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00:19 ben_vulpes asciilifeform:
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00:19 ben_vulpes would never pass muster in any of the design or fabrication classes that i've taken, but i'll be surprised if it doesn't move from shack to shack for at least half a decade.
00:23 ben_vulpes mind you i had no hand in the actual design or most of the fab outside of the cutting of pieces to dimension (and the insisting upon of dimensioned pieces for cutting)
00:26 decimation lol "We urge President Obama to immediately and publicly recognize that Mr. Omar J. Gonzalez, an oppressed migrant, was merely looking for a better life when he entered the White House after going over the classist, divisive and needless fence."
00:26 assbot reform White House access and grant Comprehensive Executive Amnesty & residency to migrant Omar J. Gonzalez & his family | We the People: Your Voice in Our Government
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00:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56900 @ 0.00074623 = 42.4605 BTC [-] {4}
00:46 mats_cd03 was perusing logs, found this much amusement
00:46 assbot Help bring peace with your money
00:48 mats_cd03 re: sr gonzalez - imagine if he had a special vest on, rather than a knife.
00:49 mats_cd03 would he have caught a bullet, or successfully delivered head to obama post-explosion?
00:49 mats_cd03 i wonder what secret service sop is.
00:52 mats_cd03 for those that don't know -- suicide vests tend to make head pop off, mostly intact, and land in the vicinity of explosion.
00:59 mircea_popescu <ben_vulpes> measuring orthogonality in mm? <<
00:59 mircea_popescu lol the many things asciilifeform is not
00:59 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: a 'sherline' is almost a hand-tool.
01:00 mircea_popescu <decimation> yeah turns out the 'advanced' battery pack is just a pile of standard lithium batteries wired in strings << i have no idea what's so advanced about it, basically the whole car is powered offa one of those 4.5 volt things discussed here previously
01:01 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: and the algorithm you described is precisely what i did. only gotcha is - the machine at present isn't running true.
01:01 mircea_popescu but im curious wtf happens if one of the cells goes to shit and starts heating. turn off whole battery ?
01:01 xmj moin
01:02 asciilifeform how do you 'turn off' an internal short?
01:02 mircea_popescu wire around the cell in question
01:02 mircea_popescu ie, cut it off, let the rest work
01:02 asciilifeform well it has those.
01:02 mircea_popescu does it ?
01:02 mircea_popescu from what i gather the controler is watch only
01:02 asciilifeform mentioned in the captions.
01:03 mircea_popescu charges/discharges all elements simultaneously
01:03 mircea_popescu it has FUSES. but that's for electricity not heat.
01:04 asciilifeform presumably the cells are meant to be spaced in such a way that one, if internal short, does not ignite neighbour.
01:04 asciilifeform whether this was achieved, i cannot say from the picture
01:04 * asciilifeform does not own this battery, has not watched it die
01:04 mircea_popescu mats_cd03 have some more
01:04 assbot I am god - The Pub - Shroomery Message Board
01:05 asciilifeform mats_cd03: delivered head << when i first learned the fact about heads, my thought was that there ought to be a 'head cannon' weapon
01:06 asciilifeform explosive collar which launches user's head (wearing a 'pickelhaube' of course) at the enemy.
01:06 asciilifeform fuses << if internal short in cell, fuse will blow (current flows in from neighbours)
01:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform suppose the cell merely overheats.
01:07 asciilifeform overheat and internal short typically go together.
01:07 asciilifeform in the 'heart/liver' way.
01:08 mats_cd03 heh
01:08 mircea_popescu engineering is engineering.
01:08 ben_vulpes musk made some interesting claims about battery safety behavior in the presence of overheating during the Boeing fire saga.
01:08 mircea_popescu quite.
01:08 mircea_popescu none of them went "whatever, there's a fuse and glty"
01:08 ben_vulpes overheating doesn't cascade in the T batts, but who knows if the thing stays online.
01:09 asciilifeform the sheer amount of stereotypical 'fud' about this poor car - is atounding.
01:09 ben_vulpes can't get a signal anywhere but b-a
01:09 asciilifeform quite like the cigarette firms trying to have the electric aerosol smoking machines banned in usa.
01:09 asciilifeform 'not proven safe111!11'
01:09 mircea_popescu im not trying to get it banned!
01:10 asciilifeform a number of traditional car firms - apparently are.
01:10 asciilifeform why - no idea.
01:10 asciilifeform aside from the grudgewank involving dealerships
01:10 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: only the ones who've not bought their own vaporiser company.
01:11 asciilifeform (in usa, it is traditionally forbidden for car manufacturer to run dealerships, and tesla corp. is lobbying to have this repealed. dealers - not pleased.)
01:11 ben_vulpes and didn't we already do the aerosol/vaporizing thing?
01:11 ben_vulpes is it forbidden or just not practiced?
01:11 ben_vulpes i was under the impression that it was the latter.
01:11 asciilifeform in many states, formally banned
01:11 ben_vulpes goodnes
01:12 ben_vulpes apropos only of retarded usian laws, i'm looking into employee-ing up.
01:12 ben_vulpes turns out, i'm liable for unemployment benefits if i fire someone for doing a poor job.
01:12 ben_vulpes at will my arse.
01:12 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: surely you meant - 'down' ?
01:12 mircea_popescu hehe
01:12 asciilifeform to go below whatever threshold
01:12 mircea_popescu the us is a horrid place to hire.
01:13 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: "lawyer up"
01:13 asciilifeform or to be hired
01:13 asciilifeform aha
01:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: just what is it a 'good place' to do? not even - to die. (ever see what even a pauper's burial costs here?)
01:14 mats_cd03 join .mil, free funeral.
01:14 asciilifeform mats_cd03: laugh, but this is actually one of the attractions.
01:15 asciilifeform some people, for instance, sign up just to get their teeth done.
01:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's a great place to pretend.
01:15 mircea_popescu dank's ideal home is the us.
01:15 mats_cd03 im not laughing. i served, once, in usg war machine.
01:15 ben_vulpes anyways, there's "art" and cute undercontracted ladies parading around tonight. adieu!
01:16 asciilifeform mats_cd03: but didn't stay to collect free funeral, apparently
01:17 mircea_popescu scam.
01:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: anyone can pretend - even in antarctica. but if you mean, that audience will believe - sure. but what good does it do - if audience is broke.
01:18 mats_cd03 its only free if you are kia iirc. otherwise, its... 700usd? lol.
01:18 asciilifeform 700 is serious money for a dead man.
01:18 mircea_popescu holy shit ebaumsworld still exists
01:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that you feel the love and understanding of a bunch of similar mouthbreathers ?
01:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'On January 31, 2009, Bauman reported that ZVUE fired him and the rest of the staff and replaced them with a new team. Furthermore, Bauman claimed ZVUE are falsely using his name in connection with new material, making it look as if Bauman is still employed...' (pediwikia)
01:19 mircea_popescu right.
01:19 mircea_popescu hence my wow.
01:19 asciilifeform even 'yahoo' still exists.
01:19 asciilifeform hell, ibm exists.
01:19 asciilifeform no one saw it fit to drive a stake through their hearts quite yet.
01:19 mircea_popescu ibm actually has a nice building down here. my lawyer rents a floor from them
01:20 mircea_popescu heck, brother has an outlet store here
01:20 mircea_popescu i tell you it's like time trippin.
01:20 asciilifeform what do they offer? system/360 ?
01:21 mircea_popescu printers and bad fax machines
01:21 asciilifeform aha rebranded chicom turds.
01:21 asciilifeform should've known.
01:22 mircea_popescu wait you meant ibm or brother ?
01:22 asciilifeform ibm
01:22 mircea_popescu ah, as far as i know real estate
01:22 asciilifeform (does not, afaik, make printers or faxes and hasn't for ~25 yrs)
01:22 * asciilifeform read 'ibm outlet'
01:23 mircea_popescu
01:23 assbot IBM Building in Buenos Aires - Architecture of the World - WikiArquitectura
01:23 mircea_popescu that thing. looks as derpy as you'd expect
01:23 asciilifeform woah.
01:24 asciilifeform hut-on-chickenlegs
01:25 mircea_popescu lol
01:25 mircea_popescu no witch, i checked.
