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00:02 asciilifeform http://atomictoasters.com/2014/06/q%C2%B3-sfsiwi-edition/#more-31867 << unrelated
00:02 assbot Q: SFSIWI Edition : Atomic Toasters
00:03 decimation lol looks like a good way to lose a finger
00:06 decimation btw here's the guy who likely wrote the bash bug: http://tiswww.case.edu/php/chet/
00:07 asciilifeform -and- 'readline' !?
00:07 decimation hehe lock away your women
00:08 decimation 'gnu software': parsers written by derps who can't write parsers
00:15 decimation asciilifeform: what kind of bell must be rung to convince people that 'reviewing' the monstrous pile of C code (on the C-machine) modern software uses is not just difficult - it's impossible
00:16 * asciilifeform tried.
00:16 asciilifeform what kind of bell must be rung to wake the dead?
00:16 asciilifeform or at least to reanimate 'vegetables' ?
00:17 decimation I've been reading derpage in the media about how much money amazon & google make of the wintel/linux stack and how little they obviously look at the details of what they are building
00:18 decimation inevitably there's going to be some usg 'dept of c-machine hygiene'
00:20 asciilifeform that'd be... microshit.
00:20 decimation the vegetable analogy is incomplete - the 'vegetable' could get up and walk, or at least move its fingers, at any time
00:21 decimation patient chooses to wallow in its vegetableness instead
00:21 asciilifeform the semiconductor folks could decide to produce non-braindamaged circuits also at any time.
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00:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 211 @ 0.12399059 = 26.162 BTC [-] {14}
00:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 21 @ 0.12117142 = 2.5446 BTC [-] {3}
00:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 1091 @ 0.00410419 = 4.4777 BTC [-] {8}
00:50 ben_vulpes novelty, ohio
00:50 ben_vulpes my sides
00:50 ben_vulpes chetty: you wrote bash bug?!
00:51 ben_vulpes :P
00:51 ben_vulpes <mircea_popescu> for one thing, you can't really shower with one. << gold necklace?
00:54 The20YearIRCloud Novelty?
00:55 ben_vulpes mthreat: i creamed myself over the l39
00:56 ben_vulpes but this pauper's gotta think smaller, like a 47: http://www.the47.com/
00:57 ben_vulpes The20YearIRCloud: http://tiswww.case.edu/php/chet/
00:57 ben_vulpes ;;gettrust themediator
00:57 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user themediator: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=themediator | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=themediator | Rated since: never
00:57 The20YearIRCloud and who's chet?
00:58 ben_vulpes well do some reading
00:59 ben_vulpes grepping logs for the link in question will illuminate much
00:59 ben_vulpes decimation: saauce?
01:01 mthreat ben_vulpes: I had assumed the l-39 went for around $1M, but they actually go for $175k up to $500k depending on avionics, refurbishing, etc
01:02 mthreat ben_vulpes: but operating cost... burns up to 160 gallons per hour. i think jet fuel is $5/gallon.
01:03 mthreat actually it probably burns more than 160gallons/hour at full throttle
01:03 mthreat http://www.warbirdalley.com/articles/l39pr.htm
01:03 assbot Warbird Alley: L-39 Albatros Pilot Report
01:03 ben_vulpes ;;calc 160*5
01:03 gribble 800
01:03 mthreat YEP
01:03 mthreat oops
01:04 dub thats a lot cheaper than your avg superyacht
01:05 The20YearIRCloud mthreat - they're not expensive birds
01:05 The20YearIRCloud I saw one that sold for something along the lines of $250k in full military gear
01:05 The20YearIRCloud err wait, not the l39
01:05 mthreat top speed about 500 mph
01:05 The20YearIRCloud I'm thinking A-37 dragonfly
01:05 The20YearIRCloud (One of my more favorite aircraft)
01:06 ben_vulpes wait mph and aircraft
01:06 ben_vulpes my tiny retarded brain just assploded
01:07 The20YearIRCloud Some americans use mph, especially dealing with ww2 era aircraft
01:07 mthreat mach 0.8
01:20 ben_vulpes might actually get somewhere for a grand in that thing
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02:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.00074524 = 18.2211 BTC [-] {4}
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04:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.12223078 = 1.589 BTC [+] {3}
04:14 cazalla don't go chasing buterin waterfalls.. (this one might be a tsunami)
04:21 penguirker New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/breakout-gaming-release-bro-coin-details/
04:28 Bet placed: 10 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 83(Y):17(N) by coin, 67(Y):33(N) by weight. Total bet: 25.48725376 BTC. Current weight: 32,634.
04:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 49 @ 0.01036353 = 0.5078 BTC [-]
04:38 cazalla 150k + coins traded yet bitcoin days destroyed has not budged
04:41 punkman ;;ticker
04:41 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 316.0, Best ask: 316.43, Bid-ask spread: 0.43000, Last trade: 316.44, 24 hour volume: 33120.41662483, 24 hour low: 315.01, 24 hour high: 354.75, 24 hour vwap: 335.779786497
04:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01036083 = 0.518 BTC [-] {3}
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05:09 Bet placed: 5 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 86(Y):14(N) by coin, 71(Y):29(N) by weight. Total bet: 30.48725376 BTC. Current weight: 32,599.
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05:29 Bet placed: 10 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 29(Y):71(N) by coin, 47(Y):53(N) by weight. Total bet: 3827.19563163 BTC. Current weight: 39,533.
05:37 Apocalyptic <cazalla> [10:38:13] 150k + coins traded yet bitcoin days destroyed has not budged // may be explained by the fact that it's almost all shorts if you're referring to bitfinex
05:47 thickasthieves yeagh it cant go much lomger
05:47 thickasthieves it can go much deeper though
05:51 Apocalyptic you're still short tat ?
05:51 thickasthieves yep
05:51 thickasthieves been covering slowly on way down
05:52 thickasthieves it was so fukn hard holding shorts in 330s
05:52 thickasthieves but i'm learning
05:52 thickasthieves to regulate my trigger finger
05:52 Apocalyptic heh, I know that feeling
05:54 thickasthieves i'm trying to figure out the current total btc swaps out on bfxdata.com
05:54 thickasthieves but anything i see is hours old
05:56 thickasthieves yet the USD swap data is current
05:58 Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 86(Y):14(N) by coin, 72(Y):28(N) by weight. Total bet: 31.98725376 BTC. Current weight: 32,557.
05:59 Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "BTC Difficulty over 41Bn before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1050/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 38(Y):62(N) by weight. Total bet: 26.15235445 BTC. Current weight: 22,119.
06:04 thickasthieves also note there are like $20m in margin longs on bfx
06:05 thickasthieves would be more fun to see them choked out
06:05 Apocalyptic that's decent
06:05 jurov http://shortlogic.tumblr.com/post/99014759324/reddits-crappy-ultimatum << reddit is soon history
06:05 assbot Short logic (Reddits crappy ultimatum to remote workers and offices)
06:09 thickasthieves i wonder if bfx is throttling swap data on purpose
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06:46 Bet placed: 4 BTC for No on "BTC Difficulty over 41Bn before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1050/ Odds: 19(Y):81(N) by coin, 35(Y):65(N) by weight. Total bet: 30.15235445 BTC. Current weight: 21,915.
06:50 thickasthieves ;;estimate
06:50 gribble Next difficulty estimate | 34759474311.6 based on data since last change | 37121113125.0 based on data for last three days
06:50 thickasthieves ;;bcstats
06:50 gribble Current Blocks: 323941 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 634 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 20 hours, 13 minutes, and 5 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 34759474311.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.28287
06:50 thickasthieves looks like it's turning back up
06:50 Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 87(Y):13(N) by coin, 73(Y):27(N) by weight. Total bet: 33.98725376 BTC. Current weight: 32,513.
06:51 thickasthieves time to test 300
06:52 punkman ;;ticker
06:52 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 307.71, Best ask: 307.77, Bid-ask spread: 0.06000, Last trade: 307.77, 24 hour volume: 34788.90694890, 24 hour low: 307.11, 24 hour high: 353.87, 24 hour vwap: 333.475147624
07:00 thickasthieves btce at 299
07:00 thickasthieves here comes the despair!
07:02 Bet placed: 4 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 89(Y):11(N) by coin, 76(Y):24(N) by weight. Total bet: 37.98725376 BTC. Current weight: 32,503.
07:02 cazalla ooh, just in time whoever that was
07:04 Bet placed: 7 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 90(Y):10(N) by coin, 79(Y):21(N) by weight. Total bet: 44.98725376 BTC. Current weight: 32,501.
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07:24 Bet placed: 3 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 92(Y):8(N) by coin, 81(Y):19(N) by weight. Total bet: 51.38725376 BTC. Current weight: 32,484.
07:24 Bet placed: 1.9 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 92(Y):8(N) by coin, 81(Y):19(N) by weight. Total bet: 51.38725376 BTC. Current weight: 32,484.
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07:40 Bet placed: 5 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 92(Y):8(N) by coin, 82(Y):18(N) by weight. Total bet: 56.38725376 BTC. Current weight: 32,471.
07:45 thickasthieves livin on the edge
07:54 kakobrekla muh
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08:37 decimation ;;ticker
08:37 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 307.28, Best ask: 307.98, Bid-ask spread: 0.70000, Last trade: 307.98, 24 hour volume: 38748.62497416, 24 hour low: 301.0, 24 hour high: 351.17, 24 hour vwap: 328.963391846
08:40 decimation ben_vulpes: saauce for what?
08:49 decimation asciilifeform: there is an amusing side story to that little two-wheeled bot - it's called the 'recon scout'. Turns out that it was made for the us military, who don't give a shit about civilian usg frequency allocation rules. When they wanted to sell it in the us, they had to get a special note from Stalin because it was actually operating ... in the middle of the ham band: http://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-allows-robotic-device-in-
08:49 decimation amateur-band
08:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.13899672 = 0.695 BTC [+] {4}
08:49 decimation hams were pissed, asked fcc to reconsider - fcc reconsidered and said "yeah you can operate your bot in the ham band"
08:50 decimation Later they opted to operate more bots in the ham band: http://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-denies-arrl-em-petition-em-to-deny-reconrobotics-licenses-but-limits-devices-to-100-khz-bandwidt
08:50 assbot FCC Denies ARRL Petition to Deny ReconRobotics Licenses, But Limits Devices to 100 kHz Bandwidth
08:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44144 @ 0.0007494 = 33.0815 BTC [+] {4}
09:00 decimation more bots http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/navy-guided-unmanned-patrol-boats-make-debut-25972159
09:00 assbot Navy: Self-Guided Unmanned Patrol Boats Make Debut - ABC News
09:10 dub neat
09:15 dub was pondering a personal defense bot a few years ago, like a smart shuriken you can deploy a bunch of when under attack form ninjas and zombies
09:16 dub and system where an airliner falling out of teh sky ejects its passengers to be individually caught by bot swarm
09:16 decimation dub: lol
09:17 decimation if one would go to the trouble of engineering an ejection system, why not add a parachute for each seat?
09:18 dub or encase them in a protective foam/substance
09:18 jurov ;;seen davout
09:18 gribble davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 3 hours, 50 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <davout> oui et toi-même ?
09:20 jurov ;;later tell davout you really don't need help with x.eur MM bot? i don't even remmeber when there were any asks
09:20 gribble The operation succeeded.
