#trilema | 2019-08-26

( no moar boards sitting in open air )

10:05

hunting presently for rails, ps, an' the remaining boxen

10:06

the new plants will have proper ventilation, no moar flea market box fan.

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10:47

asciilifeform, just about, yes. for many years i swore by debian,

10:50

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-25#1931127 << at some point the cocksuckers (true to form, see eg nonsense arguments as to "why did symbolics thinking men need mit") actually went to trouble to BUY the damn things. then brief period where "bought", with leafmoney, like esr's experience. and by now, they literally just expect to take over "by committee".

10:50

Logged on 2019-08-25 21:45:44 trinque: it's the original dood after he gave gentoo over to the committee

10:50

100% soviet, fuck that dumb shit.

10:50

nfi why the weakass jwzs keep bending over for it, too.

10:51

0 conception in the manalone dumbmind of who the enemy is or why.

10:56

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-25#1931140 << might be the best promo for a piece being weritten i've yet seen. defo would reat that then!

10:56

Logged on 2019-08-25 23:26:22 trinque: meanwhile I'm over here writing this denuding, batshit piece. I think what's funny to me about lobbes is he may be the exact counterpoint to my narcissism

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mircea_popescu now needs some sleep. but will bbl!

10:57

(hi all from ye olde temeswar. i will be here for a few days, then thurs-ish sibiu and then brasov for the weekend.)

11:02

goodnight mircea_popescu

11:05

trinque: i also look forward to reading .

11:06

if only code were more denuding and batshit - everyone would want to read it!

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^

~ 1 hours 48 minutes ~

12:54

asciilifeform: ty for the good news

12:58

seems like an overkill for a logger but from all I can find about them I really like those guys www.cyberbunker.com/web/swat.php

12:58

diana_coman: iirc that one was actually discussed in early logs

12:59

lemme find in phf's , 1s

12:59

http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-20#885337 .

12:59

I did a log-search and couldn't find it; ah, I searched in new ones

13:00

iirc later on came out that the keeper still claims to own the bunker, but machines nao sit in some cheapo ordinary dc.

13:01

they claim on the site that they have "other bunkers" ; now if those are not as much bunkers as ordinary dc...

13:01

fella also had connectivity problems on acct of a fatwa from 'spamhaus' and similar busybodies

13:01

that yes.

13:02

anyways, otherwise so far it would seem my logger will end up ...in Moldova

13:03

wai not moldova

13:03

I just didn't expect it/plan it,lol; but precisely: why not; at least so far they have been very responsive, let's see how it works out.

13:04

diana_coman: re older logs -- we'll sync these when mircea_popescu comes home to where he had the archive he had fed to phf in '16 . (or perhaps earlier, if phf comes back from grave..)

13:10

re marketing gimmick of 'bunker' -- it is actually commonplace to locate dc under ground.

13:11

( naturally, the chiller plant, as well as quite obviously the outgoing pipe, gotta come out... )

13:13

re unusual dc structures -- year or 2 ago, microshit apparently stole, from the l0gz, the notion of submerging dc in ocean. ( at least for purpose of pr, nfi whether in fact sold any rack slots in these. but there was a photoreportage w/ much fanfare . )

13:13

lolz

13:15

1 of their brag pieces, for thrd-completeness.

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asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log-raw/tmsr-logs-apr2012-oct2013.txt is the file that mp gave me

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where stole .

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ohai phf. ty.

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phf: where's 2014-15 ?

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oh, hmm

13:16

those are not mp though, that's kako, http://btcbase.org/log-raw/

13:18

phf: oh hm loox like you actually have 2013 -- present in there ? oddly enuff when i thought you were dead and wget -m ... 'd the site, only saw 2016--present in /raw

13:19

it showed 2016-04.txt as the earliest.

13:19

yeah, i only added them recently

13:20

aa

13:21

phf: i'ma swallow yours and invite anyone who thinks he has gap fillers to compare , then.