01:25 decimation i bet they will sell you a power5 turd too
01:25 asciilifeform perhaps BingoBoingo should knock and see when he's in town
01:26 decimation they probably are in the business of trying to scam the ar gov't
01:30 mats_cd03 that looks ugly and expensive
01:30 * asciilifeform can only explain ibm in argentina one way - they hope the nazis will come out of cryostasis there, and like up to buy gasenwagenkalkulators
01:31 asciilifeform *line up
01:32 mircea_popescu im pretty sure they're just managing real estate left over from the 80s
01:32 decimation here is another ugly building in washington, dc
01:32 assbot Intelsat headquarters - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
01:32 mircea_popescu which they can't sell because well, argentina.
01:33 asciilifeform decimation: nothing beats the fbi headquarters for pure ugly in d.c.
01:33 decimation asciilifeform: heh yeah, looks like gulag
01:33 asciilifeform,FzMqMR9,NP0uzz5,IFSX1eE,HNMQjdq,bCs3u7l,pn5XiLa,nboYysE,ZOibTdz,2LXc9IW
01:33 assbot Ministry of Love - Imgur
01:33 asciilifeform ^ my pics
01:33 decimation I thought they were going to get rid of that
01:34 asciilifeform turned out that planned new location already has a cia gulag in the cellar.
01:34 asciilifeform which doesn't want to relocate.
01:35 asciilifeform when you walk by the j.e.hoover bldg, overwhelming sensation that its 'lid' (upper part of photo) is closing in on you
01:35 asciilifeform like gigantic press.
01:36 decimation
01:36 assbot List narrows for future FBI headquarters: Greenbelt, Landover or Springfield - The Washington Post
01:36 asciilifeform the moat (yes, moat) has tiles, like a public toilet. and hose spigots (wash blood away, nice)
01:37 decimation all of those potential relocation sites are shitholes
01:37 decimation but they got 11,000 'federal jobs' so everyone wants
01:38 decimation I wonder how those fbi employees feel about being seen as meat for consumption by the local political elite
01:39 decimation as I recall the fbi headquarters is a block away from the theater where lincoln was murdered
01:40 asciilifeform so is chinatown, where i often go and eat 'chicken'
01:40 decimation "A list compiled by and Reuters declared the J. Edgar Hoover Building the world's ugliest building, and found it to be a "dreary 1970s behemoth".[60] Los Angeles Times travel writer Christopher Reynolds remarked that the Hoover building is "so ugly, local historians say, that it scared authorities into setting higher standards for pedestrian friendliness among buildings
01:40 assbot J. Edgar Hoover Building - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
01:40 decimation along [Pennsylvania Avenue]".[61]"
01:41 asciilifeform when i walk by that thing, hard to escape the feeling that my 'ratfacecage' is waiting there, in the cellars somewhere.
01:42 decimation asciilifeform: you could eat at 'chopt' like yglesias:
01:42 assbot Cobbs at Chopt: Why does the salad chain call so many different things a "cobb"?
01:44 decimation asciilifeform: did you ever show up at the dc 'maker space'?
01:45 asciilifeform 'hack-dc' club ?
01:45 asciilifeform went a dozen or so times, some years ago. snore.
01:45 decimation yeah, I wondered if it was worthwhile
01:46 decimation it seems the hype for those things outstrips the actual usefulness - usefulness defined as meeting actual people working on interesting ideas
01:46 asciilifeform afaik these started out as banal 'communal workshop' arrangements
01:46 asciilifeform pool money, buy costly machinery
01:48 asciilifeform incidentally, the ruined church where 'hack-dc' met also hosted a 'clojure' society. after attending a few meetings and trying to actually put the system to use, i ended up writing... well, that post.
01:48 decimation yeah they want $50 per month << they have scanning electron microscope now apparently
01:48 assbot Join | HacDC
01:49 asciilifeform a carcass, it looks like.
01:49 asciilifeform ' Physical components are in great condition, vacuum testing and electronics replacement is underway.'
01:50 decimation lol yeah
01:50 decimation could buy on ebay at that quality level
01:50 asciilifeform neat balloon pic though.
01:51 asciilifeform (i had no part in this, it was all long after i left)
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10:11 thestringpuller !s coinvoice
10:11 assbot 4 results for 'coinvoice' :
10:11 thestringpuller can anyone vouch for coinvoice?
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10:15 Duffer1 never heard of
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10:23 thestringpuller I'm looking for a liquidity source. Seems coinvoice is a good shot.
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10:42 mircea_popescu good morning asseteers
10:43 thestringpuller mircea_popescu you would get a kick out of gamersgate
10:43 thestringpuller lol
10:43 thestringpuller What it boils down to is many people feeling upset that the video game space has been so heavily politicized with a left-leaning, feminist-driven slant," he said.
10:43 thestringpuller He could be you!
10:43 thestringpuller lolol
10:43 mircea_popescu maybe. who's he ?
10:43 thestringpuller Erik Kain of Forbes.
10:45 mircea_popescu no, he couldn't be me.
10:45 mircea_popescu i could be him, if i ever deign to write for forbes, which seems unlikely unless i buy it and then it'll be Popescu
10:45 thestringpuller Popescu Magazine
10:45 thestringpuller That's catchy
10:46 thestringpuller I'm certain you'd sue someone who steals that idea...
10:46 mircea_popescu nope
10:46 mircea_popescu da fuck do i care
10:47 thestringpuller it's just funny to me that even "gamers" are sick of the feminist...
10:47 mircea_popescu im kinda surprised they noticed and even care.
10:47 chetty lmao
10:47 mircea_popescu who gives a shit what a bunch of libtards say, seriously.
10:48 mircea_popescu this is like junior high courtyard bs. the girls get upset that the boys ignore them so they complain. which the boys ignore, because the girls stink and are stupid and who wants to be involved with one.
10:49 mircea_popescu so the girls build their girlclub to support each other through puberty and dream of one day being married.
10:50 chetty well if girls got actual armor they might play more :P
10:51 mircea_popescu lol
10:51 mircea_popescu thoroughly debunked argument tho.
10:52 mircea_popescu boys buy into naked spiderman just fine.
10:53 * chetty is totally sick and tired of the girls vs. boys crap
10:54 thestringpuller wow I haven't read maddox in years
10:54 thestringpuller 1997?
10:54 thestringpuller wow
10:54 bounce here, take a happy pill
10:54 bounce amazing how formulaic comics are. just like hollywood.
10:54 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
10:54 mircea_popescu chetty well you're not in the demographic you know ?
10:55 bounce (says me, having studiously avoided both for the last couple of years, as much as possible anyway)
10:55 mircea_popescu bounce now why'd that be amazing. it's supposed to be cheap and replicable.
10:55 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
10:55 mircea_popescu then they bitch about how it's being replicated.
10:55 mircea_popescu a particular pathology.
10:55 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: is chetty a robot?
10:56 bounce a series isn't a series without a reboot or two, apparently.
10:56 thestringpuller i'm almost certain hanbot is a partial robot though you say she is human ~_~
10:56 mircea_popescu what do you mean, "is chetty a robot" ?!
10:56 mircea_popescu lol you're nuts.
10:56 mircea_popescu and possibly a robot :D
10:56 * bounce doesn't really want to know but can't help but wonder what the top reboot count is, and which series.
10:56 thestringpuller people tell me that I'm crazy a lot!
10:56 thestringpuller Wild card.
10:56 thestringpuller and cookies
10:57 xmj thestringpuller: interesting question
10:57 mircea_popescu bounce well to be honest (and i've unstudiously avoided both for two decades or more), they're all the same one thing, and so the classics have been badly reimplemented by the us pulp industry many times, and they keep rebooting it
10:57 mircea_popescu because it dun work.
10:57 xmj thestringpuller: do the people from the other gender you attract mostly exhibit craziness?
10:57 mircea_popescu but hey, why should it even work, when you got a whole reboot process.
10:58 thestringpuller xmj: yessir! we're fucking radicals! like odd future
10:58 xmj thestringpuller: then you're legit crazy
10:58 xmj same thing here.
10:58 mircea_popescu wait, you got a girlfriend ?!
10:58 thestringpuller who me?
10:59 mircea_popescu well either as it works out lol
10:59 xmj well
10:59 xmj if you mostly pull crazy women
10:59 xmj you're crazy yourself. law of attraction, like attracts like, all that
10:59 xmj "Opposites attract" is a lie.
