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02:03 mp_en_viaje BingoBoingo, lulzy usgistani rag you got there!
02:03 snsabot Logged on 2018-08-26 11:09:26 mircea_popescu: finally! let's make the links : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1643192 <-> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-16#1644834 <-> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-05#1666048 (note how correct figure was ~40k not 50k, but w/e, rounding).
02:03 mp_en_viaje ; also hey asciilifeform : http://archive.is/ipDDz
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02:11 BingoBoingo I find the scale of the China drama more humiliating for the US than anything else.
02:14 BingoBoingo With their years in the white house, senate, etc... Did the Clintons pull better than some mayor on the other side of the Pacific?
02:15 mp_en_viaje nope. are you fucking kiddiong me, epic lulz like "uaw investigation" revolve around piddly ~million~ spent on personal luxuries. what the fuck, a mn worth of luxuries, really ? so like... a bathroom ?
02:16 mp_en_viaje hoffa made out better than the entire pile-up of contemporary usgistani bureaucrats.
02:17 mp_en_viaje crime doesn't pay ; and working for the socialists is the capital crime.
02:19 BingoBoingo It also highlights how damn poor the US is
02:20 mp_en_viaje speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-12-02#940849 ; possibly the best compressed illustration of "why ancient, what's wrong with modern" could be had reviewing the phonetis of hoi polloi. so : it was [hoi polloi] in the ancient world, with gemminated l and everyting else good right and proper. it's... well, it's [i poˈli] these days, because "do we still have to DO th
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02:20 mp_en_viaje at" and assorted nonsense.
02:21 mp_en_viaje modern greek "no longer needs" the glottal stop h, nor does it use double-l's for anything, it's "progressed past that, see". sounds like lazy dogs talking, also, but that's ok -- everyone's a dog anyway rite ?
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02:21 mp_en_viaje (except, of course, for cyprus, this republica moldova slash sicily of the greek world. there, still geminated. )
02:22 mp_en_viaje BingoBoingo, also highlights where the gold supposedly in new york actually is.
02:23 BingoBoingo mp_en_viaje: The outside outlets that ought to be hammering this story are all incredibly silent in English.
02:24 mp_en_viaje well for one thing, it's an ~indepedent~ "corruption investigation" aka beheading. the "only socialism that could be" gets nothing from it
02:24 mp_en_viaje so they don't understand "how the news relates to them"
02:26 BingoBoingo Well, I plan to use this as the go to link in the future when US Pantsuits get busted while poor. Like this guy http://qntra.net/2019/09/kkkalifornia-pantsuitist-ed-buck-arrested-after-victim-escapes-lair/
02:30 mp_en_viaje no but he had fun, see. that's the important part. "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal." yes ? pile up treasures in "heaven", which in the anglican/protestant/derpitarian/whatever tradition no longer means the popish plot, of course, but still means something experimentially-ridiculous.
02:30 mp_en_viaje so buck the tard built himself up treasures in heaven as indicated by his self-disavowing pedestrian restatement of catolicism as some poor scottish farmers could best manage to restate latin cancer.
02:31 mp_en_viaje he fucked a buncha crackwhores or w/e it is he did, he "had experiences". that's the important metaphisical, yes ? experiences ? having experienced ?
02:31 mp_en_viaje a treasure trove of prescriped goodness nobody inexplciably seems to envy him. so what is there to write about ?
02:33 mp_en_viaje if the world came to its senses, if i engaged tards on their own terms, if parents lived their lives such that they're comprehensible to children, if china correctly saw the incredible importance of ustarded delusions... then maybe they could write about it. but as it is ?!
02:34 mp_en_viaje actually, is my point here coming through or do i have to restate it ?
02:35 BingoBoingo I think it's coming through.
02:36 BingoBoingo Buck fellow was a good Calvinist, and surprisingly active for a pre-ordained
02:37 mp_en_viaje they ~all are, actually. their bizarro cvasi-religion, poorly formulated and even less considered, is for these sins nevertheless very deeply implanted.
02:41 mp_en_viaje what they do, "complex" and "inexplicable" as they might like to pretend it, nevertheless can be very well predicted on a decerebrated read of the medieval catholics. basically calvin was the original hollywood, writting really stupid yet simple stories for a certain kind of [http://trilema.com/2019/fracture/#footnote_1_
02:41 mp_en_viaje 86329][orphan].
