#trilema | 2014-06-10

BingoBoingo: see kodak/silver relationship for example.

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I've got to go get some food before the bar closes

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ill be back in an hour or so

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And lets say at 16`367 you spent .33 to purchase 0.5, 0.6 or whatever on No (In case miners betting late on No make covering the offer at a higher weight a challenge, Spz. No becomes obvious and a member of the math challenged drops 1000 BTC on No)

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No is most definitely not obvious

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Yes is the most likely scenario

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Ah, it closes in ~4 days.

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close doesn't really matter to us

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i dont think bets are going to be made

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Well it keeps people from betting when the outcome might be obvious.

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even if they are made, they are not going to be large ones

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I'll think on this a bit.

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sounds good

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COOKIES

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smickles

mircea_popescu: over 4bill in assets which are easily valued

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00085527 = 0.5987 BTC [+]

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smickles

easily a few more bil in things like BPOs and BPCs

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 672 @ 0.00085513 = 0.5746 BTC [-]

~ 57 minutes ~

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.072075 = 0.2883 BTC [-] {2}

01:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00085326 = 2.7304 BTC [-]

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TheNewDeal: Here's the present output from BitBet.py on the Bastille Day Bet http://dpaste.com/1Y574AF/

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dpaste: 1Y574AF: Bastille day Output

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*

BingoBoingo missed some lines on initial entry and tacked them on at the end.

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TheNewDeal: I think something about the math you presented for your example is wrong.

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As an example of fresh bet of .33 BTC on No returns the line [ 52] No 30000 0.33000000 1.93420100 1.60420100 covering 32.8% of your 5.9 BTC stake.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12327 @ 0.00085485 = 10.5377 BTC [+] {3}

01:42

bingoboingo you still on?

01:42

Still online

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niiiice

01:44

i've been pondering over some calculations

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Selling a .33 stake at 30,000 weight for.33 BTC isn't going to be feasible.

01:44

one I was thinking of was buying .25 stake at 50k weight

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;;calc (16.3-.25*50)/(678)*112.8

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0.632212389381

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;;calc ((16.3-.25*50)/(678)*112.8)/(1-.25)

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0.842949852507

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return of 84% for you

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which would be drastically reduced from the 370%+ you have now

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Looks like [ 53] No 50000 0.25000000 2.24095491 1.99095491 when added through BitBet.py

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what are the last two columns?

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The last two are return and then profit.

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ok

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;;calc ((16.3-.25*50)/(678)*112.8)

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0.632212389381

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if I send .25 btc to you representing 50k timeweight you would win .63 btc on No

01:50

that's probably undesireable then?

01:50

Very undesirable.

01:50

then I think we're both stuck to the waiting game

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I might be amenable to .33 BTC at 25000 weight... the line looks like No 25000 0.33000000 1.65041127 1.32041127

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the thing is I have to take in my whole stake

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;;calc (197/2937)*(19.5)-.33

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0.977967313585

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;;calc (197/2937)*(19.5)-.33/(5.6+.33)

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1.25231807244

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;;calc ((197/2937)*(19.5)-.33)/(5.6+.33)

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0.164918602628

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;;calc (.33*25/678)*112.8

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1.37256637168

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;;calc ((.33*25/678)*112.8)/(5.6+.33)

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0.231461445477

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;;calc ((16.3-.33*25)/678)*112.8

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1.3392920354

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;;calc (((16.3-.33*25)/678)*112.8)/(1-.33)

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1.99894333642

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hmmm

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TheNewDeal: The Bitbet.py numbers are a bit off for these new bets because it figures the new sum into the No pile.

01:57

I'm not using bitbet.py

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I'm using the current no and yes totals

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[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.0189761 = 0.3795 BTC [-]

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my return would be 16.5% on yes, -77% no

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;;calc 77/16.5

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4.66666666667

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TheNewDeal: I think you might be trying to complicate this thing more than it needs to be complicated.

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arithmetic doesn't phase me

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heres the thing

02:03

you bet later than i did, and on the less probable outcome (in my opinion)

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so I really only have incentive to offer you less return to reduce your loss

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and i'm trying to figure out exactly how much would reduce your return and also mitigate my losses in case of some rare event

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.072 = 0.216 BTC [-]

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Ah, there's the problem. We're looking at different things. You have a large stake in a probable bet, and I'm willing to offer a hedge so you can avoid a total loss. I'd be willing to unload part of my position, but... I am not an insurance company.

