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00:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha.
00:50 mircea_popescu guy seemed like "honest, quiet man", then seemed like obvious expert scammer. because that's the problem with sticking to the "honest quiet man" schtick -- only scammers are actually that.
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00:51 mircea_popescu with everyone else, it goes away over time.
00:52 mircea_popescu ye olde italian "chi non mangia in compagnia o è un ladro, o è una spia" proverb specifically says that the one reason for systematically quiet is affraid-of-own-web-of-lies.
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02:23 deedbot http://bimbo.club/?p=79 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 11/02/2018
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08:28 asciilifeform ohai Mocky , mircea_popescu
08:32 asciilifeform meanwhile, in spam trap, http://bitcoinrabbithole.org/writings << links to heathens ~and~ mircea_popescu , which is atypical
08:32 diana_coman BingoBoingo, let me know how you prefer to settle
08:33 asciilifeform ohai diana_coman
08:34 * diana_coman waves
08:35 Mocky good morning asciilifeform
08:36 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872728 << the only part of the scheme that dun immediately make sense is how he drummed up exchange rate for his lolcoin; i'ma guess it was with the standard 'wash trade' sleight of hand
08:36 a111 Logged on 2018-11-16 05:50 mircea_popescu: guy seemed like "honest, quiet man", then seemed like obvious expert scammer. because that's the problem with sticking to the "honest quiet man" schtick -- only scammers are actually that.
08:37 asciilifeform thing also seems to dominate the mining-with-virii niche currently, which is how it came to asciilifeform's attention
08:37 asciilifeform ( presently ~0 winblowz trojans are mining anyffing else )
08:41 asciilifeform Mocky: how is gringostan treating you ? miss the desert yet ?
08:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: other thing -- i have a vague sympathy for the 'asic-resist' perpetuum-mobile folx; i dun particularly see what's so great about chinese monopoly on mining in classical btc. but it is tempered by the fact that they're some admixture of outright scamola and dumb-as-rocks -- consider, we described a perfectly-usable 'disk-hard' pow algo, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-01#1620665 , and they're still derping with 'ram-har
08:47 a111 Logged on 2017-03-01 19:34 asciilifeform: there is no way to practically compute this value without having a copy of the blockchain. and it also ends up being luby-transformable into any one of the 3 old tx if you have the other 2. a kind of perpetual redundancy in the storage .
08:47 asciilifeform d' etc
08:48 Mocky the cold season is a more difficult transition than normal. In a way I sort of do miss the heat.
08:52 Mocky being in qatar where so many things were different.. I never really missed home, but once I got back everything felt so familiar all of a sudden. I don't really know how to explain it.
08:53 Mocky like, "holy shit, chix walking around in yoga pants and short shorts.. how could I have forgotten that these things exist?"
08:53 asciilifeform Mocky: funnily enuff, whenever i go off the reservation, i ~anti~-miss home
08:53 asciilifeform 'grr, time to go back into bigzone'
08:54 BingoBoingo diana_coman: I prefer Bitcoin. GPGgram me a destination for the shares and I will arrange delivery with Jurov. Thank you for your interest in Journalism.
08:54 asciilifeform just once i gotta go to some place that's moar of a shithole than here, just to see what it feels like.
08:54 asciilifeform but it'd prolly have to be in africa, and i'd rather not africa
08:54 diana_coman BingoBoingo, invoice me via deedbot then
08:55 Mocky i kind of got used to seeing what few chicks there were draped in black with only eyes showing
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08:55 BingoBoingo diana_coman: Will do
08:55 BingoBoingo First Lettuce not forget how Fluffypony came to the attentions of these halls http://trilema.com/2013/why-finance-shouldnt-be-open-to-your-average-schmoe/
08:57 BingoBoingo !!invoice diana_coman 0.15 S.QNTR Auction winner
08:57 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Tir7U/?raw=true
08:57 Mocky but those who were draped in black, covering the eyes as well with some see-thru black cloth: i never got used to that, always felt disconcerting and I don't know why. not like its that much different
08:57 BingoBoingo !!v B0A27ECC59545E027C4F47D628C9FC08D5914DE5109B3083C2122B406A30455C
08:57 deedbot Invoiced diana_coman 0.15 << S.QNTR Auction winner
09:02 BingoBoingo <Mocky> like, "holy shit, chix walking around in yoga pants and short shorts.. how could I have forgotten that these things exist?" << It's definitely going to feel weird when I finally pick up an air cooled VW and start driving again
09:08 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-15#1872488 << thinking about all this, shouldn't the bot say "i don't know who X is" rather than spit out a pad it knows anyway won't be honored ?
09:08 a111 Logged on 2018-11-15 16:40 trinque: if the thing doesn't confirm back to you that the !!pay happened, didn't
09:08 mircea_popescu silence is a terrible error isgnal on irc.
09:11 Mocky over there, every day was like a new out-of-comfort-zone experience and all the work involved asking "wtf should I best be doing right now?" It was exciting even though I don't see success along any dimension except personal learning.
09:12 diana_coman !!v 65ABB72AB2D8B63CFE994544EDAD678B77EE127DBD9C3ECCAA2458C22842C326
09:12 deedbot diana_coman paid BingoBoingo invoice 1
09:13 mircea_popescu Mocky let's engage in the following gedankenexperiment.
09:14 mircea_popescu suppose there's the forum-in-heaven, exactly like this one, but in heaven. every agent (ie, entity capable of self-reflection) has an account in ~that~ wot ; and ultimate-form-mp sits presiding, in its ultimate form of whatever it is, "alien dragon being of pure energy".
