#trilema | 2014-08-31

wow i step out for one hour...

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!up Curious_George

00:27

Curious_George

sup

00:28

nothing much.

00:30

asciilifeform: kanzure: nah, those're plain old ruins <<< and this you know how ? :D

00:32

The20YearIRCloud: With regards to coins, you only need to avoid the very, very limited types that are assumed to be stolen from the mint << it's only limited for now, and as a reflection of the coins actually physically found so far. as more juicy morcels make the beast salivate, they'll become less limited.

00:33

decimation: yeah back in the early 1900's the whole idea of the 'silver dollar' was the precursor to the modern bezzle << not so clear cut, really. more like a power struggle between west and east.

00:34

mircea_popescu: that's true, in that case the eastern bankers were all in favor of gold (as they didn't envision some gov't bank would be able to print infinite silver)

00:35

amusingly, all the "buitres" scandal in argentina today is exactly reminiscent of midwestern and californian pro-silver aggitation in the 1880s

00:35

specifically, the "foreign interest" was putting forth gold standard to fleece the "hard working" "real" americans.

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asciilifeform: there's always an 'imaginary particle' involved <<< in phairness, this is how physics works all through.

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decimation: okay that makes sense << what he means by provenance being that if you measure in argon and he measures in xenon, it's not directly obvious what the functions look like to verify if you got the same result and quantify the eventual differences.

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decimation: I called up NIST a few weeks ago, asked them how much it would cost to measure the phase noise of an oscillator. They said it would only cost their time, which would come to about $10k! for a morning session <<< in other words, "can only work if you have supply of bezzle dollars", ie, "only with scrip saying it's ok signed by stalin"

00:42

yeah that sounds about right

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asciilifeform: if ussr were alive, perhaps he'd have defected. << a fine example of why the "one world, one fuhrer" delusion of government is unproductive.

00:45

ah look, he says so the next line himself :p

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asciilifeform: (how to know that schwartz (or taleb, or...) collects 'prize' rather than usg stooge with a shannonizer and irc connection - exercise for alert reader.) <<< if you recall something sort-of like that was tried, except this "major prize" approach is flawed as you explain. so, better version was tried :)

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heh "The city voters—especially German Americans—overwhelmingly rejected the free-silver cause out of conviction that it would lead to economic disaster, unemployment, and higher prices. The diversified farmers of the Midwest and East opposed it as well, but the cotton farmers in the South and the wheat farmers in the West were enthusiastic for free silver. " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_silver

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Free silver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

00:56

yet another reason why the germans in the us had to be de-kulaked

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01:38

plain old ruins << re: the ones pictured in linked blog. though surprising quantities of goodies in some.

01:39

better version was tried << gurlz pulsating on camera ?

01:39

or was there another 'try'

01:43

re: provenance & physics thread - anyone unfamiliar with the story of blondlot and 'n-rays' is invited to read about it.

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(for nontechnical types, klotz's 'diamond dealers and feather merchants' has an excellent basic account.)

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'free silver' << the fiat camel's nose in the american tent. not sure how to avoid this conclusion.

01:49

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01:51

I don't know that they can be built << lol, anything that was built, can be built.

01:57

provenance << isn't about the differing principle of the proposed tester. it's about the fact experiment doesn't count if carried out wholly on apparatus constructed by a 'non-disinterested' party

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and will never be replicated on a 'disinterested' apparatus because this means essentially all practicing 'physicists' get blondlot-ed.

02:00

this story concerned more than a quarrel between a weirdo chemist and the whole of usg/nato 'physics'

02:01

it's really a typical death-rattle of the civilization.

02:02

there isn't, as far as i understand, a 'fix'.

02:02

perhaps intelligent roaches or marmosets will carry out 'schwartz's' experiment after we're through.

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asciilifeform: is the death-rattle the gridlock caused by bureaucracy replacing science?

02:03

don't blame the murder on the maggots.

02:03

they just happen to eat corpses, it's in their job description.

02:04

there's not a 'ready-canned' answer for why rome bit it

02:04

why expect one - for us.

02:05

but to attribute death to the graveworms - is a mistake.

02:05

decay from 'rule by men to the bureaucratic state was definitely on the list

02:06

symptom.

02:06

(of what? if we knew, there'd be at least a hypothetical pill.)

02:08

thus far all we know is that civilizations behave like ms-winblows boxes - encrusts with turdolade until grinds to a halt, then reboot.

02:09

what do you assume to be the root cause ascii? (besides societal mental atrophy)

02:09

heh turdolade. yeah I guess the bureaucracy really exploded with Diocletian, but things had already been going badly for at least a hundred years

02:09

RagnarDanneskjol: i don't regard it as a proven fact that there necessarily is a 'root cause.'

02:09

plus the chinese bureaucracy lasted for hundreds of years per reboot cycle

02:10

well there must be some likely culprits

02:10

institutions of every kind decay in well-documented ways.

02:11

one answer: wealth and power sow the seeds of their own destruction, in the avarice and sloth of the new generations

02:11

eventually immune system collapses, the proverbial 'eastern hordes water their horses in the rhine.'

02:13

another answer: when power is passed to the new generation, it tends to be divided rather than concentrated - in the end the franchise is extended to every human and his dog, and no one is really in charge

02:14

mongol hordes appear on the border - giving not one wit about the current power structure - and pillage as they see fit

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asciilifeform i really don't think its as political as all that.

02:15

to stretch the metaphor a bit, sometimes the moribund get a stay of execution, when the horde grows terminally fat before it can reach the capital.

02:15

decimation basically, it was a new immigrant vs old immigrant debate. the old guys had savings and wanted to keep them. the new guys had mortgages and wanted to get rid of them.

02:16

!s harpagon

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2 results for 'harpagon' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=harpagon

02:16

no but srsly, i can see perfectly valid reasons to not trust measurements made by new guys on new tools.

02:16

very.

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for that matter, recall the story of the milikan pious fraud i think it was ?

