Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans


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00:00 cazalla i thought it was going to be shit but it was a pleasant surprise
00:00 ThickAsThieves Pan's Labyrinth
00:00 ThickAsThieves Battle Royale for more japanese
00:01 ThickAsThieves Attack on Titan for some anime
00:01 nubbins` http://imgur.com/4JXlTkw
00:01 ozbot My squash has developed an new defense mechanism - Imgur
00:01 nubbins` ^ oh fuck
00:01 ThickAsThieves nice
00:01 nubbins` the first cube movie was good (though poorly acted). rest of em were pretty meh
00:01 ThickAsThieves i agree, but i'll watch every single one
00:02 ThickAsThieves they can make 10 of em
00:02 nubbins` cube -5: in the beginning
00:02 nubbins` cube 3.14159265358979323846: sphere
00:02 nubbins` i think that last one is a 6, anyway
00:02 nubbins` been a while
00:03 ThickAsThieves there are some great british limite dseries
00:03 ThickAsThieves like The Fades
00:03 nubbins` watching the bletchley circle now
00:03 ThickAsThieves they had HyperCube
00:03 nubbins` nod
00:03 nubbins` that was the one that was all white?
00:03 Apocalyptic ThickAsThieves, have you seen Black Mirror ?
00:03 ThickAsThieves not sure lemme look it up
00:04 ThickAsThieves i havent
00:04 ThickAsThieves i already like it from the promo picture
00:04 nubbins` so silvergoldbull (canadian bullion dealer) now accepts btc, but i can't figure out where they're getting their rates from
00:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00095478 = 14.99 BTC [+]
00:06 Apocalyptic http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2085059/ just watch it
00:06 MisterE ohh looks good
00:06 MisterE is this the frozen that doesn't suck? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0376606/
00:06 ThickAsThieves no
00:06 MisterE looks like there could be suckage
00:07 ThickAsThieves the cover is a ski lift at night
00:07 MisterE this: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1323045/
00:07 MisterE ok
00:07 ThickAsThieves just keep in mind i like really creepy shit
00:07 nubbins` scary
00:08 ThickAsThieves so if you get nightmares dont listen to me
00:08 nubbins` ever see funny games? the 1997 one?
00:08 ThickAsThieves nope
00:08 nubbins` put it on your list, it's fucked
00:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00095253 = 14.9547 BTC [-]
00:09 nubbins` buddy of mine is a big horror/creepshow buff, threw it on for me once
00:09 nubbins` really intense
00:09 ThickAsThieves i think it all started with creep show for me
00:09 nubbins` they remade it (the original is austrian) but i've only seen the original
00:10 ThickAsThieves the only movies so far that creep me out to turning them off are japanese though
00:10 ThickAsThieves they are fucked up people man
00:11 ThickAsThieves i like when jiggly butt girl is there to greet me at kat.ph
00:11 nubbins` our women are tired of boys, they want men
00:12 nubbins` the real fuckbook is back
00:12 ThickAsThieves your wife will never find out!
00:12 nubbins` i can only assume people click on them, but i'm not sure why
00:12 nubbins` our site has too many hot women, men join for free
00:13 nubbins` ^ what a problem to have, hey?
00:13 nubbins` "man this sucks, all of our users are young wet hotties. we need some dick up in here"
00:13 ThickAsThieves yet no one is buying the real fuckbook for $1bn
00:14 ThickAsThieves this world...
00:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.003 = 0.15 BTC [-]
00:14 nubbins` TANJ
00:14 nubbins` hm, i wonder
00:14 nubbins` ;;ud tanj
00:14 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TANJ | TANJ. Expletive. Acronym for "There Ain't No Justice." Used like "damn" Also: tangit, tanjing, and other variations. Accredited to Larry Niven. TANJ! I left the oven ...
00:14 ozbot Urban Dictionary: TANJ
00:15 * nubbins` nods
00:15 nubbins` k, gonna try wall street. wish me wakefulness, it's late
00:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.003 = 0.3 BTC [-] {2}
00:22 ThickAsThieves https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP7tKS74H7I
00:22 ozbot Alleged Silk Road Founder's Mother Speaks Out - YouTube
00:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00095478 = 6.1106 BTC [+]
00:29 MisterE Tales From The Crypt++
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00:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.62303029 = 6.2303 BTC [-] {7}
00:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 271 @ 0.00314258 = 0.8516 BTC [+] {7}
00:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 105 @ 0.0031988 = 0.3359 BTC [+]
00:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.00553475 = 0.1384 BTC [-]
01:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8063 @ 0.00095253 = 7.6802 BTC [-]
01:14 benkay http://www.theverge.com/culture/2014/3/19/5475122/dark-arts-tumblr-cyberpunk-renaissance
01:14 ozbot Dark Arts | The Verge
01:29 VanCleef so Putin opened a new account at Rossiya and his monthly salary to be transferred there instead. lolz obama pwnd
01:42 MisterE Obama is so impotent
01:42 MisterE it's great to see for a change
01:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00094943 = 5.8865 BTC [-]
01:45 benkay http://fffff.at/gerry-images/
01:45 ozbot Gerry Images | F.A.T.
01:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0675 = 0.27 BTC [+]
01:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00095059 = 4.5628 BTC [+]
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02:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.61549767 = 11.079 BTC [-] {8}
02:21 chetty http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/24/barack-obama-visit-brussels-cost-belgium-10m
02:22 chetty they should revoke the guys passport
02:25 MisterE no person is worth that much
02:25 MisterE imagine if it was a black woman chetty :p
02:26 chetty well she is in china, also causing much trouble
02:27 MisterE http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/20/obama-ladies-touch-down-china-amid-taxpaid-trip-up/
02:27 ozbot Obama ladies touch down in China amid taxpayer uproar - Washington Times
02:27 MisterE heh you're on it
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02:47 MisterE Hmm wonder if Barbarians at the gate is any good
02:51 chetty http://asset-a.soup.io/asset/7046/5069_adb6_500.jpeg
02:54 MisterE ^ Found in Iraq
02:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00631877 = 0.3159 BTC [+]
02:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05974999 = 0.1195 BTC [-]
03:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13887 @ 0.00095236 = 13.2254 BTC [+] {3}
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03:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7632 @ 0.00095632 = 7.2986 BTC [+]
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03:50 KRS-One .bait
03:50 ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/5590643ce9e35b484ba42398fdb42137/tumblr_mf6zjdciKc1qdheiuo1_500.jpg
03:50 * KRS-One kicks ozbot.
03:50 * KRS-One shakes ozbot.
03:51 * KRS-One reboots ozbot.
03:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-]
03:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00095594 = 9.2726 BTC [-]
04:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00095632 = 10.0414 BTC [+]
04:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.0699999 = 0.98 BTC [+] {4}
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04:55 lnostdal password needed for the site? ( http://bitcoin-assets.com/ )
~ 26 minutes ~
05:21 chetty Inostdal: you should be able to go right to the logs with the topic links
05:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105 @ 0.00095594 = 0.1004 BTC [-]
05:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.6451 = 4.5157 BTC [+] {2}
05:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1590 @ 0.00300019 = 4.7703 BTC [-] {6}
05:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00094931 = 20.1254 BTC [-] {2}
05:56 B007 is everyone asleep
05:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MG] 1000 @ 0.000154 = 0.154 BTC [+]
05:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.NSA] 1000 @ 0.000156 = 0.156 BTC [+]
06:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.05550002 = 0.222 BTC [-] {3}
06:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.065 = 0.26 BTC [-] {3}
06:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.11950724 = 0.478 BTC [-] {3}
06:08 mircea_popescu ya kakobrekla one nao needs pw for http://bitcoin-assets.com/ ?
06:08 mircea_popescu lnostdal http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ seems to still work
06:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.0031 = 0.3007 BTC [+]
06:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00095148 = 19.3626 BTC [+] {2}
06:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00631877 = 0.3159 BTC [+]
06:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00095622 = 5.2114 BTC [+] {2}
06:27 B007 good morning
06:27 mircea_popescu hi
06:27 B007 sleep well?
06:28 mircea_popescu not bad
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06:44 davout mircea_popescu: admin//twocansandastring42
06:59 cazalla ;;seen tiberiusiv
06:59 gribble tiberiusiv was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 46 weeks, 0 days, 11 hours, 30 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <tiberiusiv> you cant read english paragraphs
07:00 cazalla ok, so he gave up
07:05 B007 http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=bitcoin
07:05 ozbot Google Trends
07:05 jurov cazalla he leveled through tiberiusv up to tiberiusxi
07:05 jurov and then he prolly gave up
07:05 jurov ;;seen tiberiusxi
07:05 gribble I have not seen tiberiusxi.
07:05 jurov ;;seen tiberiusxii
07:05 gribble I have not seen tiberiusxii.
07:05 jurov ;;seen tiberiusv
07:05 gribble I have not seen tiberiusv.
07:05 jurov or i remember badly?
07:06 mircea_popescu davout hm ?
07:14 davout mircea_popescu: "ya kakobrekla one nao needs pw for http://bitcoin-assets.com/ ?"
07:17 mircea_popescu a haha
07:17 mircea_popescu poor guy
07:17 mircea_popescu one small akismet and that's it
07:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12922 @ 0.00095235 = 12.3063 BTC [-]
07:22 B007 seems that price follows interest
07:23 mircea_popescu seems so.
07:36 VanCleef neat -
07:36 VanCleef Is Russia ready to cut up its plastic? After Visa and MasterCard stopped processing some Russian transactions in response to U.S. sanctions, Moscow says it could launch a homegrown payment system that could be ready in as little as six months
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07:53 blackwhite morning guys
07:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00095235 = 4.2856 BTC [-]
07:56 Diablo-D3 VanCleef: putincoin.
07:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0031 = 0.155 BTC [+]
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08:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07098998 = 1.1358 BTC [+] {2}
08:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.07007857 = 1.9622 BTC [-] {2}
08:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.07 = 1.54 BTC [-]
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08:36 nubbins` http://bitbet.us/bet/791/s-mg-above-2x-par-on-october-1st-2014/
08:36 ozbot BitBet - S.MG above 2x par on October 1st, 2014
08:36 nubbins` getting juicier
08:43 mircea_popescu $vwap s.mg
08:43 mpexbot mircea_popescu: S.MG 1 day: average: 0.000154 high: 0.000154 low: 0.000154 volume: 1050 btc: 0.1617 7 day: average: 0.00011355 high: 0.000154 low: 0.00010001 volume: 8050 btc: 0.9140788 30 day: average: 0.0001282 high: 0.000154 low: 0.00010001 volume: 13282 btc: 1.7026868
08:43 mircea_popescu month's volume is 1.7btc tho. someone could easily manipulate it
08:44 jurov hopefully it will ship before october
08:44 mircea_popescu “Assuming that insight will work with people who are unmotivated to change is a colossal misunderstanding."
08:44 jurov and volume goes up then
08:44 Neil mircea_popescu: MisterE no actually, betting both sides is the way to play. << I think, judging from the public histories on bitbet, that this is very poor advice. It seems that waiting pays; I think bitbet probably needs harsher time decay than linear.
08:45 mircea_popescu Neil seriously ? got any data to support this ?
08:45 jurov Neil, example?
08:45 Neil Which part? One at a time.
08:45 jurov "waiting pays"
08:45 mircea_popescu inasmuch as we're asking the same thing lol, youcan do both at a time
08:45 mircea_popescu poor advice/waiting pays/harsher than linear. pick one.
08:46 Neil I haven't seen a single example of anyone (same output address) betting on bitbet making money. There are numerous examples to the contrary.
08:46 Neil excuse me
08:46 mircea_popescu o.o
08:46 Neil betting both ways
08:46 mircea_popescu this seems completely irrelevant to the discussion
08:46 Neil Well that's 1 out of 2. So 50% sofar
08:46 Neil 50% isn't normally considered irrelevant
08:46 mircea_popescu much akin to saying "i've never seen anyone in a green tshirt depositing more money in the bank than they were taking out"
08:47 Neil OK, evidence to the contrary?
08:47 mircea_popescu evidence to the contrary of an unsupported thesis is not necessary.
08:47 Neil I rest my case.
08:47 mircea_popescu but i'm just saying, "same address" is an irrelevant selection here.
08:48 Mats_cd03 the burden of evidence lies on the individual making the claim
08:48 chetty would you use the same address to bet both sides?
08:48 Neil Adn the 8BTC bet at the last minute of the "16% bet" just in the last 24 hrs supports my other claim of "betting at the last minute, under linear decay, pays".
08:48 nubbins` mircea_popescu: that's the gamble. someone with pocket change could swing it either way
08:48 mircea_popescu Neil that's an outlier.
08:48 Neil So I happily await a refutation.
08:48 mircea_popescu obviously in a case where a 3 month bet was resolved in 4 days waiting pays o.O
08:48 mircea_popescu just as long as you don't wait more than 4 days
08:49 Neil mircea_popescu: Are you claiming some fudge for the first 4 days would fix it? You're smarter than that.
08:49 mircea_popescu no lol. i'm claiming that on the basis of picking some outliers you can't make general statements.
08:50 mircea_popescu "footwear should be made to support taller women because you should see this swede i'm dating"
08:50 jurov Neil that exact case would require manual intervention "o difficulty prediction is > 16% ? drop the weight sharply"
08:50 Neil I'll just say that, watching bitbet for a while, as I have, I feel waiting pays. It is my belief that it would benefit from faster decay.
08:50 mircea_popescu ok but it helps if you bolster that authority claim with actual data
08:50 jurov such meddling would be insane
08:51 mircea_popescu "on this set of 100 consecutive bets, the results for X behaviour are .1 and for Y behaviour are .04"
08:51 mircea_popescu that works.
08:51 Neil http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/
08:51 ozbot BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD
08:51 mircea_popescu it helps even more if you publish your method along the dataset, then op can apply it to other sets see if behaviour converges
08:52 mircea_popescu and so we're doing research rather than derpage.
08:52 Neil I am willing to bet an insane amount that 1K4Fs will lose on his two-way bet. And big-time.
08:52 mircea_popescu so... bet it ?
08:52 Neil It doesn't really matter how the chips land.
08:52 nubbins` ^^
08:52 mircea_popescu derivative bets. ftw.
08:52 Neil mircea_popescu: Don't be daft. One can't take the opposite of his bet.
08:53 mircea_popescu nono, you can make a derivative bet.
08:53 nubbins` The bet resolves as YES if 1K4Fs will lose on his two-way bet
08:53 Neil He paid a 1 BTC gratiuity to bitbet to let later bettors enjoy some free beers.
08:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.068 = 0.136 BTC [+]
08:54 mircea_popescu ;;calc 99886*57.00000000/7186081 * 367.70
08:54 gribble 291.327176162
08:54 mircea_popescu unless i'm doing this badly, should the bet come out as yes he's making ~300 btc
08:54 Neil mircea_popescu: A big, and time-dependent, "if".
08:55 mircea_popescu uh
08:55 Neil Let's wait and see. I'm quite happy to do so.
08:55 mircea_popescu but it reduces to his either winning or losing the bet
08:55 mircea_popescu which... i have no idea what that's supposed to prove ?
08:55 chetty isn't IF what betting is all about?
08:55 Neil I don't think it matters what happens. No way is he winning 100 BTC.
08:56 mircea_popescu ;;calc 99886*42.00000000/28156083 * 74.78
08:56 gribble 11.1421021653
08:56 Neil (initial stake)
08:56 mircea_popescu so he's bet 99 btc, is insured for 11 btc (currently) and stands to gain 291 currently.
08:57 mircea_popescu this seems reasonably ok. and if more people gang on yes, his 291 diminishes but his insurance increases
08:57 mircea_popescu suppose there's a 500 btc bet on yes
08:57 Neil Is it Atoi or something similar has done similar both-way bets on bitbet quite a lot? Each one lost, which is to be expected, given my claim that waiting pays.
08:58 mircea_popescu but this is neither here nor there, much like the green shirt in bank thing
08:58 mircea_popescu you can select any arbitrary pair of yes/no bets and pretend they're made by the same person
08:58 mircea_popescu for all you know, this is actually true.
08:58 nubbins` The bet resolves as YES if the man in the bank is wearing a green shirt
08:59 Neil mircea_popescu: Given your stake in the process I don't expect you to agree with me. But I think the facts speak for themselves. If someone believes 2-way betting pays they're welcome to continue doing it.
08:59 mircea_popescu the trouble is that i'm not disagreeing with you, i'm discussing those facts.
08:59 mircea_popescu and it'd seem they're not really that factual.
08:59 mircea_popescu but this aside : why would you figure my stake would *prevent* me from agreeing with the facts ?
08:59 Neil OK. One example to the contrary will suffice. Happy to post 1 example to support my position.
08:59 mircea_popescu seems logically the other way around
09:00 VanCleef erm i thought rockminer was ipoing tomorrow noon china time and they just announce that the ipo is already over and all shares have sold
09:00 VanCleef what a load of bs
09:00 Mats_cd03 lol
09:00 mircea_popescu Neil are you aware that the house wins on some bets ?
09:01 Neil mircea_popescu: But of course. I'm not stupid. The 16% is a good example: the house wins the more people rationally take all that is available "for (near) free".
09:01 mircea_popescu nono you don't take my meaning
09:01 mircea_popescu the house bets BOTH SIDES on ALL BETS
09:01 Neil When everyone scraps over the leftovers the house takes the fee.
09:01 mircea_popescu during some months it comes AHEAD, which means the dual-betting system actually works.
09:01 Neil Yeah that just gets it started, and one is given to the bet originator, so it's not the house really.
09:01 mircea_popescu this is a larger dataset than one example.
09:02 mircea_popescu this hardly weakens my point...
09:02 Mats_cd03 i just read the copy on rockminer.com
09:02 Neil 50% doesn't weaken the point? OK.
09:02 mircea_popescu it would win EVEN MORE if it kept both sides.
09:02 mircea_popescu duh?
09:02 Mats_cd03 dude can handle running a bidness but cant hire a fluent english speaker
09:02 VanCleef just another scam
09:03 mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 spam is not misspelled because the spammers can't hire editors. spam is misspelled because that selects for idiots, and they are looking for idiots (false positives are very expensive for them)
09:03 Neil mircea_popescu: I'm still waiting for your counterexample to my claim.
09:03 Mats_cd03 or pay attention in english class, apparently
09:03 Mats_cd03 you may be right mircea_popescu
09:03 mircea_popescu i think you'll have to re-read this later because i can't produce examples if you randomly reject examples.
09:04 VanCleef http://gadgets.ndtv.com/internet/news/first-bitcoin-derivative-announced-by-tera-exchange-499997
09:04 ozbot First Bitcoin derivative announced by Tera Exchange | NDTV Gadgets
09:04 Neil I don't have anything against bitbet. I like the site. Just saying it how I see it.
09:04 mircea_popescu well no problem, but what you're saying doesn't actually make sense.
09:04 Neil OK :) Whatever.
09:04 asciilifeform spam is misspelled because that selects for idiots << novel hypothesis. traditional thought holds that it is to evade (or, optionally, throw out of calibration) bayesian filter.
09:04 Mats_cd03 can you demonstrate why linear decay is inappropriate, and why exponential (or w.e) decay is appropriate?
09:04 mircea_popescu VanCleef you know we lolled at that shit like five times already, getting stale.
09:05 Mats_cd03 besides, you know, your intuition
09:05 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that hypothesis was only seriously considered by the baesian cultists.
09:05 asciilifeform (of course, a well-written filter just locks on to characteristic mis-spellings...)
09:05 VanCleef sorry still a bit new to me
09:05 VanCleef i guess its a joke
09:05 mircea_popescu VanCleef jus' grep the log, it's there
09:06 mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 Neil not that there's anything wrong with intuition, it's how great things start. it still has to be actually checked with data.
09:08 nubbins` asciilifeform: i always questioned why spammers thought I'd consider an email hawking "v1agr4" as a legitimate source for prescription medication
09:08 nubbins` there might be something to this
09:09 nubbins` mouth-breathers of the world, meantime, think "hmm, i could use d1ck p1ll5..."
09:09 nubbins` "i'd love to turn my peanut into a banana" etc
09:10 asciilifeform meanwhile,
09:10 asciilifeform http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/25/justice/one-world-trade-center-jump-stunt
09:10 ozbot Four men arrested in One World Trade Center jump stunt - CNN.com
09:10 mircea_popescu and what's good for people who really believe "make mone yat home by cashing these checks" and "inhearitence!!!" is also good for... "investors"
09:10 asciilifeform anyone remember mathias rust ?
09:10 Neil mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/ 16tA0 (apologies for remebering wrong above) bets 11 and 8 (19 total) gets less than 14 back. I claim that is typical, and can support with more examples. Can you give me even one example of a two-way bet like this, for similar amounts in size, that was a profit for the bettor?
09:10 mircea_popescu can't say as a ido
09:10 mircea_popescu Neil why, yes, i can. here :
09:11 Neil (i.e. where yes and no bets were simliar in size)
09:11 asciilifeform ;;google mathias rust
09:11 gribble Mathias Rust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathias_Rust>; Kremlin Caper: Mathias Rust's Landing on Red Square | People ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wue02Y0lS38>; BBC News - Mathias Rust: German teenager who flew to Red Square: <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20609795>
09:11 mircea_popescu a) bitbet house bets both sides on all bets, always ; b) in spite of giving away one of the addresses, bitbet house still actually makes bank some months, and overall is just about even ; c) ergo, double betting can be productive.
09:12 asciilifeform http://www.pri.org/stories/2012-12-07/remembering-mathias-rusts-flight-red-square
09:12 ozbot Remembering Mathias Rust's Flight to Red Square | Public Radio International
09:12 mircea_popescu obviously if bitbet house simply kept both addreses it'd actually be ahead by now. which makes it a fine example of how you can make money betting both sides early.
09:12 mircea_popescu an example which is put there deliberately, by design, by me,
09:12 mircea_popescu and an example which people still have difficulty following
09:12 mircea_popescu (not that i mind, i guess, more btc for me)
09:12 Neil A bettor other than bitbet. Bitbet gives one side to the originator of course, so I don't even understand your example. Of course, you may have smart decision makers who decide whether a given proposition is more likely to turn out + or -, but that's beside the point. Real-life non-bibet bettor in size (say > 0.5 BTC each side)? Just one example?
09:13 mircea_popescu well try to understand it.
09:13 mircea_popescu rather than simply discard it.
09:13 Neil I'm trying hard to understand somehting that doesn't exist. Waiting for proof.
09:13 mircea_popescu well ok, this'll have to wait then.
09:14 mircea_popescu meanwhile, here's a girly with snow on her tits
09:14 mircea_popescu http://31.media.tumblr.com/88592d7877ee342801c347b98a0d2038/tumblr_mm1dl2X38s1s0ryyvo1_500.jpg
09:14 asciilifeform 'Four New York-area men were arrested Monday after a base jumping stunt from atop One World Trade Center in September, police said. James Brady, Kyle Hartwell, Marko Markovich, and Andrew Rossig have been charged with burglary, reckless endangerment and jumping from a structure, according to a statement issued by NYPD Commissioner William Bratton.'
09:14 VanCleef mmmmi'd liek to pee on those tits
09:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i recall a us that'd have just laughed.
