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00:26 whaack dorion_road and jfw: bump on q as to whether or not you'll be back and available on Jan 15th.
00:26 ossabot Logged on 2019-12-05 15:12:05 jfw: whaack: pretty sure both dorion_road and I will be back by the 15th fwiw.
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03:05 dorion_road whaack I confirm I'll be back in Panama next Monday and happy to meet up when you visit. Have you booked the trip yet ?
03:05 whaack dorion_road: no, but i will now :)
03:10 dorion_road cool. if you have any questions about where to stay, just ask.
03:10 whaack dorion_road: yes certainly if you have a recommendation, please lmk. also which airport should I fly into?
03:11 dorion_road are you hosteling / hotel / airbnb ?
03:13 whaack dorion_road: if you know of a nice hotel for <$60 a night i'll take that, otherwise i'll do the hostel adventure
03:14 dorion_road whaack, I'd look at what's most convenient / economical from your cr airport. tocumen is the big one, but albrook is in the city and panama pacifico is on the west side of the canal, also close.
03:17 whaack dorion_road: looks like i'm going to go with tocumen
03:19 dorion_road whaack no hotel <$60/night comes to mind. for hostels, selina's in casco viejo is nice and new. I've not stayed there, but been to parties.
03:21 dorion_road selina's probably has shuttles from tocumen, standard airport taxi rate is $30 to the city.
03:21 whaack dorion_road: they have a nice selina in tamarindo as well. sounds fun, alright i'll go with that then.
~ 23 minutes ~
03:45 whaack dorion_road: thx for the help, i pulled the trigger. I get in the evening of Jan 13th and leave the morning of Jan 16th
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04:04 lobbes diana_coman: just letting you know I am back from holidays and at home terminal. Catching up and getting reorganized
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05:32 whaack diana_coman: EOD Report: I did the act-first-think-second comp building this morning we discussed for 3hr. Then I sent 2hr on writing my article with the type of my disassembly notes. I did find a missing part, i do not have screws to mount the ssd and hdd (pcgamingcr did not send the case's assembly kit that contains them.) I ordered them for my mother to bring when she visits this Sunday. For TheFleet I setup basic join/disconnec
05:32 whaack t logging. I looked into logging join/part and it should be something I can get done quickly tomorrow. I have not forgot about the comment and took some time to draft a response.
~ 3 hours 46 minutes ~
09:18 diana_coman lobbes: wb, hope you had a refreshing break.
09:19 diana_coman whaack: hopefully you get the test at least started so it can have a run over the next 2 weeks when it seems you'll not have much time on this.
09:24 diana_coman dorion_road: how's the cruise?
~ 6 hours 21 minutes ~
15:46 whaack diana_coman: Yes I am trying to get some bots connected by tonight / tomorrow midday.
15:49 whaack in scams: when I dropped the "no manuals? then the parts are not new?" message, i got no reply from pcgamingcr until the next day (this morning) "Todo es nuevo si no no dariamos garantia en los artículos" to which i responded "Cuales partes son nuevos y cuáles tienen garantia?"
15:50 diana_coman lolz.
15:50 whaack i think some of the parts actually are new, and they decided to loot the accessories. because for example with the case they gave me the manual, just not the screws that come with it
15:54 diana_coman quite possibly or for that matter even "lost/dropped as unimportant the accessories" wouldn't surprise me much; but at the end of the day, this sort of details really don't matter, as the mess is still the mess, there's not much point to differentiating now between flavours of mess based on...intentions or something.
15:55 diana_coman whaack: did they actually give you any papers for that "garantia"? and even if papers - what exactly are they worth? will they replace the part if it's faulty or what? (I can imagine how that would go,lolz)
15:57 whaack diana_coman: right. i don't care much about figuring out the intentions, i want to play my cards so that i just recuperate as much of my loss as possible. that's why i have not gone full PUTA MADRE ME ENGAÑÓ.