02:07

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7782 @ 0.00085435 = 6.6486 BTC [-] {2}

02:07

so let's say we wait 1 week

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how do you think the outcome will look?

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TheNewDeal: Maybe we wait a week. At the moment I think it looks like a bit like your side is more likely, but it is close to a coin flip.

02:09

no way it's a coin flip~

02:09

I think it is close.

02:09

the network has to average around 6% over 3 diff changes

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Summer is coming and heat kills miners

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And I only thing we are getting two changes

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Last one might even go backwards

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that's too far out to predict for me

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I think it is going to be hard to add enough hashpower these next 34 days to keep up with dying equiptment and raise the difficulty all that much.

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6% over three changes is mincemeat

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I just don't think we are getting that third change.

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the last time there was a 6% change was ?

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It's been a while

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if we have 3 changes that take 13 days

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we will still sneak in

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this year it has typically taken 12.66 days per change

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there's a lot of fudge room

02:23

i've gotta get some sleep here

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long drive tomorrow

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Sleep well then.

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gnight

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Sigh, I guess I'm going to have to explain how this longshots thing works...

02:39

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.072 = 0.36 BTC [-]

02:40

BingoBoingo: what does your crystal ball say about http://bitbet.us/bet/812/atc-to-reach-block-50000-on-time/

02:40

BitBet - ATC to reach block 50000 on time :: 2.25 B (24%) on Yes, 7.05 B (76%) on No | closing in 1 month 2 weeks | weight: 51`392 (100`000 to 1)

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punkman: Well considering ATC alternates between difficulty periods that take 4 days and those that take... much longer... No seems like a safe bet, but too safe.

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that's why I went with Yes :P

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Understandable.

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I'm wondering if it will make sense for the Yes side to rent some extra hashing power at certain points

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If the pot gets big enough.

02:47

you'd also make ATC to offset the costs

02:49

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14691 @ 0.00085515 = 12.563 BTC [+] {2}

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Indeed. The most profitable move in ATC might be to bet large on yes, wait for people to match it and then add 1TH/s a week to ATC's baseline hashpower until the bet resolves.

02:49

BingoBoingo: is there a log of ATC diff changes somewhere?

02:49

Maybe blockr.io?

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I don't see one

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You may have to make one

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07133337 = 0.856 BTC [-] {4}

02:59

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 96 @ 0.07060759 = 6.7783 BTC [-] {9}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6626 @ 0.00085204 = 5.6456 BTC [-]

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;;bc,stats

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~ 18 minutes ~

03:31

OMG look at the review of everything that doesn't matter in an OS http://delightlylinux.wordpress.com/2014/04/17/xubuntu-14-04-released/

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Xubuntu 14.04 Released | Delightly Linux

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new icons !!!11!

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that trash can definitely needs more work

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yeah it's decidedly un-Apple

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they should just pay for Apple people to work for them

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but for free

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because OSS

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fluffypony: Done right XFCE looks much better than OSx

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such iconography

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much transparency

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wow

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fluffypony: Right looks something like https://unsee.cc/doparine/

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Unsee — Free online private photo sharing

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if I didn't know any better I would say that's OS X Guhurkagurkle

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It's what makes sense on a widescree portable

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.0241695 = 0.4834 BTC [+]

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Why have panels taking up scarce space at the top or bottom when they can go on the side (one of the things Unity got right)

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.0718 = 1.5078 BTC [+]

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;;ticker --market all

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Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 657.26, vol: 6171.06625581 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 647.99, vol: 4195.29581 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 664.5, vol: 6387.94177976 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 655.0, vol: 21.77758049 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 660.501105, vol: 4167.50820000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 657.71523, vol: 4.62546371 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 665.967224, vol: 66.67940545 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

03:53

tradition. because computers weren't in the broken 16:9 ratio

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pankkake: Amazing how persistent these things can be.