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asciilifeform will have to implement 'era 1' handling of log links 1st; hasn't done yet

13:23

the 2012-13 archive loox like it'll need reprocessing, also, seems to be in a very raw (xchat?) format .

13:25

the approach is from the "illuminated manuscripts" era of tmsr, so i kept all the files as is, but i think i can produce a kako style dump reasonably fast

13:25

phf: much appreciated. and happy to see that you've your strength back .

13:27

it's taking a long time, but yes

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phf: i dun think you ever said, what was it that got you ? stray bullet ?

13:27

that would've been a lot more glamorous

13:28

stepped on nail ?

13:28

nah, a crack in my butt

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does happen.

13:29

mp kept making the same jokes about "fallen off ass", i thought it would've been obvious by now

13:30

hey asciilifeform one time sat down into 1 of those chinese comp. chairs where there's no iron plate against the piston. but miraculously bounced off.

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asciilifeform looked, and there was 'stake'.

13:32

funnily enuff, it was what passed for 'premium' chair. served for just short of decade. then -- pop.

13:32

this was actually quite similar, i went off trail in swiss alps, because the path was damaged and i didn't want to backtrack, it was maybe 200m to a parallel route, but the way was pretty much vertical

13:33

well, i slipped at some point and landed badly into a kind of brush covered fallen tree stump

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hurt like a motherfucker, so i had no idea for a while if i broke my tailbone, tore something, or what

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but the crack got infected, just because it's that kind of area, and by the time i got it dealt with i was in a pre-sepsis state. it took less than a week from a fall to 39.9 120 bpm infection

13:42

hey this is still moar sportsmanlike than asciilifeform's chair.

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asciilifeform never been to alps.

13:43

phf: where are you these days ? in ru still ?

13:47

asciilifeform: yeap, i see no reason to leave really

13:49

you ought to consider moving here, or at least coming for a visit. the place is a lot livelier than dc, food is better, girls are prettier, things are generally cheaper, etc. etc. etc.

13:57

if asciilifeform ever figures out how to get a 6+digit usd there, will move in right next to phf .

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asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log-raw/tmsr-logs-apr2012-oct2013.fmt.txt

13:59

oh neato, ty phf.

13:59

interesting, negative indices .

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asciilifeform will have to adjust 'eater' proggy, but db i think is already able to eat.

14:04

seemed like the easiest way to work around the fact that kako logs start with 0

14:05

it's harmless, unless someone is using a very tight regexp for log urls (as in 'eater' currently)

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asciilifeform will look in bot, possibly there also

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14:51

!q uptime

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asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 10d 4h 27m

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feedbot

http://qntra.net/2019/08/pantsuit-social-engineers-begin-calling-for-invasion-of-brazil-over-seasonal-wildfires/ << Qntra -- Pantsuit Social Engineers Begin Calling For Invasion Of Brazil Over Seasonal Wildfires

15:07

'But the case for territorial incursion in the Amazon is far stronger than the justifications for most war. In the meantime, the planet chokes on old notions of sovereignty.' << lol! couldn't make this up.

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asciilifeform pictures generals nostalgic for 'nam' around table. 'let's rerun! somebody bring a globe, let's pick a jungle'

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15:38

asciilifeform: Well, one of my suspicions is that much of the EU wants to minimize the amount of time Brazil spends in periods of less retared government.

15:42

There's probably some Teuton and Nordic anxiety over the prospect that sophisticated products of Brasil displace their sophisticated products.

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BingoBoingo: nordic products ?! what, exactly , other than petro from naggumistan ?

15:44

'90s ended, nokia was eaten by microshit. what's left.

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asciilifeform: I suspect boats and boat related systems. Bofors and similar.

15:46

brasil doesn't compete in the nato golden cannon market tho

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Embraer does brisk business

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( br ~does~ sell cheap zamac 'colt' with which for poor usaschwitz inmates to shoot selves with... )

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Taurus's LATAM catalog is more utility oriented than their US "sell all comes exactly what they imagine they want" catalog

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-26#1931158 << in a way it is, hence all the calls recently for it.

