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00:52 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo seperating << it's sepArating
00:54 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1827930 << by now they're so fucking disgusting any form of conversation besides beating them black and blue and urinating on the remains is squarely outta da question.
00:54 a111 Logged on 2018-06-21 01:11 asciilifeform: Valid Reasons (tm)(r) didjaknow.
00:55 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1827945 << "memory optimization" for one thing.
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00:55 a111 Logged on 2018-06-21 01:22 phf: typically hashtables stay stable over invocations of same code, i wonder where randomness is even coming from
00:55 mircea_popescu oh nm he says that literally the next line. sucks to be me!
01:00 mircea_popescu lol perls.
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03:26 mircea_popescu meanwhile in high performance pumps : https://78.media.tumblr.com/b9eb11a9d91de939222a03e9ba480023/tumblr_ozipxv48Er1tiw4aco1_500.gif
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04:34 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827895 <- my (possibly naive) idea was to try first on conventional gentoo by recompiling with musltronic gcc what I need; asciilifeform perhaps knows upfront: would it work to (re-)emerge libs such as zlib and libmysqlclient using the musltronic-gcc?
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04:34 a111 Logged on 2018-06-20 20:38 asciilifeform: earlier diana_coman requested conventional gentoo. what'll it be ?
04:35 diana_coman esp libmysqlclient is potentially iffy because it has dependencies that go deeper but atm I don't know until I try it; unless someone else tried similar /knows better?
04:39 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827889 <- in short because existing machine is production environment, there are limits to doing experiments on it
04:39 a111 Logged on 2018-06-20 20:33 ben_vulpes: diana_coman: why does it need to be wholly separate machine? i think something might have flown over my head
04:43 diana_coman obviously, failing this first approach, next would be to get cuntoo on it and try it directly there; as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827894
04:43 a111 Logged on 2018-06-20 20:37 mircea_popescu: and so it is here : if gets away without cuntoo, will try, if not, with.
04:55 jurov http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1827925 << sent
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04:55 a111 Logged on 2018-06-21 00:25 mod6: jurov: just as a reminder, http://deedbot.org/bundle-526308.txt
05:00 diana_coman I should add in case it's not clear that part of the reason for trying to do it starting from a conventional gentoo is that it gives a recipe to apply afterwards (if it works, obv) to current server too
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08:34 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1827977 << 're-emerge' seems to imply systemwide ? you're more or less guaranteed a borked box, muslism has to be done either rotor-style (i.e. 100% user-local build of 1 proggy at a time) or systemwide ( trinque's cuntoo ), on account of the impossibility of cleanly linking glibc libs to musl proggy or vice versa
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08:34 a111 Logged on 2018-06-21 08:34 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827895 <- my (possibly naive) idea was to try first on conventional gentoo by recompiling with musltronic gcc what I need; asciilifeform perhaps knows upfront: would it work to (re-)emerge libs such as zlib and libmysqlclient using the musltronic-gcc?
08:35 diana_coman I see; in that case it would seem cuntoo is needed then indeed
08:35 asciilifeform diana_coman: if you were making simply a musltronic version of euloratron, it could be done rotor-style (buildroot env) . but sounds like you want cuntoo straight away.
08:36 asciilifeform the go-to man is then trinque .
08:36 diana_coman asciilifeform, it's unclear that a musltronic version of euloratron is in way easier to achieve atm because of dependencies
08:37 asciilifeform diana_coman: hence why i said 'rotor buildroot env'
08:37 asciilifeform i solved this same problem for trb -- i.e. building 100% musltronic proggy with '9000' deps , on a conventional box
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08:38 asciilifeform diana_coman: depending on how far cuntoo is from flight-readiness ( trinque , any idea ? ) this may be worth doing in your case
08:39 asciilifeform mod6 is the one who 100% automated asciilifeform's rotor builder; you may want to use his model, ~iff~ waiting for cuntoo is not permissible
08:39 diana_coman well, either there is cuntoo and then can try with it or there isn't, in which no choice apparently other than rotor buildroot style
08:40 asciilifeform right
08:45 asciilifeform of the mentioned libs, zlib is known to me to work under musltronic build; libmysqlclient i had not occasion to test
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08:46 asciilifeform it is my understanding that trinque has a quite complete list of what worx and what -- not; ping him when he wakes.
08:48 diana_coman trinque, can you help re ^ ? (in short: need musltronic system, what can I do)
08:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu had asked asciilifeform not to meddle in euolorological matters, so i'ma stop here, unless all of you somehow get stuck and he asks for specific puzzler to be sent to my operating table.
08:52 diana_coman it's ok
08:57 asciilifeform generally speaking unless one or moar of your deps is weird in the 'emacs' way (i.e. does something obscene with glibc-specific pheatures) it's a straight mechanical job, like rotor.
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10:07 Mocky I'm confused about trb rpc. Log search suggests for the first year+ of bitcoin foundation rpc was marked for death: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-28#1417175 but then there's dump / eat block based on rpc? Is this a new version of rpc, I don't see a new version announced on the mailing list. Can someone sum this up for me, I'm having trouble following the history.
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10:07 a111 Logged on 2016-02-28 05:45 asciilifeform: it is to be amputated ~whole~. no motherfucking stumps.
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10:28 asciilifeform Mocky: the rpc thing is ugly and there were experiments re replacing it ( e.g. 'shiva', scheme interpreter bolted on to trb ) but this took a back seat to moar pressing matters ( control of memory footprint ; sane sync behaviour; coupla other items ) and to this day rpc is still there.
10:29 asciilifeform Mocky: on the list of serious problems in trbworld, it ranked somewhere near bottom.
10:33 Mocky ok, so looking for documentation on how to use: it still works like this: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/API_reference_(JSON-RPC)
10:35 trinque diana_coman: I have updated the script you last tried, such that it again works. What I have not completed is the v-tree which is to replace imperial portage.
