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00:00 The20YearIRCloud from my standpoint it doesnt matter, internally we are doing great
00:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00074357 = 19.5559 BTC [+] {2}
00:07 Vexual when are you moving to the 70% wage?
00:07 The20YearIRCloud don't know, talking to investors and there's a possibility i won't
00:08 The20YearIRCloud right now i can go to 70% on mill & logan, but instead i've personally been taking around a 25%-30% wage and just putting the rest of it back into the company account
00:08 Vexual 53 is fairly handsome
00:08 The20YearIRCloud havent been taking irt
00:08 The20YearIRCloud *it
00:08 Vexual makes sense
00:09 The20YearIRCloud ive been taking 750-1000/mo this year out of an allowed $1500-$3500
00:09 Vexual i assume you're a shareholder tooo
00:09 The20YearIRCloud yes
00:09 The20YearIRCloud i've put almost all my btc/liquid buying stock back overlast week
00:15 Vexual "putting it back into the company account" this means you gift it to the company?
00:15 Vexual or can you take it back out again?
00:25 The20YearIRCloud i'm tallying the difference, figure some day when company is flush with cash i'll cash out
00:25 The20YearIRCloud but i dont plan on really taking anything out, too much incentive for me to do that
00:26 Vexual i could hear your calculator from here
00:27 The20YearIRCloud its on the spreadsheet
00:33 thickasthieves for a while the coinbase price was same as bitstamp, 300
00:33 thickasthieves now it's 1% higher
00:33 thickasthieves even though bitstamp wall is still there
00:34 thickasthieves lil skimmers
00:34 thickasthieves its all good though, now they wont get 1% from me
00:34 thickasthieves (was gonna arb)
00:37 TheNewDeal on shitstamp, if someone has 15000 coins at 300, and then I place 1 coin @ 300, how do they choose which coin is purchased? First come first serve?
00:38 thickasthieves yes
00:38 thickasthieves have to wait in line
00:38 thickasthieves so sell for 299.99
00:39 asciilifeform re: DARPA obfuscator grants << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2014#481151
00:39 assbot Logged on 05-02-2014 03:56:24; asciilifeform: i venture to say that the actual goal of general-purpose (or whatever approximation is possible) homomorphic crypto is quite different.
00:40 asciilifeform and, in general:
00:40 asciilifeform !s homomorphic
00:40 assbot 23 results for 'homomorphic' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=homomorphic
00:41 mircea_popescu wtf vexual is now like doing financial auditing
00:41 mircea_popescu how long have i been away!
00:41 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: An eternity in cointime
00:41 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
00:41 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 299.41, Best ask: 300.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.59000, Last trade: 299.42, 24 hour volume: 72840.32833589, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 339.43, 24 hour vwap: 304.241790685
00:42 mircea_popescu 73k eh.
00:42 TheNewDeal really now
00:42 asciilifeform there's a reason no one but usg funds the 'homomorphic' work. it is - their wet dream.
00:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10524 @ 0.00074236 = 7.8126 BTC [-]
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01:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00074236 = 9.5764 BTC [-]
01:12 thickasthieves http://blog.okcoin.com/2014/10/06/who-is-leading-the-bitcoin-price-change/
01:12 assbot Who is Leading the Bitcoin Price Change – OKCoin Blog
01:12 thickasthieves "As I am writing this, BitStamp & BTC-e prices (300) are 3% lower than OKCoin (311) and other Chinese exchanges, indicating users outside of China are driving down the prices, and China is following the price drop. Simple as that!"
01:12 thickasthieves so i guess its okcoin's stamp wall
01:13 Vexual i still say its sparta
01:14 thickasthieves this is
01:18 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
01:18 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 300.0, vol: 74725.66270778 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 303.33, vol: 24330.77289 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 309.76, vol: 91335.63288959 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 309.99, vol: 109.04095822 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 309.718512, vol: 76657.88270000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 304.9, vol: 53.23614283 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 327.997737405, vol: 150.19677005 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
01:23 xanthyos BingoBoingo: why is thedrinkingrecord down?
01:23 BingoBoingo xanthyos: Hosting company messing with servers
01:24 xanthyos wow
01:24 thickasthieves coinbase price 312 now
01:24 thickasthieves fukn asshats
01:26 thickasthieves lol that Circle test i wanted to do a few days ago, they said my purchase "failed"
01:27 thickasthieves Status: Canceled
01:27 thickasthieves thats all the info
01:29 penguirker New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/2-bitcoin-users-who-decided-to-break-bad/
01:29 thickasthieves Circle price is 304 +8.82 in fees fwiw...
01:37 BingoBoingo thickasthieves: You know unlike silver this seems the perfect way to break JP Morgan. Buy BTC with credit cards, send to external address default on the card.
01:37 thickasthieves yeah pretty good leak
01:38 thickasthieves bitcoin is proof that black holes exist
01:38 thickasthieves :)
01:38 Vexual spend the next 8 years chillin with ross
01:45 * Vexual likes qntra.net : telling me shit i din't know
01:46 punkman https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=20223.0
01:46 assbot Stockgeneration.com The Forgotten Lessons We Learned & Mt Gox.
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02:04 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
02:04 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 299.99, Best ask: 300.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 300.0, 24 hour volume: 75859.24168345, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 335.0, 24 hour vwap: 303.733033662
02:07 Duffer1 lower than btce i
02:07 Duffer1 i don' think i've ever seen that before
02:08 cazalla happened a few times this year
02:14 RagnarDanneskjol !s tea leaves
02:14 assbot 12 results for 'tea leaves' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=tea+leaves
02:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35156 @ 0.0007423 = 26.0963 BTC [-] {2}
02:24 Vexual im with tat, i think this 300 wall is designed to have some kind of glvanizing effect
02:25 Vexual not like the galvanic scale, but, like, you know
02:26 RagnarDanneskjol designed by whom
02:26 Vexual like the chemical boothers song
02:33 Vexual i really have no idea
02:36 RagnarDanneskjol https://blockchain.info/charts/miners-revenue
02:36 assbot Bitcoin Miners Revenue
02:38 Vexual when exactly did they change the algo from gpu to asic?
02:39 dub wat
02:39 RagnarDanneskjol yea wat
02:39 Vexual wait, how does that chart work?
02:40 RagnarDanneskjol its just an estimate of total net revenue capture by miners i believe
02:40 Vexual i might be thinking of the eclectricity one
02:40 RagnarDanneskjol algo has always been the same
02:40 Vexual so its a price chart?
02:41 RagnarDanneskjol no, more like a profit chart
02:42 RagnarDanneskjol this might be more relevant https://blockchain.info/charts/miners-operating-profit-margin
02:42 assbot Bitcoin Mining Operating Margin
02:43 Vexual -50k%sounds like gpu calcs to me
02:45 Vexual but hey if the shit works, why change it right?
02:46 RagnarDanneskjol mmm anyone mining with gpu at this point would be operating at massive loss, so doubt that contributes much to the miner stats
02:48 Vexual yeah about -50000%
02:49 Vexual those charts are borked
02:49 RagnarDanneskjol probably
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03:06 Vexual actually, if you fix the second one, and compare it to the first one, you might get something interesting
03:13 Vexual bigpicturemining would be the crew to talk to
03:13 Vexual irk
03:14 Vexual making a collection of every asic released, dates, cost, j/w hash/$ volume etc
03:18 Vexual jouls per wot? 300 gone
03:22 Bet placed: 1.05760644 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $260 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1054/ Odds: 31(Y):69(N) by coin, 32(Y):68(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.3742731 BTC. Current weight: 92,528.
03:23 Duffer1 hehe every last satoshi that guy had
03:23 Vexual tell me about it
03:24 punkman http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/10/05/square-raises-150-million-at-a-6-billion-valuation/
03:26 Duffer1 "Square, a six-year-old start-up, spent much of its early years giving away free credit card readers to small and medium-sized businesses, asking for 2.75 percent of each transaction"
03:27 Vexual fucking square wheel more like
03:27 Duffer1 well said
03:28 Duffer1 2.75% is obscene
03:28 Vexual ty
03:28 Vexual so is carrying another dohickey to sell your wares at the local market
03:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.0007424 = 12.361 BTC [+]
03:29 Vexual 150m, why?
03:29 Duffer1 i would neverrrr let some random asshat at a market scan a card
03:29 Duffer1 here, please commit every fraud you can think of
03:29 Vexual with a skimmer
03:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.0007424 = 3.3779 BTC [+]
03:30 punkman http://localregister.amazon.com/
03:30 assbot Amazon Local Register - Accept credit and debit cards on your Fire, iPhone, iPad, or Android device.
03:31 Vexual theres a scoop cazalla, the 150m card skimmer
03:32 Vexual doesnt even fucking blootuth
03:35 Vexual perhaps something got left out of the story, but prolly not
03:35 Duffer1 shartup
03:36 Vexual ooh
03:38 Vexual cmon that must be wrong, like the minercost chart on blackchain.info, just because its the ny times doesnt mean they haven't left out some vital component of the truth
03:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 125 @ 0.00984244 = 1.2303 BTC [-] {4}
03:45 Vexual i see yo uagree duffer, i just like to channel bb sometimes
03:45 Duffer1 hehe
04:00 Vexual asciilifeform: do you know anything about spiNNaker?
04:01 Vexual perhaps something like this will be brave enough to invent perpect homomorphic encryption
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04:21 Vexual u rhink i may have confused dp with pb
04:21 Vexual *i think
04:24 Vexual so its danielpbarron and pete_dushenski
04:26 Vexual and julia t isn't the same that wore the "my 6990 makes it rain" t
04:31 Vexual and namworld and naphex are entirely different entities
04:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00074431 = 21.1384 BTC [+]
04:42 Naphex hi o/
04:43 Vexual the more boss twin
04:45 Vexual excuse the fact i summoned you, i was working trhu some dixleksia
04:45 Vexual whats new
04:47 Vexual its like the intro to windowlicker
04:48 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBS4Gi1y_nc
04:49 BingoBoingo ;;ticker
04:49 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 322.61, Best ask: 326.49, Bid-ask spread: 3.88000, Last trade: 322.58, 24 hour volume: 94647.98592502, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 335.0, 24 hour vwap: 303.726283925
04:55 BingoBoingo Ask wall consumed.
04:55 BingoBoingo https://imgur.com/g9nnuSi
04:55 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer
05:02 Vexual prolly loaded
05:03 Vexual on his way to macau
05:06 Vexual how many dollars was it?
05:06 Vexual 6 milly?
05:07 Vexual guy like that could stay for years before he ends up in the opium dens
05:08 BingoBoingo Maybe up to 9 million. $3 million came to kill it in a minute. http://instagram.com/p/tzgottjwBZ/
05:08 assbot Instagram
05:09 Vexual foods better up on the hill
05:14 penguirker New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitcoin-prices-dip-under-300-rebound/
05:15 Vexual fuck you guys really are reworking coindesk
05:16 Vexual just with fresher shit, pwnd
05:17 BingoBoingo Vexual: I'm still working into a rhythm, but that's the aim.
05:17 Vexual instagram is all java nd shit
05:17 Vexual migth wanna stel the vid and host it
05:18 BingoBoingo Well that dude made the authoritative video record. Maybe someone invites him here and in the future he considers saner hosting for his works.
05:21 Vexual steal and link
05:21 Vexual mp4 dl with a screenshot, voila youtube
05:23 Vexual wehn you're getting 10k hits, get 10 in
05:23 Vexual or not
05:24 Vexual anoraks can go around on their own, it's prolly good business
05:26 Vexual but if youre doing html 1.0, like you know
05:28 BingoBoingo http://videos-g-14.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xaf1/10724316_347577092084614_254283947_n.mp4
05:28 Vexual voila
05:28 Vexual so anorack
05:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31239 @ 0.00074247 = 23.194 BTC [-] {2}
05:31 Vexual now i can see i ton my nintendo ds
05:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.0007417 = 7.8249 BTC [-] {2}
05:32 Vexual if it works on opera...
05:32 Vexual i dunno what, but any cat can see it
05:38 cazalla BingoBoingo omfg "ask wall's life can to an end"
05:38 BingoBoingo fixed
05:40 BingoBoingo News shouldn't happen when I wake up for my midsleep snack
05:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1006 @ 0.00074431 = 0.7488 BTC [+]
05:55 punkman so I read a lot of electrum's code and now I'm sad
05:56 BingoBoingo damn
05:57 Vexual why sad?
05:57 punkman I got it working at least, I think
05:58 punkman oh wait there's a /tests/ dir, I missed that
05:59 punkman wasn't there in 1.9.8
06:03 punkman v2 will be better
06:14 penguirker New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/andreas-schildbach-releases-4-0-version-of-bitcoin-wallet-for-android/
06:16 Vexual that qntra sure is low on bullshit, it's all facts
06:17 BingoBoingo Vexual: Well the point for now is clean stuff. Turd Free.
06:17 Vexual it's good
06:17 BingoBoingo Or at least when a turd is newsworth the coverage is free of introducing fresh turds
06:20 Duffer1 i read the BRO article and was shocked
06:20 Duffer1 zero snark
06:21 Duffer1 the author must have an iron will
06:24 BingoBoingo Duffer1: cazalla covered that.
06:25 Duffer1 it's good
06:25 BingoBoingo cazalla: The fearless and serious Leader of qntra
06:25 Duffer1 so are you still doing your own blog or is it a merged effort?
06:26 Vexual this ones a newspaper, blogs are for little girls
06:27 Vexual and hipsters
06:27 BingoBoingo Duffer1: I'm still doing my own blog where I still do editorial sort of commentary and stuff I find interesting
06:27 Vexual or are newspapers for hipsters?
06:28 BingoBoingo I though hipsters had tumblrs
06:28 Vexual newspaper men get paid, eventually
06:29 Vexual or was that the 60s?