04:00

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/06/09/2229236/nsf-researcher-suspended-for-mining-bitcoin

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NSF Researcher Suspended For Mining Bitcoin - Slashdot

04:01

$150,000 worth of NSF-supported computer use at the two universities to generate bitcoins worth about $8,000 to $10,000

~ 18 minutes ~

04:19

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2227051 BTC [-]

~ 23 minutes ~

04:42

BingoBoingo asciilifeform according to pediwikia gallium is incredibly sticky and messy once it melts, and rather poisonous...so, no chains nor cutlery

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so it'd be best stored in glass containers..and how do you ascertain it wasn't amalgamated with mercury or such?

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oh btw it also soaks readily into other metals and weakens them

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http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/0cb9ba2e-efcc-11e3-bee7-00144feabdc0.html?siteedition=intl#axzz34DITpSFv

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Financial Times | Error | Akamai Error

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do i read this one correctly or is euronext valued somewhere around a fifth of whatsapp

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or 2/3 of snapchat

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0711 = 0.4977 BTC [-]

~ 20 minutes ~

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[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1351 @ 0.000353 = 0.4769 BTC [-] {4}

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0712 = 0.2136 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [PROV] 89 @ 0.002 = 0.178 BTC

05:35

http://ccsinjection.lepidum.co.jp/blog/2014-06-05/CCS-Injection-en/index.html

05:35

How I discovered CCS Injection Vulnerability (CVE-2014-0224) - OpenSSL #ccsinjection Vulnerability

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;;later tell mircea_popescu not upgrading will not help in all cases: http://ccsinjection.lepidum.co.jp/blog/2014-06-05/CCS-Injection-en/index.html

05:36

How I discovered CCS Injection Vulnerability (CVE-2014-0224) - OpenSSL #ccsinjection Vulnerability

05:36

The operation succeeded.

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apparently nobody has deeper knowledge of the tls protocol

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joesmoe: !up works for me

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!up Bobby_Lee

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!up joesmoe

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there

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you're doing that toa ssbot in PM right?

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i'm trying that but getting no reply.

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it replies in a notice

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ahhhh maybe i'm not getting these notices because of BNC

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00085684 = 3.8558 BTC [+]

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joesmoe: you should sort it out, my !up is only for 30 minutes

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yeah i know

05:42

anybody have any information on how to use assbot? Do I have to be auth'd with gribble with GPG or can i be bc authd?

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i've never setup GPG with gribble

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11:36] joesmoe: ;;whoami

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[11:36] gribble: I don't recognize you.

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;;google trilema assets +m

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#bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/>; Why everything you think you know about DNS is entirely ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2014/why-everything-you-think-you-know-about-dns-is-entirely-wrong/>; Ca tot… sa tras tot sa fumat tot sa baut tot cum e peste tot ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2014/ca-tot-s-a-tras- (1 more message)

05:43

http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets

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first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]

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fails

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0712 = 0.1424 BTC [+]

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okay great, so i do need to setup gpg with gribble.

05:47

how do i get this key its asking me to put it in?

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it can't be my entire pub key as that is too long

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it's in the wiki above

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says i'm already registered anyhow

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;;ident joesmoe

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;;ident joesmoe

05:48

Nick 'joesmoe', with hostmask 'joesmoe!~joesmoe@c-73-181-72-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net', is identified as user 'joesmoe', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1AqzP6zLMc4T4KavveXXrcyQoA63tbhyF3

05:48

Nick 'joesmoe', with hostmask 'joesmoe!~joesmoe@c-73-181-72-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net', is identified as user 'joesmoe', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1AqzP6zLMc4T4KavveXXrcyQoA63tbhyF3

05:48

you're regged with bitcoin address

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to add gpg key to registration, use ;;gpg eregister

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and the fingerprint can be got with

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oh its the fingerprint okay i have that

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gpg -k --fingerprint

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;;gettrust assbot joesmoe

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Currently authenticated from hostmask joesmoe!~joesmoe@c-73-181-72-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user joesmoe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=joesmoe | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joesmoe | Rated since: Tue Mar 12 17:07:21 2013

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yup i didn't realize the "long key" was the same as fingerprint

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^^ whoever can edit the wiki, pls add the tidbit

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joesmoe: ;;gpg eregister joesmoe 5A307B3E601C5363

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[11:51] gribble: Error: Username already registered. Try a different username.

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and since i don't have any trust with assbot, does that mean that he won't voice me?

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;;getinfo joesmoe

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Error: "getinfo" is not a valid command.