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10:37 trinque so if I were to upload the current version of the script for you, it would produce a system which is classical gentoo, my recipe, plus the musl and libressl overlays. this'd be what you'd get if you were hand-spinning own musl/libressl system.
10:42 trinque let me know if you're interested in the script, and I'll be happy to upload. otherwise I'll hold off until done with the genesis.vpatch. what remains there is trimming the fat. the pile of ebuilds necessary to build a minimal userland is approx 4mb, though I can probably shave several mb of alternate versions of same ebuilds. then there's the profile directory, which contains environment settings pertinent
10:42 trinque to particular hardware architectures, particular justwantedto variations like use of systemd or nsa.selinux, so on. the profile dir is about 20mb, so serious yak shaving needs to occur there. it's a task I've already done elsewhere (produced a minimal profile for an embedded system for printers recently), just needs to be done here.
10:44 trinque if you choose to use the build without the vtronic portage, it will be feasible to transition the system once that is born.
10:48 trinque that process will amount to setting an environment variable to direct emerge to use the /cuntoo/portage tree (and to designate /usr/portage as an overlay, if you'll be porting ebuilds from classical gentoo into cuntoo)
11:01 asciilifeform Mocky: the definitive doc, unfortunately, is still the src .
11:02 asciilifeform Mocky: i.e. http://btcbase.org/patches/makefiles/tree/bitcoin/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp
11:03 asciilifeform !!up Fearful
11:03 deedbot Fearful voiced for 30 minutes.
11:03 asciilifeform Fearful: who goes there ?
11:04 Mocky asciilifeform, thanks
11:09 asciilifeform Mocky: trb , roughly speaking , is a legacy item, in the same way as the icbm targeting comp and similar. i.e. a museum piece that gotta be kept in working order, rather than 'sexy, new' thing bubbling with development
11:10 Mocky understood
11:12 asciilifeform Mocky: even quite small changes to trb, typically get months ( sometimes yrs.. ) of discussion, testing.
11:15 asciilifeform Mocky: as you are prolly already beginning to understand from the l0gz, vtronics grew from trb work, which demanded 'measure not 7, but 7777 times, before cutting once', in the style of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-15#922644
11:15 a111 Logged on 2014-11-15 00:28 asciilifeform: one would read instructions. another, turn a wrench, whatever. third would check that 2 corresponds to 1. then, all three sign under that step in recipe.
11:22 Mocky asciilifeform, yes. I'm still wrapping my head around v. My understanding is attaching name and trust to every patch with an explicit dependence tree and build order. But I've not grasped the details yet, or used except to build trb, or understood the src
11:23 Mocky well not build order but patch ordering
11:24 asciilifeform Mocky: not merely this. there is also a set of human-enforced conventions re: 'fits-in-head' of any proposed change.
11:24 asciilifeform Mocky: the illustrative log hook is the story of polarbeard
11:24 asciilifeform !#s polarbeard
11:24 a111 288 results for "polarbeard", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=polarbeard
11:27 asciilifeform fella had enthusiasm, even some talent, but could not grasp the essential idea that a patch gotta be compact and touch a strict and justifiable minimum count of moving parts
11:30 asciilifeform mircea_popescu , in one of his essays, described how gurlz from nato reich who enlist in his harem sometimes suffer from the effects of fat-soluble poisons, which accumulated in their meat, as the fat burns up in exercise. there is a similar malady suffered by escapees from 'open sores' world on those occasions when they show up here. the toxins gotta work their way out.
11:30 asciilifeform not errybody makes it to the other end .
11:33 asciilifeform Mocky: to function as a troo vtronicist, gotta grasp the concept, described by e.g. dijkstra, that a line of code you have written is not an asset, but an expense. (specifically, an expense against the time budget of other thinking people, who must read and grasp what you have written. )
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11:37 asciilifeform Mocky: v rejects the traditional concept of 'merge'. therefore in order for a patch to continue through time, it must be not only correct, and simple not only to understand but to manually reintegrate ( see l0gz re 'regrind' ) .
11:43 asciilifeform Mocky: the design of v is to give thoughtful, careful, honest folx , a sword with which to cut the sloppy, careless, and mendacious.
11:44 asciilifeform Mocky: occasionally you will stumble across the latter's mangled bones, in the logz.
11:45 mircea_popescu not "sometimes". every time.
11:45 asciilifeform oh hah.
11:53 asciilifeform Mocky: imho the best intro text re vtronics is still ben_vulpes's , http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system
11:55 asciilifeform Mocky: and the best 'intro course', is still to write, as exercise, your own implementation.
11:56 asciilifeform asciilifeform, mod6 , phf , ben_vulpes , trinque , ( and several other folx, who are not here, flunked out ) , have done this.
11:56 Mocky asciilifeform, re: rejects traditional concept of merge, to my eye this looks like 5 merges. are these non-traditional?
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11:56 Mocky http://btcbase.org/patches
11:56 asciilifeform Mocky: 'merging' is done by hand.
11:56 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1827994 << yes but this won't likely work here ; the dependency tree is like 10x trb's.
11:56 a111 Logged on 2018-06-21 12:37 asciilifeform: i solved this same problem for trb -- i.e. building 100% musltronic proggy with '9000' deps , on a conventional box
11:57 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the main q is not re how many, but whether there is an 'emacs'-like boojum among'em. buildroot will just as happily build 9000 deps as 1.
11:57 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1827999 << a static mysql would be a thing in and of itself! could go in mp-wp too!
11:57 a111 Logged on 2018-06-21 12:45 asciilifeform: of the mentioned libs, zlib is known to me to work under musltronic build; libmysqlclient i had not occasion to test
11:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the above named promises to be, very much so.
11:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: prolly you oughta test this experimentally, might be pleasantly surprised.
11:58 mircea_popescu yes, it's getting done.
11:59 mircea_popescu in pleasantly surprised : yesterday driving through flood (it rained here like the end of hte world, 15cm+) car lost... the front fucking plate on a highway ramp, when water came as high as the windows.