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this is why the tale should terrify people

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where the original measurement was wildly wrong,

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because it's about death.

02:17

yes, that.

02:17

and the subsequent ones didn't spread out but converged ?

02:17

correct.

02:17

right. this was accidental, not the result of conspiraci, ie, political organising.

02:17

no organization in the usual sense needed.

02:17

forget who - used term 'prospiracy'

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like,

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2014#814531

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Logged on 29-08-2014 05:11:06; decimation: the thing is, Admiral McCain probably didn't have to issue any special instructions to 'finesse' the investigation, the investigators probably all thought it would be a brilliant plan

02:19

<asciilifeform> (of what? if we knew, there'd be at least a hypothetical pill.) << the public appetite for personal humiliation decays, and with it, the possibility of life.

02:19

thing is, nobody cancelled appetite for, e.g, death - 'mortido!'

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but not channelled usefully.

02:20

that seems to me a hollow analogy.

02:20

there really isn't a "counterbalance" to libiod.

02:20

appetite for humiliation, i.e. risk ?

02:20

(something needs to push rocks up in the air, and the space station too. what's needed to push them down ?)

02:21

asciilifeform consider the life and deeds of gabrielle, a buxom blonde girl.

02:21

when she's 16, she runs out of school (for which she risks a reprimand) and hides behind the bleachers to... kiss (for which she risks quite a lot of societal shunning)

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when she's 36 she follows the workplace rules.

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her appetite for humiliation has dwindled.

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appetite - or opportunity.

02:22

she is a "wiser woman" now. happily married now. at her place in life now. well...

02:23

aha empty carapace

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asciilifeform spotted a cicada in garden today, and thought of mircea_popescu's post about parenting

02:24

society in general and civilisation in particular is predicated on making sense of the world, which readily reduces to avoiding being humiliated. this is fine and dandy until it actually works.

02:24

but if you ever wondered why towards the end of an epoch art moves from classical to trollage... well... art is a sort of societal immune system.

02:24

i always use the term 'calmed down' for these people. starting from having played 'half life', where there is a scene of an einsteinesque white coated figure who gets an alien 'headcrab' jump on his head. it takes roots, he struggles for a while, then 'calms down' and ambles on as zombie.

02:25

except the crab doesn't go on the head

02:25

more like, on the cunt.

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lol

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moin.

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http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6738/33213654.183/0_a1ede_331c5f32_L.jpg << i like this one

02:28

lol, still on the trolley even.

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http://www.janesoceania.com/oceania_cult/Cargocultplane.jpg compareand contrast.

02:28

is that a V1?

02:28

there's no distinguishing sufficiently advanced tech from magic, nor sufficiently decayed tech from faith.

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Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0HCR5DM.txt )

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!b 1

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decimation nah, soviet hardware

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http://lana-sator.livejournal.com/209537.html

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, , , ... 18+ - ""

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I think my brain just snowcrashed.

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obligatory:

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'We understand automobiles. There are no homeopathic automobile repair shops, that try to repair your car by putting inﬁnitesimal dilutions of rust in the gas tank. There are no automotive faith healers, who lay their hands on the hood and pray. People reserve such superstitions for things that they don’t understand very well, such as the human body… … Superstitions arise because we don’t understand. I

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f this trend continues, we may soon see homeopathic computer repair. Perhaps it will consist of adding a virus to a program, deleting the virus, and then running the program. You may soon be able to take your laptop to a faith healer, who will lay his hands on the keyboard and pray for the recovery of the operating system. Is this the future of computing? Or can we instead build on the idea that a computer progr

02:31

am is a mathematical object that can be understood through logic?'

02:31

xmj how's that go ?

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-- lamport's 'The Future of Computing: Logic or Biology?'

02:33

mircea_popescu: linked post reveals that rocket is a 'size and mass model' (i.e. dummy.)

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asciilifeform i can attest the faith healing already happens, in those sad sad caves where middle aged women huddle to stroke their collective pretending to be part of civilisation.

02:33

happens also at computer shops, yes

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or perhaps you meant those.

02:34

govt offices, newspaper offices, phone pharms, i seen it everwhere.

02:34

'Внутри более сохранившегося командного пункта разрушения изрядные, а обстановка мрачная - кто-то разодрал аппаратуру и жег кабели прямо на месте, отчего стены и потолки покрыты копотью'

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knew a camwhore who slept with her laptop because the one time she didn't it felt snubbed and wouldn't work right the whole day.

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except I was reading Dijkstra in "structured programming" and he wrote that it was hopeless to try to "prove" practical code. He did suggest that this is a reason for humility and simplicity.

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'in the better-preserved command post the destruction is substantial, and the atmosphere morose - someone tore apart the machinery, and burned the cables right where they lay - from which the walls and ceiling were covered in soot.'

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The20YearIRCloud: i've been off reading physics articles trying to grasp things and lost the conversation << should probably be the motto of b-a

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why burned cables? i can say right now. copper dealer doesn't pay for rubber - only copper.

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obviously thieves yea

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decimation for simplicity at any rate.

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decimation: it is probably terrible to become an object of some fad among elites today << you know, i'm a poststructuralist jus' fine.

02:37

is it evident ?

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decimation: who listened to dijkstra. academics - good joke. programmers - ha.

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reminds me of teufelsberg: http://www.abandonedberlin.com/2010/06/teufelsberg-abandoned-spy-station.html

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Teufelsberg (Abandoned spy station) | Abandoned Berlin

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decimation: yeah that's a good point. I think the money is less important than the relative status, which is less important than just getting people to defer to their betters quickly << no, not quickly. painfully.

02:41

that's the point there.

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the "no pain, no gain" equation holds all sorts of critical, unexpected applications.