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;;gettrust joemsoe

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WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user joesmoe to user joemsoe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=joesmoe&dest=joemsoe | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joemsoe | Rated since: never

05:52

why does it say not authenticated

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i am authenticated

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you would have to auth with the bitcoin address first, to add the gpg key

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i already did

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;;ident joesmoe

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Nick 'joesmoe', with hostmask 'joesmoe!~joesmoe@c-73-181-72-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net', is identified as user 'joesmoe', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1AqzP6zLMc4T4KavveXXrcyQoA63tbhyF3

05:52

...

05:53

you made a typo in your previous command

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where?

05:53

"joemsoe"

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ahh thanks

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;;gettrust joesmoe

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Currently authenticated from hostmask joesmoe!~joesmoe@c-73-181-72-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user joesmoe to user joesmoe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 32 via 20 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=joesmoe&dest=joesmoe | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joesmoe | Rated since: Tue Mar 12 17:07:21 2013

05:54

oh well i give up for now

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i have no idea how to do this

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i need add the pgp key but am not sure how

05:58

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 219 @ 0.07061468 = 15.4646 BTC [-] {5}

05:58

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 17 @ 0.02414707 = 0.4105 BTC [-] {2}

~ 22 minutes ~

06:20

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0698 = 0.4886 BTC [-] {3}

06:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.0008585 = 5.4086 BTC [+]

06:26

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.024173 = 0.1209 BTC [+]

06:28

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.024173 = 0.2659 BTC [+]

~ 17 minutes ~

06:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6752 @ 0.00085684 = 5.7854 BTC [-]

06:47

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0691875 = 0.2768 BTC [-] {2}

06:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8732 @ 0.00085356 = 7.4533 BTC [-] {2}

06:56

;;later tell ThickAsThieves congrats, ATC is on here - http://mapofcoins.com

06:56

Map of coins: the history of cryptocurrencies from bitcoin to dogecoin and more

06:56

The operation succeeded.

06:57

"I am going to be Bitcoin Entrepreneur soon,as i creates ideas for bitcoin and its projects.I have also given ideas to CEX.io and Coinbase and they are reviewing and forwarding to their teams.Now i am looking for any platform that accepts my ideas and buy.Is there any platform which cares user ideas and thoughts."

06:57

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=634283.0

06:57

Where i can sell my business plans and ideas about bitcoin and its dev?

06:58

lol

06:58

gotta be a troll

06:58

"I have many ideas about Bitcoin business but no one is caring me.Only CEX cares my ideas and innovation.I want to deal with persons in this forum"

06:59

;;later tell frankenmint good post - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=634283.msg7160845#msg7160845

06:59

Where i can sell my business plans and ideas about bitcoin and its dev?

06:59

The operation succeeded.

07:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10379 @ 0.0008585 = 8.9104 BTC [+]

07:07

penguirker

New blog post: http://theumlaut.com/2014/06/10/bitcoin-is-great-but-it-wont-fix-our-monkey-brains/

07:09

http://fuckco.in/external/flyer/ny_800.jpg

07:10

wut

07:11

black and white posters printed on the office laserjet and stuck up on lamp posts is real legit

07:12

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1115 @ 0.00085321 = 0.9513 BTC [-]

07:14

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=251423.msg7223441#msg7223441

07:14

Lab Rat Data Processing, LLC (LabRatMining) Official Announcement

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lol

07:16

"It's like fat camp for your wallet." :D

07:16

this deserves to be reused

07:21

yeah I thought that post was great

07:22

"Mhm, I met Garr a couple months back in real life.. Can anyone give me a summary of what happened?"

07:22

"Well to sum things up, he changed millions of dollars into few cents and advised us to go out running and apply a holistic approach to the situation."

07:22

the forum is a gold mine today!

07:27

slander

07:29

it seems the newcomers barely know how to write

07:35

chetty

reading and writing are rapidly becoming lost arts

07:36

chetty

case in point, people as here right off about how to get voice, and its in the chan topic, you can't miss it

07:37

<chetty> reading and writing are rapidly becoming lost arts < even though more words gets written and read than ever before each day

07:37

chetty

write yes, not so sure about read

07:38

Bet placed: 15.25523358 BTC for No on "1BTC >= $10,000 USD" http://bitbet.us/bet/635/ Odds: 15(Y):85(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 490.17913538 BTC. Current weight: 45,685.