06:31 Vexual usually by some unexpected mechanism
06:31 Vexual it goes by the name of success
06:36 Vexual ive gone all noir
06:37 Vexual she tells me it's on her tumbler, like she think i know what that is
06:38 Vexual listen doll, i know a lot of things, but im hungry
06:41 Vexual no, steak
06:47 Vexual i rode in the front, i was done with talking and i was only picking up half the conversation, and in any case, i didnt know the driver, and I wanted to keep an ey eon him
06:49 BingoBoingo My favorite part of this gritty noir Vexual is that I can't tell if your story is fiction
06:52 RagnarDanneskjol doesnt matter
06:56 Vexual apparentyl you're not supposed to smoke here, two whisky sours and a table at the back
06:57 Vexual thats service
07:01 Vexual they dont know me here, and neither does she
07:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00074447 = 7.9658 BTC [+]
07:03 BingoBoingo http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi/OpenBSD-current/man6/bs.6
07:04 BingoBoingo Time to go back to sleep
07:04 Vexual phew i thought id have to come up with some dialogue
07:12 Vexual id woken up late, the portugese was the first clue, but now i see a game of battleship in progress in the light at the front
07:12 Vexual "brazil?"
07:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00074383 = 7.4383 BTC [-] {2}
07:15 Vexual she wasn't talking abou ttumbler a all
07:15 Vexual two more whisky sor, and something for the lady
07:24 Vexual i pored a glass of riorja for myself as my steak smoked from the kitchen
07:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47480 @ 0.00074459 = 35.3531 BTC [+] {2}
07:38 Vexual she spoke something about her father and the resurant before i hear the word that snapped me from my coma
07:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10211 @ 0.00074483 = 7.6055 BTC [+] {2}
07:40 Vexual id decided it was a word
07:41 Vexual but tonight i knew it was a name
07:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 55 @ 0.00960012 = 0.528 BTC [+]
07:47 thickasthieves was the name Ava?
07:47 thickasthieves Doris?
07:47 Vexual okay
07:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25007 @ 0.00074565 = 18.6465 BTC [+]
07:52 fluffypony Fluffypony?
07:52 Vexual you come in later
07:52 fluffypony score!
07:53 thickasthieves http://www.forbes.com/sites/markrogowsky/2014/10/05/krugmania-as-bitcoins-price-falls-the-nyt-pundit-takes-a-very-premature-victory-lap/
07:53 assbot Krugmania: As Bitcoin's Price Falls, The NYT Pundit Takes A (Very?) Premature Victory Lap - Forbes
08:01 Vexual that reads like it'd trasnlate well into mandarin
08:03 thickasthieves lol
08:03 Vexual no joke
08:05 Vexual possibly too well
08:05 Vexual keyphrases stick out
08:15 Vexual perhaps im just distrustful of forbes
08:15 mircea_popescu ah brother, what a night.
08:15 Vexual what happened?
08:16 mircea_popescu i have that distinct feeling experienced by the commander of a relief unit upon taking over at 8am the utterly battered but holding units of the nightguard regiment, surrouinded by a pile of corpses as high as the battlements
08:16 mircea_popescu fucking love the smell of napalm in the morning.
08:16 Vexual sat agent orange right?
08:16 mircea_popescu sure.
08:16 mats_cd03 not a lot of things translate well to mandarin
08:17 mircea_popescu also sure.
08:21 Vexual damn he got fucked good
08:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17150 @ 0.00074579 = 12.7903 BTC [+] {3}
08:27 Vexual you okay boss?
08:28 * Vexual makes coffee
08:31 mircea_popescu %d
08:32 mircea_popescu o i see how it is.
08:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00074173 = 5.4146 BTC [-]
08:34 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evmb3XR5280
08:35 mircea_popescu no, moarlike http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KCnoOzrA1o
08:35 assbot Pavarotti La Donna e Mobile Moscow 1964 - YouTube
08:37 Vexual now theres a man that likes an aritchoke or two
08:39 Vexual he look better without a beard
08:42 BingoBoingo You know it's fitting that Oreilly's animal department sorts Andreas's work as the "Ant Book"
08:42 mircea_popescu lol
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08:42 BingoBoingo What the fuck Amazon
08:44 mircea_popescu o.O
08:44 BingoBoingo !up Diablo-D3
08:44 Vexual any more good voices mircea_popescu? im almost outta spanish wine
08:44 Diablo-D3 BingoBoingo: what part of it
08:44 Diablo-D3 like, you know what a data uri is right?
08:45 mircea_popescu Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MrYuebMNmg
08:45 assbot Maria Callas Opera Arias : La Traviata, Norma, Madama Butterfly, Lucia di Lammermoor & many others - YouTube
08:45 Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: speaking of which
08:45 Diablo-D3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC9Qh709gas
08:45 assbot polyphonic overtone singing - Anna-Maria Hefele - YouTube
08:46 mircea_popescu why do they do all this intro stuff.
08:46 mircea_popescu first some random logos. then "hi im x and im going to do y"
08:47 mircea_popescu but other than that she's ok.
08:48 Vexual shit, coitus interuptus, but still
08:50 Vexual she'd be good on the didgeridoo
08:52 Vexual mot much magic in it tho
08:57 Vexual maria callas id happily die to
09:00 BingoBoingo Oh, Bloomberg explicitly does politics nao http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/features/2014-10-05/can-america-root-for-a-town-that-cant-root-for-its-team
09:00 assbot Can America Root for a Town That Can't Root for Its Team? - Bloomberg Politics
09:01 Diablo-D3 bloomberg is slowly becoming a real news outlet
09:01 Vexual we had this converation
09:01 Diablo-D3 which Im honestly okay with
09:01 Diablo-D3 even if they just repeat the usual bullshit, we still need more of them
09:01 punkman BingoBoingo: making website faster by embedding base64 encoded images in the HTML, just doesn't feel right
09:02 mircea_popescu it's bad for caching at any rate.
09:02 mircea_popescu if every time a browser asked for a trilema page it actually had to get all the images as base64 i'd have a major problem on my hands.
09:07 Diablo-D3 punkman: it depends entirely on what you're doing
09:07 Diablo-D3 like, you can shove that into css
09:07 Diablo-D3 and then cache the css
09:07 punkman Diablo-D3: whether it feels right doesn't depend on anything
09:08 punkman whether it works and how well, that's another matter
09:09 mircea_popescu Diablo-D3 the problem isn't the serverside caching, but the client side caches.
09:09 Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: erm, why do you think I was talking about serverside caching?
09:09 mircea_popescu virtually all browsers know enough to not redld a navigation pic, but virtually all will re-dld the base64 blob
09:09 Diablo-D3 its about cutting down on the cost of http connection cost
09:10 Diablo-D3 its easier to base64 stuff for small images than it is to make explicit requests for them
09:10 Vexual this is why pankakkke left
09:10 mircea_popescu but the browser will only request them once.
09:10 mircea_popescu Vexual quite possible.
09:10 Diablo-D3 its also why building sprite layouts are so damned nice
09:10 mircea_popescu sigh.
09:10 mircea_popescu the web is not an extension of cable tv.
09:11 Diablo-D3 Vexual: why, because this channel no longer serves its purpose? Ive been considering taking this off my autojoin
09:11 Vexual no,
09:11 Vexual o dunno
09:12 Vexual i think he got shitty about some conversation or other
09:13 Vexual hes prolly just got some shithot contracty eating up bullshittier bullhit and hell be back
09:14 mircea_popescu Duffer1: 2.75% is obscene << i thought paypal was doing like 3.5
09:15 Apocalyptic %d
09:15 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 305828.28 in 507 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.72
09:15 Apocalyptic still 500 blocks, damn
09:16 mircea_popescu Duffer1: i would neverrrr let some random asshat at a market scan a card << definitely. i don't understand all the geriatric derps giving away their card in like restaurants and whatnot. it's patent insanity, like a third of restaurant workers are on drugs, it's the junkie central. more so than jail.
09:16 mircea_popescu and then you're going to give them the most broken implementation of pgp and let them be provately for fifteen minutes ?
09:16 mircea_popescu nuts.
09:17 Duffer1 iirc paypal and square have the same rates
09:17 Duffer1 = too much
09:17 mircea_popescu maybe pp went down to match. or maybe i;m way behind the times.
09:17 mircea_popescu http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?311025-aware-paypal-users-request-for-more-than-3-5-up-to-6-!!-fee-for-paypal
09:18 mircea_popescu maybe not.
09:18 mircea_popescu 2.9% + 30c
09:18 mircea_popescu hi Naphex
09:19 Duffer1 ah 3.5 for manual entry (no reader)
09:19 punkman I think it goes to 4% or so when I send "friends and family"
09:21 mircea_popescu going to the records of the past 6 hours... dude it's great being on the side of the invincible doom.
09:23 mircea_popescu fluffypony: Fluffypony? << fluffypony!
09:23 Vexual this is sparta!
09:23 fluffypony AND MY AXE!
09:23 Vexual your in son
09:23 BingoBoingo Of course being the invicible doom is great. Have you seen the corpses the nightguard put up?
09:23 mircea_popescu thickasthieves: http://www.forbes.com/sites/markrogowsky/2014/10/05/krugmania-as-bitcoins-price-falls-the-nyt-pundit-takes-a-very-premature-victory-lap/ <<< no "krugman derps on his times blog, then mp pens a fuck you post and then all hell breaks lose" ? i'd have preferred that approach.
09:23 assbot Krugmania: As Bitcoin's Price Falls, The NYT Pundit Takes A (Very?) Premature Victory Lap - Forbes
09:23 mircea_popescu if nothing else, it's truer to history.
09:26 punkman http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2i9prw/desperate_how_long_to_hold_out_what_would_you_do/
09:26 assbot Desperate: How long to hold out / What would you do in my situation : Bitcoin
09:27 mircea_popescu ahhh, what reddit's for.
09:27 kakobrekla >but I chose to make this account because my girlfriend is a redditor too and I don't want to get any backlash by posting this on my main account.
09:27 kakobrekla lol
09:28 punkman "I cannot understand why this is happening. I made some serious money several times but for the past 6 months or so I have taken huge losses."
09:29 mircea_popescu universal advice for all redditard problems : 1. quit reddit never to return ; 2. quit your current bs "job/studies" and get a real job ; 3. quit your current bs" relationship", spend a year celibate then get a real relationship ; 4. stop saying high to your current "friends"
09:29 Vexual do you forbes fluffypony? you're the funniest cunt on this hemisphere
09:29 mircea_popescu punkman yeah srsly i wonder why this is happening.
09:29 fluffypony Vexual: Forbes? like the magazine?
09:30 Vexual no like trolling the bloggers
09:30 mircea_popescu Vexual fluffypony is not the funniest cunt, kakobrekla is the funniest cunt.
09:30 punkman different hemispheres
09:30 Vexual is he southern hemisphere?
09:30 mircea_popescu ow shit.
09:30 punkman wait isn't Somalia in the south one
09:30 mircea_popescu pwned by geometry in my own web of longitudes
09:31 mircea_popescu ;;google is somalia even a real cuntry
09:31 gribble Piracy in Somalia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy_in_Somalia>; History of Somalia (1991–2006) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Somalia_(1991%E2%80%932006)>; Why is Somalia still even called a "country"? - Democratic Underground: (1 more message)
09:31 kakobrekla lolk
09:31 punkman guess it's right above the line
09:31 mircea_popescu i got the answer to that, dear democratic underground. IT'S BECAUSE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE WORLD WORKS!
09:31 Vexual kakobrekla IS FROM SOMALIA?
09:31 mircea_popescu no
09:32 mircea_popescu but somalia is from kakobrekla
09:32 Vexual bitchin
09:32 mircea_popescu we totally need someone from nigeria incidentally. anyone know a nigerian ?
09:32 BingoBoingo Wait, I thought kakobrekla was the funniest cock, but sounds like tits...
09:32 mircea_popescu preferably a banging euro chick, 1m80 with blue eyes
09:32 mircea_popescu but i'd settle for less.
09:32 * Vexual puts his hand up
09:33 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Maybe throw it in the orderbook?
09:33 Vexual i can get you 10money washin email sending nigerians here tommorrow
09:33 mats_cd03 kako is from slovakia
09:33 mircea_popescu mats_cd03 nuh-uh.
09:34 mircea_popescu he's from slovenly
09:34 mats_cd03 huk
09:34 mircea_popescu jurov is from slovakia
09:34 mats_cd03 o rite
09:34 mats_cd03 ;;ud huk
09:34 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Huk | Words related to Huk ... huk huk huk dood my ugly fat cuzzin isnt cummin ova tho otay? ... -fuk naw, thats skoo iz hella (huk), n i aint tryna get shot. by jr_inc.
09:34 mircea_popescu (albeit the difference is nigg-legible)
09:36 Vexual you're fuckin with my dislexia now
09:37 mircea_popescu ;;seen JuliaTourianski
09:37 gribble JuliaTourianski was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 13 hours, 17 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <JuliaTourianski> that's one of the best reactions I've gotten. at least they're not discussing what i look like.
09:37 mircea_popescu ;;later tell JuliaTourianski oi!
09:37 gribble The operation succeeded.
09:38 RagnarDanneskjol imma see her at the vegas thing later today
09:40 mircea_popescu tell her to say hi
09:40 RagnarDanneskjol i'll give her a big wet kiss for you
09:44 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
09:44 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 325.0, vol: 93573.34211630 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 326.534, vol: 25927.10737 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 332.5, vol: 89113.6403918 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 325.26, vol: 121.4857689 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 332.873904, vol: 79006.44170000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 337.48812, vol: 64.31767626 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 326.248, vol: 165.84079253 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
09:45 mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol> i'll give her a big wet kiss for you << mp suddenly caught a glimpse of his own old age ;/
09:46 mircea_popescu i'll have all these numerous hotties i can no longer fuck, that other people will be sucking the life out of, "for me".
09:46 RagnarDanneskjol ahaa
09:46 mircea_popescu i guess it's better to end up as the deified avatar of human relations than any alternative fate.
09:46 RagnarDanneskjol sure
09:46 mats_cd03 i'm about to cross the horizon
09:47 mats_cd03 of the ego black hole
09:47 Vexual that wont translae into madarin well at all
09:47 mats_cd03 wish me luck
09:47 mircea_popescu tho being an oversized scorpion dragonfly would be pretty cool too
09:47 mircea_popescu mats_cd03 where you goin; ?
09:48 kakobrekla sounds like he'll be smoking DMT or some shit
09:48 mircea_popescu if this guy kills himself and then there's no end of media wanting to know "what was he like"
09:48 Vexual yah or 3 tabs of acid
09:48 mircea_popescu i swear to god ima train a bot to say "he was a quiet guy, wenevercouldhaveimagined" etc
09:49 BingoBoingo "I dunno seemed like he had some legitimate greviances they way he said it..."