12:00 mircea_popescu so i called teh empleado, sent him to fish my plate somehow, an hour later, when i finally noticed coming out of whorehouse.
12:00 mircea_popescu he... did. "por milagro", dood fished out my plate out of a sunken highway ramp.
12:00 asciilifeform twist : http://www.dukw.com/dkramp.gif is mircea_popescu's car
12:01 mircea_popescu nevertheles... not something you'd rely on, even if you had miracle-working groundskeepers at your beak and call. the correct approach is to NOT HAVE FLOODABLE HIGHWAY RAMPS OMFG
12:01 mircea_popescu well, it does take like 8 liters of engine oil... but it's just a bmw.
12:02 mircea_popescu anyway, point being, as girl was dialing the miracle worker for me, i was saying to her, "tomorrow you call the lawyer, apparently he's getting me new plates."
12:04 asciilifeform puzzler is why would it come loose to begin with.. water-soluble screws?!
12:04 asciilifeform .. held on with hot glue ?
12:04 mircea_popescu nah, it rests on a larger plastic plate, which is plastic-fastened to the whole bumper assemblage.
12:04 asciilifeform ugh
12:04 mircea_popescu you know ?
12:05 mircea_popescu basically it got sail effect.
12:05 asciilifeform sounds liek this bmw is of moar chinese build than my old tub even
12:05 mircea_popescu it is literally made in germany.
12:05 asciilifeform iguess germany aint what it used to be
12:05 mircea_popescu and this was years ago!
12:06 * asciilifeform recalls when bumpers were made of rubber, and ~never needed swap
12:07 mircea_popescu but yes, this is how empires die. "yes we're aware this would sail right off if driven through in 3 feet of water, but the car's not rated for driving through 3 feet of water so it's ok." "right, but then the ramp that's not rated for flooding will flood, because etcetera in this vein, and there you are."
12:07 asciilifeform sounds like mircea_popescu lives in gelandewagen country
12:08 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828005 << the closest we got to a replacement i believe was asciilifeform's shiva, i.e. a tinyscheme embedded into trb runtime. it was suggested as a useful exercise for novices to attempt to expose existing, useful rpc function using it, but there were no takers. at some point the idea of using shiva in prod also went away, because tinyscheme is not necessarily production ready (primarily because of C-ism issues). as
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12:08 a111 Logged on 2018-06-21 14:07 Mocky: I'm confused about trb rpc. Log search suggests for the first year+ of bitcoin foundation rpc was marked for death: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-28#1417175 but then there's dump / eat block based on rpc? Is this a new version of rpc, I don't see a new version announced on the mailing list. Can someone sum this up for me, I'm having trouble following the history.
12:08 phf of right now new methods that people write are exposed through the old RPC still
12:08 mircea_popescu probably ; but honestly i very much like this thing's turn. it specifically does 1-lane-over turning. very evidently was designed specifically for it.
12:09 asciilifeform evidently it wants to live on clean, dry autobahn, smooth enuff for playing billiard.
12:10 mircea_popescu you can switch from driving leftmost lane this way to rightmost lane that way or rightmost lane this way to leftmost lane that way on a 4 lane road at ~100kmph in sub a second. just goes wooooosh.
12:10 Mocky what, rear wheels steer too?
12:11 mircea_popescu Mocky no, rear wheels go woosh. but ever so slightly, it's so stable you wouldn't believe.
12:11 asciilifeform Mocky: afaik those only exist in jp
12:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform driving through water is a major engineering problem though. unless specifically amphibian landing vehicle, ytou won't get it.
12:12 mircea_popescu the correct fucking solution, nevermind billiard whatever, is to not have floodable highway ramps. which is the largest chapter in highway ramp engineering book. not even kidding.
12:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: quite troo. tho gelandewagen-style fat, synchronous wheels still better for drowned roads than autobahn limo.
12:13 mircea_popescu phf there were takers, mod6 working on rawtx recall ?
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12:13 asciilifeform i'm not really surprised that bananistan has flooding ramps. oxcarts dun particularly care about water.
12:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform are you kidding me ? i found out later from workers we were the only ones to cross there.
12:14 mircea_popescu their little toyota and toyota-like shits (which is 99% of mkt here) simply drown in half that.
12:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: where do the donkey riders cross ?
12:14 mircea_popescu they wait.
12:14 asciilifeform aa
12:14 mircea_popescu donkey, also can't breathe underwater.
12:14 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> but yes, this is how empires die. "yes we're aware this would sail right off if driven through in 3 feet of water, but the car's not rated for driving through 3 feet of water so it's ok." "right, but then the ramp that's not rated for flooding will flood, because etcetera in this vein, and there you are." << AHA, this happened to the plasticar
12:14 mircea_popescu but this reminds me, saw somewhere nice aquafort of 1918 major road here, then a river, beign crossed by bare legged girlies on oxcarts.
12:15 Mocky mircea_popescu, wooshing across 4 lanes in sub second is my kind of fun, I do this ~daily on motorcycle
12:15 mircea_popescu i almost never do!
12:15 mircea_popescu it's not for fun, it's for WAR!!1
12:15 asciilifeform Mocky: for motorbike road is 'always empty' neh.
12:16 trinque 'til it isn't
12:16 mircea_popescu yeah, until you end up spread like butter
12:16 asciilifeform aha, watched heads pop like melons.
12:16 Mocky i a car the road can be full, on a bike you can still fit in there
12:16 asciilifeform but until said day, life so phree, so vroom!11
12:16 mircea_popescu i personally know a slut that lost the ability of being beaten for fun, through the mediation of her ducati and so many knee and hip surgeries she's immune to playpain.
12:17 mircea_popescu and you know what else went with it ? she can barely come. because yes, the cns is plasticine, but no it's not free plasticine.
12:19 asciilifeform 'that nerve moves left little toe now'
12:19 mircea_popescu you know ?