10:59 bounce no real reason why really. donald duck dun' need no steenkin' reboots, and has been around since what, 1934
10:59 bounce
10:59 assbot Shortpacked! by David Willis
10:59 chetty <mircea_popescu> chetty well you're not in the demographic you know ?// you mean libtards? I dun have to be in it to be sick of it
11:00 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: yea. She's a lurker for sure.
11:00 mircea_popescu chetty no i mean teenagers and young adults.
11:00 mircea_popescu bounce a surprisingly good objection actually!
11:01 mircea_popescu <<< asciilifeform dunno if that's naggum or not, but i gotta say that'd be the prototype for the romanian "fata de-mpins vagoane", ie, railcart pushing face
11:04 bounce could have to do with the demographic, where teen memory is slightly longer than pre-teen memory so they (feel they) need regular reboots to capture the demographic or something. could also have to do with the writers not being on a short enough leash. dunno really.
11:04 * bounce is sure there's a libarts dissertation or two in there somewhere
11:05 mircea_popescu my money is on the latter really.
11:06 mircea_popescu donald is one of the very few well managed franchises.
11:06 bounce to the point that as soon as the mouse threatens to go out of copyright, copyright gets extended
11:06 bounce but yeah
11:06 xmj bounce: define reboot ?
11:06 mircea_popescu at the cost of killing the whole copyright notion altogether.
11:07 bounce eventually
11:07 mircea_popescu people have this constant naive approach, a pipe breaks ? push your palm on it.
11:07 mircea_popescu yeah dude, im sure your magical palm will relieve pressure out of a badly designed, failing apparatus.
11:07 mircea_popescu it definitely won't blow somewhere else
11:07 mircea_popescu magical palms!!1
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11:12 thestringpuller so much money in licensing though
11:12 thestringpuller why make the movie yourself when someone will pay you to make it for you
11:13 mircea_popescu because they'll make it shitty.
11:13 thestringpuller what if you don't care about that and just the money?
11:13 mircea_popescu why fuck your own wife when someone will pay to fuck her for you, for that matter.
11:13 thestringpuller there is a movie about that.
11:13 mircea_popescu maybe because you don't wanna sleep in the bed where all the random bacteria off random cocks collect and pool.
11:13 thestringpuller i think the end they made a business on letting his wife get fucked by millionaires but I'm fuzzy
11:14 thestringpuller i understand your notion tho :P
11:16 mircea_popescu "He ran in to some very serious problems that poisoned his existence for many years, and made him lose faith in humans. These problems (I won’t go into details, let sleeping dogs lie) would have agonized anyone, but most people would, in time, have come to terms with life’s injustice and cruelty." << asciilifeform what, was the guy in jail or something ?
11:16 mircea_popescu tho i guess it actually sounds more like a messy divorce, with a child involved. did he have kids ?
11:18 TheNewDeal ;;seen TomServo
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11:26 mircea_popescu oh teh norvegian revenue service. heh. fucktards.
11:27 mircea_popescu if turing is a good (and in fact the only) good reason to dismantle the statally organised repression of gayness
11:27 mircea_popescu i'll readily contend that naggum is a sufficient, if by no means the only good reason to dismantle any statal revenue service.
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11:46 TheNewDeal Catching up on the logs. nubbins`, want to try your hand at a Kent State shirt ?
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11:47 mircea_popescu < not a bad read this.
11:47 assbot Herd Thither, Me Hither (revised)
11:47 mircea_popescu "In those days, nobody bought Macintoshes. But strangely, our office was besieged by people wanting us to demonstrate the Macintosh and its nifty features.
11:47 mircea_popescu Would these people buy a Macintosh? No. But they would take up a lot of our time asking “What is the benefit of Mac? Why is it superior to Windows? Explain why we should I buy one for each employee.” And no matter how interested they seemed, and no matter what we said or did, they would weigh their options… and then buy a Windows computer."
11:58 mircea_popescu "What they really meant was, Nobody ever got fired for buying a Windows Box."
11:58 mircea_popescu fuck that. i'll fire you for being bland.
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12:00 mircea_popescu this is what the idiotic us puritan obsession with propriety has gotten. this. it's a scourge upon humanity and a shameful macula of untold disgrace.
12:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: << naggum & the tax men
12:00 assbot Re: Dead software (was: A draft business plan for free software LISP vendors) - Naggum cll archive
12:00 mircea_popescu there's nothing more shameful than being a good usian.
12:01 * chetty is glad you put the 'good' modifier in there
12:02 mircea_popescu hey, nobody's fault they were born among imbeciles.
12:02 mircea_popescu but it starts looking badly if they somehow manage to stay.
12:02 mircea_popescu "They weren’t interested in finding out whether Macintosh would be useful for them: They were interested in being able to say to the world that they have an open mind and researched all the possibilities, but somehow, somehow, they finished up back where they started, using the same damn thing that everyone else is using."
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12:03 mircea_popescu didja do your homework ? yessir. didja learn anything ? o, no, i wouldn't do that!
12:04 asciilifeform '...the Norwegian government, which for a few years decided to tax me based on what I should have been _able_ to earn, and therefore _probably_ earned without reporting to them, so I should pay taxes on it, plus penalties for lying to them...'
12:04 asciilifeform (whole thing worth reading)
12:04 mircea_popescu heh.
12:07 mircea_popescu "You can’t simply ask someone if they have no intention of buying a Macintosh. Everybody lies, especially to salespeople." << the funny thing in there is, people generally despise SALESMEN for being lying scumbags. but, in fact, people lie to them as an article of faith, and in sheer volume necessarily exceed anything the salesman could push out.
12:07 mircea_popescu same thing with cops. people don't like the psychopatholgy of policemen, but then again the same "people" are lying and trying to beat down the cop two dozen times a day
12:07 mircea_popescu not the sorts of jobs one can do and remain in possession of his wits.
12:10 mircea_popescu So the easy question to ask is this: “Are you trying to figure out whether to change? Or trying to figure out which change to make?” << good point. first category needs to hire a manager, not talk to salesmen.
12:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform course, that's his off the cuff interpretation of what happened.
12:19 asciilifeform there's more detail in other posts, i think.
12:19 mircea_popescu i have little faith the man was actually apt to follow the legal intricacies, which altogether require a different mind than one which wilfully chose lisp over say basic.
12:19 mircea_popescu quite opposite, in fact, i would suspect.
12:19 mircea_popescu the cleanest way to represent the legal tradition, as well as the legal implementation of that tradition in any extant sovereign of the fiat, geographical, obsolete kind,
12:19 asciilifeform afaik he was actually an amateur scholar of law (in own country and elsewhere.)
12:19 mircea_popescu is to think of a basic program of equal length.
12:20 mircea_popescu ah.
12:20 mircea_popescu well, amateur in the "this is what i think the law should be" school of amateurship, or amateur in the "trying to figure out what this thing is" school of amateurship ?
12:20 asciilifeform what is.
12:20 mircea_popescu well then dunno.
12:20 asciilifeform here's what i recall (any other delvers in naggum archive, feel free to correct)
12:21 asciilifeform at one point he figured out that, given taxation law in No, his standard of living would not much change if he cut his consulting to 2-3 months of a year.
12:21 asciilifeform and so he did.
12:22 asciilifeform (seems like norway has, or at least had at the time, a confiscatory tax scheme where you lose essentially 100 percent after a certain point.)
12:22 mircea_popescu still has, afaik.
12:22 mircea_popescu their deal is, "we have all this oil, we will spend the proceeds on welfare, in exchange we also take everyone's money"
12:23 chetty if you actually figured out all your tax in us wouldnt be much diff
12:23 mircea_popescu so you know, most people making a buck and getting by this scheme a buck fiddy are happy with it,
12:23 mircea_popescu the politico leeches sucking that fiddy cents for nothing are trilled
12:23 mircea_popescu and so...
12:24 asciilifeform chetty: the us is quite the same, except that here they add insult to injury by letting the fattest kulaks escape all taxation rather easily
12:25 chetty usa is a reverse robinhood
12:25 mircea_popescu yeah, the us is a different system. it doesn't have mega natural wealth to prop itself, so it works as a "buffettlying to prevent the children of the middleclass pushing him out" system
12:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform but anyway, you were saying.
