:17 thestringpuller ;;gettrust jgarzik
13:17 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user jgarzik: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Mon Nov 8 13:35:30 2010
13:17 thestringpuller yea he is a lead dev there
13:17 kakobrekla ;;gpg info mjr
13:17 gribble No such user registered.
13:18 mircea_popescu !s mjr_
13:18 assbot 5826 results for 'mjr_' :
13:18 thestringpuller !s from:mjr
13:18 assbot 5301 results for 'from:mjr' :
13:19 mircea_popescu thestringpuller
13:19 assbot Logged on 16-04-2014 16:43:33; mjr_: ;;ident
13:20 thestringpuller elusive like smickles I see
13:21 kakobrekla ;;rate josh_rossi 1 met IRL back in the day
13:21 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user josh_rossi has been recorded.
13:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22803 @ 0.00075196 = 17.1469 BTC [+] {2}
13:35 kakobrekla
13:35 kakobrekla and they didnt even go as far as mars (in the movie).
13:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4567 @ 0.0007542 = 3.4444 BTC [+]
13:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'the best eulogy is suicide on the grave' << 47 ronin!
13:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00075026 = 5.8895 BTC [-] {2}
13:55 asciilifeform << not the glorious turd tower that is 'headbash', but still great.
13:55 assbot consolecowboys: Arris Cable Modem Backdoor - I'm a technician, trust me.
13:59 asciilifeform << aha this is where it was. (story of naggum and his death by tax.)
13:59 assbot Erik Naggum in memoriam | Pernille Nylehns blog
14:00 asciilifeform 'Erik of course, argued. For years and years. And he wouldn’t pay ANY tax because they were so unreasonable. And then of course he did become guilty of tax evasion, and their tax claim just grew and grew. As a refsult, he couldn’t own anything because it would be confiscated, couldn’t earn money because they would take most of it … and so on. After some years, everything in his life was influenced, and p
14:00 asciilifeform oisoned, by this. I won’t say he was paranoid, but he became very wary and suspicious, and had real trouble trusting people. And his medical condition just got worse and worse...'
14:06 thestringpuller So Naggum would have lived if he had paid taxes?
14:07 asciilifeform thestringpuller:
14:07 assbot Re: Dead software (was: A draft business plan for free software LISP vendors) - Naggum cll archive
14:07 asciilifeform (about 1/3 in)
14:10 asciilifeform thestringpuller: naggum figured out that he could work ~3 months per year and earn the same money, on account of the strange tax laws of his country
14:10 asciilifeform and so he did. but didn't realize what would happen next.
14:11 asciilifeform the local bureaucrats did not believe that he used the remaining year to relax in his library, carry on as polymathic scholar unencumered by day job (a la taleb)
14:11 asciilifeform they assumed that he's whoring under the table.
14:11 asciilifeform and demanded their cut.
14:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00075348 = 8.7404 BTC [+]
14:21 mircea_popescu thestringpuller perhaps not, but the norwegian government would have survived had it not assasinated naggum.
~ 32 minutes ~
14:53 jurov
14:53 assbot Handwrytten Robot in Action! - YouTube
14:53 The20YearIRCloud .
14:54 The20YearIRCloud how's that tax work asciilifeform ?
14:54 asciilifeform The20YearIRCloud: ~100% after certain threshold. -- if you really give a damn, ask a norwegian.
14:56 asciilifeform jurov: similar machines - but entirely mechanical, no computer - existed since early 20th c., and are still used by american politicians to 'sign' documents.
14:56 asciilifeform << vendor.
14:56 assbot Signature Machines - The Autopen Company
14:57 asciilifeform ^ now digital, sure. lusers.
15:10 ben_vulpes ;;ident jaycutler6969
15:10 gribble Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
15:10 ben_vulpes ;;gpg info jaycutler6969
15:10 gribble No such user registered.
15:11 asciilifeform !
15:12 The20YearIRCloud oh my
15:13 asciilifeform is there... a fungus among us ?
15:13 kakobrekla jaycutler6969 level1: 0, level2: 3
15:13 mats_cd03 a meow
15:14 asciilifeform ;;gpg info jaycutler6969
15:14 gribble No such user registered.
15:14 kakobrekla irc nick != wot nick
15:14 kakobrekla ;;gpg info [ident kakobrekla]
15:14 gribble User 'kakobrekla', with keyid 27AF75321F2489E8, fingerprint 27C3CE9A20851312F086268C27AF75321F2489E8, and bitcoin address None, registered on Fri May 13 18:04:32 2011, last authed on Wed Sep 24 13:20:49 2014. . Currently authenticated from hostmask kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla .
15:14 kakobrekla but he is gone now.
15:14 kakobrekla so cant ident
15:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.0007542 = 6.5993 BTC [+]
15:16 lobbes
15:16 assbot Syria Becomes the 7th Predominantly Muslim Country Bombed by 2009 Nobel Peace Laureate - The Intercept
15:17 wywialm asciilifeform, I was waiting for the opportunity to thank you for introducing me to the writings of Erik Naggum through your blog posts. So - thank you.
15:18 asciilifeform wywialm: you're welcome.
15:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11170 @ 0.00075198 = 8.3996 BTC [-] {2}
15:25 diametric wat.
15:27 diametric its always fun talking in a channel and not realizing I don't have voice because my IRC client is dumb and outputs the error to another window that I routinely ignore.
15:31 kakobrekla lol
15:31 kakobrekla now you know why nobody likes you!