12:20 Mocky blockchain's not gonna fit on this 250gb ssd is it. fuck
12:20 mircea_popescu this is in the lawgs!
12:21 Mocky dun help til you know you need to search for it!
12:21 mircea_popescu btw, everyone notice how every year by now there's one of these shockingly promising young squirts ? just, they keep coming earlier and earlier in the year.
12:21 asciilifeform Mocky: multiply blockheight by 1e6 to get a ceiling for estimated mass ( you will only ever be off by a small constant )
12:22 mircea_popescu yo Mocky , do the botting bs. i was going to tell you when to v it, and everything. not like you're alone here you know.
12:22 mircea_popescu if you just run by whatever shines you'll get overwhelmed and then depressed at how the sand sucks effort with no visible return.
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12:23 Mocky tru but how am to even have money without a wallet?
12:23 mircea_popescu you have a wallet
12:23 mircea_popescu !!pay Mocky 0.02
12:23 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iQDvA/?raw=true
12:23 mircea_popescu there.
12:24 mircea_popescu (i hope we all now admire the wisdom of trinque, for having closed this hole for me lo these many years ago.)
12:24 asciilifeform trinque's walletron is certifiably spiffy.
12:26 trinque glad you gents like it.
12:26 Mocky ok well, thanks. hopefully that doesn't curse me. but also i "have" "bitcoin" in various dark markets that i want to actually own and I don't trust them to send accurate decimal to trinque's walletron
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12:27 mircea_popescu Mocky so flush them via whatever, iirc blockchain.info sent correct ammt.
12:27 mircea_popescu but no, it's not like it's verboten to stand up a trb, god forbid.
12:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: iirc bci et al have started doing segshitness
12:27 mircea_popescu can't do it when you pay to a proper addy.
12:27 asciilifeform aa hm
12:27 trinque when I've grunted out the cuntoo thing, next item in the pipeline is the hot wallet
12:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and trinque isn't issuing them their 3bs. i suppose next step in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827722 security circus luls is "can't send bitcoin to proper bitcoin address, ITS INSECURE!!!" bullshit.
12:29 a111 Logged on 2018-06-20 16:15 mircea_popescu: in other-same lulz, usg amping up the "upgrading" of "secure" http sites off the interwebs.
12:29 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828076 << phf in retrospect tinyscheme plugin was an ill-conceived thing. such item really calls for a troo adatronic scheme thing.
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12:29 a111 Logged on 2018-06-21 16:08 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828005 << the closest we got to a replacement i believe was asciilifeform's shiva, i.e. a tinyscheme embedded into trb runtime. it was suggested as a useful exercise for novices to attempt to expose existing, useful rpc function using it, but there were no takers. at some point the idea of using shiva in prod also went away, because tinyscheme is not necessarily production ready (primarily because of C-ism issues). as
12:29 mircea_popescu but afaik they're not quite there yet.
12:30 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: so far seems like they know that fence is electrified, mostly stayed off
12:30 asciilifeform ( with possible exception of shitpay )
12:30 mircea_popescu zombie herd knows no such thing, on the long run. bridges over barbed water!
12:30 asciilifeform lolyes
12:30 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/ etc.
12:31 mircea_popescu i wonder what percentage of the old world jews actuallty went to the lime pit while managing imaginary financial empires the whole time.
12:31 mircea_popescu because it seems like 100% of the new world jews will.
12:32 mircea_popescu and you'd better believe it'll be "republic doesn't like us because IT IS BARBARIC!!!! HATES BLINDLY WITHOUT REASON OR CAUSE!!!!11" etc etc.
12:32 asciilifeform 'they hate our fleadoms!'(tm)(r)
12:33 mircea_popescu rewatched http://trilema.com/2011/margin-call/ last nite ; hanbot was all "wtf is with these idiots, tax man takes 50% right off the top, and that's it ? no comment, not even a groan, not even 'how about you pay me the real amt you pay me rather than pretend double' zero ??"
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12:33 mircea_popescu she hates their freedoms.
12:35 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827698 << lmao i somehow missed this.
12:35 a111 Logged on 2018-06-20 15:20 FundsAreSafuh: the pursuit of knowledge, and an adoration for the great Mircea Popescu
12:36 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827714 << roflmao what fucking thrills these guys got. i am starting to suspect i missed out.
12:36 a111 Logged on 2018-06-20 15:41 FundsAreSafuh: The thrill of buying 60 BTC, and spending it all on cannabis. The exhilaration of learning PGP for the first time. The realization that FeedZeBirds was a scam.
12:36 asciilifeform lol realization
12:36 asciilifeform ( recall similar generation of amoeba who 'then i realized mmm was SCAM!' ? )
12:37 mircea_popescu you know, the total btc value i spent on pot the past decade is 0.00. because a) who the fuck buys pot for internet funbux, just... why! and b).
12:38 mircea_popescu though when it comes to b), i suppose i should admit the girls keep getting offered roaches and tokes alllll the time. whole crowd whose only mode of socialisation seems to be, sharing mate uh i mean, pot-e.
12:38 asciilifeform same folx presumably who bought the infamous $100M pizza
12:38 mircea_popescu but i mean... the ~only utility of even buying pot is getting to know the dealer.
12:40 asciilifeform in current-day gringolandia, 'dealer' is no longer interesting connector to the world, but rather some d00d with two flower pots and fluorescent lamp in his cellar
12:40 Mocky I probably spent what i didn't realize would be a fortune of btc on pot. but i at least learned an important lesson.
12:40 mircea_popescu asciilifeform disgusting tankworld.
12:40 Mocky i didn't smoke any of what i bought
12:40 mircea_popescu these people have no fucking idea re soviet survival skills.
12:41 mircea_popescu here's the pro tip : everyone who made money in the 90s did so because of their "pot dealer" connections.
12:41 mircea_popescu the whole fucking point of even having a black market economy is to destroy the system, hence all the o'brien comments on trilema.