12:26 asciilifeform chetty: likewise, there are many unofficial collectors of 'tax' here (which is to say, not actual tax, but other unavoidable wealth extraction like rent that conveniently zaps every penny of your surplus)
12:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: yes, precisely that buffett thread
12:27 chetty well thats kinda what I meant about counting ALL the tax. The property 'owner' pays tax and passes it along in your 'rent' amount and so forth
12:27 Duffer1 police tax
12:27 asciilifeform so naggum was dragged into the courts, eventually escaped with his life but not particularly much money
12:27 Duffer1 driving 1mph over limit that's a taxin
12:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and didn't forthwith set sail for argentina because ...
12:28 Duffer1 i got a 175$ ticket for failing to come to a complete stop before exiting a driveway once
12:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that part i understand.
12:28 asciilifeform probably same reason i haven't.
12:28 xmj Duffer1: Friday I paid a ticket for 1km/h too much.
12:28 * mircea_popescu is rather naive in the ways of the world.
12:28 xmj Duffer1: CHF 40,00
12:28 xmj :)
12:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what's he to do in argentina? teach the pampas cats and ocelots common lisp ?
12:29 mircea_popescu dude, they didn't have the internet in the 1990s ?
12:29 Duffer1 lol xmj
12:29 mircea_popescu i seem to remember despising *something* at that time
12:29 mircea_popescu pretty sure it was the superhighway something or the other
12:30 kakobrekla asciilifeform you current job/s require physical presence?
12:30 asciilifeform at that time, naggum was sitting in standards groups and eventually became indirectly responsible for the atrocity of 'xml' (he authored the 'sgml' standard, its grandparent)
12:30 asciilifeform kakobrekla: yes.
12:30 kakobrekla aww.
12:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what are you, an escort ?!
12:31 chetty hmm most of the standards groups at that time met on phone ...
12:31 mircea_popescu ^
12:31 asciilifeform kakobrekla: traditionally, even 'tele-'whatever work in usa requires at least an occasional physical visit, simply to make sure you haven't republikfluchted, apparently
12:31 mircea_popescu no fucking body traveled to sit on a rfc comission unless they really wanted to visit a gf or something
12:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform hire actors.
12:32 asciilifeform lol
12:32 jurov that would be advice for BingoBoingo
12:32 jurov hire doppelganger, walk out
12:32 chetty there was that guy recently, worked for the epa I think, claimed he was also cia and just took off for months whenever he wanted
12:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what the fuck are you doing working without a company anyway, and why is it not registered in gibraltar or w/e the fuck they do
12:33 mircea_popescu what sort of legal amateurship is this!
12:33 kakobrekla and you cant sell your skills, which we all know are plentiful, outside usa ? hard to believe.
12:33 mircea_popescu kakobrekla no because argentina consists of pampas cats
12:33 kakobrekla :(
12:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: one of my jobs is indeed a company i co-own - but the only customer is usg, and the office is required to be within a few km of a particular institute.
12:33 mircea_popescu and spanish is like alien, can't be learned by humans, unlike lisp and scheme
12:34 mircea_popescu and what's more, the argentine govt doesn't have like 5 bn in usd cash, nor does it have a horrid starvation of talent.
12:34 * asciilifeform did 6 yrs. of spanish, reads, e.g., marquez, just fine.
12:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so ? hire ms boring to sit in that office and split
12:35 asciilifeform brb, teatime
12:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and what the fuck are you doing owning companies in own name anyway
12:35 mircea_popescu recurse for crying out loud
12:35 mircea_popescu in short : ditch this mentality where the other party matters, in any sense, and make a sport out of rubbing its hopes, aspirations and legitimate expectations into the dirt.
12:36 mircea_popescu it's called business, what the fuck.
12:36 mircea_popescu it's not marriage, it's not a love affair. it's an exercise in destroying everything whatsoever and mocking the rest.
12:38 mircea_popescu business partners with the usg, god help us. what will fiction produce next, the harem of wolves, flying to the moon on own farts, mind boggles.
12:40 mircea_popescu <jurov> hire doppelganger, walk out << incidentally, you know they did this in the times of the good soldier svjek ?
12:40 jurov no?
12:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00074591 = 12.4567 BTC [-]
12:41 mircea_popescu o yeah. you were simply required to not alter the headcount.
12:41 mircea_popescu generally everyone produced a replacement for military service
12:41 mircea_popescu and if needed, prison.
12:41 mircea_popescu just as long as you had someone to serve for you, all is well.
12:42 mircea_popescu "I wish people would get more interested in _knowing_ the world they want to change. I can't keep lecturing obnoxious morons forever just because they have these wild-eyed desires that they think can be accomodated if they start a revolution or something."
12:42 mircea_popescu ha! epic.
12:44 mircea_popescu "here's a lithmus test on "good ideas": if it were applied to you, would you still think it's a good idea? in other words: if you can't imagine yourself as the vendor, maybe it's time to drop the good idea stuff, too?"
12:44 mircea_popescu booyaa
~ 17 minutes ~
13:02 mircea_popescu since we're talking security, as in, false subjective sense of, here's an excellent read on the topic :L
13:02 assbot Why You Need A Degree To Work For BigCo
13:02 mircea_popescu it's mindblowing just how clever, on the point and far seeing reginald braithwaite is, while at the same time how idiotically fixated on "equality" and "empathy" and all the rest of that pointless drivel.
13:03 mircea_popescu rarely has the imbecile/genius duality been more pointedly on display.
13:04 mircea_popescu not that he's that much of a genius, or that much of an imbecile. but then again, to display dynamic equilibrium you aren't particularly better served by a VERY LONG lever.
13:04 mircea_popescu much more instructive is a lever of reasonable length that sits put on its support a long time.
13:04 * asciilifeform drank tea
13:05 asciilifeform make a sport out of rubbing its hopes, aspirations and legitimate expectations into the dirt >> try being a pauper in the Big Zone some time...
13:06 mircea_popescu you know... i wasn't born rich.
13:06 asciilifeform hire doppelganger >> try this with people who worked in same room with you for years.
13:06 mircea_popescu it will work. call him your legal representative, or w/e.
13:06 mircea_popescu they'll get used to it.
13:06 mircea_popescu people often thought mpoe-pr is me, or male, or so forth.
13:06 mircea_popescu people wish to believe.
13:07 TheNewDeal I thought so
13:07 asciilifeform legal representative will point out errors in ancient fortran code, or resolder a loose component?
13:07 TheNewDeal it just sounds like you're writing
13:07 asciilifeform then where would i come in asking for pay, after that.
13:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no. but to be present.
13:07 mircea_popescu errors will be communicated on the next pass.
13:07 mircea_popescu and i doubt what you do for a living is solder jobs.
13:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: know the 'which screw' joke ?
13:08 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal that is merely good discipline on the part of the actor in question.
13:08 asciilifeform << quoted here
13:08 assbot Knowing which screw to turn
13:08 asciilifeform ancient tale
13:08 mircea_popescu i do, but you're really arguing a lot on a very narrow square inch of footing.
13:09 mircea_popescu i don't care how deeply anchored in the core of the world it may be. it's a square inch and it's getting flattened.
13:10 kakobrekla <mircea_popescu> you know... i wasn't born rich. <
13:10 assbot TubeChop - Life Stinks 1991) (00:10)
13:10 mircea_popescu kakobrekla hahaha, but no.
13:11 mircea_popescu at the time i was a 16yo with his own driver, my father earned an impressing $680 a year.
13:11 * asciilifeform agrees in principle with mircea_popescu. but only gets to eat by 'turning correct screw' because of a set of personal connections which, as usual, aren't portable.
13:11 mircea_popescu and it WAS impressive, for the time and place. because hey, the russians tried to build an utopia of empathy and equality, and failed.
13:12 mircea_popescu the result being, that everyone involved with the attempt earned peanuts. just like your average gi joe today earns whatever hundred bitcoins and thinks it a big deal.
13:12 asciilifeform karl friedrich gauss was also an impressive chap at 16, if in different ways, yes
13:12 mircea_popescu (yes, yes, i know, bitcoins aren't inflationary etc. but the hundreds to peanuts comparison is not there)
13:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's a lot of value in looking for the easy way out, a point easily missed by naggum and im sure gauss, and many other very smart people.
13:14 mircea_popescu all good math is based on a CORRECT easy way out.
