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01:34 lobbes trinque, ben_vulpes, I can't seem to get logbot to send messages from the 'outbox' table. Could either of you confirm that I'm entering data into the 'outbox.target' field in the right format? (e.g. does it need to be a 'raw' IRC message instead?) >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lRoDB/?raw=true
01:34 lobbes I'm seeing the NOTIFY messages in postgres when I insert into the outbox table, so I think the triggers are working. Log table is also getting inserts which confirms that irc/sbcl/postgres are interfacing. I'm trying to rule out any obvious things I might be missing
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04:29 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-21#1836952 <-- atm it only knows ro-en and en-ro expressions, but I'm putting this (and other $srclang-$dstlang) in the queue. I'm curious if I can find dictionaries and put them into the proper format.
04:29 a111 Logged on 2018-07-21 14:41 mircea_popescu: !S ru-fr
04:34 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-21#1836965 <-- also, bucharest has a stable population of sparrows and other small birds during spring and summer (this in addition to the usual pigeons). some swallows, blackbirds, I've even seen woodpeckers at times. this in stark contrast to "civilized world" towns, where 0 birds, I've no idea what keeps them away.
04:34 a111 Logged on 2018-07-21 14:52 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-21#1836936 << this might be the key re why mosquito hell in usa 'suburbia' -- the only public land there, is the asphalt. ( who wants spraying , has to specifically pay , and they come and spray out poison that kills errything that moves, frogs, cats, dogs, etc )
04:35 mircea_popescu spyked wait a second, i dun follow. so it's just a word-substituter from list ?
04:36 spyked mircea_popescu, yeah. looks up words from asciilifeform's text dictionaries.
04:36 mircea_popescu spyked champion level of that is -- butterflies. i had butterflies flying overhead WHILE INSIDE OCEAN.
04:37 spyked the thing I dun get is: bucharest is (if we're to believe official stats) one of the most polluted towns in europe. so why no birds in geneva. they must do something to keep them away.
04:38 mircea_popescu 99.x% alsphalt.
04:41 spyked that makes sense. most of the sun blocked here is by a thick wall of trees outside the window.
04:45 spyked re. dictionary, I could also add google translate, but I expect that performs badly for expressions. let's take for example...
04:45 spyked !S ro-en da de furca
04:45 spykedbot a da de furca/ a da bataie de cap cuiva, a deranja/ a importuna pe cineva: to put smb. to trouble, to give smb. trouble
04:45 spyked google translates this to "give it a fork". wtf.
04:48 * spyked should improve the matching algorithm though. should allow for partial matches and selecting from multiple matches somehow.
04:48 spyked !S ro-en da cuiva de furca
04:48 spykedbot a da cuiva de furca: give smb. a gruelling time, to
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06:09 diana_coman give it a fork in the eye - might work
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12:01 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837129 << i suspect that butterfly is not quite perfect 'clean air gauge' : i've seen monarchs fluttering in the dourest cement jungles of usgistan.
12:01 a111 Logged on 2018-07-22 08:36 mircea_popescu: spyked champion level of that is -- butterflies. i had butterflies flying overhead WHILE INSIDE OCEAN.
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12:49 hanbot http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837139 << ahaha did google translate make a pun?!
12:49 a111 Logged on 2018-07-22 08:48 spykedbot: a da cuiva de furca: give smb. a gruelling time, to
12:50 asciilifeform hanbot: the thing dun googletranslated, it's simply a grep into http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740761 .txt
12:50 a111 Logged on 2017-11-19 19:22 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ro_eng_tech.txt http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ro_eng_expr.txt << 313333337 w4r3z
12:52 hanbot ah, okay. i misread as gt test run.
12:53 mircea_popescu !S ro-en pizdele dau luzerilor de furca
12:53 spykedbot No entries found for pizdele dau luzerilor de furca.
12:53 mircea_popescu spykedbot well, the google translate approach is dubious at best, but at least ~it handles all inputs~. this is an important property.
12:54 mircea_popescu now, for obvious reasons direct substitution engine on basis of dictionary list doesn't work -- language flexion, "a da de furca" becomes x DAU y DE FURCA and so on.