07:40

http://bitbet.us/bet/567/simona-halep-to-win-roland-garros/#c3022 haha

07:40

BitBet - Simona Halep to win Roland Garros :: 1.03 B (14%) on Yes, 6.22 B (86%) on No | closed 2 weeks 1 day ago

~ 15 minutes ~

07:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7935 @ 0.00085227 = 6.7628 BTC [-]

07:57

oh wow, someone took a dump in propositions

08:01

Upcoming availability: bitcoin.dating bitcoin.partners bitcoin.productions

08:02

i like it.. but... 147,44 eur?

08:02

cant they make it any longer

08:02

the .partners

08:03

just buy .bit and kill namecoin

08:04

.bit is 4sale?

08:04

One or more of the domain names in your order contain a registered trademark. DAFUQ

08:05

bitcoin is registered trademark nao

08:05

lol

08:05

do buttcoin then

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buttcoin.partners?

08:06

legit

08:09

http://i.imgur.com/KKu38Xr.jpg

08:10

branded night...

08:10

btc.democrat Available

08:11

btc.fail Available (anyone? - but still in sunrise)

08:12

kakobrekla: you should apply for .milk

08:12

hehe

08:16

god, so many of them http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/program-status/statistics

08:16

Program Statistics | ICANN New gTLDs

08:16

i guess google is gonna love it

08:19

Namecoin is more than .bit; .bit is just the d/ namespace

08:20

d/ ?

08:20

if you register the name d/kakobrekla it will corespond to kakobrekla.bit

08:21

you could instead register id/kakobrekla and it won't give you a .bit, but something else

08:21

who issues tlds there

08:22

nobody; i think you could make up your own as long as you write the interface for it

08:22

aha

08:22

there could be a g/ for gribble usernames, or if g/ is already used, gribble/

08:23

i might be using the wrong slash; it's been a while

08:23

is .bit reserved by ICANN or something? no applications for it

08:24

punkman, nope

08:24

you have to hack your settings to get .bit domains to resolve

08:24

yeah I know

08:24

(why nobody uses it)

08:26

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.024 = 0.12 BTC [-]

08:27

wouldn't be nice to have to change everything if .bit gets sold

08:27

I guess .onions are in the same boat though

08:29

namecoin should prolly be a browser extension at this point

08:29

Apocalyptic

they have one afaik

08:30

do they have something more low level? so you don't need a plugin for every app

08:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6657 @ 0.00085715 = 5.706 BTC [+]

08:31

there is a radio host who got obsessed with Namecoin for a time, and caused a couple applications to get written: FreeSpeechMe, and MeowBit

08:32

punkman there's <name>.dot-bit.org or such

08:32

freespeechme is a firefox plugin; meowbit is a windows-only system-wide thing

08:32

but he got tired of Namecoin and is shilling for bitshares now

08:32

Apocalyptic

heh

08:33

actually lately he hasn't really mentioned crypto-stuff at all, which is good; I was giving him a hard time for this stuff on twitter

08:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23534 @ 0.00085203 = 20.0517 BTC [-] {2}

08:37

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg7231252#msg7231252 at least the whole thing made someone smarter. not sure about the rest of them though

08:37

[ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated]

08:37

danielpbarron: i've seen a few of those cases; overly enthusiastic towards things they don't fully understand

08:37

[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 601 @ 0.00206714 = 1.2424 BTC [+] {2}

08:39

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-03/retailers-use-big-data-to-turn-you-into-a-big-spender.html

08:39

Retailers Use Big Data to Turn You Into a Big Spender - Bloomberg

08:39

so they just send you stuff and expect you to eventually pay later?

08:39

dare they try in eastern eu

08:40

!up drawingthesun

08:41

;;get trust drawingthesun

08:41

Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, and Topic plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get".