02:43 mp_en_viaje and the annoying part is that i can't apparently find now where i discussed in detail the relationship between "noir" as the form of cinematic expression and the sadness of abandoned counterfit-urban male youth (not REALLY urban because too new, like in new york).
02:44 mp_en_viaje there's the two liner above linked ; there's another one line in a discussion of another film. but i clearly remember taking the time to discuss this over paragraphs, i just don't remember where the fuck
02:45 BingoBoingo I'm going to grab some sleep and see if it shakes out any recollection of where that may be hiding.
02:49 mp_en_viaje nighty
02:56 mp_en_viaje a no, actuaslly, it IS fracture. just cut up in two footnotes.
03:07 * mp_en_viaje had been reading what's apparently some 2016 drifter's rather extensive homespun copy. includes log with personally relevant tidbits of 2017 vintage and so on.
03:11 mp_en_viaje occasional gems in the celentano vein (played straight, too!), like "The past year has been a year of failures for me. I failed to persuade any of my old friends about any of my strongly held beliefs concerning morality, politics, and economics. Not only did I fail to persuade them, I failed to maintain them as friends." ; otherwise apparently likes cha
03:11 mp_en_viaje i an' uses it to learn greek because reading trilema's changed his life for the better.
03:11 mp_en_viaje anyone actually knew about this all along / from before ?
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05:24 mp_en_viaje http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931399 << this was meanwhile found : http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-04-03#1906696
05:24 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-27 11:43:20 mircea_popescu: i specificalty recall describing this situation in munchen whereby i took cab driver all over bars, trying to find some with decent seating, didn't find any, at end dude was like "well, there's no more left on the list, you have to sit here" and i was like "bitch, i dun have to anything"
05:24 snsabot Logged on 2019-04-03 15:41:03 mp_en_viaje: but anyway, what the fuck is wrong with picking the prestige coffee house of the town for your bitcoin meet ?
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07:17 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/the-problem-of-complexity/ << Trilema -- The problem of complexity.
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11:06 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1938845 << ty mp_en_viaje , found culprit: a built-in idjicy in the pythonism that asciilifeform used to implement doublequotes. i'ma have to rewrite that mechanism.
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11:06 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-29 02:03:59 mp_en_viaje: ; also hey asciilifeform : http://archive.is/ipDDz
11:07 asciilifeform ( observe that folx running the prev. version of 'reader' are unaffected
11:07 asciilifeform )
11:08 * asciilifeform observes that 9 times outta 10 this is what 'oh hey there's a library knob for this?' leads to...
11:13 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1938854 << and 'pre-classical' greeks had the digamma... and the classical folx already had a silent iota in various dipthongs, previously voiced per archaeologists. also 'lazy dog' ? ( where lived the non-lazy dog, in stone age ? )
11:13 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-29 02:21:18 mp_en_viaje: modern greek "no longer needs" the glottal stop h, nor does it use double-l's for anything, it's "progressed past that, see". sounds like lazy dogs talking, also, but that's ok -- everyone's a dog anyway rite ?
11:14 asciilifeform this is btw a long-standing q in asciilifeform's head -- wai is it that lang knobs only ever seem to ~fall off~ in archaeologically-visible period. almost as if they were only formed in 'supernovae' of some sort, and then afterwards only decay
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11:14 asciilifeform errybody seems to only ever ~lose~ sounds (and cases, and...) never ~gain~
11:17 * asciilifeform has been slowly eating greeks for a while, and the (sovok) texts take special care to rub this in, and asciilifeform finds interesting
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11:18 asciilifeform i can easily see where ideas like this may've come from
11:18 snsabot Logged on 2018-01-07 09:46:50 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766211 << the classical j00z have the 'past is moar important' jumpers set to max: iirc they have a 'the further we get from moses, the moar of god-given wisdom is lost', i.e. nonrenewable resource.