12:54 mircea_popescu nevertheless, fwih lisp is exactly ideal for this sort of tokenize-and-replace job. cuz ai and everything right ?
12:55 mircea_popescu (something very similar was the original impetuus for mp asking ben_vulpes for candi [where is she btw ?] only to then discover after a whole day of basic-training-with-admirals that in fact the memory footprint for what i had in mind was ~infinite)
12:56 asciilifeform meanwhile, in re: output of archaeology dig re: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05#1831796, and in particular http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-04#1732905 : turns out, the orig theoretical model was a 1989 su item, kostylev & astanin's 'основы сверхширокополосных радиолокационных измерений' . then in early 2000s anglo academitards picked it up, and in 2009 subj 'died' after usg dictate 'i
12:56 a111 Logged on 2018-07-05 16:40 mircea_popescu: current gear can't deal with pulse piracy
12:56 a111 Logged on 2017-11-04 15:09 asciilifeform: oh upstack re radios, the 'why not use aperidic wave, and entire spectrum' thing was of course not long ago hannobockized and redhatized by usg shills, as 'uwb (ultrawideband)' and 'regulated' and other rubbish.
12:56 asciilifeform mprisoned' uwb to a uselessly short wavelength ( 2-4GHz, with a dip at 3 to 'avoid interfere with gps' ). the academitards naturally bent over backwards , killing whole forest printing paperola re 'optimal fcc-compliant gaussian pulse generation', some konsoomer crud was sold with 'uwb' to transmit vga over 3-4 metres in a room, and that was that.
12:57 asciilifeform the funny, if obvious, bit, is that pulsing worx just fine over whatever band. just needs the correct pulse waveform.
12:57 asciilifeform ( but of course you won't find it in anglo 'literature' . )
13:01 asciilifeform lulzily enuff, for own needs , usg ( they use the limba de lemn 'low probability of interception' ) prefers old-fashioned 'frequency hopping', which requires nanosecond time synchronization ( i.e. for the gps sats to work ).
13:02 asciilifeform as for 'uwb', they were content to issue ban edicts, and then for good measure to bernsteinize all of the remaining 'experts' they could get to.
13:06 asciilifeform basic idea, however buried under mountain of paper rubbish, is deadly simple : instead of periodic wave, you send shaped bursts of 'static' that cover entire $band ( ideally, below noise floor ); on other side, receiver has a correspondingly-shaped filter. pulse position encoding + luby etc. for receive.
13:07 asciilifeform interestingly, both tx and rx end is considerably simpler, physically, than conventional periodic radio -- you dun need oscillators, tuners, at all. aside from pulse shaper, whole thing fits in fpga.
13:13 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837141 << they're very sensitive to some classes of pollutants. unlikely the sort to be encountered in wash dc, there's no skyscrapewrs there, there's ~no industrial processes going and so on.
13:13 a111 Logged on 2018-07-22 16:01 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837129 << i suspect that butterfly is not quite perfect 'clean air gauge' : i've seen monarchs fluttering in the dourest cement jungles of usgistan.
13:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha, auto exhaust apparently aint it.
13:14 mircea_popescu not these days no mo.
13:14 mircea_popescu ye olde diesel truck cloud of burnt oil, very much.
13:14 asciilifeform funnily enuff plenty of old-fashioned burnt oil exhaust in usa -- from grass-cutting crapola
13:15 asciilifeform ( by some accounts, good % of the 'smellable' pollution )
13:15 mircea_popescu very likely.
13:15 mircea_popescu "leafblower" etc
13:15 asciilifeform they dun get 'emissions laws' Because Reasons (tm)
13:17 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837161 << possibly in the folder of "secret nobus of the future". which yes is a thing
13:17 a111 Logged on 2018-07-22 17:02 asciilifeform: as for 'uwb', they were content to issue ban edicts, and then for good measure to bernsteinize all of the remaining 'experts' they could get to.
13:17 asciilifeform oohyea
13:17 asciilifeform wunderwaffen directorate.
13:17 mircea_popescu "managed science".