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mircea_popescu: slept ~17h tonight. slept most of yesterday... (well, powernaps in IST airport and plane)

02:42

maybe it's the tse tse

02:43

mircea_popescu: hormesis: "it's okay for you (and society)" http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/220309.php

02:43

High Altitude Boosts Longevity And Reduces Risk Of Dying Of Ischemic Heart Disease - Medical News Today

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"In one of the most comprehensive studies of its kind, researchers at the University of Colorado School of Medicine in partnership with the Harvard School of Global Health have found that people living at higher altitudes have a lower chance of dying from ischemic heart disease and tend to live longer than others."

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"experiment" studies people who already did live there. helpful o.O

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in other news, people living in africa get less sunstroke.

02:45

!s married grow taller

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1 results for 'married grow taller' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=married+grow+taller

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"We all act as though we're immortal until we get sick, and then we

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want the cure now! And when we don't get it, we look for a witch to

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blame, because witch-hunting is something the human brain does

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naturally. Certainly it naturally sucks at doing science; much

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unnatural training is required for that. But gossiping and

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witch-finding and crime-solving and conspiracy-theories -- that really

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gets the heart going. I see it has yours going, when the science was

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really boring! Which is to you say, you're a typical human female."

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ouch.

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the typical woman female being ariana huffington.

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interestingly the western states that are bathed in radiation from the sun & uranium from the ground have the lowest cancer rates (yes there are confounders) http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/dcpc/data/state.htm

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CDC - Cancer - Data and Statistics - Cancer Rates by State

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Women.

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http://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/haematique/album/150002/view/663491 << lol at double-stencil

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.

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To me, science comes naturally.

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But then..

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http://www.iancommunity.org/cs/understanding_research/extreme_male_brain

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The "Extreme Male Brain": An Explanation for Autism? | Interactive Autism Network

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we all like to laugh at 'witch hunt' except - we have witches. who you gonna call.

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<xmj> To me, science comes naturally. << know anyone who actually is of this opinion ?

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A great many friends, yes

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all on the autistic spectrum

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well, any of them actual scientists ?

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not aspiring, scientists-in-training, etc.

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most entrepreneurs

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yeah, well, maybe you shouldn't trust that too far then.

02:53

yeah, well, maybe you have no idea what you're talking about :)

02:54

how;s that work ?

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entrepreneurship pays more than research (postgrad) positions

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what it even means, 'it comes naturally'

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for instance, shitting comes naturally

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science comes easy to you according to yourself, some friends that are into business and this is somehow my problem ?

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most people, if well fed, will produce the requisite pile of shit with very little active work on their part.

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you do not get it.

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this means - comes naturally.

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yes, not getting "it" comes naturally to me.

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xmj: so what kind of pile you produce?

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sleep - also comes naturally.

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asciilifeform off to comes naturally

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decimation agrees, follows suit

03:00

note to self, ignore mircea_popescu on most any discussions as unhelpful

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im very helpful according to most people i know! HELPING COMES NATURALLY TO ME

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RagnarDanneskjol wonders why help is expected during the course of normal discussion

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http://topr.online.ucf.edu/index.php/Setting_Discussion_Expectations

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Setting Discussion Expectations - Pedagogical Repository

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https://people.csail.mit.edu/nickolai/papers/vandenhooff-versum.pdf

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(VerSum: Verifiable Computations over Large Public Logs)

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!up RagnarsBitch

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lol moving up in the world.

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cheeky, starting off with my dear :P

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i think someone put "my dear" for "hello" in some sort of 1970s azn manual of english

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it's suspiciously too common.

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britishism

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hot stuff.

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;;ticker

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penguirker

New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/minigame-smg-august-2014-statement/

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dense log. nice.

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stop being unhelpful kako :D

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MolokoDesk +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

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!up MolokoDesk

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http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/08/how-can-you-tell-whether-russia-has.html << mega-lol

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ClubOrlov: How can you tell whether Russia has invaded Ukraine?

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<The20YearIRCloud> And it's hard to judge when that will be, otherwise I do believe our model hedges well against USD collapse, and any major problems << good old belief in the hedge.

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i bet that model has yet to be...modeled.

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ben_vulpes: see also yesterday's discussion of 'hedging' against collapse using buried treasure.

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more like an unkempt bush than any sort of a hedge

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ben_vulpes goes off to come naturally

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asciilifeform re:orlov it's similar as russian police completely ignoring tortures of gays...if they aren't complicit actively, then it isn't massacre?

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if invasion must mean full scale involvement?

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http://www.live5news.com/story/26319685/cops-summerville-high-school-student-arrested-after-writing-threatening-message-on-assignment

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Police, lawyer release statements on student's alleged dinosaur - Live5News.com | Charleston, SC | News, Weather, Sports

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Is there a secret drug in the US water that destroys common sense?

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Apocalyptic

chetty, one might come to think there must be

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it's all that fluoride :P

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don't be naive people, common sense is an euphemism

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http://temp.vasilius.com/ebook/cuckoo_egg.pdf

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2014/08/28/u-s-hikes-fee-to-renounce-citizenship-by-422/

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U.S. Hikes Fee To Renounce Citizenship By 422% - Forbes

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jurov: there was this other state that taxed its citizens who wanted to move out.

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well mostly the jewish citizens, and the tax was almost 100%.

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asciilifeform: state of the art is probably (cloth-based) paper under inert gas. << Seems to be the case. Ink is another concern as well.

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<xmj> well mostly the jewish citizens, and the tax was almost 100%.// this isnt even the taxes (thats more) this is just a processing fee

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yyyyeah

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that's what they said, too

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today i learned that the html date field doesn't support placeholders

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https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zETmzcHDkg8/U_vUCxD0c6I/AAAAAAAAIy8/28PFGYIJ5Pg/s1600/Funniest_Memes_my-friend-who-works-at-a-pharmacy_4250.jpeg

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to js or to not js...

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2-3k usd is chump change for folks who can otherwise afford to escape, though

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gernika

Where is a good place to escape to?

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quite likely a great many escapees were paying more than this just in extraterritorial tax

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gernika: bad question. see earlier discussion of 'usable' machines. no such thing as 'good place' any more than 'usable interface.'