13:14 mircea_popescu ie, one that is actually homologous with the solution, not merely easy.,
13:14 asciilifeform gauss actually is interesting to mention here, given as he made many 'leaps of intuition' - most of them, into neverneverland. he knew this, even, and so refrained from publishing most of his work
13:14 mircea_popescu there's no prizes for doing things the obvious, hard way, outside of a heartfelt obituary by an age worn woman with beautiful blue eyes
13:15 asciilifeform (including his non-euclidean geometry pieces)
13:15 mircea_popescu that part wasn't so bad was it ?
13:15 asciilifeform that part - mostly worked!
13:15 asciilifeform but he sat on it.
13:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform now read the bwaithe piece
13:16 * asciilifeform reads
13:18 asciilifeform lol
13:18 asciilifeform there are firms like this, somewhere. can't say i ever saw one alive in person, but then again how would i.
13:20 asciilifeform there's a lot of value in looking for the easy way out << yes:
13:21 asciilifeform !s cheetah zoo
13:21 assbot 1 results for 'cheetah zoo' :
13:21 * asciilifeform continues search for fence hole
13:22 mircea_popescu well the easy way out involves expert cheating.
13:22 mircea_popescu guy even fucking quotes seinfeld.
13:23 mircea_popescu oh, weird world that has such variety in it.
13:25 mats_cd03
13:26 mats_cd03 or, 'how to engineer paranoia into a pleb still using facebook'
13:27 mircea_popescu :D
13:27 mircea_popescu worthy cause.
13:27 asciilifeform another old-time favourite - custom router firmware.
13:27 asciilifeform (was surprised when read 'roommate' and joke did not involve above)
13:29 mircea_popescu <<< actually that is the missing stone i was looking for.
13:29 assbot High Anxiety
13:30 mircea_popescu fucktard is so affraid of this world he's stuck in "empathy" and "equality" and herpy-derp because god forbid, what if!!11
13:30 mircea_popescu ah reading is such a pleasure.
13:30 asciilifeform lol srsly? 'destroyed' by game of go ?!
13:32 mircea_popescu anxious type.
13:33 mircea_popescu if i step on a snail, strictly for the purpose of stepping on the snail, he'll prolly go berserk on me just out of the need to somehow resolve the anxiety he feels
13:33 asciilifeform if 'destroyed' by losing at go, what'll become of him when dealing with folks actually bent on his destruction ?
13:33 mircea_popescu "it's just a fucking snail" not available to his mind
13:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform his life is dedicated to their inexistence.
13:33 asciilifeform how can man persist in that state, day after day, and not fellate his pistol ?
13:33 mircea_popescu hence he hates "racists", those people who say things like "it's just a fucking snail"
13:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's a whole swath of other nonsense built on nonsense.
13:34 mircea_popescu it... works.
13:34 asciilifeform i bet he at least polishes it every day, and plays with it, and considers.
13:34 asciilifeform like the 'dulap' man's grandfather.
13:34 mircea_popescu that's why the fucking bigco hires what he describes.
13:34 mircea_popescu because if it hired disruptive, fearless folks... well... who knows what rocking the boat could do.
13:35 mircea_popescu if i went to work for google/apple/pepsi/w/e and in the first month a hundred employees killed themselves, i'd just welcome the news, and definitely blog about it.
13:35 mircea_popescu but for pepsico itself... well... too much.
13:35 asciilifeform oh and... are we sure this creature is a male ?
13:35 mircea_popescu well yes.
13:35 mircea_popescu depending quite what you mean.
13:35 mircea_popescu he's the coffeejava guy
13:35 asciilifeform ahaa
13:36 * asciilifeform floored by the sheer perversity
13:36 mircea_popescu perversion is the only enduring contribution of mankind to the universe.
13:36 asciilifeform except for the puritanical variety, which, in al schwartz's words, 'has the unique damnation of being both perverse and boring.'
13:37 mircea_popescu they're all boring to the right eyes.
13:37 mircea_popescu "for every breathtakingly hot woman you ever see, there's a cock somewhere flacid at her mere memory"
13:39 TheNewDeal ^hahahaha
13:39 mircea_popescu "He and I became fast friends and life was rather wonderful. We were both self-employed and often worked from home together in our own little co-working space. We occasionally would hang out with friends together and one day he decided to have some fun with me." <<< WE BUILT OUR OWN CUBICAL!!1 out of materials found in every home! read the secret that has all middle managers jealous!
13:40 asciilifeform laugh, laugh, but i once visited the home of a man who built own cube.
13:40 asciilifeform then again, history tells us of at least four who built... own guillotines.
13:40 mircea_popescu well i used to be friends with this nutso who built his own.... guillotine.
13:40 asciilifeform and used them personally.
13:40 asciilifeform lol!!!
13:40 mircea_popescu heh.
13:40 asciilifeform 'inb4'
13:40 mircea_popescu he didn't use it, but it was illegal. somehow, i still don't know how this worked, tbh.
13:41 asciilifeform ah usually the builder puts it to use personally.
13:41 mircea_popescu guy was well disturbed tho, and the puzzlement of teh authorities threw him over the edge
13:41 asciilifeform with a timer, or otherwise
13:42 nubbins` lit candle placed diagonally under the rope
13:42 asciilifeform one did this, yes
13:43 * asciilifeform recently went to a dusty old book store, where saw a reprint of newspaper piece about that one.
13:43 nubbins` wax timer :D
13:43 mircea_popescu seems the best would be, immerse penis, use displaced volume to actuate, watch porn
13:43 asciilifeform another had a water clock timer
13:44 asciilifeform one, if i recall, also had a chloroform rag in the loop somehow
13:44 nubbins` glue piezo element to butthole, feed burritos
13:44 nubbins` thousand solutions to this problem
13:45 mircea_popescu paint it in manycolors, drop acid.
13:45 asciilifeform in hilarious novel 'stand on zanzibar', there was a service that would, for a fee, execute the client in any one of a variety of 'historic' methods
13:45 asciilifeform e.g. guillotine, the stake, etc
13:45 mats_cd03
13:45 assbot Army's Big PT Test Changes |
13:45 mats_cd03 'Army officials are also looking into how to grade the new tests, with a simple "excellent," "good" or "poor" potentially replacing a pass-fail or a point score.'
13:46 mats_cd03 i loled irl.
13:47 mircea_popescu why
13:47 mircea_popescu ?
13:49 mats_cd03 reminds me of some charter schools i had interacted with as a little one. no more grades, nobody can fail, everyone's a winner.
13:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25235 @ 0.00074979 = 18.921 BTC [+]
13:49 mats_cd03 seems a poor way to run a warrior class, imo.
13:50 mircea_popescu well yes but this is a move from 0/1 not from 0/10
13:53 mircea_popescu "EDIT: I’ve told this story at conferences and in bars for months and absolutely love teaching through humor, but I’ve always been extremely self-conscious about my writing. I want to thank the absolutely amazing people on the /r/marketing subreddit and those in commenting below for giving me such profound feedback and encouragement on this article. I guarantee you that there will be MANY more like it in the very n
13:53 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
13:53 mircea_popescu ear future. Thank you for your support and your laughter."
13:53 mircea_popescu the problem with the facebook ads being that they are absolute rubbish
13:53 mircea_popescu to the degree even the people trying to sell them are trying on the basis of "humor", ie, complete marketing failure.
13:53 TheNewDeal they don't know how to target
13:53 mircea_popescu yes fb, tyvm for having built a car that can't move but is a great guillotine counterweight.
13:54 mircea_popescu if i ever need a way to counterweight a guillotine i'll think of you!
13:54 TheNewDeal just heard a 25 yr o girl that received an "enlarge p3n1s pillz!!"
13:54 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal it is always the ready excuse of the manufacturer of a bad car that "people just don't know how to drive"
13:54 mircea_popescu somehow the same people that know how to game google into the dirt "don't know how to target".
13:56 TheNewDeal google's pretty good. they just query my searches, repeat in ad form
13:57 TheNewDeal I search "gold," all of next week I see gold rubbish
13:58 nubbins` targeted advertising is mirthful
13:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00075008 = 10.5761 BTC [+]
13:59 nubbins` my wife has very little info on her FB page and posts very infrequently
13:59 asciilifeform i want 'targeted' ads every bit as much as roaches want 'targeted' roach spray.
13:59 nubbins` so the algos just default to "xx year old woman" and show her ads for weight loss and wedding planning
14:00 xmj your wife needs wedding planning?