13:19 asciilifeform lulzy how 'seekrit wunderwaffen' academiban leaves black hole a mile wide that can be seen with naked eye in broad daylight.
13:19 mircea_popescu "can be seen". by whom ?
13:20 asciilifeform by folx willing to open their third eye!111
13:20 mircea_popescu you're not supposed to exist, you know.
13:20 asciilifeform so i gather.
13:21 asciilifeform y'know, sorta like su physics folx were somehow expected not to notice in 1940 that 'phree world' academia stopped mentioning uranium.
13:26 mircea_popescu the color of uranium delicious cake is yellow.
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14:15 BingoBoingo Aite, the apartment now has a plant
14:24 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: thanks for teh ping
14:24 mircea_popescu thanks for the bot! lol
14:27 ben_vulpes lobbes: that the outbox table has entries in it suggests that logbot-start-pg-thread was never called
14:41 lobbes ben_vulpes: Ah okay, thank you. Perhaps my postgres installation is borked w/ regards to threading then
14:53 lobbes problem is I can't even figure out -where- the thing is failing. Just.. silently doesn't work. I got to figure out how logging works with sbcl REPL I guess
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15:21 asciilifeform oh almost forgot, for thread-completeness : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837154 << >> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/astanin_kostylev.djvu << for the serious aficionado.
15:21 a111 Logged on 2018-07-22 16:56 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in re: output of archaeology dig re: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05#1831796, and in particular http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-04#1732905 : turns out, the orig theoretical model was a 1989 su item, kostylev & astanin's 'основы сверхширокополосных радиолокационных измерений' . then in early 2000s anglo academitards picked it up, and in 2009 subj 'died' after usg dictate 'i
15:22 asciilifeform ( and no there is no eng version published. anglos dun like to translate, they like to 'rediscover', lol )
15:25 asciilifeform ^ vehehehery tasty 'yellow cake', for the literate.
15:26 asciilifeform lobbes: how logging works with sbcl REPL << sorta what 'slime' is for
15:40 lobbes yeah, looking like I'm gonna need to bite the bullet and learn some emacs already
15:53 phf asciilifeform: your sig for aggressive pushgetblocks is binary
15:53 lobbesbot phf: Sent 2 days, 0 hours, and 1 minute ago: <asciilifeform> plox to update stable trb tree in http://btcbase.org/patches from mod6's
15:58 phf ^ updated
16:00 mod6 <+phf> asciilifeform: your sig for aggressive pushgetblocks is binary << confirmed. i didn't even notice o.O
16:03 asciilifeform phf: oh hm
16:03 asciilifeform iirc these can be fixed via mechanical conversion, without re-sign
16:03 asciilifeform lessee...
16:04 asciilifeform jurov: would it be simple matter to patch turdatron to reject these ?
16:06 mod6 fwiw, that one is the only one not ascii: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZGV8I/?raw=true
16:08 asciilifeform ok, ftr :
16:08 asciilifeform cat asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig.sad | gpg --enarmor | sed 's|ARMORED FILE|SIGNATURE|' > asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig
16:08 asciilifeform ^ produces asciified and valid sig , from sad sig.
16:08 phf asciilifeform: while you're at it, ffa_ch4_ffacalc is also binary
16:08 asciilifeform apologies to all who broke teeth on this.
16:09 asciilifeform phf: ty, i'ma fix
16:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform just fucking resign, what, you're gonna bold an extra steam valve mechanism on everyone's process now ?
16:09 mircea_popescu wtf is wrong with you. some things aren't worth fixing.
16:09 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if it re-sign, this creates ~more~ work for people, nao they have to verify that it is sig for same thing.
16:10 mircea_popescu sane people just ignored your previous patches ; rest should get sane.
16:10 asciilifeform though to be fair i'ma have to regrind all of these when we switch to modernized v.
16:10 mircea_popescu so no. if you sign it properly for the first time, it is signed properly for the first time.
16:11 ben_vulpes lobbes: you have the thing running in a repl, right?
16:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: observe, phf is the only one with a trooly , properly strict vtron, rejects non-uuencoded sigs.