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gernika: it is almost like asking publicly 'what's a good place to bury treasure' (see also earlier discussion of this)

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<asciilifeform> gernika: bad question. see earlier discussion of 'usable' machines. no such thing as 'good place' any more than 'usable interface.'//+++

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it's interesting how people ask questions that have this bizarre presumption of sameness baked in

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no one asks 'what's a good place to buy beer', everyone seems to understand that 'it depends'

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but 'where to escape' - always, they ask.

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if one has more than several hundred thousand US there are more taxes than just the expatriation fee.

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ben_vulpes: afaik, there's a confiscatory asset tax

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nazi-style

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ah, i guess its > 2mil in assets or 157K+ for five years running

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best to own nothing

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easier now than ever.

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ben_vulpes puts the fiat assets in lady v's name

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ben_vulpes intends to escape alone ?

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creating noise

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the fees and taxes have increased a lot in the last ten years, as has the difficulty for us citizens living elsewhere, it will get worse

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ben_vulpes: low leverage on real estate bought at a value has done well in every crash in the US, including the 1930s depression era

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plus it isn't clear that paying the 'legit' fees gets you anything in the long run. who's gonna force usg to honour the cancellations when they decide not to? the devil ?

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i honestly don't even see the point of expatriation

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if the place you fled to is in the habit of letting in u.s. polizei and looks away when they stuff people into a flying gasenwagen for return to gulag - what difference does it make that you paid the ransom? they can always demand a greater ransom, retroactively.

14:29

don't outrun bear, be a less visible target than others

14:29

'course, hanging here doesn't help much with that.

14:30

the point can be any number of things. e.g, getting out of the range of kingdom of aztlan's field artillery.

14:30

(what's that? check back in 20 yrs.)

14:31

better chance of a bank account elsewhere if you are not a us citizen

14:32

until 'citizenship is for life act of 2018' etc.

14:32

(how? only a matter of time when some idiot pays the cancellation fee and then changes his mind - like, famously, lee harvey oswald)

14:33

he sues to have the cancellation voided, and then creates precedent, which will be cemented by legislature

14:33

'save our misguided stray flock abroad!'

14:37

legislature surely will have more interesting things on their hands.

14:37

what could be more interesting than effective dekulakization and deterrence of republikflucht.

14:38

hmm maybe not, they would lose all the fees for renounce ..

14:39

deterrence i get, but chasing those already flown?

14:39

people have asked me why haven't escaped, and i answer 'i haven't $xx mil.' to which, eyes bug out, and i have to explain 'a real escape means retrieval is not simply legally, but militarily uneconomical.'

14:39

legal is pointless ..

14:40

correct. legal is whatever the present-day whim of usg is.

14:41

'escape' means there's a missile battery (or, at the threadbare minimum, 24/7 death squad) standing between usg and you.

14:42

folks could escape from germany in, e.g, 1939 to - usa, which put an ocean and two navies between enemy and their arse

14:43

escaping from usg today to just about anywhere is more like - escaping to poland in '39.

14:45

very few of the 'escapees' seem to fully apprehend the megalomaniacal evil they're running from.

14:46

there is actually a place that named itself 'galts gulch', boy is that hiding :P

14:47

and those escapees who draw their daily bread from a bank account under 'international community' jurisdiction (that being all save possibly chicom & russian) are merely taking a very expensive prolonged vacation.

14:47

which may well come to an abrupt end when a monkey finally receives an order to zero their balance.

14:50

yeah bringing the children home isn{t all that hard, zero the balance and give em a plane ticket

14:50

and they will come home, wagging their tails behind them

14:52

so, formula is: 'don't own. if you own, don't admit it. if you admit it, don't write about it. if you own and admit and write, don't sign your name. if you own, admit, write, and sign name, don't be surprised.' (apologies to rev. t. reese.)

↖ ↖

14:52

(original - 'Do not think. If you think do not speak. If you think and speak do not write. If you think, speak and write do not sign. If you think, speak, write and sign don't be surprised.')

14:54

but 2+2 has always been 5, we have always been at war with oceanana or was that eurasia ..

14:55

doublethink is powerful.

14:58

http://www.darpa.mil/Our_Work/I2O/Programs/Mining_and_Understanding_Software_Enclaves_%28MUSE%29.aspx

14:58

http://oglaf.com/battledress/

Mining and Understanding Software Enclaves (MUSE)

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oglafbot

15:18

Battledress

15:19

'a sparrow flew in the winter, froze and fell down. a cow strolled by. shat out some dung, splat! - and covered sparrow. he warmed up and began to chirp. a cat strolled by, heard chirping, removed sparrow, and ate him. From this tale, three morals: not he is your enemy who plants you down in shit; not he is your friend who removes you from shit; when sitting in shit - shut up, don't chirp.' - soviet folktale.

15:21

Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3YSK2CG.txt )

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!b 1

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saved.

15:28

asciilifeform, first time I heard that one, great!!!

15:28

chetty: it's a classic. from it comes the admonition, often repeated to 'discontented' folks there, 'shut up, sit, don't chirp'

15:29

well that kinda misses the point, but oh well

15:29

instant #b-a classic

15:29

lol

15:38

hi

15:39

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=756955.msg8614004#msg8614004

15:39

[PRE-ORDER] "What is Bitcoin?" silkscreened posters [9/50 left]

15:39

more pictures, only 9 left

15:43

is that a chrysalis at the bottom in the face?

15:47

nubbins`:

15:48

it's a sleeping-bag hammock, the stitching is in the next layer :D

15:53

lol chrysalis

15:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00086073 = 13.2122 BTC [-] {3}

16:04

why a sleeping bag hammock?