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Logged on 2019-08-26 11:06:28 diana_coman: if only code were more denuding and batshit - everyone would want to read it!

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Brasil also has shipyards, an aerospace industry that stamps out helicopters, drones, and satellites... they have the sorts of industry Argentina should and could have had if Argentines weren't so incredibly determined to all dole about the port.

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BingoBoingo: right. my puzzlement was in re what's left in 'nordic'

15:57

Africa dole?

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-26#1931224 << it should br real fun to see the retarded fuckwits in actual jungle.

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Logged on 2019-08-26 15:07:52 asciilifeform: 'But the case for territorial incursion in the Amazon is far stronger than the justifications for most war. In the meantime, the planet chokes on old notions of sovereignty.' << lol! couldn't make this up.

15:58

as the expression goes, "you'd be eaten by baby turtles in half hour"

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lol

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mircea_popescu would not go without dozen+ men, and none of the "men's club barber shop" cock ornaments qualify

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buncha tchotchkes

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the youngest folx in usa who remember how to jungle are in their 70s

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if you're doing 1km/day you

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re doing okay.

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and if you're gone for more than a few weeks... godo for you, you get to do it all over again!

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lol, yeah. This terrain is still mostly "lets detour outside our borders to transit the Paraguay river" sorta stuff no much more accessible than it was in the 1860s

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speaking of this, remember back when "bric countries" was a thing, and ustards seriously believed they're something special ?

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Well, now any given BRIC is bigger than the US and they don't talk about them at all.

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ikr ?

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promises to be even moar 'sporty' than 'nam -- brazil is home to some of the lulziest 'living boobytraps', e.g. lonomia

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That momentarily Brazil isn't actively growling at the US is largely due to the personal affinity that exists between Trump and Bolsonaro for however long it lasts.

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aha

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because of strategic ineptitude, brazil could actually take over the atlantic fleed from the us within a few years.

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for some retarded reason usg decided to concentrate its shipmaking on pacific side

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whereas brazil is one of the top three producers of gross tonnage, in the military-strategic sense, after china and india and ahead of russkis.

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will be funny to watch an "invasion" by air keks.

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"drones will do it" "how ?" "3d printing!"

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but yes, brasil is exactly what argentina could/should have been, if they weren't utterly braindamaged lazyfucks,

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Items labeled at the same thing in the local stores from Brasil and Argentina could not be further apart in the quality and their ability to be what the label calls them.

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Except when it comes to agricultural products. That is every bit the chemical warfare seen in the US adapted to tropical demands.

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BingoBoingo: as i understand, br has somewhat of an 'excess biomass' problem. possibly could even benefit from a 'great patriotic war'.

16:10

Ecuador bananas far superior to Brasil bananas.

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asciilifeform: It could probably benefit. The defense of Fortaleza has the potential to be a sort of Brazilian Stalingrad.

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BingoBoingo: i have difficulty picturing a 'vietnam rerun' , tho the current crop of muppets is certainly dumb enuff. moar likely the linked item is intended as activation ping for whatever 'miami' 5th column can be mustered in br.

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Then again if Pedro II was fertile enough to have sufficient children to select 1 not completely retarded heir, Brasil could have been bigger than the US ever was. 1000 year reich and so on.

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as a factual matter, every warship wreck found adrift in space after the "empire" spawning it was long fucked out of the bloodline is still calling for imaginary rreinforcements at specific positions misexpressed in irrelevant systems of coordinates.

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asciilifeform: As far as I can tell the Miami 5th column is ~the same as Argentina's, but beat more frequently

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mircea_popescu: Not all together improbably the Iriquous forgot the French were their reinforcements by the time they came.

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re pedro , variety for a reason!

16:31

Anyways, the reasons the EU-Mercosur thing as groundbreaking as it would be hasn't made Qntra to now are the myriad of factors lined up against it. Namely the "traditional Argentine cheeses" could be sold in Europe under their protected in Europe names trap, etc.

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argentine cheeses?!