15:35 mircea_popescu diametric so what did you say ?
15:35 diametric i don't remember, just comments to things here and there over the last few days.
15:35 diametric nothing important.
15:36 * asciilifeform habitually checks - on account of frequent netsplits
15:36 asciilifeform diametric: ^ good pill against this situation
15:36 diametric yeah, I'm bad at reading the logs.
15:37 kakobrekla if you see assbot then you wont see anything new in the log
15:38 kakobrekla this is re split
15:39 asciilifeform well yes.
15:39 kakobrekla you get parted from assbot often? me - no.
15:39 asciilifeform often enough to remember that it is possible.
15:39 kakobrekla :)
15:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 750 @ 0.0007542 = 0.5657 BTC [+]
15:40 mircea_popescu britni will never part with you kako
15:41 kakobrekla cept when ddosed :(
15:41 kakobrekla time to get more boxes me thinks.
15:42 mircea_popescu more boxers for britni!
15:47 jurov ;;seen britni
15:47 gribble I have not seen britni.
15:48 asciilifeform ;;seen the elephant
15:48 gribble (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. <nick> may contain * as a wildcard.
15:48 jurov ;;seen *
15:48 gribble * could be asciilifeform (35 seconds ago), <last> (35 seconds ago), jurov (1 minute and 5 seconds ago), mircea_popescu (6 minutes and 12 seconds ago), kakobrekla (7 minutes and 3 seconds ago), assbot (8 minutes and 29 seconds ago), diametric (12 minutes and 8 seconds ago), wywialm (31 minutes and 9 seconds ago), lobbes (32 minutes and 22 seconds ago), mats_cd03 (35 minutes and 5 seconds ago), (50 more messages)
15:49 jurov ohmy
15:49 jurov and who is <last> ?
15:50 kakobrekla who is (50 more messages) is better question!
15:50 kakobrekla last is obv last
15:50 kakobrekla same timestamp!
15:50 jurov ;;more
15:50 gribble The20YearIRCloud (36 minutes and 18 seconds ago), ben_vulpes (38 minutes and 3 seconds ago), thestringpuller (1 hour, 42 minutes, and 4 seconds ago), Apocalyptic (2 hours, 31 minutes, and 39 seconds ago), atcbot (2 hours, 34 minutes, and 11 seconds ago), bounce (2 hours, 40 minutes, and 15 seconds ago), Duffer1 (2 hours, 47 minutes, and 29 seconds ago), nubbins` (2 hours, 50 minutes, and 39 (49 more messages)
15:50 kakobrekla just 49 to go.
15:50 jurov ;;more
15:50 gribble seconds ago), penguirker (2 hours, 52 minutes, and 21 seconds ago), CheckDavid (2 hours, 52 minutes, and 27 seconds ago), TomServo (4 hours, 11 minutes, and 41 seconds ago), artifexd (4 hours, 17 minutes, and 2 seconds ago), xmj (5 hours, 56 minutes, and 6 seconds ago), davout (8 hours, 36 minutes, and 5 seconds ago), Naphex (12 hours, 42 minutes, and 13 seconds ago), []bot (13 hours, 4 (48 more messages)
15:51 jurov only for you kako
15:51 kakobrekla awww <3
15:51 jurov ohhh, poor []bot
15:51 The20YearIRCloud Hmm?
15:51 jurov just general mischief
15:51 kakobrekla ;;seen [last]
15:51 gribble I have not seen just general mischief.
15:52 kakobrekla hm ok
15:52 nubbins` nanotube :D
15:53 mircea_popescu lmao
15:53 mircea_popescu ;;seen [ticker-last]
15:53 gribble Error: "ticker-last" is not a valid command.
15:53 mircea_popescu uh lol
15:53 kakobrekla ;;seen [ticker --last]
15:53 gribble I have not seen 427.72.
15:53 mircea_popescu ;;seen drop table;-- ?
15:53 gribble (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. <nick> may contain * as a wildcard.
15:53 kakobrekla ;;seen boby_tables?
15:53 gribble I have not seen boby_tables?.
15:54 mircea_popescu ;;seen fu*
15:54 gribble fu* could be fulloffantasies (11 weeks, 5 days, 7 hours, 16 minutes, and 36 seconds ago), FUDdealer (45 weeks, 0 days, 19 hours, 9 minutes, and 8 seconds ago), fupafooder (52 weeks, 0 days, 0 hours, 36 minutes, and 23 seconds ago), furuknap (1 year, 11 weeks, 1 day, 15 hours, 40 minutes, and 16 seconds ago), furuknap_ (1 year, 12 weeks, 5 days, 17 hours, 17 minutes, and 21 seconds (2 more messages)
15:54 kakobrekla ;;seen [random]
15:54 gribble Error: The command "random" is available in the Dict and Factoids plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "random".
15:54 kakobrekla wanst some random there
15:55 kakobrekla ;;seen [bc,convert eur]
15:55 gribble I have not seen 1 BTC = 429.74 USD = 336.228576 eur.
15:55 kakobrekla but it was!!
15:55 kakobrekla i swear.
15:55 asciilifeform ;;seen [seen]
15:56 gribble I haven't seen anyone matching (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. <nick> may contain * as a wildcard..
15:56 mircea_popescu lmao
15:56 kakobrekla ;;seen [seen[seen]]
15:56 gribble I haven't seen anyone matching I haven't seen anyone matching (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. <nick> may contain * as a wildcard...