16:12 asciilifeform hence why i only ever get this report from him.
16:12 ben_vulpes i don't even want to think about the code, compile, run loop outside of the emacs toiletron
16:12 ben_vulpes there is always "evil mode" if you don't want to spend a month programming your own chords up front trolololol
16:12 asciilifeform ( all of the older vtrons, mine, mod6's , pass the .sig straight to gpg, which doesn't care whether uuencoded )
16:14 mircea_popescu i was about to say, it's about damn time we start taking http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779522 a whole lot more seriously.
16:14 a111 Logged on 2018-02-02 16:23 asciilifeform: the 'postel's law' nonsense, of silently forgiving people who send liquishit at the dusty disused corners of the protocol, enabling there to even ~be~ such a thing as dusty corners in a protocol!, MUST die.
16:14 asciilifeform aha !
16:14 asciilifeform i dun disagree.
16:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform also notice that jurov's thing was very strict for a long time, and you threw a hissy fit every time! nomoar of that, either!
16:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: problem turned out to be in email sending end . he 'fixed' by emplacing a www file uploader thing, which i've used ever since.
16:15 asciilifeform to this day i have not found how to send email ( from either squirrel or heathen emailtron ) that doesn't mutilate line endings.
16:16 mircea_popescu in other probably good news, there's hope there's gonna be a gpr eulora server next week. inconceivably enough the whole thing can apparently be beaten into obedience.
16:16 asciilifeform oh neato
16:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is on ave1's gnat ? or your vintage 4.4
16:17 * diana_coman will party after that
16:17 diana_coman asciilifeform, on ave1's gnat
16:17 asciilifeform pretty neat
16:17 asciilifeform builds c deps & all ?
16:17 mircea_popescu mostly.
16:17 diana_coman asciilifeform, there aren't many deps really (and we would like to have even fewer, working on that); it's zlib, curl, libmysqlclient, cal3d and cs
16:17 diana_coman cs is the ugliest of them all
16:18 asciilifeform i recall, diana_coman posted re subj, 100+MB 3d lib liquishit
16:18 mircea_popescu curl prolly also getting ablated, but a thing at a time.
16:20 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks << ty phf
16:21 * asciilifeform adds 'must uuencode' to own sign process , nomoar of this horror
16:22 mod6 are you going to post your new ascii-armored sig to the ML?
16:23 asciilifeform mod6: it is already at http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks/seal/asciilifeform ; if you'd like it on ml, say, i'll post
16:24 asciilifeform currently i expect the great regrind of errything, is coming soon.
16:24 mod6 weird, i must have grabbed the wrong one from btcbase, was still binary
16:24 * mod6 tries again
16:25 asciilifeform know what, it is
16:25 asciilifeform ok 1s
16:25 mod6 yeah, that's binary
16:26 mircea_popescu meanwhile in sad news of hardware, i had to power down a motherboard that had been going for a long, LONG time. and then... it wouldn't come back up.
16:27 mircea_popescu would ~not even post!~. i dug up through the piles of forgotten disused shit until i found a speaker thingee. it had no beeps to make.
16:27 mod6 :[
16:27 mircea_popescu and yet... the led light was on... the fans spun... but the video dead as dead can be. it wouldn't initialize the numlock light, even!
16:28 mircea_popescu so i figure, who knows, maybe the cmos battery died, right ? it can happen, i suppose. went for the spare, but... no improvement.
16:28 mircea_popescu moreover, god's own voltmeter revealed that the ~spare~ was as dead as a plain quarter ; whereas the item in the mobo originally was quite rhubarby.
16:29 mircea_popescu so i look for busted caps, but strangely enough... there's no busted caps. AT ALL.
16:29 asciilifeform mod6: hm, interestingly, i uploaded with jurov's widget, apparently silent fail
16:29 mircea_popescu "maybe busted invisibly ?" when LO!! it's one of those idiotic amd boards that do not do diag, and if hardware config changed it locks. gotta short the RCTL pins to get it to look in its belly!
16:29 mircea_popescu mobo fixed! yay!