09:15 diana_coman BingoBoingo, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/EoZVJ/?raw=true
09:15 mircea_popescu so they're looking into what qatar's been doing with itself, and the discussion isn't going all that well, at which juncture qatar says "fuck you guise, we were ~at least trying~ and nobody would fucking help!"
09:16 mircea_popescu at which point i say "bullshit!" and if the point's at all contentious i point to you.
09:16 mircea_popescu now, at ~that~ juncture, would you say the matter will be adjudicated as "damn you idiots, qatar tried and nobody fucking helped" or as "damn you qatar, fucking idiot, people tried you just won't fucking listen" ?
09:17 Mocky the latter
09:17 mircea_popescu so then why isn't that a dimension of success ?
09:19 mircea_popescu all success ever is, because of all success EVER COULD POSSIBLY BE, is the reduction of such a case to a specified alternative among the alternatives.
09:20 mircea_popescu it's not fucking "people are impressed". it's always "well, should Y question be raised, z opposition is available to it, and it'll fucking stick". the latter part, that's success.
09:20 Mocky well that's success for you! I was looking for something and turned out either not there or well hidden.
09:20 mircea_popescu so all the mathematicians who prove negatives, such as "there's no circle with square corners" are ultimately failures at mathematicing ?
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09:21 mircea_popescu "don't come telling me there's no even prime numbers larger than my mother!!! COME BACK WHEN YOU FOUND SOME!!!"
09:21 Mocky I don't feel bad about it, or regret or anything like that. I'm happy with the whole thing. It just doesn't appear to me as success.
09:21 Mocky lol
09:22 mircea_popescu aokthan
09:22 Mocky seems less like proof and more like testimony of "i looked hard but didn't find"
09:22 mircea_popescu well yes, irl there's no such thing as proof of a negative.
09:24 Mocky anyhow, a+ experience, would do again
09:24 Mocky but next time with driver's license and gold crown
09:24 mircea_popescu kek
09:24 mircea_popescu is this your way of saying you wanna go to burma ?
09:24 mircea_popescu i thought you hate azn cunt.
09:24 mircea_popescu then again, considering how much arab cunt you got to see anyway....
09:25 Mocky burma?
09:25 mircea_popescu not current on logs are we!
09:25 diana_coman I think they call it myanmar nowadays
09:26 Mocky im current!
09:26 Mocky but didn't realize that was serious
09:27 mircea_popescu it wasn't urgent, but what do you mean not serious. i am seriouse guise.
09:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you're naive if you think "asic resistant" will break "chinese monopoly". you don't like that, get someone else to make some chips.
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09:31 mircea_popescu for as long as only slanty eyes has horses, all horse races however drafted will have their fucking horses winning.
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09:32 mircea_popescu and "disk" is no solution, china owns indonesia notwithstanding hilarity posturing to the contrary.
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09:34 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872755 << supposedly this is indeed very easy to get used to.
09:34 a111 Logged on 2018-11-16 13:55 Mocky: i kind of got used to seeing what few chicks there were draped in black with only eyes showing
09:35 Mocky a lot of the time i was thinking, "pretty sure you look better covered"
09:36 Mocky like 65yo granny needs that level of 'modesty'
09:36 mircea_popescu i dunno that's got anything to do with it at all.
09:36 mircea_popescu i believe it's more in the line of seinfeld's "everyone can be great friends if there's no possiblity of sex"
09:38 Mocky well I totally got used to it, except for on sub 5 foot chix... it looks like a halloween costume on a kid and there's no way around it
09:39 mircea_popescu kek
09:39 mircea_popescu i can't find it now, but im pretty sure i recounted this tale of me + chet climbing in wrong (girls-only) car in cairo subway. made the girls giddy, but the ~dudes~ in the other cars nearly threw a riot.
09:40 mircea_popescu and transparently because while the girls were in that-car-overthere by themselves it was one thing, but once it was with-that-dude suddenly they were forcibly confronted with their own personal failure, and that smells too much like death.
09:40 mircea_popescu people can readily get used to less death scent.
09:41 Mocky I, evidently, sat on a girl bench at a mall that had one girl 30 feet away. was asked to move by security guard who pointed me over to 30 foot bench full of dudes
09:42 mircea_popescu kek
09:42 mircea_popescu see, the more i hear the more i prefer the egyptians. i took girl to evidently man-only tea-and-shisheria. lotta old dudes looked on in silence, bothered me none.
09:43 mircea_popescu i don't think i appeared ~that~ fierce. i just think they were polite. ~everything i hear of qatar strikes me with an overpowering scent of what in teh old world was called nouveau riche.
09:43 mircea_popescu meanwhile cairo has been there for a long fucking time.
09:44 Mocky one beautiful thing I notices was that old busy bodies can't even give you a dirty look when their face has to be covered.
09:45 mircea_popescu oh, you have that in the us huh ?
09:47 Mocky not really that often but I was expecting qataris to express a higher level of indignation at foreigners flouting their strict conduct rules. but in actuality not even possible to achieve eye contact
09:56 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872800 << i know quite well that it doesn't, hence 'perpetuum mobile' observation
09:56 a111 Logged on 2018-11-16 14:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're naive if you think "asic resistant" will break "chinese monopoly". you don't like that, get someone else to make some chips.
09:56 * asciilifeform rewinds, eats l0g
10:00 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872781 << imho 'no can haz' proofs are the single most valuable type of result in all of mathematics. they remove (for sane folx, at least, there ~are~ still circle-squarers walking around) dead ends from consideration, save much brain juice for other things that actually yield
10:00 a111 Logged on 2018-11-16 14:20 mircea_popescu: so all the mathematicians who prove negatives, such as "there's no circle with square corners" are ultimately failures at mathematicing ?