15:56 mircea_popescu ;;seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
15:56 gribble Error: Spurious "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
15:56 asciilifeform student exercise: derive 'y combinator' on this formalism.
15:57 mircea_popescu its pretty much pissoble.
15:57 asciilifeform extra points, prove universality.
15:58 mircea_popescu ;;seen [env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' bash -c "echo this is a test"]
15:58 gribble Error: "env" is not a valid command.
15:58 nubbins` ;;seen [seen *]
15:58 gribble An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
15:58 mircea_popescu aww
15:58 nubbins` oh shit he told on me
15:58 asciilifeform lulzies
15:58 nubbins` D:
15:58 mircea_popescu ;;seen [roulette]
15:58 gribble I haven't seen anyone matching *click*.
15:59 nubbins` heh
15:59 nubbins` ;;seen [coin]
15:59 gribble I have not seen tails.
15:59 mircea_popescu lmao
15:59 kakobrekla lol
15:59 jurov ;;later tell jurov env x='() { :;}; rm -rf /' bash -c "echo this is a test"
15:59 gribble The operation succeeded.
15:59 asciilifeform ;;seen [up mrspam]
15:59 gribble Error: "up" is not a valid command.
15:59 mircea_popescu ;;seen [echo !up pampam]
15:59 gribble I have not seen !up pampam.
16:00 nubbins` ;;seen [eauth nubbins`]
16:00 gribble I have not seen Request successful for user nubbins`, hostmask nubbins`! Get your encrypted OTP from
16:00 mircea_popescu lmao
16:00 mircea_popescu apparently we can be endlessly entertained by an accidental reimplementation of malboge
16:00 nubbins` ;;seen [echo ,,rate nubbins` 1 good guy]
16:00 gribble I have not seen ,,rate nubbins` 1 good guy.
16:01 kakobrekla ;;seen [rate kakobrekla 1 noice]
16:01 mircea_popescu ;;seen ( . )( . )
16:01 gribble Error: This command cannot be used in a nested context.
16:01 gribble (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. <nick> may contain * as a wildcard.
16:01 asciilifeform malbolge << befunge.
16:01 mircea_popescu ;;seen "( . )( . )"
16:01 gribble I have not seen ( . )( . ).
16:02 nubbins` third nip
16:02 artifexd poor sheltered gribble
16:02 mircea_popescu what shelter is that i say.
16:02 nubbins` ;;seen [sell 1 "GRIBS t-shirt" @ 1 btc]
16:02 gribble I have not seen Order id 21499 created..
16:02 * nubbins` claps
16:02 nubbins` ;;seen [view 21499]
16:02 gribble I have not seen #21499 Wed Sep 24 16:02:15 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 GRIBS t-shirt @ 1 btc (None).
16:02 kakobrekla hah
16:03 kakobrekla wd
16:03 mircea_popescu ahh sweet people buying trilema credits i love you ever so
16:03 nubbins` true story, i lost ~60 creds when i wiped this computer
16:03 mircea_popescu by now im selling like 1-2 bitcents' worht a day
16:03 mircea_popescu technically enough for a living.
16:03 * asciilifeform still innocent of the act of buying honest trilema tickets
16:04 nubbins` technically so!
16:04 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what you bought contraband ?
16:04 nubbins` not unheard of
16:04 Duffer1 lmao aftermarket cookies?
16:04 asciilifeform aftermarket ips.
16:04 nubbins` nothing stopping you from sharing your token
16:05 nubbins` mp, put another way, does this mean you're selling a thousand articles a day?
16:06 mircea_popescu i think more currently.
16:06 mircea_popescu << it's got so bad im targeted by scamvertisers.
16:06 assbot Bitcoin Address 16crkmdoaK6Tq8NP3FVK7Uxq5Dwdicb3c3
16:07 penguirker New blog post:
16:08 Duffer1 cheap ones too
16:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: thick cat is thick!
16:09 mircea_popescu Duffer1 people who know they're wasting their time/resources tend to engage in this bizarre rationalizing process whereby by reducing the expense their wasted effort is... less wasted ?
16:09 mircea_popescu i dunno
16:10 Duffer1 so it seems
16:10 asciilifeform wasted effort << what effort.
16:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform kinda my point.
16:11 mircea_popescu that one's not even tried is a poor excuse for one having failed.
16:11 * asciilifeform puzzled
16:11 kakobrekla monkey see monkey do
16:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform do you dispute some party somewhere is trying to advertise something there ?
16:11 asciilifeform aha that!
16:11 kakobrekla if it works - another matter.
16:11 * asciilifeform thought the thread was about trilema tokens
16:12 mircea_popescu "well you didn't manage" "well we didn't really try" "o i see"
16:12 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah some derp with a 1 satoshi commented tx
16:12 asciilifeform bci is spam magnet, sure.
16:13 mircea_popescu jesus this is easily the most batshit insane stuff i've seen this week.
16:13 mircea_popescu "NYT: talented poor not choosing to attend good colleges"
16:13 mircea_popescu "But if, as the Times reports, these students do not even know of the existence of better colleges in America, and they have absolutely no aspiration to attend any schools that are outside their local area, how smart and talented could they be? They appear to have very small horizongs and little knowledge of and little curiosity in the world. Don’t very smart people tend to have large horizons?. My guess is that the
16:13 mircea_popescu Times is doing its usual rationalizations for the intellectual and other deficiencies of blacks. I did not read the entire article,but I’d say that it’s fair possibility that it ends up asserting that these students are culturally and geographically isolated by racial discrimination and by the lack of special federal programs that inform them of the existence of better schools. .The eternal top-priority project and
16:13 mircea_popescu moral obligation of Liberal America (America 2.0)—at unlimited cost in societal effort, taxpayers’ money, and orchestrated white guilt—is to render blacks in general as functional as whites in general. And that will never happen. And no one who makes his living in mainstream America dare say it.."