14:00 xmj she's about to serve you a divorce, mate
14:00 nubbins` she's married and can bench press more weight than me ;(
14:01 mircea_popescu nubbins` more weight than you weight or more weight than you press ?
14:01 nubbins` heh. more than i can press
14:01 mircea_popescu well not in mortal danger yet
14:01 mircea_popescu but better grow fat while you still can
14:01 xmj as i said
14:02 nubbins` nah, she can barely bench half my weight right now
14:02 xmj she's about to serve you a divorce, mate
14:02 nubbins` i'm eating potato chips right now to help defend myself
14:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform honestly, i don't see the problem. let them read everything i write and make sense to me.
14:02 nubbins` altho she can pick me up, so there's that
14:02 mircea_popescu i expect no less of a human, why would i deter this of a computer ?
14:04 mircea_popescu << this is a pretty great story
14:04 assbot A Woman's Story
14:05 TheNewDeal ;;nethash
14:05 gribble 260791425.666
14:06 mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats
14:06 gribble Current Blocks: 321894 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 665 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 20 hours, 15 minutes, and 15 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35378016999.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.59984
14:07 mircea_popescu fucking hell 20%
14:07 mircea_popescu how, is what i want to know.
14:07 mircea_popescu 50 ph ? srsly ?
14:09 nubbins` just wait until they turn on the rest of the farm
14:09 mircea_popescu what farm, by now this is a whole planet.
14:09 TheNewDeal that bet is so prime right now
14:10 mircea_popescu speaking of which, am i the only one to find it shocking that the hollow earth crowd hasn't squeezed in on btc mining yet ?
14:10 TheNewDeal ;;ud hollow earth
14:10 gribble | ... hollow balls · Hollow Book · hollow bunny · hollow bunny trauma · hollow conversation · hollowcore · hollow crackin' · Hollow Day ... hollow earth isn't defined.
14:10 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal there's this group that believes the earth is hollow inside, and stuff lives there.
14:10 nubbins` but physics
14:11 TheNewDeal thought it was?
14:11 TheNewDeal ;)
14:11 nubbins` oh you!
14:11 TheNewDeal giggity giggity
14:11 TheNewDeal so I'm trying to test out this mycelium trader bullshit
14:12 TheNewDeal requested a buy from this asshole 4 hours ago
14:12 TheNewDeal no response
14:12 mircea_popescu maybe it has to build the fruiting body
14:13 TheNewDeal come again?
14:14 nubbins` HEH.
14:14 nubbins` insert mushroom-tip joke here
14:14 TheNewDeal lel
14:14 nubbins` ;;google penis envy p. cubensis
14:14 gribble Penis Envy Cubensis - The Hawk's Eye: <>; Psilocybe cubensis : Penis Envy Uncut Spore ... - The Spore Works: <>; Psilocybe cubensis : Albino Penis Envy (APE ver ... - The Spore Works: < (1 more message)
14:17 TheNewDeal thats a head I wouldn't mind swallowing
14:17 TheNewDeal don't quote me on that
14:17 assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
14:17 nubbins` !b 3
14:18 TheNewDeal gracias
14:18 nubbins` blocked in china!
14:18 TheNewDeal 5,000 "bitcoin china ban" threads result
14:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2215 @ 0.00075008 = 1.6614 BTC [+]
14:25 jurov dem phalocybes
14:26 mircea_popescu theymos jailed in china'd sound better tbh.
14:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00074591 = 8.2796 BTC [-]
14:29 TheNewDeal thought he lived in madison, wi?
14:36 nubbins` madison, china, w/e
14:36 nubbins` read an article earlier today that coal burned in china accounts for 20-30% of environmental mercury in usa
14:37 TheNewDeal seems like a hard point to prove
14:38 TheNewDeal didn't the us allow mercury around for many decades?
14:44 nubbins` TheNewDeal: pollution drift from asia is well-understood at this point
14:45 nubbins` fwiw, the US (and canada, and every other country) still allows mercury "around", you just need to put it in a light bulb
14:47 TheNewDeal wikiderpia says largest contribution is from burning fossil fuels
14:48 TheNewDeal "Currently, only Minnesota has a use-restriction law providing that mercury sold in the state will be used only for medical, dental, instructional, research, or manufacturing purposes." Well, what teh fuck else is it going to be used for?
14:48 mircea_popescu <nubbins`> fwiw, the US (and canada, and every other country) still allows mercury "around", you just need to put it in a light bulb <<<
14:48 mircea_popescu better than those evil, inert tungsten ones.
14:48 nubbins` inorite?
14:48 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal masturbation.
14:48 mircea_popescu minnesota is very down on jacking off
14:49 TheNewDeal damn right
14:49 nubbins` i live in fucking canada, i have my heat on for maybe 7-8 months of the year, and soon it will be illegal for me to buy a lightbulb that produces heat
14:49 nubbins` consider the logic
14:50 mircea_popescu soon my foot.
14:50 mircea_popescu they kept derping about this in the eu. as i left romanian, proper lightbulbs were still on sale.
14:50 nubbins` now i have to buy a bulb that contains mercury, and the power plant has to burn more coal to keep me warm
14:50 mircea_popescu you couldn't buy them in the foreign supermarkets. which romanians don't buy from anyway.
14:51 nubbins` you're not allowed to manufacture or import 100W incandescents in canada right now
14:51 nubbins` once current stock depletes, that's it
14:52 TheNewDeal they're gonna kick me out if I try and bring a bulb across the border?
14:52 mircea_popescu from where, the north pole ?
14:52 TheNewDeal usia
14:52 mircea_popescu lol mexico-canada via the us lightbulb ring
14:53 TheNewDeal They only allow you to bring in one carton of smokes
14:54 TheNewDeal you can buy them for ~40USD per carton (10 packs), then they sell em for ~11 CAD
14:54 mircea_popescu the serbs been doing this for a while in timisoara. (serbia not b eing part of the eu)
14:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10085 @ 0.0007464 = 7.5274 BTC [+]
14:57 nubbins` duty-free smokes
14:57 nubbins` cheapest i've seen is japan, $14 for a carton of marl
14:57 TheNewDeal had a friend that would import smokes from china, sell them to his frat memebers
14:57 nubbins` cops hate that
14:57 TheNewDeal said approx 3/10 shipments would get confiscated at the border
14:58 TheNewDeal still worth the money
14:58 nubbins` ehh i think people who bring in contraband smokes are fucking dickheads
14:58 TheNewDeal contraband?
14:58 nubbins` untaxed
14:58 nubbins` like your friend's chinese smokes
14:58 bounce makes'em better. double the sin!
14:59 nubbins` move to a country with free universal health care and see how you feel about it 8)
14:59 TheNewDeal It's just a joke that they're the exact same shit
14:59 mircea_popescu well on the neutral industrial basis of it, a pack is like 20 cents or something.
14:59 TheNewDeal I'm not going to get into the arguement, but smokers are less of a health care burden. They die early and quick
14:59 bounce so only pull that trick in countries that don't have universal healthcare
15:00 mircea_popescu this argument is broken against smoking. it's an argument against universal health care.
15:00 bounce "I hate the local healthcare system, let's smuggle some smokes!"
15:00 mircea_popescu for instance. nonsense breeds any nonsense you chose.
15:02 TheNewDeal Anyways, I wasn't the one smuggling in the smokes. Co-worker was the one, except he legitimately smoked them. Type of brainset that thinks he is saving $X whilst smoking through 9 packs in 10 days
15:03 TheNewDeal Anyways, guy bums a smoke from him outside the hotel, gives him a looney
15:03 TheNewDeal people try to give you quarters in the us
15:04 mircea_popescu lol
15:04 nubbins` dollar smokes, pretty steep
15:04 nubbins` only 9 packs in 10 days tho?
15:04 nubbins` that's hardly even a smoker
15:04 mircea_popescu .ox
15:04 nubbins` i used to do 9 packs in a week
15:05 mircea_popescu i still have a pack someone gave me when i moved here
15:05 nubbins` it'll be 3 years since my last on october 16
15:05 TheNewDeal not bad
15:06 mircea_popescu wait i've been bloggibng for longer than you've been not smoking ?
15:06 mircea_popescu filthy unhabit!