09:49 mircea_popescu "it was the government dude"
09:50 mircea_popescu then the news reports all over forbes, "financial world epidemic extends to bitcoin : b-a participant in hong kong found stapled to death"
09:50 Vexual father of 24 and bitcoin advocate mats cd, aged whatever tranceded last night in whatevr county
09:51 mircea_popescu you know that's not a bad honorific ? "bitcoin's advocate general", sort-of like a grand inquisitor
09:51 BingoBoingo Illinois man literally disappears into thin air. IRC channel suspects lasers involved.
09:52 mircea_popescu in your case BingoBoingo
09:52 mats_cd03 i was referring to the ego madness that is being in your periphery mircea_popescu
09:52 mircea_popescu im pretty sure it would be thick air.
09:52 mircea_popescu mats_cd03 oh!
09:52 mircea_popescu you meant MY ego ?!?!?!11?!?
09:52 mats_cd03 indeed
09:53 mircea_popescu unfathomable.
09:53 mats_cd03 although 3 tabs of acid sounds pleasant
09:53 mircea_popescu make it two tabs and a supository.
09:54 Vexual thats not wha i read on erowid
09:54 mircea_popescu acid fingertrap.
09:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21841 @ 0.00074172 = 16.1999 BTC [-] {2}
09:54 Vexual yeah youll need your fingers for looking at and shit
09:55 mats_cd03 i once sobbed over the beauty of the universe while sitting on the shore of a lake watching a bird
09:55 Vexual dub was asking after some viagra earlier
09:55 mats_cd03 its like... the cycle of life, man.
09:56 mats_cd03 09:50:12 <+mircea_popescu> then the news reports all over forbes, "financial world epidemic extends to bitcoin : b-a participant in hong kong found stapled to death" >> wtf that is terrifying
09:56 mircea_popescu yw.
09:57 Vexual id be stapled to death
09:57 Vexual no problem, id still be fresh for work the next day
09:58 Vexual wait death?
09:59 lampelina https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcoin-sell-wall-death-chomped/
09:59 assbot Bitcoin Sell Wall of Death Being Chomped
10:00 kakobrekla bottom gif is funny
10:01 Vexual drop dead fred is on it?
10:01 Vexual i got couldfared
10:02 mircea_popescu hey lampelina what are you doing these days ?
10:02 lampelina cooking
10:02 lampelina and cleaning
10:02 kakobrekla lel
10:02 lampelina why, looking for a cook? :D
10:02 mircea_popescu lampelina no, that i have, but how would you like trying to write an article for the qntra thing ?
10:03 lampelina article about what
10:03 mircea_popescu bitcoin news.
10:03 mircea_popescu and speaking of which
10:03 Vexual qntra, thats it!
10:04 mircea_popescu ;;later tell hanbot hey you have till friday to write an article and get cazalla to accept it!
10:04 gribble The operation succeeded.
10:04 lampelina maybe-do tell more
10:04 mircea_popescu lampelina im actually writing it up, so i'll drop you a link in an hour.
10:04 lampelina I'm far from expert on BTC btw
10:05 lampelina in fact I know very little about it
10:05 mircea_popescu yeah but you can ask kako.
10:05 lampelina true
10:05 Vexual lampalina that sell wall chomped article dropped there preciously (qntra)
10:05 mircea_popescu unlike most girls that hang out with some reddit derp who has no clue.
10:05 mircea_popescu so advantage you.
10:06 lampelina indeed :)
10:06 kakobrekla im busy
10:06 lampelina shut up kakobrekla
10:06 mircea_popescu don't be an asshole kako!
10:06 mircea_popescu i got the patent.
10:07 Vexual and ive got a thing wot says i can use the notion
10:08 Vexual as i se fit disregardless if i remeber anything
10:12 Vexual actually i don;t want t be too much of a bother, but i think you'll find that patent is actually mine
10:12 Vexual you haven't been using it have oyu?
10:13 Vexual yeah i just checked with my lawyer
10:15 kakobrekla https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/507842067964256256
10:15 assbot Optimism shouldn't be a personal disposition. You want flight attendants to be "optimistic", pilots to be "pessimistic" not the opposite.
10:15 kakobrekla same goes for "asshole"
10:16 kakobrekla but alright imma help
10:16 kakobrekla you exploiter you!
10:17 Vexual id love to try to convince a judge im a bigger asshole than popescue
10:18 mircea_popescu knowing how to exploit is half the orgams.
10:18 Vexual contempting the court wins?
10:19 kakobrekla lampelina you should get your securitah up.
10:19 BingoBoingo Vexual: Well, you have to hold the court in contempt first. It is a race
10:19 Vexual ah yes bb, i don't see things like that though
10:19 Vexual i ws an asshole first and all
10:20 mircea_popescu push up bra for securitits ?!
10:20 Vexual whoawhat?
10:20 Vexual now im confused with vampirealla
10:21 BingoBoingo Vexual: Vampire-Allah-Akbar?
10:23 mircea_popescu if only russ meyer would have directed barbarella...
10:23 Vexual https://d1g4sq00ps2bp3.cloudfront.net/comicart/1248.jpg
10:23 mircea_popescu imagine, a mostly nude teenaged jane fonda with a bunch of bosomy chicks, doing trippy shit
10:24 Vexual do tell
10:24 mircea_popescu nothing to tell, you gotta be there.
10:25 Vexual but its a failm
10:25 Vexual fuck my typos
10:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00074255 = 15.2223 BTC [+]
10:27 Vexual whattabout sophia lauren in silk road?
10:28 Vexual as "the real" dread pirate roberts
10:29 mats_cd03 http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/04/us/ocean-bubble-rescue/index.html
10:29 assbot Man in inflatable bubble rescued off coast of Florida - CNN.com
10:29 mats_cd03 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFqiuWHN2Mo and of course an accompanying video
10:29 assbot Reza Baluchi - Paddle Bubble - YouTube
10:29 TomServo Almost 2K BTC left the Ethereum wallet Saturday.
10:31 Vexual was the dude in a bubble playing mario bros?
10:32 BingoBoingo https://blockchain.info/address/36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2
10:32 assbot Bitcoin Address 36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2
10:33 Vexual wheres your collar?
10:34 mircea_popescu http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/whos-afraid-of-the-workers-revolution
10:34 assbot Who's Afraid of the Workers' Revolution? : The Freeman : Foundation for Economic Education
10:34 mircea_popescu i don't recall, do we like j tucker ?
10:36 Vexual why not
10:36 mircea_popescu no idea
10:36 mircea_popescu !s tucker
10:36 assbot 27 results for 'tucker' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=tucker
10:39 Vexual you can sign up to uber thru a nigerian here
10:40 Vexual don't ask me how the fuck that works
10:41 Vexual im guessing the cat don't sport a bowtie tho
10:42 Vexual and so it follow he probably just wants the papers to your late model car or some such
10:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 107 @ 0.16442015 = 17.593 BTC [+] {10}
10:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.16499999 = 0.66 BTC [+] {2}
10:52 Vexual theres is no left and right anymore
10:53 Vexual satoshi read hashcash and liked it, kids are reading real things
10:53 BingoBoingo Vexual: Did you step on a boat? Look port and starboard.
10:54 thickasthieves ;;ticker
10:54 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 333.13, Best ask: 333.33, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 332.02, 24 hour volume: 95391.41421327, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 335.0, 24 hour vwap: 305.254321266
10:54 Vexual well left and right are things, but, im talkin...
10:54 Vexual like, its a big vloud and shit
10:55 thickasthieves http://dpaste.com/3TB87DT
10:55 assbot dpaste: 3TB87DT: Deleted From Reddit - Whale Was Goxcoin Creator, by tat
10:56 mircea_popescu lol why'd it beleete it ?
10:56 rithm 'spiracy
10:57 thickasthieves either reddit or researched deleted it shortly after posting
10:57 thickasthieves but twas cached in my feed reader
10:57 thickasthieves researcher*
10:58 mircea_popescu aha
11:00 thickasthieves apparently i'm not the only one Circle didnt process purchases for
11:00 thickasthieves did 1btc to test, order failed - canceled
11:02 mircea_popescu plenty of such reports yes.
11:02 mircea_popescu pity all their efforts turned out to be in vain huh.
11:02 mircea_popescu must suck.
11:03 BingoBoingo So circle's just another pre-order scam?
11:04 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo not per se, but pretty much all the usg-collaborationist services either stopped or delayed usd to btc purchases yest.
11:04 mircea_popescu "it was supposed to go down"
11:05 thickasthieves lol i'm trying to use their customer support to find out why,
11:05 thickasthieves and also giving some feedback
11:05 thickasthieves 500 character limit...
11:05 thickasthieves i mean cmon
11:05 mircea_popescu because reasons, of course.
11:05 mircea_popescu lampelina http://trilema.com/2014/introducing-the-qntra/
11:05 assbot Introducing the qntra pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
11:06 thickasthieves it doesnt even tell me how many characters i have used
11:06 mircea_popescu and btw cazalla, put a quantcast code on the thing
11:06 thickasthieves no room to complain about that tho!
11:07 thickasthieves ;;ticker
11:07 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 342.02, Best ask: 343.21, Bid-ask spread: 1.19000, Last trade: 342.01, 24 hour volume: 97594.75181671, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 344.87, 24 hour vwap: 306.12354108
11:07 thickasthieves but but 275?
11:08 mircea_popescu greatest country in the world
11:08 mircea_popescu or was it richest ?
11:08 thickasthieves surely it's richest in some things
11:08 thickasthieves organic mass
11:08 bounce oh the fertility of bullshit
11:08 mircea_popescu lol im sure india is richer in dung
11:09 bounce should be great for biodiesel
11:09 mircea_popescu biodiesel is such nonsense anyway. what do you need fuel for if there's not a bunch of derps anymore, going from parking lot to parking lot ?
11:10 mircea_popescu here's some simple math : if 10 bn people peak oil = year 2064, 100mn people peak oil = year 7014
11:10 mats_cd03 Vexual: its a song from shrek 2
11:11 mats_cd03 'holding out for a hero' frou frou
11:11 thickasthieves i went for a walk and this little girl was playing on her swing chanting the "Everything Is Awesome!" chorus
11:11 mats_cd03 das cute
11:12 thickasthieves I went to a football game and everyone was chanting "Third Down For What?!"
11:12 thickasthieves same day
11:12 thickasthieves hankuna matata
11:12 thickasthieves hakuna*
11:13 thickasthieves or sumth
11:13 thickasthieves Jacksonville Jaguars have the largest screens in the world or something
11:14 thickasthieves each of the two wraps like 25% of the place
11:14 thickasthieves they have two glass pools on the second tier, where fans can drink and watch the game and be watched by people watching the game
11:15 thickasthieves on the screens
11:15 mircea_popescu pools as in, water filled ?
11:15 thickasthieves yes
11:15 mircea_popescu so wait, you take the bitches for a swim while the game
11:15 thickasthieves yep
11:15 mircea_popescu and the plebs watch her tits jiggle ?
11:15 thickasthieves yep
11:15 mircea_popescu gangam style.
11:15 thickasthieves and watch bros bro
11:16 thickasthieves then clowns not dressed as clowns firr tshirts from cannons every 20min
11:16 thickasthieves fire*
11:17 thickasthieves meanwhile i'm trading on my tablet buying at 276
11:17 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: got a broken link http://trilema.com/2014/introducing-the-qntra/blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/
11:17 assbot Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
11:17 mircea_popescu aw
11:20 mircea_popescu missing http does that. fixed ty
11:21 penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/introducing-the-qntra/
11:21 BingoBoingo reddit lulz https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2igcg1/youre_not_gonna_like_this_but_willy_from_mt_gox/
11:21 assbot You're not gonna like this, but Willy from Mt. Gox, was a group of people, with the major player being: Jeff Garzik. : Bitcoin
11:23 mircea_popescu what's not to like ?
11:24 BingoBoingo Everything is to like, except that which is for to love.
11:24 thickasthieves also, so what if he was Willy
11:26 mircea_popescu wait. is the thesis that the willy REPORT was authored by mostly garzik
11:26 mircea_popescu or that he wrote the php code for the actual bot on karpeles' exchange or what ?
11:27 thickasthieves or that he was manning the whole thing
11:27 mthreat mircea murdoch!
11:27 thickasthieves i'm not sure why i'd care to discern any of those
11:27 Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $260 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1054/ Odds: 25(Y):75(N) by coin, 26(Y):74(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.5742731 BTC. Current weight: 88,477.
11:28 mircea_popescu mthreat im not old enough
11:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00074294 = 22.1396 BTC [+] {2}
11:29 mircea_popescu thickasthieves "Go ahead, prove me wrong. I want you to." ? whay are we reading derppit again ?
11:29 mircea_popescu "[–]PWNY_EVEREADY 1 point 8 minutes ago Ahh what a community! A key bitcoin core developer was scamming/ripping off the community he supposedly believes in. Who needs regulation amirite?" i guess we have the new party line, if nothing else.
11:31 thickasthieves well reddit is good for one thing, churning fresh bitcoin text
11:31 mircea_popescu they gotta learn to make better astroturf reddit accts, incidentally.
11:33 Bet created: "Bitcoin to rise above $600 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1055/
11:34 thickasthieves nice pricepoint choice
11:36 Bet placed: 1.111 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to rise above $600 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1055/ Odds: 94(Y):6(N) by coin, 94(Y):6(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.211 BTC. Current weight: 99,994.
