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06:35 phf this is summer u.s. vacation prices, personally i'm not traveling until end of august, when $1900 flights to anywhere suddenly(!!1) drop to $900
06:40 phf new york flights are the baseline to go by, they tend to be the cheapest, and have direct flights by foreign airlines to places i usually go to, so for example istanbul is $1,2k right now, drops to $900 in august, in early september it's the regular price of $700 or so
06:40 phf same deal with, e.g. moscow. $600-500 roundtrips all year spike to $1,5k in summer
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06:56 Mocky phf, good info, thanks. looks like cheapest flight in august is bouncing around $1250 to $1350, haven't seen the $1150 sighting again. If I push it out past labor day looks like $950
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09:43 asciilifeform !Q later tell trinque possible bug in wot display ( https://archive.is/3Z7ZW , scroll to bottom )
09:43 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
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10:45 asciilifeform !!up PeterL
10:45 deedbot PeterL voiced for 30 minutes.
10:48 asciilifeform PeterL: ...?
10:59 PeterL ^ about WOT display: it wouldn't be a bug if shinohai went through and re-rated everybody in his wot with no comment, look at the time stamps
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10:59 asciilifeform lessee what he says.
10:59 asciilifeform ( i am at a loss re why anybody would do this, but whoknows )
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11:01 PeterL could be something related to "-2 lobbes 2018-06-01 01:06:43 old woman. See also: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Alobbes+rot+in+heathendom" ?
11:02 asciilifeform PeterL: if he actually issued the uncommented ratings , then psychiatric q for shinohai . if not -- bugological q for trinque . is all i got.
11:03 asciilifeform fwiw i never grasped why deedbot permits !!rate out of chan. but possibly trinque & mircea_popescu explained this at some point, i simply could not find in l0gz.
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11:05 PeterL on that page Trinque has a rating with no comment, so clearly it is acceptable to leave the comment out
11:05 asciilifeform right
11:06 PeterL but you are right, if ratings were required to be in chan then anybody could rebuild the deedbot WoT from the channel logs. or at least have the verifications in chan.
11:07 asciilifeform it is already too late for 'everybody can rebuild from logs', naturally. but if this had been the design, could answer 'does have bug or not' mechanically.
11:07 asciilifeform !Q later tell shinohai http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836359 << ?? plox to comment.
11:07 a111 Logged on 2018-07-19 14:59 PeterL: ^ about WOT display: it wouldn't be a bug if shinohai went through and re-rated everybody in his wot with no comment, look at the time stamps
11:07 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
11:11 PeterL while I have the mic: I did end up fixing the problem http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830121 , see http://petermlambert.blogspot.com/2018/07/vdiffshadefineswapvpatch.html
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11:11 a111 Logged on 2018-06-27 15:16 PeterL: hi, I was just trying to build the vtools, and I ran into this problem: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/AuLgQ/?raw=true
11:11 mircea_popescu Mocky better go out of crazy season anyway, i know of no place that benefits from heavy tourist load.
11:11 mircea_popescu some people are very much into the 16yos they tow about ; but in general speaking fuckers should just be shot.
11:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: iirc tourist season in BingoBoingostan is dec-feb
11:12 PeterL so travel from US to BBstan is advised sep-nov or mar-may
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11:13 asciilifeform PeterL: 2nd week of april -- beach was 27C and... entirely empty. go figure.
11:14 mircea_popescu how it goes.
11:18 Mocky mircea_popescu: ok
11:21 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836361 << i dunno that a comment's that important. basically it's the "string for allcomers" portion of wot mechanics.
11:21 a111 Logged on 2018-07-19 14:59 asciilifeform: ( i am at a loss re why anybody would do this, but whoknows )
11:22 asciilifeform i have no position on this in either direction. q was re 'bug or not' strictly.
11:22 mircea_popescu certainly no bug.
11:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: specifically, if he issued '!!rate $user' without comment, no bug, if it somehow vanished on own power -- bug
11:23 mircea_popescu we've just been supplying the string because tradition, or dunno. i suppose much like venetian merchants dressed the house pets. dun mean naked woman about the house is a bug (even though the 80s retard, before i/we came about and fucked their "trtaditions" right in the ass, would have suspected such_
11:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ah ah. if vanished on own power let him complain.
11:23 asciilifeform aha. is all.
11:25 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836364 << i'm not even sure by now. honestly i don't seem to ever want to use it, myself, but i also see no problem in it per se. ratings are personal after all, and not all persons of the republic are necessarily just as public.
11:25 a111 Logged on 2018-07-19 15:03 asciilifeform: fwiw i never grasped why deedbot permits !!rate out of chan. but possibly trinque & mircea_popescu explained this at some point, i simply could not find in l0gz.
11:25 mod6 After looking at PeterL's blogpost, was curious if there had been any consideration into if a manifest file should grow up or down (i.e. newest change first, or newest change last in the file). This is purely a cosmetic thing, I suppose it would be up to the author too. Probably why trinque didn't touch on this in the post either http://trinque.org/2018/06/02/v-manifest-specification/
11:25 mircea_popescu mod6 i always assumed down.
11:26 mircea_popescu ie, the way >> adds.
11:26 * asciilifeform currently writing a manifest, goes 'down'
11:26 mircea_popescu seems to me to be a (tacit) posix standard.
11:26 mod6 Ah, alright. Just thought I'd bring it up as most "CHANGELOG"s that you see out there grow upwards.
11:26 mircea_popescu which ?!
11:27 mod6 Hah, I dunno, maybe I'm making that up.
11:27 mircea_popescu lol if you run across any say
11:27 mod6 ok, will do. if i even do, they're probably from projects that are not TMSR~ anyway. so who cares.
11:27 mod6 thanks for the 0.00000002
11:28 mircea_popescu of course, i can't load blogspot "blogs" now that http://trilema.com/2018/how-to-remove-usgalphabet-usually-called-google-by-the-jews-pantsuit-from-your-web-experience/#selection-287.67-291.1
11:29 mircea_popescu briefly thought about doing something about it... but then, i think i'd rather just wait for PeterL to move or w/e.
11:30 asciilifeform https://archive.is/Rjfvb << seems to work
11:30 mircea_popescu aite.
11:31 asciilifeform !Q later tell PeterL get the hell off heathen kolhoz 'blogspot' already
11:31 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
11:31 mircea_popescu "This site uses cookies from Google to deliver its services and to analyze traffic. Your IP address and user-agent are shared with Google along with performance and security metrics to ensure quality of service, generate usage statistics, and to detect and address abuse."
11:31 mircea_popescu cute.
11:32 mircea_popescu nice going on digging up the busybox header, huh.
11:37 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836377 << I have not yet experienced August through November, but I see no reason to rule out December through February. That was best weather.
11:37 a111 Logged on 2018-07-19 15:12 PeterL: so travel from US to BBstan is advised sep-nov or mar-may
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12:18 BingoBoingo Just avoid Puntu del Este if you aren't pete_dushenski
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12:20 Mocky gringo money pit?
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12:43 BingoBoingo Latino money pit
12:44 BingoBoingo Year round just about everything there costs 50% more
12:44 BingoBoingo population is ~30,000 most of the year and 300,000 December through February
12:44 BingoBoingo Also one of their beaches is very rich in jellyfish
12:45 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: delaware also infested with same, dun stop anybody from packing beach like rush hour train
12:46 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: or are your jellyfish australian-style 'kill in 5min' variety
12:46 asciilifeform ( the ones here, moar like bee sting than anyffing )
12:51 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836413 << lulzy fella, e.g. most recently 'Marketing/branding is something that, unfortunately, the folks in ye olde #trilema utterly fail to comprehend, if quite intentionally so, but the result is the same : they collectively couldn’t market, brand, or sell their way out of a paper bag and childishly mock any attempts to improve on that score. Such is the bed they’ve made for themselves.' ( ht
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12:51 a111 Logged on 2018-07-19 16:18 BingoBoingo: Just avoid Puntu del Este if you aren't pete_dushenski
12:51 asciilifeform tps://archive.is/0iPzV ) didjaknow.