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asciilifeform: AHA. The EU-Mercosur deal means the European "protected designations of origin" would not apply to Mercosur products sold in the US. So the Argentines, could market "Parmasean Reggiano Industria Argentina" as "Parmasean"

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Per the deal Mercosur recognizes 357 of the 3400 "European Geographical Indications", EU recognizes some Mercosur ones, and because of european heritage in the Americas all sorts of EU geographical indications won't be used against products of Mercosur origin if there's a tradition involved.

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Of course Mercosur could dissolve in 2020 because Argentina.

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17:10

erryone's out to piss on inca's head huh

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!!withdraw 0.5 12tGxcb82jAgCCpCga4yoGtAvZkgst3jrk

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deedbot

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17:49

lobbes, incidentally, your blog takes an ungodly amt of time to take a comment. must be some kinda bug somewheres.

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18:43

takes me an ungodly amt of time to login to the wp-admin as well. Will need to investigate

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-26#1931251 << oya. Back when I was in "srsbizniss school" in 2006-2010 I remember it being a question on an exam.

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Logged on 2019-08-26 16:00:56 mircea_popescu: speaking of this, remember back when "bric countries" was a thing, and ustards seriously believed they're something special ?

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they still believe they are something special tho. oh well

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yes but not seriously.

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lol that is a point

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19:03

So much noise in the local presses on both sides of the river over "Why doesn't Turkey get a crisis too! So unfair!"

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keks.

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turkey actually kicks ass, they built a new uberairport that everyone is all lovey over, and their road infrastructure defo > yurp.

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mircea_popescu will be going later, but advanced reports look pretty wow.

19:17

anyway, re the amazon thing : that's precisely how the twenny dollar bill guy (jackson) got florida from spain : "oh, you're not maintaining it properly"

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in other lulz : there's a quite active market in ~old~ benjie bills. all 1k notes go for 1-2k in normal, pocket money like grades (banknotes are graded, things with >3 folds and maybe a missing corner or such (but no tears) are VF (very fine) to EF (extremely), CU have all the corners, no folds. the grading goes up to gem, which are particularly/exceptionally good strikes, vivid and well centered.)

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the 1928 gold seal issuance easily fetches 5k and even upwards of 10k CU and above grades, per bill. (pretty much everything from 1928 is good money, as a general rule)

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the 1934B and C series (green seal) go for 3-4k each, and 5k+ in CU ; the 1928 gold 50s go for 1-200 and 250+ ; the 1928 C (green seal) 20 is goot for 1-200 / 1k+ ; the 1934 yelow seal 10 dollar bill can be 1-2k / 10k+ each (as it's very rare)

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the 1928C and D series 5-dolalr bills again 1-200 up to 1500-2k+ (and the 1929 brown seal can be good too, esp the finer grades 1k++) ; the 1928 E series one-dollars can be 2-300 / 1k to 15k for very fine bills.

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mircea_popescu: numismatics is (was??) astonishingly popular in usa. ( for some reason, the most prized rarities are -- last i knew -- mis-struct ~pennies~ of early 20th c.. )

19:30

iirc it was fdr who abolished the 4digit moneys; at which pt they became museum pieces

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*mis-struck

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as these are collectors' items, they obviously do not count as money for, eg, [][crossing borders].

19:31

wth is the story of that guy who kept moving $9999 from mexico eventually they stopped him ?

19:31

iirc they still theoretically count as money. (who and why would try to spend it for the printed value, is separate q)

19:32

i dunno that they count as "circulating money".

19:32

iirc B, C, and D series benjis are demonetized in Para-rotary-guay

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BingoBoingo, was that a qntra piece ?

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most recent usa bill to be cancelled, iirc , was the 2 $ . some illiterate shop clerks will in fact refuse it, tho it still, last i knew, is accepted by banks .

19:34

I'll check real quick

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asciilifeform: 2 dollar bill still in print. They just print it in qualtities and frequences simular to local 10 peso coins

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BingoBoingo: i saw it exactly 1nce .

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asciilifeform: Seen many times. Frequently chosen for gifting children.