11:37 mircea_popescu !up Newar
11:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13979 @ 0.00074367 = 10.3958 BTC [+] {2}
11:40 kakobrekla heh thickasthieves http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2014#836412
11:40 assbot Logged on 20-09-2014 02:11:34; kakobrekla: if you cant buy it, price is irrelevant
11:43 thickasthieves indeed
11:50 kakobrekla http://bitbet.us/bet/716/btc-worth-over-5000-before-2015/#c4108
11:50 assbot BitBet - BTC worth over $5000 before 2015 :: 5.56 B (8%) on Yes, 63.92 B (92%) on No | closing in 2 months 1 day| weight: 18`745 (100`000 to 1)
11:50 kakobrekla someone really needs to put up a site "derp for btc" to serve as craigslist
11:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 59 @ 0.1379006 = 8.1361 BTC [-]
11:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.11972744 BTC to 15`436 shares, 7254 satoshi per share
12:01 BingoBoingo http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/05/has-north-korea-s-kim-jong-un-been-toppled.html
12:01 assbot Has North Koreas Kim Jong Un Been Toppled? - The Daily Beast
12:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 3.76046076 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 327 satoshi per share
12:05 BingoBoingo !up jborkl
12:09 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
12:09 gribble Current Blocks: 324137 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 438 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 21 hours, 9 minutes, and 28 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35238654726.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.66533
12:10 BingoBoingo Oh, by defeating WhaleBearPig we apparently earned another diff increase
12:10 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo that'd be the best nrws evar
12:11 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Why because if Kim is deposed Obama must be following soon after?
12:19 danielpbarron !up brianhoffman
12:20 danielpbarron ugh, lost ident; someone wanna get this?
12:20 danielpbarron it'll take me a few minutes
12:21 TomServo !up brianhoffman
12:21 brianhoffman thank you
12:21 brianhoffman assbot...
12:21 danielpbarron he's the OpenBazaar guy
12:21 TomServo Ah, welcome
12:21 brianhoffman I’m trying to get @dionyziz in here
12:21 brianhoffman he’s spearheading the trust work
12:21 danielpbarron ;;gettrust brianhoffman
12:21 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user brianhoffman: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=danielpbarron&dest=brianhoffman | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=brianhoffman | Rated since: never
12:21 brianhoffman him and his professor
12:22 danielpbarron you'll want to get in the WoT if you want to be taken seriously
12:22 danielpbarron which shouldn't be hard to do for a couple of devs
12:23 brianhoffman @dionyziz i believe is already
12:23 brianhoffman I will work on it
12:23 danielpbarron ;;gettrust dionyziz
12:23 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user dionyziz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=danielpbarron&dest=dionyziz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dionyziz | Rated since: Wed Jun 8 13:05:32 2011
12:23 brianhoffman ok or not
12:24 brianhoffman his work has mostly been around pgp wot
12:24 danielpbarron he is; just not in my L2
12:24 brianhoffman ok
12:24 danielpbarron i'll give him a +1 when i get authed again
12:24 brianhoffman i just shot him a msg so maybe he’ll jump in
12:25 danielpbarron what is this I've heard about a decentralized reputation system?
12:26 danielpbarron and can the idea be applied instead to this gribble WoT
12:26 brianhoffman well we are exploring this potentially. admittedly it is a much loftier goal than expected at first.
12:26 brianhoffman this is all very notional at the moment though.
12:27 brianhoffman have you read the paper dionysis put out about this so far?
12:27 danielpbarron i figured as much, or else it would already be a think in here
12:27 TheNewDeal ;;bc,stats
12:27 gribble Current Blocks: 324137 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 438 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 21 hours, 9 minutes, and 28 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35238654726.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.66533
12:27 danielpbarron thing* // re: the paper, no
12:27 punkman danielpbarron: we could have 10 gribbles and you could check that counterparty is authed against X of those
12:27 brianhoffman https://gist.github.com/dionyziz/e3b296861175e0ebea4b
12:27 assbot web-of-trust.md
12:28 brianhoffman sorry for links if you all are against that crap in here but i figured it’s easiest to just link you over
12:28 TheNewDeal oh we link
12:28 danielpbarron links are fine as long as they aren't videos without tits
12:29 brianhoffman :P
12:29 brianhoffman ok well so what is your main interest here? just that we are trying to reinvent the wheel?
12:29 brianhoffman or that you think we’re idiots in general :P
12:29 danielpbarron a little of both
12:30 punkman "Global trust is trust towards a particular individual which is seen as the same from all members of the network. Projected trust is established through a pseudonymous partial knowledge web-of-trust, while global trust is established through proof-of-burn and proof-of-timelock mechanisms."
12:30 danielpbarron but you joined here, so there might be hope
12:30 punkman we don't have timelocks yet
12:30 brianhoffman which is why at the moment we’re leveraging proof of burn
12:30 punkman well that's silly
12:30 brianhoffman we’re following the Peter Todd BIP
12:30 brianhoffman and what not
12:31 brianhoffman but this is all not slated for the next week’s release here
12:31 danielpbarron i like proof of burn -- that's why XCP is still a thing, and mastercoin isn't
12:31 brianhoffman proof of burn is fine. at the moment we’re doing it wrong and spamming the UTXO
12:31 brianhoffman we will be leveraging op_return in the next release hopefully
12:32 brianhoffman at the moment the entire project is under code review
12:32 brianhoffman our project has great breadth and we’re certainly not interested in stepping on toes or making grandiose claims about any one area
12:32 brianhoffman we would love to collaborate where possible
12:32 brianhoffman i know that Dionysis feels the same way so please don’t be turned off by anything we throw out there as we’re not trying to stomp out others who are smarter on this stuff
12:33 brianhoffman feel free to destroy anything we publish so we can evolve
12:33 brianhoffman that’s why i’ve come to your IRC instead of just insulting @danielbarron more
12:33 brianhoffman :)
12:33 punkman "In OpenBazaar, the participants are inherently pseudonymous. In this setting, we wish to maintain an identity for each node. This identity is strictly distinct from the operator's real-world identity."
12:33 danielpbarron i like gribble the way it is so far, but I think I saw discussion in here some time ago about making it decentralized; that's why I figured you might have something interesting to say
12:33 punkman that probably won't work
12:34 brianhoffman ok so the folks from freenet argued that as well
12:34 brianhoffman i’m interested to hear your justification though
12:35 pete_dushenski "The new [French cybersecurity] rules include fines of as much as 750,000 euros for companies that fail government security audits, and demand that French businesses reconsider their technology choices to focus on certified -- mostly ‘‘made in France” -- products."
12:36 thickasthieves to prevent central party from acting evil or from being acted evil upon
12:36 punkman brianhoffman: some things to consider here perhaps http://trilema.com/2012/anonimity-or-the-urban-versus-rural-dispute/ http://trilema.com/2013/anonimity-not-for-the-poor/
12:36 assbot Anonimity, or the urban versus rural dispute. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
12:36 assbot Anonimity : not for the poor. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
12:37 brianhoffman ok i will read.
12:38 thestringpuller wtf is even going on
12:39 thestringpuller i'm gone for 2 days
12:39 brianhoffman hey i hate to run but i have to. I heard from @dionyziz and he said he will be able to drop in a little later. I will DM you on Twitter @danielpbarron when he’s available and then just drop in say hey to continue the talk if you don’t mind.
12:39 brianhoffman i don’t think this is a short convo anyways
12:39 brianhoffman he’s on a “jog"
12:40 punkman brianhoffman: the gist is: just use GPG identities and let silk road be silk road
12:40 brianhoffman now that’s no fun, just giving up the ghost :P
12:40 brianhoffman i hear you and i’ll be back
12:44 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
12:44 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 341.04, Best ask: 341.89, Bid-ask spread: 0.85000, Last trade: 341.89, 24 hour volume: 87215.20972272, 24 hour low: 281.2, 24 hour high: 347.0, 24 hour vwap: 309.778317883
12:44 danielpbarron ;;rate dionyziz 1 OpenBazaar, http://twitter.com/dionyziz
12:44 assbot Dionysis Zindros (@dionyziz) | Twitter
12:44 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user dionyziz has been recorded.
12:44 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: how many profit centers does MPIF have left?
12:44 mircea_popescu thestringpuller like 3
12:44 mircea_popescu !up oda_krell
12:45 * mircea_popescu tries to remember what this openbazaar thing is
12:45 Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to rise above $600 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1055/ Odds: 52(Y):48(N) by coin, 52(Y):48(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.211 BTC. Current weight: 99,876.
12:45 thestringpuller man i have too much to catch up on
12:45 thestringpuller all these statements on trilema and new articles
12:45 thestringpuller i was gone 1 day
12:46 mircea_popescu trilema waits for no one
12:46 thickasthieves openbazaar is darkmarketwotcoin
12:46 thickasthieves or such
12:47 bounce but it's open!
12:47 mircea_popescu "OpenBazaar is an open source project to create a decentralized network for commerce online—using Bitcoin—that has no fees and cannot be censored."
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12:47 mircea_popescu so basically what, ebay but sovereign ?
12:48 mircea_popescu "He forks therefore he leads" lol. what do you do bri o wow he left huh
12:48 dignork well, there would be fees for escrow services
12:49 oda_krell I suppose the 10min temp voice is one's chance to really shine in here, huh? Song and dance routine maybe? Anyway, don't have anything to really say right now, but I like to lurk from time to time.
12:49 ben_vulpes oda_krell: it's 30 minutes
12:50 mircea_popescu oda_krell half hour, but basically yes.
12:51 thestringpuller ;;calc 399811.74163205 * 0.00000170
12:51 gribble 0.679679960774
12:52 mircea_popescu brianhoffman: well we are exploring this potentially. admittedly it is a much loftier goal than expected at first. << myeah.
12:52 mircea_popescu !up nomos__
12:53 mircea_popescu punkman: danielpbarron: we could have 10 gribbles and you could check that counterparty is authed against X of those << i recall discussions about wot bridges in here too. none of it is insurmontable, except, making a p2p wot.
12:54 mircea_popescu which is why the multicentral approach seems to me better.
12:54 mircea_popescu danielpbarron: links are fine as long as they aren't videos without tits << hm, thinking about it, that's exacly the rule, isn't it ? observant daniel.
12:55 thestringpuller ;;calc 399811.74163205 * 0.00000190
12:55 gribble 0.759642309101
12:55 mircea_popescu punkman :we don't have timelocks yet << timecocks would be pretty cool too.
12:57 mircea_popescu brianhoffman: i know that Dionysis feels the same way so please don’t be turned off by anything we throw out there as we’re not trying to stomp out others who are smarter on this stuff <<< well the s/use/leverage/g thing you got going is a bit weird.
12:58 ben_vulpes http://i.imgur.com/iVHfwLc.gif
12:58 thestringpuller i think there is a way to sucesfully use nlocktime without having to worry about doublespend
12:58 mircea_popescu anyway, the major stiucking point here being, so you have your openbazaar, and anonderp is selling a box of secret documents or w/e.
12:58 mircea_popescu how is he supposed to deliver this without getting caught ?
12:58 pete_dushenski xanthyos: so much for my $360 (10 double chai) prediction << ha!
12:59 bounce cut all the papers in two, send one box by ups and the other by fedex
12:59 mircea_popescu lmao
13:00 mircea_popescu what if they're live baby rats for a certain brunette chick?
13:00 pete_dushenski xanthyos: russell brand's going to have to stroke some furry walls hard enough to tear the shag out if he keeps attaching his name to max keiser's cryptocoin << on fire, this guy.
13:00 mircea_popescu yeah im bevcoming a xanth fan too
13:00 mircea_popescu !up xanthyos
13:00 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot xanthyos
13:00 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user xanthyos: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=xanthyos | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=xanthyos | Rated since: Tue May 13 21:36:26 2014
13:00 thestringpuller we should just refer to maxcoin as jefferycoin for now on.
13:02 mircea_popescu http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/deicide-s-benton-i-hate-hoffman-brothers-more-than-anything-in-this-world/ one of the better interviews
13:02 assbot Deicide's Benton: 'I Hate Hoffman Brothers More Than Anything In This World' - Blabbermouth.net
13:02 mircea_popescu Decibel: Has it been weird writing songs without the Hoffman brothers [Eric and Brian, former DEICIDE guitarists]?
13:02 mircea_popescu Benton: "It's been the fucking greatest thing in the world. Those two are a couple of idiots, man. I hate Eric and Brian Hoffman more than anything in this world, and I will not rest until I put shit straight with the fans. Up 'til now, everybody thinks I kicked them out of the band, but nobody kicked anybody out. They quit on their own, and I wanna set the record straight in regard to those two fuckin' pricks."
13:03 pete_dushenski thestringpuller: yup.
13:06 mircea_popescu Benton: "Yeah, they're real nice guys. We're in the process of suing them right now — for slander and everything else, dude. They're going around telling people I'm addicted to methamphetamine. You know what? Who hasn't experimented with a few things in their life? Big deal. So what if I experimented? They did, too! But, look, I don't even drink anymore, man. I mean, I'll have a Heineken every once in a while, but I
13:06 mircea_popescu was drinking a bottle of Jack Daniel's every night before I went onstage and another bottle while I was playing. That starts catching up with you real quick, and I started going blind in my right eye. So after a nice scare at the doctor's office about four years ago, I stopped."
13:06 mircea_popescu total comedy gold these people
13:12 bounce that about this guy?
13:15 mircea_popescu hm ?
13:16 bounce that refers to the same guy as the brianhoffman popped by here earlier?
13:16 mircea_popescu a no. just name coincidence.
13:16 thickasthieves would it be absurd for me to suggest that bitcoin volatility has a base shape, which appears as fractals and distorts according to current trend? sorta like an elliot wave or bubble pattern? something like the shape of the algorithm as averaged by combinining all trade bots and human behavior?
13:17 mircea_popescu there's a coupla death metal bass players, brothers, by that name
13:21 pete_dushenski Vexual: this ones a newspaper, blogs are for little girls << orly?
13:25 thestringpuller http://quartersnacks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/subway-ollie.jpg
13:27 bounce what a cute photo. until you realise how it was probably taken.
13:27 mircea_popescu !up indiancandy1
13:27 indiancandy1 thans
13:28 indiancandy1 thanks
13:28 indiancandy1 long time
13:28 indiancandy1 how are you mp
13:28 mircea_popescu great as ever. yourself ?
13:28 indiancandy1 im good dear
13:28 indiancandy1 u still in argentina
13:28 mircea_popescu yep
13:28 indiancandy1 awsom
13:28 indiancandy1 im in india
13:28 mircea_popescu getting married ?
13:29 indiancandy1 no dear
13:29 indiancandy1 goin on a city tour
13:29 mircea_popescu btw, dun call people dear in english. it's this 70 year old grandma thing to do, and for some reason all indian camgirls do it.