10:01 Mocky my opinion changed about asians. I chatted with a bunch of actually cute asians. and it wasn't even like, "weeks in this female wasteland and now asians are starting to look good." That was the africans.
10:03 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872802 << 'proof of disk' is 'solution' in the sense that the amt of disk required grows 4evah ( just as what we have now in trad btc, except that shitoshi did not see it fit to include block-walks in mining eqn ) . granted it doesn't magic away the 'only asia' thing, nuffin could, as mircea_popescu pointed out in the horse example. may very well transform 'chinese monopoly' to 'korean'
10:03 a111 Logged on 2018-11-16 14:32 mircea_popescu: and "disk" is no solution, china owns indonesia notwithstanding hilarity posturing to the contrary.
10:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i quite agree.
10:03 asciilifeform the part where it wins is that it actually forces folx to store the blox, rather than 'resist' anyffing.
10:04 mircea_popescu asciilifeform hence http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/
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10:04 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha, tho i was extending the chain of the thread we had re that piece in '17
10:04 asciilifeform recall, with the luby(3 blox) thing
10:05 mircea_popescu yes.
10:05 mircea_popescu i quoted for teh title
10:06 asciilifeform btw i was going through my ffa notebooks and found a margin note that was actually about this, that prolly oughta go in the l0gz : if yer 'pow' is a walk-through-storage, 1 problem is that initial state of the system gives too little material to walk. so 1 interesting answer might be to include a 'ballast', consisting of, say, the first 9 yrs of classical btc blox, 1...N, that is part of the luby'd set (as raw bytes, rather than as m
10:06 asciilifeform eaningful item)
10:07 asciilifeform this way the miner immediately needs 200GB of random access, to play.
10:08 asciilifeform ( and as side effect helps to cement classical btc history 4evah )
10:11 asciilifeform the ballast could just as readily be FG output, but i like this variant much moar ( and it removes the suspicion that 'they used prng and can trot out the seekrit formula and save 200GB of space in their seekrit miner' etc )
10:13 asciilifeform as for 'resist', the only sense in which it does is that the scheme has very little (tho not zero) reward for custom irons, any storage device that is good for 'proof of blox-on-disk' is also a good general-purpose random access store, and is saleable commodity
10:14 asciilifeform ( even if it is 'custom' in the sense of being a write-once rom . these, too , saleable, i'd buy a whole crate right nao if anybody were selling )
10:16 Mocky so anyway, i would totally do burma. but I have such a mess here of my own making that I couldn't even afford to feed myself burmese rice while there, much less lodging. So what then, go completely on mircea_popescu's dime? is that really desirable?
10:17 asciilifeform Mocky: if it aint mega-seekrit, what precisely was it that happened to you ? house burned down ?
10:22 Mocky I sold my coin for bank-transferolade and I thought I had mitigated the risk but 2 months later transfers got reversed
10:22 asciilifeform ugh
10:23 asciilifeform i thought hard limit for that was 6weeks or similar?!
10:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu didja know ??
10:24 asciilifeform loox like ameri-banks are an item exactly like gox nao, 'keep there only what you can afford to lose' ( but i suppose this aint news )
10:24 Mocky it was "zelle", us bank cartel's answer to paypal/venmo
10:24 asciilifeform aa so not traditional bank wire ?
10:25 asciilifeform iirc even paypal has hard limit of 30d for reverse
10:25 asciilifeform ( i could be mistaken )
10:25 BingoBoingo !Qlater tell jurov http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SSwUv/?raw=true
10:25 lobbesbot BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
10:26 Mocky right. yeah was close to two months if not 2.
10:28 Mocky i would have been ok too, I moved the money. wouldn't have cried over a burned bank acct. but after a month I thought I was good
10:43 asciilifeform Mocky: sux
10:43 asciilifeform banks died as a rational concept, we're sorta back to the old days of buried treasure as storage
10:44 Mocky extremely valuable object lesson
10:45 mircea_popescu Mocky yeah, back to back like that not really promoting sanity. and besides, all the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-10#1870721 stil lleft to do.
10:45 a111 Logged on 2018-11-10 20:35 mircea_popescu: get that memory in bit format before it volatiles away.
10:46 mircea_popescu Mocky very stupid idea. why not say something here ffs.
10:46 mircea_popescu could have told you not to do that then.
10:47 mircea_popescu were you trying to not meet people in person or what the fuck was the thinking anyway.
10:48 Mocky I went through all the people in person I could find
10:49 mircea_popescu ah
10:50 Mocky I can see quite clearly now that it was very stupid
10:50 mircea_popescu remarkable how poor teh us is huh.
10:50 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-13#1871987 on one hand, where are you again, ct ? can't absorb a piddly coin ?
10:50 a111 Logged on 2018-11-13 19:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't understand how useless the anglos are. do you know that in ALL OF CHICAGO 100% of the "bitcoin market" consists of this one inept fed ?
10:50 asciilifeform iirc qatar, with $maxint, also 'could not absorb a piddly coin'
10:51 asciilifeform ( invites the q, of where, exactly, is 'rich' )
10:52 Mocky north carolina
10:52 BingoBoingo Uruguay may not be rich enought to eat a whole coin, but seems to reliably deliver 500 USD to any given bench within 1-2 hours of arranging delivery
10:52 BingoBoingo (Provided you didn't eat the 500 USD of liquidity too recently)
10:55 mircea_popescu this now begs the questrion whether if i send my valkiries they would somehow manifest liquidity. god knows i had no problem dealing as much as i wanted in buenos aires. nor here. nor apparently anywhere (except when it comes to wiring to bb, which is becoming the lulz of all time, somehow)
10:56 Mocky in fairness, absorbed 2 coins choked on third
10:56 mircea_popescu oh.