12:42 mircea_popescu the same guy selling you pot, in a working world, will sell your car for you / introduce you to the people in austriturkey to buy condoms from and so on.
12:42 mircea_popescu then you learn the much more important lesson that a car's worth of condom's worth the whole hruscheba, plus that hottie on 2F.
12:44 Mocky my experience, quite limited, was that ~only people dealing pot are pot heads who don't end making a dime
12:44 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sorta the thrust behind the recent trend of 'pot legalizations' in usa -- succeeded in neutering the healthiest of the blackmarkets ( something like 1 in 5 zeks in usa, regularly pot )
12:44 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: the pot dealer is even an extinct species these days; gotta go buy fentanyl to make friends now
12:45 ben_vulpes and even that largely subsumed by .cn mailorder
12:45 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: even these, are afaik now quite similar to the flower pot derp, typically just a d00d who works at pharmacy warehouse
12:46 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: nah, even worse/dumber. importing the fentanyl and mixing it poorly into things that look like heroin for street-resale
12:46 asciilifeform ha
12:46 * asciilifeform not deeply versed in subj
12:46 ben_vulpes because it's not fentanyl, it's just-enough-different to escape prosecution in the orient and kill people in ameristan
12:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform deintermediation, the universal inca goal. as per http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/
12:47 asciilifeform aha 'start topology'(tm)(r)
12:47 asciilifeform *star
12:48 asciilifeform iirc under obummer they even made inroads into making small arms blackmarket dependent on usg-controlled suppliers.
12:48 mircea_popescu basically they're really really dedicated to dying in a bloc.
12:50 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: lulzily , in ameristan they have the 'analogues act', i.e. anybody can be prosecuted, if they 'need to have problems', for, say, the glue in their chinese shoes, if need be
12:50 asciilifeform and the whole mass of the boot will count towards 'sentence formula'
12:50 mircea_popescu lol
12:50 mircea_popescu this isn't even not true.
12:50 mircea_popescu helps the whole "nobus child porn" thing, "if we didn't cheat here we'd cheat down the line" sorta anal children "arguments".
12:51 asciilifeform ( sorta how you see sentences for '10kg of lsd', which has never existed and probably will never exist on planet earth; they weigh whatever reagents, incl water )
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12:51 mircea_popescu "cheat -- we will!" hurr.
12:53 asciilifeform or, on the other side of the kangaroo courthouse, the infamous 'shoestring machinegun' cases, etc.
12:53 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1827957 << yeah, this dun seem workable.
12:53 a111 Logged on 2018-06-21 01:29 phf: much hairy, unix.lisp, runtime, sbcl's new approach of doing every single bit of ffi by writing C function wrappers first
12:54 asciilifeform ( 'we found an old rifle in his closet, and a shoestring, if he were to tie it to the bolt like-so...' )
12:54 mircea_popescu https://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/ATF-shoestring-machine-gun-2004.jpg for the record.
12:54 asciilifeform famous lulzcase
12:55 trinque sterling nixon, ferfuxsake
12:55 mircea_popescu "constructive possession."
12:56 asciilifeform recently it was invoked , in a ban on whatever peculiarly shaped rifle butt was found in the las vegas postal, supposedly 'bounces off shoulder and shoots illicitly faster'
12:56 mircea_popescu wasn't the butt, plastic attachment over the trigger thing
12:56 asciilifeform aah
12:57 trinque "bump stock"
12:57 mircea_popescu right.
12:57 mircea_popescu it's a terrible bit of chinesium, too.
12:57 mircea_popescu kinda why dood didn't hit jack shit
12:57 asciilifeform iirc was moar of a sprayer than aimer type
12:58 asciilifeform not clear why he didn't simply do a proper auto mod. 'hang for sheep as well as lamb'
12:58 mircea_popescu because he knew no pot dealers.
12:59 asciilifeform what dealers. just needs, what, drill press and file.
12:59 mircea_popescu consequently, worried he'd be leaking info.
12:59 mircea_popescu he didn't have teh skills.
12:59 asciilifeform evidently
12:59 mircea_popescu depressives are rarely effectual specifically because often a goal requires some preparations.
12:59 asciilifeform bonsaikittenization bears fruit.
12:59 mircea_popescu depressives are broken in the typical consumer fashion, "either right now or not at all"
13:00 asciilifeform iirc subj d00d specifically counterexample, had multiple rehearsals, prepared.
13:00 mircea_popescu but not drill press.
13:00 asciilifeform right
13:00 mircea_popescu they weren't "rehearsals", they were chickening outs.
13:00 asciilifeform likely
13:00 mircea_popescu suicidy emo chick isn't "rehearsing" with the pills.
13:01 asciilifeform trooly prepared d00d would've, e.g., lobbed selfmade frags.
13:02 mircea_popescu and the case'd absolutely have been another chickening out, in my respected and respectable professional oppinion as the only left psychologist speaking this language, had not a very george zimmerman-like character (white male redditor-rentacop) jiggled at his door with his pretense to matter.
13:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: most of the reported 'postal' derps to date seem to follow this pattern
13:04 asciilifeform 'later', 'later', then suddenly 'must nao'
13:04 trinque the thing builds up as an escape fantasy. "that'll be the day"
13:04 mircea_popescu which, incidentally, is why the pantsuit hate the "new right" or whatever they call it. all they see is the zimmerman-paddock party and get hives.
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13:05 mircea_popescu ie, overbearing, underqualified, loud smelly white male officious intermeddlers.
13:05 mircea_popescu can't even say i disagree.
13:06 mircea_popescu meanwhile in accountrements, https://78.media.tumblr.com/45a89885d7a7a44d8cbb7e7c51efbc29/tumblr_oxpi7hxTl41uzk3l9o1_400.gif
13:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: doubt that it's so specific; afaik they see it as simply a large underground bag into which they've driven errything with even half a ball remaining, 'could do anyffing!1'
13:07 mircea_popescu i don't think so.