15:58 whaack diana_coman: no i think the garantia is an empty statement but i could ask for some papers for that i guess
16:01 diana_coman sure, you should ask for the papers anyway.
~ 30 minutes ~
16:31 adlai this channel is now unsubscribed from cat facts; whaack may send a private message to request a link to the unsolicited advice
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16:55 whaack diana_coman: I have two categories of messages I need to log. One is a standard message to channel, like the one i'm sending right now. The other type of message I need to log is a special message from fleetbot giving some information, there are currently 4 special messages: a msg when fleetbot connects/disconnects from a channel, and a join/part message. Currently I am using the same table "log" for both types of messages. The ben
16:55 whaack efit of this design is you can do a simple select query on the log ordered by received date and see all the information about a channel you'd typically want in order. The bad part of this design is that the 'special messages' are distinguished from normal messages via ~ 'magic values'
~ 40 minutes ~
17:35 diana_coman whaack: what do you mean by magic values?
17:36 diana_coman it's a different category and you need categories anyway so supposedly there's already a column for that, isn't there?
17:39 whaack diana_coman: I don't have a category column, would be a good addition. as for magic values - there are columns like "host" that I set to "127.0.0.1" for the "special messages"
17:39 whaack er "magic values"
17:42 diana_coman whaack: neah, add the category column; you need it *anyway*, see http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-12-31#1014347
17:42 ossabot Logged on 2019-12-31 11:45:30 diana_coman: I'd rather it did; ideally marked as a different category (so you can filter them out/in later, at analysis time)
17:42 diana_coman and moreover, it IS the sane approach there, what; no 127.0.0.1, why would you even think of that?
17:44 diana_coman whaack: in general: do NOT blindly overload existing parts with whatever new meaning you happen to need on the spot, it's unsanitary, quite disgusting and the start of one full set of clusterfucks.
17:46 whaack diana_coman: As for not adding the column category immediately - I was being stupid for a second. However there still needs to be values put into fields (such as host) that don't have meaning for special messages, even if those values are just null / emptry string.
17:47 whaack My nose was at least working as I could smell the unsanitary code
17:55 diana_coman whaack: the DB has default values, use them; this being said, the fact that you find yourself in the situation where you need to fill in fields that have no meaning for some rows is essentially a sign that you are stuffing in there what doesn't quite belong; whether it's a problem or not, it depends.
17:56 diana_coman whaack: strictly speaking, you are indeed abusing the log table there since the fleetbot "messages" are not irc messages, are they?
17:56 diana_coman so yeah, that "have to fill this which has no meaning" is precisely the flag of your abuse.
17:58 diana_coman whaack: also, the ordering is usually saner by id of message rather than the timestamp which can easily run in all sorts of trouble; is there an id per line?
17:58 whaack diana_coman: yes correct the fleetbot messages are not irc messages.
17:58 diana_coman (in turn, this can further complicate the trouble when you start inserting in there non-message messages); like all design, db design will end up quite a mess if you "just do it".
17:59 whaack diana_coman: each row has a unique id
17:59 diana_coman whaack: basically your fleetbot messages belong in a table of their own and you can always do a join, dbms is good at that; have it log chan id or whatever for link + timestamp or something.
18:00 diana_coman whaack: so myeah, not very helpful to then mess up the sequence of message ids by inserting those non-messages in there.
18:00 diana_coman whaack: I don't recall how much xp you have with sql/similar/db.
18:01 whaack diana_coman: ah well the unique ids are random hexes, i will see to it that they have incrementing ids
18:01 diana_coman uhm, why random hexes?
18:01 whaack diana_coman: that is the design of logbot that I have not changed
18:02 diana_coman ah, huh; I can't see a reason for that; trinque , why did you use random hexes as unique ids for each log line in db?
18:03 diana_coman whaack: just add an auto-incrementing id to the table and the dbms will do the rest for you.