09:15 asciilifeform 1987: 'Eventually, Rust saw Moscow. At first, he wanted to land in the Kremlin. But then he decided to try to land in Red Square, which was full of people... Rust was soon arrested, and convicted of illegally crossing the Soviet Border, and "hooliganism." He was sentenced to four years in prison. The case caused quite a stir in Russia. For a while, Red Square was jokingly referred to as Moscow's "third airport
09:15 asciilifeform ."'
09:15 mircea_popescu why so serious, soviet ?
09:16 mircea_popescu aha. perrrfect reference then
09:16 VanCleef do you like ethereum mircea or na?
09:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62015 = 1.2403 BTC [-] {2}
09:16 mircea_popescu VanCleef i dun see why it'd be useful.
09:19 asciilifeform elsewhere,
09:19 asciilifeform http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/ukrainians-on-verge-of-nervous-breakdown.html
09:19 ozbot ClubOrlov: Ukrainians on the verge of a nervous breakdown
09:20 asciilifeform 'ever-amusing Russian Liberal Democrat leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky has proposed dividing up Western Ukraine between Poland, Hungary and Romania. Poland quickly responded that it has no interest in annexing former Eastern Poland. I can't blame them.'
09:20 jurov yes i put that here yest, complete with map
09:20 VanCleef lol nervous breakdown
09:23 jurov yes, the politics around here tends to get divorced from reality
09:24 jurov in slovakia the main topic was protection of traditional family recently, including changing the constitution
09:24 jurov war imminent on our doorstep? dun have time for that
09:24 Neil mircea_popescu: So regarding http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/ and our friend 1K4Fs, I'd be happy to bet real BTC that 1K4Fs loses money regardless of outcome. It's extremely likely (>90%) and given an integral of payoff against probability, I think it's clear betting both ways is a losing proposition. Well, to me at least, which is all that matters.
09:27 mircea_popescu Neil so make a bet.
09:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 42 @ 0.11950724 = 5.0193 BTC [-]
09:27 Neil mircea_popescu: But it's only you on the other side. What do you suggest?
09:28 Neil Evens?
09:28 mircea_popescu i suggest you make a bitbet, as you describe it, and ima bet a little myself.
09:28 mircea_popescu and whoever else wants to
09:28 Neil A bitbet on a bitbet?
09:28 mircea_popescu hmm jurov you getting pms ?
09:28 mircea_popescu Neil hence my "derivative bets ftw"
09:28 mircea_popescu i dun see the problem with it, seems a legitimate controversy.
09:28 jurov not from you seems
09:29 Neil But I'd want to bet 5 BTC against reasonable odds, and bitbet doesn't offer that. Only you can.
09:30 Neil *silence*
09:32 mircea_popescu o you want fixed odds ?
09:32 Neil Well that depends on what they are. That 1K4Fs makes money right?
09:32 mircea_popescu well yeah
09:32 mircea_popescu but then i'd have to hedge it somehow because clearly it's contingent on how the bet plays out.
09:33 Neil Well you wouldn't be able to hedge it, but it's off-market price.
09:33 Neil Which is my point.
09:33 Neil s/but/because/
09:33 mircea_popescu i'll take even odds on the proposition that 1k4fs makes money *irrespective* of result
09:34 mircea_popescu but that's impossib le to ascertain
09:34 mircea_popescu unless you're happy with a (291 + 11)/2 > 99
09:34 Neil How so? It's easy to ascertain from the final result whether dude made money or not.
09:35 mircea_popescu derp
09:35 mircea_popescu so just because he went on long odds you're telling me bitbet is broken ? dude wanted the long odds, what can i say
09:35 Neil mircea_popescu: My claim and offer stands. Let's leave it at that. :)
09:36 mircea_popescu but your claim mostly consists of a large "bitcoin wont be over 10k" leg with a tiny "this other thing" leg
09:36 mircea_popescu you can take most of that out on the market as is.
09:37 Neil mircea_popescu: Happy to entertain any other bet, of over 0.5 BTC per side, where someone has bet both ways. I'm not holding my breath, given the performance so far...
09:37 Neil (bet over 0.5 both ways that is)
09:37 nubbins` hmm
09:37 nubbins` so, say, betting 10btc on one side and 0.6btc on the other would fit the criteria?
09:37 mircea_popescu why over .5 ?!
09:38 Neil nubbins`: I'd prefer more evenly weighted. The 0.5 was to eliminate trash.
09:38 nubbins` Neil: well, what, equal amounts on both sides? within 10%?
09:38 nubbins` list your conditions!
09:39 nubbins` let's create some specs here
09:39 mircea_popescu trash o.O
09:39 mircea_popescu statistics is always abused ;/
09:39 * nubbins` rolls a garbage can around -assets collecting amounts < 0.5
09:39 nubbins` free this time, next pick-up you gotta pay
09:39 Neil Where the minimum is 0.5 and where larger size is no more than double smaller size, with > 1 month to go sounds OK, but would like a concrete example before finally comitting
09:41 Neil I think my point stands though - anyone who has bet 2-ways for "decent" size has lost. I have several examples and haven't seen a single counterexample.
09:42 Neil The dude betting 100 BTC both ways on some coin toss was a great specimen of how not to make money on bitbet.
09:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 43 @ 0.05338906 = 2.2957 BTC [-] {3}
09:43 mircea_popescu that we readily agree. coin toss and weight doesn't mix
09:43 mircea_popescu should have not put weight on that bet.
09:43 Neil mircea_popescu: Though I think he actually got some contra bets late in the game, which meant he came out near break-even, by luck of said coin toss!
09:44 mircea_popescu i suppose in a way it was a gamble, guy risked 2 btc on the theory "bitbet bettors are idiots"
09:44 mircea_popescu he got to pay the house 2 btc for this presumption
09:45 mircea_popescu as he should. all is well.
09:45 Neil Not so smart. I wouldn't bet that.
09:45 mircea_popescu all the other smarter-than-life players ended up in the same bin.
09:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00095177 = 4.4733 BTC [-]
09:45 Neil But I'd also support anyone's right to bet that...
09:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 19 @ 0.11950724 = 2.2706 BTC [-]
09:46 Neil "You" talk about the dynamic of bitbet settling to reasonable odds, but a counterpoint is the example fo the recent 200 BTC bet on the 10k USD bet.
09:46 mircea_popescu why is that a counterpoint ?
09:47 Neil The outcome odds before and after are massively different. But both stuck.
09:47 mircea_popescu so ?
09:47 Neil (i.e. no new bets have come in to counterbalance). I don't believe the "market" odds moved that much overnight. Friction is high.
09:47 mircea_popescu well ok you don't believe
09:48 mircea_popescu but i mean what's in a belief
09:48 Neil The Berkshire bet is another example, I think. The odds are higher that 3% (perhaps 15%) but friction prevents realization.
09:48 Neil than
09:48 mircea_popescu what friction is that ?
09:48 mircea_popescu bitcoin is frictionless.
09:49 Neil Friction of trusting a dude with the initials MP, friction of knowing the bet exists and the odds, friction of knowing the odds can change underneath you, friction of tying your money up for 1 year, ... I could go on.
09:50 mircea_popescu you could, but i'd shrug
09:50 Neil Friction of getting into "frictionless" bitcoin.
09:50 mircea_popescu this is like telling me friction prevents wallstreet from pricing gold, because fucktards in namibia have no ws access
09:50 mircea_popescu who in carnation cares.
09:50 Neil Then please explain how 200 BTC come in, and nothing else happens.
09:50 mircea_popescu what am i, god ?
09:51 mircea_popescu i have no idea.
09:51 mircea_popescu but i can't dispute the facts on the basis of my own opinion either.
09:51 Neil Clearly the market is thin. No, I have no idea either, but clearly there are limits in our fun little world. Which is good :)
09:51 mircea_popescu so were the implied odds wrong before or are the implied odds wrong now ?
09:52 Neil Both, clearly.
09:52 mircea_popescu if anything, the fascinating thing with that 200 is that it didn't land on the no side of berkshire
09:52 Neil But bid-offer is too high.
09:52 mircea_popescu which... you'd think that's a massive attractor
09:52 Neil Apparently not.
09:53 mircea_popescu so then... what, the guy with 200 didn't know about berkshire ?
09:53 Neil mircea_popescu: So, somehting I've wondered. Do the "bitbet" terms at MPEX prevent bitbet branching out into other revenue streams?
09:53 mircea_popescu or couldn't trust mp or couldn't lock his btc up for months ?
09:53 mircea_popescu Neil specifically ?
09:53 Neil Suppose bitbet decided to do fixed odds betting (taking on risk on the house). Is that "within the spec"?
09:53 mircea_popescu can't do that as a zero asset corp.
09:54 Neil So you're saying no?
09:54 mircea_popescu the correct way for this to work would be for someone (respected and competent as a bookie) to start a fund
09:54 mircea_popescu and do his bitbet bets and report revenue
09:54 Neil Sure. I respect you believe that.
09:54 mircea_popescu basically the business of the bookie equals the actual bookie.
09:54 mircea_popescu it
09:54 Neil But as a random Joe sixpack reading the specs, and not knowing who you are etc., it's not really clear how bitbet can evolve, indeed even if it can.
09:55 mircea_popescu s one of those, like plastic surgery or massage
09:55 Neil Which isn't to imply it doesn't have a great future.
09:55 mircea_popescu well evolution and morphing aren't the same thing.
09:55 mircea_popescu people keep changing things randomly because of this unwarranted and unwelcome expectation that "new and therefore better"
09:55 mircea_popescu irl doens't work that way.
09:56 Neil So as a prospective investor, given the terms, I'm thinking "Where can this go, how can it expand?" And it seems limited. Which may not be a bad thing.
09:56 mircea_popescu expansion in that sense is not useful for an investor.
09:57 Neil Walking down a one-way street isn't useful either.
09:57 Neil Not saying it is.
09:57 Neil Just saying "where's the flexibility"?
09:57 mircea_popescu nothing forces you into a 100% bitbet portofolio.
09:57 Neil Of course.
09:57 mircea_popescu but consider this : suppose tomorrow some great[ly idiotic] new manager takes over from me, and decides to expand bitbet by buying wynn hotels.
09:58 mircea_popescu the forums will be extremely excited at this development.
09:58 mircea_popescu this obviously will force a modification o the contract, making bitbet a nz0 now.
09:58 mircea_popescu this also means the share will go up, say 100x
09:58 mircea_popescu and it finally means that about 70% of that value is actual assets.
09:59 Neil Trying to understand what's "in-scope" and what isn't. I personally don't think it's clear. I respect your desire to run a clean, auditable (via blockchain) operation. But the future isn't clear at all, to me anyway.
09:59 mircea_popescu then two years later wynn hotels hit a slow patch, get sold for scrap
09:59 mircea_popescu investor has gone from this position where he realises gains each month
09:59 mircea_popescu to this position where he jsut lost a good 90% of his value
09:59 Neil Sure, no argument at all.
09:59 mircea_popescu so what's in scope is running the court system of bitcoin
09:59 Neil I'm not disputing the setup, I actually like it.
09:59 davout mircea_popescu: how would bb buy anything in the first place ?
09:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37900 @ 0.00095177 = 36.0721 BTC [-] {2}
09:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00012798 = 0.6399 BTC [-] {7}
09:59 mircea_popescu what isn't in scope is anything else.
09:59 Neil I want to understand better what can happen.
10:00 mircea_popescu davout hypotetical hypoteticals are hypopotami
10:01 davout mircea_popescu: doesn't your argument boil down to : "assets are risky because they can depreciate" ?
10:02 mircea_popescu the argument boils down to "fully distributed, non-asset hodling btc corps are a better risk class"
10:02 mircea_popescu which they are.
10:02 jayk oh
10:02 mircea_popescu not saying asset-holding is bad for all time or anything, but it is riskier.
10:04 davout tbh that sounds more like your opinion than an argument
10:04 mircea_popescu well ok.
10:04 mircea_popescu which part, the different risk class part or the sorting of the classes part ?
10:04 davout your evaluation of the relative risk
10:05 mircea_popescu yeah that part is my opinion.
10:05 nubbins` http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/18-month-sentence-for-inmate-involved-in-hmp-riot-1.2584421
10:05 ozbot 18-month sentence for inmate involved in HMP riot - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
10:05 nubbins` "In the end, the rioters traded the sole hostage in exchange for two cigarettes before surrendering to police."
10:05 davout imho ZA corps are quite vulnerable to issues related to management since basically the management *is* the company
10:05 mircea_popescu davout which makes the bad actors quickly visible
10:05 davout there's also the bus factor
10:05 nubbins` they have buses in romania?!
10:05 mircea_popescu asset-based corps dampen management incompetence, allowing outright thieves to run for a longer time than the yshou;d
10:05 mircea_popescu bitcointalk is full of examples.
10:06 davout but i do agree that the improvement of natural selection is a good thing
10:06 davout i agree with that
10:06 mircea_popescu davout from what i recall, some random idiot opining was claiming that getting the average bitcoin exchange at the safety rate of the average human would be a great gain in security.
10:07 novusordo i'm having trouble with coming up with any good examples of non-asset holding corps preceding bitcoin
10:07 asciilifeform safety rate of the average human << ?
10:07 mircea_popescu supported by evidence this strange view oif his, seeing how bitcoin exchanges have the life expectancy of trisomic neonates
10:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah something based on how likely it is for the avg 20yo to bite it
10:09 mircea_popescu somehow not mentioning micromorts or anything
10:09 mircea_popescu because you know, little train engines that can, these people.
10:09 asciilifeform i suppose it also matters what is meant by death. i.e. many fiat corps would become fiat corpses, and rather indistinguishable from gox, if disconnected from usg printer.
10:09 mircea_popescu that part wasn't covered.
10:10 nubbins` http://www.thefloatingworld.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/LSD-cat-700px.jpg
10:10 mircea_popescu novusordo yeah, i believe this is a mpex innovation.
10:13 davout mircea_popescu: who was arguing that ?
10:13 nubbins` http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/cash-theft-from-rnc-locker-remains-unsolved-1.2585148
10:13 ozbot Cash theft from RNC locker remains unsolved - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
10:13 nubbins` GOOD TO KNOW
10:13 mircea_popescu eh we discussed here a little bit back lemme see
10:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07299999 = 0.365 BTC [+] {3}
10:15 Mats_cd03 lol nubbins` blotter?
10:15 nubbins` nod :D
10:15 nubbins` unsoaked, natch
10:16 Mats_cd03 after you lay it, get close and take a deep breath
10:16 Mats_cd03 is the cats meow
10:17 mircea_popescu davout well i can't find it now. some kid from the "community" of self-proclaimed experts wrote some sort of article/"white paper" on how bitcoin exchanges should do x y z to get their risk of blowing up in line with the risk of the average 20yo getting hit by a bus
10:18 davout sounds interdasting
10:18 mircea_popescu davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2014#563385
10:18 mircea_popescu smarter people than me halping.
10:19 davout mircea_popescu: thank you kind sir
10:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00095177 = 3.3312 BTC [-]
10:19 Mats_cd03 that paste doesnt exist anymore
10:19 davout aw the paste is gone
10:19 mircea_popescu talktotat.
10:20 nubbins` Mats_cd03: would actually be a neat business to get into, supplying blotter paper
10:20 mircea_popescu it was stupid anyway
10:20 nubbins` a tough nut to crack tho, for sure
10:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21218 @ 0.00095315 = 20.2239 BTC [+] {4}
10:20 davout didn't know gox hosted some pastie-clone as well
10:20 mircea_popescu nubbins` isn't it traditionally reserved for the girlfriend of the chemist making the dope ?
10:20 Mats_cd03 as i understand it, the best market are the sr clones
10:20 Mats_cd03 ^is
10:21 nubbins` mircea_popescu: as it happens, the best i've tried has been white-on-white (no design at all)
10:21 nubbins` Mats_cd03: i haven't been keeping track of the clones at all
10:21 ThickAsThieves http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2014/03/24/color-rotsnake_custom-d48b779a38b868da75a48c9b1e7e5515a0a644cd-s40-c85.gif
10:22 nubbins` my eyes
10:22 ThickAsThieves you now have the visually transmitted virus
10:22 nubbins` mircea_popescu: for that matter, i don't think the chemist generally lays the blotter at all
10:22 Mats_cd03 me neither, although it makes sense - its not actually illegal in a lot of jurisdictions (the paper, anyway)
10:22 nubbins` simply produces vials of liquid
10:23 nubbins` Mats_cd03: plenty of blotter art on ebay, even
10:23 mircea_popescu s/chemist/whoever lays
10:23 nubbins` lots of alex grey and r. crumb
10:24 nubbins` crumb's artwork is cool, burns me out
10:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07299999 = 0.292 BTC [+]
10:25 nubbins` http://theartofattraxion.com/works/robert-crumbs-history-of-women/
10:25 ozbot Robert Crumb’s History of Women « TheArtofAttraxion X Because your body is a canvas.
10:25 mircea_popescu ;;google a crumb of frisco
10:25 gribble Crumb N Get It Cookie Factory - Frisco, Texas - Bakery | Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/crumbngetitcookiefactory>; 12 State Farm Agents in Frisco, Texas: <https://www.statefarm.com/agent/US/TX/FRISCO>; Agents in Frisco, CO - State Farm Insurance: <https://www.statefarm.com/agent/US/CO/FRISCO>
10:25 mircea_popescu darn son.
10:26 novusordo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=528464.msg5891852#msg5891852 lol
10:26 ozbot ROCKMINER - miners using GEN3 ASICMINER chips
10:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.05278955 = 1.003 BTC [-] {2}
10:28 asciilifeform http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-24/banker-suicides-leave-industry-concerned-as-coroners-investigate.html
10:28 kakobrekla too much chemtrails
10:28 Mats_cd03 lol
10:28 mircea_popescu http://theartofattraxion.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/robert-crumb-history-of-women-w-magazine-3-1.jpg
10:28 mircea_popescu i believe the guy never saw a russ meyer film.
10:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.068 = 0.204 BTC [+]
10:29 nubbins` http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8142/7471348400_d84ea92e46_o.jpg
10:30 nubbins` "R. Crumb's ideal woman: the 'true amazon'"
10:30 mircea_popescu lmao at all this "genetically superior both physically and mentally"
10:30 mircea_popescu then you're regaled something from the roadside freakshwo cca 1905
10:30 mircea_popescu srsly nao, caliban is never smart. ever.
10:31 mircea_popescu caliban is subhuman.
10:31 Mats_cd03 hahaha
10:31 nubbins` heh
10:31 nubbins` crumb is fucked
10:31 nubbins` he's published books full of shit like this
10:31 nubbins` check this one: http://rottenindenmark.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/img_4989.jpg
10:32 mircea_popescu nubbins` http://trilema.com/2009/un-crumb-de-frisco/
10:32 nubbins` HEH
10:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.62006666 = 3.7204 BTC [-] {2}
10:34 nubbins` http://www.badgirlchats.com/wp-content/uploads/R-Crumb-image.jpeg
10:34 nubbins` anyway, re: crumb blotter art: http://blotterart.com/ProductImages/grabbies-orange-blotter-art.jpg
10:38 * jurov saves the crumbs woman to later delight of his lesbian friends
10:39 jurov they know how to appreciate true womanhood
10:41 nubbins` crumb took a lotta flak over the years
10:47 mircea_popescu aren't they a little... porky ?
10:47 mircea_popescu i like big women too, but these seem big in all the wrong ways in all the wrong places.
10:48 kakobrekla www.uvm.edu/~iwd/images08/venuswillindorflarge.jpg
10:49 nubbins` he likes Women
10:49 nubbins` capital-W
10:49 nubbins` birthing hips etc
10:50 nubbins` you'll find a lot of crumb fans do as well
10:51 asciilifeform http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2014/03/24/color-rotsnake_custom-d48b779a38b868da75a48c9b1e7e5515a0a644cd-s40-c85.gif << what does it say about me brain if i can... make it stand still
10:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46600 @ 0.00095528 = 44.516 BTC [+] {5}
10:53 nubbins` it means you'd make a good sniper
10:54 mircea_popescu nubbins` gotta have that narrow waist etc.
10:54 mircea_popescu all these folks looking for a mom.
10:55 nubbins` ^
10:55 nubbins` gazing upward with hope and joy in their eyes
10:56 nubbins` o, to die beneath her fists!
10:58 asciilifeform 'don't run from sniper, you'll only die tired' (american folk saying)
11:04 rithm i'm just glad my computer works today
11:04 rithm 3rd one this year
11:05 rithm bitcoin be killin those encrypted ~ partitions
11:09 novusordo so apparently the trezor has a better recovery system than I thought
11:10 novusordo if you take a factory-fresh trezor and you have a bip32 wallet you'd like to put on it
11:10 novusordo it prompts you to enter the words from the bip32 phrase out of order
11:11 novusordo and also prompts to enter random words between the actual ones
11:11 asciilifeform novusordo: what prompts? last i saw, 'trezor' had no keyboard
11:11 novusordo the screen will say something like "enter word 1"
11:11 asciilifeform enter using what?
11:11 asciilifeform morse?
11:12 novusordo keyboard
11:12 novusordo on the host computer
11:12 asciilifeform aha.
11:12 novusordo hence why such a recovery system is needed
11:14 asciilifeform novusordo: what does trezor look like to host machine? tty ?
11:16 novusordo not sure, haven't gotten mine to play with yet
11:18 MisterE wow that sparked quite the debate about bitbet
11:20 MisterE Bitbet about outcome of 1K4Fs bitbet!
11:21 MisterE Or make it for 2/3 bets where a bettor is betting both sides.
11:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.00303 = 0.1454 BTC [+]
11:27 thestringpuller Betting boths sides is a way to adjust exposure? How is that controversial?
11:28 thestringpuller adjust exposure before time-weight effects...
11:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07125005 = 0.1425 BTC [-] {2}
11:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00298 = 0.1132 BTC [-]
11:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00095373 = 9.728 BTC [-]
11:33 mircea_popescu i dunno.
11:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00095355 = 7.5807 BTC [-]
11:39 mircea_popescu http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130615094529AAJ01dh
11:39 ozbot My wife was raped my four men. I can't live or be with her with that on my mind. I have to leave her
11:39 mircea_popescu yahoo's pretty good for trollage apparently
11:40 chetty http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-25/what-bank-run-china-looks-hundreds-rush-banks-following-solvency-rumors
11:40 ozbot What A Bank Run In China Looks Like: Hundreds Rush To Banks Following Solvency Rumors | Zero Hedge
11:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00305 = 0.1525 BTC [+]
11:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00088874 = 0.1777 BTC [-]
11:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05436663 = 0.1631 BTC [-] {3}
11:48 benkay http://amultiverse.com/comic/2010/08/23/the-crystalline-entity/
11:48 ozbot Scenes From A Multiverse » The Crystalline Entity
11:49 benkay also relevant to Bitcoin: http://amultiverse.com/comic/2010/08/24/welcome-to-the-deathzones/
11:55 Mats_cd03 http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory lol
11:55 ozbot Chemtrail conspiracy theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
11:56 mike_c paging BingoBoingo: http://bitbet.us/bet/796/an-eastern-conference-team-will-win-the-nba/ let's get some action!
11:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.19917759 BTC to 4`379 shares, 50221 satoshi per share
12:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.05223833 = 0.4701 BTC [-] {6}
12:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 50.50848075 BTC to 4`379 shares, 1153425 satoshi per share
12:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.05182727 = 0.5701 BTC [-] {4}
12:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.05717695 = 0.5146 BTC [-] {7}
12:06 blackwhite_ whats a good primer on currency/money? Any book recomendations
12:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.0675 = 0.6075 BTC [+]
12:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62988799 BTC [+]
12:09 thestringpuller what has the government done with our money
12:10 thestringpuller by
12:10 thestringpuller murray rothbard
12:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0529 = 0.1587 BTC [-]
12:11 mircea_popescu perhaps the least understood topic under the sun
12:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07100021 = 0.213 BTC [-]
12:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.07054545 = 1.552 BTC [-] {3}
12:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0056283 = 0.1407 BTC [+]
12:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.0645 = 0.5805 BTC [-]
12:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-]
12:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0056283 = 0.1126 BTC [+]
12:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.10144642 = 3.0434 BTC [-]
12:17 benkay kakobrekla, mircea_popescu: where's the bitbet api again?
12:18 BingoBoingo mike_c: You know I dun really do the basketball thing http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/13/an-overview-of-betable-sports-part-2-basketball/
12:18 mike_c benkay: there's a json feed by tacking ?json on the end of the bet url
12:18 kakobrekla benkay http://bitbet.us/bet/786/xyz/?json
12:18 kakobrekla or without xyz as well
12:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.05068334 = 0.6082 BTC [-] {6}
12:19 mircea_popescu better w/o the xyz
12:20 the20year3 man these banks are idiots
12:20 the20year3 Put an offer on a house about 3-4 weeks ago, telling them we could close in a week
12:20 mike_c BingoBoingo: but no point shaving possible here, just 5:1 odds on the eastern conference. that's a good bet.
12:20 the20year3 Got a email back the 13th from the bank saying "We are ready to close" , the contract's closing date was the 24th as requested by the bank. 24th has come and gone and still no closing
12:21 BingoBoingo mike_c: I Mr. Stern still the commissioner?
12:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [-]
12:21 mike_c only for like 2 more months
12:21 mike_c oh nvm, stern left Feb. 1
12:22 mircea_popescu mike_c pm
12:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0501 = 0.1503 BTC [-]
12:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.06 = 0.18 BTC [+]
12:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.10144642 = 0.3043 BTC [-]
12:22 mike_c mircea_popescu: didn't get it..
12:22 BingoBoingo I'm still iffy on the whole NBA thing. Might as well open a bet on who wins the whole Wrestlemania thing.
12:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0496 = 0.1984 BTC [-] {2}
12:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.06 = 0.24 BTC [+]
12:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.10144642 = 0.913 BTC [-] {2}
12:23 mike_c hah. nothing wrong with that either :) unless vince mcmahon has some bitcoin
12:24 benkay kakobrekla: is there a convenient way to get a list of all resolved bets besides scrolling down the search page?
12:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.05649999 = 0.8475 BTC [-] {3}
12:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.05 = 0.35 BTC [+] {2}
12:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.10144642 = 0.7101 BTC [-] {2}
12:24 BingoBoingo Still doesn't fit with risk profiles I find betable. You never know who has Bitcoin.
12:24 kakobrekla closed bets rss fee perhaps?
12:24 kakobrekla feed
12:25 kakobrekla sorry, the resolved rss feed
12:25 benkay resolved rss only returns a few recently resolved bet
12:25 benkay bets*
12:25 kakobrekla theres no 'closed' feed
12:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.10144642 = 1.0145 BTC [-]
12:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05253333 = 0.3152 BTC [-] {4}
12:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-]
12:25 benkay and i'm not seeing any pagination handles in the 'resolved' rss
12:25 BingoBoingo http://www.bnd.com/2014/03/25/3127475/postal-workers-intercept-drugs.html
12:25 ozbot Postal workers intercept drugs mailed to metro-east | Top Stories | News Democrat
12:26 kakobrekla myea
12:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07 = 0.56 BTC [-] {2}
12:26 kakobrekla i guess we need some ?json on /browse/
12:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4383 @ 0.00012319 = 0.5399 BTC [-] {13}
12:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1137 @ 0.00012324 = 0.1401 BTC [+] {3}
12:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-]
12:28 benkay well
12:28 benkay "need"
12:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [-]
12:29 kakobrekla perhaps the easiest way is to just loop through the ids going from 1 to whatever
12:29 kakobrekla and you will get them all
12:30 kakobrekla the status of the bet is in json
12:30 benkay now that's usin the noggin
12:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 45 @ 0.10144642 = 4.5651 BTC [-]
12:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22029 @ 0.00095125 = 20.9551 BTC [-] {2}
12:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07 = 0.42 BTC [-]
12:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
12:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3161 @ 0.00095048 = 3.0045 BTC [-]
12:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0486 = 0.243 BTC [-] {2}
12:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0499 = 0.2495 BTC [+]
12:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0503996 = 0.1512 BTC [+] {3}
12:54 the20year3 aaaah , buyer package is here
12:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00094983 = 14.2949 BTC [-] {2}
13:01 pankkake I am transferring my data from old to new drives, and I started a checksum verification of the tranferred files, for fun. turns out, a lot weren't transferred correctly
13:02 mircea_popescu aaand trilema, teh rift guild just went over 1k members
13:02 pankkake I suppose I should blame the hardware… though both are raid6
13:03 asciilifeform pankkake: helps to remember that there is really no such thing as a digital circuit
13:03 mircea_popescu maybe diff checksm implementations ?
13:03 asciilifeform analogue 'expellas furca, tamen usque revenit' !
13:04 pankkake no, it's the same machine, with 12 drives wired. the setup is clearly ghetto (especially the pci-e extenders to reach the drives outside…)
13:05 mircea_popescu ah
13:07 asciilifeform protocol is promise. helps to sometimes ensure promise is being kept.
13:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.07021334 = 1.966 BTC [-] {3}
13:12 mircea_popescu http://www.networkworld.com/news/2014/032514-atm-malware-controlled-by-a-280030.html
13:12 mircea_popescu speaking of.
13:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07000004 = 1.47 BTC [-] {3}
13:13 asciilifeform personally seen several atms with 'bsod'
13:14 pankkake many atms or other kiosk stuff stuck on the "daylight savings" message
13:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07 = 1.4 BTC [-] {2}
13:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00094952 = 14.1478 BTC [-] {2}
13:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05399997 = 0.108 BTC [+] {2}
13:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
13:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12128 @ 0.00094896 = 11.509 BTC [-] {3}
13:33 ThickAsThieves is there a block visualizer website?
13:39 mircea_popescu what's that ?
13:41 ThickAsThieves something to see how addresses/txs are connected
13:42 jurov blockr has it
13:42 jurov in transaction detail
13:42 ThickAsThieves thx
13:43 ThickAsThieves hmm i dont see "detail" anywhere
13:45 nubbins` mircea_popescu is there a way to exchange btc for whatever the fuck rift uses for currency?
13:45 nubbins` simiar to eve/1btc
13:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9141 @ 0.0009457 = 8.6446 BTC [-]
13:46 mircea_popescu sure
13:47 mircea_popescu you give me the btc
13:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05399999 = 0.108 BTC [+] {2}
13:48 mircea_popescu also in the news, i took about a week off because of all the press nuttery, during which i stopped buying raw materials
13:48 mircea_popescu now i look at the market, prices fell an average of 40% across all product classes.
13:48 mircea_popescu so i bought like a piggy
13:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 127 @ 0.00629561 = 0.7995 BTC [+] {4}
13:49 mircea_popescu i guess im one of the major market foreces there
13:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0543748 = 0.435 BTC [+] {3}
13:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0486 = 0.1944 BTC [-]
13:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05499999 = 0.22 BTC [+] {2}
13:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16889 @ 0.00094986 = 16.0422 BTC [+] {2}
13:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.055 = 0.385 BTC [+] {3}
13:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04810005 = 0.1924 BTC [-] {2}
14:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62988979 BTC [+]
14:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.052 = 0.104 BTC [-]
14:04 mike_c http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/betting-bitbet-both-ways/
14:04 ozbot Betting BitBet Both Ways - Btc Alpha
14:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.052 = 0.312 BTC [-] {2}
14:09 nubbins` http://www.thetelegram.com/News/Local/2014-03-25/article-3662653/Man-who-tried-to-choke-daughter-gets-one-year-probation/1
14:09 mircea_popescu mike_c the correct selection for house bets is to take the first three bets of any wager, and exclude one of them
14:09 ozbot Man who tried to choke daughter gets one year probation - Local - The Telegram
14:09 mike_c i wish
14:09 mircea_popescu mike_c the one you exclude a) always has the same output as one of the remainder two and is either made at weight 100k
14:09 mike_c lots of counter-examples to that
14:09 MisterE nice mike_c @
14:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11463 @ 0.00095392 = 10.9348 BTC [+] {2}
14:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
14:09 mircea_popescu or else at lower weight than the other two
14:10 mircea_popescu but the two you keep always have the exact same weight
14:10 mircea_popescu usually in the 99,995+-2 range
14:10 mike_c *generally
14:10 mircea_popescu now give me a counterexample to that.
14:11 mike_c http://bitbet.us/bet/4/
14:11 ozbot BitBet - US Credit Rating
14:11 nubbins` http://www.thetelegram.com/Living/2014-03-25/article-3661866/Local-artist-using-Ellen-DeGeneres-portrait-as-a-face-for-pro-seal-hunt/1
14:11 ozbot Local artist using Ellen DeGeneres portrait as a face for pro seal hunt - Entertainment - The Telegr
14:11 nubbins` HEH
14:12 nubbins` guy does a portrait of Ellen in a seal pelt
14:12 mircea_popescu mike_c take first 3, exclude 3rd. whay problem ?
14:12 mike_c not the same weight
14:13 mircea_popescu 1. take first 3 bets. 2. exclude one. 2.1 either the 1st, if it has the same exit addy as one of the other 2, and the two have same weight, or else the 3rd.
14:13 mircea_popescu 99`9xx weight = same weight in this sense anyway.
14:14 mircea_popescu ha! the house clears 10% ? i had it pegged at about 8%
14:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00095177 = 5.4727 BTC [-] {2}
14:16 mircea_popescu mike_c the point about "it dun really matter so much to correctly identify the house" stands too, for the angle discussed in chat.
14:16 mircea_popescu and nice article. somebody should dump it on reddit.
14:16 MisterE yea good work
14:17 El3k0n Hi guys
14:17 mircea_popescu also Neil ^
14:17 mike_c http://bitbet.us/bet/175/
14:17 ozbot BitBet - BTC/USD at MtGox will stay ABOVE 14.88$ and BELOW 21.46$
14:17 mike_c not one of the first 3
14:17 mike_c thanks MisterE mircea_popescu
14:17 BingoBoingo mike_c: Spectacular write up
14:19 mircea_popescu holy shit you're right.
14:19 mircea_popescu a well, i tried.
14:19 mircea_popescu blame the blockchainz.
14:19 benkay wd mike_c
14:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.0009566 = 24.5846 BTC [+] {3}
14:20 mike_c thx. it is cool to look at some of the big winners for the house. the mtgox closure caused a huge one. 0.07 btc -> 1.36 btc
14:20 benkay lol sponsorized
14:21 mircea_popescu ;;calc 1324 / 2 * .1
14:21 gribble 66.2
14:21 mircea_popescu yeah hehe
14:21 mircea_popescu spikes on the graph
14:24 mircea_popescu so 66.2 theoretical, 66.16 practical.
14:24 mircea_popescu ;;calc 0.04 / 66.2
14:24 gribble 0.000604229607251
14:24 mircea_popescu 99.94% i say!
14:26 wao-ender you seems kinda nostalgic here
14:26 wao-ender #firstbets
14:26 mircea_popescu anyway, 5.x btc profit on a 70ish btc budget as a handicapper is really not that bad.
14:27 mircea_popescu this is a living, split x btc on each bet, early.
14:27 mike_c not bad at all. plus you could surely do better by varying your budget on the bets.
14:28 mircea_popescu maybe.
14:28 mircea_popescu perhaps in the sense of varying it 0 - x, binary like
14:28 mike_c yeah, right after i said that i second thought it. lot of the big profits comes from unexpected results.
14:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05 = 0.15 BTC [+]
14:31 mircea_popescu generally speaking mechanical, constraint betting results in better ev than "feelers".
14:32 mircea_popescu something like "x on winner, half x on loser for all bets" or w/e other strategy
14:32 mircea_popescu people could actually write bots for this.
14:32 wao-ender ^
14:32 mircea_popescu ie, here's a very simple way to have fun as a bright young programmer :
14:32 mircea_popescu write a google search application that finds answers to bets based on queries derived from bet text,
14:32 wao-ender trilema^post^request
14:32 mircea_popescu bets
14:32 mircea_popescu see if you win.
14:33 mircea_popescu wao-ender yeah i guess so.
14:33 asciilifeform s.bitbot
14:33 wao-ender we are having this weekend bithack at our hackerspace, wondering if people would like make some betbot
14:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform could even have tournaments. who makes the most out of 100 btc or w/e
14:33 mircea_popescu wao-ender this is going to take a year rather than a weekend.
14:33 mircea_popescu it's a fucking hard problem.
14:34 wao-ender lot of math and analyzing of external inputs
14:34 wao-ender but yeah, I can imagine, it could work.
14:34 wao-ender like betting what weather would be tomorrow.
14:34 thestringpuller wao-ender: so you're going to create an AI bot?
14:35 thestringpuller how will you determine conditions?
14:35 thestringpuller or know if propositions are objective? etc. etc.
14:37 blackwhite http://gigaom.com/2014/03/25/irs-declares-that-bitcoin-will-be-taxed-as-property/
14:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: who needs tournament. the coin would suffice - 'Быть всегда впереди - вот награда твоя!' ('to be always ahead - this shall be your reward!' from well-known sov. song)
14:37 ozbot IRS declares that bitcoin will be taxed as property — Tech News and Analysis
14:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07199779 = 0.144 BTC [+]
14:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28450 @ 0.00095821 = 27.2611 BTC [+] {4}
14:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform exactly :)
14:39 ThickAsThieves http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/n-14-21.pdf
14:39 ThickAsThieves If a taxpayer receives a payment in virtual currency, is it considered income?
14:39 ThickAsThieves Yes, the fair-market value of the currency (in U.S. dollars) on the date the payment was received is considered to be income. For more information on exchange rates, see the notice.
14:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 887 @ 0.0029547 = 2.6208 BTC [-] {13}
14:43 novusordo took them that long to come up with this?
14:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00284176 = 2.8418 BTC [-] {21}
14:43 novusordo not surprised but come on
14:43 ThickAsThieves it doesnt really say how to determine an exchange rate other than to be consistent
14:43 asciilifeform ianal, but nothing shocking here - usg is treating btc the same as gold, cement, bags of xxxxx good
14:44 asciilifeform if you pay in cement, that's traditionally taxable, etc.
14:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07199779 = 0.144 BTC [+]
14:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.072 = 3.24 BTC [+]
14:47 thestringpuller What determines receiving BTC as payment?
14:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the difference between cement and btc is that i can hit you over the head with the cement.
14:47 thestringpuller If you receive BTC as a gift doesn't a different tax apply?
14:47 mircea_popescu seems to me the only sane treatment of btc is as any other intangible, taxable only upon realisation.
14:47 mircea_popescu i dunno who'd live in a jurisdiction that takes any other tack to the problem, or why.
14:48 novusordo btc dividends?
14:48 mircea_popescu novusordo that's not realisation. when you sell it, you report the income.
14:48 novusordo that's how i've understood it
14:48 ThickAsThieves so if i trade you intellectual proprty for bitcoins, a black hole forms?
14:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 86 @ 0.07000009 = 6.02 BTC [-] {4}
14:50 ThickAsThieves how does one discern a reasonable trade value from an unreasonable one?
14:50 El3k0n ThickAsThieves The world financial system implodes
14:51 mircea_popescu ello El3k0n
14:51 mircea_popescu who might you be ?
14:51 ThickAsThieves this guy? https://twitter.com/El3k0n
14:52 El3k0n Yes
14:52 ThickAsThieves he makes random numbers too
14:52 mircea_popescu cool
14:52 ThickAsThieves https://github.com/El3k0n
14:52 ThickAsThieves sick him asciilifeform!
14:53 pankkake that's a horrible random generator
14:53 El3k0n It's a fork
14:54 El3k0n I didn't made that
14:54 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/APStylebook/status/438316517307215874
14:54 ozbot Twitter / APStylebook: AP Style tip: Bitcoin is a ...
14:54 BingoBoingo Related to an earlier discussion
14:55 ThickAsThieves makes sense
14:55 nubbins` can't trust AP style tips anymore
14:55 nubbins` they now allow "over" as a synonym of "more than"
14:55 * nubbins` shakes head
14:55 mike_c that one seems right though
14:56 mike_c the btc one
14:56 BingoBoingo It's what I've been trying to do.
14:57 pankkake nubbins`: why isn't "over" the same as "more than"?
14:57 pankkake I didn't know the AP style guide existed, I've been meaning to read the Economist one
14:57 nubbins` pankkake, it's just not proper english :D
14:58 nubbins` colloquially, it's used the same way
14:58 pankkake yes but WHY :(
14:58 nubbins` well, y'know why is anything the way it is?
14:58 nubbins` why is the table a table?
14:58 nubbins` anyway gotta run, :D
14:59 BingoBoingo http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/microsoft-releases-source-code-for-ms-dos-and-word/
14:59 ozbot Microsoft releases source code for MS-DOS and Word | Ars Technica
15:00 benkay plantive whine: "look, we do open source!"
15:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15016 @ 0.00095355 = 14.3185 BTC [-]
15:03 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: Microsoft releases source code << carefully calculated insult to the public - dos 1.1
15:04 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: And Word 1.1
15:04 asciilifeform plenty of industrial systems, etc. still run on dos 5 and later - but, fortunately, the source (largely asm) was leaked years ago.
15:04 pankkake there's always FreeDOS
15:05 asciilifeform freedos, last i checked, wasn't 'bug for bug compatible' with msdos.
15:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.048175 = 0.1927 BTC [-] {3}
15:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0545 = 0.218 BTC [-] {2}
15:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.10144642 = 0.4058 BTC [-] {2}
15:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0476005 = 0.238 BTC [-]
15:08 asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: i do hope that you don't think me to be some sort of rng hero
15:08 asciilifeform everything there is to know about rng is 1950s state of the art.
15:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0471 = 0.1413 BTC [-]
15:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.07 = 1.75 BTC [-] {2}
15:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.10144642 = 0.5072 BTC [-]
15:09 ThickAsThieves well more that i respect you have better ability to discern proper rng, crypto, etc than i
15:09 BingoBoingo reeses: Bug for Bug compatibility http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2011/08/accuracy-takes-power-one-mans-3ghz-quest-to-build-a-perfect-snes-emulator/
15:10 Duffer1 ciphertrade goes live on friday
15:10 Duffer1 they have yet to figure out who gets what percentage...
15:11 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-have-fun-as-an-intelligent-person/
15:11 ozbot How to have fun as an intelligent person pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
15:11 mircea_popescu wao-ender ^
15:11 mircea_popescu tho perhaps not exactly what you had in mind.
15:11 Duffer1 that's right, apparently without a contract, multiple people pooled resources to create CipherTrade and didn't figure out who will own what
15:11 Duffer1 this will end well i'm sure
15:11 wao-ender mircea_popescu: let me read it
15:12 mircea_popescu Duffer1 as someone said, "not even worth laughing at"
15:12 mircea_popescu course, i think they were talking of something else. inasmuch as there can be "something else" in the swamp.
15:12 Duffer1 it must be something else cause to me this is hilarious
15:13 wao-ender well, great reading.
15:14 wao-ender I suggest it as milion dollar idea w/o one dollar, that one dollar you already have in your pocket
15:15 mircea_popescu also requires a head.
15:15 wao-ender not in package.
15:15 wao-ender right
15:15 mircea_popescu but because bitcoin allows such fine payments, you're right, you can do this on a cup of coffee
15:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0551 = 0.2755 BTC [+] {2}
15:20 thestringpuller that's one of the best trilema articles I've read
15:20 thestringpuller totally worth a trilema coin
15:21 mircea_popescu ha!
15:24 asciilifeform perhaps i'm thick, but it still seems to me like the biggest winners on bitbet ought to be folks sitting on the right side of an information asymmetry.
15:24 mike_c that is the case for all parimutuel wagering
15:25 asciilifeform e.g. the ones who 'know', with a good degree of confidence, that difficulty will drop on day x, because they can personally pull the plug on a chinese minerfarm - etc
15:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform hence the "mine google" approach
15:25 mike_c good handicappers at the racetrack know a shitload more than me about horses.
15:25 mircea_popescu no see, because you confuse information and action here.
15:25 asciilifeform 'mine google' gives a little asymmetry - 'pull plug' - more.
15:25 mircea_popescu that's not information.
15:25 mircea_popescu you are comparing unlike things.
15:26 mircea_popescu in general action (pull plug) is caught in a web of actions
15:26 blackwhite so regarding the bitcoin as property. What does that mean if I get bitcoin for the work I am doing?
15:26 mircea_popescu and information in a web of information
15:26 blackwhite i.e. with me design work
15:26 asciilifeform this is a little like 'moldbug's chessboard' - fight between move-select-via-reddit vs. an actual grandmaster
15:26 mircea_popescu it's unlikely you'll be able to breach the former in order to benefit the latter
15:26 mircea_popescu (trivially, your curiosity as to what's inside a watch isn't worth the pirce of a watch)
15:27 asciilifeform if 'watch' is a west german tank engine, and i'm 'gru', then it is worth 100x the price, no?
15:27 mircea_popescu perhaps.
15:27 mircea_popescu except the price in that edge case is infinity.
15:28 ThickAsThieves the word "generally" appears 8 times in the IRS release
15:28 asciilifeform eh, it was never infinity. not even close to $maxint.
15:28 mircea_popescu so it was prepared by one Gene Rally, esq.
15:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you
15:28 mircea_popescu 're thinking theft.
15:28 mircea_popescu think free market.
15:28 ThickAsThieves lol
15:29 asciilifeform actually gru usually bought on the free market
15:29 ThickAsThieves plus 5 generals
15:29 asciilifeform the -really- free market
15:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, they did not. see, it wasn't a free market, but at the other end of things
15:29 asciilifeform western tech co. wants to sell, forbidden by own government
15:29 mircea_popescu (ie, in a free market neither the gru nor the nazis could have existed)
15:29 asciilifeform polite gentleman offers 100x the usual price
15:29 asciilifeform point
15:30 mircea_popescu so in general arguing "in this inefficient case the inefficiency could be used like so"
15:30 mircea_popescu misses the point that you'd have to construct that inefficiency first, which precludes the use economically.
15:30 asciilifeform i was thinking of a far more mundane aspect, where the best source of info re: the outcome of, say, athletic match, isn't 1000 googles, but the boxer who can decide to 'throw' the match
15:31 mircea_popescu sure, but that's an entire different story than what we're doing here.
15:31 mircea_popescu sort-of like saying "i have no need to use computers because i already know what 2+2 comes to"
15:31 asciilifeform i was assuming that the proposal is about bitbet as it currently exists - where bests in the style of 'boxing match' are heavily represented
15:32 asciilifeform *bets
15:32 mircea_popescu more like a general case.
15:32 mircea_popescu moreover, the whole thing is begging the question. "how do you make money if you know how to make money already ?" "in the manner you know".
15:33 mircea_popescu as opposed to, "how do i make money ?" "like this"
15:33 asciilifeform this reminds me of an idea that i (and probably everybody) had at one point - a betting engine with auto-resolution using google (or some other mechanical process)
15:33 mircea_popescu that's a much harder problem.