13:08 asciilifeform ( considering that there isn't actually such a thing as 'new right', but in reality buncha folx who read r-reddit in place of l-reddit )
13:09 mircea_popescu and then go about tapping trayvon on the shoulder as he's going home after fucking jennifer senseless.
13:09 mircea_popescu yes, this is exactly it : redditor-rentacops.
13:10 asciilifeform y'know, sorta how there wasn't actually a 'communist underground' in the last reich, just that luxembourg chix who got guillotined with buncha other derps
13:12 mircea_popescu an evolution (albeit slight) of the 1990s era pantsuit-imagined-enemy, the subersive-exterminator. this guy : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a84gLEew8m4
13:12 mircea_popescu you gotta appreciate, pantsuits are very visual thinkers.
13:12 asciilifeform even these did not exist in the necessary mass, the 1st clinton had to create'em ( for waco etc )
13:13 mircea_popescu so visual, in fact, that unless there's a gui with icons to cluck at, they don't have ~the subjective impression~ of having thought.
13:13 asciilifeform !#s militia
13:13 a111 81 results for "militia", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=militia
13:13 mircea_popescu because their thoughtmeter is really taping the optic nerve.
13:14 mircea_popescu and hence natural masturbatory activity of the sort described in http://trilema.com/2012/the-imbecilitarians/#selection-317.0-317.109
13:14 mircea_popescu the ~driver~ of the behaviour is exactly 1. now we're doing serious business edumancation which is thought ; 2. activity not involving the optic nerve doesn't feel like having thought ; 3. clicks through captics all while
13:15 mircea_popescu it's exactly like old pedophile rubbing the desk in court during testimony of kids he rubbed at home. just, mechanically, how it works.
13:16 mircea_popescu hysterically enough, this is actually a line by felini. in zampano literally says, "it's the optic nerve that does all the work"
13:16 asciilifeform really whole root of 'guiism' is to give the monkey a harmless object to manipulate, like hamster is given wheel
13:16 mircea_popescu indeed. and for this very reason. monkey feels like it has produced intellectual work for having been visually exhausted.
13:17 asciilifeform hence, for instance, clinton's creation of 'militias' to send the r-reddit folx to play with pea shooters, rather than chancing their discovery of effective low-tech monkey wrenches (e.g. gas)
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13:18 mircea_popescu certainly. as the gears grind to a halt, more and more of the imperial gdp is leaked to distracting the barbarians.
13:18 asciilifeform today not even needs pea shooters; e.g. weev et al successfully occupied with escape 'censored' r-reddit to alt-alt-r-reddit etc
13:19 trinque some derp put a frog on a twitter clone and that was that.
13:19 mircea_popescu wait, there was also a voat, is this that ?
13:19 asciilifeform clone of clone, and who knows, maybe kangaroo nao instead of frog, i have not followed the subj
13:20 trinque mircea_popescu: nah "gab"
13:20 trinque I only remember because nazi chick had big tits
13:21 asciilifeform 'wriggle out of the conclusion while accepting form'
13:21 mircea_popescu this fragmenting thing they're doing is amusingly enough more helping reddit than they could have done if they were good redditors and "created" "content" for it.
13:21 mircea_popescu basically, "will drench this ship out of our own canteens, make sure it has water under keel"
13:21 ben_vulpes latest innovation is lotto-disguised-as-lootbox on ipad; labor force participation by young males down, but expenditures of parents' 401k on skinner boxes is up!
13:23 asciilifeform wat's a lootbox?
13:24 mircea_popescu a box of loot.
13:24 asciilifeform how would one go about mistaking ipad for one such ?
13:24 mircea_popescu how does one go about mistaking their pay slip for money ?
13:25 mircea_popescu wilful suspension of brain function.
13:25 asciilifeform 'st peter, you can't take me, for i can't go, i owe my soul to the company store'(tm)(r)(1890s amerischwitz) i dun think they necessarily confuse it.
13:26 mircea_popescu nothing from the 1800s may stand for today's zeks.
13:26 asciilifeform i've yet to meet in the flesh a zek who actually thinks he's touched real money.
13:26 mircea_popescu do you know when talking to stupid cunt (tm), her retort to "have you seen ken park" was "no, i was 9yo when it came out".
13:26 mircea_popescu only thing penned in the past 3 months may be used in support of zek.
13:27 mircea_popescu as far as the crop of baaaas is concerned, 1800s america was a different country in a different land.
13:27 mircea_popescu !#s fathers fought to conquer
13:27 a111 0 results for "fathers fought to conquer", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fathers%20fought%20to%20conquer
13:27 mircea_popescu orly ?
13:28 asciilifeform ipadism really replacement for televism, rather than anything else.
13:28 diana_coman trinque, if I understand it correctly, I could have a cuntoo right now and move later on to v-tree but a. there is some work to be done to configure it properly for the exact pizarro hardware b. it's unclear whether I'll be able to emerge (i.e. build musltronically) all the stuff I need ; correct?
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13:28 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2015/how-is-it-the-end/#selection-205.604-205.670 then.
13:28 diana_coman ref http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828010
13:28 a111 Logged on 2018-06-21 14:35 trinque: diana_coman: I have updated the script you last tried, such that it again works. What I have not completed is the v-tree which is to replace imperial portage.
13:31 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828036 << this is a major point ; and goes directly to the bifurcation between http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1827317 and http://trilema.com/2009/inchipuiti-va/ (original piece describing a world where things exist by power of mind and how it'd play out).
13:31 a111 Logged on 2018-06-21 15:33 asciilifeform: Mocky: to function as a troo vtronicist, gotta grasp the concept, described by e.g. dijkstra, that a line of code you have written is not an asset, but an expense. (specifically, an expense against the time budget of other thinking people, who must read and grasp what you have written. )
13:31 a111 Logged on 2018-06-19 20:52 mircea_popescu: it's not "oh, errybody has a rotten plank or two keeping'em afloat." it's "oh, everybody ~can manifest matter by will~, currently everybody hanging off the bare minimum rotten plank and they're not even COMPARED".