10:56 mircea_popescu wait, i thought i gave you two for qatar adventure
10:57 Mocky yes, those 2 turned to cash in person
10:58 mircea_popescu so then how months i don't get it, you mean the other coin from yest ?
11:00 Mocky before leaving for qatar I sold your 2 coins and then my own coin.
11:01 mircea_popescu oh i c
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11:20 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/11/in-filing-begging-for-sealed-charges-copypaste-mishap-confirms-assange-as-target-of-us-prosecutors/ << Qntra - In Filing Begging For Sealed Charges Copy/Paste Mishap Confirms Assange As Target Of US Prosecutors
11:23 mircea_popescu aww
11:24 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo epic keks
11:24 asciilifeform lol!
11:24 asciilifeform ms excel bug, or wat.
11:26 asciilifeform also i dunget what is the point of 'seekrit charges' etc. already pretty clear that if d00d ever ends up in reich he'll be rolled in bear cage to the national square where drawn and quartered, what 'charges'
11:28 BingoBoingo Well, it's paperwork to present to whatever orcs pop up along the way
11:29 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: evidently the paper can be whatever they like, if rng-generated names are apparently ok nao
11:29 asciilifeform why not whole thing from rng.
11:30 asciilifeform 'by order of her majesty clitler, this here mr winston smith is to be delivered to tower and held at the queen's pleasure' etc
11:30 asciilifeform same document will work for assange, for BingoBoingo , asciilifeform , etc., can print a crate of'em, wainot
11:35 BingoBoingo Orc's like paperwork, pageantry, and the impression they are in on a seekrit. All they gotta do is put a gold foil stamp on an envelope containing 'seekrit identity' of Mr Pseudonym and they are prolly riding 90% orc compliance rate.
11:40 mircea_popescu the latter.
11:41 mircea_popescu empire is selling orcs the impression "they're in on a secret"
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11:42 asciilifeform that actually makes sense
11:42 asciilifeform pretty much the only lure the reich has remaining to offer idjits
11:42 BingoBoingo If you can print holographs and swear solemnly to be divulging seekrits, you've done 90%
11:51 BingoBoingo Anyways Dick Cheney can't assume he's not going to be arrested if he goes to certain other countries either.
11:55 mircea_popescu im fucking arresting him if he ever shows up, that's for sure.
11:58 Mocky he used to be my boss. secretary of defense when I was driving tank
12:13 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/do-you-know-what-an-unicorn-is/ << Trilema - Do you know what an unicorn is ?
12:22 asciilifeform http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/unicorn-4.jpg << lol there's a 'valve' like that in washington also ( iirc gift from jp in 1930s! )
12:22 asciilifeform i see it erry spring when i go to the sakuras
12:23 asciilifeform ( they -- also in same gift )
12:23 asciilifeform http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/unicorn-5.jpg << loox like kerosene lamp!
12:24 BingoBoingo Well, it is a smoking lamp
12:25 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what are the oddball protrusions for ?
12:25 asciilifeform ( decorative ? or they have a mechanical function ? )
12:26 BingoBoingo Functional
12:26 asciilifeform elaborate?
12:26 BingoBoingo They provide more paths for the smoke to percolate through the water so it is easier to pull the smoke deep into the lungs
12:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform afaik lanterns no ?
12:27 asciilifeform hm
12:27 asciilifeform i didn't think smoked pot burns all that brightly as it goes
12:27 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It works as described by mircea_popescu in the blog
12:27 mircea_popescu the first lol
12:27 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: still reading, lol
12:27 mircea_popescu "valve"
12:27 asciilifeform oh oh
12:28 asciilifeform i was speaking of the glass thing
12:29 mircea_popescu anyway, the item is quiote well made. so smoke goes from slider into side of conical shape, towards top. bottom of this conical shape has dozen+ round cylinders which let out into the bottom bowl. this bottom bowl is sealed off from the suction tube atop on the direct path ; the only respondency is through the four bubbles, which have a low and a high feeder and let out smoke into the top suction tube
12:29 mircea_popescu through yet another pipe.
12:29 mircea_popescu and item seems a+ grade lead glass, proper thickness, very solid.
12:30 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you may find it interesting that there's a shop selling items like that thing on ~erry street where i live. and some are quite elaborate, over a metre tall, and clearly hand-made, very ornate. possibly the last major handicraft remaining in this here orcistan.
12:30 mircea_popescu aha. i am aware.
12:30 mircea_popescu this piece, evidently industrially made ; but i do not regret it, for it has all the advantages that promises (uniformity, solidity, etc). handmade is pretty but fragile, nothing wrong with it but diff class.
12:31 * asciilifeform luvvvs laboratory glass, at one time had a fairly large collection, prolly enuff to be jailed for 25yr in new york or wherever it was
12:31 * mircea_popescu believes "handmade" and "art" to be unrelated ; one can have industrial art (such as, eminently, the z80, and such as very much NOT warhola's crapolade)
12:32 asciilifeform verily
12:32 mircea_popescu so this imo is fine exemplar of that.
12:32 mircea_popescu anti-chinesium if you will.
12:32 asciilifeform ( i actually have a b00k by orig designer of z80, where he actually walks through the die, transistor by transistor, as if it were picasso )
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12:32 * asciilifeform hopes to live to write a b00k like that
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12:33 mircea_popescu godspeed!
12:33 asciilifeform try to picture this for an abomination like intel's
12:33 asciilifeform simply impossible to even contemplate
12:33 mircea_popescu the less you know, the easier to contemplate.
12:35 asciilifeform http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/unicorn-6.jpg << good old thinkpad x40 ?
12:36 mircea_popescu aha.
