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01:52 cgra is it already time to consider how online codes doable in integer/(lean-ada/fpga)-friendly math? plenty of floats atm
~ 3 hours 40 minutes ~
05:33 cgra i suppose, if going to eventually lock into constant oc parameters, 'un-floating' not difficult (nfi about fpga...). may as well do it now, on numpy/scipy rng-isms replacement? but could keep max_check_block_degree (F) calculation as is, until parameters chosen
~ 15 minutes ~
05:48 cgra afaict, ocpy's xorshift here, and maybe here.
05:49 cgra and afaict, ocpy-relevant numpy Generator's choice() and integers() here, but an apparent pointless puzzle, as phf suggested.
~ 4 hours 21 minutes ~
10:10 asciilifeform cgra: 'unfloating' imho a+++ idea
10:13 * asciilifeform will note tho that he did not have notion of stuffing lubyism decoder per se into fpga; rather, to use the latter as a pass-through packet filter, with regular comp receiving valid packets strictly
10:17 asciilifeform !q seen-anywhere shinohai
10:17 dulapbot shinohai last seen in #asciilifeform on 2022-11-30 14:36:28: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-11-30#1114242 << email received, did not unpeer but will dive in firther when back @ desk later.
10:17 asciilifeform hrm nm, asciilifeform's bot not eats foo[bar|baz|etc] properly
~ 47 minutes ~
11:05 phf http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-02#1021940 << first one is correct, xorshift1024_next is taken exactly from http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-01#1021924
11:05 bitbot Logged on 2023-02-02 05:48:49 cgra[jonsykkel]: afaict, ocpy's xorshift here, and maybe here.
11:05 bitbot Logged on 2023-02-01 22:33:46 phf[deedbot|awt]: i assume "xorshift1024" that they use is from this paper https://vigna.di.unimi.it/ftp/papers/xorshift.pdf, but i'm not quite sure what sort of magic scipy's generator use to e.g. produce Generator(…).random() or choice() or any other results
11:08 phf the second one is "jump" it lets you rotate the state equivalent to 2**512 individual generations. it is somehow used in parallel code…
~ 1 hours 39 minutes ~
12:48 cgra phf, right. couldn't immediately tell whether this 'jump' would end up being useful or not
12:56 cgra http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-02#1021943 << valid signatures only or even broader validation? something that requires memory (like getdata flagging)?
12:56 bitbot Logged on 2023-02-02 10:13:12 asciilifeform[4]: will note tho that he did not have notion of stuffing lubyism decoder per se into fpga; rather, to use the latter as a pass-through packet filter, with regular comp receiving valid packets strictly
~ 31 minutes ~
13:27 billymg http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-01-30#1021796 << i do think there would be a market for that here with expats who [thought that they] escaped the totalitarian west
13:27 bitbot Logged on 2023-01-30 14:29:45 signpost: billymg thinks there is an expat community in CR that may buy this type of product.
13:30 billymg http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-01-30#1021803 << i'm in a similar mode currently. at some point towards the end of last year something finally flipped for me and i decided to fully embrace living on a farm/compound vs. the sort of "digital nomad" / "i'm just a tourist here" mindset i was stuck in before
13:30 bitbot Logged on 2023-01-30 14:34:27 signpost: yep, would like to hear more thoughts from billymg. I'm still sorta in get fiats, convert to buttcorn, ammo, and land mode, but not impossible to persuade.
13:31 billymg i've been getting my hands dirty with actual physical work on the property, just this morning finished tearing down some old wooden shelves in the bodega in preparation for a remodel (tons of fun doing so with a sledge hammer)
13:40 asciilifeform http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-02#1021952 << nah, simply 'martian or not', i.e. iron anti-ddos pill
13:40 bitbot Logged on 2023-02-02 12:56:12 cgra[jonsykkel|signpost]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-02#1021943 << valid signatures only or even broader validation? something that requires memory (like getdata flagging)?
13:42 asciilifeform ( will note, asciilifeform not expects to actually bake these, because not knows how to bake any iron whatsoever economically )
13:42 bitbot Logged on 2023-01-30 14:36:13 asciilifeform[5]: the unfortunate thing is that the only 'cheap' iron is likely to be whatever you currently have, + what's in scrapyard
13:43 asciilifeform http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-02#1021956 << actual farm, i.e. taking things to market ? (or simply home garden?)