16:13 mircea_popescu but then, a commenter : "Daniel F. writes: I saw from Steve Sailer’s post on the same article that the low-income, high-aptitude cohort under discussion is 69 percent white and 15 percent Asian. So the large majority of the kids at issue are white."
16:13 mircea_popescu so the response ? "Thanks for the correction. But I wonder if that information was in the Times article (which, again, I didn’t read the whole of and was only making a reasonable speculation on, based on past Timesean behavor), or only in the Sailer post."
16:13 Duffer1 i wonder if i have to report that one bitcent i got from a scamvertiser as income...
16:14 mircea_popescu Duffer1 was 1 satoshi
16:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: << similar.
16:14 assbot Logged on 19-09-2014 00:00:23; asciilifeform: << highly relevant
16:14 Duffer1 i mean the one i got a while ago .0001
16:15 kakobrekla Duffer1 return to sender.
16:15 Duffer1
16:15 assbot Bitcoin Address 1MHKhfiC7AgZdErt9b8xkXbcKoWSxPjJgG
16:16 Duffer1 oh .00001 :/
16:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1808 @ 0.00058297 = 1.054 BTC [-] {2}
16:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform someone actually said this derp is "the blogging career that stands out on the Internet and in the history of American letters as a tour de force of philosophical and cultural insight". because epistula non erubescit or some shit.
16:17 asciilifeform
16:17 assbot Shots from a voyage pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
16:18 diametric
16:18 assbot Heres the real reason iPhones are bending - MarketWatch
16:18 diametric my sides hurt from laughter.
16:18 * asciilifeform can probably identify the rest of them, too, but can't be bothered
16:18 diametric This reads like an Onion article.
16:19 mircea_popescu wow that guy still exists ?!
16:20 mircea_popescu
16:20 assbot George Carlin - Things You Never See - YouTube
16:21 rithm #bendgazi
16:24 * asciilifeform turns around, looks at shelf
16:24 asciilifeform damn it
16:24 asciilifeform it's the same book, different edition!
16:24 mircea_popescu you're too escitable :)
16:25 asciilifeform the light switch is soviet SOP, though.
16:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: friend's house ?
16:25 mircea_popescu nah just some woman
16:28 asciilifeform she grows a 'grade A' microjaguar.
16:28 mircea_popescu riverside. i think they pretty much grow themselves.
16:36 mircea_popescu !up Decima|
~ 23 minutes ~
17:00 asciilifeform << for other wretched n00bs in my situation
17:00 assbot Tramming a Mill
17:00 asciilifeform ^ pictured is 'adult' machine, but geometry is 'one for all of us, like victory.'
~ 21 minutes ~
17:22 thestringpuller bitpay is here
17:22 thestringpuller they spend way too much money on swag
17:33 RagnarDanneskjol mod6 - P2Pool comes with a json api embedded. returns a json string that has the pool information. does this fit requirements for teh bot?
~ 30 minutes ~
18:04 thestringpuller 3 key factors in a hot wallet
18:04 thestringpuller * UX
18:04 thestringpuller * Ability to easily make purchases/transactions
18:04 thestringpuller * Security
18:04 thestringpuller the latter one should be #1
18:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00075375 = 16.0549 BTC [-] {2}
18:14 penguirker New blog post:
18:21 mircea_popescu kakobrekla ^
18:24 kakobrekla aha
18:27 kakobrekla bb is configured to only take a very small part of server resources atm.
18:27 kakobrekla so you can knock it down easier i guess.
18:28 kakobrekla if you are after http server
18:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00075375 = 4.8617 BTC [-]
18:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 98 @ 0.14235895 = 13.9512 BTC [-] {23}
18:33 mircea_popescu kakobrekla in any case 100 hits/second is pretty heavy.
18:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3177 @ 0.00075422 = 2.3962 BTC [+] {2}
18:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7273 @ 0.00075424 = 5.4856 BTC [+]
18:43 mircea_popescu << possibly the most idiotic thing i read all week.
18:43 assbot Archipelago and Atomic Communitarianism | Slate Star Codex
18:43 mircea_popescu it seems i say that a lot these days.
18:43 thestringpuller the bitpay people seem relatively sane
18:54 bounce sanity as currency. distilled and captured in shiny coins.
18:55 mircea_popescu idiocy'd be more abundant.
18:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00075424 = 13.614 BTC [+] {2}
19:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform << decent example of the moldavian exploitation of russian.
19:03 assbot Mnnc i plng. Plng i mnnc…btaie…
19:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.0007527 = 4.2151 BTC [-] {2}
19:07 mircea_popescu "bărbații discutau despre zapceasti, porșni, zadnii hod și zajiganie" <> "the men were talking of запчасти, поршни, задний ход and зажигание." etc
19:08 asciilifeform lol!
19:08 asciilifeform dafuq!