15:33 asciilifeform truly.
15:34 mircea_popescu http://24.media.tumblr.com/1a702f2098bece1183afc38a35f98035/tumblr_meylr9rYLe1qmiugko1_1280.jpg
15:34 mircea_popescu have a slut instead.
15:34 mircea_popescu electric tape ftw.
15:34 asciilifeform if it existed, it would gravitationally move the planet's spammers and 'seo' scum the way the moon moves the ocean.
15:35 mircea_popescu lol
15:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00095617 = 12.6214 BTC [+] {2}
15:41 blackwhite http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-25/bitcoin-is-property-not-currency-in-tax-system-irs-says.html
15:41 ozbot Bitcoin Is Property Not Currency in Tax System, IRS Says - Bloomberg
15:41 blackwhite in danish
15:41 blackwhite Denmark i mean
15:41 blackwhite http://epn.dk/samfund/politik/ECE6587289/afgoerelse-gevinster-fra-bitcoins-er-skattefrie/
15:41 blackwhite IRS just ruled that its not taxable
15:42 blackwhite (the article is in Danish)
15:42 asciilifeform blackwhite: no such thing. the decree sums to 'as taxable as cement'
15:42 blackwhite ?
15:42 blackwhite IRS in Denmark (called Skat)
15:42 asciilifeform ;;google Wickard v. Filburn
15:42 gribble Wickard v. Filburn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn>; Wickard v. Filburn | The Oyez Project at IIT Chicago-Kent College of ...: <http://www.oyez.org/cases/1940-1949/1942/1942_59/>; Wickard v. Filburn – Case Brief Summary - Lawnix: <http://www.lawnix.com/cases/wickard-filburn.html>
15:43 asciilifeform required reading to understand how u.s. totalitarian system got its beginning
15:43 blackwhite not sure I understand
15:43 blackwhite The IRS in the US ruled it's property
15:43 blackwhite the IRS in Denmark ruled it's not taxable
15:43 asciilifeform aha denmark
15:43 asciilifeform intro for noobs. in the u.s., the central government was once traditionally limited to regulating 'interstate commerce'
15:44 asciilifeform then, there was a court case, where they ruled that, in essence, a fart is 'interstate commerce'
15:44 asciilifeform because you could have bottled and sold the fart
15:44 asciilifeform and hence it would have affected the price of bottled farts interstate markets
15:44 asciilifeform (anyone who thinks that this is an exaggeration, look up the case)
15:45 asciilifeform the losing side (a farmer) was required to burn his crop.
15:45 asciilifeform because not burning it could affect the market price.
15:46 ThickAsThieves The Court decided that Filburn's wheat growing activities reduced the amount of wheat he would buy for chicken feed on the open market, and because wheat was traded nationally, Filburn's production of more wheat than he was allotted was affecting interstate commerce. Thus, Filburn's production could be regulated by the federal government.
15:47 Mats_cd03 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Lopez
15:51 asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2014/03/todashev-doj.pdf
15:52 asciilifeform tldr - government report excusing the execution of a famous suspect, claims that he reached for... a sword.
15:52 asciilifeform (extrajudicial execution, naturally)
15:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 16 @ 0.10144642 = 1.6231 BTC [-] {2}
16:01 asciilifeform from the loltron:
16:01 asciilifeform https://www.cyberguerrilla.org/blog/?p=17789
16:01 ozbot CyberGuerrilla soApboX » Ukrainian leakage once again.
16:01 asciilifeform (file under 'fiat problems')
16:02 Mats_cd03 "While the Assisting Trooper attempted unsuccessfully to draw his handgun" the 2 second rule nearly prevails once again
16:04 Mats_cd03 Should've watched tom cruise for pro tips http://youtu.be/UiqwF_Y9S5Q
16:04 mircea_popescu Lawrence Tierney was pretty cool
16:05 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ThickAsThieves amusingly, there was recently a very similar case re milk.
16:05 Mats_cd03 Back to Bataan i haven't seen in some time
16:05 mircea_popescu some california producer that made butter out of its own milk was forced to stop selling it because it had an unfair advantage.
16:06 asciilifeform waiting for timoshenko et al to proclaim that yesterday's 'leaked nixon tape' of her asking fellow ua fucktards 'can't we find a nuke with which to cleanse the russian scum' - in perfect russian - is fake
16:06 Mats_cd03 Hahaha
16:06 jurov she did already
16:07 asciilifeform jurov: i have this crap set to 'interrupt', not 'poll', so i might be a little behind.
16:08 jurov she apparently tweeted it (but these slovak scumbags did not link it)
16:09 mircea_popescu the consensus in the harem seems to be that these chechen boyz (as typified by todashev) sure are pretty
16:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.05526164 = 0.7184 BTC [-] {3}
16:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.04999999 = 0.75 BTC [+] {3}
16:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.10144642 = 0.4058 BTC [-]
16:10 mircea_popescu now how the fuck can women tell who the violent males are ? he looks totally harmless to me.
16:10 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they're cult figures here in usa. tabloid magazine covers were printed with special magnified mug shots for their wanking.
16:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05360007 = 0.1072 BTC [-] {2}
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16:11 BingoBoingo http://gawker.com/freejahar-when-conspiracy-theorists-and-one-direction-478152664
16:11 ozbot #FreeJahar: When Conspiracy Theorists and One Direction Fans Collide
16:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i dun think they recognised the face.
16:11 BingoBoingo The younger one has had a Beiber like fanbase for some time since his arrest.
16:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
16:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.00298999 = 0.1435 BTC [-] {2}
16:14 ThickAsThieves i wonder what my tax penalties will be for all that unreported WoW gold
16:14 bitcoinpete I'm just going to quietly leave this here: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/progress-pies-and-profit/
16:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0503988 = 0.4032 BTC [+]
16:15 ThickAsThieves bitcoinpete, did you program your HootSuite to post that to IRC? ;)
16:15 diametric ThickAsThieves: none, since Blizzard explicitly states ownership of the gold belongs to them.
16:15 bitcoinpete It has too many footnotes, too many airquotes, and is a bit long (and therefore error-prone).
16:15 mircea_popescu diametric so how much are THEY paying ?
16:15 diametric Technically USD you made illegitimately would be taxed as income, just as any other illegitimate sale
16:15 bitcoinpete ThickAsThieves: you'd swear! lol
16:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.05598999 = 0.3919 BTC [+]
16:16 diametric mircea_popescu: oh none of course since nothing gets realized
16:16 mircea_popescu oh i see. but some WoW gold IS sold for usd.
16:16 diametric not legitimately
16:16 mircea_popescu ;;buy wow gold
16:16 gribble Error: 'wow' is not a valid positive floating point number.
16:16 mircea_popescu ;;google buy wow gold
16:16 gribble IGE.com - WoW Gold - GW2 Gold - D3 Gold - Buy Safe, Fast and ...: <http://www.ige.com/>; Buy WOW Gold, World of Warcraft Gold, Diablo 3 gold from IGXE.com.: <http://www.igxe.com/>; Buy WOW Gold,Fast and Cheap WOW Gold for Sale!: <http://www.wowgold-sales.com/>
16:16 mircea_popescu diametric well, bitcoin is not sold for usd any more legitimately.
16:16 mircea_popescu they're both sold on the grounds of possesion, without title.
16:16 mircea_popescu and actually... wow gold to usd exchanges are older and a lot more stable than btc to usd exchanges.
16:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05598999 = 0.112 BTC [+]
16:17 diametric mircea_popescu: in the same way if I stole your TV and sold it, you're not responsible for capital gains on it.
16:17 asciilifeform ianal, but the linked proclamation seems to declare 'legitimacy' for this purpose
16:17 diametric mircea_popescu: people selling wow gold is technically stealing it.
16:17 bitcoinpete ThickAsThieves: I've been keeping up with the logs at least :)
16:17 ThickAsThieves not really diametric
16:17 diametric they need to pay taxes, but blizzard doesn't.
16:17 ThickAsThieves more like if i sold you my checkign account password
16:17 mircea_popescu diametric people selling btc are equally "technically" stealing it.
16:18 asciilifeform it even demands that miners pay tax, the same way farmers are made to
16:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.00298999 = 0.2541 BTC [-]
16:18 asciilifeform (afaik it is technically illegal to be a subsistence farmer in the u.s.)
16:18 diametric ThickAsThieves: all of this in Blizzard's eyes constitutes theft of intellectual property
16:19 mircea_popescu but that's really besides the point.
16:19 ThickAsThieves and pretty hard to defend surely
16:19 mircea_popescu people trading wow gold exchange possession without title.
16:19 mircea_popescu people trading btc idem exchange possession without title.
16:19 ThickAsThieves game currency can be shown to have real world value
16:19 ThickAsThieves regardless of issuer and the rules it imposes
16:20 diametric I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm telling you having actually talked to Blizzard's legal team what they believe
16:20 diametric it of course has never been challenged
16:20 mircea_popescu in neither case a representation is made as to transfer of title, which makes blizzard's ip assertions irrelevant.
16:20 asciilifeform my understanding is that selling 'wow gold' is quite like sub-leasing an apartment where the original lease forbade it
16:20 mircea_popescu o i know what they believe.
16:20 mircea_popescu it's just that they can believe in one hand and piss in the other, see which gets warm first.
16:20 asciilifeform in the usa, if someone hands you money, or cement, etc. for whatever reason, it is officially taxable
16:20 diametric asciilifeform: of course
16:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform but not if someone hands you a dream.
16:20 bounce er. if nobody "owning" WoW gold can hold title then even "stolen" (or traded, or whatever) gold is held without title, and so it canot possibly be theft, now can it?
16:21 diametric which I said those selling the wow gold are liable for taxes
16:21 diametric but not blizzard
16:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform again : i can hit you over the head with the cement.
16:21 mircea_popescu diametric bounce has it.
16:21 mircea_popescu either it's not taxable throughout, except for realisation
16:21 mircea_popescu or else blizzard owes tax.
16:21 ThickAsThieves would my monthly WoW fee now be an expense?
16:21 Apocalyptic ThickAsThieves, you're a WoW player ?
16:22 diametric ThickAsThieves: I don't see why not.
16:22 ThickAsThieves to maintain the value of the gold i hold?
16:22 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you could claim that for a long time, actually.
16:22 ThickAsThieves i dont play anymnore
16:22 mircea_popescu unrelatedly to this discussion
16:22 ThickAsThieves i used to
16:22 ThickAsThieves from Burning Crusade to WotLK
16:22 asciilifeform my understanding is, if i'm shot walking on the street, i theoretically owe 9g of Pb worth of tax on the windfall of perfectly good lead.
16:22 ThickAsThieves i bought both gold and accounts
16:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is true. but, again, with pb i can hit you over the head.
16:23 diametric I've done a lot of things with WoW over the years before I quit about 3 years ago
16:23 ThickAsThieves and the hospital had commited theft if they did not produce the lead back to the owner
16:23 mircea_popescu bitcoin is not like pb, or oranges, or cement.
16:23 jurov don't give anybody a reason to use silver bullets then
16:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
16:24 ThickAsThieves Werewolves Rejoice!
16:24 mike_c if my employer pays me in stock, i owe taxes. can't hit me in the head with that
16:24 bounce well, as long as they steal the tax obligation with it, I suppose I can live with it
16:24 diametric More interesting is EVE, where earned ISK in game can be realized into a membership
16:24 the20year3 http://www.kwqc.com/story/25060066/razor-blades-injure-2-year-old-in-east-moline
16:24 asciilifeform i think everyone here is aware of the practical difference btween btc and cement. but the bureaucrats aren't - or will pretend, at any rate, for as long as it remains possible
16:24 mircea_popescu mike_c yep, i can.
16:24 ThickAsThieves Dota 2 gets intricate too, the more i play the more items i get, they provide a market for selling items for USD credit
16:24 mircea_popescu stock is a portion of the business, so i get a brick out of the building that is represented by the stock
16:24 mircea_popescu and hit you with that.
16:25 mike_c it's a zero-asset company :)
16:25 mircea_popescu diametric or rift, same thing.
16:25 bounce at least the tax office rarely is interested in anything but taxability
16:25 mircea_popescu mike_c there exist no fiat zero asset corps.
16:25 mircea_popescu see how neatly this all locks together ? :D
16:26 ThickAsThieves the IRS makes no effort to define a virtual currency either
16:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's fine and dandy, but the best way for their pretense to remain standing is for tem to vehehery carefully steer out of the way of their masters.
16:26 mike_c i do see your point, but i agree with ascii. it makes no practical difference since the bureaucrats will not recognize said difference.
16:26 mircea_popescu ie, the people who can piss on the sugar.
16:26 bounce IMO bit of a failing of government to stick to asking whether they can get away with taxing, and not asking whether they should
16:26 asciilifeform my guess is that no serious effort will be made to actually collect the tax. rather, it will be used as a scourge against folks who need to be 'lettre de cachet'-d.
16:26 mircea_popescu mike_c o yes it does.
16:26 mircea_popescu men made out of paper are not to play with matches.
16:26 mircea_popescu irrespective of the relative sizes.
16:28 asciilifeform ;;google three felonies
16:28 gribble Three-strikes law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-strikes_law>; Three Felonies A Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent: Harvey ...: <http://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594035229>; Three Felonies a Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent: Harvey A ...: <http://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target- (1 more message)
16:28 mike_c asciilifeform: indeed. how exactly would they make an effort to collect anyway? impossible.
16:28 asciilifeform in this spirit
16:28 ThickAsThieves it's also an absurd degree of taxation: say i buy a Walmart Gift Card with btc, i should pay sales tax, gains tax, then the seller reports profit and is taxed, revenue used to pay employees is taxed. then you tack on the accounting burden on both sides, plus the seller's burden as tax collector
16:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's bs, imo.
16:29 mircea_popescu specifically : people who are already defeated take into consideration nonsense such as "oh but the feds have a 9x% conviction rate" as a ready-made excuse to settle.
16:29 mircea_popescu meanwhile, five people don't settle and the entire system collapses in flames.
16:30 mircea_popescu it's difficult to overstate just how fragile the entire morloch actually is.
16:30 ThickAsThieves then when you use the gift card all that happens again
16:30 mircea_popescu for all the appearance and pretense of stolid solidity.
16:31 asciilifeform ;;google solzhenitsyn axe
16:31 gribble Quote by Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn : And how we burned in the ...: <http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/34738-and-how-we-burned-in-the-camps-later-thinking-what>; Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn Quotes (Author of One Day in the Life of ...: <http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/10420.Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn>; The Gulag Archipelago - Wikiquote: (1 more message)
16:31 mircea_popescu yeah yeah.
16:31 mircea_popescu there's no stalin running the us.
16:31 mircea_popescu and without an actual man, there's no actual power.
16:31 mircea_popescu just a bunch of sterile 37 yo women running around in circles, wailing.
16:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1834 @ 0.00095355 = 1.7488 BTC [-]
16:32 asciilifeform heretic david koresh (sp?) crunched under tank treads, with his men. and yet no stalin.
16:32 mircea_popescu but anyway : the hissing of the serpent is easily ignored, until the point you cross its boundary.
16:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 32 @ 0.10144642 = 3.2463 BTC [-]
16:34 asciilifeform morloch << molloch worshipped by morlocks? i like it
16:34 mircea_popescu hehe
16:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.00298998 = 0.1166 BTC [-]
16:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform in the spirit of that example, 1mn people killed on highways each year, no stalin.
16:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.10144642 = 0.3043 BTC [-]
16:35 asciilifeform that's more in the department of 'Lord Hunger'
16:35 asciilifeform 'Царь Голод' (in the original)
16:36 asciilifeform lord hunger, lord plague, lord 'pileup'
16:36 ThickAsThieves "Google's new cloud storage prices are as low as $0.026 per gigabyte as a flat rate, far below Amazon's lowest offering of $0.037 per gigabyte, which kicks in if you're holding terabytes of data in the AWS cloud."
16:36 mircea_popescu at any rate. the waco debacle has been perhaps the costliest enforcing action by the various bureaus
16:36 mircea_popescu nearly ended the batf
16:37 asciilifeform no more than recent events end nsa
16:37 asciilifeform so a few neon signs get swapped for new ones
16:37 asciilifeform business as usual
16:37 mircea_popescu nsa is pretty much finished, yes.
16:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07000012 = 1.4 BTC [-] {2}
16:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05598997 = 0.168 BTC [-]
16:37 mircea_popescu not really that simple.
16:37 asciilifeform ;;google Church Committee 1975
16:37 gribble Church Committee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Committee>; Church Committee Created - US Senate: <http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/Church_Committee_Created.htm>; Church Committee - US Senate Select Committee on Intelligence: <http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/churchcommittee.html>
16:38 asciilifeform ;;google mk ultra
16:38 gribble Project MKUltra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra>; History of MK-ULTRA. CIA program on Mind Control.: <http://www.mindspring.com/~txporter/sec3.htm>; CIA Mind Control Operation MK-ULTRA - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i46RI2twVao>
16:38 asciilifeform afaik all of these folks (or younger successors) are still employed
16:38 mircea_popescu And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with te
16:38 mircea_popescu rror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?
16:38 mircea_popescu quite excellent points.
16:38 ThickAsThieves lol [KS] (KS]@thinks.the.feds.are.investigat.in) has joined #bitcoin-assets
16:38 mircea_popescu brings to mind a spirited debate
16:38 mircea_popescu ;;google trilema vina batranilor
16:38 gribble Aprilie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2010/04>; Cocietate si Sultura pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/cocietate-si-sultura/>
16:38 mircea_popescu meh
16:39 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2010/vina-batranilor/
16:39 ozbot Vina batranilor pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
16:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that piece seems to be about 'говноеды' ('shit-eaters') no?
16:40 asciilifeform the happily-colonized folks
16:41 asciilifeform 'In examining different kinds of agents, people from the free world who have sold themselves to the GRU, one cannot avoid touching on yet another category, perhaps the least appealing of all. Officially one is not allowed to call them agents, and they are not agents in the full sense of being recruited agents. We are talking about the numerous members of overseas societies of friendship with the Soviet Union.
16:41 asciilifeform Officially, all Soviet representatives regard these parasites with touching feelings of friendship, but privately they call them 'shit-eaters' ('govnoed'). It is difficult to say where this expression originated, but it is truly the only name they deserve. The use of this word has become so firmly entrenched in Soviet embassies that it is impossible to imagine any other name for these people. A conversation mi
16:41 asciilifeform ght run as follows: Today we've got a friendship evening with shit-eaters', or Today we're having some shit-eaters to dinner. Prepare a suitable menu'.'
16:41 asciilifeform (rezun's classic 'soviet military intelligence')
16:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform pretty much
16:41 mircea_popescu afaik it originated with hruschev
16:42 mircea_popescu always a man of his words.
16:43 jurov and they really thought such foreign policy is sustainable?
16:44 jurov or sustainability is not in russian vocabulary?
16:44 mircea_popescu sorta like all the numerous "ngos"
16:44 mircea_popescu dotting the landscape these days.
16:44 mircea_popescu saving animals and the environment and whatnot.
16:44 asciilifeform afaik most modern despots would be quite satisfied with ancient egypt's 5000 yrs of 'sustain'
16:44 mircea_popescu who thinks the crap is "sustainable" and what's sustainable even mean in that context
16:44 asciilifeform hell, modest '1000 year reich'
16:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform notice how it compresses.
16:45 asciilifeform even these are growing more modest. wait for the 100 year reich. 10.
16:45 mircea_popescu "civitas aeterna"
16:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.0009535 = 14.4932 BTC [-]
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16:45 asciilifeform what is 'startup' crapola if not 'the 1-year reich'
16:45 bounce can just declare the 10 day reich at home then. take two weeks off, nobody notices. success.
16:46 mircea_popescu :D
16:46 mike_c US became boss, what, when USSR dissolved? 20 years so far.
16:46 mircea_popescu mike_c the us was boss roughly speaking 1915 - 1980
16:46 bounce or ten minutes a day, every day. just need staying power.
16:46 asciilifeform reich is not a chess clock.
16:46 mircea_popescu usa and ussr dissolved really at the same time
16:46 mircea_popescu only one admitted to it.
16:47 asciilifeform obligatory:
16:47 asciilifeform http://www.resilience.org/stories/2006-12-04/closing-collapse-gap-ussr-was-better-prepared-collapse-us
16:47 ozbot Closing the 'Collapse Gap': the USSR was better prepared for collapse than the US
16:47 bounce the US found new enemies to fight, as it is wont to do
16:47 asciilifeform colourful pictures, short sentences. works even for children.
16:49 bounce how long did the ottoman empire take to collapse?
16:51 asciilifeform bounce: perhaps you know how long it lives as 'vegetable', on european loans / shared tech / refraining from zapping
16:51 asciilifeform *lived
16:51 mircea_popescu bounce cca a century.
16:51 mircea_popescu as an english buffer of sorts.
16:52 asciilifeform or hell, why turks were invited into nato
16:52 asciilifeform (same reason)
16:52 mircea_popescu actually it was sensible. turkey should have been taken into the eu in 2006
16:52 mircea_popescu that'd have fully avoided the eu crisis.
16:52 mircea_popescu same thing had the us the ballsack to make iraq the 51st state
16:53 asciilifeform lol!
16:53 mircea_popescu thinkaboutit.jpg
16:53 mircea_popescu i know i would have, congress be damned.
16:53 bounce with erdogan in office? bit against what the eu purports to stand for.
16:54 mircea_popescu nobody asks the eu what it wants to stand for tho.
16:54 mircea_popescu the only way to use money in 2006 would have been to lift up turkey.
16:54 ThickAsThieves makes sense to me, you go into a country and have your military running the place for a decade, why not just stake claim?
16:54 jurov how would it avoid the crisis?
16:54 mircea_popescu similarly for dollars and iraq
16:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.056 = 0.56 BTC [+]
16:54 mircea_popescu jurov because it gives economy something to do.
16:54 mircea_popescu suddenly there's all these schools to build.
16:54 mircea_popescu all these bank branches
16:55 mircea_popescu and omfg those iraquis don't even get pottery barn catalogs daily ?!
16:55 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: reminds me of, in reverse: '...Идет пленум ЦК, Генеральный секретарь читает доклад: Больших успехов достигли хлеборобы Кубанщины, Ставропольщины, Смоленщины, Техасщины, Колорадщины.'
16:55 asciilifeform trans.:
16:55 B007 asciilifeform: thanks for that link
16:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.05039878 = 0.2016 BTC [+]
16:56 asciilifeform [context: pres. carter dreams a bad dream] - 'plenum of central committee. ussr gensec reads report: great successes by the bread farmers of Kuban, Stavropol, Smolensk, Texas, Colorado provinces...'
16:56 mircea_popescu i wonder how long till #bitcoin-assets gets the webby awards for the coolest place on the web
16:56 mircea_popescu o wait, webby no longer exists huh.
16:56 mircea_popescu awww.
16:56 asciilifeform surely not for this.
16:56 jurov so mircea think "cohesion" transfers to turkey would not caouse even bigger crisis?
16:57 asciilifeform i think everyone east of berlin knows that joke
16:57 bounce anyway, apropos churchill re americans, the eurocrats have a good track record of starting the same but finishing in the same way hasn't been in strong evidence
16:58 mike_c webby alive and kicking. https://www.webbyawards.com/
16:58 asciilifeform perhaps we can win a tcpipy. or something.