09:20 jurov !d x.eur
09:21 jurov $depth m x.eur
09:21 empyex jurov: [X.EUR] Bids: 1875 @ 0.00120000 2000 @ 0.00100000
09:21 empyex jurov: [X.EUR] Asks:
09:24 jurov i feel like no one is looking to mpex and nobody notices stuff anymore
09:26 jurov why?
09:28 jurov i'm then reluctant to invest time and effort into improving coinbr, too
09:29 thickasthieves because mpex isnt providing anything people want to play with intraday
09:30 jurov havecock does?
09:31 thickasthieves not in any way significant to people with money
09:32 thickasthieves hl just has the mining thing, AM holdouts, and RENT IPOz
09:32 jurov ikr. but it at leas it does not have such desolate looking order books
09:32 thickasthieves mpex investors dont like taking losses
09:32 thickasthieves :)
09:34 thickasthieves would love if mpex or an mpex property offered any sort of price instrument that would allow moving volume from other exchanges
09:34 thickasthieves itd also be nice if the pricing werent abstracted in some fukt way that i need a spreadsheet just to know values
09:35 pankkake jurov: 0.00020000 * 44`166 for F.MPIF, isn't it a market maker opportunity?
09:35 thickasthieves jurov has limits on him
09:35 thickasthieves can only trade in 1% or sumth
09:35 jurov no
09:35 jurov !mpif
09:35 assbot BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021861 B (Total: 478.05 B). Delta: -2.17 B. I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly.
09:36 jurov ;;calc 0.00021861/1.01
09:36 gribble 0.000216445544554
09:36 jurov ;;calc 0.00021861*1.01
09:36 gribble 0.0002207961
09:36 jurov i shall trade outside of this
09:36 pankkake isn't it well outside?
09:37 jurov oh i see
09:38 jurov but i want a bit bigger margin
09:40 jurov don't want to end up with whole position on F.MPIF side
09:40 pankkake here is 0.000195.
09:41 assbot [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 26200 @ 0.00019809 = 5.19 BTC {3}
09:41 jurov oh they're liquidating as i'm writing...lemme see
09:46 assbot [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 17966 @ 0.000195 = 3.5034 BTC [-]
09:46 jurov done. i'll now prolly pester mircea about buyback
09:51 mats_cd03 ;;ticker
09:51 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 312.4, Best ask: 312.96, Bid-ask spread: 0.56000, Last trade: 313.39, 24 hour volume: 38702.20084884, 24 hour low: 301.0, 24 hour high: 350.0, 24 hour vwap: 328.371621193
09:51 mats_cd03 it rises
09:52 thickasthieves not for long
09:52 thickasthieves although.. https://www.bitstamp.net/market/order_book/
09:52 thickasthieves nice walls
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10:10 thickasthieves http://recode.net/2014/10/04/nfl-bans-beats-headphones-on-camera/
10:10 assbot NFL Bans Beats Headphones On Camera (Updated) | Re/code
10:10 thickasthieves this, after the league made a deal with Bose
10:11 thickasthieves they
10:13 mircea_popescu %d
10:13 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 305176.15 in 536 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.75
10:15 thickasthieves 5000btc wall at 300$, someone really doesnt wanna lose the bitbet
10:16 mircea_popescu !up jdany
10:16 mircea_popescu lol
10:16 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
10:16 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 313.82, Best ask: 314.08, Bid-ask spread: 0.26000, Last trade: 314.07, 24 hour volume: 39060.58237394, 24 hour low: 301.0, 24 hour high: 350.0, 24 hour vwap: 326.651978774
10:16 thickasthieves hey jdany
10:17 mircea_popescu the risk when one tries to artificially depress a security is that he'll end up selling most of his load at the lowest price and then have to repay the borrow at the high price.
10:17 thickasthieves jdany messaged me on bitcointalk asking why i left, i explained there was no reason to stay and that here is better
10:17 mircea_popescu it's how the cornering of the silver market worked
10:17 mircea_popescu thickasthieves ah i see
10:17 mircea_popescu !up jdany_
10:17 mircea_popescu welcome.
10:18 mircea_popescu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Thursday << this being the tardpedia discussion on the topic.
10:18 assbot Silver Thursday - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
10:19 mircea_popescu i will take it very personally if the actual financial collapse of the us is brought about by a manic attempt to chase losses in their failed attempts to maninpulate the btc price.
10:20 jdany_ Hey!
10:20 jdany_ Thanks Tat
10:23 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
10:23 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 313.01, Best ask: 314.61, Bid-ask spread: 1.60000, Last trade: 314.61, 24 hour volume: 38969.08891951, 24 hour low: 301.0, 24 hour high: 350.0, 24 hour vwap: 326.626642982
10:23 mircea_popescu a .5% spread heh.
10:24 jdany_ I was wondering where some of the more active names were going...
10:24 mircea_popescu so now you found it.
10:24 mircea_popescu the log should provide ample reading material to catch up.
10:25 mircea_popescu also there's a dedicated search function
10:25 mircea_popescu !s tardstalk
10:25 assbot 30 results for 'tardstalk' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=tardstalk
10:25 mircea_popescu can be used in pm with assbot as well.
10:25 jdany_ Yep. So, do you guys stay active in Havelock - or are there other securities that I don't have exposure to
10:26 thickasthieves none of us use havelock anymore really
10:26 thickasthieves and the only securities woth consideration are probably on mpex
10:26 mircea_popescu i think The20YearIRCloud uses it
10:26 thickasthieves oh yeha
10:26 thickasthieves RENT might be legit
10:26 jdany_ Sour on Asicminer?
10:26 thickasthieves although he did just lose a bunch of fiat for his fiat business
10:27 thickasthieves me?
10:27 thickasthieves i was sour for a long time on AM
10:27 jdany_ I was speaking generally
10:27 thickasthieves board didnt seem capable of fixing so i left
10:27 jdany_ but, I assume you got shafted at some point with AM
10:28 thickasthieves depends what you mean? did i sell all shares at absolute top, no?
10:28 thickasthieves no.
10:28 thickasthieves did i get skimmed for 90 or so shares lost in transfers, yes
10:29 mats_cd03 ouch
10:29 The20YearIRCloud HASH is doing well too
10:29 jdany_ Everything with you happened very abruptly.
10:29 mircea_popescu their retarded "we'll issue shares, but on glbse ; we'll keep the shares, but on our own ah-doc registry" was perhaps the most braindamaged piece of financial management ever displayed to the public.
10:30 mircea_popescu it marginally beats even the wall street derps doing gauss copulae on excel spreadsheets
10:30 mats_cd03 http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/10/peter-thiel-wants-to-make-hackers-into-heroes.html lol
10:30 assbot Peter Thiel Wants to Make Hackers Into Heroes -- NYMag
10:30 jdany_ I figured you get fed up, dumped and bailed
10:30 thickasthieves mp yeha it got to a point where there were too many unique open cases and balancing the transfer books was impossible
10:30 mircea_popescu "Name a science fiction movie in the last 25 years that shows technology in a positive light,” says Peter Thiel << anything made in asia ?
10:30 dub tbh 'they' have continue to display a good level of brain damage
10:31 The20YearIRCloud The matrix
10:31 The20YearIRCloud It showed technology in a positive light, humans were finally unable to destroy gaia
10:31 jurov transcendence or how it was called was rather positive about tech
10:31 thickasthieves jdany_ leaving AM (and all bitcoin securities dealings) was something that took a few mos to prep and execute
10:32 mircea_popescu matrix ? nah. the us anti-intellectualism fully at work : technology as the magic of the evil, desocialised, psychopathic dr evil.
10:32 thickasthieves Neo dying just expedited it
10:32 mircea_popescu "Tall and thin with close-cropped hair and ageless skin" what the motherfucking shit is wrong with these people.
10:32 mircea_popescu who thinks anyone cares to hear about how thiel's skin is ?!
10:33 mircea_popescu who reads nymag, nysexaddicts ?!
10:34 mircea_popescu is this some sort of braindamged feminism run amok where they imagine that if they "microagress" the patriarchy by discussing thiel as if he were some made-to-fuck-once-and-discard popstarlet something's gonna happen ?
10:34 mircea_popescu i mean, something other than chuckles at their expense ?
10:39 mats_cd03 elite worship is common
10:40 mircea_popescu not in female terms.
10:41 mircea_popescu his skin could be hellraiser's for all the difference it'd make to his life.
10:41 mircea_popescu because he's not a woman.
10:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00074602 = 25.3647 BTC [-] {2}
10:44 kakobrekla <mircea_popescu> the risk when one tries to artificially depress a security is that he'll end up selling most of his load at the lowest price and then have to repay the borrow at the high price. < way easier to default
10:45 mircea_popescu if they end up defaulting because misjudged their strength and got head bit off by bitcoin i'll have the most satisfying wank conceivable by man
10:45 mircea_popescu i'll prolly have a special lotion designed for the experience.
10:46 kakobrekla meh such default has zero weight
10:48 kakobrekla (would love to be wrong here)
10:48 mircea_popescu ohohohoho notrly. while the abject selfdebasing of the highschool priss is exactly of zero practical weight, as there are more pleasant girls and better trained, so one'd never seriously use her for a direct purpose,
10:49 mircea_popescu nevertheless in amusement terms it's quite something.
10:49 mircea_popescu all meta, kako. all meta.
10:50 TheNewDeal ;;market buy 10000
10:50 gribble Bitstamp | A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 3875629.8332 USD and would take the last price up to 491.5800 USD, resulting in an average price of 387.5630 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0915 seconds
10:50 TheNewDeal not bad
10:50 The20YearIRCloud dang
10:53 jurov what can usg default on? does it have any bitcoin-denominated debt yet?
10:54 mircea_popescu yes.
10:54 mircea_popescu the beauty of it all is that it does.
10:55 jurov what one?
10:55 mircea_popescu what one ?!
11:00 jurov who borrowed btc to them?
11:01 thickasthieves <+mircea_popescu> his skin could be hellraiser's for all the difference it'd make to his life. /// maybe the guy just had particularly distracting skin, probly not, but ive seen such before
11:01 jurov *lent
11:01 TheNewDeal jurov china, then they banned it ;)
11:02 jurov not sure if serious..link?
11:02 mircea_popescu jurov i am serious, it is not public knowledge either.
11:02 thickasthieves i'm just waiting for bitcoin to ban china
11:03 mircea_popescu you know, just like the $ amt someone paid for their supposed stash is not public knowledge.
11:03 mircea_popescu thickasthieves ain't happening.
11:03 mircea_popescu and wh ywould it ?
11:03 thickasthieves mostly joking
11:04 thickasthieves but i do worry for people using their exchanges
11:04 mircea_popescu eh, they're chinese
11:04 mircea_popescu they're used to being scammed.
11:04 thickasthieves i guess exchange worry is universal
11:05 * jurov digests the information
11:05 thickasthieves diff is spiking now
11:05 thickasthieves we got trolled
11:05 thickasthieves ;;estimate
11:05 gribble Next difficulty estimate | 34976843352.0 based on data since last change | 37790971411.8 based on data for last three days
11:07 TheNewDeal ;;nethash
11:07 gribble 270522438.341
11:18 The20YearIRCloud Well this is nice, i didn't realize the controller for my kids quadcopter was a 2.4ghz device. It jams our home's wifi signal
11:18 kakobrekla try switching channels
11:19 The20YearIRCloud the router i believe switches channels automatically when there's a signal blocking it, i think the helicopter thing is just so leaky that it prevents the wifi sinal
11:19 The20YearIRCloud Granted it's an easy fix - don't fly the helicopter inside
11:20 TheNewDeal 2.4gz doesnt penetrate walls?