19:09 mircea_popescu i've been tellin' you, but tellin' is one thing and showing another
19:10 asciilifeform then again, the blather of, e.g., a russian programmer, probably sounds rather similar to this - to english speaker
19:11 mircea_popescu quite.
19:11 asciilifeform 'soviet informatik' terminology like цикл (cycle) for 'loop' is, afaik, only remembered by the older folks who came of age on '70s-'80s books
19:11 asciilifeform (or apprenticed, prior)
19:13 mircea_popescu cycle happens to be a bad word for loop.
19:13 asciilifeform why? cyclical flow graph.
19:14 mircea_popescu because cycle has this connotation of immutability, whereas loop is adequately derpy.
19:15 dignork asciilifeform: цикл it is, how is it called nowadays?
19:15 * asciilifeform has heard various angloabominations
19:16 dignork луп? sounds funny
19:16 mircea_popescu lup ftw :D
19:16 mircea_popescu (wolf, in romanian)
19:16 dignork because залупа, лупоглазый etc.
19:16 asciilifeform the kind homo homini x est ?
19:16 asciilifeform lol!
19:16 mircea_popescu yup
19:17 mircea_popescu zalupa hahaha
19:17 mircea_popescu i tell you, it's perfect.
19:21 * asciilifeform grumbles at having purchased a 'dial indicator' instead of a 'dial test indicator' - entirely different animals
19:24 kakobrekla at least you didnt get a plant.
19:26 pete_dushenski unless it was nuclear.
19:26 pete_dushenski nuless it was unclear.
19:29 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: the question that almost begs to be asked is whether haakon (cortez, whoever) would immediately seize upon modern tech as being the product of long-dead wizards, as it is. << any books to recommend on cortez?
19:29 pete_dushenski and entirely unrelatably, venice?
19:32 * pete_dushenski hungry for history books
19:45 pete_dushenski thestringpuller: anyone from bitpay in WoT? << ayup.
19:45 assbot Rating Details for User 'Pierre_Rochard'
19:45 pete_dushenski ;;lastseen pierre_rochard
19:45 gribble Error: "lastseen" is not a valid command.
19:45 pete_dushenski ;;seen pierre_rochard
19:45 gribble pierre_rochard was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 weeks, 6 days, 0 hours, 44 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <Pierre_Rochard> mircea_popescu: ah, well I’ll myself out then
19:46 mats_cd03 << i have been enjoying this recently. re: BeOS, but a decent primer on how file systems work, too.
19:47 pete_dushenski duty calls, hasta manana.
19:50 thestringpuller thanks pete hopefully you see this in the log
19:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1725 @ 0.00075193 = 1.2971 BTC [-]
19:54 mircea_popescu lmao thios guy.
19:54 BingoBoingo !s woodchipper fan fiction
19:54 assbot 0 results for 'woodchipper fan fiction' :
19:54 mircea_popescu ;;later tell pete_dushenski lord norwich is the english authority on venice
19:54 gribble The operation succeeded.
19:56 mircea_popescu le origini di venezia etc for italian speakers.
19:59 BingoBoingo So the Virtual girlfriend <hashlet> fanboys found my post
19:59 assbot What the Fuck is a Hashlet? | Bingo Blog
20:03 mircea_popescu "Fluffypony, mircea popescu's asslicking troll buddy, watch out for these disinformation merchants also"
20:03 mircea_popescu dude wut
20:03 fluffypony wait wut
20:04 fluffypony where's that from
20:07 mircea_popescu our sustained pr campaign for a second
20:07 mircea_popescu don't pretend like you don't know.
20:07 mircea_popescu
20:07 assbot The Truth About Monero's Risto Pietila (rpietila XMR)
20:08 fluffypony oh shit I didn't even see that
20:08 fluffypony I had no idea you were all-in on Monero
20:08 fluffypony :-P
20:08 mircea_popescu i have no idea what monero even is.
20:09 mircea_popescu so technically spewaking i'm all out.
20:09 mircea_popescu !s monero
20:09 assbot 56 results for 'monero' :
20:09 kakobrekla busted
20:09 kakobrekla you dont read logs.
20:09 mats_cd03 20:08:34 <+fluffypony> I had no idea you were all-in on Monero
20:09 mircea_popescu < that.
20:09 assbot Logged on 09-09-2014 14:10:58; mircea_popescu: hey fluffypony do you plan to eventually sell the monero idea here once it reaches some sort of maturity or do you just plan to wait indefinitely for b-a to figure it out ?
20:09 mats_cd03 20:08:59 <+mircea_popescu> i have no idea what monero even is.
20:09 mats_cd03 i loled.
20:09 assbot Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
20:09 fluffypony !bash 7
20:10 mod6 RagnarDanneskjol: yeah, I noticed that. I'll work on it.
20:10 mircea_popescu ;;isdown
20:10 gribble Error: "isdown" is not a valid command.
20:10 mircea_popescu ;;isitdown
20:10 gribble is up
20:10 mircea_popescu hm
20:11 mircea_popescu moar dosing!
20:11 kakobrekla a yea i recall
20:11 assbot The Monero Free For All Thread
20:11 fluffypony this entire "attack" has been such a fail
20:11 fluffypony BCX sucks
20:12 fluffypony I was hopign for fireworks
20:12 fluffypony I was TOLD there would be fireworks
20:12 fluffypony and literally all we did was roll a couple of extra checkpoints just in case, and asked exchanges to suspend deposits / withdrawals on the presumption of fireworks
20:14 fluffypony waste of a good shit-show if you ask me
20:15 fluffypony also can I get hanbot for our "sustained paid PR campaign" ?