16:58 mircea_popescu jurov pretty sure it wouldn't, no.
16:59 mircea_popescu mike_c ya but you know what i mean. or do you ?
16:59 asciilifeform ;;google fukuppy
16:59 gribble Meet Fukuppy, the inadvertent Fukushima mascot | World news ...: <http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/15/fukuppy-fukushima-mascot-japan-fridge-egg-name>; Fukuppy, Fukushima Industries new mascot, is branding disaster ...: <http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/fukuppy-fukushima-industries-new-mascot-is-branding-disaster-8881883.html>; Fukushima Industries New 'Fukuppy' (1 more message)
16:59 B007 it's hard to image some of those things happening in the us when it collapses because of its private sector though
16:59 mike_c hey, i was nominated for two webbys just 3 years ago :)
16:59 mircea_popescu lmao
16:59 bounce greece is a shambles, but so far hasn't been too good for the eu economy as a whole. how would turkey have been different?
16:59 mircea_popescu in other news, some guy sold 3500 records debuted in the billboard
16:59 mircea_popescu B007 what private sector ?
17:00 B007 all the private companies, landlords
17:00 mircea_popescu name one ?
17:01 jurov B007: detroit has had very strong private sector once
17:02 mike_c ^ excellent point.
17:02 B007 google
17:04 jurov yeah, google tends to support common good such as... public transport ? :DDD
17:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05039878 = 0.1512 BTC [+]
17:06 jurov whole internet pokes fun of google buses by now
17:06 mircea_popescu google is tenuously a private sector corp.
17:06 mircea_popescu it's basically supported by govt-sponsored spending.
17:07 jurov wherever the money comes from, their mindset will be utterly useless in collapse
17:08 B007 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_manufacturing_companies_by_revenue
17:08 ozbot List of largest manufacturing companies by revenue - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
17:08 mircea_popescu where the money comes from shapes the mindset.
17:08 mircea_popescu that's why start-ups can be easily destroyed by getting the wrong money sources early.
17:08 B007 why would the govt sponser google?
17:08 mircea_popescu general electric, ford and hp are all kept on respirators by public usg spending.
17:09 mircea_popescu B007 because it can't avoid it.
17:09 mircea_popescu tbh procter and gamble may be the first item on that list able to duke it on its own
17:09 mircea_popescu barely top 50
17:09 B007 any facts about money google receives from govt?
17:10 mircea_popescu you familiar with the yahoo dotcom boom cycle ?
17:11 mircea_popescu (if not, graham explains it better than i could : http://www.paulgraham.com/yahoo.html )
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17:17 bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: quite enjoyed your fun article. the sizes of the gaps between those layers is nothing to sneeze at :)
17:18 TestingUnoDosTre <B007>: interesting list, never heard of Hon Hai Precision Industries before
17:18 mircea_popescu should have a bet as to wehen the first bitcoin corp makes the top
17:19 bounce holding corp of... foxconn, wasn't it?
17:19 bitcoinpete http://venturebeat.com/2014/03/25/kraken-a-bitcoin-exchange-raises-5m/
17:19 ozbot Kraken, a Bitcoin exchange, raises $5M | VentureBeat | Deals | by J. O'Dell
17:20 bitcoinpete apologies if repost
17:22 B007 so if google in the next yahoo, who is the next google?
17:22 mircea_popescu yeah hon hai is mostly foxconn
17:22 mircea_popescu funny how it ranks above apple.
17:22 mircea_popescu B007 mpoe.
17:25 TestingUnoDosTre <bounce> looks like you're correct
17:27 mircea_popescu "If circumstances had been different, the people running Yahoo might have realized sooner how important search was. But they had the most opaque obstacle in the world between them and the truth: money."
17:27 mircea_popescu epic quote.
17:28 mircea_popescu lampelina and who might you be ?
17:29 mike_c lampelina runs b-a.com now. hopefully she will remove the password requirement soon ;)
17:29 asciilifeform http://forums.3dtotal.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=168068 ?
17:30 jurov hehe
17:31 jurov no they guessed right that advertising is important. search is "only" the precursor for the addiction
17:32 bounce TestingUnoDosTre: I didn't say that
17:33 mircea_popescu haha
17:33 thestringpuller lole MPOE is not an options emporium anymore
17:33 thestringpuller lolololol
17:38 B007 http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/03/irs-bitcoin-is-property-like-a-stock-or-bond-and-not-a-currency/
17:38 ozbot IRS: Bitcoin is property, like a stock or bond, and not a currency | Ars Technica
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17:45 B007 http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/397-billion-fighter-jet-deployment-may-be-delayed-by-software-glitches/
17:45 ozbot $397 billion fighter jet deployment may be delayed by software glitches | Ars Technica
17:45 asciilifeform B007: since when, 1970? it's the same airplane every time
17:46 mircea_popescu lol
17:46 mike_c it's good to be lockheed.. best lobbyists in the industry.
17:46 lampelina mike_c, will do my best for site to be up asap
17:47 benkay thestringpuller: 'mpoe' is now an artifact of history
17:47 mircea_popescu soo... inb4 500 bitcointalk threads where all sorts of experts explain how mp was indeed right and they were indeed clueless ?
17:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1465 @ 0.00013502 = 0.1978 BTC [+] {4}
17:49 mike_c lampelina: no rush, just teasing. good luck running it.
17:49 mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/lampelina ftr
17:49 ozbot Maja L. (lampelina) on Twitter
17:51 mircea_popescu "It's hard for anyone much younger than me to understand the fear Microsoft still inspired in 1995."
17:51 mircea_popescu ehehehe
17:51 mircea_popescu i think it'll be hard for anyone born after 1990 or so to even understand fear.
17:53 asciilifeform http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3129759496251093@naggum.no.html
17:53 ozbot Re: A draft business plan for free software LISP vendors - Naggum cll archive
17:53 B007 what is fear?
17:53 asciilifeform (re: microshit)
17:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05039673 = 0.1512 BTC [+]
17:54 mircea_popescu B007 fear is when you understand what kills you before it actually does.
17:54 mircea_popescu just another way of not being dumb as rocks, as it were.
17:54 asciilifeform on the flip side of this, 'coward dies a thousand deaths, brave man - one'
17:54 mike_c say what you will about "microshit", but bill gates was/is a hell of a businessman.
17:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform a brave man and a fearless man don't map well.
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17:55 mike_c he justifiably instilled more fear than steve jobs ever did.
17:55 asciilifeform well yes. the latter is more like the famous disease where the victim cannot feel pain.
17:56 asciilifeform mike_c: the microshit style of 'doing business' goes a long way to explaining the popularity of communism, etc. among technical types.
17:56 mike_c whaat?
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17:56 mike_c how so?
17:56 mircea_popescu "nobody should have the power to tell us what to do"
17:57 BingoBoingo Does S.NSA have a LISP fighter jet in its long term plans?
17:57 mike_c nobody does have the power to tell the powerful what to do. mp has stated that some 5 million times.
17:57 asciilifeform the notion that ms turdware is a product of any kind of free market or competition on technical merit is a real comedy.
17:57 mircea_popescu mike_c but how dares microsoft tell x y z ppl what to do!
17:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04710002 = 0.1884 BTC [-]
17:57 mircea_popescu "well ithas the money" "well then money is bad"
17:57 mike_c asciilifeform: hence his business acumen.
17:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform let's argue this.
17:58 mircea_popescu when microsoft was born, ibm was much larger. how did it eat ibm's lunch ?
17:58 asciilifeform mike_c: by that token, we should look up to 1990s russian mob as business teachers. 'take contract on creditor when cheaper than paying back loan', rectothermal cryptoanalysis, the joys.
17:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i presume you know the story of msdos
17:59 mike_c microsoft didn't shove a cattle prod up anyone's ass.
17:59 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i do. what part of that is not free market ?
17:59 asciilifeform inherited ibm's monopoly
17:59 mircea_popescu why didn't you ?
17:59 asciilifeform ultimately usg sponsored.
18:00 asciilifeform and if that were the end... then, bundling pacts with pc makers, the collusion with intel to kill 'os/2' (secret cpu instructions), many other wonderful things
18:00 diametric i miss os/2.
18:01 mircea_popescu so these are not free market ?
18:01 asciilifeform i suppose ms turdows being mandatory os of usg is also free market ?
18:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0564999 = 0.226 BTC [+]
18:01 mircea_popescu it wasn't born that way.
18:02 mike_c ^ i think you are underestimating what it took to build the monolopy.
18:02 mircea_popescu so now, the "competition on technical merit" leg of your statement, i see
18:02 mircea_popescu the free market leg however, i do not.
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18:03 mircea_popescu i'll readily grant that it didn't operate in any kind of free market in the 90s. but your statement was as of product
18:04 asciilifeform it is no coincidence, though, that ms became synonymous with 'home computer' in the 90s and not earlier.
18:05 mircea_popescu it may be.
18:05 mircea_popescu for instance, if jobs weren't an idiot.
18:06 mircea_popescu shitty macs could have been synonymous with home computer
18:06 asciilifeform much of what people think of as 'dark age' of apple corp. took place without herr jobs
18:06 mircea_popescu with much, much worse overal effects.
18:06 mircea_popescu fucktards running tablets today don't even realise they should be able to interact with their hard drives
18:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform there is sucvh a thing as idiocy through absence.
18:07 asciilifeform the outcome, unsurprisingly, was the death of apple corp. (it does not really exist today, just 'next' corp. renamed 'apple')
18:07 mircea_popescu come to think about it, i don't know there's something in the world i ever hated more than a mac, and in this sense a ms-dos pc seems a muchly preferable alternative.
18:07 mike_c the 'dark age' of apple would have been the 'no apple' age if microsoft hadn't given them money to keep them alive.
18:07 mircea_popescu so perhaps it was quite free market : we just got the better alternative, which sucked.
18:08 mircea_popescu the general idiocy of "the community" ie, the paying public, being the field on which technical solutions have to live.
18:08 asciilifeform msdos was in some very real sense 'soviet' - as in, all the known joys, but a kid can build explosive xxxx at his parents' dacha without being harassed
18:08 mircea_popescu mike_c which kind-of explains WHY microsoft kept apple alive.
18:09 mircea_popescu any sane dog will keep the wolf alive.
18:09 asciilifeform in america this tactic has a name:
18:09 asciilifeform 'good cop / bad cop'
18:09 mircea_popescu democratic party ?
18:09 mircea_popescu aok.
18:09 mike_c keeping apple alive prevented more DOJ attention at the time.
18:09 mircea_popescu in soviet russia this also has a name. vrag naroda etc.
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18:10 mircea_popescu mike_c my meta-point is that, even if not epxlicit, what it really did was it kept people like me pacified
18:10 mike_c hah. gotcha.
18:10 mircea_popescu that'd otherwise have taken a flamethrower at redmond
18:10 mircea_popescu you know, simply shot gates, instead of merely throwing pies.
18:10 bounce er. should kids on tablets be able to interact with the hard drive? it's a bit like asking if drivers should be able to interact with their motor. plenty people prefer stick. esp. in the us plenty people *cannot drive* without automatic
18:11 mircea_popescu what's a free market other than an endless caleidoscope of a mexican standoff
18:11 mircea_popescu bounce also known as "plenty of people in the us cannot drive"
18:11 asciilifeform ;;google good cop/bad cop
18:11 gribble Good cop/bad cop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_cop/bad_cop>; Good cop bad cop (disambiguation) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_cop_bad_cop_(disambiguation)>; Beyond Good Cop/Bad Cop: A Look At Real-Life Interrogations : NPR: <http://www.npr.org/2013/12/05/248968150/beyond-good-cop-bad-cop-a-look-at- (1 more message)
18:11 bounce no need to generalise the point in obvious irrelevancy though
18:11 bounce s/in/&to/
18:12 mircea_popescu i guess.
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18:13 * bounce recalls reading someone lamenting the world didn't go the wossname "persistent" route -- run a program, it'd auto-save to disk. next time you start it, auto-picks up where you left it. but on full OS level.
18:13 mircea_popescu some of the early memories kinda worked this way
18:13 bounce in such an environment it's perhaps easier to see a different abstraction than the "files in directories on drives" we more or less take for granted
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18:14 asciilifeform bounce: as described in my piece, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=231
18:14 mircea_popescu geting the damned thing to actually reboot was hell
18:14 asciilifeform bounce: it has a name. 'orthogonal persistence'
18:14 bounce hm think I read about it elsewhere
18:14 asciilifeform you can actually get nonvolatile memories that work at dram speeds now.
18:14 asciilifeform ;;google MRAM
18:14 gribble Magnetoresistive random-access memory - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetoresistive_random-access_memory>; MRAM-Info | MRAM News, Resources & Information: <http://www.mram-info.com/>; Everspin Technologies, Inc.: <http://www.everspin.com/>
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18:15 bounce anyway, with flash-backed ram those days could be here again
18:15 mircea_popescu also, an illustrative example of why losing weight sucks : http://24.media.tumblr.com/598ef10d6c81db95e785eb68a843857a/tumblr_mlvfgm6KdJ1r0cci7o1_1280.jpg
18:15 asciilifeform they could. but you'd have to incinerate the legacy turdware.
18:15 asciilifeform and probably legacy cpu archs.
18:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.05039879 = 0.2016 BTC [+] {2}
18:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform or simply find a different application
18:16 mircea_popescu this discussion neatly maps on the cellphone/landline discussion.
18:16 mircea_popescu sometimes one gets a chance to start over.
18:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0504 = 0.2016 BTC [+] {3}
18:17 asciilifeform correct.
18:17 asciilifeform genuinely starting over, even in an embedded machine, has cost. see apple's 'newton'.
18:17 mircea_popescu but sometimes that's unavoidable
18:17 mircea_popescu as in, well, this application will require a start-over anyway
18:17 mircea_popescu for x y z unrelated reasons
18:18 bounce has risks though, qv second system effect
18:18 mircea_popescu so might as well try something else.
18:18 mircea_popescu bounce i suspect that risk is mostly mitigated by stalin
18:18 mircea_popescu which is why stalin even exists in the first place.
18:19 bounce 'sdies, even without need you can, iff you have some vision or other to back it up. that's apparently a rare thing, seeing how there's only only jobs and a fsckton of imitators and NIH-botching immitators
18:19 mircea_popescu indeed
18:19 mircea_popescu what's 'sdies ?
18:19 asciilifeform bounce: one of the purposes of stalin is to distinguish between imitators and the genuine article.
18:20 bounce s/di/id/
18:20 bounce this the bloody-handed dead guy or some metaphor I'm missing a reference to?
18:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform or moreover, to make sure that none of the imitators survive
18:21 mircea_popescu (even should it come at a cost of a few genuine heads impaled)
18:21 asciilifeform well, that follows naturally, no?
18:21 asciilifeform once you determine what part of a kitchen is a cockroach and which parts aren't, the next step is clear
18:21 mircea_popescu indeed
18:21 mircea_popescu bounce i used it as a metaphor for a guy who says "you do what i tell you or i kill you" and then proceeds to stick to his word.
18:22 bounce oh. AIUI he'd be wont to kill you for reasons entirely outside your control, too. well perhaps that's apt too.
18:23 mircea_popescu surely he will.
18:23 mircea_popescu one of the chief complaints of my slavegirls is that they have no measure of control over x
18:23 mircea_popescu and my response invariably comes back as "tough".
18:23 bounce you more or less sound like that turkish guy in one of the bond novels
18:24 benkay mircea_popescu regarding weight loss: what, everything sags a little?
18:24 mircea_popescu HOYT: State your name.
18:24 mircea_popescu SOUP NAZI: Yev Kassem.
18:24 mircea_popescu HOYT: Could you spell that?
18:24 mircea_popescu SOUP NAZI: No! Next question.
18:25 bounce not being in control and getting punished for things not under your control are different things though
18:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9952 @ 0.00095181 = 9.4724 BTC [-] {2}
18:25 mircea_popescu benkay those thighs ;/ they look unwomanly.
18:26 mircea_popescu bounce well if you're dealing with stalin, you're not getting punished.
18:26 mircea_popescu you're getting killed.
18:26 Mats_cd03 i find the boobies to be the most erotic part of the woman
18:26 mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 meet my friend freud, he has some observations to make.
18:27 Mats_cd03 does your friend freud have boobies?
18:27 B007 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2014#551356 guys it happend
18:27 ozbot #bitcoin-assets log
18:27 mircea_popescu largest collection in all of vienna
18:28 mircea_popescu B007 o.O
18:28 mircea_popescu mind control!
18:28 B007 I wish
18:29 mircea_popescu my friend freud says that since you said it just as i was going to bed, clearly it's the case.
18:29 B007 did you dream it
18:29 mircea_popescu mnope.
18:29 Mats_cd03 let me know if freud is any good in bed
18:30 benkay ;;seen ninjashogun
18:30 gribble ninjashogun was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 hours, 29 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <ninjashogun> hi, asciilifeform
18:30 asciilifeform lol
18:30 benkay ;;seen CheckDavid
18:30 gribble CheckDavid was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 hours, 37 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <CheckDavid> Haha
18:30 mircea_popescu how to ping random people for fun and profit
18:30 benkay there's some interesting synchronous behavior.
18:31 mircea_popescu i dig BingoBoingo's twitter background
18:32 CheckDavid benkay: @
18:32 CheckDavid *?
18:32 CheckDavid Lol
18:33 bounce I don't suppose there'd be a way to get a ban for selling wow gold overturned on the grounds that blizzard isn't paying taxes over it
18:34 diametric haha
18:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 106 @ 0.00282912 = 0.2999 BTC [-] {6}
18:34 diametric bounce: my experience is banned accounts almost always stay banned, unless you can convince someone you were hacked.
18:35 B007 http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/03/facebook-purchases-vr-headset-maker-oculus-for-2-billion/
18:35 ozbot Facebook purchases VR headset maker Oculus for $2 billion | Ars Technica
18:35 diametric in my experience, i was special banned, and almost sued
18:35 B007 nooooooooooooooooooo
18:35 diametric B007: it is a sad day.
18:36 diametric that belong on the onion..
18:36 benkay zuck wants to point and laugh at carmack the code monkey
18:36 bounce "hacked". anyway.
18:36 mircea_popescu diametric lol you sold wow gold ?
18:37 diametric mircea_popescu: nope
18:37 bounce only $400M and a sack of fool's gold
18:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05402103 = 0.108 BTC [-] {2}
18:37 benkay really?
18:37 benkay whatsapp for 16b and oculus rift for 400m?
18:37 diametric though after they banned me I was very tempted to rape their policies in as many ways as I could.
18:38 benkay that's damn insulting.
18:38 diametric benkay: they didn't buy whatsapp for 16b, they bought 450 million users.
18:40 bounce $4G + shares and things, apparently
18:42 diametric ;;ident diametric
18:42 gribble Nick 'diametric', with hostmask 'diametric!~diametric@2604:3400:dc1:43:216:3eff:fe27:bf9d', is identified as user 'diametric', with GPG key id BDD47433133081CF, key fingerprint 0789CB4F508B384EB74CEFBFBDD47433133081CF, and bitcoin address None
18:43 benkay ;;calc 16000000000/450000000
18:43 gribble 35.5555555556
18:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0568 = 0.1704 BTC [+]
18:44 diametric mircea_popescu: i didn't sell gold, but i did other things that caused them to actually track down my place of employment via linkedin and try to have my fired. I should actually state it wasn't Blizzard. Blizzard was not bad about it, it was the brass as Activision.
18:44 mircea_popescu eh
18:44 diametric I have since decided maintaining a linked in profile is a bad idea.
18:44 mircea_popescu why ?
18:44 mircea_popescu if some random schmucks manage to get you fired you're better off weithout the idiots anyway.
18:45 diametric well, I was never actually in danger of getting fired, I just did not enjoy having that much personally identifiable information hanging out there.
18:45 bounce if you look at the (wikipedia) list of acquisitions it's the userbase they pay most for. actual tech doesn't sell well, databases full of users do.
18:46 B007 ;;ident B007
18:46 gribble Nick 'B007', with hostmask 'B007!~B007@unaffiliated/b007', is not identified.
18:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0509 = 0.2545 BTC [+]
18:48 diametric mircea_popescu: though, I guess they ultimately did me a favor. It broke my addiction to MMOs and gaming in general, though I do play casually from time to time.
18:48 mircea_popescu as far as i can remember i always used tos as toilet paper and never suffered for it.
18:49 benkay great thing about the USG is that there's enough ToS for an entire lifetime of butt wiping.
18:49 benkay and the service ain't that great anyways so fuck 'em.
18:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.10144642 = 2.0289 BTC [-]
18:50 punkman http://www.coindesk.com/moolah-founder-accidently-donates-20-million-dogecoin-to-sponsor-nascar-driver/
18:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0554 = 0.1108 BTC [-] {2}
18:51 mircea_popescu at some point dodgy promoters are going to run out of angles to try and spamvertise donations. then what ?
18:51 punkman they'll never run out
18:52 mircea_popescu ;;google doge coins through wide angle lens!
18:52 gribble Camera Lenses | Nikon Digital Camera Lenses | NIKKOR Lens Optics: <http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Nikon-Products/Camera-Lenses/index.page>; We test the Vtec Wide Angle and Macro Lens for iPhone 4: <http://www.photographymonthly.com/News-and-Reviews/2012/2/We-test-the-Vtec-Wide-Angle-and-Macro-Lens-for-iPhone-4>; Insert Coin: Piper melds home automation and security in a simple ...: (1 more message)
18:53 asciilifeform lol:
18:53 asciilifeform http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Amphenol-Aerospace/PC4-200P/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvffgRu4KC1Rym5G2e07AhcHXsxtPpqbeA%3d
18:53 ozbot PC4-200P Amphenol Aerospace | Mouser
18:53 mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc4DNmq-y8M
18:53 ozbot Craig Show - Animals close-up with a wide angle lens - YouTube
18:53 asciilifeform not every day you see a golden toilet in a catalogue.
18:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.05689999 = 0.5121 BTC [+] {2}
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19:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.0009523 = 14.6654 BTC [+] {3}
19:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3433 @ 0.00095088 = 3.2644 BTC [-]
19:19 dexX7 gribble: can you tell me what 4 pm et in utc is?
19:20 asciilifeform dexX7: gribble is mechanical.
19:20 * asciilifeform pictures some wretch, perhaps in india, employed as a human gribble.
19:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05400053 = 0.216 BTC [-] {3}
19:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6771 @ 0.00095088 = 6.4384 BTC [-]
19:21 dexX7 haha i know
19:21 asciilifeform if hieronymous bosch were alive today, painting pictures of the torments of the damned in hell, perhaps he'd feature a human disk controller
19:22 asciilifeform moving bits in a wheelbarrow, for all eternity
19:24 mircea_popescu ;;google 4pm et in utc
19:24 gribble Converting EST to GMT - World Time Buddy: <http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/est-to-gmt-converter>; Converting UTC to EST - World Time Buddy: <http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/utc-to-est-converter>; Converting EST to UTC - World Time Buddy: <http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/est-to-utc-converter>
19:25 dexX7 ty, i guess it's only a matter of the right question ;)
19:25 mike_c that's weak. it does measurements for you. i guess timezones aren't as popular
19:25 mike_c ;;google 4mm to inches
19:25 gribble inch/mm CONVERSION CHART - Maryland Metrics: <http://mdmetric.com/tech/cvtcht.htm>; Rings & Things - Converting inches to millimeters: <http://www.rings-things.com/resources/inch-mm.html>; mm to inches - millimeters conversion: <http://www.metric-conversions.org/length/millimeters-to-inches.htm>
19:25 mike_c hm, gribble doesn't support it anyway
19:26 bounce ;;calc 0.4*2.54
19:26 gribble 1.016
19:26 mike_c gribble > google
19:26 bounce that can't be right
19:26 mike_c it's not :)
19:26 bounce ;;calc 2.54/0.4
19:26 gribble 6.35
19:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.00294126 = 0.4118 BTC [+] {8}
19:27 mike_c ;;calc 4/25.4
19:27 gribble 0.157480314961
19:28 bounce right. time for bed.