11:21 TheNewDeal I was going to say, tell him to fly it by your least favorite neighbor
11:23 mircea_popescu hm this shouldn't really be possible, surprised they allowed the import
11:23 The20YearIRCloud It does,but when we fly it outside there isn't any wifi interuption it sems
11:23 The20YearIRCloud FCC doesn't actively monitor small devices
11:23 mircea_popescu they still gotta get a cert to be allowed to import it.
11:24 mircea_popescu i guess someone somewhere be rubberstampin'.
11:25 TheNewDeal can I bring this on an airplane and fuck with people?
11:25 TheNewDeal or is that asking for trouble
11:31 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal not really in your best interest. if you manage to mess with the plane's comms you might even crash it
11:31 mats_cd03 you're unlikely to get caught
11:32 mircea_popescu yes well sometimes success is its own punishment.
11:32 mircea_popescu justusranvier hey, can i get you to contribute an article to qntra ?
11:36 mircea_popescu ;;seen wywialm
11:36 gribble wywialm was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 20 hours, 43 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <wywialm> Oh, yeah. In this we certainly agree
11:37 mircea_popescu ;;later tell wywialm say when you're about.
11:37 gribble The operation succeeded.
11:37 mircea_popescu ;;seen princessnell
11:37 gribble princessnell was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 0 hours, 46 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <princessnell> hey gang
11:37 mircea_popescu ;;later tell princessnell say when you're about.
11:37 gribble The operation succeeded.
11:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: -and- 'readline' !? << lulzy huh
11:47 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: chetty: you wrote bash bug?! <<< she'd better not have lol
11:49 mircea_popescu but anyway, chet.ramey@case.edu aka 64EA74AB duly recorded.
11:51 mircea_popescu mthreat: ben_vulpes: I had assumed the l-39 went for around $1M, but they actually go for $175k up to $500k depending on avionics, refurbishing, etc <<< the opcost is the bigger problem there
11:51 mircea_popescu a, right, your next line :)
11:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6774 @ 0.00074611 = 5.0541 BTC [+]
11:52 mats_cd03 heh
11:52 TheNewDeal ;;ticker
11:52 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 282.0, Best ask: 284.94, Bid-ask spread: 2.94000, Last trade: 284.94, 24 hour volume: 48575.62049890, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 346.75, 24 hour vwap: 320.382021226
11:52 mircea_popescu cazalla: 150k + coins traded yet bitcoin days destroyed has not budged << lulzy.
11:56 mircea_popescu decimation: Later they opted to operate more bots in the ham band <<< seems a reasonable solution, really. emergency ham band requisition. what'd you have them do ?
11:57 kakobrekla 30k btc ask @ 300 on stamp O_o
11:57 mircea_popescu dub: and system where an airliner falling out of teh sky ejects its passengers to be individually caught by bot swarm <<< from what i recall this is actually under commercial development.
11:58 mircea_popescu jurov: i feel like no one is looking to mpex and nobody notices stuff anymore << no, i noticed, left the guy a later tell.
11:58 TheNewDeal damn 30k?
11:59 TheNewDeal I would love to see some people take a few chomps at that
11:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 4.80694984 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 418 satoshi per share
12:00 kakobrekla ;;market buy 10000
12:00 gribble Bitstamp | A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 2998710.2763 USD and would take the last price up to 300.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 299.8710 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 33.2073 seconds
12:01 mircea_popescu thickasthieves: would love if mpex or an mpex property offered any sort of price instrument that would allow moving volume from other exchanges << specifically ?
12:01 kakobrekla ;;market buy 30000
12:01 gribble Bitstamp | A market order to buy 30000 bitcoins right now would take 9007328.7238 USD and would take the last price up to 323.3100 USD, resulting in an average price of 300.2443 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 50.2833 seconds
12:01 mircea_popescu whoa pankkake is back ?!
12:01 mircea_popescu where you been yo.
12:02 mircea_popescu jurov: don't want to end up with whole position on F.MPIF side << why not ? i'll just unwind it. the latest report actually says so, didja read it ?
12:02 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
12:02 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 291.15, Best ask: 292.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.85000, Last trade: 292.0, 24 hour volume: 49356.65947835, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 346.75, 24 hour vwap: 318.060741075
12:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.11972744 BTC to 15`436 shares, 7254 satoshi per share
12:04 TheNewDeal very surprised litecoin isn't taking an accelerated nosedive
12:05 mircea_popescu what holders remain are well shaken out.
12:05 mircea_popescu not so in bitcoin. getting rid of the tardstalk/reddit/etc "community" and burning a bunch of "experts" is a fucking godsend, if they'll just stfu about it and move on to their next cool thing that'd be great.
12:07 TheNewDeal Can't wait to see how quickly tim drapers coins get munched on bitstamp
12:08 mircea_popescu !up R7R7
12:09 danielpbarron https://twitter.com/brianchoffman/status/518794820178169857
12:09 assbot /openbazaar How migrate from beta 1 to beta 2 ?
12:09 TomServo ;;bc,stats
12:09 gribble Current Blocks: 323984 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 591 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 5 hours, 56 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35100796468.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.26761
12:15 TheNewDeal Krugman trying to drive a few pageviews http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/10/04/the-long-cryptocon/?_php=true&_type=blogs&pagewanted=all&_r=0
12:18 mircea_popescu lmao
12:24 ben_vulpes decimation: for the headbash author
12:25 mircea_popescu !up knite
12:27 PeterL mircea_popescu: have you found anything interesting to do with the huge amounts of cash held by MPIF?
12:27 mircea_popescu yeah.
12:28 PeterL should be a report out soon?
12:28 mircea_popescu HODL!!!1
12:28 Bet created: "Bitcoin to drop under $260 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1054/
12:35 ben_vulpes ;;ticker
12:35 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 284.0, Best ask: 284.24, Bid-ask spread: 0.24000, Last trade: 284.0, 24 hour volume: 50063.36157078, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 346.75, 24 hour vwap: 315.736945727
12:37 Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $260 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1054/ Odds: 95(Y):5(N) by coin, 95(Y):5(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,925.
12:40 TheNewDeal and as quickly as the wall appeared, its gone
12:41 asciilifeform ham band requisition << this works both ways, you know.
12:41 asciilifeform and ham transmitter is typically far louder than that pocket-sized remote (see police film)
12:42 asciilifeform so surveillance bot, turns out, is cured with easy pill...
12:45 TheNewDeal is huobi volume considered legitimate, or were they included on the bucket-shop scam list?
12:47 The20YearIRCloud RENT's october dividend keeps looking better and better
12:47 kakobrekla ^^
12:49 kakobrekla whats next, up ninjaspamgun?
12:52 TheNewDeal i've heard he's got a new entrepreneurship
12:55 kakobrekla jurov 'singing' bash wasnt a typo :)
12:56 jurov ohmy. remove me from the bash admin before i make bigger mess
12:57 kakobrekla lol its fine
12:57 kakobrekla its prolly not a good idea that all the filtering is left up to me
12:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what i mean is : if you had a stash of 1mn units using x hardcoded band,
12:59 mircea_popescu wouldn't you think it more expedient to relocate some random sporadic ham stuff ?
12:59 mircea_popescu cheaper.
12:59 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal no data atm.
13:00 jurov mircea_popescu: withdrawals pls
13:02 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/the-usg-wasted-another-hundred-million-dollars-it-previously-stole-from-average-hard-working-us-citizens-nobody-cares/ << silkroad bet resolved and other considerations
13:02 assbot The USG wasted another hundred million dollars it previously stole from average, hard working US citizens. Nobody cares. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
13:03 mircea_popescu jurov on it.
13:05 TheNewDeal alas, resolution
13:06 * kakobrekla opens an umbrella and prepares for shitstorm
13:11 bounce ham bands work best when they're the same world-wide. also, ham operators are remarkably useful in SHTF situations, and otherwise are very little bother since they tend to know their stuff. so no, it's neither smart nor expedient to try and relocate them. much easier to not be assholes and play nice from the start.
13:12 mircea_popescu aha
13:13 * mircea_popescu knows little bout haming.
13:13 mircea_popescu but yes, the worldwide problem is the silver bullet here.
13:21 penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-usg-wasted-another-hundred-million-dollars-it-previously-stole-from-average-hard-working-us-citizens-nobody-cares/
13:32 mircea_popescu $s
13:32 mircea_popescu $conference
13:32 empyex mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 6 months and 12 days. Estimated cost today: 4.23973791 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )
13:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00074495 = 1.1547 BTC [-]
13:33 TheNewDeal price isn't pegged in bitcoin?
13:35 mircea_popescu nope. gives people an oppporunity to have fun
13:37 Dimsler lol
13:37 Dimsler begged in bitcoin
13:37 Dimsler should be able to make this
13:37 Dimsler argeninta in the spring is gorgeous
13:38 mircea_popescu its pretty great all year through
13:44 TheNewDeal pretty humid it looks like? https://weatherspark.com/averages/33323/Buenos-Aires-Capital-Federal-Argentina
13:44 assbot Average Weather For Buenos Aires, Argentina - WeatherSpark
13:45 mircea_popescu i think about half of that comes in the form of extremely intense rain
13:45 bounce http://gulfnews.com/news/region/iran/daesh-document-disclose-plans-to-seize-iran-s-nuclear-secrets-1.1394455 -- too bad it doesn't tell why they think putin would go along with what they want
13:45 assbot Daesh document disclose plans to seize Irans nuclear secrets | GulfNews.com
13:45 mircea_popescu which you know...
13:45 mircea_popescu !up Guest46405
13:46 mircea_popescu bounce putin doesn't understand how the world works.
13:46 Apocalyptic he understood how Russia worked though
13:47 bounce he doesn't? I see him make much better decisions (from his perspective) than either the EU or the US (from their respective perspectives)
13:47 mircea_popescu Apocalyptic it's a reference to this idiotic comment by some us derp or other
13:47 mircea_popescu ;;google "putin doesn't understand how the world works"
13:47 gribble Russian View: Why Putin Is Not Impressed | Wolf Street: <http://wolfstreet.com/2014/07/21/russian-point-of-view-new-sanctions-wont-impress-putin/>; Why America doesn't understand Putin - The Washington Post: <http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-america-doesnt-understand-putin/2014/03/14/81bc1cd6-a9f4-11e3-b61e-8051b8b52d06_story.html>; Has Putin pulled military back from (1 more message)
13:47 Apocalyptic oh
13:47 mircea_popescu o look at that. the derp in question was obama
13:47 mircea_popescu whodda guessed.
13:48 mircea_popescu you know who understands how the world works ? obama lmao. putin doesn't.
13:48 mircea_popescu every single time they've met in the field the russian feed the kenyan's ass to him, but hey.