12:53 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: as far as I can tell the bee sting variety, but I have seen a couple people with sizeable welts returning to the hostel from there after day trips
12:54 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: here in mosquito hell, all i gotta do is to walk three metres out of front door to rubbish pin, and 5-6 welts
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12:55 BingoBoingo I am unsure if I have been mosquito bit here. I don't think they like the bus fumes
12:56 BingoBoingo But up in the North around Artigas department they advertise Dengue
12:56 BingoBoingo And occasionally yellow fever crosses the border in the North as well
13:00 asciilifeform !Q later tell esthlos your www is down ?
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14:04 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah but those are mostly hoping to social mobilitize. at least going to inca capital for it makes some sens.e
14:05 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836422 << he has exactly zero room to pretend to any kind of commercial knowledge, seeing how http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651459 ; if he was worth two shits in the supposed field of his choice, we'd have known this as a matter of fact in 2017.
14:05 a111 Logged on 2018-07-19 16:51 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836413 << lulzy fella, e.g. most recently 'Marketing/branding is something that, unfortunately, the folks in ye olde #trilema utterly fail to comprehend, if quite intentionally so, but the result is the same : they collectively couldn’t market, brand, or sell their way out of a paper bag and childishly mock any attempts to improve on that score. Such is the bed they’ve made for themselves.' ( ht
14:05 a111 Logged on 2017-05-03 20:04 mircea_popescu: dude, just call. nevermind the "questions" and rest of the crap. spend 1/10 of the time you frittered away already "on" this to call, write up your report, "i, pete d, aspiring to one day lordship, spent 8 hours today cold calling. i managed a total of 76 calls, which would get me fired from the average call center but hey, i'm new. these 76 calls went to so and so, here's the script, here's why i ammended it and when, here's
14:05 mircea_popescu yes, teh republic is un poco carente in the commercial lines ; nevertheless the epsilon here far exceeds the zero there.
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14:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: iirc d00d was loaded -- but in the 'inherit 10mil to make 1mil' sense strictly
14:11 asciilifeform i dun even recall him having a 'field of choice', iirc he lives by renting out some inherited hovels
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14:30 mircea_popescu and also the "oh but mp, that's not the EXACT specific narrowly defined line" isn't permissible either. a "doctor" who can't equalize a molar transform is no fuckinfg doctor, i don't care how he thinks chemistry "is not properly part of doctorhood"
14:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no but that's the fashionable thing, ever since "our brave boys in uniform" came back, erryone's permitted to go about pretending as if they have some kind of business.
14:32 asciilifeform i suspect moar http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-09#1092789 than 'doctor'
14:32 a111 Logged on 2015-04-09 02:42 trinque: http://gawker.com/5861135/cement-and-glue-butt-injection-doctor-has-unbelievable-curves << sorry for gawker, pic worth it
14:33 mircea_popescu basically http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651446 ; and by the perennial butthurt whenever that shoe drops, it's evident enough nobody in these morons' lives EVER fucking sat them down and told them plainly what a failure fucking is and how they can become one.
14:33 a111 Logged on 2017-05-03 19:55 mircea_popescu: or is it going to be the case that you'll go through the motions of pretending interest in whatevert topic du jour and i'm not going to say anything because i';m lazy ? what's the thinking ?
14:33 mircea_popescu category went out of language or something.
14:35 mircea_popescu much in the vein of giancarlo giannini calls mariangela melato "cretina!" and the imbecile translator regales his eager public with "you stupid bitch!". because totally, "cretin!" is not a thing in english.
14:36 mircea_popescu nevertheless, romanian "ratarea", french "c'est rate ( http://trilema.com/2015/laile-ou-la-cuisse/#selection-87.1-89.14 )". it's a fucking category. to fail, not "at something", but as a biological attempt.
14:37 mircea_popescu the process through one becomes a failure.
14:39 asciilifeform i suspect 'bio failure' is pretty abstract concept to fella who wakes up and counts the porches etc
14:40 mircea_popescu i can't imagine why.