11:21 asciilifeform erry lang asciilifeform ever bothered to study, when dug found that it lost sounds over all recorded span (with the eventual, if delayed, loss of the glyphs that represented'em)
11:21 asciilifeform ru and jp in fact in quite recent (300-400y) period
11:23 asciilifeform ( in the former, most famous case, 'Война и мiръ' turned into 'Война и мир' by decree of lenin, but the 'i' had already stopped being phonetic 200+y prior )
11:26 asciilifeform and of course ye olde ѣ . lenin gets the credit/blame for the cuts, but 5 successive monarchs in fact proposed to cut the dead glyphs, each time ran into opposition from 'ohnoez, ornament of the language!111' academicians
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11:28 asciilifeform ( for folx who aint archaeologists -- 'ѣ' ended up turned into 100% 'е', but at one pt was a distinctly elongated æː )
11:29 asciilifeform ro cyrillic variant had it. ( bulgaria -- till end of ww2 )
11:33 asciilifeform not even clear to me that the 'decay' is necessarily disaster -- do indo-european folx miss the 15 declensions of finnish ? ( has e.g. 'into', 'out of', buncha other 'extras' cases )
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11:34 asciilifeform ro's vocative, if modern text is anyffin to go by, is 'falling off' just as ru's fell off
11:34 * asciilifeform bbl,meat
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11:50 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, what's the problem with having a consonant equivalent upsilon ?
11:51 mp_en_viaje latin kept it, as f.
11:59 mp_en_viaje http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1938894 << the way to gain such is the same way as gaining a lot of new children. if the russians stayed in berlin -- but for reals, not just one quickie rape passing throiugh, then modern eastern german'd conceivably have been as sluttily hybridized as phoenician-dri
11:59 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-29 11:17:57 asciilifeform: has been slowly eating greeks for a while, and the (sovok) texts take special care to rub this in, and asciilifeform finds interesting
11:59 mp_en_viaje ven mycenian greek
12:00 mp_en_viaje that'd be the supernova : 1. go in, 2. kill all the dudes 3. chain all the women nude to poles, let the kids crawl out of them come to terms with the megalanguage.
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12:01 mp_en_viaje of course, this can't happen if you have writing, that'll preserve the two as distinct rather than creatively merge them to save on memory space
12:03 mp_en_viaje http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1938903 << not all loss is disaster, of course not. but the same argument as contemplated in http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1938852 is seen in "o look at linux, lost init, now systemd".
12:03 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-29 11:33:48 asciilifeform: not even clear to me that the 'decay' is necessarily disaster -- do indo-european folx miss the 15 declensions of finnish ? ( has e.g. 'into', 'out of', buncha other 'extras' cases )
12:03 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-29 02:20:46 mp_en_viaje: speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-12-02#940849 ; possibly the best compressed illustration of "why ancient, what's wrong with modern" could be had reviewing the phonetis of hoi polloi. so : it was [hoi polloi] in the ancient world, with gemminated l and everyting else good right and proper. it's... well, it's [i poˈli] these days, because "do we still have to DO th
12:10 mp_en_viaje talking of the matter "in general", as of loss in principle, "he lost some shit off the sole of the boot" not at all the same as loss of the very boot. "but mp, where's the shit end and the boot begin ???" "shut it."
12:10 mp_en_viaje and damn, now i can't find the joke in the log anymore ;/ "don't worry, itll fall off once it dries"
12:21 asciilifeform i was gonna share a crackpot model of the item but mp_en_viaje already hinted that he has same 1
12:21 asciilifeform for thread-completeness tho :
12:22 asciilifeform consider what other natural object follows 'damn these only ever break apart, but for most of recorded hist we never saw'em get bigger' : nucleus
12:23 asciilifeform suppose typical shaved ape can only 'lift' so-much lang -- ~4 cases, ~20-30 phonemes, ~4 tenses, roughly. so, per model, 'heavies' form from inelastic collisions of 'stables'. 'lights' -- from elastic collisions.
12:23 asciilifeform observe that 'ultraheavies' e.g. the finns tend to only survive in geo-isolates
12:23 asciilifeform where there aint a chingis han to come an' take a hammer to'em
12:24 asciilifeform 'ultralights', the jungle men, ditto, they dun have enuff 'temperature' to 'fuse' into sumthing like what civilized folx speak
12:24 mp_en_viaje this argument works for anything but phonetics.
12:24 mp_en_viaje a "simpler" language is not in fact simpler.
12:25 asciilifeform 'simpler' is possib. wrong word. speaking here of macroscopic part count.
12:25 mp_en_viaje the reason every balkan country mocked the shit out of the greeks throughout late antiquity and middle ages was PRECISELY their dropping of the waw.