13:43 bitbot Logged on 2023-02-02 13:30:22 billymg[jonsykkel|awt]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-01-30#1021803 << i'm in a similar mode currently. at some point towards the end of last year something finally flipped for me and i decided to fully embrace living on a farm/compound vs. the sort of "digital nomad" / "i'm just a tourist here" mindset i was stuck in before
13:44 asciilifeform http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-02#1021954 << asciilifeform still wonders how many ~actually~ escaped, given observation 'where you actually live is where yer dough lives'
13:44 bitbot Logged on 2023-02-02 13:27:49 billymg: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-01-30#1021796 << i do think there would be a market for that here with expats who [thought that they] escaped the totalitarian west
13:47 billymg asciilifeform: i don't even have a home garden, only some chickens
13:48 asciilifeform billymg: even here lotsa folx have these nao
13:48 billymg yeah, i didn't mean i'm prepping for when the grocery stores close
13:48 asciilifeform cheap worm-to-food converter
13:50 billymg for one i don't think that will happen, and there are enough small farm operations in my area that i could probably barter with them
13:50 asciilifeform a, saw 'farm/compound', assumed > 'backyard chicken'
13:52 billymg asciilifeform: there was just so much that needed to be done, it was overwhelming, realized i would have to get involved myself. can't just hire idiot contractor and not know what they're doing
13:54 billymg when i got up into one of the ceiling recently to run the wire for a security cam system realized how bad things can turn out when you just let the contractor do it
13:54 * asciilifeform personally not sees appeal of bananistan, after learned about prices, not only of real estate but extortionate import taxes, remailer fees, etc
13:55 asciilifeform de gustibus non est disputandum (tm) tho.
13:55 billymg asciilifeform: don't need bananistan, plenty of rural parts of the US where you could do this
13:56 * billymg is not trying to convince asciilifeform, already knows the 9001 reasons why he can't/won't
13:56 asciilifeform billymg: 'rural usa' tends to mean 'satellite net pipe' and (what can't buy from local farm) phood -- from lolmart
13:57 * asciilifeform periodically looks into subj
13:57 * billymg has cheap fiber here, believe it or not
13:57 asciilifeform iirc phf got it to work (tho didn't say how much time/dough spends on 'going to town' to resupply)
13:59 asciilifeform as asciilifeform understands, it only worx well 'as part of balanced diet' of actually socializing with the locals / building into meatwot
14:00 billymg asciilifeform: is what i'm doing now, and part of what i meant by no longer in the "digital nomad" / tourist mentality
14:00 asciilifeform a.
14:00 asciilifeform billymg: got new passport yet ?
14:01 billymg for instance, first remodeling project i did here pretty much just forked over dough to an expat, gave design direction, waited for result
14:01 billymg now i work with workers directly
14:01 * asciilifeform spent a great deal of time remodeling w/ hands.
14:02 billymg asciilifeform: passport in costa rica is only after 5-7 years
14:03 billymg asciilifeform: it's nice, i like doing it
14:03 asciilifeform continuous?
14:04 billymg no, but in doses large enough for http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-05-31#1104372
14:04 bitbot (asciilifeform) 2022-05-31 asciilifeform: juggling bits, interestingly, appears not to provide this basic nutrient. even on modern shitcomp, softs behave too much like ideal 'spherical horse' philosophical object, do not supply the needed contact with reality ( and, worse, dysfunctional in ways which ~actively promote~ insanity )
14:05 billymg or did you mean for passport? in that case, yes
14:06 billymg can take trips, but some limit on how long you can be away from the us
14:06 billymg away from cr i mean
14:07 billymg no one here cares about anything though, see e.g.
14:07 bitbot Logged on 2023-01-09 13:55:41 awt: asciilifeform: I was in fact already stopped a few days after the limit. For some reason they let me off and gave me a fist bump.
14:07 billymg so no real need for passport
14:09 asciilifeform where need passport ftr
14:09 dulapbot Logged on 2023-01-09 14:10:58 asciilifeform: awt: not only report, but this appears to be enuff of a headache for'em that in many places they simply tell you to fuckoff if you've only us passport.
14:09 billymg ah, not had that problem yet
14:09 asciilifeform reich won't letcha outta their tax plantation unless you have new 1
14:10 billymg asciilifeform: that's true, still gotta file taxes every year
14:11 asciilifeform not only file, but pay twice neh
14:11 billymg asciilifeform: to be fair though, i imagine you could even officially renounce, have it officially accepted, and still be shaken down at some later date if some bureaucrat is having a bad day and happens to notice you for whatever reason
14:12 billymg There is no Rule of Law™
14:12 billymg so why bother?
14:12 billymg see, e.g. the "liberty reserve" guy
14:12 asciilifeform billymg: not heard of a documented case of this actually happening to date. tho obv not impossible
14:12 asciilifeform (outside of cases where victim voluntarily returned to usa)
14:12 * signpost learned recently that can't renounce on behalf of one's child, lol
14:13 billymg http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-02#1022006 << i don't pay taxes twice, no
14:13 bitbot Logged on 2023-02-02 14:11:04 asciilifeform[jonsykkel|awt|deedbot]: not only file, but pay twice neh
14:13 billymg cr doesn't tax foreign sourced income
14:14 asciilifeform billymg: iirc usa inmate Officially owes tax even if living off reservation
14:14 asciilifeform usa afaik the only jursdiction that does
14:14 billymg signpost: not your child, belongs to the 'village'
14:15 signpost yup, beaten into one at every step of the journey.
14:15 billymg asciilifeform: right, but where's the "double"?
14:16 * billymg files taxes in the US with same accountant he was using when he resided there
14:16 asciilifeform billymg: a, makes sense, not 'double' if cr not taxes foreign
14:16 signpost how are the property taxes?
14:16 asciilifeform from asciilifeform's pov, tho, 90% of the point of getting outta usa is to get outta their tax
14:17 billymg 0.25% !