12:36 mircea_popescu right model, too.
12:36 * asciilifeform has owned at various times prolly entire line
12:36 asciilifeform even a coupla from after they turned sad
12:37 mircea_popescu ~ibm~ x40. wirth the old logo on the face too
12:37 asciilifeform aha!
12:37 * asciilifeform still has 1 of these
12:37 mircea_popescu evidently, so do i.
12:37 asciilifeform i watched films on it for yrs
12:37 mircea_popescu yup. what it does. the vertical cable goes to suspended screen
12:37 asciilifeform ( iirc was 1st lappy i ever owned that had enuff horse to reliably play avi )
12:38 mircea_popescu chokes on 1080 / stupid formats, but otherwise will even do mkv
12:38 asciilifeform oh it was in old times, i did not have external screen then
12:39 asciilifeform so anyffing that actually fit in 1024x768, rendered ok, it was perfect match
12:39 mircea_popescu aha.
12:39 asciilifeform ( and later x60 is pretty much a physically shrunken version of that box, with slightly faster cpu )
12:48 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872832 << btw i enjoyed rereading this
12:48 a111 Logged on 2018-11-16 15:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hence http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/
12:48 asciilifeform ( incl some of the comments i apparently missed on the 1st coupla passes )
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13:57 ave1 asciilifeform, Do you have a title or reference for this book? http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872937 (So far I found Masatoshi Shima as the principal designer, but no book by him yet...)
13:57 a111 Logged on 2018-11-16 17:32 asciilifeform: ( i actually have a b00k by orig designer of z80, where he actually walks through the die, transistor by transistor, as if it were picasso )
13:59 asciilifeform ave1: i'ma have to dig and come back to you on that
13:59 asciilifeform presently title escapes me
14:00 asciilifeform ( iirc i read it as a scan, rather than actual b00k )
14:00 ave1 k, I can wait
14:00 asciilifeform how's things otherwise, ave1 ?
14:02 ave1 busy these days, I've been looking for a new job (seems to be the theme of this year...)
14:03 ave1 one may be for a semiconductor machine builder
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14:06 ave1 btw the udp code now also runs on aarch64
14:06 ave1 I plan to write it up an publish beginning next week
14:06 asciilifeform neato!
14:08 asciilifeform ave1: c. d. smith, 'the zx spectrum ula: how to design a microcomputer' btw
14:08 asciilifeform and it was moar about the chipset than z80 per se, now that i revisit it
14:10 ave1 thx! I was also interested because of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872938
14:10 a111 Logged on 2018-11-16 17:32 asciilifeform hopes to live to write a b00k like that
14:10 asciilifeform eh it aint actually that great. turns out was much better in my memory than in life.
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14:11 asciilifeform but i'd like to write the proper one, lol
14:11 ave1 lol
14:11 asciilifeform ( about our fyootoor machine, if i live long enuff, rather than z80 )
14:11 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/11/forkcoin-that-split-from-bitcoin-now-struck-by-contentious-hardfork/ << Qntra - Forkcoin That Split From Bitcoin Now Struck By Contentious Hardfork
14:12 BingoBoingo Not everything in print can be Popescu's work on the Urban-Rural dispute or Russel's 'Wasp'
14:13 asciilifeform BingoBoingo apparently fan of efr... pick up any of his other items ?
14:13 BingoBoingo Not yet. Library huge, time constrained.
14:14 asciilifeform https://www.abelard.org/e-f-russell.php << 31337 w4r3z for BingoBoingo
14:14 BingoBoingo tyvm
14:14 BingoBoingo +1 language means there is now +1 literary canon to attack
14:15 asciilifeform this also ( read cervantes yet ? )
14:15 BingoBoingo Not in the depth I'd like to
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14:16 * BingoBoingo has to find where the spanish language print warez lives, what I had ben considering 'general purpose' warez dumps are clogged with translations and adaptations
14:17 * asciilifeform liked g. g. marquez, and in fact sometimes pictures castle mircea_popescustein sitting in marquezian landscape
14:17 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: do they have libraries over in BingoBoingostan ?
14:17 asciilifeform even if not, i saw plenty of quite well stocked oldb00k shops
14:18 BingoBoingo There's the oldbook shops and a couple good streets in the feria. Feria is where I found my copy of the Código de Comercio
14:20 BingoBoingo Like the flea markets back home most of the book tables are clogged with mass market paperbacks and low effort "nonfiction" topic books.
14:20 asciilifeform the street where the flea market ?
14:21 BingoBoingo Well, the market is centered on Tristan Narvaja, but it branches off into themed side streets
14:21 asciilifeform aa
14:22 BingoBoingo There's the camera heavy antique street. The kitchenware heave antique street. The book streets. The music cd streets.
14:22 BingoBoingo The corner with the lampshades
14:24 BingoBoingo Get far enough out and it's the Pichis with the week's dumpster finds unwashed in the saddest streets
14:25 BingoBoingo There is a national library and the different Facultads have libraries, but the general "Public Library" as pushed in Anglostan by Carnegie doesn't seem to exist here
14:26 asciilifeform it's pretty much dead in anglostan too ( they've become bum hangouts, with winblowz public toilets where the b00kz used to be )
14:27 asciilifeform i sometimes still go to the local uni lib, but it too is going down this road
14:27 asciilifeform ( already 3 of 8 floors have 0 dead tree )
14:27 BingoBoingo The one in my Hometown still mostly functioned as it did when I was young, save the winblows toilets have even less space assigned to them than they did in the past.