16:30 mod6 mircea_popescu: nice!
16:30 mircea_popescu ikr! was getting pretty despondent.
16:31 mod6 asciilifeform: hmm, alright, for now just wot paste it to me and I'll update the foundation website.
16:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: interesting. tho 1 nitpick -- voltmeter quite useless for distinguishing dead bios battery, erry 3v lithium cell i've ever thrown out, measured to ~3v ( just drops to 0 if you put a load on it )
16:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform "god's own voltmeter", here, denotes the glossa aka tongue.
16:31 asciilifeform mod6: it seems to reject my clearsigned readme ( which verifies locally, i've nfi )
16:32 diana_coman logs.minigame.biz/2018-07-21.log.html#t18:54:49 -> for future reference: this required cflags set because it turned out that configure failed to look in the correct place for the .h file; gentoo's own gcc used "--with-system-zlib" and got away with it; ave1's gcc did not
16:32 mod6 yeah, happens to me quite a bit too.
16:33 asciilifeform mod6: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/aggressive.tar.gz << and if anybody wants to tell me what i'm doing wrong.
16:33 asciilifeform ^ all 3 files.
16:33 mod6 Thanks, Sir.
16:33 * mod6 gets
16:33 diana_coman ugh, wrong link, should be: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-16#1834909
16:33 a111 Logged on 2018-07-16 15:23 diana_coman: basically I have zlib installed and I even checked: it IS in /lib but ./configure doesn't consider it fine
16:33 asciilifeform jurov's thing gets me a 'Signature verification on clearsigned text failed, discarding. Review the message in your sent mail folder for wordwrap or similar mutilations of clearsigned text' despite the fact that i used the www front end ( therealbitcoin.org/mailman/post/btc-dev ) and attached all 3 as attachment
16:34 mod6 that tarball sha512 is: 7e83baadb930b02ec6699d757444ad4b1ebeba4c6d435f87fd3c2c49d4b24aa5fdc00c59eaab0512013cdd904aed22acd0bc5122aa20b1074cbf38a2c64ccd0e
16:34 mod6 Can you confirm?
16:34 asciilifeform confirmed
16:35 asciilifeform ^ if anyone gets eggog on verification of either sig in this file (readme's or patch's) plox to lemme know
16:35 mod6 not that it matters, but the sig file is misnamed. i can just change the sigfile name.
16:35 mircea_popescu it does matter.
16:36 asciilifeform it matters , in particular in asciilifeform's vtron
16:36 asciilifeform ( not covered under sig tho )
16:36 mircea_popescu meanwhile in a honest morning's work, https://78.media.tumblr.com/ab715c5a1922c87850848fa86630fe17/tumblr_mwjcrqoL9b1qaoeoqo2_500.gif
16:36 mod6 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2IshZ/?raw=true
16:37 asciilifeform mod6: but does the readme's sig verify on your box
16:37 asciilifeform i dun see this in your paste
16:37 asciilifeform currently i'm curious re why jurov's eater barfed
16:37 mod6 asciilifeform: yep: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kR2in/?raw=true
16:38 asciilifeform aite.
16:38 asciilifeform remains puzzler then.
16:39 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/07/israel-evacuating-members-of-syrian-opposition-group-white-helmets-to-jordan-and-beyond/ << Qntra - Israel Evacuating Members Of "Syrian" Opposition Group "White Helmets" To Jordan And Beyond!
16:40 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837260 << also relatedly, i've had busted caps where the damage was only visible through magnifying glass , tiny little hole , magic smoke released. ( luckily not the case for mircea_popescu's box , evidently, but does happen )
16:40 a111 Logged on 2018-07-22 20:29 mircea_popescu: so i look for busted caps, but strangely enough... there's no busted caps. AT ALL.
16:40 mircea_popescu i believe.
16:41 asciilifeform they're built nominally to disgorge their guts by tearing on the cross striation on the top of the cap, but chinese cap makers dun make these very deep
16:41 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1871 << oblig oldlol
16:42 asciilifeform ^ i still have a crate of those caps. if yer an l1 , you can have some for cost of postage.