13:29 fluffypony finding your inner sacred cow?
13:29 indiancandy1 ahaha
13:29 mircea_popescu (reason being that they proly learned english from 70yo little old ladies)
13:29 indiancandy1 racist
13:29 indiancandy1 :O
13:30 indiancandy1 ahaha
13:30 indiancandy1 all indian cam girls
13:30 mircea_popescu which city is india ?
13:30 indiancandy1 stereotype
13:30 indiancandy1 jeez
13:30 indiancandy1 im in lucknow
13:30 indiancandy1 at the moment in up
13:30 mircea_popescu hm. never been there.
13:30 indiancandy1 i signed a new fil
13:30 indiancandy1 film
13:30 indiancandy1 so im promotin it
13:30 mircea_popescu o hey. what's your role ?
13:30 indiancandy1 called i luv dubai
13:31 mircea_popescu link it ?
13:31 indiancandy1 ok
13:31 indiancandy1 1sec
13:31 indiancandy1 youtube
13:31 indiancandy1 isnt working
13:31 indiancandy1 i duno why
13:31 bounce senile tremor on the enter key?
13:32 indiancandy1 youtube shanti dynamite i luv dubai
13:32 mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fzFaX5k9H0 ?
13:32 assbot Ajaz, Shanti Dynamite in 'I Luv Dubai' - YouTube
13:32 indiancandy1 ya me and ajaz
13:33 indiancandy1 youtube isnt working for me i duno why
13:33 mircea_popescu tsk, pushing up your tits and being all bashful about your hip tattoo ?
13:33 mircea_popescu lol and fakekissing the guy ? ok, this was entertaining
13:34 indiancandy1 no not really camera only ffocused on negative things
13:34 indiancandy1 sadly
13:34 mircea_popescu yeah looks like they want to set you up for a heel role.
13:35 indiancandy1 the camera was only zooming
13:35 indiancandy1 on my boobs
13:35 mircea_popescu so what's your pr lady next move for you ? major drug scandal ?
13:36 indiancandy1 pr man
13:37 indiancandy1 my pr is a man
13:37 indiancandy1 give me good ideas
13:37 thickasthieves sex tape
13:37 thickasthieves oh wait
13:37 mircea_popescu nah sex tape wrong move for her.
13:37 indiancandy1 im goin 2 shower il b bACK
13:38 mircea_popescu indiancandy1 it's simple, have some people friendly in the press over at your hotel, have a policeman come and arrest you and confiscate a huge bundle of flour.
13:38 mircea_popescu then you declare you're innocent, a week later they let you go because it was a mistake and there you go, two extra points. maybe three.
13:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2180 @ 0.00058096 = 1.2665 BTC [+] {4}
13:46 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2014#860305 < several problems with that, id fix if there would be a good solution. problem 1: !down would depend on gribbles presence, now it does not since down does not check wot but if a person self upped or not. problem 2: afaik even wot api is cached
13:46 assbot Logged on 06-10-2014 03:17:27; ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: can we do something about this rating lag?
13:47 mircea_popescu kakobrekla nah dun worry about it. not really a problem.
13:47 kakobrekla so even if you unrate/negrate you can not down that person, not cause of cache but cause they self upped
13:47 kakobrekla well, someone could run a bnc, self up and yapp for weeks
13:48 mircea_popescu bnc can also have problems.
13:48 kakobrekla just sayin
13:48 mircea_popescu yeah. dun worry about it, worry bout something else :)
13:51 thickasthieves http://www.coindesk.com/investor-tim-draper-leads-snapcards-1-5-million-seed-round/
13:51 assbot Investor Tim Draper Leads SnapCard's $1.5 Million Seed Round
13:53 mircea_popescu "HOW SNAPCARD WORKS. Download snapCard."
13:53 mircea_popescu orly ? lol.
14:00 pete_dushenski "Everything published was very logical. But, consider this, what if you were to create a awesome title? I ain't suggesting your content is not good., however suppose you added something that makes people want more? I mean IRC Yeshiva | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski is a little plain. You could glance at Yahoo's front page and see how they create news titles to grab viewers to open the links. You might add a
14:00 pete_dushenski video or a pic or two to get people excited about what you've written. In my opinion, it would make your website a little bit more interesting." << lol these sp4mmers
14:00 pete_dushenski so good i'm tempted to approve the comment
14:01 thickasthieves approve a picture of the comment, kill two birds
14:02 mircea_popescu lol
14:03 pete_dushenski haha don't give me ideas
14:03 pete_dushenski mebbe ima take a video of a nekkid chick takin a picture of it then approve that
14:04 mircea_popescu $proxies
14:04 empyex mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.biz mpex.co mpex.bz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
14:04 empyex mircea_popescu: MPEx-Status: mpex.ws (163 milliseconds), mpex.co (195 milliseconds), mpex.biz (433 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (528 milliseconds), mpex.bz (752 milliseconds)
14:04 empyex mircea_popescu: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √
14:04 mircea_popescu aha
14:04 mircea_popescu !up Terra123
14:05 pete_dushenski https://twitter.com/KonradSGraf/status/518879632473726976 << just to bug ben_vulpes
14:05 assbot The 5th of October in bitcoin price history10: $0.0611: $4.90 +82x12: $12.75 +2.6x13: $121.49 +9.5x14: $304.16 +2.5x
14:06 mircea_popescu sooo apparently a mpex proxy (mpex.co) got dns hijacked ?
14:07 pete_dushenski iiiiinteresting
14:07 kakobrekla it did?
14:07 thickasthieves so next is 10x?
14:07 thickasthieves makes sense
14:08 thickasthieves 3000
14:08 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: i don't recall, do we like j tucker ? << o mr. sleepyhead? there's definitely worse muppets out on the "conference" scene.
14:08 thickasthieves is that the bowtie guy
14:08 mircea_popescu hmmm no, it did not.
14:09 mircea_popescu i dunno wtf this was.
14:09 thickasthieves there's this interview with him and hearn where he's just gushing
14:09 thickasthieves or maybe he's always that way
14:09 mircea_popescu well that's no crime yet.
14:10 thickasthieves i thought all things distinctive were crimes?!
14:11 pete_dushenski thickasthieves: yup, definitely bowtie guy
14:11 pete_dushenski personal friend of bitstein's too afaik
14:11 thickasthieves word
14:12 pete_dushenski he's a pretty gushy dude it seems
14:12 thickasthieves ah
14:13 pete_dushenski and he was even "distinctive" enough to pass out cold at a conference dinner while being referenced by the speaker on stage. see: http://contravex.com/2014/04/16/ex-post-toronto-bitcoin-expo/
14:13 assbot Ex-Post: Toronto Bitcoin Expo | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
14:14 mircea_popescu !up brianhoffman
14:14 mircea_popescu !up dionyziz
14:14 brianhoffman thank you
14:14 mircea_popescu sure.
14:15 brianhoffman ok I’ve got @dionyziz here and I think he may have some questions for you all
14:15 mircea_popescu didja see thge logs ?
14:15 mircea_popescu cuz i was talking @you after you apparently left.
14:15 dionyziz Ha, I can speak! :)
14:15 dionyziz Hello.
14:16 brianhoffman no I did not. is it online anywhere?
14:17 brianhoffman ok i think i found it
14:17 brianhoffman reading now
14:17 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2014#861219
14:17 assbot Logged on 06-10-2014 16:47:26; mircea_popescu: "OpenBazaar is an open source project to create a decentralized network for commerce online—using Bitcoin—that has no fees and cannot be censored."
14:17 mircea_popescu right
14:19 brianhoffman mircea_popescu: you are asking about shipping of items across OpenBazaar?
14:19 brianhoffman and also I am not the guitarist for Deicide lol
14:19 dionyziz I heard you guys have some thoughts on our web-of-trust ideas.
14:19 brianhoffman I can play guitar but I’m not in a heavy metal by any means lol
14:20 dionyziz I'm very interested in hearing them, especially if you disagree with our proposals.
14:20 brianhoffman mircea_popescu did you see dionyziz’ paper that we have up online? i posted the link earlier
14:20 dionyziz If you think what we're trying to do is impossible or impractical, this is very important to us and we want to know why.
14:20 mircea_popescu dionyziz well not so much on your ideas whatever they may be, but moreover, how familiar are you with the wot as it works and is implemented currently ?
14:20 brianhoffman I’m working through your devil goat entry
14:20 mircea_popescu devil goat ? which is that one ?
14:21 brianhoffman urban vs. rural
14:21 mircea_popescu oh hehe. myeah.
14:21 mircea_popescu <brianhoffman> mircea_popescu: you are asking about shipping of items across OpenBazaar? << yes.
14:21 penguirker New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/asic-miner-price/
14:21 dionyziz mircea_popescu: Are you talking about the bitcoin-otc wot, the gpg wot, the freenet wot, which one exatly?
14:21 brianhoffman the issue of shipping ties in nicely with the discussion about arbitration and third-parties in trade transactions
14:22 mircea_popescu dionyziz the first.
14:22 dionyziz mircea_popescu: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=dionyziz&sign=ANY&type=RECV
14:23 assbot Rating Details for User 'dionyziz'
14:23 dionyziz mircea_popescu: Yes, I have sent and received some ratings and used this system to exachange bitcoin.
14:23 mircea_popescu brianhoffman let me restate it. since shipping precludes practical anonimity, it makes sense to bundle the trust required to maintain pseudonymous identities with the trust required to police transactions, resulting in the following cutting of your mayo : centralized trade with decentralized comm network. which reduces your idea to reimplementing gpg over email.
14:24 mircea_popescu dionyziz that is rather basic, but anyway, much better than nothing at all.
14:24 mircea_popescu so, how do you aim to improve on this ?
14:24 dionyziz mircea_popescu: Yes, my rating is basic on bitcoin-otc, but I feel I have an understanding of your work.
14:25 dionyziz Regarding your comments on shipping, this is a different issue which we also have concerns about.
14:25 mircea_popescu well that was @ brianhoffman. you, i asked how you aim to improve the wot as it is
14:25 dionyziz As for your question regarding improvements over your bitcoin-otc wot work, I'd like to first say that we appreciate the work you've done.
14:25 mircea_popescu you know i've done nothing much re bitcoin otc. it's mostly nanotube's thing.
14:25 dionyziz And it's an important asset for the bitcoin community.
14:25 dionyziz Yes, I mean "you" in plural.
14:26 dionyziz You as in, people in this channel who have worked on this.
14:26 mircea_popescu but anyway! thanks, and dun worry about it, you're not being griled in the sense of having been a bad boy
14:26 mircea_popescu im just trying to grok .
14:26 dionyziz So, regarding improvements.
14:26 dionyziz Some of these ideas are detailed in my paper, but keep in mind that my paper is incomplete and just lays out some of our thoughts. We are improving on it and thinking about additional things.
14:26 brianhoffman I think I see what you’re saying in regards to reimplementing gpg. This is a valid point.
14:27 dionyziz The first issue we have with bitcoin-otc is its Achilles' heel.
14:27 mircea_popescu dionyziz i am keeping it in mind, which is why i asked diretly :)
14:27 dionyziz We feel its centralization is harmful.
14:27 dionyziz In OpenBazaar, our threat model requires no centralization, so we want users to be able to validate trust directly.
14:28 mircea_popescu brianhoffman no, it's not. looky here, let's model it. there are 3 items of interest. 1. the shipping of purchased items ; 2. the discussion of trade, ie, merchant and buyer meeting hteir minds ; 3. the payment for purchases. now, these 3 can be sorted in any which way. otc for instance sorts it that 2 is gpg over email or an irc channel, 1 is mail and 3 is the wot.
14:28 punkman that's when I ask you to GPG sign something
14:28 dionyziz This is the main reason we think bitcoin-otc wot is inadequate.
14:29 mircea_popescu brianhoffman your proposition is to somehow weld them together, but because you can not practically remove the problem of 1, it'll still revert to something similar, inevitably.
14:29 mircea_popescu dionyziz are you familiar with the discussion of multicentrality vs decentralisation ?
14:30 brianhoffman are you implying that the anonymity is simply thrown out the window once you begin shipping purchased items? i’m feeling dense here.
14:30 mircea_popescu quite that, yes.
14:31 brianhoffman well i guess my response at least initially would be are we really trying to solve that issue here...
14:31 brianhoffman i don’t think that is really in scope for OpenBazaar
14:31 brianhoffman i see it as an issue
14:31 brianhoffman but i don’t believe we’re proposing a solution here at the moment for that challenge
14:32 mircea_popescu i gather. but the thing is, that challenge will unravel whatever model you may build.
14:32 mircea_popescu it's why silkroad collapsed, after all. you can't ship.
14:32 mircea_popescu and since you can't really tell people what to do, you will end up in that conflict whether you want to or not.
14:32 brianhoffman you do realize that a large percentage of items shipped are most likely illicit. this does not stop it from occurring.
14:33 brianhoffman and those engaging in privacy conscious behavior will know to protect as best they can out of band from OpenBazaar
14:33 mircea_popescu i think you maybe misunderstand how safety is effectually implemented.
14:33 brianhoffman ok enlighten me
14:33 mircea_popescu well, for as long as you're small nobody cares that you're moving contraband back and forth, because it's not meaningfully discernible from the general noise of the system
14:33 mircea_popescu once you become large you ipso facto have a footprint
14:33 mircea_popescu at which point you either go to jail or backstab your users
14:34 mircea_popescu in practice, both.
14:35 brianhoffman well i think that mirrors real life rather well. as your “image” becomes larger your activity becomes less indistinguishable from others.
14:35 brianhoffman you stick out
14:35 dionyziz I do not see why this is a necessity.
14:35 brianhoffman i agree
14:35 brianhoffman my argument is that this is a meatspace issue
14:35 mircea_popescu dionyziz b ecause you're leaking information through the shipping. think of it in crypto terms, you're using a 8 bit key on an amiga as part of the process.
14:36 bounce not all trades involve items shipped, and where they do the users of any system, decentralised or not, basically have to provide their own safety. cut-outs and that sort of thing. it does put a bit of a damper as to what is reasonable to advertise.
14:36 mircea_popescu brianhoffman well sure, but it doesn't so much matter if it's a meatspace issue or not. what matters is that it's the controlling issue
14:36 dionyziz mircea_popescu: Some items are shipped digitally.