15:06 TheNewDeal hahha
15:06 nubbins` :D
15:06 nubbins` i recall approaching the one-month mark, and a friend suggested i celebrate by smoking all the cigarettes that i hadn't in the past month
15:07 TheNewDeal hahahaha
15:07 mircea_popescu !up Klodet
15:07 nubbins` had a lel, did some mental math, realized that'd be like 700+ cigarettes
15:07 nubbins` realized what i'd been doing to my body :0
15:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 169 @ 0.01083989 = 1.8319 BTC [-]
15:08 mircea_popescu nonsense tho
15:08 mircea_popescu move from say japan to canada,
15:09 mircea_popescu then after a month have all the radiation you missed out on
15:09 mircea_popescu in one go
15:10 TheNewDeal so, just because he hasn't been bathing in radiation, smoking 700 cigarettes in 10 days isn't bad?
15:10 TheNewDeal seems like a stretch
15:11 mircea_popescu no, but the damage in smoking 700 ciggs in one go has more to do with the one go than with the ciggs
15:12 nubbins` probably need an ambulance around the third pack
15:12 mircea_popescu keep a diet for a month, then eat all the food you didn't eat in one sitting. course you'll burst your stomach. etc
15:12 nubbins` heh
15:12 TheNewDeal your esophagus would just swell closed
15:13 mircea_popescu none of this to propose smoking is healthy or anything
15:13 nubbins` anyway, obv all in one go is worse, point is i smoked 700 cigs a month
15:13 mircea_popescu just, gotta keep up appearances at technicality club
15:13 nubbins` heh.
15:13 TheNewDeal kind of reminds me of the monkeys that died from smoking cannabis
15:13 TheNewDeal anyone hear of that experiment?
15:13 nubbins` technicality club: "can i take your coat sir?" "it's a blazer"
15:13 mircea_popescu nope
15:14 nubbins` TND is that one of those face-mask-pumping-pure-smoke deals?
15:14 nubbins` sounds vaguely familiar
15:15 TheNewDeal
15:15 assbot The Government's Monkey Experiment
15:15 TheNewDeal Can't remember where I heard of it first, but thats the tldr I guess
15:15 nubbins`
15:16 TheNewDeal what in the fack
15:16 Klodet nubbins is this you
15:16 Klodet and yours dad?
15:17 TheNewDeal looked like an emaciated schwarznegger (sp)
15:20 mircea_popescu i wonder if smoking will ever be replaced by something equally insane
15:20 mircea_popescu "gargle volcano water"
15:20 mircea_popescu "insert dung into your rectum"
15:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12582 @ 0.00074851 = 9.4178 BTC [+]
15:21 TheNewDeal well vodka shots up the ass
15:21 TheNewDeal thats close
15:22 mircea_popescu vodka is no good, but spritz will definitely loose up any woman.
15:22 nubbins` nah, just some guys
15:23 nubbins`
15:23 assbot A 15 Centimeter Hagfish Nano-thread With Near Gigapascal Tensile Strength Is Wound Up In A Single Cell | Neomatica
15:23 mircea_popescu << i can't remember this guy's name
15:24 mircea_popescu any francophone with vaillant experience ?
15:26 TheNewDeal At my old job, got to see a manufacturing process for high strength power lines (for longer spans than normal, like a wide river). They had to extrude these extremely fine threads, over hundreds of meters in length, and if a few broke, it was all scrap
15:29 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: do you have background for naggum's "Free Software is a protest movement. Open Source is just a weapon." comment in that "business plan" thread?
15:30 ben_vulpes "(watch GNU ls acquire
15:30 ben_vulpes "human" sizes, for instance: multiples of 1000, instead of 1024.)" << this is what human means on unix?!
15:30 * ben_vulpes boggles
15:31 xmj ben_vulpes: GNU's not unix
15:31 xmj (seriously.)
15:31 ben_vulpes right.
15:31 ben_vulpes is "human" 1000 across all of gnu?
15:32 xmj GNU tools are pretty much invariant across all linux distributions, if that's what you mean
15:36 ben_vulpes sounds like well-cast braindamage.
15:38 TheNewDeal are 2^x numbers not human readable?
15:39 ben_vulpes i'm coming to the conclusion that i'm an alien
15:39 ben_vulpes i started playing with tiling window managers recently, to the horror of the golden cage people surrounding me
15:39 ben_vulpes "but there are tools for manipulating your workspace!"
15:39 ben_vulpes "and do you use them?"
15:40 ben_vulpes "no..."
15:40 ben_vulpes "have you tried them?"
15:40 ben_vulpes "a little..."
15:41 ben_vulpes just enough to uncover their wholesale inadequacy and go back to the miserable rodential dragging and resizing of windows around monitors
15:42 TheNewDeal I found it mildly convenient that you could drag and smash the windows to the edge and get it to cover half
15:44 TheNewDeal windows usability is just going through teh roof
15:44 ben_vulpes i read too much about lisp machines this weekend
15:44 ben_vulpes not good for my tiny little brain
15:44 ben_vulpes makes me unhappy in my cage
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16:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5556 @ 0.00074851 = 4.1587 BTC [+]
16:03 decimation mircea_popescu: Your "a woman's story" link is a nice story, but it does not present a picture of usg employment law today.
16:04 nubbins` hard to beat osx app expose for workflow
16:04 decimation Note that even in the 'dark ages', the employer accepted her skills and hired her.
16:04 nubbins` dem gestures
16:04 nubbins` dat exploded view
16:04 nubbins` etc
16:05 decimation Today usg requires that employers hire 'qualified' employees: << which means that if the black guy barely meets the 'criteria' for a job, then you must hire
16:05 assbot Federal Laws Prohibiting Job Discrimination: Questions AndAnswers
16:05 ben_vulpes try working with a text editot full-screened, nubbins`.
16:05 ben_vulpes editor*
16:05 nubbins` why would i want to :(
16:06 ben_vulpes to understand my helllllllllll
16:06 decimation ben_vulpes: using emacs on a mac - I find the most fustrating thing is the "C-up arrow"
16:06 decimation I often switch between "C-p,C-n" and the arrow keys
16:06 decimation a mistype will move my desktop or minimize my window or whatever
16:07 nubbins` ...have you considered changing your osx keyboard shortcuts?
16:07 ben_vulpes for extra hell, bind meta to cmd
16:07 ben_vulpes decimation:
16:08 ben_vulpes and forgo meta-tab
16:08 decimation I did take your suggestion of switching caps lock and ctrl, makes my 'emacs pinky' go away.
16:08 decimation yeah I've been eyeing the useless 'super' binding
16:09 ben_vulpes are you using the matsuhiro port?
16:10 ben_vulpes (also horrible is how os x handles new windows for application a when application a is full screen on a monitor somewhere: nondeterministically!)
16:10 decimation no I'm using emacs from macports
16:10 decimation yeah I use two monitors and osx is crazy with window management
16:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 59 @ 0.01085 = 0.6402 BTC [+]
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16:29 thestringpuller ben_vulpes still around?
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16:54 thestringpuller !ticker m s.mpoe
16:54 assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00074591 / 0.00074857 / 0.00075121 (658197 shares, 492.71 BTC), 7D: 0.00074591 / 0.00075255 / 0.0007685 (4117488 shares, 3,098.65 BTC), 30D: 0.00059659 / 0.00075279 / 0.00086605 (15827569 shares, 11,914.99 BTC)
16:56 penguirker New blog post:
17:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00074745 = 11.0623 BTC [-]
17:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7617 @ 0.00074745 = 5.6933 BTC [-]
17:19 ben_vulpes thestringpuller: yessir?
17:21 ben_vulpes ;;later tell pete_dushenski but only those who committed the crime can be held liable for it - there's no sense in holding "a people" or "a community" liable for actions of their ancestors, is there?
17:21 gribble The operation succeeded.
17:23 bounce happens all the time. like "compensation" for slavery that happened hundreds of years ago.
17:24 bounce (which is of course the embodiment of the white man's evil nature that needs urgent atonement, and nevermind that the scary brown people down in africa practiced it just as much if not more... and to an extent still do)
17:33 oglafbot
17:33 assbot Chirp and mutter
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18:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 51 @ 0.01099999 = 0.561 BTC [-] {2}
18:20 nubbins` !up guruvan
18:20 nubbins` !up bitstein
18:20 nubbins` !up xdotcommer
18:21 nubbins` !up Cory
18:21 nubbins` !up unbalanced
18:27 bounce bot doesn't allow for multiple names on an !up line?