12:25 mp_en_viaje "these people sound like retarded preschoolers with a lisp"
12:25 asciilifeform that digamma , right
12:25 mp_en_viaje there's about six to twelve vowels and about eighteen to twenty-something consonants that are naturally available in the mouth
12:26 mp_en_viaje you can make slight movements, turning everything an eight one way or the other ; you can put more focus on labials or africates and less on velars of w/e.
12:26 * asciilifeform did work through the 'mendeleev table' of these in kindergarten, aha
12:26 mp_en_viaje but by and large, losing major lines is an unmitigated loss. english appears in no small part retarded because, phonetically, it utilizes poorly the available spoace
12:27 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: also from getting a foreign alphabet welded to it , kazah-style, and the users lacking the spark of life to fucking fix it
12:27 mp_en_viaje classical greek and to a large degree republican latin appear so dignified because the balance's good. modern italian similarly, have you heard a civilised older male speak italian ? it instantly connotes all the things anglos want and can
12:27 mp_en_viaje t get, "gentleman and scholar". even if he;'s a waiter
12:29 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: i cannot disagree. observed, tho, that even the utmost classical greeks were already spewing out loose neutrons, if you will, per model
12:29 mp_en_viaje insanely obscure folk sicilian, while deeply irrelevant culturally, is still rewarding enough one wants to figure out wtf is mp's quote maritari bs even about. meanwhile quite interesting culturally hungarian fails to interest anyone -- and this mostly because terrible notation connotes horrible phonetic balance (which isn't even the case)
12:29 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, greeks got democracy early, fucked them up good.
12:30 asciilifeform the orig 'zombie apocalypse' aha
12:30 asciilifeform the 1st one, that is, pre-demoocracies, where the minoans bit it
12:30 mp_en_viaje though the discussion as carries elides the important point : excellent speaking helenists existed throughout the history.
12:31 mp_en_viaje just as here : i will bring forth "elided" from the pits of "wtf, that's not even english!!!" because the phrase needs and demands it.
12:31 mp_en_viaje even in english, most ravines can be bridged.
12:31 asciilifeform ( to run w/ the model -- homeric era folx, 'well-balanced', get a load of red hot 'sea men' pirate spoodge right up arse, and new 'heavier' lang forms, then proceeds to 'lazy dogs' leprosy-shed pieces, then... rinse, repeat )
12:32 mp_en_viaje this is amusing because the most fucked of the greeks (in cyprus) got allegedly the better greek.
12:32 mp_en_viaje sardinian's defo more interesting than contemporary french ; and so following.
12:33 asciilifeform in asciilifeform's model, looking only at 'stable' rather than 'better' (in whatever measure, e.g. the 1 where english is fucking ~impossible to write quality lit , not even speaking of poem, or unambiguous argument, etc. in )
12:33 mp_en_viaje http://www.angelfire.com/rings/homeless/chapters/74_80_Beginning.html << meanwhile in so-bad-it-samusing jewfictions.
12:33 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, but stable in whose mouth /
12:34 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: in mouth of 'scholar' just about anyffin can be 'stable', as in your quality italians. even oddball conlangs. recall the tears of the folx who made up 1945 hebrew when their spawn started speaking it tho.
12:34 mp_en_viaje this neatly doubles the "great progress of ourdemocracy -- life expectancy". if you inflation-fudge the data to include babies, you get the numbers you want ; but if you don't you end up with much better everything, by letting most kids die rather than carrying them on the books pointelliottly.
12:34 asciilifeform in mouth of redditus, possibly aint even such a thing as 'stable nucleus'
12:35 asciilifeform arguably medieval latin was a deliberate attempt at 'stable for scholars'
12:35 asciilifeform still -- drifted.
12:36 mp_en_viaje do you believe "life expectancy" is better for you now than was for seneca ?
12:36 asciilifeform fuckno (and noshit) , mp_en_viaje described this imho 100% correctly in linked piece
12:36 mp_en_viaje so then -- not drifted.
12:37 mp_en_viaje if that didn't drift, why do you think this did. needs some heavy argyments.
12:37 asciilifeform the meat drifts pretty slowly.
12:37 mp_en_viaje did bitcoin drift because a buncha idiots do whatever the hell ?
12:37 mp_en_viaje who are you going to sample ?
12:38 mp_en_viaje i'm not even proposing a closed form solution here ; but it seems to me that elementarily even english works ok in my hands, and in general the discussion will be more a matter of how you do your sampling than of anything else.