14:29 BingoBoingo Low bum population is a perk of being rural enough the local authorities have to drive the bums 20 miles away to the county lockup
14:30 BingoBoingo It is a long walk if the bums are set on the one particular small town
14:31 BingoBoingo Now I'm in the opposite geography. Everywhere rural in the country sends their bums here because "there's shelters"
14:32 BingoBoingo Not that the Pichis actual use the shelters
14:37 Mocky BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iZbA9/?raw=true
14:40 BingoBoingo Mocky: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xLhch/?raw=true
14:42 Mocky BingoBoingo, will do if needed
14:53 BingoBoingo For the Miami files: https://archive.is/8i6v7
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15:47 lobbes amusingly, few weeks ago I was talking with some bums outside of the $work-tower while smoking. They mentioned they had been bumming rides down from W. Virginia, were headed to... Miami! for the winter
15:50 Mocky bum rush
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16:36 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-14#1872157 << yeah it's a rook. in my mind it's associated with archives behind castle walls, but it's not particularly correct, since a rook is a siege tower. maybe a bishop would've been a better a choice
16:36 a111 Logged on 2018-11-14 04:58 mircea_popescu: ♖<< is this a chess piece (rook) ?
16:37 deedbot http://thewhet.net/2018/11/whos-responsible-for-this/ << The Whet - Who's responsible for this?!
16:39 phf it lives in the "miscellaneous symbols" block (like the other symbols i use for annotation), which has been in unicode since '93. there are more appropriate symbols in higher planes, but they either don't render, or have forced emoji equivalents, or render differently on different systems, etc. etc.
16:44 asciilifeform phf: it displays ok on my box
16:46 * asciilifeform gently prods phf re the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-09#1870461 cheops pyramid
16:46 a111 Logged on 2018-11-09 18:51 asciilifeform: !Q phf didja ever get chance to unearth the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862616 item ?
16:47 phf asciilifeform: i'll try to do it this weekend, i also have a backlog of vpatches i need to push. my flight is on the 30th and i'm moving out of my current apartment. so things have been busy
16:47 asciilifeform aite
16:48 asciilifeform phf: if the thing is a paper scroll etc, feel free to xerox and post it to my postbox if that's easier than scans
16:48 asciilifeform ( addr is in top-left of 1st photo of mircea_popescu's http://trilema.com/2017/fuckgoats-unboxing-of )
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16:49 asciilifeform i'm even ok with a roll of b&w fujifilm, if too big for xerox.
16:49 asciilifeform would like to get hands on that thing tho, at some pt
16:51 asciilifeform phf: invoice asciilifeform if it ends up costing sumthing.
16:51 phf nah, i just need to go through three different scan archives, to find where it was
16:52 phf i had a point in my head, until i realized that it doesn't resolve to anything concrete when it comes to a pile of IMG_123123.JPG, have to go one by one
16:52 phf *pointer
16:52 asciilifeform ideally would like errything pertaining to that ic
16:53 asciilifeform and any boards it was featured in
16:55 phf you overestimate the loot :> i have a lot of 3600 shit, but almost nothing on ivory. i have a handful of relevant documents though, that i can needle out
16:55 asciilifeform aite, ty
16:56 asciilifeform 3600 i did not find very interesting, hence why i traded it, lol
16:58 phf given how sparse the materials are, if you're rebuilding the hardware, you might as well start with CADR instead of 3600
16:59 asciilifeform whole point of that particular dig of asciilifeform's, was to see if maybe possible ~not~ to go back to cadr, and maybe we lost only 20 yrs and not 30
16:59 asciilifeform cadr was a horrendous thing because designed around two tonnes of 74xxx
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16:59 asciilifeform ( if you were to start today with two tonnes of 74xxx, you would end up with something that looks quite a bit like cadr )
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17:01 asciilifeform even ivory had a buncha similar ugly, iirc it still used external weitek thing (same as in yours and mine 486) for arithmetics
17:01 asciilifeform but much less than the old liquishit
17:06 phf oh i thought that cpu looked familiar, yeah i guess it did
17:06 asciilifeform afaik it's the same item
17:07 asciilifeform floating point gizmo
17:07 asciilifeform ( back in the days when cult of 'flops' were going strong... )
17:09 asciilifeform i wouldn't consider ever to put floatism in a new design, but for compat with the vintage soft one would need it ( fortunately unlike 'ivory' the weitek is documented to death, i even have a copy of the datashit from ancient ru stash )
17:09 asciilifeform literally erry other ic on the 'ivory 3' board is stock ( save possibly for a GAL or 2 )
17:10 asciilifeform unlike, e.g., 3620, where i remember no fewer than 9 massive pga things
17:11 asciilifeform ( along with hundreds of PALs and GALs, which ~each~ could take several hrs of probe just to extract the trooftable , plus fucktonne of board track )
17:16 phf oh yeah, i've meditated on this problem (even given that some things, e.g. pal truth tables are available), unfortunately i suspect that ~~everything related to ivory is lost. (possibly the mit guy has a copy, but that's a dead end sealed shut. will have to wait for the estate sale and such)
17:17 asciilifeform waitasec what doc are we then speaking of
17:17 asciilifeform in phf's find
17:17 asciilifeform i thought it was specifically re ivory
17:18 phf ivory, and i said "near everything"
17:18 asciilifeform a
17:19 phf ivory is basically part of symbolics's digital age, and i don't know of the existence of e.g. somebody's home folder that you just need to but on the right machine, and you can bring up the "rebuild the ivory from first principles" workspace
17:20 asciilifeform i dun expect that ~this~ exists anywhere outside of indiana jones warehouse, no
17:20 phf but i know for a fact that macsyma source is lost, which is a terrible shame
17:20 asciilifeform what do you mean? i have the u.s. doe one right here
17:21 asciilifeform just how much moar was in the bolix ?