13:48 mircea_popescu why let facts and scores get in the way of things. besides, scoring is raycist
13:53 TheNewDeal ;;ticker
13:53 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 295.51, Best ask: 296.12, Bid-ask spread: 0.61000, Last trade: 295.5, 24 hour volume: 49890.61529527, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 342.15, 24 hour vwap: 313.35706663
13:59 danielpbarron one of the OpenBazaar guys said he'd send someone in here; that's what the tweet I linked to was about
13:59 danielpbarron they are trying to make some sort of decentralized reputation system
14:03 danielpbarron heard about them on freetalklive, a radio show I am beginning to suspect is run by government plants
14:03 Dimsler lol
14:06 mircea_popescu danielpbarron cool.
14:07 mircea_popescu heh that 260 dollar btc bet guy's gonna be pretty pissed
14:07 TheNewDeal I have a feeling that sub 300 is going to feel like a dream in about 1 week
14:18 Dimsler lol
14:18 Dimsler like the jackolantern market peaks in mid november
14:21 danielpbarron ;;rate ninjashogun 1 http://danielpbarron.com/ninjashogun.log.txt
14:21 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user ninjashogun has changed from -1 to 1.
14:22 hanbot mircea_popescu re your latest, didja read the comments on that krugman abortion? no wonder he's all bitter and loath to detail, guy's own readergroup is throwing tomatoes by now.
14:25 jurov danielpbarron did he brie you?
14:25 jurov *bribe
14:25 jurov otherwise i don't see there anything upworthy
14:28 mircea_popescu hanbot that's actually interesting huh.
14:29 mircea_popescu guy works as a stupid sifter that's not really dragging up that much stupid.
14:29 mircea_popescu jurov bribe like, with money ?!
14:30 jurov in that log it is not said how
14:31 jurov maybe ninja gives good bjs, whatcha know
14:31 hanbot mircea_popescu it's like he's become his own LCD
14:31 kakobrekla <mircea_popescu> jurov bribe like, with money ?! < with the coins he got from daniel in the first place
14:32 mircea_popescu i gotta say btw, the pipe is like... the greatest invention ever.
14:32 mircea_popescu i dunno how one is supposed to have an os without a pipe. ipads, winboxes, the whole shebang. how ?
14:35 hanbot you use an h2o| and stop caring about getting anything done?
14:36 jurov install an app for every little thing you want to do. oh and pay for the privilege.
14:37 kakobrekla see now
14:37 kakobrekla http://dpaste.com/3B6Z890.txt
14:37 danielpbarron jurov, my rating doesn't grant voice at the moment
14:37 kakobrekla what have you done!
14:37 TheNewDeal he's pestering me as well
14:38 mircea_popescu kakobrekla you hafta add a jukebox to assbot.
14:38 mircea_popescu guy puts 1 bitcent in, gets a !up from assbot.
14:38 mircea_popescu anyone in chan can still !down of course.
14:38 asciilifeform TheNewDeal: learn to use your killfile. i did - when first met with mr. spam.
14:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: recall, i suggested this.
14:38 asciilifeform (with higher price, if i recall)
14:38 mircea_popescu yup
14:39 mircea_popescu ideally it'd work on the powers of two. first time a week, 1 bitcent, then 2 4 8 etc
14:39 mircea_popescu resets weekly
14:39 jurov that would work better if voice could be resold
14:40 jurov like btc gem :)
14:40 mircea_popescu roflmao
14:40 mircea_popescu one ponzi at a time plz.
14:40 mircea_popescu "it is unclear if bitcoin has any economic value", says nobel prize laureate.
14:40 TheNewDeal what a troll
14:40 mircea_popescu because totally, the fact that we can actually do the above now is not economical or valuable.
14:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: usg wasted another hundred million... << if they can't power the waterfall with debt, they'll power it with plundered btc (as being done now, at least as suggested by the publicly known facts.)
14:43 mircea_popescu yes, but the plundering has a larger cost to them than to us.
14:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i can't even imagine who would be dumb enough to lend btc to usg, considering the gold obligations affair
14:43 mircea_popescu because they have to keep selling us the proceeds of their selftheft below market.
14:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform everyone accounting in dollars.
14:44 decimation re: ham bands << the point is that the 'law' already gave those frequencies to the hams, except when it would inconvenience a company to redesign the product
14:44 mircea_popescu it's actually a better deal in dollars than to hold on btc.
14:44 decimation although if you read the fine print, the police bot is technical secondary to the ham
14:44 asciilifeform when usg sets off a bomb in iraqanistan, the metal, trotyl, guidance circuits - are also 'sold' and 'below market' also.
14:44 mircea_popescu as the obligation to repay btc held on the usg is actually going to increase somewhat faster than the btc itself
14:44 decimation so it would actually be legal to blast it off the air
14:44 asciilifeform do they give a damn?
14:44 mircea_popescu but there's no bomb here.
14:44 asciilifeform decimation: i pointed this out earlier, yes
14:45 mircea_popescu when they give the tanks to isis, they give them.
14:45 mircea_popescu that's the model.
14:45 * asciilifeform gets it
14:45 asciilifeform and i suspect usg also gets it. they're banking on just one hope, killing btc somehow through stampede
14:46 mircea_popescu it's one of those win-win/lose-lose scenarios. basically they're cutting their herds to drown us in blood
14:46 mircea_popescu easier to sit on a ledge than to replace the cattle.
14:47 mircea_popescu i doubt hte usg gets anything at this point. just a lengthy succession of narrow "experts" who keep passing data cross a "telephone wire", while the meanings of the terms used change on every pass.
14:48 decimation it would be interesting to try to trace the btc in the sr stash
14:48 asciilifeform decimation: it was washed in the most elementary way
14:48 TheNewDeal I looked up the stashes today
14:48 asciilifeform decimation: i.e. traded for a slightly smaller quantity of 'clean'
14:48 asciilifeform decimation: in meatspace.
14:49 decimation heh the treasury dept. using otc?
14:49 bounce apparently it was mr. reid who thought putin doesn't understand how the world works: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2014-03-27/html/CREC-2014-03-27-pt1-PgS1781-6.htm
14:49 assbot Congressional Record, Volume 160 Issue 49 (Thursday, March 27, 2014)
14:50 decimation well, someone is 'renting' all those miners for over the expected return
14:50 decimation there's alot of btc that wants to be washed
14:50 mircea_popescu bounce oh was it ?
14:50 mircea_popescu tyvm for doing the digging.
14:52 decimation personally I find it far more likely that some big bank/'investment house' is doing usg's bidding in exchange for future favors from usg
14:53 mircea_popescu that's the allegation.
14:53 mircea_popescu hence "agents"
14:53 asciilifeform in what way are these folks meaningfully separate entities from usg?
14:53 decimation yes, usg is still responsible.
14:53 decimation many in the us are easily confused on this point
14:54 decimation they think they bank with some local bank, not the fed/fdic/whatever
14:54 mircea_popescu qui facit per alium facit per se and all that.
14:54 TheNewDeal all the biggest banks are in bed with the fed anyways
14:55 decimation TheNewDeal: that's the point, thus the usg is responsible for their actions, as mp just wrote
14:55 bounce pffft. they /are/ the fed. it's not actually an usg institution.
14:55 mircea_popescu in a sense, thinking about it... the usg problems come down to a poor implementation of the pipe.
14:55 mircea_popescu that thing's a lot more fundamental than usually given credit for
14:55 decimation 'the pipe'?
14:55 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the pipe - is everything. (hence my crackpot pushing of dataflow as replacement for von neumann computation, etc)
14:56 bounce lay down the pipe and open a window. slowly!
14:56 asciilifeform von neumann's basic problem is a terrifically bad implementation of the ordinary pipe concept.
14:56 mircea_popescu decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2014#859729 and by sheer coincidence http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2014#859774
14:56 assbot Logged on 05-10-2014 18:32:30; mircea_popescu: i gotta say btw, the pipe is like... the greatest invention ever.
14:56 assbot Logged on 05-10-2014 18:47:24; mircea_popescu: i doubt hte usg gets anything at this point. just a lengthy succession of narrow "experts" who keep passing data cross a "telephone wire", while the meanings of the terms used change on every pass.
14:56 mircea_popescu these actually merge.
14:56 penguirker New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/10/05/finding-your-life-purpose-isnt-your-path-to-improving-the-world-survival-is/
14:56 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i am starting to comprehend this.
14:57 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: all of my heresies are in fact in one strand. this is how i ended up 'drinking the spittoon.'
14:57 asciilifeform !s the spittoon
14:57 assbot 3 results for 'the spittoon' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=the+spittoon
14:57 mircea_popescu in fact, if you get the pipe right, it doesn't even actually matter if you get anything else right
14:57 asciilifeform yes.
14:57 mircea_popescu in this perspective, the blockchain is the major point of bitcoin
14:58 mircea_popescu which happens to be correct, and peripherally a point i've oft made, say how "bitcoin is not the derps"
14:58 decimation I was thinking about this last night. How can you be certain that your hvac control pipe is not connected to the self-destruct thermite bomb pipe?
14:58 mircea_popescu decimation hm?
14:59 decimation if they are both connected to the same von neumann machine (or network of such machines) you can't be certain
14:59 decimation in the sense that you can check that they are physically unconnected
14:59 decimation with your own eyes
14:59 mircea_popescu i think these live on different abstraction levels
14:59 asciilifeform difficult to work with naked eye on microelectronics.
14:59 asciilifeform of whatever kind.
15:00 decimation it's difficult to inspect the usg/fed's actions with the naked eye
15:01 mircea_popescu depends whose.
15:01 mircea_popescu macro events are visible, and the forest-for-trees problem is something one can approach with training and talent
15:01 mircea_popescu micro events however are invisible.
15:02 decimation I suspect parts of usg/its agents are working against each other
15:04 TheNewDeal ;;ticker
15:04 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 310.08, Best ask: 314.48, Bid-ask spread: 4.40000, Last trade: 314.48, 24 hour volume: 53465.06436516, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 339.43, 24 hour vwap: 308.337573196
15:06 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/1054/bitcoin-to-drop-under-260-before-november/
15:06 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $260 before November :: 1.04 B (95%) on Yes, 0.06 B (5%) on No | closing in 1 week 1 day| weight: 98`674 (100`000 to 1)
15:06 mircea_popescu i guess this is a hot bet now ?
15:07 decimation re: pipes http://rt.com/news/191132-belgium-build-beer-pipe/ "An underground pipeline carrying 5,700 liters of beer an hour will be built in Belgium’s historic city of Bruges. A family-owned brewery will pump beer direct to a bottling plant in the suburbs to cut the number of trucks on ancient cobbled streets."
15:07 mircea_popescu pipes as in beer!
15:07 TheNewDeal so does a new beer just flush out the old?
15:07 TheNewDeal would be interesting to taste the inbetween state
15:07 mircea_popescu i imagine if that thing's in use for a few centuries the bugs living in the pipe will be pretty wow.
15:08 mthreat my friend owns beer.net. maybe it'll be worth more now!
15:08 mircea_popescu as it gives motility a major incentive
15:09 * asciilifeform was greatly surprised to learn that one can buy nitric acid on 'amazon' and similar.
15:09 decimation I suspect they would have to flush the beer pipe regularly
15:09 * asciilifeform thought it was verb0t3n by order of tehFuhrer
15:09 TheNewDeal might find a couple street bums trapped in there too
15:09 joecool asciilifeform: is it eligible for prime delivery?