16:43 asciilifeform ( if label is to be believed, genuine taiyo yuden a+++ )
16:44 asciilifeform pro tip -- when recapping, use, as i did, 2x the rated voltage of old cap, last longer.
16:44 asciilifeform ( horiz footprint is typically same )
16:46 asciilifeform the tantalum filter cap on FUCKGOATS -- similarly 'margined'.
16:50 mod6 Alright all, the TRB vtree was updated with asciilifeform's ascii-armored pgp sig.
16:51 asciilifeform phf: plox to replace the sad bin sig on btcbase with this one .
16:59 asciilifeform meanwhile, in re earlier lulzthread , 'Freescale and Motorola decided to pull out of the UWB forum in 2006 ... If one searches for XS110 chipset today then the answer at Freescale website (https://www.nxp.com) is that “Page Not Found”'
17:00 asciilifeform 'European PULSERS project was terminated without any marketable result in 2009'
17:00 asciilifeform etc
17:00 deedbot http://danielpbarron.com/2018/a-true-church-at-porcfest-in-review/ << Daniel P. Barron - A True Church at PorcFest, in Review
17:07 asciilifeform danielpbarron: 'He’s heard of the Republic, hasn’t gotten around to registering a key yet. Even brought his gentoo laptop to my site this year to pick my brain. I complimented him on having GCC < 5. Thing even had Stanislav’s crapolade mask file! ' << ha.
17:07 asciilifeform wouldn't surprise me if it is being passed around, contextless, in heathendom, as 'make a gentoo sans systemd' pill.
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18:09 phf asciilifeform: will do, my thing detects, but it still lets it through issuing a warning
18:09 asciilifeform phf: new one oughta produce no warnings
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19:32 asciilifeform in other noose, timecube lives?! >> https://tienzengong.wordpress.com
19:32 asciilifeform ( bonus : found this wtf via... google ad )
~ 30 minutes ~
20:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform apparently was around 3+years ago0 also.
20:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: physics crackpots often have heroic persistence. and long life. evidently good for health...
20:06 mircea_popescu evidently.
20:08 mircea_popescu "That was also my first interaction with a woman named Rachel, and we’ll get back to her later! Lot’s to cover here." bwahahaha i'm all ears
20:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: one of the things that never ceases to fascinate me re physics crackpots, is how rarely they grasp the sheer 'unreasonable effectiveness' of making ~political~ , rather than simply technical, cuts . ( observe, i dun need to read , much less attempt to individually refute, errything the strings people shit out -- for the same reason i dun need to read gavin's code . )
20:20 asciilifeform !#s swanson debates
20:20 a111 3 results for "swanson debates", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=swanson%20debates
20:20 asciilifeform ^ see also
20:22 asciilifeform (for expert entomologists only!) https://archive.fo/Nnvbl << choice turd, by associate of the infamous adelberger, re weber ( who was anathemized and 'unhappened' ) , even includes hair-raising passage re how 'generous and accepting the physics community was , to keep publishing him'
20:23 asciilifeform 'Eric Adelberger, one if the leaders of the group, “found Weber’s experiment to be completely unconvincing and realized that with a modest effort we could test his claim” (private communication).'
20:23 asciilifeform ( does this remind you of anything... )
20:25 asciilifeform !#s eotvos
20:26 a111 30 results for "eotvos", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=eotvos
20:26 asciilifeform ^ see also.
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20:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform very true. kinda why we;re even here, "helpless as blind kittens" very much a thing in "technical" cucks.
20:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: time passes, the coat of chrome , stolen from the respectables of the past, on the cuckitude, wears thinner , erry time i read something by these people, amazed at sheer wtf
20:45 asciilifeform ( speaking here of the drowning-water suppliers , i.e. the adelbergers, rather than the blind kittens )
20:46 asciilifeform how did it go, 'the master won't give you the tools with which to demolish his house', etc
20:52 mircea_popescu was re <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: one of the things that never ceases to fascinate me re physics crackpots, is how rarely they grasp the sheer 'unreasonable effectiveness' of making ~political~ , rather than simply technical, cuts
20:52 asciilifeform aa
20:55 mircea_popescu anyway, as to the substantive matter, it's pretty well established by now that gravity, if indeed mediated, is not mediated by something that readily assumes a wave form.