14:17 * signpost not in any rush, but might buy an exit option at some point.
14:17 signpost hot damn
14:20 asciilifeform http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-02#1022013 << afaik only worx 1-way, 'roach motel'-style (can enlist child into usg slavery, but not take out)
14:20 bitbot Logged on 2023-02-02 14:12:50 signpost: learned recently that can't renounce on behalf of one's child, lol
14:20 asciilifeform unsurprise.
14:20 billymg signpost: re: non-pozzed security system market, i haven't done any of the exploration legwork yet, so still just a hunch that there would be demand for it
14:20 signpost can get her dual. kid's responsible for her own conscience from there. :)
14:21 asciilifeform billymg: q is whether 'there's demand' at the price point where could actually make anyffin, rather than in abstract
14:21 billymg asciilifeform: right, that too
14:21 signpost https://github.com/OpenIPC << found this thing, and bought some cameras that purport to be supported. haven't had a chance to attempt reflash yet.
14:21 asciilifeform ( elementarily, there 'is demand' for damn near anyffin, if price is ~= lolmart's )
14:21 signpost but open firmware can be had, apparently.
14:22 asciilifeform signpost: asciilifeform quite disillusioned with chinesium 'linux cameras', they crash
14:22 asciilifeform (why? not found out)
14:22 asciilifeform ( and if anyone knows of 1 such where multi-yr uptimes, plox to post )
14:23 awt http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-02#1022025 << see foreign earned income exclusion
14:23 bitbot Logged on 2023-02-02 14:16:59 asciilifeform[jonsykkel|deedbot]: from asciilifeform's pov, tho, 90% of the point of getting outta usa is to get outta their tax
14:23 asciilifeform awt: iirc the max exclusion is a pittance
14:24 awt 112k is not a pittance me personally
14:25 asciilifeform given 'the real inflation'(tm), will be in not too long
14:28 awt 30k here, 25k there, pretty soon you're talking big numbers.
14:34 signpost http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-02#1022039 << will let ya know. no crashes out of this guy yet, but haven't paid close attention.
14:34 bitbot Logged on 2023-02-02 14:22:00 asciilifeform[5]: signpost: asciilifeform quite disillusioned with chinesium 'linux cameras', they crash
14:35 signpost ideally would like to put an open firmware on one and have the thing take commands over pest (move, zoom, etc) and fart out video feed probably over fountain code. something like that.
~ 19 minutes ~
14:55 asciilifeform signpost: asciilifeform was thinking of some non-obv. applications (e.g. camera pointed at sumthing nonseekrit, or at least sumthing you wouldn't mind yer l1 seeing, as a pill against 'gestapo steals errything, confiscates camera hdd' etc
14:55 asciilifeform )
14:56 asciilifeform ( in context of auto-p2pwarez, that is )
14:56 bitbot Logged on 2022-12-28 18:58:31 asciilifeform[4]: hypothetically, if asciilifeform is in yer l1, you end up with a complete .../you/asciilifeform/*
~ 1 hours 8 minutes ~
16:04 signpost yep I'd participate in that. no problem with l1 being able to see me mowing the lawn, and thereby see if the pigs come blazing in without a warrant, etc.
~ 55 minutes ~
17:00 asciilifeform idea was moar of a 'l1-powered distributed backup disk' than 'they watch' but yes
17:00 signpost sure, that's useful too.
17:01 asciilifeform prolly not so interesting w/out the shortwave replacement for reichnet, tho
17:02 asciilifeform (atm 1st thing 'the pigs' do in an 'interesting' case is to cut yer net pipe)
17:11 phf http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-01#1021937 << i managed to get same result with same seeds from Xorshift1024.random_raw() and own common lisp implementation
17:11 bitbot Logged on 2023-02-01 23:56:16 phf[deedbot]: yeah, i got the seeds out of initialized Xorshift1024, and at this point i should be getting same number out of random_raw() as my lisp version, but no such luck
17:12 phf this was not a complete waste of time, because involved porting c xorshift1024 to lisp and have it work correctly
17:12 signpost ah that's pretty cool.
17:13 signpost curious to see if your impl trounces mine in performance (which I hope!)
17:14 signpost should be very parallel friendly without python's limitations.
17:14 phf which brought up an issue i've encountered before and never had a satisfying solution: there's no way to restrict lisp bit operations to produce direct rewrite of c code, without relying on non-portable hacks
17:17 phf a non-portable solution (in sbcl/cmucl) is to crank up speed 3 safety 0, type annotate everything and then lisp will generate equivalent code that truncates values to specified types
17:19 phf e.g. xorsfhit1024 becomes http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=UZma, and it still generates garbage on that last multiply (it bignums and then truncates, i can't figure out how to make it use a int64bit version of *)
17:23 phf http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-02#1022064 << i'm kind of hoping it'll outperform python single threaded, but seeing as how you use numpy all over the place maybe that won't be the case…
17:23 bitbot Logged on 2023-02-02 17:13:50 signpost[deedbot]: curious to see if your impl trounces mine in performance (which I hope!)
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