19:42

There's this Canadian backpack case in North Inca lore http://qntra.net/2015/06/3-years-prison-for-backpack-full-of-cash-in-winnipeg/

19:43

nah, was mexico

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some numismatists still proclaim that e.g. 1000 $ was never demonetized, only outta print. the usg's mint www is silent on the subj tho.

19:49

'Last printed in 1945, the government stopped distribution of this denomination by 1969' etc

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i'd be surprised if any bank were found to eat it, most dun have an archaeologist on staff to distinguish genuine from modern fake

19:51

should prolly be pretty lulzy hole to exploit, make old moneys.

19:51

somehow azn tards never think of THAT.

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mircea_popescu: sovok ruble was being faked even after formal cancellation !

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(and iirc ditto the 1917 ruble !)

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( why ? cuz was still accepted, albeit by bagfull, by street orc merchants in some of the sadder -- e.g. kazah -- ex-colonies )

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( also helped that : the orig plates were appropriated by quick-thinking orcentrepreneurs )

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<mircea_popescu> somehow azn tards never think of THAT. << They do, but they do... the COINS! "Morgan Dollar", etc

19:54

cheap foot labour makes counterfeit of small (or even recently abolished) paper moneys into a ~workable thing.

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BingoBoingo: iirc coins are moar in favour nao among fakers than at any point since prior to newton. ( coin has neither serial # , nor any elaborate boobytraps that modern tech can't make short work of )

19:57

i was talking more re the whole best korea "false benjie'

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asciilifeform: Well, it doesn't hurt that silver primarily a waste byproduct that emerges from copper and lead prodction

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but yes, most coins are simply worth less than it'd cost to make

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mircea_popescu: there was a persistent rumour in the '90s that kr got hold of an original press . nfi whether substance to this.

19:59

very difficult to picture anyone bothering to fake a ~modern~ coin.

20:08

from asciilifeform's crackpottery notebooks : pre-hiroshima pb would make a notbad coin metal. at least from authenticability pov.

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Logged on 2017-01-27 17:54:54 asciilifeform: al schwartz wrote about the roofs, iirc it was. semiconductor firms replaced cathedral roofs all over europe, for 0 cost. just to get the valuable pre-hiroshima metal.

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asciilifeform wonders whether the troo 1000 $ notes are similarly isotope-distinguishable .

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21:27

in my trilema-lotto today; the (potential) $2 million couch loan. I worked with someone years ago who "lended" for the BTCjam thing... tried dissuade him and instead get him registered with a gpg key an' into the WOT but he just was too thick. Wonder if he's in a cardboard box these days

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23:01

meanwhile : phf's vintage log imports on testbed. however : certain uniturds decode strangely ( e.g. ru-style double-quote turns into accented A ) ; and link-dekakoizer will need db lookup to determine snsabot-correct date for given index # (else the links do not go where expected) .

23:01

so this will take some days.

23:02

uniturd decoder, note, is the one in lobbes's latest patch.

23:03

atm i also suspect that a certain % of links imported from 'era 2' (phf's april 2016 -- aug. 2019) also do not go where expected, on acct of clock difference b/w the boxen.

23:03

ergo needs 'era 2' corrector similarly.

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( in fact date in link should not matter at all, oughta resolve by index # )

23:04

it is interesting that no one has noticed this effect of yet.

23:07

easiest pill is prolly to '301' e.g. a ...../log/chan/idx/31337 into correct /log/chan/date#31337 , and transform the payloads of all displayed links into the former. BUT this would break with historical convention. so i'ma ask mircea_popescu how he wants this sewn.

23:07

the obv. alternative is to actually do a db lookup when printing links, to get the appropriate local date. BUT this means a db lookup per link displayed, i.e. slowdown.

23:08

( the option 'hey just sync clock' dun do anyffin useful. for one thing, kako's clock was yet different. for another, both kako's and phf's drifted , just like mine... )

23:09

summary : historic dates in links are detectably bogus .

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asciilifeform would like to hear how phf dealt with this .

23:11

relatedly, imho a future piz cargo oughta include a rubidium clock box.

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