14:36 mircea_popescu and in being controlling, it'll control. which means it'll shape the marketplace.
14:36 dionyziz But solving the shipping problem is currently out of the scope of OpenBazaar.
14:36 dionyziz We're not trying to solve this problem.
14:36 mircea_popescu dionyziz for that much your idea would work fine
14:36 dionyziz We're not trying to solve every problem.
14:36 mircea_popescu except information wants to be free and all that.
14:37 dionyziz There are ideas to make shipping more untrackable.
14:37 brianhoffman well i’d like to say we’re working on a decentralized drone delivery network as part of this
14:37 dionyziz Rented PO boxes.
14:37 brianhoffman but our scope is already huge
14:37 dionyziz Drones.
14:37 dionyziz etc. etc.
14:37 mircea_popescu but yes, for that thin sliver where carders and snowden wanna pass along secrets, there's something.
14:37 dionyziz And I'm interested in these ideas, but OpenBazaar is not trying to find solutions there.
14:37 mircea_popescu dionyziz how old are you ?
14:37 dionyziz mircea_popescu: I'm 27.
14:37 dionyziz You?
14:37 thestringpuller drones are not going to work in the US
14:37 thestringpuller they WILL find you
14:37 dionyziz thestringpuller: I live in the EU :)
14:37 mircea_popescu okay. im 35. but anyway : no, rented po boxes and drones aren't solutions.
14:37 thestringpuller and they will fine you
14:38 dionyziz Sure, ok.
14:38 brianhoffman hey all i have to run. very busy day but i am enjoying the convo. i will be back.
14:38 dionyziz As I said, in OpenBazaar we don't try to solve the problem of shipping.
14:38 dionyziz In the same way that cryptography isn't trying to solve all the problems of security,
14:38 mircea_popescu ok, so what problem does it try to solve ?
14:38 dionyziz in OpenBazaar we want to maintain anonymity at the point of trade.
14:39 mircea_popescu you mean anonimity or pseudonimity ?
14:39 dionyziz We want to allow people to agree on a trade and exchange the money and sign the contract in a pseudonymous manner.
14:39 dionyziz The delivery is their own problem.
14:39 mircea_popescu these two are not the same in any sense, stop using them as synonyms.
14:39 dionyziz "Anonymity" and "pseudonymity" are defined precisely on my writing.
14:39 mircea_popescu anyway : this already exists, it's a solved problem. why are you resolving a solved problem ?
14:39 dionyziz I don't think it's a solved problem.
14:39 dionyziz Can you explain why you think it's a solved problem?
14:40 mircea_popescu yes. because for instance, lemme find it
14:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34536 @ 0.00074314 = 25.6651 BTC [-] {2}
14:43 dionyziz OK
14:43 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/asicminer-agreementtxt.asc << there you go.
14:43 mircea_popescu pseudonymous parties agreeing on a trade, exchanging money and signing the contract.
14:43 mircea_popescu in... 2012.
14:44 mircea_popescu (and here's a riot, 1.2k asicminer full shares ? aka 6k btc at the peak ? history!)
14:45 dignork !up dionyziz
14:46 thickasthieves shit remember that lot jutarul sold on the forum at 5btc?
14:46 thickasthieves was it 2000?
14:46 thickasthieves good ole days
14:46 dionyziz mircea_popescu: OK, I will read this.
14:46 dionyziz Thank you for sharing this with me :)
14:46 dionyziz And thank you for taking the time to address these issues with us.
14:47 mircea_popescu dionyziz don't take things the wrong way, there's plenty of work to do for people wanting to be useful. it's just important not to waste the enthusiasm of youth on dead ends.
14:47 mircea_popescu this chan's always here for that very reason
14:47 dionyziz Ah, I see what this is.
14:48 dignork dionyziz: Another potential problem: decentralized arbitration will act as random oracle. If arbiters will keep bias towards buyer, sellers will increase prices to compensate. Bias towards sellers will make buyers to seek discount >= bias rate. Assuming sellers will have to maintain their ratings, risk will mainly be on the seller side, this risk will be priced in. Do you have any estimates on the
14:48 dignork risk adjustment percentage?
14:48 dionyziz mircea_popescu: Maybe it is similar to this agreement that I did with a friend a few months ago? https://dionyziz.com/hedge.txt
14:49 mircea_popescu dignork you can't have bias in a decentralized market. you will instead have volatility. bias happens in central markets like ebay deciding to side with buyer
14:49 dionyziz I'm familiar with the concept of GPG-signing a personal contract.
14:49 mircea_popescu dionyziz it's not personal in any sense. signatures are pseudonyms for this purpose
14:50 dionyziz mircea_popescu: The problem I am trying to solve in OpenBazaar is in particular how two pseudonymous agents can trust each other without knowing each other.
14:50 mircea_popescu but anyway, conceptually similar to your thing, sure. people agreeing on a trade and exchanging the money and signing the contract in a pseudonymous manner.
14:50 thickasthieves and can host illegal software without being caught
14:50 mircea_popescu which is a matter of the wot. lettuce find the relevant article.
14:50 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
14:50 assbot What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
14:51 mircea_popescu dionyziz ^
14:51 mircea_popescu and with this i'll have to take a meeting, but will be back in an hour or so. cheers.
14:51 dionyziz Thanks for the link, I will read it.
14:51 dionyziz Let's talk again soon :)
14:51 dionyziz Nice meeting you.
14:51 dionyziz Bye for now.
14:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46800 @ 0.00074439 = 34.8375 BTC [+] {2}
14:54 pete_dushenski https://twitter.com/AngeloBTC/status/519170753036427264 << lol @ seamonster
14:54 assbot /hashtag/BearWhaled?src=hash http://t.co/BknJyNIy5S
14:55 pete_dushenski i guess he's andreas 3.0 (2.0 was twobittard)
15:00 dignork mircea_popescu: bias was mentioned as part of explanation on why arbiters will act as random oracles, thus making risk split 50/50 on buyer and seller.
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15:19 Naphex So.. did you guys check out http://coinspark.org/ yet ?
15:19 assbot CoinSpark | Lightweight Scalable Solution for Colored Coins
15:29 ben_vulpes kakobrekla, mircea_popescu: afaik even wot api is cached
15:29 * ben_vulpes chuckles
15:30 ben_vulpes yeah, that'd stop realtime anything
15:30 kakobrekla even realtime chuckles
15:30 ben_vulpes i'm an asynchronous chuckler
15:31 ben_vulpes ;;later tell pete_dushenski that's moderately interesting. do you think the pink whale's responsible?
15:31 gribble The operation succeeded.
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15:49 thestringpuller where is wot api?
15:49 thestringpuller ben_vulpes hook me up
15:50 * ben_vulpes chuck
15:50 * ben_vulpes les
15:58 thestringpuller seriously just gonna leave me hangin?
15:58 xanthyos wow btc is in the black!
15:58 xanthyos 5.4% up last 24h
15:59 xanthyos this is it, guys. next stop 10k
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16:14 ben_vulpes lol u
16:14 ben_vulpes ;;ticker
16:14 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 329.7, Best ask: 331.11, Bid-ask spread: 1.41000, Last trade: 331.11, 24 hour volume: 77530.12186140, 24 hour low: 295.89, 24 hour high: 347.0, 24 hour vwap: 314.494778796
16:16 thestringpuller xanthyos: 5.4% up last 24h that's a pretty good ROI
16:17 dignork Naphex: coinspark << another OP_RETURN riding model, similar to counterparty. Cool part - SPV, but it actually relies on asset tracking servers: http://coinspark.org/create-asset/asset-tracking-server/
16:17 assbot Optional: Run your own asset tracking server | CoinSpark
16:27 thickasthieves http://www.complex.com/music/2014/10/battle-rapper-daylyt-attempted-to-poop-on-stage-after-getting-booed-at-a-show-this-weekend
16:27 assbot Battle Rapper Daylyt Attempted to Poop On Stage After Getting Booed At a Show This Weekend | Complex
16:27 thickasthieves poop!
16:36 TomServo You're failing pretty hard when you fail at shitting.
16:37 Naphex dignork: yeah, the only thing that i mind is that you can't have asset tracking servers track everything
16:37 Naphex and have to specify some reference ID
16:37 Naphex i mind yet*, still checking it out
16:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00074476 = 13.0333 BTC [+] {2}
16:39 Naphex atleast their issued code, apperantly whats running on their free servers tracks everything
16:40 TomServo Holy shit this 'seamonster' "crash analysis podcast" is a train wreck.
16:45 dignork Naphex: still, as far as I can see they fail to provide any usefull functionality besides what already done in counterparty. Impossibility to spend/destroy assets by dumb wallet is a nice touch, but that's it.
16:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00074487 = 28.1561 BTC [+] {3}
16:52 punkman from coinspark server thing, sounds safe "PHP compiled with the --enable-shmop option, since the PHP script communicates with the compiled C process via shared memory."
16:52 punkman also "At least 8 GB of RAM."
16:52 Naphex punkman: the deamon which parsesd bitcoind data dir, uses shmop as IPC
16:53 Naphex and there is just this php tat would IPC with it using shmop lol
16:53 punkman so what is it, colored coins?
16:54 Naphex colored coins with some asset servers
16:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7083 @ 0.00074512 = 5.2777 BTC [+]
17:00 sgornick Hey cazalla and/or BingoBoing, ... check PM for message re: @Qntra twitter - http://Twitter.com/Qntra
17:00 assbot Qntra (@qntra) | Twitter
17:02 mircea_popescu dignork yeah in that you have a point
17:03 mircea_popescu still the major problem will be that while on average say it's an ideal market, 0% bias, that average has a poisson distribution of maybe 15% each way, so any individual buyer could see a price fuzziness as close to 30% as his luck gets.
17:03 mircea_popescu ie, want to sell for 20, sell anywhere between 17 and 23.
17:06 mircea_popescu <ben_vulpes> yeah, that'd stop realtime anything <<< realtime and trust don't mix. the fundamental is this old thing from coinpal : http://trilema.com/2012/adnotated-words-of-wisdom-on-the-topic-of-online-fraud/
17:06 assbot Adnotated words of wisdom on the topic of online fraud pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
17:06 mircea_popescu ;;messages cazalla
17:06 gribble Error: "messages" is not a valid command.
17:06 mircea_popescu ;;notice cazalla
17:06 gribble Error: You don't have the reply.notice capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
17:06 mircea_popescu lol wtf was it
17:06 mike_c ;;notes cazalla
17:06 gribble Sent 7 minutes ago: <sgornick> Re: Qntra.net, I registered @Qntra on Twitter before some griefer /squatter did. Then put a Twitterfeed to push tweets from the RSS feed. When you want the twitter acct, let me know what e-mail to assign it to. It can't be an e-mail already used for any other twitter account.
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17:07 mircea_popescu TomServo> Holy shit this 'seamonster' "crash analysis podcast" is a train wreck. << but that's what you were there for right ?
17:08 mircea_popescu <punkman> also "At least 8 GB of RAM." << that sounds like five ddoses waiting to happen...
17:09 mircea_popescu !up junkie
17:09 mircea_popescu ;;later tell sgornick nice of you eh.
17:09 gribble The operation succeeded.
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17:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1325 @ 0.000589 = 0.7804 BTC [+]
17:39 mircea_popescu ;;seen psterryl
17:39 gribble psterryl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 26 weeks, 2 days, 23 hours, 27 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <psterryl> how many individual trades there were
17:42 penguirker New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/receiver-for-bflabs/
17:48 mircea_popescu "According to the report, a work for successfully enforcing the schooling has been dynamically pushed forward as the one involving the whole state, all people and the whole society and signal successes have been made in it."
17:48 mircea_popescu i guess ex-drpk bureaucrats can probably find job writing forum prospectuses.
17:53 mike_c ;;seen wyrdmantis
17:53 gribble wyrdmantis was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 3 days, 11 hours, 54 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <wyrdmantis> Alibaba IPO? Totally unrelated to this downmove?
17:55 mike_c ;;isitdown bcoinnews.com
17:55 gribble bcoinnews.com is up
17:55 mike_c not for me gribble.
17:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17120 @ 0.00074556 = 12.764 BTC [+]
17:59 kakobrekla !s bitlendingclub
17:59 assbot 0 results for 'bitlendingclub' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bitlendingclub
17:59 kakobrekla 400% apr https://bitlendingclub.com hehe
17:59 assbot BitLendingClub: Peer to Peer Bitcoin Lending Platform
18:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19250 @ 0.00074298 = 14.3024 BTC [-] {3}
18:05 xanthyos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dAHGvmT6v8
18:05 assbot Earth Time Lapse, International Space Station, ISS, Fly Over, ORBIT HD - YouTube
18:15 punkman http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-Rare-Apple-iPhone-6-Prototype-64gb-/171483815097
18:15 assbot Brand New RARE Apple iPhone 6 Prototype 64GB | eBay
18:16 punkman ;;calc 100000 / [tlast]
18:16 gribble 301.8503426
18:17 mircea_popescu ;;calc 1000000 / [twontlast]
18:17 gribble Error: "twontlast" is not a valid command.
18:17 mircea_popescu it's not as much a command as a scrying :D
18:22 ben_vulpes ;;tlast
18:22 gribble 331.38
18:22 ben_vulpes ah.
18:22 ben_vulpes ;;bcstats
18:22 gribble Current Blocks: 324180 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 395 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 12 hours, 22 minutes, and 55 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35337713013.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.95112
18:27 mircea_popescu !up tomding
18:33 punkman here have some weird https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAoME_aMm1w
18:33 assbot T.O.P - DOOM DADA M/V - YouTube
18:40 thickasthieves or writing prospectii for Pat Byrne http://www.wired.com/2014/10/overstock-com-assembles-coders-build-bitcoin-like-stock-market/
18:40 assbot Overstock.com Assembles Coders to Create a Bitcoin-Like Stock Market | WIRED
18:41 thickasthieves "After Overstock builds its cryptosecurity software—which will likely take several months—Byrne intends to present the system to regulators for approval. But this may be difficult to win, because the SEC and the incumbent banks are so set in their ways."
18:41 punkman lol
18:41 mircea_popescu heh.