18:29 jurov !up *
18:29 jurov ^or this :D
18:30 nubbins` i don't think so
18:30 nubbins` !up gilgameshugga mius pactr mike_c BananaLotus guruvan belcher Azelphur
18:31 jurov ;;echo !up mius
18:31 gribble !up mius
18:31 jurov okay, this is closed
18:33 jurov
18:33 assbot Programmers could get REPL in official Java | JavaWorld
18:33 jurov ^one big wtf
18:48 bounce compare and contrast
18:48 assbot Stevey's Blog Rants: Execution in the Kingdom of Nouns
18:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00075115 = 22.3843 BTC [+]
19:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00075003 = 9.5629 BTC [-]
19:19 mircea_popescu decimation: Note that even in the 'dark ages', the employer accepted her skills and hired her. << that was exactly my note.
19:19 mircea_popescu boo hoo racism, horribru how they hired the woman after all.
19:22 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: (also horrible is how os x handles new windows for application a when application a is full screen on a monitor somewhere: nondeterministically!) <<< i'd be happy if people just came to some sort of consistent treatment of focus
19:23 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: but only those who committed the crime can be held liable for it - there's no sense in holding "a people" or "a community" liable for actions of their ancestors, is there? << in that case what makes the indians' land the indians' ? they can't be held liable for their ancestors appropriations.
19:29 mircea_popescu sooo according to, this thing > is paying $200+ A DAY for advertising.
19:29 assbot Spinnerette
19:29 mircea_popescu there's just no fucking way.
19:30 BingoBoingo jurov: that would be advice for BingoBoingo, jurov: hire doppelganger, walk out << I'll decline to comment on whether this option has been considered already...
19:34 mircea_popescu !up ben_vulpes`
19:34 ben_vulpes` humbug
19:35 ben_vulpes` but ty
19:35 ben_vulpes` mircea_popescu: regarding the north american indians - is their land theirs? is it not granted to them by the arms which surround, and worthless even at that?
19:36 mircea_popescu i dunno dood, your model.
19:37 nubbins` owning land, imagine
19:38 mircea_popescu "These are the Functional Kingdoms, including Haskellia, Ocamlica, Schemeria" ok that's not bad.
19:38 mircea_popescu trickster is smecher in romanian too.
19:48 mircea_popescu ahjahaha what ? pete meets a neonazi ? lmao.
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20:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22856 @ 0.00075148 = 17.1758 BTC [+] {4}
20:13 thestringpuller ben_vulpes`: didn't catch you
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20:33 cazalla mircea_popescu, nothing to report, i am going to get back to it though
20:39 * kakobrekla has something to report
20:39 * kakobrekla has burnt his finger. ouch.
20:42 mircea_popescu cazalla sorry to hear about your finger.
20:44 thestringpuller mircea_popescu is a real human being and a real hero
20:44 thestringpuller *curb stomp curb stomp*
20:47 BingoBoingo,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/cukoflrofvfssefec65t.gif
20:47 BingoBoingo,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/cveapjpqekxtywto4xpf.gif
20:48 mats_cd03 ;;later tell kakobrekla can we get a multiline up? e.g. 18:30:48 <+nubbins`> !up gilgameshugga mius pactr mike_c
20:48 gribble The operation succeeded.
20:48 mircea_popescu mats_cd03 bad idea srsly.
20:49 mats_cd03 :(
20:49 BingoBoingo !up BlueMeanie4 Good Boy!
20:54 dub its hard being so awesome
20:55 dub not just my cock the actual doing of it
20:56 BingoBoingo !mpif
20:56 assbot F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021650 B (Total: 473.44 B). Delta: -1.08 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00020614 BTC [-]
20:59 mircea_popescu dub whatdja do
21:02 dub saved the world again
21:02 mats_cd03 was your dong involved in the saving of the world?
21:04 dub not that kind of all nighter
21:07 mircea_popescu be specific. use examples.
21:07 penguirker New blog post:
21:10 danielpbarron
21:10 assbot /VictimBlamerMRA Join /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets.
21:11 dub the usual rolling, controlling, hating and operating
21:11 dub holding a whole countries shit down while motherfuckers slipped
21:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.0007517 = 6.8029 BTC [+]
21:14 mircea_popescu lol
21:21 mircea_popescu !up nezZario
21:21 mircea_popescu !up BlueMeanie4
21:22 BlueMeanie4 you should !up me after I see what the subject matter is
21:22 BlueMeanie4 anyway interesting article
21:22 assbot “Homeless hacker” Commander X quits Anonymous, retreats to robot lab | Ars Technica
21:22 BlueMeanie4 just goes to show how pathetic some of these anonymous voices actually are in real life
21:25 mircea_popescu i dun get it.
21:25 mircea_popescu how the fuck is one going to "quit" anonymous. not like you can join it.
21:26 BlueMeanie4 just sort of conjured up some of my recent experiences with NXT ppl
21:27 BlueMeanie4 all these ppl hiding behind anonymity- you really no idea who youre talking to
21:27 BlueMeanie4 you could be working on a software project with a serial killer for all you know
21:28 mircea_popescu for all you know, you could be the son of a closeted gay man.
21:28 mircea_popescu since when do you care what they do ?
21:29 BlueMeanie4 you obviously dont follow my twitter
21:31 mats_cd03 wat
21:31 mircea_popescu i don't follow any twitter.
21:31 mats_cd03 well played if joking.
21:32 mircea_popescu actually... im not so sure anyone follows twitter. it's mostly for speaking, that thing.
21:32 mats_cd03 there are many young people in america that 'follow twitter'
21:32 mircea_popescu anyway, what's the story here, derp couldn't get a secure cpanel environment in 3 tries ?
21:32 mats_cd03 so they can see whatever 140 char blather their favorite personality has to say
21:33 mircea_popescu mats_cd03 yeah well, i meant actual people, not anon mass.
21:33 mircea_popescu as far as that goss, they follow the nature channel and advertising for chrissakes.
21:36 BlueMeanie4 recently Jeff Garzik pointed out that their distributed object code doesnt match their source code
21:36 BlueMeanie4 and then started getting hacked + threats a few days later
21:36 BlueMeanie4 these guys are real class act
21:37 mircea_popescu
21:37 assbot Anonymous Unmasked: Meet Christopher Doyon aka Commander X
21:37 mircea_popescu teh story.
21:37 mircea_popescu BlueMeanie4 and you link this to doyon somehow ?
21:38 mircea_popescu what's next, the ridiculously impotent attempt of teh usg best and brightest on freenode too ?
21:38 mircea_popescu here's a lol : i've still not changed my nickserv pw. har har.
21:39 BlueMeanie4 no not suggesting these two groups of sociopaths are related
21:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00075164 = 9.3955 BTC [-] {2}
21:48 BingoBoingo
21:48 assbot base64_encode($credit_card_number);
21:50 mats_cd03 $conference
21:50 empyex mats_cd03: Next conference starts in 6 months and 26 days. Estimated cost today: 3.31175674 BTC (Details: )
21:54 mircea_popescu wow over 3 huh.
21:54 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
21:54 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 397.62, Best ask: 399.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.38000, Last trade: 397.57, 24 hour volume: 13438.06221814, 24 hour low: 390.0, 24 hour high: 412.59, 24 hour vwap: 401.774501965
21:54 dub mp linking teaparty blawgs
21:54 dub wat nek
21:56 mircea_popescu the future is infinite!
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22:29 Duffer1
22:29 assbot Texas man must pay $40.4M for running Bitcoin-based scam | Ars Technica
22:30 mats_cd03 weak
22:31 mircea_popescu Duffer1 was here yest
22:31 Duffer1 i'm online so much it's always surprising when i find two day old news
22:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20250 @ 0.0007499 = 15.1855 BTC [-] {2}
22:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00075128 = 16.3403 BTC [+] {2}
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23:09 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
23:09 gribble Current Blocks: 321949 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 610 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 20 hours, 4 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35128209834.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 17.7624
23:14 penguirker New blog post:
23:27 mod6 %d
23:27 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 296014.01 in 942 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.24
23:27 mod6 %p
23:28 atcbot >> No data returned from << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 124.61 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.05 TH/s
23:31 BingoBoingo %tslb
23:31 atcbot Time Since Last ATC Block (#45426): 3 hour(s), 35 minutes
23:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00075231 = 2.5202 BTC [+]
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