12:38 asciilifeform as asciilifeform sees it, almost definitionally 'civilization' as in written , organized culture, is attempt to stall the drift.
12:39 asciilifeform is why even in simple man-made tooling gotta have 'written standards'. otherwise result is pythonism etc.
12:40 asciilifeform the natural process being stalled, is what was speaking of.
12:40 mp_en_viaje the natural process of reversion to the mean ?!
12:40 asciilifeform of reversion to 'what fits in turnip head' mean aha.
12:40 mp_en_viaje this then is uncontroversial : wind blows. on a long enough timespan, all man made things revert.
12:41 mp_en_viaje your capitol shall be pasture again, look on his wonders and despair, etc.
12:41 asciilifeform the imho interesting aspect was trying to pry open is, from where comes the larger items from which then decay.
12:41 asciilifeform i suspect mp_en_viaje's formulation is equivalent to mine.
12:41 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-29 12:00:43 mp_en_viaje: that'd be the supernova : 1. go in, 2. kill all the dudes 3. chain all the women nude to poles, let the kids crawl out of them come to terms with the megalanguage.
12:42 mp_en_viaje from the pike.
12:42 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-17 15:22:21 mircea_popescu: and pike changed society from matriarchy to patriarchy, because provided effectual control to female wail behaviour : poking with sharpened stick.
12:42 asciilifeform the pike, the axe, the sword
12:42 mp_en_viaje Nici Afrodita, cea in solduri lata, nici Joe cu alaiul lui ceresc nu s-au ivit din bolta instelata, ci dintr-o amfora cu vin grecesc ; voi, moralisti ilustri, ginditu-v-ati vreunul ca opere eterne, antume si postume, n-ar fi luat fiinta de n-ar fi fost pe lume femeia, treponema, alcoolul si tutunul ?
12:43 asciilifeform 'axe-time, sword-time, shields a'sundered, wind-time, wolf-time...'(tm)(r)(elder eda)
12:45 * asciilifeform bbl:moarmeat
12:52 mp_en_viaje !q later tell thimbronion you know your blog is still broken, click for instance on any comment or title link from http://thimbron.com/2016/08/
12:52 snsabot mp_en_viaje: my valid commands are: src, uptime, seen-anywhere, help, s, version, seen
12:52 mp_en_viaje !Qlater tell thimbronion you know your blog is still broken, click for instance on any comment or title link from http://thimbron.com/2016/08/
12:52 lobbesbot mp_en_viaje: The operation succeeded.
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16:30 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/09/usg-week-in-review-trump-ukraine-biden-phone-impeachment-trap/ << Qntra -- USG Week In Review: Trump, Ukraine, Biden, Phone, Impeachment, Trap
16:41 mp_en_viaje epic.
16:48 BingoBoingo tyvm
16:48 BingoBoingo Had to get the taste of yesterday's news out of my head
16:51 mp_en_viaje they're doing lulzy desperations on the tv too, "historic week interviews with pelosi's daughter" and assorted festivist nonsense.
16:52 mp_en_viaje i hope everyone got all the democrat voting they wanted to do out of their system already, because with the bidden clan gone there's literally nothing left. that was their last functional moneyraising center.
16:53 mp_en_viaje turn't off da robinette
16:54 BingoBoingo All they have left are the HR departments
16:55 mp_en_viaje those contribute to costs.
16:55 BingoBoingo And the assorted non-profit awareness drummers about to rot on the vine when the spigot stops
16:55 mp_en_viaje aha.
16:56 BingoBoingo I suspect the HR departments last a bit longer than the drummers for reasons of Indian caste and tribal loyalties.
16:57 BingoBoingo And for the absence of a professional managerial class in the US
16:59 BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/2015/who-made-this/ << iirc someone was looking for this Trilema recently
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17:44 billymg mp_en_viaje: "I want to add here a link to that "they live meaningless lives" cartoon thing, which is already in the footnote of a relevant Trilema piece, which of course I can't find." << http://trilema.com/2014/that-aint-the-maslow-pyramid-yo/ and http://trilema.com/2014/fred-quimby-and-ancient-evils/#identifier_5_53722
17:45 billymg came across the first link recently so it was still fresh in the browser history
17:47 BingoBoingo billymg: Nice find!
17:52 mp_en_viaje billymg, ty!