15:09 asciilifeform nope
15:11 decimation oh noes, terrorists are going to be HNO3 off of amazon to make TNT?
15:11 TheNewDeal maybe some heavy water as well
15:11 asciilifeform TheNewDeal: heavy water comes for free out of your faucet.
15:12 asciilifeform (all you need to do is separate...)
15:13 mircea_popescu well so does nitric acid
15:17 TheNewDeal http://dpaste.com/1RG8SQP
15:17 assbot dpaste: 1RG8SQP: spamgun, by tnd
15:17 asciilifeform lulz
15:20 pete_dushenski https://twitter.com/AliTahmizian/status/518840043616878592
15:20 assbot GRAPHIC: Islamic State fighter w/ head of female Kurdish fighter after entering Kobani. US strikes did 0 to halt them http://t.co/IfdbZEXpkZ
15:20 asciilifeform lol, usa uniform!
15:21 mircea_popescu gotta say i lub the kurdish chicks
15:22 mircea_popescu i'd be very curious to see first hand if the us based, usg fed "feminists" in the us would actually pick a rifle and a picket, when it comes to it.
15:22 mircea_popescu at the rate things are going, this curiosity looks likely to be satisfied.
15:24 asciilifeform how many will afford pointy stick, much less rifle.
15:24 asciilifeform or is the hypothetical one involving a 20th c. style army, which equips paupers ?
15:26 mircea_popescu kurdistan is in the 20th century now ?
15:26 asciilifeform re: usa
15:27 mircea_popescu bitches better be resourceful, what is this $1200 a month retainer talk ?
15:28 asciilifeform http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Gentoo_Without_systemd << unrelated but very useful
15:28 assbot Gentoo Without systemd - Gentoo Wiki
15:29 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: i will take it very personally if the actual financial collapse of the us is brought about by a manic attempt to chase losses in their failed attempts to maninpulate the btc price. << lol! those causes.
15:30 mircea_popescu myeah.
15:30 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
15:30 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 309.11, Best ask: 309.4, Bid-ask spread: 0.29000, Last trade: 308.83, 24 hour volume: 55108.92934427, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 339.43, 24 hour vwap: 308.259223839
15:30 mircea_popescu aww.
15:30 mircea_popescu ;;google but thanks for all the fishes
15:30 gribble So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/So_Long,_and_Thanks_for_All_the_Fish>; So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish Quotes by Douglas Adams: <https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/3078120-so-long-and-thanks-for-all-the-fish>; So Long and Thanks for all the Fish - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojydNb3Lrrs>
15:37 decimation asciilifeform: thanks for that gentoo -systemd tip. it would be handy to make a systemd-free linux box
15:38 pete_dushenski ;;nethash
15:38 gribble 279970409.457
15:38 pete_dushenski decent.
15:53 pete_dushenski https://twitter.com/sassenvanelsloo/status/518831715062910976
15:53 assbot Capitalism does not work? Well.... http://t.co/LmBncfiu9t
15:54 Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $260 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1054/ Odds: 50(Y):50(N) by coin, 50(Y):50(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.1 BTC. Current weight: 98,278.
15:54 pete_dushenski and with that, i'm off to enjoy the last of this beautiful weather!
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16:11 TheNewDeal another wall, eh
16:20 Dimsler will you stop with the play by play market updates
16:20 TheNewDeal will do
16:27 decimation ;;ticker
16:27 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 307.69, Best ask: 308.92, Bid-ask spread: 1.23000, Last trade: 308.69, 24 hour volume: 56551.21451831, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 339.43, 24 hour vwap: 307.191985978
16:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00074411 = 22.3233 BTC [-] {2}
16:40 decimation ben_vulpes: saauce is easy to find, here's one http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/when-the-bourne-shell-found-its-identity.html
16:40 assbot An Interview With Chet Ramey – Maintainer Of Bash Shell - nixCraft
16:40 decimation http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/26/technology/security-experts-expect-shellshock-software-bug-to-be-significant.html "Mr. Ramey said in an interview on Thursday that he believed he inadvertently introduced Shellshock in a new Bash feature in 1992, though he could not be sure because back then he was not keeping comprehensive logs. "
16:40 assbot Log In - The New York Times
16:49 decimation he has a blog too http://chetramey.blogspot.com/ "An outspoken progressive in a conservative community."
16:49 assbot Ramblings
16:50 decimation note to young 'progressive' 'open source' coders: you have swallowed the kool-aid. If you actually want to make a difference and not end up like Mr. Ramey, please focus on the pipes, from the silicon up.
16:54 Shakespeare <+mircea_popescu> thickasthieves: would love if mpex or an mpex property offered any sort of price instrument that would allow moving volume from other exchanges << specifically ? /// well, i'll start with the moon: just buy bitfinex and offer the whole shebang! otherwise, just would be nice to trade somewhere more private, transparent and trustworthy. The product could be options,
16:54 Shakespeare futures, and margin and leverage would be nice too.
16:56 Shakespeare yay on the SR auction bet resolution!
17:00 Shakespeare i knew a ham radio enthusiast, he's a free mason now
17:01 los_pantalones Shakespeare what kind of size would you trade?
17:01 los_pantalones if you had those facilities ?
17:01 TheNewDeal size of option?
17:01 decimation Shakespeare: ham radio has its share of whackos
17:02 los_pantalones how many btc / day
17:04 Shakespeare <+mircea_popescu> guy puts 1 bitcent in, gets a !up from assbot. // might be on to something there
17:04 Shakespeare i bet it attracts more chatters than not
17:05 Shakespeare good way to offset the chill factor from !up
17:07 kakobrekla 1 satoshi per char for all so everyone will shut the fuck up!
17:08 bounce hmno. initially I'd say as long as it isn't the only way. but you'd get peddlers expecting to be heard for their money. you know, query floods, rageddos, etc.
17:11 Shakespeare so we !down them
17:11 Shakespeare every !down puts 10satoshi debt on their wot
17:12 Shakespeare 3 !downs and your get assbot negrate
17:12 bounce think about it. suppose you're neither l1 or l2, and you stick money in it. you start your valuable because costly pitch. then someone puts the !down on you.
17:12 kakobrekla uppers dont have wot
17:12 Shakespeare yes they do
17:12 Shakespeare thats also a requirment
17:12 Shakespeare to self up
17:13 Shakespeare the satoshi getsthem the posrate
17:13 mircea_popescu buy bitfinex ?! no ty.
17:13 mircea_popescu i wouldn't take it for free, as it happens.
17:13 Shakespeare also, i'm not saying we'd have to change
17:13 Shakespeare we could still up people whenever we want
17:13 bounce you're fired up because you want to pitch, and you get rebuffed. gone investment, gone good monies! rage! and it goes downhill from there. -- there's an implied promise with this idea that I'm not happy with.
17:14 Shakespeare mp, at least that gives you an idea of where i stand though
17:14 Shakespeare i know you wouldnt buy them
17:14 mircea_popescu uh... you stand on bitfinex ? lol k, so you buy it.
17:14 Shakespeare but i'm saying plz replace them
17:14 mircea_popescu what else should i replace ?
17:14 dub holy wall
17:14 Shakespeare everything that suz
17:14 Shakespeare x
17:14 bounce what, a retail exchange?
17:14 mircea_popescu maybe i should replace obama, but in such a way as to make the usg work the way you want it to ?
17:14 Shakespeare it's your job!
17:14 mircea_popescu things work the way they work.
17:14 decimation yeah do that
17:15 mircea_popescu change so that's the way you want them to work.
17:15 mircea_popescu i ain't helping you.
17:15 Shakespeare tss
17:15 bounce then replace obamaman for the social justice angle
17:15 Shakespeare i aint asking for the world, you used to offer option after all
17:15 kakobrekla draper wall
17:16 Shakespeare options&
17:16 mircea_popescu mpex options never worked as this popularly delusional "engine to turn derpage into monyz/social relevance"
17:16 Shakespeare sry i'm not sober, went to my first football game
17:16 mircea_popescu that a bunch of sites promise to do this has everything to do with the promising and nothing to do with the delivering.
17:16 mircea_popescu that the derps in question will take something that "maybe" will deliver them the impossible, rather than something that makes it plain it ain't happening is entirely their problem.
17:17 Shakespeare what are you on about? how is trading BTC against USD about social relevance and derpage?
17:17 mircea_popescu im not in the business of making sites which "maybe" will make random joe blow rich.
17:17 mircea_popescu bitfinex is not trading anything.
17:17 Shakespeare i'm not talking about bfx
17:17 mircea_popescu then im confused.
17:17 Shakespeare the premise here was wishing mpex had a way to trade against USD
17:18 Shakespeare so i wouldnt have to play where i play
17:18 mircea_popescu serious problems with usd delivery.
17:18 kakobrekla you can trade otc with optional delivery
17:18 mircea_popescu unfortunately.
17:19 los_pantalones hence my inquiry into how much you would trade?
17:20 TheNewDeal how about bitbet?
17:20 bounce what, options on bitbet outcomes?
17:20 Shakespeare well that's private los_pantalones
17:21 TheNewDeal no. options on bitstamp prices, etc
17:21 Shakespeare i shouldnt have to say
17:21 los_pantalones it's not worth my time if it would be <100 / week
17:21 mircea_popescu o.O
17:21 kakobrekla i have in the past dumped coins to sturles and left fiat waiting with him for some months before i decided to repurchase/get fiat
17:21 los_pantalones but otherwise i can offer you those facilities
17:21 mircea_popescu Shakespeare dude you're something else. "o someone should build a car with wings" "Would you buy one if built ?" "i shouldn't have to say"
17:22 mircea_popescu you're spending too much time with redditards.
17:22 Shakespeare well in mpex i didnt have to sat
17:22 Shakespeare i paid entry fee
17:22 Shakespeare that was my qualification
17:22 decimation !t m x.eur
17:22 assbot [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.0026347 / 0.0026347 / 0.0026347 (459 shares, 1.21 BTC)
17:22 mircea_popescu los_pantalones so charge the man an entry fee.
17:22 los_pantalones how much is mpex these days ?
17:23 mircea_popescu still 30.
17:23 TheNewDeal basically what an option is, an adequately priced entry fee
17:23 mircea_popescu decimation oddly the fully delivered euro future never got very much volumne, historically.
17:23 kakobrekla euro market is dead
17:23 mircea_popescu i dunno if the requirements to take delivery were too cumbersome or wtf exactly.
17:23 decimation seems like euros are good enough for anyone wanting to trade fiat
17:25 mircea_popescu but anyway, yeah, i guess the bitbet bets are probably the cheapest/most open avenue at the moment.
17:25 decimation obviously the dude is unfamiliar with engineering stuff. it's quite customary to ask for development costs up front, on the assumption that several will be bought
17:25 justusranvier mircea_popescu: What's gntra?
17:26 mircea_popescu justusranvier qntra. http://qntra.net/
17:26 assbot Qntra.net - The #1 Bitcoin Site For News, Views & Commentary
17:26 mircea_popescu this maybe coindesk killer.
17:26 kakobrekla cuntra?
17:27 mircea_popescu pretty much
17:27 Shakespeare the qntra blaw should be called uuddlrlrbastart
17:27 mircea_popescu "It would be interesting, that is, to ask Coulter about the reflex of lying that’s now sutured into the modern conservative movement’s DNA—and to get her candid assessment of why conservative leaders treat their constituents like suckers."