14:40 asciilifeform dunno, cuz printing press is kind to him ?
14:40 mircea_popescu so ?
14:40 mircea_popescu broken wing bird's wing's broken in all winds.
14:40 asciilifeform so the 'poor->stupid' circuit dun engage
14:42 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836372 << fyi, i appreciate the hackery, but the relevant code is already in the vtools http://btcbase.org/patches/vtools_vdiff_sha/tree/vtools/src/system.h#L145 as I mentioned in logs http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830179 the problem is that byteswapping is non-standard. each libc implements its own. more importantly __bswap64 that PeterL is using is an internal inline function, that exists in
14:42 a111 Logged on 2018-07-19 15:11 PeterL: while I have the mic: I did end up fixing the problem http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830121 , see http://petermlambert.blogspot.com/2018/07/vdiffshadefineswapvpatch.html
14:42 a111 Logged on 2018-06-27 18:03 phf: PeterL: the approach that we've been taking with legacy C code is pulling out autotools, and replacing with a single #ifdef/.. configuration header. outside of linux/bsd code is probably not going to work, and the approach is to look at the configuration header file (http://btcbase.org/patches/vdiff_sha_static/tree/vtools/src/system.h#L145 in case of vtools) and patch it for your system
14:42 phf some libc's (specifically in glibc, musl, there's also a custom one in busybox. presumably cygwin/mingw comes with a glibc derivative), but that shouldn't be used directly. PeterL's patch is not needed on linux/freebsd/apple.
14:43 mircea_popescu it was pretty amusing!
14:43 asciilifeform phf: i in particular won't sign winblowz patches out of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830228 principle. but if d00d wants to -- he can, his own v branch, i have nfi why he wants to , but it'll sit there, for archaeologists.
14:43 a111 Logged on 2018-06-27 21:33 asciilifeform: but dollars to doughnuts if you dun have e.g. pdp11, you won't bother reading its ifdef blocks; and supposing you did read'em, your grasp of what takes place inside won't be worth much if you don't regularly inhabit that platform
14:44 mircea_popescu technically cygwin is linux emulator for windows.
14:44 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it is, and worx surprisingly well, asciilifeform used it extensively many yrs ago
14:44 asciilifeform even got x running, and entirely unmodified emacs, browsers, etc
14:45 phf yeah, if that ifdef wasn't there, the code would've just worked out of the box
14:45 mircea_popescu so technically cygwin patches not winblowz patches
14:45 asciilifeform right, but cygwin has no use outside of winblowz.
14:45 mircea_popescu be that as it may.
14:45 asciilifeform ( tho theoretically, crapple has departed far enuff from posix that it perhaps is ripe for a cygwin-like item . but i dun much care for rescuing crapple drowners, either )
14:46 mircea_popescu alf to pet "your snatch has no use outside of my house" pet retorts "usure ?"
14:46 phf well, crapple user space is a kind of cygwin, but from *bsd
14:46 asciilifeform phf: formerly.
14:46 mircea_popescu they mostly dropped bsd afaik
14:47 asciilifeform today, even e.g. 1990s-vintage irix box, is moar posixy.
14:48 asciilifeform afaik the only republical item that builds unmodified on current crapple is http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1835881 , and strictly from eschewing pretty much any nontrivial posixism
14:48 a111 Logged on 2018-07-18 13:42 asciilifeform: phf: say what you will re ada standard, but e.g. ffa is ( afaik! ) a nontrivial and at same time ada2012-compliant proggy.
14:48 asciilifeform *republican
14:49 asciilifeform x11, for instance, no longer comes with crappletrons, and takes substantial gymnastics to install.
14:50 phf i don't know where you're getting this info.
14:51 asciilifeform phf: from having one in the next room, lol
14:52 asciilifeform ( per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1835841 )
14:52 a111 Logged on 2018-07-18 12:47 asciilifeform: phf: in commercial work i use things that would turn the strongest stomach. now, as always, speaking of civilized work.