08:41

;;gettrust drawingthesun

08:41

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user fluffypony to user drawingthesun: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=fluffypony&dest=drawingthesun | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=drawingthesun | Rated since: never

08:41

Hey

08:41

drawingthesun: you need to get in the WoT

08:41

because you don't have to read months and months worth of threads

08:41

haha

08:41

you just have to be here and read the conversation

08:42

pretty much every security ever has been covered at length

08:42

I shudder to think what people have said about ActiveMining here

08:42

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0257 = 0.257 BTC [+]

08:43

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.02577 = 0.2577 BTC [+]

08:43

heh

08:44

;;google ken slaughter site:log.bitcoin-assets.com

08:44

NEXT: 09-05-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log - bitcoin-assets.com: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2014&bots=true>; NEXT: 26-07-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2013&bots=true>; NEXT: 09-05-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2014>

08:45

the logs are public but I don't remember that much

08:45

actually there might have been a year ago, when I wasn't very active

08:45

21:33:19 pankkake:so… investors are going to make a KILLING

08:45

from one of above links

08:45

lol

08:45

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.02578 = 0.2578 BTC [+]

08:45

pankkake, haha how are you going?

08:46

I'm ok. I guess. lol

08:46

jurov: I didn't even understand my joke at first

08:46

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.02579999 = 0.3354 BTC [+]

08:47

o yea now i get it too.

08:47

Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3GXVEW6.txt )

08:47

!b 2

08:47

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 40 @ 0.0259999 = 1.04 BTC [+] {2}

08:48

there's laughter in every slaughter

08:48

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 21 @ 0.02659999 = 0.5586 BTC [+] {2}

08:49

lol

08:49

slander

08:52

now you too can own a piece of an Australian hair salon

08:52

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=646708.0

08:52

[ANN] Klippt -Bitcoin IPO - Limited shares, dividends paid quarterly.

08:52

what do you lot think about NEMstake on Nxt asset exchange? Anyone following NEM development?

08:53

the investors will make a KLIPPING

08:53

is it a vietnamese restaurant?

08:53

Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/110W3NF.txt )

08:53

!b 3

08:54

needs moar context in the bash, ah well

08:54

oh klippt is like a word play on "clip"?

08:54

ya

08:54

pankkake: it's apparently Swedish for haircut or something

08:54

http://www.klippt.com.au/ipod.pdf

08:54

French hair salons love word plays in their names. it's ridiculous

08:55

"there's laughter in every slaughter" <<< thank you, if that was the joke, i get it too nao

08:55

lol

08:55

but if it wasn't, such shame

08:57

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0268 = 0.268 BTC [+]

08:57

Damn the US fucked everything up for Bitcoin users here.

08:57

did they ban China?

08:57

bitcoin banned china again?

08:58

BitChina banned coin

08:58

The cost of liquidity is too high for most vendors...

08:59

Coinbase wants 1% which is pretty much what most niggas pay for CC processing

08:59

Bitpay wants fucking 2

08:59

now is the time to move away from liquidity and go towards solidity

08:59

And it's on the low side of the bid

08:59

thestringpuller: Bitpay is 1% on starter, else $30/month no fees

09:00

"1% which is pretty much what most niggas pay for CC processing" <<< it really depends

09:00

so they finally are doing flat fees

09:00

I don't know many who have only 1% for CC

09:01

or no monthly fee

09:01

pankkake: it's usually lower in france

09:01

I guess I'm just bitter since back in the day I could buy BTC pretty much at market price with 0.5% in fees.

09:01

really? perhaps I've only seen higher rates but maybe banks like to fuck small businesses

09:01

the fees can explode depending on your business and your fraud profile

09:01

oh

09:02

thestringpuller what is market rate?

09:02

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.217161 = 1.0858 BTC [-] {3}

09:02

gambling & porn is usually > 6% i hear

09:02

thestringpuller: yeah, they've been doing flat pricing for a while already - https://bitpay.com/pricing

09:02

Pricing | BitPay

09:02

$30/month gives you up to $10k daily

09:02

yea i just looked

09:03

;;calc 30 /10000

09:03

0.003

09:03

not bad

09:03

fluffypony: it's not really flat -> Up to $100,000 daily

09:03

i'd rather just have a continuous supplier like a miner I can just pay

09:03

i want to migrate my fiat income stream into bitcoin

09:04

but it costs too much!

09:04

xmj

thestringpuller: have you looked into coinvoice?

09:04

thestringpuller: what is it you're doing ?

09:04

davout: apparently even their Enterprise packages for > $100k daily are flat fee and not %

09:04

my business runs in fiat and I want to migrate the operating revenue into btc

09:04

well, why don't they give a price then ?

09:04

thestringpuller what rate do you think is market rate?