17:27 Shakespeare blawg*
17:28 mircea_popescu http://www.thebaffler.com/salvos/the-long-con << dude the libtard periphery press is awesome
17:28 assbot The Long Con - The Baffler
17:28 justusranvier I have a long backlog of articles I want to write
17:28 decimation maybe they can sign up Mr. Ramey as a guest author
17:29 mircea_popescu justusranvier so hammer one out an' send it over.
17:29 justusranvier I mostly do editorials, not news
17:30 TheNewDeal drapers trying his damndest to get his coin back http://bitbet.us/bet/1054/bitcoin-to-drop-under-260-before-november/#b3
17:30 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $260 before November :: 1.04 B (50%) on Yes, 1.06 B (50%) on No | closing in 1 week 1 day| weight: 97`477 (100`000 to 1)
17:30 mircea_popescu justusranvier that was the idea, give it a little editorial anchor
17:30 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal seems bout even neh ?
17:32 decimation I find it hilarious that the lefties in the us keep raising the fear that 'evil republicans will raise money to buy elections' while failing to notice that the lefties receive 'in-kind' contributions from us media worth $bns
17:32 TheNewDeal draper put down 1 on yes, trying to recoup with wall
17:33 mircea_popescu decimation that is not accountable!!!1
17:33 justusranvier I'll see what I can do. Won't be tonight because I've got to go producea couple videos
17:33 decimation yeah basically it's 'oh noes they might manipulate the masses like we do!'
17:33 mircea_popescu but anyway, the entire "thief screaming thief" and "consumate liar discussing other's dna-sutured bla bla" is rather amusing
17:34 mircea_popescu justusranvier doesn't have to be tonight. wait, you produce video too ?!
17:34 justusranvier We've started to publish talks from our Bitcoin meetups to YouTube
17:35 justusranvier by "produce" I mean I set up the Hangout on Air
17:35 justusranvier Tonight is bitstien giving a #bitcoin-otc and GPG contracts tutorial, followed by yamamushi demoing his "filesharing over bitmessage" app
17:35 mircea_popescu aha
17:36 decimation apparently nixcon actually considered denying the "RF broadcast licenses" of political enemies: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/373218/following-trail-nixon-blazed-victor-davis-hanson -- last time I heard someone slightly right-wing come up with a winning strategy
17:36 assbot Following the Trail Nixon Blazed | National Review Online
17:36 decimation nixcon is a hilarious typo
17:37 justusranvier tomorrow is the daniel krawisz reviewing Nick Szebo's "Shelling Out" as a money origin theory
17:38 Shakespeare no complaints about the SR bet resolution it seems
17:38 mircea_popescu decimation there's an entire conspiracy theory built on the premise that it was really because of the rf thing that the "left" "set him up"
17:38 Shakespeare though coindesk is SEOing http://bitbet.us/bet/951/silk-road-coin-auction-extravaganza/#c4105
17:38 assbot BitBet - Silk Road Coin Auction Extravaganza :: 2.15 B (29%) on Yes, 5.3 B (71%) on No | closed 3 months 1 week ago
17:39 mircea_popescu much like the more aged libtards today are rewriting the story of clinton's lauhgable gullibiility/idiocy in terms of "hysteria"
17:39 decimation they certainly had means, motive and opportunity
17:39 mircea_popescu because yea, totally, not being able to tell the nation to go fuck itself and mind its own business on live tv is everyone else's fault but the president's.
17:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.14639999 = 1.0248 BTC [+] {3}
17:39 mircea_popescu !up veox
17:40 decimation heh yeah, the biggest weakness of the presidency is an inability to admit that it sucks
17:43 Shakespeare so, would a huge ask order like this be allowed in US markets, or do they have rules about it?
17:43 bounce apparently darpa doesn't want just model checking, rather executable encryption that is not encryption: http://www.networkworld.com/article/2691617/ https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&id=a303af332a90b1e84fdb91d7dd382396
17:43 assbot DARPA delving into the black art of super secure software obfuscation | Network World
17:43 assbot Opportunities - Federal Business Opportunities: Opportunities
17:43 decimation you can't even move more than $10k in the us without usg permission
17:44 Shakespeare well on stock exchanges you certainly can
17:44 decimation sure, inside the account
17:44 Shakespeare i'm just wondering if they have rules about manipulative orders
17:44 TheNewDeal just try to get your hands on it
17:44 bounce without inviting them to sue you on the spot, you mean. you don't get permission, you incriminate yourself and they may or may not persecute you for it.
17:44 decimation try moving $50k from your brokerage to your checking account in less than a few days
17:45 Shakespeare i moved $30k a few weeks ago, they just made me respond to a message
17:45 decimation it's true you can move it quickly with a wire
17:45 decimation but I guarantee a notice went to the bank's regulator
17:45 mircea_popescu Shakespeare the rule is you can't put up orders you don't intend to go through.
17:45 TheNewDeal the question is interesting though. What would the rules be on creating a wall that wasnt executed
17:46 mircea_popescu other than that, you can put up whatever walls you wish.
17:46 Shakespeare decimation, no notice is needed, exchange files 1099
17:47 decimation http://www.fincen.gov/news_room/aml_history.html Bank Secrecy Act (1970) Required banks to (1) report cash transactions over $10,000 using the Currency Transaction Report; (2) properly identify persons conducting transactions; and (3) maintain a paper trail by keeping appropriate records of financial transactions
17:47 assbot History of Anti-Money Laundering Laws
17:47 decimation whether a 'wire' counts as cash is up to usg of course
17:48 Shakespeare yeah either way, it's not money you can hide
17:48 Shakespeare exchange reports your income anywya
17:49 Shakespeare i bet coinbase & circle will be this way
17:49 penguirker New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/is-this-3rd-time-lucky-for-andreas-m-antonopoulos/
17:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1000 @ 0.00124361 = 1.2436 BTC [-] {7}
17:49 decimation yeah in general dealing in dollars means dealing with usg
17:49 mircea_popescu no "will" involved.
17:50 decimation usd is the original altcoin, afterall
17:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 500 @ 0.0018875 = 0.9438 BTC [-] {15}
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18:28 cazalla mircea_popescu, no forum posts to report and prob won't be going forward seeing this qntra thing has legs
18:29 mircea_popescu righ
18:29 mircea_popescu t
18:29 mircea_popescu "central to the right-wing appeal for generations: that liberalism is a species of madness"
18:29 mircea_popescu dude they've got it i swear. that's exactly what the problem is with libertards. their preferred ideology is a species of madness.
18:30 mircea_popescu !up blast
18:36 mircea_popescu !up xor-freenet
18:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45813 @ 0.00074302 = 34.04 BTC [-] {3}
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18:58 cazalla well, that guy from ccn responded
18:59 cazalla http://qntra.net/2014/10/cryptocoinsnews-is-anything-but/#comment-4
18:59 assbot CryptoCoinsNews Is Anything But News
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19:24 oglafbot http://oglaf.com/chauncey/
19:24 assbot Chauncey, Earl of Gloom
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19:49 penguirker New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/silk-road-lawyers-challenge-justice-department-leaky-captcha-theory/
19:50 BingoBoingo cazalla: Yeah I was looking for a color that made the hyperlink blue header look good. Solving the Header problem may be more productive than the experiment of cycling all of the background colors
20:03 cazalla BingoBoingo, i think it's ok for the time being tbh
20:04 BingoBoingo Fair
20:14 justusranvier https://twitter.com/TxbtcFrontier/status/518915067757469697
20:14 assbot Starting now: https://t.co/V2sF34oeNG
20:16 cazalla cool, wat ching
20:17 Duffer_ who's the guy talking atm?
20:17 cazalla not sure but he calls mircea_popescu mursaya
20:17 Duffer_ yea hehe
20:18 cazalla lol doge licking its balls on camera
20:19 dignork it's bitstein i'd guess
20:21 TheNewDeal justusranvier who is this
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20:37 justusranvier The last one was bitstien
20:37 justusranvier Now we have yamamushi: https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/cqukfsatq308s00qdhggkp6oegg
20:40 TheNewDeal why isn't this just one stream?
20:43 bitstein TIL how to actually pronounce Mircea.
20:43 TheNewDeal yamamaushi found Satoshi!?!?
20:44 dignork TheNewDeal: no, other dude who invented bitcoin before him
20:44 TheNewDeal is that a joke?
20:46 dignork no, pretty vanilla, Satoshi refered to previous works, hashcash for example, might call it real bitcoin inventor for example :)
20:46 BingoBoingo http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--kATayK5N--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_320/rwi4zk7yyxgya1jpgx4v.jpg
20:49 cazalla !up pyre
20:49 cazalla !up pyre
20:49 TheNewDeal you're right, hashcash was obviously bitcoin
20:50 cazalla pyre, here ya go http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets do it already
20:50 assbot first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
20:54 danielpbarron ;;later tell bitstein you demonstrated gpg on an online machine at a meetup?? with your actual key???
20:55 gribble The operation succeeded.
20:57 BingoBoingo Sad say http://bigstory.ap.org/article/22931ec39fd04b768dbfcc5aab24413b/ousted-haitian-dictator-jean-claude-duvalier-dies
20:57 assbot Ousted Haitian dictator, Jean-Claude Duvalier dies
20:57 dignork danielpbarron: well, it was really low-res, and only a pub-key
20:57 justusranvier The two streams because it means the videos are automagically seperate
20:57 danielpbarron dignork, so?
20:57 justusranvier TheNewDeal: ^
20:59 TheNewDeal Did Al Gore invent the internet?
20:59 dignork ;;gpg info bitstein
20:59 gribble User 'bitstein', with keyid 1EA2662DEB2FEFBE, fingerprint 2CEA814804FCF14D9C1AE8EA1EA2662DEB2FEFBE, and bitcoin address None, registered on Sat May 24 16:06:12 2014, last authed on Sun Oct 5 20:42:25 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=bitstein . Currently not authenticated.
20:59 dignork danielpbarron: if this is his key, it's public anyway ^
21:00 danielpbarron the fact that he'd decrypt a message with his key on an online, os x, machine is already bad -- then he goes on to show others this insecure method to initiates
21:01 danielpbarron -others // it's bad for Bitcoin
21:03 BingoBoingo MSG Shakers at Restaurant tables, 'Murica https://twitter.com/Missionstfood/status/518132336181780480/photo/1
21:03 assbot Authenticity option now available at MCF SF. /davidchang /hashtag/hospitality?src=hash http://t.co/JbYrdnf8x2
21:03 danielpbarron it shouldn't be that difficult to demonstrate an offline setup, which is the experience new users should become accustomed with -- especially the kind of people who already think they are hip to crypto
21:06 danielpbarron wouldn't have taken longer than the unnecessary detour into explaining some localbitcoin thing, which served only to confuse the audience as to how the WoT functions
21:06 BingoBoingo !up jborkl
21:07 TheNewDeal that was quite hilarious
21:07 dignork well, you need two computers for that, or hardware crypto gadget (cardano is not there yet)
21:07 jborkl Rough weekend for the price
21:07 danielpbarron so? is it not possible to do without cardano?