13:31 mircea_popescu i suppose i should translate that thing. unless anyone wants to practice their rofu first ?
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13:33 mircea_popescu also, i misstated http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828225 ; i meant zimmerman-campos (the hotel's rentacop that hassled the dood into going live).
13:33 a111 Logged on 2018-06-21 17:04 mircea_popescu: which, incidentally, is why the pantsuit hate the "new right" or whatever they call it. all they see is the zimmerman-paddock party and get hives.
13:34 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828045 << rejects the github implementation of merge, would have been the correct statement. yes you can alter code, but through a very different process, in places exactly opposite.
13:34 a111 Logged on 2018-06-21 15:56 Mocky: asciilifeform, re: rejects traditional concept of merge, to my eye this looks like 5 merges. are these non-traditional?
13:35 mircea_popescu for a simple example, the default state is, "userbase rejects your merge" rather than "everyone please upgrade". that should give a decent idea of the flavour.
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13:36 mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1827984 << thanks!
13:36 a111 Logged on 2018-06-21 08:55 jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1827925 << sent
13:40 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828275 << right. either now or later, you'll have to produce a kernel config suitable for your hardware, and provide that to the build script. and yes, there is the potential that somebody else hasn't yet provided musl patches for your dependencies, though there are more all the time.
13:40 a111 Logged on 2018-06-21 17:28 diana_coman: trinque, if I understand it correctly, I could have a cuntoo right now and move later on to v-tree but a. there is some work to be done to configure it properly for the exact pizarro hardware b. it's unclear whether I'll be able to emerge (i.e. build musltronically) all the stuff I need ; correct?
13:42 diana_coman trinque, hm, the kernel config suitable for the hardware in principle exists already as it would be the same as it is for non-musltronic gentoo, or am I wrong here?
13:42 asciilifeform trinque: luckily asciilifeform already baked kernel config for the type of machine diana_coman has ( tho it potentially can be further trimmed )
13:43 diana_coman so then it would seem this is the best available option currently: asciilifeform can I have trinque's cuntoo on that machine when it's available?
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13:43 asciilifeform surely
13:43 diana_coman thank you!
13:44 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828282 << asciilifeform very definitely read that piece. but it might have been in the orig ro
13:44 a111 Logged on 2018-06-21 17:31 mircea_popescu: i suppose i should translate that thing. unless anyone wants to practice their rofu first ?
13:44 asciilifeform the one where 'what would you have in your house, if all you had to do is think of it'
13:44 Mocky this makes sense to me >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828287
13:44 a111 Logged on 2018-06-21 17:35 mircea_popescu: for a simple example, the default state is, "userbase rejects your merge" rather than "everyone please upgrade". that should give a decent idea of the flavour.
13:45 trinque yep, there aren't any specific constraints on the kernel, other than the obvious "matched arch, abi, of userland root"
13:45 trinque however, if you're using genkernel, the script doesn't invoke that for you. it expects to be fed a kernel config bare
13:47 trinque (there will be a tool for initramfs-ism forthcoming, but there are very few situations where you actually need one)
13:48 asciilifeform trinque: really, i can't think of any genuine reason to keep initramfs; if box needs e.g. raid card driver, it oughta be compiled in kernel
13:48 trinque I have use for it in embedded, but only
13:48 asciilifeform and overall trinque's approach to kernels is The Right Thing (i.e. nail down the iron, and switch off modules)
13:49 trinque place to mount say a squashfs as root, with overlay for ephemeral writes
13:49 asciilifeform modules make sense to have on a box where you're developing custom iron, and driver is fiddled with actively, and that's about it
13:49 trinque aha
13:49 asciilifeform trinque: aah conceivably
13:50 trinque asciilifeform: no reason to be more than busybox and here's your init shell script.
13:50 asciilifeform iirc busybox errs on the side of being spartan, breaks certain legacy duct tapes
13:51 asciilifeform but this is not really an argument against it
13:51 asciilifeform ( i had it, fwiw, on pogo )
13:53 trinque I build initramfsen by aiming portage at a custom PORTAGE_CONFIGROOT and ROOT, using a threadbare portage profile, can thereby slam down ebuilds in a chroot without having the whole of portage present in the chroot
13:55 trinque recently did work experimenting with "just add water" kernels where the initramfs is (relatively) huge, but there is in fact a magic number limiting the size of in-built initramfs, dun recall what, but hit it in the few 100s of mb range
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14:26 mircea_popescu Mocky it's not much, superficially, but it has a lot of downstream. because this is the ~fundamental~ rot of "foss" : that impotent dweebs latch on to it not because of the lofty theoretical goals, but strictly because of the very direct if unspoken power equation, "if i be friends with these guys then girls will be forced ot insert my penis in their vagina by themselves".
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14:26 mircea_popescu which obviously is the universal palliative dream of the impotent.
14:27 mircea_popescu "nobody could have predicted" and therefore it doesn't occur to them how to clean it. and the politruks are helpfully there, "stop rape" and "code of conduct of incluisivity" and etc, expertly boiling the frogs.
14:33 asciilifeform 'foss' 'development' follows the pattern illustrated in the old jp game 'katamari damacy' , where ball rolls around and picks up rusty nails, rubbish, people, dogs, trees, candy bars, etc
14:34 asciilifeform with the 1 twist that in the nintendo game at least sometimes objects come loose and fall from the ball
14:34 asciilifeform but in 'foss' , pretty much never
14:34 mircea_popescu this is everything! this is everywhere! banzai pantsuit!
14:37 asciilifeform ( tbf, not limited to open sores, e.g. microshit world is just such a katamari )
14:37 asciilifeform the pov where 'line of coad is asset!11' inescapably leads to this.