17:56 billymg it's a good comic, i sent it to my pet recently when she protested that my expectations were too high
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18:43 mp_en_viaje o hai diana_coman !
18:43 mp_en_viaje meanwhike in pre-reich german : https://www.ifz-muenchen.de/heftarchiv/1980_3_4_reynolds.pdf
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18:44 mp_en_viaje (approx -- these whores & cunts are bad news, only men can be loving & trustworthy!)
18:45 mp_en_viaje i think he even says prostate.
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19:09 BingoBoingo Meanwhile in local news: https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/La-Policia-incauto-un-subfusil-calibre-45-en-el-Cerrito-de-la-Victoria-uc731214
19:10 diana_coman !!up thimbronion
19:10 deedbot thimbronion voiced for 30 minutes.
19:10 BingoBoingo "se trataría de un subfusil, posiblemente Cal. 45, sin numeración ni marca, solo se distingue una impresión en el mismo con las letras CCT y contenía 5 municiones"
19:10 diana_coman thimbronion: go ahead
19:10 asciilifeform billymg: lol! loox like cross breed b/w 'tec9' and schmeisser ??
19:10 asciilifeform dafuq is that
19:11 asciilifeform err, BingoBoingo
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19:11 thimbronion mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1938983 << fixed
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19:11 ossabot Logged on 2019-09-29 13:08:24 mp_en_viaje: !Qlater tell thimbronion you know your blog is still broken, click for instance on any comment or title link from http://thimbron.com/2016/08/
19:12 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I suspect home-ish made, maybe off plans from te late Paladin Press
19:12 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: observe , no muzzle break, either , dollars to doughnuts 'plumbing shop' build
19:13 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: just about 100% a basement-built , fire-from-open-bolt design ( these are Officially proscribed in usa even when half-auto , so unlikely to be industrially-baked )
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19:14 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: lacking the gas brake, most of salvo is likely to end up in ceiling. hasty, shoddy work.
19:15 BingoBoingo Well, this isn't the US. Could be a Brasilero or Paraguayo product of Jungle Industry. Or could be Industria Defensa de Argentina
19:15 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: rright but for some reason most of the brasil people build vaguely to usa spec, historically
19:16 asciilifeform kinda like that samsung air conditioner, built with flammable coolant to europistani spec despite moar than half being sold in usa
19:16 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Brasil has a big regular industry that builds to specs competitive on the international market.
19:17 BingoBoingo Another possibility is its an "Operation Condor" artifact of US origin
19:17 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the colt acp also afaik uncommon outside of north amer
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19:17 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: this last 1 sounds likely
19:17 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: .45 ACP is used here as a sporting round.
19:17 asciilifeform interesting
19:18 asciilifeform iirc large qty was surplussed by usg in bush II yrs (gestapo moved to some oddball newfangled caliber, iirc .40)
19:18 BingoBoingo It is used here because it's the international standard high caliber competition pistol caliber round
19:19 asciilifeform .45 is imho pretty good , of the historic calibers. usually subsonic right outta the box, even (i.e. silenceable)
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19:19 BingoBoingo Sure the Olympics use .22 rimfire or after London "simulated gun" toys, but .45 ACP is a standard
19:19 BingoBoingo Also leaves decent holes
19:19 asciilifeform entirely decent holes afaik
19:20 * asciilifeform never grasped why nato picked up luger as Official standard rather than colt's
19:20 BingoBoingo I suspect because more bullets fit into the supply truck
19:21 asciilifeform ~10% moar
19:22 BingoBoingo The NATO caliber standarding also happened during that time where the soft-serve consensus was the next fight will be nuclear so its possible there wasn't much concern over small arm supremacy
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19:23 asciilifeform the slow, blunt 45 is moar of a police interest item than for any kinda war. there's an infamous case where 2 drunken red army sargeants had 'duel at dawn at 50 paces' w/ lendlease 'thompsons' . both scored, neither penetrated the wool greatcoat.
19:25 asciilifeform ( maybe in the warm continents, where even grunts issued armours tend to throw'em out , a la vietnam -- moar relevant ? nfi )
19:25 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: .45 ACP came about because .38 just wasn't doing the job against Pinoys
19:25 asciilifeform famously aha
19:26 * asciilifeform recalls a great mircea_popescu thrd about a 7kg rhinoceros-calibre pistol, but sadly cannot immediately find
19:28 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-04#702611
19:28 asciilifeform that 1 !