19:30 asciilifeform http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/03/irs-bitcoin/
19:30 ozbot New IRS Bitcoin Rules Pose a Problem Only an Army of Startups Can Solve | Wired Enterprise | Wired.c
19:30 asciilifeform (for the headline lulz)
19:31 asciilifeform '“I think this is going to create a huge opportunity for hosted wallets,” says Jered Kenna, a bitcoin entrepreneur and the CEO of Moneyandtech.com. He believes that the smart bitcoin wallet makers will simply be able to add this as a service, tracking the capital gains and losses as you spend your bitcoins through the year, and maybe even issuing you a convenient 1099 at the end of the year.'
19:32 asciilifeform on what planet do people want this.
19:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 9 @ 0.08220512 = 0.7398 BTC [-] {5}
19:34 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: On the planet where the rectothermal is repackaged as a fashionable relaxation on par with massage and enemas here.
19:34 benkay the planet where the führer's shit is the only cake you've ever eaten.
19:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16821 @ 0.00095007 = 15.9811 BTC [-]
19:36 jurov yall don't understad. They are Proudly Officially Recognized for once!
19:36 asciilifeform many years ago, a 'seedy' and much-beloved bar in my town was torched at night, by unknown saboteurs. the local rag proclaimed that 'this is an opportunity! the land will be put to good use by respectable developers!'
19:37 asciilifeform ever since, whenever i see the english word 'opportunity' in the idiot press, i think of just this.
19:37 asciilifeform in other news: in california it is illegal to teach - anything - without a permit:
19:37 asciilifeform http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/01/california-hacker-bootcamps
19:37 ozbot California Cracks Down on Hacker Boot Camps | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com
19:38 benkay learning is illegal
19:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2640 @ 0.00281087 = 7.4207 BTC [-] {13}
19:38 jurov since fucking is, everything follows
19:39 Apocalyptic fucking is illegal now N
19:40 mircea_popescu yeah, jared kenna
19:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
19:40 jurov in the US most of it is
19:40 mircea_popescu the guy who stole a bunch of customer funds
19:40 mircea_popescu and then ran off and made a real estate development which floundered
19:40 mircea_popescu and then tried to come back to bitcoin for more and got smashed
19:41 mircea_popescu and now imagines somehow he'll be allowed to hold customer funds.
19:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00094728 = 16.8142 BTC [-] {2}
19:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7431 @ 0.00094721 = 7.0387 BTC [-]
19:42 BingoBoingo Well, it's by the Wired guy who got pissy on twitter.
19:42 jurov kenna strives to have his scam documented in IRS-compliant manner
19:43 jurov and that will be his undoing
19:44 mircea_popescu eh, currently the usg policy is something along the lines of "well why put away the scammers, they're useful players"
19:44 mircea_popescu in that you can always have them inform on anyone else stupid enough to be in business with them.
19:46 mircea_popescu as far as the alphabet soup is concerned, the ideal situation is to have everything penetrated by people like kenna.
19:46 mircea_popescu on one hand they're scum anyway, so not likely they'll suddenly discover a backbone, and on the other hand even if they were to try you already have enough on them to put them away for a long, long time.
19:47 asciilifeform this is the phoundation in 1 sentence.
19:47 mircea_popescu myeah.
19:47 asciilifeform it's why 'gox == btc' in the us press, etc.
19:47 mircea_popescu the problem with this, of course, is that it doesn't actually work.
19:48 mircea_popescu which is the fundamental reason why stuff like the wot and otc trade and so forth are so important.
19:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14079 @ 0.00095052 = 13.3824 BTC [+]
19:49 ninjashogun Google Securities Act Section 2(a)(1) and read the first sentence
19:49 ninjashogun Google: "Securities Act Section 2(a)(1)" and read the first sentence
19:50 ninjashogun and Google: "Exchange Act Section (3)(a)(10)" and read the first sentence (of the pdf)
19:50 BingoBoingo ;;google Securities act
19:50 gribble Securities Act of 1933 - Securities and Exchange Commission: <https://www.sec.gov/about/laws/sa33.pdf>; Securities Act of 1933 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Securities_Act_of_1933>; Securities Act Of 1933 Definition | Investopedia: <http://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/securitiesact1933.asp>
19:51 ninjashogun "Mr. Viragh, \p If it constitutes a security, yes. \pThe definition of security is included in Securities Act Section 2(a)(1) and Exchange Act Section (3)(a)(10). In addition, the term “investment contract” has been further defined by court cases. While the determination that “stocks” and “bonds” are securities may be fairly simple (because they are specifically named in these definitions), the determination
19:51 ninjashogun as to whether something is an investment contract is a fact-specific analysis. \p The Division of Trading and Markets "
19:51 ninjashogun (at the SEC.)
19:52 ninjashogun I asked about accepting bitcoin for shares on my site - since it's "play money" (monopoly money) that is PC software and anyone can run it (like a video game) to generate the virtual internet coins.
19:54 ninjashogun PDF of the original Securities Act (relevant section): https://www.sec.gov/about/laws/sa33.pdf PDF of Exchange Act: https://www.sec.gov/about/laws/sea34.pdf
20:00 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
20:00 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 583.77, vol: 8107.38220171 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 581.0, vol: 4810.71151 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 583.9899, vol: 4888.78347245 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 600.01, vol: 34.50767128 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 575.192574, vol: 2277.19400000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 584.0, vol: 5.97791428 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 587.35, vol: 41.56679934 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
20:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 998 @ 0.00013639 = 0.1361 BTC [+]
20:02 mircea_popescu ;;eauth mircea_popescu
20:02 gribble Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452
20:03 mircea_popescu ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:15fe50f1e823040fe9f0418e90b7848df01f4b2a7052ce1bb09784ba
20:03 gribble You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
20:11 mircea_popescu ;;rate FabianB 3 Ruby pympex extension, some trades etc
20:12 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user FabianB has changed from 1 to 3.
20:13 TestingUnoDosTre a little bit late, but this was an awesome comment in the california hacker article "It IS relatively easy for an nationally/regionally accredited operation to advertise a degree program, collect tuition, and then provide low-quality education. Somehow I see a deep parallel, and the problem is what again??"
20:14 mircea_popescu ;;rate pankkake dev, my ATC broker
20:14 gribble Error: 'dev,' is not a valid integer.
20:14 mircea_popescu ;;rate pankkake 3 dev, my ATC broker
20:14 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user pankkake has changed from 1 to 3.
20:14 pankkake I don't qualify for this
20:14 mircea_popescu ;;rate BingoBoingo 3 blogger, my ATC investment banker
20:14 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user BingoBoingo has changed from 3 to 3.
20:14 mircea_popescu pankkake lol wut ?
20:14 pankkake I'm holding like 0.1 BTC worth
20:15 dexX7 re wired: wasn't this mcmillan guy the one who was here a few days ago?
20:15 BingoBoingo dexX7: Yeah
20:15 Apocalyptic doesn't contradict the fact you may be a broker
20:15 mircea_popescu dexX7 possibly.
20:15 BingoBoingo He didn't do much in the public chan
20:15 dexX7 yea
20:16 mircea_popescu ;;rate mike_c 3 blogger, dev
20:16 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user mike_c has been recorded.
20:16 pankkake Not with a rating of 3
20:16 mircea_popescu pankkake how do you know how i score things ?
20:16 pankkake is there a maximum?
20:16 dexX7 10?
20:16 mircea_popescu 10.
20:16 pankkake thought it was 5. maybe then
20:17 mircea_popescu pankkake it seems you're labouring under the misapprehension that these ranks are sort-of like school marks
20:17 mircea_popescu that's not what they are. they're statistical dampeners.
20:17 pankkake no, I just take them as trust
20:17 mircea_popescu the only thing someone's aggregate score tells you is how likely it is for you to have someone who knows him in your network.
20:18 mircea_popescu and the individual score is not "how trustworthy is this guy" but "how well i am acquainted with this guy", ie, how valuable my input may be to a third party asking for references.
20:18 duduqa "misapprehension"...boy, I´m learning good English for free here. Big THANK YOU, Mr. MP
20:18 mircea_popescu duduqa yw
20:18 pankkake I see
20:19 mircea_popescu so in this sense, pankkake, i can mark as 10 someone with whom i only do 0.001 trades, inasmuch as i judge that i can 100% describe them to whoever asks
20:19 mircea_popescu "he'
20:20 mircea_popescu conversely i could keep someone at a 1 even if we trade millions, if it's a hit and run affair and i couldn't really tell them from adam.
20:21 BingoBoingo ;;gettrust pankkake
20:21 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user pankkake: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=pankkake | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=pankkake | Rated since: Thu Jun 6 12:07:25 2013
20:21 BingoBoingo ;;gettrust mircea_popescu
20:21 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 6, Level 2: 11 via 7 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011
20:21 nubbins` interesting system
20:21 mircea_popescu nubbins` it's really how the wot's supposed to work.
20:21 TestingUnoDosTre intruiging
20:22 nubbins` too true
20:22 TestingUnoDosTre I'm confused though
20:22 mircea_popescu it's a web of trust not a web of facebook likes.
20:22 nubbins` i think the highest rating i've left anyone is maybe a 2.
20:22 TestingUnoDosTre Let's say your .001 trader comes around looking to trade 5
20:22 pankkake but I could trust someone I know nothing about
20:22 TestingUnoDosTre how do you judge his merit with your system
20:22 mike_c thanks for rating mp. i have found wot useful even for someone like me with a small graph. you rate people you trust, and then can leech off their ratings.
20:22 mircea_popescu TestingUnoDosTre suppose this guy comes to trade 5 with you.
20:23 mircea_popescu you don't know him, but know me. so you come to me
20:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07349999 = 0.147 BTC [-]
20:23 mircea_popescu "hey, what's this guy worth in trust ?"
20:23 nubbins` ;;rated mircea_popescu
20:23 gribble You rated user mircea_popescu on Thu Oct 17 15:12:06 2013, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: patron of the arts.
20:23 nubbins` yep, top of my charts
20:23 mircea_popescu and i tell you "we've done a bunch of 0.0001 trades and i trust him to so and so and back and forth"
20:23 mircea_popescu and you go "but specifically in this context ? "
20:23 mircea_popescu and i go "well maybe X or maybe Y" etc.
20:24 TestingUnoDosTre too much thinking. I'm going to go create a web of likes and dislikes ;)
20:24 BingoBoingo Basically it is what LinkedIN imagined it could be
20:24 mircea_popescu lol it's the thinking that makes it powerful tho.
20:24 mircea_popescu i can cut through the chase in about ten minutes because of it,
20:24 TestingUnoDosTre just joking. you explained the concept quite well
20:24 mircea_popescu and that's quite why i;'m so distrustful of various "Experts" and "ceos" and whatnot that don't have one.
20:24 pankkake people accept anyone's friendship in linkedin. I always get recruiters as shortest paths, it's useless :(
20:25 TestingUnoDosTre I absolutely hate recruits on linked in. It's like they believe their likelyhood of staying with a company depends on how many contacts they have
20:25 BingoBoingo Basically the part where you contact the raters is why the apserzersorLords aren't keen on the WoT and default to Pirateat40 to justify their sloth
20:25 pankkake they did some things right lately, you can *endorse* people
20:25 nubbins` linkedin sucks
20:25 mircea_popescu meanwhile at the farm of evil, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=271711.msg5902521#msg5902521
20:25 nubbins` i'm suspicious of people who add me on it
20:27 TestingUnoDosTre I've had some Indian dude that I briefly hung out with at work like 3 years ago ask for endorsements on his project management skills. I complied...
20:27 nubbins` heh
20:27 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo the who ?!
20:27 nubbins` yeah, i've had people i worked with 3 years ago "endorse" me for skills out of the blue
20:27 nubbins` doesn't make any sense
20:28 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The forum aspies
20:28 mircea_popescu oh oh
20:28 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: And the wanna be Ceo aspies
20:28 nubbins` "the hr manager at your first job out of university has endorsed you for the following skills"
20:28 nubbins` GREAT
20:28 pankkake I've been endorsed for skills the people endorsing me knew nothing about. that's because it bugs you to endorse people…
20:28 mircea_popescu useless social bs.
20:28 nubbins` ^
20:28 BingoBoingo The people for whom any social interaction is a greater burden then clicking button on whatever virtual BBQ retreat they go to
20:28 nubbins` linkedin: it's like facebook, but without your friends and family
20:28 mircea_popescu kinda why i love nanotube. he's a geek, and he's not making the wot any more social than it is
20:29 * nubbins` endorsed you for the following skills: beard-growing
20:29 pankkake I removed a lot of friends this year actually
20:30 pankkake ahah
20:30 * mircea_popescu endorses you for your girlfriend. and also endorses her.
20:30 mircea_popescu where en-dors-ing would mean...well...
20:31 mircea_popescu something to do with behinds.
20:31 ninjashogun mircea_popescu, weaker than usual pun :)
20:31 TestingUnoDosTre oh my gawd that comment is priceless https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=271711.msg5902582#msg5902582
20:31 * nubbins` endorsals your gf for the following skills
20:32 nubbins` rusty trombones
20:32 nubbins` hot carls
20:32 mircea_popescu it's getting harder and harder to argue with that chick
20:32 mircea_popescu davout she totally owned joo :D
20:32 mircea_popescu endorsaled!
20:33 nubbins` her ignore button is no longer yellow, -1
20:33 mircea_popescu "would ignore again ++++"
20:33 pankkake because of thermos
20:33 nubbins` heh
20:33 nubbins` pankkake really?
20:34 pankkake yes, because it slows down the server or some crap
20:34 nubbins` so you could say that thermos has... INSULATED her?
20:34 * nubbins` cackles
20:34 pankkake because that obviously can't be cached…
20:34 nubbins` btctalk is fucked these past few days
20:34 nubbins` i get a 500 error upon first connect, without fail
20:34 nubbins` hit refresh, it loads
20:34 pankkake who's behind https://bitcointa.lk/ by the way?
20:34 nubbins` open a thread w/ images, all broken. refresh, all there.
20:35 dexX7 hehe wanted to drop bitcointa.lk too
20:35 nubbins` pankkake: i think thermos is, so he can cut and run with the forum upgrade funds
20:35 nubbins` ;D
20:35 dexX7 http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/208sss/say_hello_to_2014_bitcointalk_i_created/
20:35 ozbot Say Hello to 2014, Bitcointalk. I created Bitcointa.lk, a real alternative to Bitcointalk.org. 5 mil
20:35 mircea_popescu o wait wait... the 3k btc worth of server can be slowed down ?
20:36 mircea_popescu dexX7 maybe drop the guy a note to come by ?
20:36 mircea_popescu i think pretty much everyone likes him by now.
20:36 TestingUnoDosTre what did he do?
20:37 mircea_popescu an undeletable tardstalk
20:37 mircea_popescu well... undeletable by the same crowd at any rate.
20:37 TestingUnoDosTre did that guy just copy bitcointalk?
20:38 dexX7 it's a mirror
20:39 BingoBoingo http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/no-women-allowed-why-men-served-lunch-nuclear-summit-n61706
20:39 ozbot No Women Allowed? Why Men Served Lunch at Nuclear Summit - NBC News
20:40 davout mircea_popescu: haha yeah, "ceci n'est pas un ownage"
20:40 dexX7 i think this is the original thread on btctalk https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=515932.0
20:40 mircea_popescu http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CD0QtwIwAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.secretservice.gov%2Fjoin&ei=9CEyU9nLH82shQf-toCIBg&usg=AFQjCNE_cmlK613EqMnFHoIjvZgI30-x-Q
20:41 nubbins` davout: "but it is an ownage!" "okay, then, smoke it" "..."
20:41 mircea_popescu hey, anyone recall that iconic confidence scam scene where the guy pretends to be an ex marine waiting for a money order ?
20:41 davout i know of one where the guy pretended to be a pirate or sthg
20:41 mircea_popescu no, he pretended to be a stranded marine
20:42 mircea_popescu prmised the mark 30 bucks out of his inexistent check,
20:42 mircea_popescu mark gets his check first, offers 30 bucks
20:42 mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Riy4God934c
20:42 ozbot House of Games (1987) - Short Con - Western Union Scene - YouTube
20:43 mircea_popescu ty invisible hand
20:47 TestingUnoDosTre hahaha that was awesome
20:48 nubbins` house of brutal acting
20:49 mircea_popescu yeah they can't act
20:49 mircea_popescu kinda makes the thing stronger, imo.
20:50 punkman good movie
20:50 punkman that "thank you sir, may I have another" was hilarious in the end
20:51 nubbins` hm, mamet
20:51 nubbins` i saw glengarry glen ross earlier today for the first time
20:52 mircea_popescu one should never see that film for the first time.
20:53 mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=520882.msg5902901#msg5902901
20:53 ozbot Interacting with fiat institutions [such as the SEC], a guide
20:54 nubbins` i don't know what that means
20:54 mircea_popescu lol !b 1
20:54 nubbins` you ruined it ;(
20:55 mircea_popescu aww
20:55 assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1756474/plain/)
20:55 nubbins` !b 4
20:55 * nubbins` cackles
20:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.60235671 = 10.8424 BTC [-] {10}
20:55 nubbins` so my folks don't like their neighbours. the kid just got hauled off in a cop car. mom sez:
20:56 nubbins` "Young Ronnie is just gone off in a cop car. Looks like he's handcuffed. Bozo and Dogface left right after in their car."
20:56 nubbins` heh
20:56 mircea_popescu bozo and dogface ? your folks sound pretty cool.
20:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 77 @ 0.00602382 = 0.4638 BTC [-] {7}
20:56 nubbins` mom had a glass of wine with supper, guess she's all brazen now
20:57 mircea_popescu nubbins` anyway, the comment was a contrived "you should see it multiple times"
20:57 nubbins` aha, i figured as much
20:57 TestingUnoDosTre Alright... this video get's boring between like 0:30 and 1:45, but it produces continual excitement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o96MUuM-UM
20:57 TestingUnoDosTre * after that
20:57 nubbins` between that and wall street last night, i ended up remembering that "salesman" was totally a thing that men were, for a while there
20:58 nubbins` so anyway the movie recommendations from you guys are 2 for 2 so far
20:58 nubbins` what's next?
20:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.048 = 0.192 BTC [-] {2}
20:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05739998 = 0.1722 BTC [+]
20:58 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/category/trilematograf/
20:58 ozbot Trilematograf pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
20:59 mircea_popescu o look what i found! asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2011/daca-eram/ an excursion in the romanian ribald tradition
20:59 nubbins` hm, i've seen maybe 90% of the english movies you've reviewed
21:00 mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOZztHuPfmg < part of it with interpretation
21:00 ozbot Parazitii - Daca Eram (Necenzurat) - YouTube
21:00 nubbins` cannibal holocaust was a piece of shit
21:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.04939866 = 0.3458 BTC [+] {5}
21:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05403334 = 0.3242 BTC [-] {4}
21:01 mircea_popescu it was lol.
21:01 mircea_popescu "Daca eram un canibal si te prindeam cu o urata te luam la pula-n scurt baga-mi-as pula-n ea de strimba."
21:01 mircea_popescu intraductible.
21:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.054 = 0.108 BTC [-] {2}
21:02 mircea_popescu "Daca eram gropar te ingropam drept in ocean si-apoi la vaduva-i bateam, zimbind, cu pula-n geam." if i were an undertaker i'd had undertook you straight to the ocean and then i'd be arround knocking in the widow's window with my inflamed schlong
21:05 BingoBoingo ;;later tell benkay Idea
21:05 gribble The operation succeeded.
21:06 BingoBoingo Monopoly goes BernanKoin http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/03/25/monopoly_house_rules_hasbro_is_crowdsourcing_changes_to_the_official_rulebook.html
21:06 mircea_popescu anyone seen revenge of the cheerleaders btw ?
21:06 nubbins` the mint doesn't fuck off with these "9x% sold out!" emails
21:06 nubbins` i read "9x% sold out" and i translate as "we're having a hard time getting rid of these shit coins!"
21:06 mircea_popescu possibly worse than canibal holocaust. also tits and ass.
21:06 benkay what's this notion you have BingoBoingo?
21:07 nubbins` CH borders on Troma territory
21:07 nubbins` like what was the one... I Was a Nymphomaniac Barbarian in Dinosaur Hell, or something?
21:07 * nubbins` shakes head at the memory
21:07 mircea_popescu nubbins` revenge of the cheerleaders thing is basically "rent an old space opera B set, make some floozies run naked around it"
21:07 nubbins` funny style of revenge
21:08 mircea_popescu it's not that it doesn't make sense
21:08 mircea_popescu it's more that you can't figure out what it doesn't make sense about.
21:08 nubbins` heh.
21:08 nubbins` "this isn't right. it isn't even wrong"
21:08 mircea_popescu amir speaking in an amir-designed microphone would be a decent approximation
21:08 mircea_popescu yeah.
21:09 nubbins` now i'm imagining a man shouting into a sandwich
21:09 mircea_popescu into half a sandwich which for some reason has some packing peanuts glued to a jello tin
21:10 nubbins` heh
21:10 nubbins` "maybe it
21:10 nubbins` 's not turned on"
21:10 mircea_popescu "then why the erection"
21:10 nubbins` pouring drain cleaner on it
21:10 nubbins` stapling it
21:10 nubbins` etc
21:11 nubbins` so we're set to have a -- no joke, this is what they're calling it -- "weather bomb" on wednesday night/thursday morning
21:11 mircea_popescu someone set your weather the bomb ?
21:12 TestingUnoDosTre <BingoBoing> absolutely great article on monopoly house rules
21:13 mircea_popescu your client truncates TestingUnoDosTre
21:13 mircea_popescu davout how the fuck do you have more activity than mpoe-pr
21:13 mircea_popescu do you even sleep!
21:14 nubbins` i even saw davout posting on reddit today
21:15 nubbins` anyway, should be a shit show, since the city laid off 80 of its 130 snow clearing workers this past friday
21:15 davout mircea_popescu: that's because you'll always be a newfag to me :D
21:15 nubbins` resulting in such situations as this:
21:16 nubbins` ...as i fail to find the link
21:16 nubbins` anyway a garbage truck was making its way down a steep road, lost control, picked up TWO CARS parked on the curb and brought them down with it
21:16 nubbins` finally smashed into an SUV at the bottom of the hill, saving the occupants of the adjacent house from certain death
21:17 nubbins` https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjlgQqVIEAA8DKY.jpg
21:17 nubbins` there we go
21:18 nubbins` for reference, that picture was taken 3pm today and the snow stopped falling YESTERDAY.
21:18 nubbins` https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bjlf19dIIAAYDa8.jpg
21:19 nubbins` ah, heh, i actually know that tall garbageman in between the truck and the green car
21:20 nubbins` he always posts facebook status updates about the heavy metal CDs he's listening to in the truck that day, and says things like "heavy metal garbage truck: where long hair is the law"
21:20 moiety evening mews all :)
21:20 moiety hows everyone?
21:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 800 @ 0.00266649 = 2.1332 BTC [-] {27}
21:21 benkay i have a beer-suds mewstach, moiety
21:22 moiety excellent work benkay, i have a pressed grape thingamajig here, i dont think it will give me a mewstache though D:
21:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04800133 = 0.144 BTC [-] {2}
21:22 nubbins` i'm debating running to the store before it closes
21:22 moiety do it because 5 minutes after it does you will wish you had gone
21:22 moiety or is that just me?
21:22 nubbins` http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/father-ordered-to-leave-canada-after-choking-daughter-1.2585455?cmp=rss
21:22 ozbot Father ordered to leave Canada after choking daughter - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
21:22 nubbins` man throttles daughter in greasy fish-and-chips shack
21:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00260697 = 0.7821 BTC [-] {3}
21:23 benkay you'd think at 30 he'd be glad to get shot of her
21:23 cedivad "an undeletable tardstalk"
21:23 nubbins` the best part is where it says she secretly already married the guy
21:23 cedivad that's me, yes
21:23 moiety o.o "...went into the washroom to text her boyfriend, who happened to be at the police station laying charges against Alshaek for the earlier incident at the restaurant." well that probably helped the case
21:24 nubbins` cedivad, welcome
21:24 nubbins` the best part is at the end. apparently it was the new husband who should have been choking her
21:24 nubbins` "Alshaek said through an interpreter that if he'd known that, it would have changed everything. Alshaek said he would not longer have been responsible for disciplining his daughter — that would fall to the husband."
21:25 adolf_fishler .bait
21:25 ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5nhhpWIlj1qc1he5o1_500.jpg
21:25 nubbins` the greasy spoon in question is maybe a 5 minute walk from here
21:25 TestingUnoDosTre still truncating/
21:25 adolf_fishler too fat.
21:25 adolf_fishler .bait
21:25 ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5j3ir0SZC1qkoo3yo1_500.jpg
21:25 adolf_fishler not fat enough
21:25 adolf_fishler .bait
21:25 ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m63x0ulTmf1qdhl8uo1_1280.jpg
21:25 adolf_fishler whoa, too much dick
21:25 davout bah
21:25 adolf_fishler who let the man in here
21:25 adolf_fishler .bait
21:25 ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m66fsaCWxE1r1rxrbo1_500.png
21:26 nubbins` bum shelf
21:26 pankkake http://cdn-w.pornstarblognetwork.com/clubkacistar.com/public_html/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Kaci-Starr-Teasing-005.jpg
21:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.048 = 0.192 BTC [-] {2}
21:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.054 = 0.216 BTC [-] {2}
21:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.10144642 = 0.4058 BTC [-] {2}
21:27 adolf_fishler who the fuck is that
21:27 adolf_fishler ?
21:27 pankkake answer in url
21:27 adolf_fishler someone needs to put that whale
21:27 adolf_fishler back into the sea
21:27 benkay :(
21:27 nubbins` ah fuck the store closes in three minutes
21:27 nubbins` it's too late D:
21:27 benkay that first one was great
21:27 pankkake i thought you wanted fatter
21:27 nubbins` someone recommend a movie
21:27 adolf_fishler haha
21:28 benkay Tank Girl
21:28 nubbins` veto
21:28 adolf_fishler no you severely underestimated
21:28 adolf_fishler the fattness
21:28 adolf_fishler of my request
21:28 adolf_fishler i want her to be like, cant get out of bed
21:28 adolf_fishler and i have to wash her fat rolls daily
21:29 Duffer1 nubbins`someone recommend a movie >> The Secret of Nimh
21:29 nubbins` seen it
21:29 benkay the fourth fast and the furious
21:29 nubbins` :(
21:29 Duffer1 The Dark Crystal
21:29 nubbins` seen it
21:29 nubbins` (great movie btw)
21:29 benkay neverending story
21:29 moiety oh btw nubbins` you are the only other person ive met (otherthan who showed it to me) that has seen Funny Games, highly underrated film
21:29 nubbins` guys i'm 32 years old
21:30 cazalla kaci starr is fine for me, love em chubby like that
21:30 Duffer1 same nub ^.^
21:30 nubbins` moiety: the silence+breakdown at the end shook me to the core
21:30 adolf_fishler http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2013/070/9/d/4_sexy_chinese_girls_by_cfs5403-d5xoxjm.jpg
21:30 adolf_fishler here is not bad
21:31 nubbins` i guess i didn't spec it out enough
21:31 nubbins` recommend a movie for adults that isn't about honda civics
21:31 adolf_fishler hrm
21:31 adolf_fishler what kind of movies
21:31 adolf_fishler u like?>
21:31 moiety the red hair but on the farthest right girl would be perfect
21:31 adolf_fishler matchstick men
21:31 adolf_fishler is a good movie
21:31 adolf_fishler ya she's nice.
21:31 moiety momento nubbins`
21:31 nubbins` an interesting drama or something with intrigue
21:31 adolf_fishler WATCH MATCHSTICK MEN
21:31 nubbins` seen memento
21:31 moiety memento*
21:31 adolf_fishler ITS A GREAT MOVIE
21:31 adolf_fishler it wont disappoint.
21:31 moiety cache
21:32 Duffer1 first season of Rick & Morty
21:32 nubbins` nicolas cage, really?
21:32 moiety actually if you thought funny games was disturbing, don't watch cache
21:32 adolf_fishler trust me
21:32 adolf_fishler its his best movie
21:32 adolf_fishler you have to trust me on this one.
21:32 nubbins` that's like saying x is the best altcoin
21:32 adolf_fishler how long have we known each other, TRUST ME
21:32 nubbins` or a blender is the best way to lose your dick
21:32 adolf_fishler it has a good cast
21:32 adolf_fishler - cage
21:32 nubbins` ok, ok, i'll trust you on this
21:32 nubbins` you better not fuck me
21:33 adolf_fishler i wont i promise
21:33 adolf_fishler its a good fucking movie
21:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 115 @ 0.00260346 = 0.2994 BTC [-] {2}
21:33 benkay cage
21:33 benkay nubbins`: u gettans trolled
21:33 punkman nubbins`: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0972542/
21:33 nubbins` benkay i know right?
21:33 moiety nubbins`: have you seen I come with the rain?
21:33 nubbins` nicolas "the numbers are the key to everything" cage
21:33 adolf_fishler ;o
21:33 nubbins` moiety nope
21:34 adolf_fishler no thats jim " everything adds up to 23 " carey
21:34 nubbins` nah cage did one too
21:34 moiety please do at some point, again disturbing but awesomely done
21:34 nubbins` "knowing" or something
21:34 nubbins` altho that did have an EPIC plane crash
21:34 moiety its pretty violent in bits too though, be aware
21:34 nubbins` the movie itself was such a stack of shit
21:34 adolf_fishler yeah
21:34 adolf_fishler it wasn't great.
21:34 adolf_fishler however it ranks high on the list of
21:34 adolf_fishler cage movies ive seen
21:34 adolf_fishler i like con air
21:34 adolf_fishler it was prett ygodo
21:34 adolf_fishler but that could be a john malcovich movie
21:34 adolf_fishler instead of a cage movie.
21:35 nubbins` actually, being john malkovich is maybe the only cage movie i like
21:35 adolf_fishler da fuq
21:35 adolf_fishler cage was in that?
21:35 moiety all i hear is sweet home alabama whenever con air is mentioned
21:35 nubbins` wait fuck that was cusack
21:35 nubbins` HAHAHAH
21:35 adolf_fishler lol
21:35 nubbins` see?
21:35 BingoBoingo nubbins`: What about "Bad Lieutenant"
21:35 nubbins` BingoBoingo: tried it, stopped about 10m in
21:35 Duffer1 Gross Point Blank?
21:35 nubbins` saw it
21:35 Duffer1 cusak
21:35 adolf_fishler if ur gonna watch
21:35 adolf_fishler one cage movie
21:35 adolf_fishler make it match stick men
21:36 nubbins` you sure i shouldn't watch the one about the bees?
21:36 adolf_fishler isnt that sienfeld?
21:36 moiety http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1024744/
21:36 ozbot I Come with the Rain (2009) - IMDb
21:36 adolf_fishler this movie
21:36 adolf_fishler is quite awesome also
21:36 adolf_fishler http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0123755/
21:36 ozbot Cube (1997) - IMDb
21:36 nubbins` saw it
21:36 adolf_fishler cant believe it only gets 7.4
21:36 adolf_fishler u like?
21:36 nubbins` cube is canadian :D
21:36 adolf_fishler o
21:36 adolf_fishler i didnt know
21:37 nubbins` acting sucked, great concept
21:37 moiety how do you feel about subtitles nubbins`?
21:37 thestringpuller http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pdoADutGZg
21:37 nubbins` i don't mind em
21:37 thestringpuller ^- random but like wtf
21:37 nubbins` oh also guys, the real fuckbook is back, according to these ads
21:37 nubbins` apparently their site has too many hot women, so older men join free
21:37 mircea_popescu nubbins` clearly not even the google works in canada now that they fired the snowplows.
21:37 moiety http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0901487/?ref_=nv_sr_2
21:37 ozbot Joheunnom nabbeunnom isanghannom (2008) - IMDb
21:38 moiety The Good The Bad The Weird
21:38 mircea_popescu davout im not that new, i'm like almost bitcoin bodhisattva rank here.
21:38 BingoBoingo nubbins`: Seen Sharknado yet?
21:38 adolf_fishler haha
21:38 adolf_fishler that movie
21:38 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: except for nanotube
21:38 adolf_fishler is amazing
21:38 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
21:38 adolf_fishler the ending
21:38 nubbins` moiety i'm ruined on korean movies
21:38 adolf_fishler is so epic to sharknado
21:38 nubbins` watched too many of them
21:38 cazalla get with the times, it's all about sharkalanche now
21:39 adolf_fishler how about shocktopus
21:39 mircea_popescu "curb it" ahahaha
21:39 moiety nubbins`: Impossible!
21:39 BingoBoingo nubbins`: Which James Bond movies haven't you watched?
21:39 Duffer1 nubbins' http://www.imdb.com/genre/?ref_=nv_ch_gr_5
21:39 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: if you're a bodhisattva nanotube is buddha
21:39 thestringpuller lol
21:39 adolf_fishler someone ban popescu he doesnt have enough women to be in this channel
21:40 nubbins` BingoBoingo: the most recent ones with daniel craig
21:40 mircea_popescu cedivad o hey, nice work.
21:40 BingoBoingo nubbins`: Any of those three are actually great.
21:40 nubbins` ah
21:40 nubbins` well matchstick men is at the top of the list for now
21:40 nubbins` but keep em coming
21:40 moiety http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0382077/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_31
21:40 ozbot Hide and Seek (2005) - IMDb
21:41 nubbins` moiety quotes from that korean movie:
21:41 adolf_fishler rofl
21:41 adolf_fishler i saw that
21:41 adolf_fishler movie was pretty funny
21:41 nubbins` Man-gil: The bounty on your head is 300 won. Yoon Tae-goo: What? I'm only worth a piano? Man-gil: A used one at that.
21:41 mircea_popescu TestingUnoDosTre i dunno, do you see BingoBoingo as <BingoBoingo> or <BingoBoing> ?
21:41 nubbins` 300 won is like $0.30
21:41 moiety OMG nubbins` BEST film ever have you seen The Man From Nowhere????? its the best thing ive ever seen
21:41 moiety its like Taken but with bells on
21:41 BingoBoingo ;;ident BingoBoingo
21:41 gribble Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None
21:42 cedivad thank you mircea_popescu
21:42 Duffer1 nubbins' Dark City
21:42 * moiety got excited - spologies
21:42 moiety apologies*
21:42 nubbins` moiety: srsly, i'm ruined on korean movies
21:42 nubbins` i lost count of how many gritty revenge thrillers i saw
21:42 nubbins` Duffer1 saw it
21:42 adolf_fishler i thought u said
21:43 moiety sigh ok, watch I come with the rain , its a thai director but its english language
21:43 adolf_fishler girthy revenge thrillers
21:43 adolf_fishler iwas confused for a sec
21:43 mircea_popescu wait is bodhisattva good ?
21:43 mircea_popescu i thought it was kinda sucky
21:43 nubbins` not sure but it was the name of a dispensary in Weeds
21:43 thestringpuller lol
21:43 nubbins` which, incidentally, sucked
21:43 thestringpuller nancy botwin....
21:44 nubbins` so full circle there i guess
21:44 thestringpuller made that show suck
21:44 thestringpuller they should have just killed her off and replaced her
21:44 moiety how many arms does it have? or belly size....generally an indication
21:44 mircea_popescu adolf_fishler which one are you ?
21:44 nubbins` heh
21:45 mircea_popescu nubbins` you saw true romance ?
21:45 adolf_fishler which one?
21:45 nubbins` yep
21:45 adolf_fishler go on
21:45 mircea_popescu how about four rooms ?
21:45 adolf_fishler omg
21:46 adolf_fishler popescu
21:46 adolf_fishler so few people
21:46 adolf_fishler know that movie
21:46 adolf_fishler epic movie
21:46 adolf_fishler wierd as shit but i love it
21:46 adolf_fishler the dead person in the bed is my fav part
21:46 nubbins` four rooms, saw it
21:46 mircea_popescu jackie brown ?
21:46 nubbins` i think bruce willis was uncredited in that
21:47 nubbins` saw it
21:47 nubbins` many times, most recently last month
21:47 adolf_fishler he was great there also
21:47 moiety Donnie Brasco!
21:47 nubbins` saw it
21:47 nubbins` also great
21:47 mircea_popescu casino, bronx story, etc
21:47 nubbins` saw, saw
21:47 adolf_fishler home alone 2
21:47 moiety i love casino but i havent seenbronx story
21:47 adolf_fishler the porno.
21:47 mircea_popescu o i got one you've not seen : hot summer in the city
21:48 mircea_popescu 70s sexploitation.
21:48 BingoBoingo nubbins`: Maybe instead of watching make the shitty animated version of -assets?
21:48 nubbins` mircea_popescu actually, saw it
21:48 nubbins` i have a friend with a massive collection of blax
21:48 nubbins` blacula, black jesus, etc
21:48 nubbins` blackenstein
21:48 mircea_popescu o hey.
21:48 moiety lol blacula
21:48 adolf_fishler how come
21:48 mircea_popescu you gotta send me this.
21:48 adolf_fishler transylvania
21:48 adolf_fishler is associated with dracula?
21:48 adolf_fishler in my mind
21:49 nubbins` adolf_fishler prolly some crossed wires
21:49 adolf_fishler hrm
21:49 adolf_fishler could be
21:49 nubbins` dracula was from ohio
21:49 moiety youve watched too much sesame street adolf_fishler
21:49 mircea_popescu nubbins` you seen white cat, blakc cat ?
21:49 adolf_fishler lies
21:49 adolf_fishler theres a nintendo game!
21:49 nubbins` nope
21:49 BingoBoingo Ohio is THE worst
21:49 mircea_popescu a, great film. you'll prolly love the music.
21:49 nubbins` yugoslav romantic comedy?!
21:49 moiety wait is there actual cats in this mircea_popescu
21:50 mircea_popescu not really romantic in any sense
21:50 nubbins` incidentally i noticed there was some Talking Heads in wall street
21:50 Apocalyptic is four rooms any good ?
21:50 mircea_popescu but bregovic plays.
21:50 mircea_popescu Apocalyptic definitely.
21:50 nubbins` Apocalyptic its worth a watch
21:50 nubbins` tim roth, pre-tupac
21:50 mircea_popescu moiety just a pair.
21:50 Apocalyptic k guys
21:50 mircea_popescu nubbins` how about sea of love ?
21:50 mircea_popescu old pacino.
21:50 nubbins` haven't seen it, and we have a winner.
21:51 mircea_popescu nubbins` also, malena must see.
21:51 nubbins` so sea of love, gravity, and matchstick men
21:51 * nubbins` pops corn
21:52 mircea_popescu and spielen with liebe, and for that matter bycicle thieves
21:52 mircea_popescu with lol
21:52 mircea_popescu mit
21:52 nubbins` liebe und frieden!
21:52 BingoBoingo My goal for the next year. Meet up sort of people to start asking other meetup people if they are me https://twitter.com/DorianSatoshi/status/448634060307705856
21:53 Duffer1 nubbins' The Fountain
21:53 mircea_popescu also liz taylor'
21:53 mircea_popescu s weird movies. x y and zee
21:54 moiety has anyone seen this http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097108/ i just remember it being really strange
21:54 mircea_popescu oh and vozvrashchenie
21:54 mircea_popescu moiety was so-so
21:54 mircea_popescu thye didn't do nearly enough nudity i nythe 80s
21:55 moiety one of those they focussed too much on making it look a certain way and not on the story
21:55 nubbins` fountain looks ok
21:55 mircea_popescu an entire decade of these completely stranged movies, that are sorta like a 15yo prissy rendition of "risque"
21:55 mircea_popescu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakville,_Washington
21:55 ozbot Oakville, Washington - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
21:55 mircea_popescu spermdrops falling on my farm, boy...
21:56 Duffer1 nubbins' it wasn't my favorite, but i believe it's underrated
21:56 mircea_popescu nubbins` btw, pink flamingos ?
21:56 moiety lmao @ "handling the blobs"
21:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.048 = 0.192 BTC [-]
21:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.054 = 0.216 BTC [-]
21:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.10144642 = 0.4058 BTC [-]
21:57 mircea_popescu also malizia (the one with laura antonelli_
21:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00270701 = 0.1489 BTC [+]
21:59 mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290799.msg5872355#msg5872355
21:59 ozbot [ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange Now Open with USD, EUR, BTC, LTC, XRP, NMC, XDG
21:59 moiety I have a pink flamingo! http://i.imgur.com/HClc33U.jpg frances, slightly stolen from a hawaiian party
21:59 mircea_popescu so basically kraken claims it passed whatgever "proof of reserves" audit thing
21:59 mircea_popescu but there's scores of people ciomplaining they've not received their withdrawals etc
21:59 mircea_popescu on the off chance anyone here was silly enough to have btc there, prolly a good idea to get them out asap, this looks as awful as it getds.
22:00 mircea_popescu moiety tis a film tho.
22:00 BingoBoingo md4 puzzle HEX: 50BF68999A8C67CE26B191DCA5D331A8 or B64: UL9omZqMZ84msZHcpdMxqA==
22:00 moiety mircea_popescu: bubble burst
22:00 BingoBoingo Kraken has been toxic almost as long as vircurex, haven't they?
22:00 mircea_popescu kakobrekla https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg5862210#msg5862210 <<< you broke it!
22:01 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo nah, much more recent, and originally they looked legit
22:01 mircea_popescu something that never really was the case for vircurex
22:02 BingoBoingo Well they pulled their name after your PR supposed a Pirate like thing named Craken in the famous Posting the called out Pirate
22:02 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524071.msg5896886#msg5896886
22:02 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo did they ?
22:02 mircea_popescu RagnarsBitch who the fuck is ragnar ?
22:02 Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, they just finished a 5 mio funding round
22:02 BingoBoingo Well, WHat came first them or the PR saying how to clone Pirate post?
22:02 mircea_popescu ragnar le viking ?
22:03 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo pirate post was april 2012, kraken was like august 2013ish
22:03 mircea_popescu Apocalyptic except they had a 600 btc hole from before.
22:03 mircea_popescu that's 3-4mn of the round.
22:03 Apocalyptic i guess that's why they did it
22:03 mircea_popescu and in general holes are rarely solo.
22:04 BingoBoingo See, the Kraken name's jsut always seemed too toxic.
22:04 Apocalyptic but then kinda dubious why would some potential investors want to patch that hole
22:04 mircea_popescu Apocalyptic you saw actual paper that it actually happened ?
22:04 BingoBoingo Apocalyptic: WHo says they know better?
22:04 mircea_popescu in general nothing keeps someone from claiming they got funded.
22:04 Apocalyptic I didn't
22:05 BingoBoingo Apocalyptic: "Investors" patched Vircurex's 1000+ BTC hole the first time...
22:05 Apocalyptic true, so you think it's just some PR move on thin air ?
22:05 Apocalyptic BingoBoingo, unwillingly so
22:05 asciilifeform re: kraken et al: makes me wonder how much chumpatronium fuel is left.
22:05 mircea_popescu i don't think anything any particular way
22:05 asciilifeform do we get to see 'Peak Chump' ?
22:05 mircea_popescu but their pr is spiraling out of control in a certain pattern. that's usually the end sign.
22:05 BingoBoingo Apocalyptic: You might be confusing that with the second hole in vircurex.
22:05 Apocalyptic I may indeed
22:05 mircea_popescu asciilifeform peak chump actually was 2011.
22:05 mircea_popescu in btc terms
22:05 Apocalyptic haven't followed that vircurex story since the beginning
22:06 asciilifeform '11 was before the fiat world shat forth the 'btc investment phunds' etc
22:06 asciilifeform so perhaps peak chump is now. or, shortly.
22:06 Apocalyptic <mircea_popescu> i don't think anything any particular way // your question seemed to imply otherwise
22:07 BingoBoingo Vircurex went: 1) hole 2) Investment 3) hole boogaloo 4) scam 5) BTC-TC and Buttfunder died 6) Cryptostocks scamissance 7) Advertising "Interest" 8) Freeze Mothafucker
22:07 asciilifeform it's like watching a 'bug zapper'
22:07 mircea_popescu Apocalyptic im just not taking anything for granted at this point.
22:07 asciilifeform flitter - flitter - bzzz
22:07 Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, fair enough
22:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes but back then 1k btc was peanuts.
22:07 asciilifeform point
22:08 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Vircurex's AssPO was actually spring 2013
22:08 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo well yeah
22:08 BingoBoingo When a BTC was ending it's cheapphase
22:09 BingoBoingo Eh, I know what Imma blogging tonight. Asparagus is going to have to wait.
22:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 42 @ 0.00532521 = 0.2237 BTC [+]
22:13 BingoBoingo "Vircurex, never even amateur" seem like a decent title for a Vircurex post?
22:13 BingoBoingo The post is basically going to be "Vircurex went: 1) hole 2) Investment 3) hole boogaloo 4) scam 5) BTC-TC and Buttfunder died 6) Cryptostocks scamissance 7) Advertising "Interest" 8) Freeze Mothafucker" with elaboration
22:14 nubbins` hm, raspberry pi reboots when i insert a usb drive
22:14 nubbins` pretty sure that shouldn't happen
22:14 adolf_fishler try throwing it
22:14 adolf_fishler at your dog
22:14 asciilifeform nubbins`: weak voltage regulator
22:14 nubbins` can't; no case, no dog
22:14 MisterE morning
22:14 MisterE neighbor dog
22:14 asciilifeform nubbins`: raspi is a turd in 20 different ways.
22:14 adolf_fishler nieghhhhbors horse
22:14 nubbins` it's a cat neighbourhood
22:14 adolf_fishler lol
22:14 adolf_fishler hoa rules?
22:14 MisterE thats why they so cheep
22:14 adolf_fishler no dogs?
22:14 nubbins` asciilifeform: agreed, but it's lovely for streaming media to the tv :D
22:14 adolf_fishler do people walk cats there?
