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14:02 cruciform hi, diana_coman!
14:04 cruciform May I ask you questions, here; what is the nature of our relationship post-moving on? I’m very grateful for your continued help, but don’t want to presume anything.
14:18 diana_coman hi cruciform. So don't presume and all is well & easy, lol. Other than that though: questions can always be *asked*, how would that part even be somehow depending on anything else? Note that not asking is never really anything other than protecting your own fear of "what if the answer is not what I like to hear" (silence/rejection included),
14:23 diana_coman the pickle however is that if you do *not* ask, you'll... never know the answer, either.
14:24 cruciform aha, so I can be safely ignorant, or else take a risk and speak up
14:25 diana_coman here, found the ref, it's 200% valid for asking too : http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/20/ossasepia-logs-for-29-Oct-2019/#1008057
14:25 sonofawitch 2019-10-29 17:55:51 (#ossasepia) diana_coman: eh, speak, there's nothing worth keeping that you might lose just for the speaking; quite the opposite
14:25 diana_coman "safely" as in maintaining the illusion of safety, that's about it.
14:25 diana_coman and with that illusion, maintaining as well (even growing) the fear(s).
14:26 diana_coman anyway, to make it crystal clear: anyone can ask anything, there's no way *that* somehow magically "can't be done"; it's your action so you can do it.
14:27 diana_coman whether I answer or what or when or so on, is my action though, true enough.
14:28 cruciform I didn't want to give the impression that I thought you were obliged to answer - or otherwise (seem to) be impertinent
14:29 diana_coman you can't control impressions, you know? but I can set your mind at rest there: I don't feel obliged to answer questions in general like that, no, I'm kind of too old (or not British enough perhaps) for that sort of thing.
14:29 cruciform phew :)
14:29 cruciform so
14:29 diana_coman as for the rest, sure, so don't ask impertinently, easy.
14:30 cruciform makes sense! I'm probably spinning/inventing problems
14:30 cruciform but, is there any sense in my asking about the nature of our relationship?
14:33 diana_coman if you want something, you'll have to ask for *that* so be more precise there.
14:34 cruciform for example, I have categories for friend/relative/lover etc., with defined behaviours for each - erm, what category does our relationship fall into - student/teacher?
14:34 diana_coman ahahah
14:35 cruciform :P
14:35 diana_coman alien category!
14:35 diana_coman now what?
14:35 cruciform yes, I thought it might be uncategorisable, or at least one unknown to me
14:36 diana_coman you seriously are telling me that you have a sort of internal/mental 3 ring binder with "defined behaviours for type of... relationships"?
14:36 diana_coman lolz
14:36 cruciform well, in the least autistic way possible
14:37 diana_coman and so if all of a sudden you encounter in this horribly mean world the...alien, what do you do? "error!"
14:37 cruciform but, you know - I'd call my boss "sir", and not tell dirty jokes to someone's grandma - that sort of thing
14:37 diana_coman some grandmas might love them though
14:37 cruciform back to speaking up and taking risks!
14:37 diana_coman and I'd rather bet some grandmas know dirtier jokes than you.
14:38 cruciform lol
14:38 diana_coman this sort of "living by the book-of-rules" is not altogether very... sane, how to put it.
14:39 cruciform what's a better way? ad-hoc play it by ear?
14:39 diana_coman sure, be *aware* of context and knowledgeable but that is an entirely different thing; quite in the same way that learning something is quite different from memorising a pattern of "solving"
14:41 cruciform If I take time to respond, it's because it often takes me 5 goes to parse what you're saying (incidentally, this is only the case with your/MP's text)
14:42 diana_coman getting back to your original question: the more logical thing for you is to figure out what you want it to be and then what to do for that.
14:42 cruciform I thought you might say that!
14:42 cruciform is this a causes/purposes thing?
14:43 diana_coman as the saying goes: so you are not *entirely* an idiot!
14:43 cruciform lol
14:44 cruciform one other thing, is the correct pronunciation of your name "DEE-ana", as opposed to "DIE-ana"?
14:46 cruciform (a Romanian corrected me)
14:46 diana_coman it is but once again, I lived in enough places to not be bothered by ~any of that.
14:47 diana_coman somewhere in the logs I linked once a video with the pronounciation , as someone else asked, I don't quite recall who.
14:47 diana_coman cruciform: re earlier question - it's more an active/passive thing first of all than causes/purposes.
14:49 cruciform what can *I* do to define our relationship, rather than what is done to me by you?
14:49 diana_coman ahaha
14:49 diana_coman figure it out, you know?
14:49 cruciform :p
14:49 cruciform yes - food for thought!
14:50 cruciform ok, I shall ruminate over the above; thanks for your help!
14:50 * cruciform gets back to work
14:51 diana_coman no problem
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15:13 diana_coman cruciform: if it's any help, note perhaps that it tends to be easier to figure out what one does *not* want; arguably it's more important too, anyway.
15:13 * diana_coman is afk
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