17:21 asciilifeform the way i understand it, bolix macsyma was largely a free ride on the public dollar one
17:21 asciilifeform ( incidentally just like wolfram's 'mathematica' in the initial versions )
17:23 asciilifeform ( btw mircea_popescu , consider the sheer mindfuck, the 1st and still to date greatest mechanical algebratron was not only written in usg nuke establishment, but ~openly published~ -- very diff people in '70s )
17:25 phf well, symbolics macsyma existed for a decade after the dod one. i've tried a few papers from 80s digests, that had macsyma code in them, and they all assumed symbolics and they all refused to run on maxima (because of missing stuff)
17:25 asciilifeform interesting
17:25 asciilifeform so i guess it's sorta like cadr vs 36xx
17:29 phf heh, http://www.symbolics-dks.com/Macsyma-1.htm
17:30 asciilifeform yea that page's been exactly like-that since at least '06 when i 1st saw it
17:30 asciilifeform the disk dun include any sores tho, i checked.
17:31 phf right, because upstream doesn't have it either
17:32 asciilifeform ~somebody~ -- has. some http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863759 type. i dun usually believe in 'losts'.
17:32 a111 Logged on 2018-10-19 00:51 asciilifeform: 'i'ma sit on this gold' 'why' 'because i am gnome'
17:35 asciilifeform gnomism is almost like an infectious disease. i still can't properly fathom the behaviour of all those folx who had the alpha genera cd for decade+ and didn't put on piratebay.
17:36 asciilifeform it's almost like folx revert to the condition of the alchemists when given half a chance.
17:36 asciilifeform 'pour some mars into the boiling pot of jupiter, and promise not to reveal the seekrit to the profane'
17:37 BingoBoingo gnomes sit on gold because deep down on the inside they want to feel like dragons
17:39 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: there's at least a little bit of the healthy dynamic where 'why should i throw the pearls before swine', iirc mircea_popescu expanded on this
17:39 BingoBoingo Never mind that unlike dragons, gnomes are too handicaped to bring results liek dragons. "I R gnome, If I sit on gold liek the dragons do Imma be a dragon too"
17:39 asciilifeform except that one doesn't publish for the swine, you publish for the 3 d00dz who actually have with what to make sense.
17:40 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i dun see much diff b/w the bolix gnomes and the 40 y.o. chix who 'waiting for right man' to pop cherry, as pictured also in mircea_popescu's essays
17:44 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i suspect there's some http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872899 in the psycho-mix also
17:44 a111 Logged on 2018-11-16 16:41 mircea_popescu: empire is selling orcs the impression "they're in on a secret"
17:46 asciilifeform whichever way -- there's apparently a set of people who find it moar satisfying to sit on a trunk of rotting tapes, than to see the idiocy of computing 1990-present cured
17:48 asciilifeform tlp i suspect has the full dirt re subj. i.e. when you have the trunk, you can carry on thinking yer the 'start of movie', but if sumbody else builds , then somehow 'not star' no moar
17:48 asciilifeform *star of movie
17:48 BingoBoingo Hey, someone could criticize or correct them during the curing. While sitting on the tapes they can dream without confronting anything.
17:50 asciilifeform there's also the 'is it really ~the~ tapes' aspect. as in the old thing with the gold bars that nobody wants to drill for tungsten. consider for instance how nikola tesla was able to live in the waldorf for years, with the loan collateral being a trunk containing 'great invention of much dangerous power'. when died, turned out to contain a whetstone bridge.
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17:52 asciilifeform ( i do not, tbf, know whether this legend is troo, but given the credulous people of the time and the man's talent for self-pr, i can easily buy it )
17:53 asciilifeform ( and will add, it aint as if today's ameritards are less credulous. simply today better corralled, today's hotel owner will equally idiotically invest in usg bonds, rather than tesla's trunk, is all )
17:54 asciilifeform 'the bezzle' is prolly as old as all of culture.
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18:11 phf asciilifeform: would you mind reminding me where your ada mmap code lived?
18:12 asciilifeform phf: the early ver that was actually posted is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666647 . however there's a clean/rewritten one, in a 90% state of completion, not yet genesis'd
18:12 a111 Logged on 2017-06-06 19:40 asciilifeform: mod6, phf , et al : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/ada/horsecocks.tar.gz << i dun recall posting this before, so here it will live, for nao : unofficial release of mmaptron
18:13 asciilifeform it is on hold pending resolution of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-26#1866266 ( and is taking back seat to ffa currently )
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18:13 a111 Logged on 2018-10-26 02:14 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in gnat bugs : apparently ( and this is documented or mentioned nowhere ) : it is impossible to have a Ada.Finalization.Limited_Controlled type ANYWHERE inside a static library, unless it is generic all the way down (i.e. if the lib package is generic, any sub-packages must also be instantiated as generics )
18:13 asciilifeform phf: the 'horsecocks' one requires pointerism to be enabled; the new one does not
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18:13 phf ty, i've been using linux in console mode on my rk, so i wanted to write a framebuffer tooling for ada, using your mmap as blueprint (i'm not sure there's much overlap though..)