18:05 whaack diana_coman: ack
18:05 diana_coman I somehow rather doubt there's any danger of overflowing the data type there + if it's at that, there's potential trouble in theory with random hexes too via clash.
18:05 * diana_coman will bbl
~ 4 hours 21 minutes ~
22:27 lobbes http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-03#1014489 << ty, it was very refreshing! Good to be back though.
22:27 ericbot Logged on 2020-01-03 09:22:37 diana_coman: lobbes: wb, hope you had a refreshing break.
22:27 lobbes http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/ossasepia/2019-12-24#1013903 << anything specific by Popper you recommend I start with? I started chewing through Kant a bit last year, but didn't get too far (was indeed a bit over my head).
22:27 ericbot Logged on 2019-12-24 17:13:33 diana_coman: ha, forgot lobbes ^
22:33 diana_coman lobbes: he's very readable and quite enjoyable really in ~all I read; the trouble with starting points is that they make sense or not depending on what you already have (or not); otoh, one starts wherever one can anyway, so there isn't any "wrong" starting point either.
22:35 lobbes diana_coman: I think I gotcha. So I kinda have to start chewing through ~something~ to really get the rest anyways
22:35 diana_coman fwiw (and iirc) I think I read first his essays (grouped I think in "in search of a better world") - kind of made me want to listen to what he had to say; the open society and its enemies draws upon a lot of references so on one hand it can be overwhelming if you have no idea of those references, on the other hand you could perhaps use it as a starting point to learn about those too.
22:38 diana_coman lobbes: yes re chewing and also keep in mind that first read is just that - the *first* read, not like you have to attempt the impossible task of "getting everything from this one read"
22:41 diana_coman lobbes: sure, you could in principle go at it historically ie start with the ancients and work your way as they did; it makes for a fun project but I wouldn't call it a very practical approach tbh.
22:41 lobbes this is true re: first reads. Looking back, anything I found worth reading I ended up reading more than once usually
22:42 lobbes lol, yeah starting with the ancients sounds fun but also I think I would perish from this earth before making it too far
22:43 diana_coman that is 1; then reading is re-reading is 2; and usually one needs at least 3 passes to fully get something so that's 3 and we'll stop there as it's quite enough anyway.
22:44 diana_coman lobbes: heh, if you also add the requirement to read them in original, certainly; and that's precisely how one gets both very happy ("will never run out of stuff to do!!!") and totally useless (will *also* never get to *do* anything either)
22:45 diana_coman lobbes: did you enjoy Kant though?
22:48 lobbes diana_coman: I did enjoy (what little I grokked) of Kant. I need to get an english version though, it was an extra layer of confusion trying to see if I was getting the German translated correctly
22:49 lobbes It was an enjoyable exercise, but then I think that rolls into your 'never be bored, but never get to do anything' point just above
22:52 diana_coman well, let me translate for you and the logs, this tidbit that might shed some light on my take on philosophy overall so what I say on it gets a bit of context too: I was once before sworn at by a philosopher as he said I was a philosopher myself.
22:53 diana_coman lobbes: but re Kant, I asked because on reflection, initially I hadn't included you in the recommendation for Popper mainly because I thought you were quite likely to enjoy Kant possibly even more.
22:55 diana_coman basically I spent quite a lot of years considering all philosophers idiots :D
22:56 lobbes haha. For what reasons though? Too much opining about and not enough practical bits?
23:02 diana_coman lobbes: well, I was very young indeed (about 15-20 pretty much); looking back at it, I'd say that philosopher guy I mention in the comment had seen something ie it was a combination of "hah, I'll make my OWN if I need one, thank you very much" + they'll talk of everything and do nothing + some idiots as "teachers" of the subject in school (+ possibly more tbh).
23:03 * diana_coman will bbl
23:08 lobbes that combination does resonate with me in a familiar way, I can say, esp. at that age.
23:08 * lobbes will also bbl
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