09:05

thestringpuller: that i got, wasn't the question tho :)

09:05

i could sell you btc every day, settle net 7 or net 15

09:05

lol davout i've been developing a cookie company but we want to migrate our profits into btc

09:06

but i want to know what you think the going price is

09:06

;;ticker

09:06

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 647.37, Best ask: 650.21, Bid-ask spread: 2.84000, Last trade: 650.21, 24 hour volume: 7067.58768279, 24 hour low: 641.01, 24 hour high: 657.41, 24 hour vwap: 649.718914435

09:06

so you think bitstamp is the market rate ?

09:06

where are you located ?

09:06

US

09:06

here it's a bit higher

09:06

fluffypony: if it's $30 for < $10,000/day, $300 for < $100k, $3000 for < $1mn that's still a percentage

09:06

think Coinbase is 656

09:07

davout: ah I see what you mean

09:07

it just has a 0,3% floor

09:07

so you would like to pay coinbase daily ?

09:07

or you think that is too high ?

09:08

thestringpuller: oic, weren't you supposed to send me a cookie for some reason i forgot?

09:08

:D

09:08

company i work for provides btc liquidity to businesses, we settle net 7 or net 15

09:08

if you are interested

09:10

yea davout we are in R&D got held up. the chef is going to bonnaroo this week. Took me a lot to train him.

09:10

should be a semi colon after R&D

09:10

My lawyer was supposed to have me import/export papers on perhishables by now too...

09:10

fluffypony informed me yesterday of the harsh import laws

09:11

just sell your cookies on the darknets

09:11

lol

09:11

CookieRoad

09:12

Don't they open packages at customs?

09:12

I don't sell outside the US just sending you and MP cookies.

09:12

if you write "electronics" they still it and claim it's lost, otherwise usually not

09:13

steal*

09:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7022 @ 0.00085125 = 5.9775 BTC [-] {3}

09:13

France sounds annoying.

09:13

Well their shipping practices.

09:14

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2357051 BTC [+]

09:26

shipping food *to* the US is the hard thing actually

09:27

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0269 = 0.269 BTC [+]

09:28

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 59 @ 0.02699994 = 1.593 BTC [+] {2}

09:29

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 16 @ 0.0274875 = 0.4398 BTC [+] {2}

09:31

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.02779 = 0.5558 BTC [+] {2}

09:34

Blazedout419

must be some good news on Scrypt

09:36

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 80 @ 0.02799 = 2.2392 BTC [+]

09:38

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.23797814 = 1.1899 BTC [+] {2}

09:41

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02418799 = 0.1209 BTC [+]

09:42

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.028 = 0.168 BTC [+]

09:43

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.024188 = 0.1209 BTC [+]

09:44

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 30 @ 0.02931666 = 0.8795 BTC [+] {2}

09:46

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.02999798 = 0.15 BTC [+]

09:47

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.029998 = 0.3 BTC [+]

09:48

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.02999999 = 0.15 BTC [+]

09:52

ThickAsThieves

<+fluffypony> ;;later tell ThickAsThieves congrats, ATC is on here - http://mapofcoins.com --- neat! back to lumberjacking...

09:52

Map of coins: the history of cryptocurrencies from bitcoin to dogecoin and more

09:55

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.02437042 = 0.1462 BTC [+]

09:56

"The biggest reason why the bug hasnt been found for over 16 years is that code reviews were insufficient, especially from experts who had experiences with TLS/SSL implementation. "

09:56

fucking joke.

09:57

mapofcoins is missing Bernankoin :( how do I submit?

09:59

madofcoins ?

10:00

madoffcoins?

10:00

"allows man-in-the-middle attackers to trigger use of a zero-length master key"

10:01

you know, when i said the power rangers are too stupid to be on the internet and they said i'm just being evil, because they're about as smart as everyone else derping about "open source software" we were BOTH right

10:01

i didn't realise this at the time.

10:02

!up toddf

10:02

ThickAsThieves

<+thestringpuller> The cost of liquidity is too high for most vendors... //// Circle can eat their lunch if they play their cards right - things will start getting interesting when you can buy for zero fees

10:03

it's unavoidable. commodified market, players are of no particular valu

10:03

e

10:06

zero fees = fees built into exchange rate.

10:06

Mats_cd03

;;bc,stats

10:06

10:06

mike_c how so ?