19:29 BingoBoingo Leads to http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-04#702645
19:29 * asciilifeform saw 1 fired at a local shooting gallery, pretty great fireball. designer oughta have given it a screw-on barrel extender imho, nobody cancelled physical law
19:30 asciilifeform similar problem with 1990 ru police favourite, the 'short kalash'
19:30 asciilifeform lotsa wasted joules in that fireball. the powder wants a barrel to do its thing in.
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19:31 BingoBoingo There's a shop here that produces a single shot .50 BMG bolt action for the local armed forces, because Ministry of Defense doesn't want to pay the tarrifs
19:32 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 'barrett' . (btw moar hits for ~this~ barrett than for the other barrett in ~all searchtrons, lol)
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19:32 asciilifeform pretty common among moneyed folx in usa.
19:32 asciilifeform if sudden infestation of elephants (or ww1 tanks) -- folx well-equipped!111
19:33 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well barret prices are why the local ministry of defense buys arms for that caliber made in Uruguay
19:33 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 4-5 k $ in gringolandia typically.
19:34 asciilifeform approx same as for decent pc.
19:34 asciilifeform shells are ~5 $ ea. usually.
19:36 asciilifeform made temporarily famous by that black policeman fella who 'postal' coupla yrs ago.
19:36 BingoBoingo Consider the local Army's primary defense purpose is armed bridge standoff against Argetine forces during Peronist times, and... seems to explain why it
19:36 asciilifeform ( recall, he had 1 of those mysteriously-incombustible passports that lay , Officially, on his corpse when they napalmed the house he was in )
19:36 BingoBoingo AHA
19:40 BingoBoingo Note that Brasil is treaty obligated to do the quashing of actual Argentine invasions of Uruguay.
19:41 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: for what argentards to invade uy ? to steal the pot-flavoured empanadas ??
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19:43 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Historically the did do for ego reasons like Bush in Iraq II
19:43 BingoBoingo "Regime change" etc
19:44 BingoBoingo Back when Uruguay had under 100,000 non-feathered bipeds and still managed respectable civil wars
19:45 BingoBoingo http://bingology.net/2019/09/26/weighing-real-estate-in-montevideo-from-an-acquisitive-perspective/ << "Also transit times between Cerrito de la Victoria and Ciudad Vieja were probably shorter during the 19th century when the government of Uruguay under General Oribe in Cerrito de la Victoria held the other government of Uruguay lead by General Riveria in the old city under seige for 8 years."
19:46 BingoBoingo Competing Argentine and Brasilero intervention resolved that domestic dispute. Then everyone got together and nearly genocided Paraguay as a bonding exercise.
~ 42 minutes ~
20:29 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: in re ye olde 'paladin' co , found a kind of bio of the late owner , apparently very frustrated vietnam war d00d .
20:29 snsabot Logged on 2017-10-04 12:55:14 BingoBoingo: In other sads, Paladin Press closing at end of year https://www.paladin-press.com/
20:29 * asciilifeform has fond memories of 'paladin' from olden warez days, had a coupla very entertaining, if not 100% practical, pieces
20:33 asciilifeform ( and, lulzily, what was 1nce '31337 w4r3z' is nao hosted by the beast itself on national archive www...
20:34 asciilifeform 452 scans , no less.
20:36 asciilifeform and indeed BingoBoingo , there lies yer uruguayan '45 ...
20:36 asciilifeform ( warning : oddball format )
20:39 BingoBoingo AHA, tyvm
20:40 asciilifeform many of'em had a distintly la delle flavour. but for archaeologist not entirely uninteresting .
20:40 asciilifeform *distinctly
~ 28 minutes ~
21:09 * asciilifeform always wondered whether this and similar publishers, printed such marvels as 'course of cryptography' where caesar's cipher was presented as state of art, or the various 'wonderful explosives in kitchen' schemes ~guaranteed to homogenize the experimenter , at usg behest, or via the ample ameri-supply of naturally occurring idjicy
21:11 asciilifeform most likely, imho, 'a little of 1, a little of other'.
21:19 asciilifeform collection says moar about ameritard audience than about any given subj. there were half a dozen tomes on e.g. summoning devils, cultivation of opium, etc. for erry 1 that contained ~reality-applicable trivia
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