21:08 dignork possible ofcourse, two machines, cumbersome presentation
21:09 danielpbarron well, the presentation is incomplete without such a demonstration
21:09 BingoBoingo jborkl: Well, for someone the next few years are going to be rougher than the price as of late
21:09 BingoBoingo ;;ticker
21:09 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 299.98, Best ask: 299.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 300.0, 24 hour volume: 66795.52283458, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 339.43, 24 hour vwap: 306.021103061
21:10 danielpbarron lest the noobs in the audience go home and actually use their key in such an insecure manner
21:11 dignork danielpbarron: well, most crypto-related presentation i've seen did not include faraday cage, while some would say it was a flaw, I'm just assuming "omitted for clarity"
21:11 danielpbarron for the sake of argument that it is too cumbersome, he stilled used his real key
21:12 xanthyos dude $305
21:12 jborkl Bingoboingo, you think the price will continue sliding? Or nfi
21:12 xanthyos so much for my $360 (10 double chai) prediction
21:13 BingoBoingo jborkl: Well at some point it will stop sliding
21:13 * xanthyos is always left holding the bag
21:13 TheNewDeal I know dimsler won't like this, but the wall has returned
21:13 jborkl Heh true..
21:14 TheNewDeal #wallwatch
21:15 thickasthieves hehe, people are eating the wall
21:16 TheNewDeal love it
21:16 TheNewDeal might have to take a bite
21:16 thickasthieves such angel whale
21:16 dub touch the furry wall
21:16 thickasthieves $300 coins for all!
21:17 TheNewDeal News headline tomorrow "Tim Draper lasted a total of 4 months in the bitcoin-sphere, managing to lose approximately 70% of his original investment"
21:18 dub but he's been into bitcoin since 2000
21:19 mod6 heheh
21:20 thickasthieves btce is above stamp now
21:20 thickasthieves dem pesky 5%s
21:21 TheNewDeal yes I'm curious why the whale is on stamp exclusively
21:21 thickasthieves to be fair there are big wallers everywhere
21:21 thickasthieves stamp might be chosen because no margin
21:21 TheNewDeal no margin ?
21:22 dub stamp is the new gox
21:22 dub its where teh speculation forum is looking
21:22 thickasthieves well on bitfinex you can buy 3.3:1
21:22 TheNewDeal oh I gotcha
21:22 thickasthieves and there are like 10k or so btc shorted that need to be covered there
21:22 xanthyos stroke the furry walls
21:23 TheNewDeal suprised that they didn't just bump it up like 1$ after 5k buys or whatever
21:23 thickasthieves 12,000+ shorts actually
21:23 thickasthieves well the guy has been selling for days
21:23 xanthyos russell brand's going to have to stroke some furry walls hard enough to tear the shag out if he keeps attaching his name to max keiser's cryptocoin
21:23 thickasthieves maybe months
21:24 thickasthieves really all this funkiness started just before the SR auction
21:24 thickasthieves we bubbled in May
21:24 dub I dont think wallguy is a seller
21:24 thickasthieves went flat
21:24 thickasthieves then down down down for mos
21:25 thickasthieves ok ok we sound like reddites now
21:25 thickasthieves fun times tho
21:27 TheNewDeal please do explain dub
21:28 TheNewDeal they're just in the process of eating up coins?
21:29 dub ask reddit
21:31 mircea_popescu <cazalla> well, that guy from ccn responded << which ?
21:31 cazalla mircea_popescu, Kyle Torpey, the one that went on keiser spruiking auroracoin, ethereum etc
21:32 mircea_popescu oh lol
21:32 mircea_popescu how is he "from cnn" again ? i forget.
21:33 mircea_popescu oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/chauncey/ <<< angry owlchick is pretty hawt
21:33 assbot Chauncey, Earl of Gloom
21:33 cazalla ccn as in cryptocoinsnews
21:33 dub you have your irrelevant news outlets transposed
21:33 cazalla ^^
21:35 mircea_popescu wait, wut?
21:37 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal: Did Al Gore invent the internet? << no but if the darpa derps were satoshi-minded they'd probably have referenced some pacific islanders as their inspiration just ot mess with people.
21:38 TheNewDeal :D
21:38 mircea_popescu danielpbarron: -others // it's bad for Bitcoin << i doubt the airgapped bitcoin machine is all that common.
21:38 dub could be why they got the coolest 2ld (co.ck)
21:39 mircea_popescu cu.nt is cooler than di.ck
21:39 mircea_popescu danielpbarron: wouldn't have taken longer than the unnecessary detour into explaining some localbitcoin thing, which served only to confuse the audience as to how the WoT functions << you purist you.
21:40 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal: News headline tomorrow "Tim Draper lasted a total of 4 months in the bitcoin-sphere, managing to lose approximately 70% of his original investment" << i wouldn't be worried about that, he's served the golden toilet empire, he's coming back.
21:41 mircea_popescu shit, romney is still around. why'd draper go away.
21:41 mircea_popescu dub: its where teh speculation forum is looking << this, pretty much.
21:54 dub dat nick
22:05 TheNewDeal ;;ident nezzario
22:05 gribble Nick 'nezzario', with hostmask 'nezZario!~nez@unaffiliated/nezzario', is not identified.
22:14 penguirker New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/american-green-to-continue-bitcoin-vending-machine-rollout/
22:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 165 @ 0.01025554 = 1.6922 BTC [-] {3}
22:30 TheNewDeal ;;nethash
22:30 gribble 280343971.467
22:35 mircea_popescu !up parfait
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22:54 ben_vulpes ;;ticker
22:54 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 299.99, Best ask: 300.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 300.0, 24 hour volume: 69682.98346975, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 339.43, 24 hour vwap: 305.387793681
22:54 ben_vulpes was that 30k ask real life?
22:55 mircea_popescu notrly.
22:55 mircea_popescu our good friends the suckers of america running out.
22:55 mircea_popescu hm maybe i misspelled "the people"
22:56 Dimsler the ask was/is fake
22:56 Dimsler it stopped the sell off
22:56 Dimsler trading penny stock basics
22:56 Dimsler he set the market and waited for a challenger
22:56 mircea_popescu Dimsler the wall was on the sell side.
22:56 Dimsler correct
22:57 Dimsler but its premise could be to market make
22:58 Dimsler http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_maker
22:58 assbot Market maker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
22:59 Dimsler i used to do this on cavritex
22:59 mats_cd03 lol
22:59 Dimsler lol
22:59 mats_cd03 a wiki article
22:59 ben_vulpes i...
23:00 Dimsler right, what else did you want?
23:00 Apocalyptic Dimsler, you're aware that here wikipedia is not particularly regarded as a worthy source of information ?
23:01 Dimsler look
23:01 penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/mpif-fmpif-september-2014-statement/
23:01 Dimsler i usually proof read wikipedia articles before i post them
23:01 * ben_vulpes rotates head 180deg
23:01 mircea_popescu http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/10/06/law-3 << not a bad read, this.
23:01 assbot Three Years on Rikers Without Trial
23:01 mircea_popescu i wonder how many russians and how many chinese citizens are in prison for 3 years without a trial.
23:01 Dimsler is this the black kid that they forgot about?
23:02 Dimsler yeah i know
23:02 mircea_popescu but something tells me that per capita, the us is like the worst human rights offender in africa
23:02 mircea_popescu certainly not part of the first world.
23:02 Dimsler the majority of the five eyes are human rights tramplers
23:03 mircea_popescu <Dimsler> i usually proof read wikipedia articles before i post them << well the notion that market makers are a topic on which wikipedia has something to impart here.... okay :)
23:03 Dimsler its ingrained in the anglo saxon mentality to trample rights
23:03 ben_vulpes ;;gettrust assbot Dimsler
23:03 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask Dimsler!~dimsler@17.254.127.199.client.static.strong-in67.as13926.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Dimsler: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Dimsler | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Dimsler | Rated since: Tue Oct 22 13:51:07 2013
23:03 Dimsler mircea_popescu, i was meerly posting as interest to novice inquirers on market makers
23:03 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i think i'm the guilty party. starting to get on yer nerves ?
23:04 Dimsler not sure what the constant obession
23:04 Dimsler with my wot is
23:04 ben_vulpes it's a constant obsession with everyone's wot, Dimsler.
23:04 ben_vulpes just curious.
23:04 ben_vulpes sides, what do i know, i'm just the court jester
23:06 ben_vulpes all of these social sites - engagement is via the "submit" button.
23:06 Dimsler lol
23:07 mircea_popescu fuck that shit im changing it.
23:07 ben_vulpes i think it's nicely apropos.
23:08 ben_vulpes also deviantart apparently lost their "prev" and "next" buttons.
23:09 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes now trilema says send. pls to check it still worx.
23:09 Dimsler can you change submit to capitulate
23:09 Dimsler thats what most social media should have
23:09 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: looks good
23:10 ben_vulpes oh no way
23:10 ben_vulpes there's some retarded state management
23:10 ben_vulpes navigate to galleries, get to a thing
23:10 ben_vulpes *now* prev/next appears
23:10 ben_vulpes this is an abuse of sessions, i tell you
23:11 Dimsler buttons are archaic
23:11 Dimsler its all about the swype
23:11 Dimsler must swype
23:12 HeySteve hey Dimseler, how do you know it's fake volume?
23:12 ben_vulpes evening, Vexual
23:12 Dimsler well it may very well not be fake volume
23:12 ben_vulpes quit waffling Dimsler
23:12 Dimsler shutup ben_vulpes
23:13 Vexual good evening
23:13 Dimsler theres only one thing guaranteed in life
23:13 Dimsler everything else is speculation
23:13 HeySteve sure. some guy wants out his position, he is saying "this is how much more I have to unload, the pain will continue until it's sold."
23:13 ben_vulpes penny stock basics, it is fake volume, it's not fake volume
23:13 dub thats pretty unlikely
23:13 HeySteve now a larger whale is challenged to buy him out to protect his holdings
23:13 ben_vulpes someone's a market maker, here have a wp link
23:13 Dimsler he basically set the market at 300
23:13 Vexual this is sparta!
23:14 mircea_popescu <ben_vulpes> penny stock basics, it is fake volume, it's not fake volume << just about.
23:14 Dimsler plenty nefarious reasons to hang a large order out
23:14 Dimsler whether its to stop a sell of
23:14 HeySteve right, but it's $9m, I heard mentioned? probably someone has more to lose than $9m. if btc hits single digits, so probably someone will buy that much
23:15 Dimsler he may also have alot of money
23:15 Dimsler on the exchange in fiat
23:15 HeySteve of course, it could be a fake. but markets are an interesting game for this reason
23:15 Dimsler and is buying people coins
23:15 Dimsler that are wanting to sell below $300
23:15 Dimsler at $295 lets say
23:15 dub hey gais, theres a for this buttcointalk.org/adhd oslt
23:15 dub a forum too
23:15 mircea_popescu ^
23:16 ben_vulpes #bitcoin-pricetalk
23:16 Dimsler get the fuck out here
23:16 Dimsler what did you want to talk about?
23:16 mircea_popescu ;;unrate Dimsler
23:16 gribble Successfully removed your rating for Dimsler.
23:16 mircea_popescu !down Dimsler
23:16 ben_vulpes !down Dimsler
23:16 mircea_popescu not doing your reading in a groupo is not an excuse for not having done your reading
23:16 mircea_popescu it's an aggravating circumstance.