20:15 fluffypony :-P
20:17 xmj g'morning
20:18 xmj fluffypony: how are your monero port efforts doing?
20:19 fluffypony xmj: good, FreeBSD compataibility is being mainained
20:20 xmj fluffypony: cool :)
20:20 mircea_popescu i thought she was banned.
20:20 mircea_popescu anyway, what is bcx
20:20 xmj ever found a minion to create+submit a port for it that we could commit?
20:21 fluffypony xmj: not yet, it's on the list
20:21 xmj :)
20:21 fluffypony mircea_popescu: BitcoinExpress
20:21 mircea_popescu BitCoin-Express Basic. Unlimited Data Space Unlimited Monthly Traffic 1 Domain Hosted Free VPN Access (5 GB) Browsable Daily Backups
20:21 mircea_popescu mkay...
20:24 fluffypony here
20:24 fluffypony an overview
20:24 fluffypony
20:24 assbot BitcoinEXpress - self made legend?
20:27 mircea_popescu dude all these ephemereal legends nobody heard of, nobody'll hear of.
20:28 fluffypony where is the "fluffypony - a legend's legend?" forum post
20:28 fluffypony I am disappoint
20:28 mircea_popescu " his crypto skills ". where puas move on
20:29 mircea_popescu basically tardstalk is by now goons trolling goons.
20:29 fluffypony yeah bitcointalk has gone way past eternal September
20:29 fluffypony and entered full on scamforums mode
20:32 fluffypony ok I'm out, cheers
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21:04 mod6 %p
21:05 atcbot >> No data returned from << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.39 TH/s
21:05 mod6 %p2p
21:05 atcbot [P2P Hashrate]: 1.39 TH/s
21:05 mod6 %ispace
21:05 atcbot [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s
21:06 mod6 RagnarDanneskjol: ok, all set.
21:06 RagnarDanneskjol cool
21:06 mod6 If another month goes by without any coinminer data, i'll just pull it.
21:06 RagnarDanneskjol k
21:06 mircea_popescu sounds legit.
21:07 mod6 Just sick of seeing it without data. heheh.
21:11 mod6 oh, and RagnarDanneskjol, if you see that P2P pool changes its name to something else, let me know. thanks!
21:11 RagnarDanneskjol will do
21:23 BingoBoingo Time to go short on corn prices
21:23 assbot Metro-east news from Belleville, IL | Belleville News-Democrat
21:28 decimation asciilifeform: I watched the Kalman Reti smbx video, got a flavor of the unqiueness of symbolics hardware
21:29 BingoBoingo That was a good one
21:29 decimation what intrigued me was the mention of the vlsi design software that was written in lisp
21:40 BingoBoingo Oh there's a media outlet worse than >>
21:40 assbot ESPN Suspends Bill Simmons Three Weeks Over Goodell Criticism
21:46 mircea_popescu wait
21:46 mircea_popescu they're suspending these people now for what they SAY ?!
21:46 mircea_popescu don't even have to do anywthing ?
21:47 mircea_popescu a nm thought it
21:47 mircea_popescu s some athlete
21:49 mircea_popescu kakobrekla etc
21:49 assbot BitBet - Alibaba shares above 115 before November 25th :: 0.08 B (47%) on Yes, 0.09 B (53%) on No | closing in 1 month 3 weeks | weight: 92`819 (100`000 to 1)
21:49 assbot Bitcoin Address 1BR82MnZ2XdYM1R7Csdg9oaaoz3qEbW3S2
21:49 assbot BitBet - Billion dollar bet? :: 1.01 B (15%) on Yes, 5.72 B (85%) on No | closing in 5 months 1 week| weight: 96`757 (100`000 to 1)
21:49 mircea_popescu lol
21:52 nubbins`
21:52 assbot Do gut bacteria rule our minds? | University of California
21:53 peterl is it more likely that 2 million bitcoins will be bet on that bet or that the price of bitcoin will rise 1000x?
21:54 thestringpuller damn that would be a phenomenon of sorts
21:54 thestringpuller if the billion dollar bet resolves yes
21:54 thestringpuller the b-h will 99% likely resolve yes too
21:54 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Not an athlete, a reporter. Suspended for... Gasp... Reporting!!!
22:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 1000 @ 0.00149131 = 1.4913 BTC [+] {6}
22:06 cazalla lol paypal increasing charge back period from 45 days to 180
22:07 cazalla so now cheeky cunts can mine for 180 days and send it back for refund
22:21 ben_vulpes <decimation> what intrigued me was the mention of the vlsi design software that was written in lisp << me too. has the source been lost?
22:22 decimation that was my question. the follow-up question being: does the vlsi design exist (presumably in vhdl)?
22:36 mircea_popescu peterl good q.
22:37 mircea_popescu day of the good q's
22:38 peterl I suppose the billion dollar bet could hit yes if btc/usd price and amount bet each go up ~30x
22:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00075321 = 16.4953 BTC [+]
22:38 mircea_popescu a bet that was at 3k 6months out could conceivably end up in the 5-6 figures.
22:39 mircea_popescu esp if there's an upset
22:39 decimation really the bet is brillant pr. media idiots love far-off artificial deadlines with artificial drama
22:39 mircea_popescu not much love shown so far.