20:56 mircea_popescu light, by comparison, is indeed mediated, and by something that somewhat readily does assume wave form (take the overlapping-mosquito-nets-over-sun experiment to trivially see this). \
20:57 mircea_popescu the one remaining fundamental (magnetism) is mediated by something so fucking ready to take wave frorm it was in fact discussed as a wave from the get go, and supported the early understanding of the item that later turned out to be a fundamental manifestation of interaction mediators (teh wave).
20:57 mircea_popescu hence all the iron filings "experiments".
21:01 mircea_popescu http://archive.is/VPdlH#selection-183.0-183.292 << pretty lulzy earlier stuff from the same tienzengong thing. "how ?!" well how the fuck fucking how, doh. all of pantsuit's in there, neh.
21:02 mircea_popescu "Second, now theory develops into a FAMILY theories. When one member of the family is killed, the survival members will quickly mutate to accommodate the killing data, such as M-string theory, SUSY, multiverse and the inflation scenarios. That is, the Popperianism is now totally USELESS."
21:03 mircea_popescu this is not even a weak observation.
21:05 mircea_popescu http://www.chineselanguageforums.com/small-story/tienzen-s-family-t151.html << for the curious. fellow is the adult in 1st pic.
21:05 asciilifeform lulzily enuff, found $subj during dig for whether anybody ever built a uwb antenna for hf ( 0-30MHz ). ( spoiler : nobody, publicly, as It Would Be Wrong (tm)(r) per hitler decree )
21:06 mircea_popescu ah, all the lulzy polarization arrays they've been doing ?
21:07 mircea_popescu you know it's like, 5th installment iirc just got brought up a few years ago
21:07 asciilifeform usg phased array radar ? they're uwb, yes, but for >10GHz
21:08 mircea_popescu i mean, the "gravity wave" folk keep doing these large arrays to "observe" whatever.
21:08 asciilifeform afaik the only inca empire that built one for hf was su, and it fell victim to chernobyl incident ( ruin is still there )
21:08 asciilifeform aa
21:09 mircea_popescu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BICEP_and_Keck_Array << here we go
21:10 mircea_popescu "BICEP3 consists of a single telescope with the same 2560 detectors (observing at 95 GHz) as the five-telescope Keck array, but a 68 cm aperture [...] began collecting data on 15 May 2016."
21:10 asciilifeform not clear to me how these are meant to work on earth surface -- ionosphere randomly repolarizes
21:11 asciilifeform ( i suppose they work a+++ for the intended purpose -- printolade vacuum , dissertation mint )
21:11 mircea_popescu "south pole". it's magical in that they can "eliminate that by models"
21:12 asciilifeform ahahahaha
21:12 mircea_popescu exactly as you say : great way to feed a fambly.
21:12 mircea_popescu hey, it works well for the "earth sciences" fucks.
21:12 asciilifeform ( the ionosphere thing, btw, isn't exactly nsa seekrit, even the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825757 folx know it )
21:12 a111 Logged on 2018-06-15 16:47 asciilifeform surveyed what remains of shortwave , it's mostly empty, and what remains is largely these derps, 'texas can you hear me' 'this is utah, we can hear you' etc etc
21:14 asciilifeform iirc subj is even touched in the ceremonial 'exam' usg makes'em take to buy 'license' (to spew rubbish into designated leprosoriae bands )
21:15 mircea_popescu il patende di botana!
21:15 mircea_popescu meh
21:15 mircea_popescu il patente di botana!
21:15 asciilifeform wassat
21:16 asciilifeform lemme guess, mussolinic version of subj ?
21:16 mircea_popescu eh, line from obscure movie ; unfaithful wive explains "how it happened", "i was going to get my license [meaning, driving license]" and husband asks "the whore patent ?"