23:16 ben_vulpes dunno
23:17 ben_vulpes not penny stocks, Dimsler
23:17 ben_vulpes not price manip
23:17 Dimsler i missed the groupo link somehow
23:17 ben_vulpes kakobrekla: can we do something about this rating lag?
23:17 ben_vulpes and by we i mean you and also please
23:17 HeySteve I'm listening to Antifragile audio book atm. heard it mentioned bitcoin is antifragile, could it be said to be antifragile to price action?
23:17 HeySteve (mentioned in btc circles, that is)
23:17 mircea_popescu dude...
23:17 ben_vulpes the price of bitcoin in whatever fiat whatever matters not one whit
23:18 mircea_popescu this has got to be deliberate.
23:18 Dimsler lol
23:18 TheNewDeal !s heysteve
23:18 assbot 1161 results for 'heysteve' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=heysteve
23:19 ben_vulpes no, the spamgun shartup recruiter is deliberate
23:19 ben_vulpes this is just stochastic bouncing
23:19 mircea_popescu i guess.
23:19 HeySteve ok no pricetalk then
23:19 mircea_popescu HeySteve it's the approach not the topic that grates.
23:20 Dimsler no you're just being an asshole
23:20 mircea_popescu that also, but unrelatedly.
23:21 ben_vulpes yes it is, no it's not, up is down unless the whale is pink
23:21 ben_vulpes walls to the left, but it's a sell day, peg the price, gag me with a fork
23:21 mircea_popescu %d
23:21 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 305626.20 in 519 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.73
23:21 ben_vulpes head and shoulders means a 260 bottom (i'll show you a bottom worth 260), sr, fucking vc's, tim draper
23:22 mircea_popescu that shit sure feels like forever.
23:22 Apocalyptic ^
23:22 Vexual %tslb
23:22 atcbot Time Since Last ATC Block (#45849): 0 hour(s), 13 minutes
23:22 ben_vulpes ;;bcstats
23:22 gribble Current Blocks: 324053 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 522 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 1 hour, 41 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35104507259.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.27831
23:23 HeySteve that's all very well, but bitbets are announced here. they seem like similar propositions, will price go up or down?
23:23 TheNewDeal I usually find an animal, slice in two, read the entrails
23:23 TheNewDeal give's a pretty good prediction
23:23 Dimsler lol thats from south park
23:24 TheNewDeal it's from history
23:24 TheNewDeal they actually did it
23:24 HeySteve the roman augurs and soothsayers, yeah
23:24 Dimsler lol ok yes
23:24 TheNewDeal has there been a SP that referenced bitcoin?
23:25 Dimsler neg
23:25 HeySteve flight of birds, guts of goats, sounds cleaner to specialise in bird flight if that's your thing
23:25 Dimsler only simpsons
23:25 ben_vulpes there are more things in heaven and earth Dimsler than are derped of in south park
23:25 dub dude never read asterix comics?
23:25 mircea_popescu i don't think they have that french pinko commie stuff in the us of a
23:25 Dimsler the south park episodes premise was based on the fall of the roman empire
23:26 Dimsler i am pointing out as modern satire
23:26 HeySteve it's ironic when modern americans address the decline of rome
23:26 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: http://www.powells.com/s?kw=asterix&class= << au contraire
23:26 assbot Search Results - Powell's Books
23:26 mircea_popescu a nm
23:26 thickasthieves <+HeySteve> I'm listening to Antifragile audio book atm. heard it mentioned bitcoin is antifragile, could it be said to be antifragile to price action? /// yep, pretty much everything is good for bitcoin
23:26 ben_vulpes although i never bought 'em, i just took them to the cafe in powells and read them there
23:26 thickasthieves reddit thinks this is a joke
23:27 thickasthieves but its funny cuz its true
23:27 HeySteve sure, the "this is actually good news" meme
23:27 thickasthieves yep, it really is
23:27 thickasthieves they think it's ironic cuz the news' relation to price
23:27 HeySteve well the drop will clean out some of the silliest, so there's that
23:28 thickasthieves what's good for bitcoin isnt always good for price
23:28 thickasthieves i do think this is having a calibrating effect and the seller is doing a service to btc
23:28 TheNewDeal nice little 1200 chunk outta that wall, for those interested of course (dimsler)
23:29 TheNewDeal explain
23:29 thickasthieves i meant it pretty broadly, lots of examples
23:29 Dimsler lol
23:30 thickasthieves the exchange price disceprencies are reset
23:30 Dimsler ofcourse hes doing everyone a favour
23:30 thickasthieves weak hands lost coins
23:30 thickasthieves etc
23:30 thickasthieves and the price will likely spike *after* he's done selling
23:30 thickasthieves such saintliness
23:31 ben_vulpes classic oscillator.
23:31 Dimsler well he basically masks everyones weak hand
23:31 BingoBoingo https://i.imgur.com/XJCZKt6.jpg
23:31 ben_vulpes people model this shit with oscillators, right?
23:31 TheNewDeal loving the bingoboingo art tonight
23:31 thickasthieves lol bingo
23:31 BingoBoingo The20YearIRCloud: Found linked on reddit
23:31 BingoBoingo Not my original work
23:32 The20YearIRCloud heh
23:32 HeySteve that's pretty good
23:34 Dimsler lol reddit
23:34 Dimsler collection of vile scum
23:34 Dimsler http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Bitcoin-Unlocking-Digital-Crypto-Currencies/dp/1449374042
23:34 assbot Mastering Bitcoin: Unlocking Digital Crypto-Currencies: Andreas M. Antonopoulos: 9781449374044: Amazon.com: Books
23:34 Dimsler oh look andreas has a book out now
23:34 ben_vulpes you're late, Dimsler qntra already covered it
23:34 TheNewDeal there was an article that touched on it earlier
23:35 TheNewDeal dimsler https://imgflip.com/i/9iu9z
23:35 assbot Image tagged in lawgs - Imgflip
23:35 ben_vulpes this whole doing your reading thing may be distasteful but it's not optional
23:35 Dimsler oh for fuck sakes
23:35 ben_vulpes it's pretty simple
23:35 ben_vulpes !s antonopolous
23:35 assbot 13 results for 'antonopolous' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=antonopolous
23:35 ben_vulpes also search.bitcoin-assets.com
23:35 TheNewDeal has he ever made an appearance in #ba?
23:36 Dimsler no
23:36 The20YearIRCloud we should have around a 17% dividend this cycle
23:36 Dimsler hes afraid of mircea_popescu killing him
23:36 The20YearIRCloud based on usd/btc prices
23:37 TheNewDeal who is the "we" you're speaking of the20yearircloud ?
23:37 Vexual rent
23:37 The20YearIRCloud rentalstarter
23:37 The20YearIRCloud on havelock
23:37 Vexual annnualizzzzed?
23:37 The20YearIRCloud yes
23:37 The20YearIRCloud based on .005 share price
23:38 Vexual whats that like half pc on the average?
23:39 ben_vulpes <Dimsler> no << how would you know?
23:39 Dimsler well fuck
23:39 Dimsler i've been here since early 2013?
23:39 Dimsler haven't heard anyone mention him ever since mircea_popescu twattered that he was going to kill him
23:40 ben_vulpes > ever
23:40 ben_vulpes > 2013
23:40 ben_vulpes mhm
23:40 Dimsler lol
23:40 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud shouldn't it be based on 0.0075 ?
23:41 The20YearIRCloud on 0075 its around 10%
23:41 ben_vulpes haha
23:41 The20YearIRCloud .005 was our original ipo price
23:41 ben_vulpes yeah how do you calculate a price for RENT
23:41 ben_vulpes it's market until you need more cash then you freeze it
23:41 ben_vulpes "but our investors are cool with it broski!"
23:42 The20YearIRCloud this last one was specifically requested by our largest investor so he could buy shares. I tried to do it outside of havelock but they wouldn't let me
23:42 BingoBoingo Priorities >> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/14/10/05/2124205/linux-317-kernel-released-with-xbox-one-controller-support
23:42 assbot Linux 3.17 Kernel Released With Xbox One Controller Support - Slashdot
23:42 Vexual The20YearIRCloud: When do you expect to start servicing loans?
23:43 The20YearIRCloud we aleady have one loan
23:43 The20YearIRCloud unless youre talking npns
23:43 Vexual are you using the money yet?
23:43 ben_vulpes he couldn't buy shares at market?
23:43 The20YearIRCloud yes\
23:43 The20YearIRCloud no shares at market were going to the company
23:43 The20YearIRCloud and his investment would have increased price to around .02
23:44 ben_vulpes so you fucked everyone else.
23:44 ben_vulpes well done.
23:45 dub its called QE ben_vulpes
23:45 dub it halps ok
23:45 The20YearIRCloud Those wanting to sell below .0075 have been cleared already, and i've made it well known throuh investor communication that we had originally planned on selling more shares at the 2nd round IPO price at some time in the future
23:46 Vexual is labour gonna get more expensive if you grow?
23:46 ben_vulpes how is this any different from printing dollars?
23:46 ben_vulpes or pesos?
23:46 dub no different to mpif
23:47 The20YearIRCloud Vexual: maybe
23:47 Dimsler ben_vulpes, or they could just keep your bitcoins instead
23:47 Dimsler with bots that manipulate the exchange
23:47 The20YearIRCloud not a huge need for more IPOs, the reason for this last one was so the speicfic investor could fund a very specific property that had a good return
23:47 The20YearIRCloud plenty of that already Dimsler
23:48 Dimsler oh ofcourse there is
23:48 ben_vulpes more ipos
23:48 Dimsler lol
23:48 ben_vulpes jesus shit
23:48 dub Dimsler: there is such a thing as putting down the shovel
23:50 The20YearIRCloud my hope was $100k cash + $100k LOC and then set aside the money 50/50 for flips & rental renovations so we'd always have money for a flip, which hasn't been the case since last July
23:50 ben_vulpes i want a "feed me live baby rats" shirt
23:51 ben_vulpes most recent oglaf has inspired peals (i tell you PEALS) of laughter around her
23:51 ben_vulpes here*
23:51 ben_vulpes anyways, night scammers
23:51 Vexual with the latest offering, what btc price kills your growth?
23:52 The20YearIRCloud Really has no effect, but the BTC yield will look crummy at $2500 or more per BTC
23:52 dub ur killing my growth Vexual
23:53 Duffer1 btc skyrockets, us real estate corrects = /wrist?
23:54 Vexual do you get paid in dollars The20YearIRCloud?
23:54 The20YearIRCloud Yield will certanly go down, our equity position overall is pretty great when you factor our average BTC sell price. Big question is when does it correct, how far does the pricing drop? We're still about 20% lower than peaks
23:54 The20YearIRCloud Yeah
23:55 Vexual what did you sell the latest offering @?
23:55 Vexual must have fucked your arerage
23:55 The20YearIRCloud Haven't yet :( , HL has been slow on transfering BTC to us, so there's been some exposure to loss due to the massive decrease in BTC price
23:56 The20YearIRCloud Our average overall will stand at something like $400/btc though, including the original 1,000 BTC we got on BF that was sold when BTC was around $80/btc
23:59 Vexual havelock must be just about operating at a loss now
23:59 The20YearIRCloud i knd of wonder
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