16:05

because hammocks are comfortable, and it's snowing on the right side of the page

~ 18 minutes ~

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00086031 = 20.9055 BTC [-]

16:24

http://samsclass.info/125/proj11/LSU-HIPAA.htm

16:24

Illegal Retaliation by LSU for HIPAA Violation Complaint

16:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34714 @ 0.00085538 = 29.6937 BTC [-] {3}

16:35

noice

16:38

midnightmagic +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

16:38

!up midnightmagic

16:38

midnightmagic

doh

16:44

http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/archives/

16:44

Archive | Bingo Blog

16:58

'In Courtroom 478, property owners are instructed to sign in and indicate with a checkmark on the sign-in sheet the kind of property they are there to save. The sign-in sheet lists the following categories of property: "house," "car," "money," or "gun." ... Assistant district attorneys with the Public Nuisance Task Force fully control the proceedings inside "Courtroom" 478. There is no judge, no jury, and not ev

16:58

en a court reporter to transcribe these "public hearings."'

16:58

(loltron, http://cryptome.org/2014/08/phila-da-forfeiture-lawsuit-axisphilly.pdf)

16:59

'Prosecutors routinely continue and relist civil-forfeiture cases and they unilaterally determine whether any documentation provided by the property owner is sufficient.'

17:05

;;bc,stats

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17:07

!up anduck

17:07

Anduck

TheNewDeal: sup

17:07

Hey did you ever do business with usagi

17:08

Was wondering if he is reputable

17:08

Anduck

possibly, possibly you've asked me befor.

17:08

Anduck

i do not know about his businesses really.

17:08

Ahh my bad

17:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00086215 = 5.8626 BTC [+]

17:21

TheNewDeal: is usagi trying to get you to do biz with him?

17:22

Not explicitly. He was bragging off hand

17:22

Trying dig through the wot for some practice

17:22

To*

17:24

Have you had any first person experience with him ben?

17:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00086228 = 15.7366 BTC [+]

17:31

(you can tab-complete my name to ping me, btw TheNewDeal)

17:31

and not personally. i don't do this crazy asset dance - i just build shit and acquire btc.

17:32

nubbins` actually inspired me on the topic, although he still does the numismatic thing

17:34

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20704 @ 0.00086134 = 17.8332 BTC [-]

17:36

let the permanent record permanently reflect that i permanently have no btc though despite all my best efforts to the contrary

17:38

*

asciilifeform barely even knows what btc smells like.

17:40

Bit coin, Where it is registered? can i have a clear picture about Bitcoin?

17:41

Need to find ky own production avenue yet...

17:41

kakobrekla: stop chirping & buy usa taxcoin (tm), terroriste.

17:41

:)

17:45

paupercoin

17:45

ftfm: pa(u)percoin

17:46

;;google paupercoin

17:46

Dave's Cupboard: Lobster Slider Patties: <http://davescupboard.blogspot.com/2011/12/lobster-slider-patties.html>; Dave's Cupboard: December 2011: <http://davescupboard.blogspot.com/2011_12_01_archive.html>; Fictional products don't violate trademark laws - Boing Boing BBS: <http://bbs.boingboing.net/t/fictional-products-dont-violate-trademark-laws/39229>

17:47

lol gribble got completely different stuff than me

17:47

i got http://www.amazon.com/State-Commemorative-Quarters-Collectors-mints/dp/1441312315 as first result

17:47

50 State Commemorative Quarters Collector's Map (includes both mints!): Peter Pauper Press, David Lindroth: 9781441312310: Amazon.com: Books

17:48

gibbles personal search.

17:49

when nobody's looking, gribble eats lobster patties

17:51

but are the quarters GOLD PLATED?

17:51

2 atoms thick

17:53

sry to break the news to you both... you'll have to collect them yourselves :)

17:53

plated or not

17:53

i can buy them from the franklin mint!

17:56

sub-units of the crown made of aluminium, true paupercoins.

17:57

but they were at least usable wherever round object was needed, with optional hole drilled

17:57

<= 5 eurocents are copper plated steel

17:57

will decay quickly if drilled

17:58

most are going to copper/zinc/nickel plated steel

17:58

canada got rid of real nickels in 82

~ 19 minutes ~

18:18

http://www.elementsales.com/ecoins.htm interesting tidbits (asciilifeform: gallium coins too)

18:18

Metallium, Inc: Rare, Exotic Metals and Elements for Sale - Element Coin Series -

18:25

http://postimg.org/image/5mom3xh7x/ << meanwhile the wanna-be romanian msm is google advertising on my name.

18:25

View image: google ads

18:25

le lol.

18:28

ben_vulpes: more like an unkempt bush than any sort of a hedge. * ben_vulpes goes off to come naturally << irl lol.

18:28

(virtually lolling comes easier to anyone)

18:29

jurov: asciilifeform re:orlov it's similar as russian police completely ignoring tortures of gays...if they aren't complicit actively, then it isn't massacre? << this theory is appealing unless one stops to consider they were by this token complicit in the murder of whoever many million "tutsi"s whatever the fuck that may be, happening wherever the fuck that may have happened at some point nobody cared about.

18:30

russian law does not concern the tutsis

18:30

as compared to their own citizens

18:31

yes but the point of contention there would be that according to the russian law, there exists no such thing as a gay russian citizen

18:31

the point of contention was "this is not an invasion"

18:32

law always and everywhere functioning as this device for the construction of a simplified world more or less based on the world as is

18:32

i wouldn't trust orlov much furher than i can throw him tbh.

18:33

and i got carried too far with similes

18:33

"Because if Russia invaded on Thursday morning, this is what the situation on the ground would look like by Saturday afternoon." sounds suspiciously like "i am a potent man, if i had raped her she'd be pregnant. is she pregnant ? no ? well then!"

18:33

guess i should think about sex too when coming up with argument :D

18:34

danielpbarron

mircea_popescu, http://danielpbarron.com/DerpReport/ updated

18:34

Derp Report

18:35

jurov well see, if your simile revolves around sex (and being gay is all about sex innit) then sex is best considered all around. the old "never use an item you don't see the full contours of" engineering caveat.

18:35

!up jdanks

18:37

"Add to that the relentless radio chatter, all in Russian, which anyone who wants to can intercept, and the operation becomes impossible to hide." orly.