21:16 asciilifeform ha
21:17 mircea_popescu sicilian dialect. putana, whore
21:17 * asciilifeform guessed
21:18 asciilifeform tho there's a lulzy false cognate in modern ru, ботан ( orig short 'botanist' ) but in effect learned fool, 'dweeb'
21:19 mircea_popescu in ro "botanista" (always a girl) denotes the cheap whore that sucks you off in the bushes. (yes, whoredom is stratified, doh.)
21:19 mircea_popescu it's amusingly cognatish, because russian botan, and also "bot" (muzzle) directly referencing the activity, and then of course, botanics.
21:19 mircea_popescu it's not even fucking clear which pathway it took.
21:19 asciilifeform of course stratified. just as errybody has 'medic', 'nurse', 'surgeon', 'pharmacist', for various aspects of medical trade, wai not whores
21:20 mircea_popescu just about, actually.
21:21 asciilifeform rounding off the uwb thread, for the l0gz : the antennae are the only nontrivial part. given as you do not actually need the sub-nanosecond pulses that are the subj of the 9000 dissertations littering the net, if you dun intend to kowtow to the 'fcc uwb regulatory' crapola.
21:22 mircea_popescu probably very thin silver is the way to go ?
21:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: tricky bit is shape, rather than material ( and for quarter-wave , you need a 2-3 metre on the wide end thing )
21:23 mircea_popescu hm
21:24 asciilifeform https://sc01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1owCvKpXXXXXmXVXXq6xXFXXX1/Antrad-10-directional-UWB-antenna-6-8.jpg << 6GHz item, pocket-sized. not so simple to scale up, 2x2metre pcb is not off the shelf item )
21:24 asciilifeform the useful lit, turns out, is 1910s stuff, from age of 'spark gap'.
21:26 mircea_popescu heh
21:26 asciilifeform 1 interesting aspect is that the 'correctness' of the antenna dun matter nearly so much as it does in conventional 'periodic' radio -- for so long as the 2 ends of the rx-tx have similar ones
21:26 asciilifeform could almost say it is 'cipher key', of sorts
21:28 mircea_popescu prolly best move then is to identify corresponding standard item.
21:28 mircea_popescu "transmission rod", w/e.
21:28 asciilifeform quite interesting, imho, problem , in that virtually errything written since 1910s is ~entirely inapplicable ( as it concerns tuned/narrowband systems )
21:29 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that's the lulzy part, the 'standard items' pretty much guaranteed not to work, they're built to be used in resonant (single-freq, or at least quite narrow band) system
21:29 mircea_popescu nono. i mean, standard item used in some other application that works for this one.
21:30 asciilifeform aaa
21:30 asciilifeform yes
21:30 mircea_popescu "so and so rebar"
21:30 mircea_popescu "so and so copper fitting"
21:31 asciilifeform tho conceivably a correct triangle of ordinary hf antenna wire, worx .
21:32 asciilifeform ( the 1910s item, was approx kite-shaped )
21:33 asciilifeform generally you dun need anyffing nearly as solid as rebar, unless yer pumping 10s of kW into the thing
21:33 mircea_popescu cheap and easily disguised.
21:34 asciilifeform thin wires ditto
21:34 mircea_popescu true.
21:34 asciilifeform ( plenty of hf antennae in orcistans masquerade as clotheslines )
21:41 asciilifeform lulzily, found usg's : https://archive.fo/JRjdJ << they ripped their scheme directly from the planar variant in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837192
21:41 a111 Logged on 2018-07-22 19:21 asciilifeform: oh almost forgot, for thread-completeness : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837154 << >> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/astanin_kostylev.djvu << for the serious aficionado.
21:41 mircea_popescu the word is "rediscovered".
21:42 asciilifeform the height of the plastic insulators suggests that they're throwing a coupla kV across it ( for 5-10kW of output )
21:42 asciilifeform hilarious little bit of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835417
21:42 a111 Logged on 2018-07-17 02:42 asciilifeform: 'they cloink a coupla with the sledgehammer so as to break down the find into shards the size they can fit in a pocket, after which they stick it on their oxcart'
21:43 asciilifeform nobody bothered to sit down and try and derive, etc, they evidently went 'let's crib from ancient su lore', without skipping a beat
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