22:14 asciilifeform nubbins`: one of the worst fiddybucks i ever spent
22:15 nubbins` adolf_fishler: occasionally. mostly they just let em wander
22:15 MisterE cat is the internet spirit animal dont fuck with cats
22:15 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: find the best cat pictures
22:15 BingoBoingo *finds
22:15 nubbins` asciilifeform: not me, but that's just because i've spent fiddy bucks on terrible shit in the past
22:15 adolf_fishler can i has poland?
22:15 adolf_fishler CAN I HAS POLAND?
22:16 adolf_fishler oh its i can has poland.
22:16 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo not really a good title
22:16 mircea_popescu it's not clear what it's supposed to mean.
22:16 nubbins` adolf_fishler: if matchstick men sucks, you're fucking DEAD
22:16 adolf_fishler rofl
22:16 adolf_fishler if matchstick men sucks
22:16 adolf_fishler ill put on an apron
22:16 adolf_fishler and be ur wife
22:16 adolf_fishler for a week
22:16 nubbins` I HAVE A WIFE
22:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
22:16 adolf_fishler well
22:17 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well I asked for a reason
22:17 adolf_fishler ill come fuck her
22:17 adolf_fishler for a week then
22:17 adolf_fishler hows that sound.
22:17 nubbins` adolf_fishler: no you won't, she doesn't like rice
22:17 nubbins` (see what i did there?)
22:17 adolf_fishler lol ;o
22:17 * nubbins` cackles, turns on movie
22:17 adolf_fishler nope
22:17 adolf_fishler oh u dl already?
22:17 adolf_fishler u guys seen matchstick men?
22:17 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: find the best cat pictures << http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/0/38/551/38551326_1232655606_medvedev_i_manul.jpg
22:18 adolf_fishler lol
22:18 adolf_fishler ok i laff
22:18 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3302/reden5.0/0_1d54_b60d10aa_orig
22:18 adolf_fishler in real life
22:18 adolf_fishler what the fuck
22:18 BingoBoingo Those are the ones
22:19 mircea_popescu ok ima have to ignore this dood. too loud.
22:19 adolf_fishler what my enter smashing habbits too much for you?
22:19 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: If our local strays were like that I'd have much less coyote handling to do on my walks
22:20 asciilifeform these aren't housecats, though.
22:20 asciilifeform ;;google manul
22:20 gribble Pallas's cat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pallas's_cat>; Manul – the Cat that Time Forgot ~ The Ark In Space: <http://www.arkinspace.com/2011/04/manul-cat-that-time-forgot.html>; Pallas's Cat Manul - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F13bkwYYcxE>
22:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 998 @ 0.00013639 = 0.1361 BTC [-]
22:21 BingoBoingo Well, coyote handling doesn't involve putting hands to coyotes either
22:22 asciilifeform aha, 'handling' in the german 'Sonderbehandlung' sense.
22:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.10144642 = 1.2174 BTC [-]
22:23 asciilifeform where do you even live that has coyote.
22:23 BingoBoingo Well step 1) spot coyote at a dumpster 2) growl and intimidate coyote away from dumpster 3) Piss on dumpster maintaining eye contact with coyote
22:23 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Illinois
22:23 BingoBoingo Rural southern Illinois
22:25 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo can women do this ?
22:25 BingoBoingo Prolly
22:25 mircea_popescu you ever seen it done ? or know for a fact ?
22:25 moiety asciilifeform: i have a manul as my profile pic now
22:26 BingoBoingo Not seen women do this. Personally done these steps a few times this winter.
22:26 asciilifeform moiety: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoBjtE2ffJs
22:26 moiety lol that one is even bigger!!!!!
22:26 mircea_popescu im kinda curious if it'd work.
22:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0731999 = 0.1464 BTC [-]
22:28 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well coyotes aren't that big and I haven't seen them in packs here.
22:28 mircea_popescu the entire thing'd hinge on whether the animal responds to the behaviour or to the chemical.
22:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform interesting, these aren't really cats, more like leopards.
22:29 asciilifeform ~lynx sized, afaik
22:29 mircea_popescu i originally thought they're basically stray cats that took to the wild
22:29 mircea_popescu but seems not
22:29 asciilifeform it's one of those 'not quite extinct' exotic beasts
22:29 mircea_popescu yea
22:30 asciilifeform for some reason, the archetypical russian lolcat
22:30 moiety lmfao is this cat polite
22:31 mircea_popescu "Like rabbits, after eating they initially produce soft green feces, which they eat again to take in further nutrition, before producing the final, solid, fecal pellets."
22:31 mircea_popescu (pikas)
22:31 moiety the manul is where modern cast comes from, they havent changed in 12 million years
22:31 nubbins` well matchstick men is a piece of shit so far
22:31 asciilifeform it being 'felis', could probably be crossed with housecat
22:32 asciilifeform paging zoologists.
22:32 moiety cats*
22:33 chetty http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/03/25/i-r-s-says-bitcoin-should-be-considered-property-not-currency/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_php=true&_type=blogs&hp&_r=1&
22:33 benkay mircea_popescu: kraken signed with the 600B addy last time i ready
22:33 benkay read*
22:33 moiety i think its a shame they keep them in zoos, they are so solitary their immune systems cant handle living so near people and modern day life, they get sick and die a lot :(
22:34 mircea_popescu benkay sure, but that was never in question. if I have 5 that owe me 600 btc pay to the same one address, the fact that i can prove i have received 600 btc in that address is neither here nor there
22:34 mircea_popescu the fact that i can't univocally resolve their claims is the problem, and decoying it doens't breed confidence.
22:34 mircea_popescu on the contrary, it ruins reputations.
22:35 * asciilifeform pictures a scammer who provides 'wiggle XXX coin address' service to other scammerz
22:35 mircea_popescu http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_matc3bAwmE1qen79bo1_1280.jpg
22:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i imagine it's coming, but it wouldn't have worked in this case.
22:36 moiety asciilifeform: so basically if i want a job involving manuls, i need to go to uni. sucks.
22:36 benkay HAW
22:36 benkay no shit they signed from an addy that wasn't that to which their 600 missing were sent?
22:37 benkay lawd ahmighty
22:37 mircea_popescu benkay no no it's like this :
22:37 mircea_popescu reports surfaced that they showed the same deposit address(es) to multiple users.
22:37 mircea_popescu those people sent btc there.
22:37 asciilifeform this, for some reason, inescapably reminds me of the folks who sell the fake piss to dope aficionados
22:38 mircea_popescu the fact that they can show that some btc made it there is not relevant.
22:38 mircea_popescu the fact that they can't apportion the sent btc to the various users is the problem
22:38 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The way to reduce piss test fraud is to give portions of the tested at times asparagus and other times no asparagus
22:39 mircea_popescu somehow nobody picked on "hey, one address per transaction has its issues as a model" as a result, either.
22:39 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the common factor isn't the sham, but the lack of any serious desire on the part of the shammed to probe deeper.
22:39 MisterE BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu : this is what you need, will solve all your problems... http://i.imgur.com/Po4yC.jpg
22:39 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo for most of the testees having to eat asparagus prolly qualifies as cruel and unusual.
22:39 MisterE I took that pic, real product
22:40 MisterE Asparagus is delecious
22:40 BingoBoingo MisterE: The thing is coyotes don't make sounds like either dogs or cats, they hoot like owls
22:40 MisterE if not overcooked
22:40 BingoBoingo Asparagus is great
22:40 MisterE hOOters eh?
22:41 moiety asciilifeform: what does this one say? http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3302/reden5.0/0_1d54_b60d10aa_orig
22:42 MisterE Beware this credit card scam, tons of guys losing money to it! http://i.imgur.com/1jsoff4.jpg
22:42 asciilifeform moiety: 'so you aren't fond of cats? / then we are coming to you!'
22:42 moiety lololol ty :)
22:42 * moiety adds to manul collection
22:42 adolf_fishler my question
22:42 adolf_fishler who is the camera man here
22:43 MisterE timer
22:49 MisterE yay! http://insecure.org/news/fulldisclosure/
22:51 moiety "a fresh start (rather than importing the old Full Disclosure member addresses)", ie. he wasn't allowed them
22:52 asciilifeform at this point, burden of proof of lack of diabolical (i.e. nsa) involvement is, sadly, on the curator
22:53 asciilifeform mailing lists 'can also have problems'
22:54 BingoBoingo http://gawker.com/cnn-producers-arrested-for-trespassing-at-the-world-tra-1551650052
22:54 ozbot Two CNN Producers Arrested in Sad Attempt to Break into the WTC Site
22:55 asciilifeform http://gawker.com/secret-service-agents-sent-home-from-amsterdam-for-part-1551701724
22:55 ozbot Secret Service Agents Sent Home From Amsterdam For Partying Too Hard
22:56 benkay this is similar to what happens to american kids when they encounter alcohol for the first time at age 18.
22:56 benkay and similar to what happens to the remaining rule abiding ones who wait until they're 21.
22:57 moiety is it just the scots that start at like, 14-16 then?
22:57 benkay so the local three dee printing get together is an utter crankshow
22:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0731999 = 0.2196 BTC [-]
22:58 asciilifeform moiety: is it just the scots that start at like, 14-16 << i thought they started at ~ -1
22:59 asciilifeform moiety: do you folks still have 'drambuie' ?
22:59 BingoBoingo Ugh
23:00 asciilifeform when i think of scotland, i think of drambuie, haggis, bagpipe, and james clerk maxwell.
23:00 asciilifeform together.
23:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.0009529 = 22.2026 BTC [+]
23:00 moiety thats pretty much it
23:00 asciilifeform who needs more.
23:00 moiety and pey, my aunt lives across the road from a drambuie place
23:00 asciilifeform how many nations have a maxwell.
23:01 moiety shes been given free bottles at christmas time and stuff
23:02 asciilifeform re: drambuie: mendeleev's great discovery wasn't periodic table of elements, but how to make strong drink non-flammable.
23:03 asciilifeform ;;google mendeleev 40 degrees
23:03 gribble Dmitry Mendeleev and 40 degrees of Russian vodka - English ...: <http://english.pravda.ru/science/mysteries/21-11-2011/119683-dmitry_mendeleev_vodka-0/>; History of Russian vodka | Mendeleyev | Original Russian alcoholic ...: <http://www.vodka-tf.com/history_of_vodka/>; Vodka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vodka>
23:03 moiety also: add cream, its also the best kind of drambuie
23:04 asciilifeform or perhaps not.
23:04 moiety re James Clerk Maxwell, the building named after him and Edinburger uni is pretty immense http://www.ph.ed.ac.uk/sites/default/files/images/jcmb115-585.jpg?1247494244
23:04 moiety at*
23:04 asciilifeform ;;google the maxwellians
23:04 gribble The Maxwellians (Cornell History of Science): Bruce J. Hunt ...: <http://www.amazon.com/The-Maxwellians-Cornell-History-Science/dp/0801482348>; The Maxwellians by Bruce J. Hunt — Reviews, Discussion ...: <http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3796857-the-maxwellians>; The Maxwellians - Bruce J. Hunt - Google Books: (1 more message)
23:04 asciilifeform recommended.
23:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 239 @ 0.00276703 = 0.6613 BTC [+] {4}
23:05 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you mean on cartwright ? or on fyodor ?
23:06 mircea_popescu lol nioce one BingoBoingo
23:06 asciilifeform cartwright?
23:07 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Which one? The CNN dorks who could not act like white trash?
23:07 mircea_popescu yeah
23:07 BingoBoingo Ah
23:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the original maintainer
23:07 asciilifeform aha
23:07 asciilifeform either
23:07 asciilifeform both
23:07 mircea_popescu and wtf you people with your gawker. what the hell is this, we're supposed to be gun totin' libertarians, we reading gawker nao ?!
23:08 mircea_popescu this is a complete breakdown of the system
23:08 BingoBoingo Gawker amazes me in its ability to oscilate between the relevant and the worst fermented turds in the sun
23:08 asciilifeform 'from entomological interest only', as russians say
23:08 BingoBoingo lol
23:09 mircea_popescu i can;t for the life of me figure how exactly russia taking crimea disqualifies it as an industrialised country.
23:09 asciilifeform 'Like excrement, it contains enough undigested nuggets of nutrition to sustain life for some. But it is not a tasty pie...' - dennis ritchie
23:10 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ever see film 'mean girls' ?
23:10 moiety this is the best woman in russia http://youtu.be/odEiLWJYBL4
23:10 mircea_popescu im not sure. maybe not
23:10 asciilifeform it merely got kicked out of the 'plastik fantastiks', that's all
23:10 mircea_popescu oic.
23:11 benkay hey smartypants: what's the 3d imaging technique where you use some knowledge of the lens distortion to compute a point cloud?
23:11 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The thing is Americans based on pre-fracking thought reflexively seem to disqualify nations capable of producing fuel from the ranks of the industrialized and are only beginning to shine that light on themselves
23:11 mircea_popescu ;;google 3d imaging technique where you use some knowledge of the lens distortion to compute a point cloud
23:11 gribble Point cloud densification - Department of Computing Science ...: <http://www8.cs.umu.se/~tfy98mfn/exjobb/report.pdf>; 2nd Assignment 776-Spring2013_v2: <http://www.cs.unc.edu/~jmf/teaching/spring2013/2ndAssignment2013.pdf>; Photogrammetry - Agisoft: <http://www.agisoft.ru/wiki/Photogrammetry>
23:11 moiety mircea_popescu: if you can remember a time where lindsay lohan had reach puberty but not fucked up on drugs yet (yes it was a small window) that would be mean girls
23:11 mircea_popescu oh i think i know it.
23:12 asciilifeform moiety: best woman in russia << http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/a/ac/%D0%A0%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C_%D0%97%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%91%D1%82_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BC_%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5,_%D0%B2_%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5.jpg
23:12 mircea_popescu sorta the thing that spurred paris hilton's crap, then kardashian's crap etc
23:12 benkay mircea_popescu: why does google work for you and not me
23:12 MisterE Kardashian got famous by being fucked on a reality show iirc?
23:12 benkay photogrammetry, by the way
23:13 mircea_popescu benkay for i am mp, lord of all things ?
23:13 mircea_popescu MisterE but what she was trying to do was a sort of mean girls livetv
23:13 MisterE ahh okj
23:14 mircea_popescu at least that's what i took it for
23:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: industrial machine vision systems live and die by 'programmetry'
23:14 asciilifeform e.g. pcb inspection
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23:14 asciilifeform http://apikabu.ru/img_n/2012-08_6/b6n.jpg
23:15 benkay wow where'd you find that, asciilifeform ?
23:15 mircea_popescu incidentally, i don't see what the fdl brouhaha is all about
23:15 mircea_popescu the dude did it for over a decade
23:15 asciilifeform benkay: places
23:15 mircea_popescu how the fuck long is he supposed to stick with the shtick ?
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23:17 asciilifeform http://anticache.img0.joyreactor.cc/pics/post/%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80-%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D1%83-%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80-%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C-%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BA%D0%B8-%D0%BD%D0%B5-%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%8C-675117.jpeg
23:17 asciilifeform caption: 'girls, calm down'
23:17 MisterE hehe
23:18 asciilifeform http://im6.asset.yvimg.kz/userimages/theyakov/EfsEXtM8qloHc0pny8ekEwIPTI4Y6y.jpg
23:18 mircea_popescu http://24.media.tumblr.com/776e3462fa6e556e23838bba79048a73/tumblr_mkgxfbIZZa1rif94fo2_500.jpg
23:19 benkay just so you know old guys i <3 you and all your wisdom: http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117088/silicons-valleys-brutal-ageism
23:19 benkay “Really, you got this funded?” Stamos asked. Yes, said the kid. “But it obviously didn’t work out,” Stamos replied. Right, said the kid. At which point Stamos began to piece together what must’ve happened. “You collected the data and realized a lot of the data out there is horrible, and you couldn’t make sense of it,” he said. The kid allowed that this was true. “You probably talked to CVS—everyone talks to CVS. And they tho
23:19 benkay the best thing since sliced cheese, but they were never willing to buy it.” Again the kid said yes. “Then you realized that anything you’re doing that has to be regulated, like making medical recommendations, requires FDA approval.” By now the kid was demanding to know how Stamos had guessed all of this. “You see these gray hairs?” he said. “It’s the classic model everyone goes through. I know it from Phase Forward.”
23:20 mircea_popescu lol
23:20 mircea_popescu i think i wrote this somewhere.
23:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07007051 = 0.7007 BTC [-] {5}
23:21 asciilifeform ;;google knowing which screw
23:21 gribble Knowing which screw to turn - Calvin Correli: <http://calvincorreli.com/2007/05/27/knowing-which-screw-to-turn/>; Nail vs. Screw vs. Bolt: Knowing The Right Hardware To Use : Home ...: <http://www.diynetwork.com/home-improvement/nail-vs-screw-vs-bolt-knowing-the-right-hardware-to-use/pictures/index.html>; The Screw - SlideShare: <http://www.slideshare.net/lotharm/the-screw>
23:21 moiety sorry went on a hot croissant/coffee mission
23:22 moiety asciilifeform: ok ok fair point, best news reader in russia
23:22 mircea_popescu that first post is incredibly retarded.
23:23 asciilifeform no idea what's in there
23:23 mircea_popescu "i dunno man, i justr google here"
23:23 asciilifeform ought to be, the ancient legend of 'penny - turn screw, $maxint - 0.01 - which screw'
23:23 mircea_popescu it is yea
23:23 mircea_popescu some fucktarded "life coach" or w/e shits all over it.
23:24 asciilifeform ;;yandex foobar
23:24 gribble Error: "yandex" is not a valid command.
23:24 asciilifeform phuck
23:24 asciilifeform wtf is a life coach
23:25 mircea_popescu some derp that's trying to make a living out of conferences, and looking for sponsors
23:25 benkay 'statistics' aside, "Jones found that people in their thirties contributed about 40 percent of the innovations, and those in their forties about 30 percent. People over 50 were responsible for 14 percent, the same share as the twentysomethings. Those under the age of 19 were responsible for exactly nothing."
23:25 mircea_popescu but under survival pressure has curtailed the conference to just two people
23:25 mircea_popescu and would like you to pick up the tab.
23:25 benkay i guess buterin just misses the cutoff.
23:25 mircea_popescu benkay yeah because "innovations" are now commodified, like brent
23:25 benkay mhm
23:25 benkay you just sink wells randomly, right?
23:25 mircea_popescu author should just make some hamburger already.
23:26 benkay couldn't possibly predict where the sweet stuff is.
23:27 asciilifeform re: commoditized 'innovation' - here's a snipped from me turdbox. translation of a page in pelevin's epic 'snuff' (the one with s/ukraine/orkaine, 'orcs', etc)
23:27 asciilifeform - How come they use the word "sommelier"? - he asked yet another stupid question, - So many different professions, but only one word...
23:27 asciilifeform - That's what they used to call servants who fetched wine. They had big lists of wines, from which gentlemen could choose. And later, this is what they started to call people who dealt in what was once considered creativity.
23:27 asciilifeform - Why?
23:27 asciilifeform - People had already devised all necessary things. Once, long ago, mankind developed in leaps and bounds - not only did the objects around us change constantly, but so did the words we used. In those days there were a great many names for a creative person - engineer, poet, scholar. And all of them constantly invented new things. But that was mankind's childhood. And then it reached maturity. Creativity did no
23:27 asciilifeform t vanish - but it was reduced to choosing from that which had already been created. Figuratively speaking, we no longer grow grapes. We send for a bottle from the cellar. People who carry out this task, we call "sommeliers."
23:28 BingoBoingo ;;ud derp
23:28 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=derp | A simple, undefined reply when an ignorant comment or action is made. Brought to life in the South Park series, when Mr. Derp made a guest apperanc...
23:28 ozbot Urban Dictionary: derp
23:29 BingoBoingo ;;ud herp
23:29 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=herp | Herp. The prefix of "derp". Usually used when saying something foolish. Person 1 : Does anybody know why I can't get my TV to turn on? Person 2: Try plugging ...
23:29 ozbot Urban Dictionary: herp
23:29 moiety my guess i began with someone trying to tell a noob they were more skilled/important than they actually were asciilifeform
23:29 moiety it*
23:29 asciilifeform http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.N.U.F.F.
23:29 ozbot S.N.U.F.F. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
23:30 mircea_popescu moiety probably in a quest to get in her panties.
23:30 mircea_popescu which probably worked, which is why it got perpetuated.
23:30 mircea_popescu I BLAME WOMEN!
23:30 asciilifeform nitpick with pediwikia - the 'batman' in the epic is not wearing a 'batman' costume. he's a bloke who smashes heads with a baseball bat.
23:30 asciilifeform (can you imagine the word 'batman' being remembered as something else?)
23:30 moiety baby daddy is so cool, he's a sommelier you know
23:31 mircea_popescu sooo... aaron spelling is just re-doing the same shit over and over
23:31 VanCleef anyone heard an update from sfi?
23:31 mircea_popescu this baby daddy thing looks exactly like bh20910 or w/e it was
23:33 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: re: 'derp' - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014#507103
23:33 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I'd never forget Birthday logs
23:34 asciilifeform i can't help but think of the 'derp' from that tale, when i see the word, because - believe it or not - i heard it there before elsewhere.
23:35 asciilifeform whereas 'herp' inescapably conjures up herpetaria. or perhaps herpes.
23:36 VanCleef IRS Declares Bitcoin Is Property and Must Be Taxed As Such.....?
23:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00095156 = 10.0865 BTC [-] {2}
23:38 moiety this conversation prompted me to check on our site. my manul doesn't look happy with the cat next to him http://i.imgur.com/k5AUNwZ.png
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23:40 moiety VanCleef: question is, did anyone listen to irs?
23:42 BingoBoingo I forgot how long the Vircurex Dossier was, so in the interim enjoy: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/25/the-curious-case-of-vircurex-part-one-try-to-imagine-the-instrumental-theme-for-the-terminator-playing-in-your-head-as-you-read/
23:43 VanCleef not sure moiety but this is pretty bad
23:43 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Derpasaurii as a construction necessitation clarifying relations between herp and derp
23:43 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ended up misreading as 'Depresaurii'
23:44 asciilifeform depressed/deprecated megafauna
23:44 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, that may be usefull as I turn my notes into a post.
23:44 BingoBoingo They are one of the first ventures in this space I was a customer of
23:45 BingoBoingo I depreciated them from my doings when after hack #1 they revealed they made an exchange on RoR
23:46 asciilifeform speaking of terminology, is there a... 'suburban dictionary' ? 'rural dictionary' ?
23:46 BingoBoingo At that point I imagine they fragment too much
23:47 asciilifeform ;;ud RoR
23:47 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ROR | ROR. Abbreviated form of "Raughing out Roud". ROR! I rike fried wice. by www. severedband.com July 13, 2003. 414 73. Mugs & shirts Buy “ROR” mugs & shirts  ...
23:47 ozbot Urban Dictionary: ROR
23:48 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo much better title :p
23:48 BingoBoingo Thanks mircea_popescu
23:49 BingoBoingo I thought suggesting a 13/16 time signature for a reading cadence at the start might get the gravity of the reading going
23:51 BingoBoingo Publishing the quote untitled with simply notes 1 and 2 was also something I weighed
23:54 KRS-One .bai
23:54 KRS-One .bait
23:54 ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2r52o8tqD1qhi11io1_1280.jpg
23:55 BingoBoingo I have so many vircurex notes
23:56 BingoBoingo If anyone just wants to ask questions and scoop a part of this, I'd be cool with that
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