22:40 BingoBoingo The berkshire bet coul break 10k btc easily if BTC hits $700 in three months
22:40 decimation if the scenario that peterl proposes comes remotely true, I suspect it will get love
22:40 mircea_popescu now this im sure
22:41 mircea_popescu that's the thing, by now the action there is fabulous
22:44 BingoBoingo Fuck, there's still time for to get interesting which could really drive up the Berkshire pot
22:44 assbot BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD :: 75 B (9%) on Yes, 755.29 B (91%) on No | closing in 1 month 3 weeks | weight: 15`525 (100`000 to 1)
22:44 mircea_popescu if that yeses out... o boy.
22:44 mircea_popescu someone stands to make a cool mn or somethign.
22:44 BingoBoingo How quick did shit spike up last fall
22:45 mircea_popescu two weeks!
22:45 BingoBoingo Right. While $600 to $400 this years was what... one, two months? It Bitcoin the falls are long and labored, but the rallies...
22:46 mircea_popescu this is perhaps the only point of technical analysis with any merit.
22:47 TheNewDeal Drops happen fast as well?
22:47 TheNewDeal Same with rebounds
22:47 peterl so to get yes on brk-a bet, at this point btc would have to get over 666 usd, that doesn't seem that high yet bitbet is favoring no
22:48 mircea_popescu peterl there's a latency. heavy no bets came in this week, perhaps not balanced oyut yet
22:48 TheNewDeal like december 18th 2013
22:48 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal hm.
22:48 BingoBoingo <TheNewDeal> Drops happen fast as well? << Only really drops fast after decisive peaks
22:49 mircea_popescu this is why it's ta :D
22:49 TheNewDeal Feb 9th 2014 wasn't after a peak
22:49 BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: Maybe we measure time differently...
22:49 peterl my tea leaves are saying RALLY!!!
22:49 TheNewDeal Definitely. I'm a new comer
22:50 TheNewDeal And bitcoin years are like the hypothetical dog years
22:51 BingoBoingo I mean last fall was the anomalie in that it has a rally whereas 2011 and 2012... stagnation...
22:52 TheNewDeal Wasn't 2011 a large increase year?
22:52 BingoBoingo It was for a while...
22:53 TheNewDeal when did the btc / usd ratio go > 1 ?
22:54 BingoBoingo And interesting question, right before it dropped to 0.7
23:00 decimation as I recall it was the summer of 2011
23:03 TheNewDeal Wasn't sure if it went 10 / 1 in the same year, or if that was the next.
23:04 TheNewDeal ;;timesincebitcoinwas10usd
23:04 gribble Error: "timesincebitcoinwas10usd" is not a valid command.
23:05 xmj TheNewDeal: 3 years
23:05 BingoBoingo
23:05 assbot An Illustrated History Of Bitcoin Crashes - Forbes
23:06 TheNewDeal So it did cross 1:1 and 10:1 in 2011. I'd say that's an up year
23:07 BingoBoingo Well, really it was probably the first year
23:08 TheNewDeal Is that the year mt gox switched over from Magic the Gathering cards ;)
23:12 BingoBoingo Good question
23:12 TheNewDeal Just rapid-fired like 20 questions. Feel free to ignore them
23:14 BingoBoingo Not ignoring so much as distracted, and the Google is a thing
23:15 asciilifeform decimation: vlsi design software << yes, it was. and they actually... used it.
23:16 asciilifeform decimation: i asked dan schmidt whether he'd sell it - he answered that he won't, it's in some kind of eternal legal limbo (sub-licensed somewhere, or the like.)
23:16 decimation asciilifeform: reminds me of chuck moore writing his own vlsi design in forth
23:16 asciilifeform mats_cd03: practical-file-system-design << old favourite of mine.
23:16 decimation it would be interesting if some rich prince 'rescued' the symbolics assets just for shits
23:17 TheNewDeal ;;later tell ThickAsThieves any response on that foia yet?
23:17 gribble The operation succeeded.
23:18 asciilifeform decimation: does the vlsi design exist (presumably in vhdl) << afaik it was lisp from day 1 (mit cadr was hand-drawn, after that - 'ourobourus'-like tail-eating iterative design...)
23:19 decimation like, it produced a netlist?
23:19 asciilifeform decimation: netlist << nope. the actual masks, ready for tapeout.
23:19 asciilifeform (naturally, netlist first, etc)
23:19 decimation that is impressive.
23:20 decimation I remember when beos was a thing, raging fast, low latency. too bad it petered out
23:20 asciilifeform very few of these things feel 'impressive' after you learn just how intrinsically simple all of our tech stack is
23:20 asciilifeform when you strip away the crapolade.
23:21 decimation I guess I'm thinking "must recreate xilinux crapware, mentor graphics crapware, & various glue code"
23:21 decimation but much of that stuff is redundant
23:21 asciilifeform all of it.
23:22 asciilifeform the only thing intrinsically necessary is a compact way to tell the photomask printer what to do...
23:23 decimation unfortunately, unless one is going mask one's own chips, we are stuck with fgpa's and rtl
23:23 * asciilifeform just emerged from ~4 hrs of lathe work, does in fact appreciate the difficulty of apparently simple things. but the extant computing stack - is still a pile of shit.
23:26 TheNewDeal what where you lathing?
23:27 asciilifeform TheNewDeal: approximately the gadget pictured here:
23:27 assbot Piston Pump, positive displacement pump
23:27 asciilifeform (only the pieces with the red flow diagram depicted)
23:28 decimation heh, you gonna make a pump for solder paste?