10:06

circle does as much as it can to hide the exchange rate when you buy (from watching video)

10:06

um a dude from @dc-data.com.cn wrote to me that some company named VOLKAN Tech Ltd. wants to register zillion coinbr.TLD domains

10:06

whether we authorized it

10:07

and i'm sure they just a few points off for their own pockets.

10:07

i replied that no

10:07

jurov classical spam

10:07

*shave

10:07

and he replied "okay, you should register them yourself"

10:07

so, not legit you say

10:07

mike_c trying to be paypal. except they won't be able to

10:07

paypal has this thing where govts prosecute its competition

10:07

jurov: no. dime a dozen scam. i throw those out on a weekly basis

10:08

jurov one of the more common finds when i review my spamtraps

10:08

i like better the scam where they just send you a bill

10:08

in the hopes that a clueless worker bee will pay it.

10:08

ok, i got such for first time

10:09

mike_c kinda how circle's shaving points work

10:09

in the hopes a clueless buyer will just think a ok it's what itis

10:09

yes

10:09

zero fees!

10:10

http://slashdot.org/story/14/06/10/0336202/godaddy-files-for-100-million-ipo

10:10

GoDaddy Files For $100 Million IPO - Slashdot

10:10

anybody in here have an account and try it out?

10:10

wait what ?

10:10

godaddy 100mn after whatsapp 20bn ? are they insane ?

10:10

was it100bn ?

10:10

GoDaddy hasn't made a profit since 2009. The company lost $279 million in 2012. It bled another $200 million last year. This year doesn't look much better, with another $51 million lost in the first quarter

10:10

so, they're the twitter of domains

10:11

how does godaddy lose money ?

10:11

wtf

10:11

that might be raising $100m, not the valuation

10:12

"The company said it would raise $100 million, but that is just a placeholder until closer to the offering date."

10:12

xmj

godaddy throws money away on superbowls

10:13

but that's maybe 10mm

10:13

ThickAsThieves

ticker should be GOD Y

10:14

jurov: so it'd be best stored in glass containers..and how do you ascertain it wasn't amalgamated with mercury << there's the beauty. melting point. no way to fake Ga melting point and have anything like the density.

10:14

jurov: and it can stay in the bottle.

10:14

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.02854545 = 0.314 BTC [-] {2}

10:14

you can't easily measure the volume while it's inside the bottle

10:15

pankkake more of this fudingyou learned on btc forum i see.

10:15

jurov: s/bottle/ampoule (full ampoule)

10:15

measure like archimedes

10:15

los_pantalones by hiring uglychicks to weart its tshirt ?

10:15

xmj

waaat

10:17

asciilifeform you sur e ? eutectic is a thing

10:17

if it's full one needs to solve the thermal expansion problem and still., also measuring the wall thickness accurately

10:17

jurov a glass bottle can't be full of a metal ffs.

10:18

too many things that can go bad.. i'm keeping my bricks, thanks

10:19

if you can design "datskovskiy's container" that solves all of above properly, maybe that will be the thing you'll be remembered for

10:19

not for some computer science masturbation

10:20

;)

10:20

lol

10:20

mircea_popescu: if you can find me a eutectic solder that melts anywhere near 30C (but not liquid at room temp like Hg) i'll buy it right now.

10:20

many useful applications.

10:21

but maybe the reason that ive not found it is that your buying doesn't compare with 8 millenia of trying to defraud the currency

10:21

lol!

10:21

there was something like wood's metal that did 80, i think

10:24

at any rate, Hg has >2x the density of Ga. and the latter, unlike Hg, won't boil on a gas flame.

10:24

so plenty of simple tests, once you pick a suitable container.

10:24

there are other amalgams not suitable as solder, but for faking gallium in closed container something can be certainly though of

10:24

*thought

10:25

just to remind, the whole discussion started about ease of handling/verification vs. gold/silver bricks

10:25

the only reason no one would even try this crap is the point mentioned earlier (100% of present-day use is industrial, mostly as GaAs semiconductor, fluctuating demand)

10:25

more's the point, you've not had the benefit of manyyear's worth of having thought about what the people trying to fake it might have thought about

10:26

i think this problem is often misrepresented by all the young cocks starting new things.

10:26

that's actually the part that intrigues me - how do we fake gallium

10:26