18:42 mircea_popescu lettuce never learn from the mistakes of asicminer. lettuce forever be speshul and cover the same wrong turns.
18:42 thickasthieves ftr i was never offered the position :)
18:42 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/the-analysis-of-a-failure-asicminer/ for absolutely no reason.
18:42 assbot The analysis of a failure : Asicminer pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
18:44 thickasthieves AM is selling $0.33/GH now, i wonder if thatmeans theyll pay divs again
18:45 thickasthieves ;;estimate
18:45 gribble Next difficulty estimate | 35371817081.7 based on data since last change | 39333332992.6 based on data for last three days
18:45 thickasthieves lol was 37 yesterday
18:46 mircea_popescu yea prolly gonna bust that 41 or 43 or w/e the bet was
18:46 mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats
18:46 gribble Current Blocks: 324182 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 393 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 12 hours, 4 minutes, and 35 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35371817081.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.04952
18:46 mircea_popescu it went up a whole .1% in twenty minutes, that estimation.
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19:18 mircea_popescu fucking arsonists these people.
19:18 mircea_popescu 2nd fire in my building in like a month or so
19:19 TheNewDeal grease fire?
19:19 thickasthieves argentinians are pretty greasy
19:19 mircea_popescu nah this smells like paper
19:19 mircea_popescu i guess must be a dyi divorce gone bad or something
19:21 assbot Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1VAT8RZ.txt )
19:21 BingoBoingo !b 6
19:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.NSA] 5000 @ 0.00012 = 0.6 BTC
19:24 BingoBoingo qntra traffic thus far, I'll get on cazalla to set up quantcast when he's back: http://i.imgur.com/HaGe47Y.png
19:31 mircea_popescu speaking of which, "The term "palimony" is not a legal or historical term, but rather a colloquial portmanteau of the words pal and alimony coined by celebrity divorce attorney Marvin Mitchelson in 1977 when his client Michelle Triola Marvin filed an unsuccessful suit against the actor Lee Marvin."
19:32 mircea_popescu seems it'd have been better called marvinomy
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19:49 penguirker New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/rockminer-r4-devices-seized-at-customs-one-person-detained/
19:57 TheNewDeal ;;trust penguirker
19:57 gribble Error: "trust" is not a valid command.
19:57 TheNewDeal ;;gettrust penguirker
19:57 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user TheNewDeal to user penguirker: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=TheNewDeal&dest=penguirker | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=penguirker | Rated since: never
20:09 BingoBoingo Animals in captivity: http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/10/06/1837237/lennart-poettering-open-source-community-quite-a-sick-place-to-be-in
20:09 assbot Lennart Poettering: Open Source Community "Quite a Sick Place To Be In" - Slashdot
20:11 BingoBoingo Poettering on Linus: "But more importantly, I'd actually put some blame on a certain circle of folks that play a major role in kernel development, and first and foremost Linus Torvalds himself. By many he is a considered a role model, but he is quite a bad one. If he posts words like "[specific folks] ...should be retroactively aborted. Who the f*ck does idiotic things like that?"
20:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6953 @ 0.00074155 = 5.156 BTC [-]
20:27 mod6 this qntra.net is p cool. looks good in lynx too.
20:27 dub not sure about the pink
20:28 asciilifeform 'people started collecting Bitcoins to hire a hitman for me' << lulz
20:29 BingoBoingo mod6: Thanks. I'll make sure cazalla sees the praise.
20:31 midnightmagic Linus is a drunk, I don't know why anybody expects anything different from him.
20:32 BingoBoingo midnightmagic: What's wrong with being a drunk? ALso his attidtude gets results.
20:32 mod6 BingoBoingo: werd
20:32 BingoBoingo dub: What's pink?
20:34 midnightmagic I don't really care much about his attitude. But his brain is malfunctioning because he is drunk all the time.
20:34 midnightmagic Also his drinking gets in the way of being a functional human.
20:36 asciilifeform herr poettering is quite close to destroying linux as a going concern, imho.
20:36 asciilifeform interesting that one usg mole could achieve this.
20:37 BingoBoingo What is this shit? Did Hemmingway's drinking get in the way? Did Hunter S. Thompson's drinking get in the way? Maybe drinking is what keeps Linus effective in the face of Poetterings?
20:37 asciilifeform a very curious 'effective'
20:38 midnightmagic Other people being able to handle, or not, their drinking has nothing to do with whether Linus can.
20:38 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, Red Hat gave him the platform. Fedora has close ties with Gnome... Basically one mole and a turdware vendor set up dominoes.
20:39 BingoBoingo midnightmagic: But where is the evidence Linus can't
20:40 midnightmagic BingoBoingo: You mean aside from every major talk he's given in the last X years in front of an audience and bragged about how he got blotto'd the night before?
20:41 BingoBoingo midnightmagic: That isn't ineffective. That's efficiency. Cramming as much living as possible into his time.
20:41 midnightmagic Or do you mean aside from the steep decline in cognition in the last decade or so?
20:41 midnightmagic Drinking until you can't remember is not "living." It is "dying."
20:42 BingoBoingo If you get the success to get a big old role of drink tickets with your invite to speak at an event not using the decreases your compensation. Also drinking to forget clears crud out of the brain.
20:43 midnightmagic I suppose that's so if you think your own body has no value.
20:44 BingoBoingo midnightmagic: My body is a temple. Maybe it is some rural tribal arrangement made of straw held together with Giraffe shit, but god damn it, it is still a temple!
20:44 midnightmagic :)
20:44 midnightmagic <3 giraffes
20:45 midnightmagic You'll have to let me know what trick is required to target the crud and not the good stuff. I would personally like to drink more quebecois beer..
20:46 BingoBoingo If you burn out your body with hard living at 67, maybe you only lose one year at the end to convalescing. If you treat it like some nerd's transformer doll in the packaging and live to 90, that's 2-3 decades of convalescing.
20:46 BingoBoingo midnightmagic> You'll have to let me know what trick is required to target the crud and not the good stuff. I would personally like to drink more quebecois beer.. << Practice. Also hard liquor.
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21:05 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: there are some surprisingly fit and able 60 year-old men out there.
21:05 BingoBoingo Sure
21:07 penguirker New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/10/06/5-days-of-qntra/
21:19 mike_c any insight into where qntra traffic is coming from?
21:20 BingoBoingo mike_c: Incoming links mostly it seems. People tend to be reading multiple things per day
21:23 TomServo mircea_popescu: but that's what you were there for right ? << Indeed, but still... wow. I was ill prepared.
21:25 mike_c i am an early fan. needs more pics of casascius coins though.
21:25 BingoBoingo mike_c: At some point someone is probably going to post an image
21:29 BingoBoingo !up brianhoffman
21:43 decimation re: lennart << anyone who has done anything that deals with a relatively unfiltered mass public knows how derpy and stupid the masses are. why should 'open source' be an exception?
21:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18950 @ 0.00074155 = 14.0524 BTC [-]
21:48 decimation actually this is related to lennart's whining: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/
21:48 assbot I Can Tolerate Anything Except The Outgroup | Slate Star Codex
21:49 decimation it's pretty much a crypto-rehash of moldbug's red/blue distinction but written to appeal to liberals
21:50 decimation anyway it is related to lennart because he complains about how much vitriol he faces - he is definitely part of an 'outgroup' - people who share many similarities except they differ strongly over specific beliefs
22:01 Bet placed: 2.00999999 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to rise above $600 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1055/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 22(Y):78(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.231 BTC. Current weight: 98,918.
22:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00074153 = 10.3814 BTC [-] {2}
22:14 penguirker New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/gavin-andressen-proposes-scalability-roadmap-and-hardfork/
22:22 mircea_popescu <BingoBoingo> Animals in captivity: http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/10/06/1837237/lennart-poettering-open-source-community-quite-a-sick-place-to-be-in <<< right, why is not the world more like microshit.
22:22 assbot Lennart Poettering: Open Source Community "Quite a Sick Place To Be In" - Slashdot
22:23 mircea_popescu ;;rate lennart_poettering -1 should have been aborted.
22:23 gribble Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
22:23 mircea_popescu o wow
22:23 BingoBoingo gribble blinked earlier
22:23 asciilifeform never too late to abort a fella.
22:23 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo btw is linus on freenode ?
22:24 BingoBoingo Probably?
22:24 mircea_popescu <mod6> this qntra.net is p cool. looks good in lynx too. << it does! <dub> not sure about the pink << that's because of all the gay.
22:24 danielpbarron BingoBoingo, i think it's andresen (with one 's')
22:24 mircea_popescu midnightmagic> Linus is a drunk, I don't know why anybody expects anything different from him. << linus actually has a point.
22:25 mircea_popescu it's all the idiotic faggoty dumbasses with "women's issues" and "being polite" and inane crap like that that are the problem,
22:25 mircea_popescu and roughly speaking the reason the world stinks.
22:26 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> herr poettering is quite close to destroying linux as a going concern, imho. << no. what he is close to is destroying the notion of "updates" as a going concern. which is a fucking brilliant thing, they should have died ten years ago.
22:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: before you freeze something, first have to make sure it isn't a turd. (unless stool sample...)
22:27 mircea_popescu apparently ##Linux which is fucking weird. i thought linus owned the term linux
22:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform orly ? is this how the two hotties i had sundaes with earlier were made ?
22:28 mircea_popescu tell you what. do your best, freeze it, see if it survives or dies.
22:28 mircea_popescu that's the model. that's the model that made video gaming a thing, where there was previously no thing.
22:29 * asciilifeform is not advocating update cycle, believes that anything worth calling 'os' is worth burning in mask ROM
22:29 asciilifeform but burning any extant linux into mask rom - is recipe for tears.
22:29 mircea_popescu so ?
22:29 mircea_popescu tears make the best lube
22:30 mircea_popescu after blood, at any rate.
22:30 mircea_popescu tear avoidance is not a strategy for orgasm finding.
22:31 mircea_popescu in other news, i got a spam comment from "Discount True Religion Canada Online". which seems just about right.
22:31 * asciilifeform is currently fighting with 'grub2' and desperately wants to see blood
22:31 asciilifeform their blood.
22:31 decimation asciilifeform: I would like someone from 'grub' to explain in what what 'grub2' was an improvement
22:31 decimation it's an order of magnitude more complex to manage for trival benefits
22:31 asciilifeform decimation: ask poettering.
22:31 mircea_popescu what what in the butt!
22:32 decimation is he behind that too?
22:32 asciilifeform not afaik
22:32 BingoBoingo ;;googl what what in the butt song
22:32 gribble Error: "googl" is not a valid command.
22:32 asciilifeform but he could explain why everything needs to be 'updated' and 'reinvented111!1' until end of time
22:32 BingoBoingo ;;google what what in the butt song
22:32 gribble Samwell - "What What (In the Butt)" - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbGkxcY7YFU>; What What (In the Butt) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_What_(In_the_Butt)>; What, What In the Butt - Video Clip | South Park Studios: <http://southpark.cc.com/clips/165193/what-what-in-the-butt>
22:33 thestringpuller south park did it better
22:33 mircea_popescu <mike_c> any insight into where qntra traffic is coming from? << cazalla ran off with a lass, but he'll be back midweek, ima push him to put quantcast in there, then you can see directly.
22:33 mircea_popescu <mike_c> i am an early fan. needs more pics of casascius coins though. << this is a point. topical, related, meaningful pics are a good add.
22:34 dub inb4 sharpies
22:34 mircea_popescu you know you seem oddly fascinated with that part
22:35 asciilifeform and who the fuck decided that a perfectly good 'eth0' should turn into 'enp0s29u1u1' ?
22:35 asciilifeform at that point i don't even care what the reasoning was. i don't care if it saved a thousand orphans from a fiery death.
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22:35 BingoBoingo !b 4
22:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what is this ?!
22:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: a recent gentoo
22:36 mircea_popescu i live a very sheltered life it seems.
22:37 decimation asciilifeform: well, basically the issue is that no one who wrote the original linux network subsystem apparently never conceived of how to enumerate devices
22:37 dub are you ragin at grub or 'hotplug' or whatever it is
22:37 decimation that-and - lots of hardware makers suck at actually making hardware, and their customers demand a software fix
22:37 asciilifeform decimation: i don't give a damn - it was sane before, and is turd-encrusted now in 100 ways
22:37 mircea_popescu decimation isn't that what the 0 is for ?
22:38 decimation one specific instance I know of - dell reversed the '1 and 2' ethernet ports in the bios
22:38 asciilifeform decimation: so these should be collected and burned.
22:38 mircea_popescu or flashed
22:38 asciilifeform why should my reasonable box suffer?
22:38 mircea_popescu which i guess is burning
22:38 decimation asciilifeform: indeed.
22:38 decimation but the masses instead demand a kernel change
22:39 asciilifeform kernel demands a masses change.
22:39 BingoBoingo At this rate we'll probably see Stanix before Loper
22:39 decimation linux would be 10x the disaster it already is today if linus wasn't in charge
22:39 BingoBoingo That is true
22:41 mircea_popescu quite.
22:42 decimation but I agree that the ethernet enumeration is crazy
22:42 decimation but I also submit it's because the underlying hardware world is crazy
22:42 mircea_popescu "Tolerance is definitely considered a virtue, but it suffers the same sort of dimished expectations forgiveness does."
22:42 mircea_popescu foir the record that piece quoted earlier is incredibly braindamaged.
22:42 decimation heh I thought of your post on forgiveness
22:43 decimation the guy who wrote is obviously fascinated with reactionary thought but is also a liberal jew
22:43 mircea_popescu the guy in charge is roughly in the position of poettering
22:44 mircea_popescu "how to pretend like i'm doing something really important by doing something really really complex, that happens to also be very stupid"
22:44 decimation The most interesting thing about it is the comment section, where Brandon Eich chimed in
22:44 mircea_popescu i have no idea who that is.
22:44 decimation he's the guy that was fired from mozilla for giving money to some anti-gay-marriage group
22:45 mircea_popescu "Northern Irish Protestants and Northern Irish Catholics. Hutus and Tutsis" perhaps the most ignorant piece of drivel ion there. im counting it as two strikes in one at any rate.
22:46 mircea_popescu for the clueless in the audience : the tutsis and the hutus are not different in any way, except the belgian missionarries picked the better looking adolescent boys/girls to "educate" ie, sex up
22:46 mircea_popescu and then held them apart for the rest of the population.