23:28 asciilifeform more or less obvious from the link, no ?
23:28 decimation yep. what about the little micro-screw-needle
23:29 asciilifeform the business end?
23:29 decimation yeah
23:29 asciilifeform that's the single solitary part that's actually readily available off the shelf, a dime a dozen.
23:31 decimation no the auger valve you wrote about a few months ago
23:31 asciilifeform at chinese factories, they go through astounding quantities of such needles when dispensing glue - hence cheap.
23:31 asciilifeform nope.
23:31 decimation
23:31 assbot Logged on 23-07-2014 03:10:06; asciilifeform: state of the art, it turns out, is 'auger valve' - think: small archimedes screw.
23:31 asciilifeform auger valve is in some ways a nicer design
23:32 asciilifeform but quite difficult to achieve given the tolerances of a cheap desktop non-cnc lathe.
23:32 decimation yeah makes sense
23:32 decimation so you are going to build a 'better' glue squirter
23:32 asciilifeform and yes all of this could theoretically be bought.
23:32 asciilifeform but - golden toilet.
23:32 decimation yeah I understand.
23:33 asciilifeform 'better' in the sense that 1) it easily beats the controlled-air-puff dispenser i was using previously, which is almost unusably inaccurate and,
23:33 asciilifeform 2) can be had. really nice things exist, are used in 'adult' factories - but cannot be had.
23:34 decimation So if you can control the fine pump pressure dynamically you might be able to prevent the 'drool' problem
23:34 asciilifeform 'positive displacement' here means, easily, that no more turd can emerge from the needle than is actually inside the needle
23:34 asciilifeform as a theoretical maximum
23:35 asciilifeform ('rabbit can be pulled out of hat only to the extent said rabbit is actually in the hat.'
23:35 asciilifeform )
23:35 asciilifeform no need to control pressure to any great extent, that's the whole fscking point of pos. disp. pumps.
23:36 asciilifeform just need enough air pressure in syringe to keep the paste flowing into the work chamber on the piston's up-stroke.
23:36 asciilifeform (but not so much that it is able to overcome the needle.)
23:36 decimation yeah I guess there is no air in the chamber, so it's all incompressible
23:36 asciilifeform correct.
23:37 asciilifeform (there are circumstances where air can mix with the paste, but i will not describe them here - we've already put everyone to sleep.)
23:38 * BingoBoingo is far from asleep
23:39 decimation looks to me that a likely leakage path would be the upstroke phase - air could leak around the piston
23:40 TheNewDeal may have just fixed my dial indicator. Feel like I working in a chinese sweatshop for the last half hour
23:40 asciilifeform TheNewDeal: what was the occasion for dial indicator ?
23:41 nubbins` odd coincidence, my dial test indicator showed up today
23:41 TheNewDeal use them for a few things at work. One is to make sure that gears are meshed well enough
23:41 asciilifeform nubbins`: odd coincidence, i ordered one today
23:41 asciilifeform (previously had only 'dial indicator')
23:41 nubbins` read that earlier, i have no dial test indicator ;(
23:42 asciilifeform it'll be - an ancient 'mitutoyo'
23:45 asciilifeform i keep waiting for someone here to suggest 'use peristaltic pump'
23:45 asciilifeform (then i'd have to explain how this doesn't work, sadly, and for nonobvious reason)
23:46 decimation is it because it would smash the solder balls?
23:46 asciilifeform TheNewDeal: Feel like I working in a chinese sweatshop for the last half hour << i am glad to learn that i am not the only one who ended up constructing his own personal chinese sweatshop to toil in...
23:46 asciilifeform it would smash the solder balls << nope. the standard methods (auger and piston) actually do. and this limits the life of the apparatus (smashed balls end up adhering to the inside bores.)
23:47 TheNewDeal hahaha I hardly constructed one. Just borrowed a tiny screwdriver from the tools that ship with the machine
23:47 asciilifeform problem with peristaltic is that it operates in bursts (one 'squeeze') which always end up too long.
23:47 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> (then i'd have to explain how this doesn't work, sadly, and for nonobvious reason) << it could work if instead you went for living fabrication machines as the Flinstones did.
23:48 decimation couldn't you construct a really tiny paristaltic pump?
23:48 asciilifeform decimation: you can, but you get odd behaviour - considering that you aren't pumping a fluid in the usual sense
23:48 asciilifeform but a suspension of metal balls.
23:49 decimation yeah I suspect as the ID of the tube approaches the size of the balls weird stuff would happen
23:49 asciilifeform peristaltic pump also stretches the tube if the business end is clogged (as it inevitably becomes)
23:50 asciilifeform weird stuff happens in all of the listed designs. it's a problem to which there isn't really a fully satisfactory solution.
23:50 asciilifeform (solder paste in 'adult' industry is simply never pumped. they use stencils, afaik.)
23:51 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> peristaltic pump also stretches the tube if the business end is clogged (as it inevitably becomes) << In the prototypical models Magnesium citrate tends to clear this well.
23:51 decimation yeah I was reading about how they ditched laser cut designs for photoetching
23:52 decimation for stencils that is
23:54 decimation << watch the annoying australian run his design on an 'adult' assembly line, with solder paste, pick n' place and oven
23:54 assbot EEVblog #264 - SMD PCB Pick & Place Machine Assembly - YouTube
23:56 decimation it's amusing that the solder paste machine is pretty much just a giant squeegee, but all dressed up
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