18:38

asciilifeform btw, does orlov admit officially to russian military training as a strategist/analyst/whatevs ?

18:51

assbot: U.S. Hikes Fee To Renounce Citizenship By 422% - Forbes << color me the transparent color of surprise.

18:52

mircea_popescu: orlov, at least according to his autobio, grew up in usa from late childhood on, same as i did.

18:53

nah, i'm quite confident he went to school (mid level, nothing fancy).

18:53

sorta the same way you can tell if this pinoy chick learned english with the nuns.

18:54

mircea_popescu: afaik he was an engineering student.

18:54

(where - i'm not certain.)

18:54

no, i mean military school.

18:54

he would be flattered to hear this notion, i'm certain.

18:55

nothing flattering about it, the military (all nations) has yet to have made a decent school. even the stuff they think is good stinks.

18:56

which is quite why the regular beatings delivered to them by people who didn't go to school. engineering - a comparable line of work - doesn't suffer from this plague of "he's a voodoo plumber and well... his plumbing is actually better than ours"

18:57

unless you credit the "here's the secret engineers hate : how a social media employed mom of three from kansas built a fusion reactor in her kitchen!" ads

18:59

*: ben_vulpes puts the fiat assets in lady v's name << you plan on leaving her behind or something ?

18:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8664 @ 0.00085923 = 7.4444 BTC [-]

19:01

ben_vulpes is setting up his wife?

19:01

ben_vulpes: creating noise << here's some noise for you : borrow as much as you can, to buy consumer items, then liquidate everything for cash, buy bitcoins and a plane ticket. wish everyone left behind good luck on your way out, what's an extra 100k they have to pay on your account on top of the 2 trn they have to pay for on bush's account and the 9 to 15 on obama's ?

19:02

!up no_imagination

19:03

he needs a passport first. preferably with rusty staples.

19:03

i thought you can't run away from your debt unless you defect?

19:03

The20YearIRCloud: ben_vulpes: low leverage on real estate bought at a value has done well in every crash in the US, including the 1930s depression era <<< how about twelve oaks ? how well did outright owned property fare in the face of the carpetbagger ?

19:03

chetty told me she still pays US taxes and hasn't been there in like a decade

19:06

<+ben_vulpes> nubbins` actually inspired me on the topic, although he still does the numismatic thing << gotta keep the shinies in circulation

19:06

asciilifeform: plus it isn't clear that paying the 'legit' fees gets you anything in the long run. who's gonna force usg to honour the cancellations when they decide not to? the devil ? << this is the most germane point. i'd rather pay power Y to cancel my citizenship with power X than power X itself.

19:07

a government can only be relied on to enforce an agreement when it's to your detriment, so makingany sort of reflexive agreement with a goverment makes no sense. the only sensible agreements one can make with governments is "how about you two fight".

19:08

^

19:10

asciilifeform: people have asked me why haven't escaped, and i answer 'i haven't $xx mil.' to which, eyes bug out, and i have to explain 'a real escape means retrieval is not simply legally, but militarily uneconomical.' << let me tell you a story.

19:11

well I dont have the fire power to hold off the gasenvagens, yet. So I file my taxes

19:11

i once took a pretty girl off the hands of a better man, strictly for the reason that he was beset by this mental disease of "before x, must y. before y, must z, no less than k" and on it went. i was beset by no such issue and so i fucked the girl before he managed to satisfy the prerequisites to having the town council meeting that'd have decided if it was a good idea to turn over the covers in their marital bed.

19:11

there's a lot of advantages to living dirty, dirt chief among them.

19:12

how the heck can you call that a better man?

19:12

'before x, y' is a professional disease of engineering types. might as well fault a sailor for walking bow-legged on land.

19:13

just saying, no dog died of knowing too many tricks.

19:13

<asciilifeform> 'before x, y' is a professional disease of engineering types. might as well fault a sailor for walking bow-legged on land.// +++++++++

19:13

chetty im being facetious for sort.

19:13

sport*

19:13

and the man who can y without x-ing is called an 'inventor' and has much fun.

19:13

they always think being better men comes naturally to them.

19:14

better belongs right in there with usability and other such nonsense

19:15

"The Usability of Better Men, And Other Such Nonsense". should be a book.

19:15

'the usability of the better man, comes naturally'

19:16

(how much fine derpatronics can be packed into one sentence? contest)

19:16

the natural usability of the better man, or z>y>x

19:16

''

19:16

I WIN :D!!1

19:16

lel

19:16

heh

19:16

"derp sees empty string, proceeds to supply wholly owned derpage, giving me infinity results"

19:16

why did you think pokerface is even a thing.

19:17

if i had raped her she'd be pregnant. is she pregnant ? no << orlov's hypothetical portrait is based on the georgian cleanup

19:17

which went almost exactly as painted in his piece.

19:18

shrem plead guilty

19:18

more like, based on the rather naive expectation that since what he read in books he's seen irl, it must mean the books are wise.

19:18

the people in question have a marked habit of playing 'by the book'

19:19

cazalla

mircea_popescu, posts for the week http://pastebin.com/W5kKqBVQ

19:19

August 31, 2014 1. http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showpost.php?p=16284867& - Pastebin.com

19:20

BingoBoingo http://media.oglaf.com/comic/battledress.jpg << the girl's tong is actually a torture device. even should it be natural silk, make a woman walk in that for an hour and see.

19:20

"the last thing you want is everybody owning large amounts of bitcoins."

19:21

nah, next-to-last. the last thing is everybody flying atomic dirigibles, lasers blasting away.

19:21

why ? sounds like fun.

19:22

lol

19:22

From this tale, three morals: not he is your enemy who plants you down in shit; << if only they taught this, whip in hand, in us schools.

19:22

it'd almost be enough to make me like the place.