14:53 phf well, it's fud.
14:53 asciilifeform phf: it's a fact, it dun come with x no moar
14:53 asciilifeform phf: visit a shop, see for yourself.
14:53 phf "substantial gymnastics"?
14:54 asciilifeform yes.
14:54 asciilifeform inb4 'use the app store' lol.
14:54 phf ...
14:54 asciilifeform say i dun wannt 'use app store'.
14:55 asciilifeform and x aside, do we need to do the gdb thread again ?
14:55 asciilifeform or log suffices
14:55 phf https://dl.bintray.com/xquartz/downloads/XQuartz-2.7.11.dmg
14:55 asciilifeform ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-06#1597418 )
14:55 a111 Logged on 2017-01-06 13:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phun phakt, i replicated phuctor on a mac lappy (it happened to be the one in the room with sufficient free disk) and it works -- except that apparently gdb no longer works on latest crapple os
14:55 mircea_popescu phf it's a legitimate pov, seriously now. why should i have to follow the (closed source! very tenuous! and burdensome!) process apple chose ?
14:56 mircea_popescu "installs" can NOT mean "use apple appstore". it must mean something in my hand.
14:56 asciilifeform phf: didja get this to run on recent box ?
14:56 phf asciilifeform: yes.
14:56 asciilifeform phf: neato. will have to archive this.
14:57 asciilifeform i'ma readily admit that phf is better crapple wrangler than asciilifeform .
14:57 asciilifeform ( i have the box mainly to run -- yes -- microshit vm's ... )
14:58 * mircea_popescu is too lazy to burn the dmg, and discover the ten trillion subtle breakages each of which thoroughly suffices to sink the proposed argument.
14:58 asciilifeform lol mircea_popescu has a crappletron somewhere ??
14:58 phf mircea_popescu: dmg opens with a double click on an apple
14:58 mircea_popescu one of the girls has an old ipad.
14:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: these dun run on i-*, they're for the intel macs
14:59 mircea_popescu phf and that thing is a pile of software which compiles with a chain of my choice into a functional x for a target (apple) system of my choice ?
14:59 phf mircea_popescu: there's enough goal posts for wide movement in this question, that neither "yes" nor a "no" would be a correct answer
15:00 mircea_popescu care to bolt them down or not really ?
15:02 phf xquartz builds with an llvm for sure, it built with a gcc recently, it's quite likely that it still builds with gcc, since it's a direct fork of freedesktop version (but then it's not clear what crazy things fd put into X11 proper upstream), you can find a range of vintage that'll build all the way back to 10.4, but i'm not sure if you can build what i linked on e.g 10.4 specifically. the bulk of code there is combination of posix AND
15:02 phf bsd libc, there's some creeping divergences that were introduced by apple in parts that are not covered by either posix or libc
15:03 mircea_popescu let's put it this way : should i double click that on an apple, i'd find a bundle so that a) if i exclude all non-text files i can then b) use at least one specified version of a compiler chain i can build in same manner so as to c) produce object files which then d) run on my system.
15:04 phf mircea_popescu: well, the linked bit is a binary, since the bit that i disputed from asciilifeform is "substantial gymnastics"
15:04 mircea_popescu i read "substantial gymnastics" in the sense of, needed to c) above.
15:05 mircea_popescu ie whole lotta b)-wrangling.
15:08 phf mircea_popescu: the upstream X is already a mess of libraries, substantial gymnastics are required to build it on any system without assistance of something like gentoo's portage. in case of apple things are typically distributed as a binary, which is what i linked above. xquartz.org also has the sources, that are patched versions of original freedesktop code. one could theoretically build that by hand, but typically one would use
15:08 phf macports or homebrew which are portage versions for apple. at least macports can still be used to build xquartz from scratch. i've not personally tried that in a long time, so it's possible that there's serious wrecker situation there.
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15:08 mircea_popescu i expect there is, yes.
15:09 mircea_popescu but, again, there's no room for this "on windows, we use autoupdate", "on mac we distribute binaries", "in india we shit in the street" w/e. hence the girl old ipad comment.