22:46 decimation I think that this guy hangs out with the lesswrong crowd too
22:46 mircea_popescu this has exactly fucking nothing with the policies of religion and collaborationism witrh the invader in ireland.
22:48 mircea_popescu anyway, i keep hoping maybe one days one of these libertards with unwarranted delusions of awareness comes by to peddle his stock of derpage.
22:48 mircea_popescu it'll be a fun day.
22:49 mircea_popescu http://lkml.iu.edu//hypermail/linux/kernel/1407.3/00650.html << this was a pretty good read.
22:49 assbot Linux-Kernel Archive: Re: Random panic in load_balance() with 3.16-rc
22:49 thestringpuller "don't press the panic button unless it is actual emergency"
22:50 decimation what I find amusing is that the lefties don't get that they are in a relgious war because they don't even realize that what they are derping about is metaphysics
22:50 xanthyos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HlplfG5Ezk
22:50 assbot Shatner on Mountain Climbing - YouTube
22:51 mircea_popescu that slashdot is instructive too. "by SuricouRaven (1897204) on Sunday July 27, 2014 @03:33PM (#47544763) His manner is coarse, but you must admit that he's gotten the job done. Linux advances on schedule, patches get incorporated, code gets tested, and all proceeds smoothly." "by Concerned Onlooker (473481) on Sunday July 27, 2014 @03:45PM (#47544841) Homepage Journal And Mussolini made the trains run on time?"
22:51 decimation Deep in the comments: "Friend of mine was a mid level product manager on Firefox. What she told me is that Eich’s dismissal was entirely due to politics. Specifically, Mozilla is this interesting hybrid organization that relies on it’s global open source community in order to Get Stuff Done, and they couldn’t risk alienating all the volunteers and contributors who make Mozilla possible."
22:51 mircea_popescu this is exactly the fucking problem. libtards don't want to live in a country that works, they want to live in a country run by obama.
22:51 decimation (on the topic of why Eich was fired)
22:51 mircea_popescu and the problem is, not enough heads on pikes around the lord's castle.
22:51 The20YearIRCloud joy
22:52 mircea_popescu if i ran a country i'd give linus the right to pass death sentences, and sent the secret service to execute them.
22:52 mircea_popescu best code in the universe.
22:52 The20YearIRCloud linus?
22:52 mircea_popescu yeah.
22:52 decimation yeah that would be a pretty good way of doing business
22:53 mircea_popescu im curious how many it'd come to, in a decade.
22:55 mircea_popescu "("Getting the job done" does not, and has never required being abusive to others. Getting the job done while being abusive is not proof that being abusive is required or even was part of, "getting the job done.")"
22:55 mircea_popescu all the idiotic bullshit the left keeps spouting.
22:55 mircea_popescu the only conceivable cure is liberal beatings.
23:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00074329 = 4.98 BTC [+]
23:01 The20YearIRCloud i figure it'll all come around eventually and they'll figure out what's going on
23:02 mircea_popescu yeah. except with liberal beatings it's come about tomorrow.
23:02 mircea_popescu AND there'd be fewer people around.
23:02 mircea_popescu the absolute win-win scenario.
23:03 The20YearIRCloud if it'd be legal
23:03 decimation as I recall Mr. Yarvin quoted Lord Cromer as saying that he reckoned he could effectively rule egypt if he could publicly hang one egyptian of his choosing per year
23:04 The20YearIRCloud my only kind of happiness comes in the liberal douches going through really bad parts of town with 'oppressed people' to only find out the 'oppressed' hate them and steal/rob/rape
23:04 The20YearIRCloud Not that I wish evil in liberals (They're people too), but their mindset sponsors alot of really awful things
23:04 mircea_popescu i guess since legal matters so much all planes sohuld be equipped with a congressman the way old ships were equipped with a priest
23:05 mircea_popescu if the worst comes to worst, he can just make whatever disaster illegal temporarily.
23:05 The20YearIRCloud lol
23:05 thestringpuller bad parts of town are dope though
23:05 thestringpuller especially when you find 2-3 hard working hood rats.
23:06 The20YearIRCloud I'm sure they're there, the problem i have is that those places are such cesspools because of liberal ideology
23:06 The20YearIRCloud My county is 80%+ right-wing, and we don't have those kinds of places
23:08 mircea_popescu i dunno, i'm kinda zone blind, i tend to have more fun in the "bad" parts of town
23:09 The20YearIRCloud our 'bad parts' (of columbus) have crime rates 60-100 times higher than those areas outside of them
23:11 decimation "For example, to run Egypt - a country of 10 million people, then - Cromer had about 1000 British civil servants. If you count all the Western diplomats, development experts, NGOistas, and the like, for whom the present parlous state of Egypt provides employment, how many do you get? A lot more than 1 per 10,000 Egyptians, I suspect. How many Westerners are employed in bandaging and rebandaging the permanent ulcer of Africa? Um, a
23:11 decimation lot."
23:11 decimation http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/08/from-cromer-to-romer-and-back-again.html
23:11 assbot Unqualified Reservations: From Cromer to Romer and back again: colonialism for the 21st century
23:12 The20YearIRCloud Where did the other 72 million people in egypt go?
23:13 decimation he ruled egypt at the turn of the last century
23:13 The20YearIRCloud ah
23:13 decimation and so there you go - how would 10,000 poetterings continue to "code" if linus could execute them?
23:22 mircea_popescu decimation the comparison is really unfair. the 1000 people had penicillin. today's africans have the internet.
23:23 asciilifeform all planes sohuld be equipped with a congressman << lol, korean air lines 007.
23:23 mircea_popescu and the point isn't to execute 10k derps. to make such a claim is to bestow qualities upon them they never have nor will ever have.
23:24 mircea_popescu the point is to execute one, to give the remaining 9999 some good role models for their life, and the limits and structure they desperately need.
23:24 decimation that's what I was about to write :)
23:24 decimation hang one, educate 1000
23:24 mircea_popescu every derp derping on "social media" about the libtard themes is really a very badly brought up preteen crying for help.
23:25 thestringpuller The20YearIRCloud: those places are such cesspools because of liberal ideology << some of them are created through the antithesis of that. like the remnants of slavery/apartheid/segregation etc.
23:25 mircea_popescu so, you know, free all the 13 yos trapped in 28 yo bodies.
23:25 mircea_popescu thestringpuller the problem is that "the remants of slavery/apartheid/segregation etc." === "liberal ideology"
23:26 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: two sides of the same coin?
23:26 mircea_popescu pretty much the same side imo.
23:26 thestringpuller welfare and segregation spawn from the same ideology? that seems reasonable tho.
23:26 mircea_popescu perhaps im missing the subtleties.
23:27 thestringpuller as they both affect the same socioeconomic groups for some reason...
23:27 mircea_popescu thestringpuller the shameful secret at the root of all liberal ideology is the plain notion that "those niggers" are not really people, and so must be treated differently from people.
23:27 mircea_popescu specifically, must be treated like animals.
23:27 mircea_popescu if you compare how you treat your pets and how the average liberal intends to treat "those people" you get a scary identity.
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23:27 thestringpuller !b 3
23:27 thestringpuller wise words
23:28 mircea_popescu and it's nothing short of insulting, not just to "those people" in quuestion, but to people everywhere.
23:28 thestringpuller it's like the hobo problem in south park
23:28 mircea_popescu which is the gist of stuff like http://trilema.com/2013/fried-chicken/
23:28 assbot Fried chicken pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
23:28 thestringpuller you give them a litle change, and they'll just ask for more
23:30 thestringpuller Good 'ol Rhonda.
23:30 mircea_popescu well, kinda worse than that. you don't give them a little change, you insist and repeat that they gotta get a little change.
23:30 thestringpuller You make fun of an Italian eating pasta no one really cares.
23:30 thestringpuller You point out negro's like fried chicken and it's racist. Hmmm...the plot thickens.
23:30 mircea_popescu yeah. because italians may be people. like, individuals. so you make fun of that italian.
23:31 mircea_popescu but black people don't have that. they have no souls, in the libertard's view.
23:31 mircea_popescu so you can't make fun of the one guy, the one guy doesn't exist.
23:31 mircea_popescu you only can make fun of the whole group.
23:31 mircea_popescu it's really disgusting, being a liberal.
23:32 thestringpuller I blame the hippies.
23:32 thestringpuller But that's just me.
23:32 mircea_popescu i dun blame anyone. i'm more into hangings than into blamings.
23:33 thestringpuller Ironically all the hippies from days of old are either dead or wearing suits these days.
23:33 thestringpuller They shed their libertard skin it seems and a new generation of derps picked it up.
23:34 mircea_popescu well like the saying goes, you can't stay socialist for long, it's the ideology of stupid.
23:34 thestringpuller it makes everyone feel good, and that they are doing the right thing though.
23:36 thestringpuller that was enlightening tho. i now can view socialism from a different light. ty mircea_popescu
23:37 BingoBoingo http://gawker.com/reddit-ceo-shames-ex-reddit-staffer-on-reddit-you-wer-1642998030
23:37 assbot Reddit CEO Shames Ex-Reddit Staffer on Reddit: "You Were Fired"
23:37 BingoBoingo !up WolfGoethe
23:38 WolfGoethe Hi all, had some awesome conversation here before. Missed it
23:38 BingoBoingo Hi WolfGoethe
23:38 BingoBoingo !s WolfGoethe
23:38 assbot 0 results for 'WolfGoethe' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=WolfGoethe
23:38 WolfGoethe my nick then was Ghaleon
23:39 BingoBoingo !s Ghaleon
23:39 assbot 72 results for 'Ghaleon' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=Ghaleon
23:39 BingoBoingo ty
23:39 WolfGoethe What is the most vital thing we must focus on now as a community ?
23:39 TheNewDeal nihilism?
23:40 BingoBoingo Manuls?
23:40 asciilifeform manuls - out; colocolos - in ?
23:40 decimation "as a community"?
23:41 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Maybe hybridizing the two?
23:41 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: result - cat thicker than he is long ?
23:41 BingoBoingo Of course, also better immune systems than manuls typically have.
23:42 BingoBoingo http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Streets-of-San-Francisco-drenched-in-urine-4658210.php
23:42 assbot Streets of San Francisco drenched in urine - SFGate
23:44 WolfGoethe we need to "close the circle" like the 13 colonies did. need a 20 year plan at least
23:45 BingoBoingo WolfGoethe: Well doubling the blocksize every year for two decades is probably a problematic plan
23:46 asciilifeform http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames << re: earlier crapolade
23:46 assbot PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames
23:46 WolfGoethe how bout we just start thinking ahead first
23:46 decimation asciilifeform: I should have known that lennart was behind that
23:47 mats_cd03 don't tell me what to do
23:47 mats_cd03 ur not my real dad
23:48 asciilifeform decimation: i think it's in stock udev though
23:48 asciilifeform decimation: so not even herr poettering's idea.
23:48 decimation this seems like a nonsolution to a non problem
23:49 asciilifeform it all sums to this. yes, i get it, you (for some value of 'you') like to pull your network cards out every morning, and cry when your 'eth0' ends up 'eth2' etc.
23:49 asciilifeform and so that you don't cry, normal people have to bleed.
23:49 decimation well except the kernel exposes that stuff in /proc or whatever
23:49 WolfGoethe Why do you all think the price is so low?
23:49 asciilifeform this is the basic 'ephialtes' logic of the retardation in question.
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23:50 decimation ephialtes?
23:50 asciilifeform 'i'm a hunchback, everybody should be a hunchback'
23:50 decimation heh
23:50 asciilifeform as pictured in the film '300'.
23:50 asciilifeform !s ephialtes
23:50 assbot 2 results for 'ephialtes' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=ephialtes
23:52 asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akLzeBE7QR0
23:52 assbot 300 Leonidas And Ephialtes Blu-ray - YouTube
23:52 mircea_popescu !up WolfGoethe
23:52 WolfGoethe Hi Mircea
23:52 mircea_popescu ello
23:53 decimation in that slatestarcodex post, nyrwracu calls this the 'law of Jante'
23:53 WolfGoethe I have been discussing with many folks why the price is tanking. it seems quite natural considering that btc is more of an asset than a currency... merchants are covnerting right to fiat and thus putting sell pressure on the exchanges
23:53 mircea_popescu <decimation> "as a community"? << yeah seriously. lettuce focus as electromagnetic radiation instead.
23:53 decimation !s jante law
23:53 assbot 4 results for 'jante law' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=jante+law
23:53 mircea_popescu WolfGoethe suppose you read the logs for the past few days and/or http://trilema.com/2014/the-usg-wasted-another-hundred-million-dollars-it-previously-stole-from-average-hard-working-us-citizens-nobody-cares/
23:53 assbot The USG wasted another hundred million dollars it previously stole from average, hard working US citizens. Nobody cares. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
23:54 decimation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante
23:54 assbot Law of Jante - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
23:55 WolfGoethe yes, saw your blog
23:55 WolfGoethe they shall continue to tax the people with inflation thru the control of the volume of funds
23:55 WolfGoethe my concern is how do we evolve bitcoin
23:55 mircea_popescu so then. the price tanked temporarily because the usg tried, and failed, to kill it.
23:56 mircea_popescu and we don't anything.
23:56 WolfGoethe we need to close the circle
23:56 mircea_popescu you're not even in the wot.
23:56 TheNewDeal ...crickets...
23:57 WolfGoethe in the wot?
23:57 decimation I suspect by "evolve bitcon" you mean "increase the usd price"
23:57 mircea_popescu hence the invitaiton to read a lot more.
23:57 WolfGoethe the usd price is irrelevant
23:58 WolfGoethe the goal is to evolve bitcoin by making the usd irrelvent
23:58 WolfGoethe once bitcoin "closes the circle" then it shall be a true competitor to the usd
23:58 WolfGoethe this is what they fear most as is evident by the case of the 13 colonies
23:58 decimation k.
23:59 WolfGoethe here is a decent presentation on this concept - http://blog.easybitz.com/2014/10/05/closing-the-circle/
23:59 assbot Closing the Circle | EasyBitz Blog
23:59 asciilifeform 'If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit!'
23:59 decimation lol
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