19:23

have a lel at my expense: http://imgur.com/ZywsJNl

19:23

imgur: the simple image sharer

19:23

chetty: asciilifeform, first time I heard that one, great!!! << and here i thought everyone knew that one.

19:23

cazalla

misprints worth more nubbins` ?

19:23

cazalla if only

19:23

i was almost certain somebody would pipe up, 'old hat'

19:23

!lelbot deduct nubbins` a lel

19:23

that's destined for life as a permanent test print

19:24

maybe once some other cool shit gets layered down, it'll be a nice piece on its own

19:24

<lelbot> your lel balance is currently zero, please try having a lel

19:25

*

chetty isn't everyone

19:26

chetty lol

19:26

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7582 @ 0.00085923 = 6.5147 BTC [-]

19:26

nubbins`: i'm sending payment now

19:26

;;tickewr

19:26

Error: "tickewr" is not a valid command.

19:26

;;ticker

19:26

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 480.07, Best ask: 480.97, Bid-ask spread: 0.90000, Last trade: 480.98, 24 hour volume: 11019.20063541, 24 hour low: 473.33, 24 hour high: 504.75, 24 hour vwap: 487.010999602

19:26

with only hours left on the clock!

19:26

BingoBoingo: http://samsclass.info/125/proj11/LSU-HIPAA.htm << not bad. sam sounds just like the sort of guy that should be here.

19:26

Illegal Retaliation by LSU for HIPAA Violation Complaint

19:26

I KNOW!

19:26

lolol

19:27

buy a poster while you're at it

19:28

how much to I add to invoice for that?

19:28

.11

19:28

;;calc 0.2823 + .11

19:28

0.3923

19:28

;;ident nubbins`

19:28

Nick 'nubbins`', with hostmask 'nubbins`!~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163082159.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net', is identified as user 'nubbins`', with GPG key id CF2950F23C844002, key fingerprint 5015BD3D0AE659C8B8632F31CF2950F23C844002, and bitcoin address None

19:28

http://www.ij.org/philadelphia-forfeiture-backgrounder << heh

19:28

The Institute for Justice

19:28

roger :D

19:28

mircea_popescu: He's got some other gems http://samsclass.info/124/proj14/norton.htm Amazing the stuff you stumble into

19:28

Norton v. Python

19:28

it's right there in city hall, but let's pretend we don't know about it./

19:28

nubbins`:

19:28

sending now

19:29

5735e854f041ecff815fc205addb73a183b7f2fd27eb16affae41896c25f6b99 << txid

19:29

meanwhile, the last time a woman was raped was in 2005, back when the last guy could still get it up. but letr's all derp about rape

19:29

tyvm

19:29

should i sent poster to same address?

19:29

The most terrifying place in Philadelphia is Courtroom 478 in City Hall. This is where property owners enter Philadelphias Civil Forfeiture Machine. Civil forfeiture is a little-known legal device that allows law enforcement officials to take your property, sell it and pocket the proceedseven if you have done nothing wrong.

19:29

Philadelphias automated, machine-like forfeiture scheme is unprecedented in size. From 2002 to 2012, Philadelphia took in over $64 million in forfeiture fundsor almost $6 million per year. In 2011 alone, the citys prosecutors filed 6,560 forfeiture petitions to take cash, cars, homes and other property. The Philadelphia District Attorneys office used over $25 million of that $64 million to pay salaries, inc

19:29

luding the salaries of the very prosecutors who brought the forfeiture actions. This is almost twice as much as what all other Pennsylvania counties spent on salaries combined.

19:30

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2014#817499

19:30

Logged on 31-08-2014 20:58:05; asciilifeform: 'In Courtroom 478, property owners are instructed to sign in and indicate with a checkmark on the sign-in sheet the kind of property they are there to save. The sign-in sheet lists the following categories of property: "house," "car," "money," or "gun." ... Assistant district attorneys with the Public Nuisance Task Force fully control the proceedings inside "Courtroom" 478. There is no judge, no jury,

19:30

imagine, a courtroom in city hall

19:30

more like a 'troika' than a court

19:31

it contains no judge (not even one of those non-judge "magistrate" usg agents)

19:31

so it's a courtroom only in the sense that... it isn't.

19:31

a la america.

19:31

nubbins`: can you follow up with an invoice of the fee break down (shipping, shirt cost, poster cost etc. etc. etc.)?

19:31

;;ident

19:31

Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified.

19:31

;;eauth thestringpuller

19:31

Request successful for user thestringpuller, hostmask thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/0FF2943DA179E169

19:32

"As a result, the entire family was thrown out of the house for one week, even though Chris and his wife were never charged with or convicted of any wrongdoing. The family was allowed back in pending the outcome of their forfeiture proceeding, but only under the condition that they kick out their son and agree to waive their rights in any civil-forfeiture proceedings in the future. "

19:32

this waiver for the future device...

19:32

;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:e110e07e0043a8f3de9b9d8f5e3dacabb843a7dd7e2eec5b4d6af109

19:32

You are now authenticated for user thestringpuller with key 0FF2943DA179E169

19:32

;;ident

19:32

Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None

19:32

thestringpuller: sure

19:33

mircea_popescu: the reason there's very little public noise about such proceedings presently is that the system is still in the 'punish relatives of враги народа' phase. (in the linked case, separated husband was convicted of dope dealing)

19:33

iirc this whole thing of "waiving your rights" doesn't really exist in canada

19:33

i mean, i'm sure there are some situations

19:34

but let's say you sign a waiver at the rock climbing gym, rope breaks, neck breaks. waiver isn't worth the paper it's printed on

19:34

asciilifeform no dude, let's "raise awareness" about how niggers got to survive as an ethnic group (something most equally retarded pacific and red skin tribes did not) because they got transported by the dutch to slave in the us, and this happened centuries ago was a very bad thing.

19:34

THAT needs more awareness.

19:34

ahaha

19:34

the fact that the city hall has an office of theft does not.

19:34

nubbins`: why is the poster so expensive?

19:35

pour some ice water on your head why dontcha. jesus god.