15:10 mircea_popescu for that matter, apple wants to take advantage of tmsr-style release, let them get in l1. but even before that, it's so shocking to me alf would accept a binary from "bintray.com" as some sort of item.
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15:10 phf mircea_popescu: on mac you can use e.g. pkgsrc which is a portable portage from netbsd project, which i have on all my machines. posix things of arbitrary complexity build from it
15:11 mircea_popescu ok, but specifically x is exactly the mess of improbable libraries etc. have you pkgsrc'd it recently anywhere ?
15:12 mircea_popescu (none of this is spurious dicking about, either. we're going to end up needing both some sort of standard of ok-ness on one hand ; and specifically in the case of X it's like, the one looming mysql-esque cuntoo wrecker)
15:13 phf i haven't, i haven't built it in about 2 years, but then i haven't installed it on macs in about two years either
15:14 mircea_popescu and two years ago, how long did it take you to get the wheels to spin ?
15:15 phf i think an insignificant amount of time, ignoring compilation time, but then at the time i knew exactly where to cut, so to speak, and how
15:16 mircea_popescu so something like "no significant gymnastics needed by olympic gymnast" ?
15:17 mircea_popescu for contrast, i recently wasted an entire fucking day with the following bit of gymnastics : http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-07-15.log.html#t20:35:50
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15:17 lobbesbot Logged on 2018-07-15 20:35:50: <mircea_popescu> so the problem consisted of my running through the whole list of http://www.eulorum.org/Ubuntu requisite packages list. libgl1-mesa-dev (which ... isn't even fucking needed, i am now running eulora without it) fucked my video drivers (in a strange halfway manner, prolly fucked some userland wrapper somewhere). reinstalling the nvidia originals fixed it.
15:18 phf correct, though now, dealing with say gentoo i suspect that olympic gymnastics are a requirement to deal with the mess in general.
15:18 mircea_popescu i do not pose as expert gymnast in any sense ; and yes this caliber turd is somewhat common in unixworld altogether. but still, holy hell, fucking gymnastics.
15:20 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836521 << how does it differ from 'accepting' crapple's os, full of binary ???, to begin with. box is a toilet.
15:20 a111 Logged on 2018-07-19 19:10 mircea_popescu: for that matter, apple wants to take advantage of tmsr-style release, let them get in l1. but even before that, it's so shocking to me alf would accept a binary from "bintray.com" as some sort of item.
15:20 asciilifeform it runs virii, all day long.
15:20 mircea_popescu i'll note that everthying the republicans deliver builds like a fucking charm, be it ffa, avetronics or what have you. i've never had a problem of this sort inside the walls.
15:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i guess. it is called a ~damage~ file after all, rite.
15:21 asciilifeform i operate these, it's how i eat.
15:22 asciilifeform it would not occur to asciilifeform to attempt to live civilized life on a crapple.
15:22 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836529 << ftr i haven't in many yrs succeeded in getting 3d gpu running on linux box, so mircea_popescu is ahead of me there
15:22 a111 Logged on 2018-07-19 19:17 mircea_popescu: for contrast, i recently wasted an entire fucking day with the following bit of gymnastics : http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-07-15.log.html#t20:35:50
15:23 mircea_popescu i cheat ; as per alf "is a toilet" magics, i just use nvidia's binaries.
15:23 asciilifeform aaah lol
15:23 phf first time i spent two months in india, swiming and eating and pretty much nothing else, i had to perform some very minor operation for the banking contract i was doing at the time: took me an entire day just to get through a 5 minute process, and i cursed and hated the entire time, because the steps were pointless, unnatural, and clearly designed to inflict pain on the operator. i suspect this is how mp feels when dealing with modern
15:23 phf tech. i'm (and ascii) on the other hand are fully imersed in the pain points, you kind of stop feeling them.
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15:23 asciilifeform iirc i tried even this, some yrs back, got a box that bombs randomly erry hr or so
15:23 mircea_popescu but as you were typing that, i was thinking "We fucking need an expert gfx card wizard to debinary that shit already"
15:24 mircea_popescu phf i also cultivate it deliberately, because i believe it is (in my case, not necessarily for everyone) a most valuable skill.
15:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: iirc we had a thread re this ; the gnarl is roughly similar to xilinx reversing ( they switch chip revisions erry quarter or so, by the time a card is ~acceptably reversed , it is long out of print )
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15:24 mircea_popescu after all, industrialized intolerance is how i made my living, back in the day.
15:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the thing is the death of moore bit them in the ass too. i am very happy with 10year old cards as it is. and even when i buy "new", i buy old ones.
15:25 mircea_popescu ie, the video card problem is mostly solved, large stocks exist, getting some chips pried open would be useful.
15:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: reportedly 10yr vintage cards can be set up without binturd. ( asciilifeform not tried yet. )
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15:25 * phf afk
15:25 mircea_popescu yeh, i do not believe it to be an impossible task.
15:26 asciilifeform iirc the breaking point for me was screen rotation, if i can't get 90degree displays i throw card out
15:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform anyway, if it makes you feel better, the nvidia binaries of late are absolutely rock solid, i never ever had a problem ; moreover they even fix shitty apt-get messes.
15:28 asciilifeform interesting
15:29 mircea_popescu actually i'd say they're a standard sui generis, "if you're going to distribute binaries, at least do them as well as nvidia"
15:29 asciilifeform to be fair i can't rule out iron problem, in the case of my old card, i suspect it did not like 24/7 duty cycle
15:29 mircea_popescu should bn a diagnose\
15:30 asciilifeform (inside cabinet with multiple red-hot opterons etc)
15:30 mircea_popescu should be visible in a diagnose or other*
15:30 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i never got the on-die thermometer reader to work. possibly improved since.
15:31 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836545 << i can't say that i've 'stopped feeling'em', no.
15:31 a111 Logged on 2018-07-19 19:23 phf: tech. i'm (and ascii) on the other hand are fully imersed in the pain points, you kind of stop feeling them.
15:32 asciilifeform crapple 'plz reboot for update!' is erry bit as infuriating the 9001st time as 1st.
15:33 mircea_popescu aaand apparently my gdb has a memory leak. what the fuck.
15:33 mircea_popescu i can't be the first person to run gdb over multi-week stretches.
15:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: version ?
15:33 mircea_popescu 7.1
15:33 asciilifeform ( and can't resist to ask, what makes ya think it's gdb, and not the debuggee )
15:34 mircea_popescu because the debuggee keeps dying, which results in gdb apparently taking water.
15:35 asciilifeform aa unsurprising then, iirc it doesn't actually ever let go of the crash dumps
15:36 mircea_popescu hm
15:40 * asciilifeform bbl,meat
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16:54 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/07/us-charges-chinese-man-outside-of-us-with-breaking-us-law/ << Qntra - US Charges Chinese Man Outside Of US With Breaking US Law
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17:09 BingoBoingo !!Up alumno
17:09 deedbot alumno voiced for 30 minutes.
17:10 BingoBoingo Hello alumno, who are you and what brings you around these parts?
17:10 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/07/san-francisco-mayor-overwhelmed-by-street-shitting-in-first-interview-after-taking-office/ << Qntra - San Francisco Mayor Overwhelmed By Street Shitting In First Interview After Taking Office
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19:09 esthlos http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836430 << fixed, thanks. linode restarted the thing
19:09 a111 Logged on 2018-07-19 17:00 asciilifeform: !Q later tell esthlos your www is down ?
19:09 lobbesbot esthlos: Sent 6 hours and 9 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> your www is down ?
19:09 mircea_popescu lol
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20:07 lobbes esthlos, you ever consider pizarro shared hosting for your blog? over 99.8% uptime (math used to calculate uptime rate > http://archive.is/7hPmN#selection-1537.42-1539.18)
20:11 mircea_popescu guy's not kiddin' about sellin'.
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23:13 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/let-me-tell-you-how-bad-i-have-it/ << Trilema - Let me tell you how bad I have it
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