18:14 asciilifeform ( uses system.address internally to turn yer mmap into a 100% transparent 'as if you had declared it on stack' variable that is backed to/from disk via mmap )
18:14 phf yeah, i want similar principle for framebuffer
18:14 asciilifeform i expect if you bake sumthing on 'horsecocks', it will be simple to rewrite on new item, will simply shed a few lines of coad
18:15 asciilifeform keep in mind that horsecocks has hardcoded constants in it that may or may not work on arm ( per bvt's dig )
18:15 * phf nods
18:16 asciilifeform i'm not sure how one would go about using mmap for frame buffer
18:16 asciilifeform ( would specify the iron address, and run as root ?? )
18:17 phf nah, very explicitly a linuxism "/dev/fb0", which you ioctl for details and then mmap
18:17 asciilifeform if yer running in kernel, you dun need mmap call, you can simply set the address of your array to be the magic iron addr directly
18:17 asciilifeform aa
18:17 asciilifeform ok makes sense
18:18 phf ioctl gives you dimensions and bit depth, and then you mmap x*y*bpp/8 worth
18:19 asciilifeform i admit that i've never actually plugged a display into rk
18:19 asciilifeform have nfi how well it worx and what exactly it takes to get a picture
18:20 asciilifeform iirc the display subsystem was never fully reversed yet
18:20 asciilifeform ( or maybe was only the 3d gpu that wasnt, i dun recall )
18:20 phf i meant the asus, i'm running it without X, but i suspect that pretty much standard way of doing gui on a console is via /dev/fb0. rk eventually will give you similar device if everything else is correct
18:20 asciilifeform aaa
18:21 asciilifeform if you have a working /dev/fb0 you can theoretically have x tho, neh
18:21 phf i've been using the asus as kind of netbook, i'm generally pleased with it *not* having x
18:22 asciilifeform ( if yer writing even so much as a tetris, even on dos box you needed a bit more than simply fb to do it without 'tearing', you need some way to insta-flip the 'pages' , possibly ioctl ? )
18:22 phf it's got ada, emacs, sbcl (and some extra tooling like mutt and a pdf reader)
18:22 asciilifeform so looking to put colour emacs in there or wat
18:22 asciilifeform why need fb
18:23 phf pictures
18:23 asciilifeform aa
18:24 phf also graphs, sometimes you just need to throw up the graphics, and i'd rather not do it with c
18:25 asciilifeform fair'nuff
18:25 asciilifeform i'm looking forward to the hero who pulls off a msdos gnat port btw
18:25 asciilifeform ( i deliberately wrote ffa in such a way that it oughta work on under 32bit or even plain 16, supposing somehow enuff ram )
18:26 asciilifeform ( i dun ask that the gnat also ~runs~ under dos, tho that would be 9000x spiffier even . simply ~for~ )
18:27 asciilifeform ( for nitpickers -- 8bit won't work, you cannot represent the ~length~ of a crypto-useful integer in 8 )
18:28 phf i'd imagine there's gnat as part of djgpp, probably already prebuilt
18:28 asciilifeform i looked for this wonder, but never found ( and supposing it exists, it is almost certainly the wrong gnat, i want ave1's )
18:29 phf lol
18:29 phf as in good luck with that
18:29 asciilifeform i use preconditions, for instance, and they only work as written with ada2012
18:29 asciilifeform ( in earlier ada they were quite ugly )
18:30 asciilifeform some of my restrict pragmas are also 2012istic
18:31 asciilifeform ( fwiw i consider 2012 mature, and can't picture why i'd want later ones, unless perhaps fixes serious bugs like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-26#1866266 -- and even ~then~ i'd prefer to backport to ave1istic gnat )
18:31 a111 Logged on 2018-10-26 02:14 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in gnat bugs : apparently ( and this is documented or mentioned nowhere ) : it is impossible to have a Ada.Finalization.Limited_Controlled type ANYWHERE inside a static library, unless it is generic all the way down (i.e. if the lib package is generic, any sub-packages must also be instantiated as generics )
18:32 asciilifeform ffa/p-tron as a dos boot disk would imho rock.
18:32 asciilifeform ( fg on serial port, naturally )
18:33 asciilifeform i/o via the 2nd serial port.
18:33 asciilifeform no disks, whole thing in rom, bahaha.
18:34 * phf afk
18:34 asciilifeform i dun particularly see why unix needs to be happening on an airgapped rsa box.
18:35 * asciilifeform also bbl:meat
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19:28 BingoBoingo In other news, apparently the U17 Female world cup is in town and the Españolas shop at Tienda Inglesa
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20:33 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-15#1872289 << not true, eats postgres as well.
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20:33 a111 Logged on 2018-11-15 02:26 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-15#1872279 << currently i know veeery little about mysql ( always used postgres, and at this point know embarrassingly much re the internals and tuning knobs ) -- but iirc mp's-wp requires specifically mysql, so prolly doomed to study it at some point
20:33 mircea_popescu i just happen to use mysql.
20:33 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-15#1872292 << nah, fairly transparent, config knob
20:33 a111 Logged on 2018-11-15 02:28 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's what wordpress expects. Otherthings can be forced into place at substantial cost.
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20:52 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872971 << that'd actually be great, if you're asking.
20:52 a111 Logged on 2018-11-16 19:03 ave1: one may be for a semiconductor machine builder
20:55 deedbot http://bimbo.club/?p=80 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 11/03/2018
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21:49 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872979 << lol.
21:49 a111 Logged on 2018-11-16 19:10 asciilifeform: eh it aint actually that great. turns out was much better in my memory than in life.
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22:12 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo subsribers
22:13 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872991 << i muchly recommend the spanish adventure romances of the medieval period.
22:13 a111 Logged on 2018-11-16 19:15 BingoBoingo: Not in the depth I'd like to
22:13 mircea_popescu much the fuck better than "Westerns", and evidently cribbed liberally rfor the latter.
22:20 asciilifeform of the 20th c folx -- i also liked borges
22:21 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-17#1873152 << hm i was recalling having had to mutilate mine to eat postgres -- but it's been 11+y nao since i last touched the thing , so could be entirely off
22:21 a111 Logged on 2018-11-17 01:33 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-15#1872289 << not true, eats postgres as well.
22:31 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: ty, fxd
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