19:35

lol did I miss the 35 dollar mark or is it 15 for shipping?

19:35

~20 for shipping

19:35

they're being flat-packed

19:35

Gotcha! just wondering.

19:35

If you could put all that in the final invoice that'd be dope as fuck appreciate doing business with you.

19:35

only 8 left now, you got the early bird price ;D

19:36

oh and could you do a separate invoice for the commission that's in progress (the remaining balance etc.)

19:36

TheNewDeal: Trying dig through the wot for some practice << not such a bad idea.

19:36

(i need a fucking project manager)

19:36

sounds like i need a secretary

19:36

:D

19:36

YUP

19:36

movin' on up

19:36

to the delux apt in the sky

19:36

;;ident

19:36

Nick 'nubbins`', with hostmask 'nubbins`!~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163082159.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net', is identified as user 'nubbins`', with GPG key id CF2950F23C844002, key fingerprint 5015BD3D0AE659C8B8632F31CF2950F23C844002, and bitcoin address None

19:36

amt paid on portrait: $100. amt remaining: $350

19:37

^ invoice :D

19:37

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2014#817723 << cool saving this

19:37

Logged on 31-08-2014 23:36:55; nubbins`: amt paid on portrait: $100. amt remaining: $350

19:38

;;google i said it, i did it

19:38

1987 - Sam the Record Man - I Said It I Did It - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwoK5lXcZsY>; I SAID IT. I DID IT. | Sous Style: <http://sousstyle.com/2012/03/14/i-said-it-i-did-it/>; How y'all realer? If I said it, I did it – Writer's Block - Genius: <http://rap.genius.com/197789/Royce-da-59-writers-block/How-yall-realer-if-i-said-it-i-did-it>

19:38

RagnarDanneskjol btw, here's something you should be able to find : http://trilema.com/2014/smg-april-2014-statement/ (grep for "the first")

19:38

S.MG, April 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

19:38

midnightmagic

It is not possible to waive fundamental rights in Canada. Certain other righs (such as moral rights in copyright law) also can't be legally waived or given away or signed away.

19:39

thank you. I'm on it

19:39

mircea_popescu: "no text found"

19:39

midnightmagic

But lots of rights can be contracted or signed away or waived..

19:39

there y'go, thanks mm

19:39

thestringpuller make it case insensitive i guess ?

19:40

it is

19:40

grep -i "the first"

19:40

should i pipe raw html via curl?

19:40

your grep is borken

19:40

yeah you're doing something mistakenly wrong.

19:40

relatedly : There was a young fellow named Brewer whose girl made her home in a sewer. Thus he, the poor soul, could get into her hole yet still be unable to screw her!

19:46

;;ticker

19:46

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 477.02, Best ask: 478.19, Bid-ask spread: 1.17000, Last trade: 477.0, 24 hour volume: 11206.89568617, 24 hour low: 473.33, 24 hour high: 504.75, 24 hour vwap: 486.898965225

19:46

hoorah. dat dip.

19:46

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/us/police-shooting-kills-crew-member-working-for-reality-show-cops.html << mega-lol

19:47

Log In - The New York Times

19:56

penguirker

New blog post: http://thewhet.net/2014/use-your-nose/

~ 25 minutes ~

20:21

asciilifeform lol the end of days.

20:21

so meta.

~ 20 minutes ~

20:42

Oh ben_vulpes nice'd up the Van-Ads preview

20:53

cazalla

first day of spring and it rains

20:58

;;later tell hanbot your blog comment box is broken. always 'error: must enter name and address'

20:58

The operation succeeded.

20:59

;;later tell hanbot here's my comment - http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=aX5yprfH

20:59

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2014/09/blanchard.htm

The operation succeeded.

21:05

dignork

21:05

Where Danger Lurks -- Finance & Development, September 2014

21:06

dignork

It ends with: "The main policy lesson is a simple one: Stay away from dark corners."

~ 22 minutes ~

21:29

mod6

%tslb

21:29

atcbot

Time Since Last ATC Block: 1 hour(s), 23 minutes

21:34

%v

21:34

atcbot

[X-BT VWAP] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 175 30d-Vol: 1.61M 30d-High: 250 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 197

~ 33 minutes ~

22:07

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00085663 = 3.7692 BTC [+] {2}

22:14

dignork i take the fact that Olivier Blanchard fucktard writes that whole piece without including the string "Taleb" as a personal insult.

22:14

guy needs to go die in a fire, this world is not for him and his putrid ilk.

22:15

Bet created: "PPC >= .003 BTC in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/1037/

22:16

the way that thing must read is "we, including myself personally, and the institution i work for - the imf - are a collection of contemptioble idiots with wholy unsupported delusions of cultural relevance and scientific rigour. fortunately for the world nassim taleb has been saying this for a long time ; unfortunately for the world we thought we knew better, like any clueless two bit scammer on an infamous web forum"

22:16

that's the fucking intro. not whatever derpitude he comes up with.

22:17

August could have been worse http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/31/august-atc-results/

22:21

penguirker

New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/31/august-atc-results/

22:21

Apocalyptic

I suspect September would be worse though, since trading activity seems to be directly correlated with the mining pace

22:22

Maybe?

22:22

Anyone know offhand the median div return rate of mpoe?

22:22

Bet created: "Bitcoin price range November over $200" http://bitbet.us/bet/1038/

22:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00085841 = 2.5752 BTC [+] {2}

22:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00085629 = 3.2539 BTC [-]

22:47

;;view 21351

22:47

#21351 Mon Aug 25 19:39:07 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 'What is Bitcoin?' silkscreened art print @ 35 USD (18x24", 5-color silkscreen on white Cougar acid-free paper, limited edition of 50, pre-order price only, shipping week of August 31, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=756955.0)

22:47

about to post pictures of finished print, now's your chance to get one cheap

22:50

nubbins` i like what you're doing with the documenting the process.

22:51

i don't take enough process pics, it's nice :D

22:51