14:39 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828135 << so far the question is whether adascheme or elips.
14:39 a111 Logged on 2018-06-21 16:29 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828076 << phf in retrospect tinyscheme plugin was an ill-conceived thing. such item really calls for a troo adatronic scheme thing.
14:39 * asciilifeform recently had lengthy emacs convo with asciilifeform's brother, greybeard incurable emacsist , re 'yes we will ditch the autoinstallable packets' . initially horrified, then it dawned on him
14:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: elisp is a roughly microshit-quality product.
14:40 asciilifeform e.g., leaks like a sieve.
14:40 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no but this is my point. "why are you using emacs when in fact trb will need ada scheme anyway and then you could just have a musl-gnat nerwmacs" ?
14:41 asciilifeform yes. tho currently toolbox consists of rusty old emacs, and ~barehands.
14:41 mircea_popescu right.
14:41 mircea_popescu put that in brother's graybeard an' smoke it!11
14:42 asciilifeform compared to, e.g., trb reactor dismantlement and rod replacement , re-creating the useful part of emacs is light work.
14:42 mircea_popescu this is how we ended up rebuilding the whole town around powerplant as part of powerplant rebuild project.
14:43 mircea_popescu from city hall to cnc mill, the works.
14:45 asciilifeform btw didn't somebody grind out a draft of a foaetal ada scheme ? was digging in log, not found so far
14:45 ben_vulpes spyked?
14:45 asciilifeform iirc
14:45 mircea_popescu i think this was spyked's thing
14:45 asciilifeform did it break his back? i dun recall hearing of followup
14:46 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737242 << ?
14:46 a111 Logged on 2017-11-13 17:44 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736892 << some years ago, several people got together and worked through 'an incremental approach to compiler construction', one nick fitzgerald worked through it in ada: https://github.com/fitzgen/ada-scheme
14:46 mircea_popescu !#seen spyked
14:46 a111 2018-06-18 <spyked> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825614 <-- I wonder if dood is still tuned in (maybe read-only? I know I was for more than a coupla years). kinda enjoyed the conversations back in the day.
14:47 asciilifeform trinque: naa wasn't a heathen link, was selfmade thing
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14:47 spyked quite the backbreaker, yes. I have some coad, but it sucks (iirc I linked some of it and phf tore it to pieces).
14:47 asciilifeform trinque: the heathen item linked, has e.g. unbound strings, and related nopes
14:47 asciilifeform spyked: do you happen to have threadlink handy ?
14:49 mircea_popescu in other lulz (from there where the hopeless cunts posture) : Sam25218 23F Exploring "It costs £0.00 to not be like this." LordMPofTMSR 37M Master "For the same money it'd cost you nothing to stop washing and go about in rags. What nonsense is this ?!"
14:49 mircea_popescu anyone wanna guess her comeback ?
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14:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'what's washing' ?
14:50 mircea_popescu you know, showering, bathing
14:50 asciilifeform the comeback, i mean
14:50 mircea_popescu lmao. nope. it is, believe it or not, computer related.
14:50 mircea_popescu well... disrelated, at any rate.
14:50 asciilifeform hm?
14:51 mircea_popescu ima give it till the hour an' then reveal, this is something else.
14:51 spyked asciilifeform, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1722613 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741176 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741181 and there are certainly others. I kept reading and adding some basic pieces to it, but IMHO is still very much "roadside item"
14:51 a111 Logged on 2017-10-08 14:06 phf: spyked: r5rs and tinyscheme are not the right places to start on the other, non-ada end, i'd recommend looking at lisp in small pieces. you can tease out the theory out of tinyscheme, but it's definitely easier not to get bogged on accidentals if you start from theory
14:51 a111 Logged on 2017-11-20 12:19 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737923 <-- also, spyked's adalisp is missing more fundamental things, such as closures. it's an early prototype, barely usable, but > 0. interning is of course considered, but not added yet. anyway, phf, consider the following point: built-in symbols (car, cons, etc.) still have to point *somewhere*, and that somewhere must not be addressed in a C-machine style! symbols should point to Lisp memory (via
14:51 a111 Logged on 2017-11-20 12:23 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1738140 <-- ftr, I am following phf's initial advice re. reading lisp in small pieces; this, along with kogge's book. but at snail's pace (code easier to write than read)
14:51 asciilifeform ty spyked
14:52 mircea_popescu spyked afaik this ran in entirely unsolvable memory addressing problems, that true ?
14:53 spyked I managed to make the thing run without a heap, I think the problem's more in my understanding of Lisp's evaluation model.
14:53 asciilifeform iirc asciilifeform described exactly how to cure pointerolade in adascheme ( use array of cells, and ordinary ranged integer for addressing )
14:53 spyked and I don't know how to cut it in small, readable pieces.
14:53 mircea_popescu ic.
14:54 asciilifeform spyked: were you able to get hold of the french d00d's 'lisp in small pieces' ?
14:54 asciilifeform it's exactly the likbez for subj.
14:55 asciilifeform oh nm already mentioned in log
14:56 mircea_popescu in other sads, article fucking untranslatable. "inchipuiti-va" is not romanian for "imagine", because that's imaginati-va. it's the vocative of the act of creating a form/face (chip) in your mind. which does not exist in english as such, unless you go to "mentally iconify" or somesuch barbarism.
14:57 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'представьте себе...'
14:57 mircea_popescu this word, incidentally, is like the english "set". means "ways, means, form, face, expression" etc.
14:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform isn't that more like vede, "see" ?
14:57 spyked asciilifeform, yes, found w4rez. and used it as reference. and the lisp evaluator works on simple programs (implemented most higher-order functions in it), but the code is organized like crap. and I'm not sure I made the correct cut between "builtin procedures" and e.g. keywords such as "lambda".
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14:57 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: neh, 'put forth to yourself'
14:57 mircea_popescu then exactly.
14:57 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you'll find that ro translates, generally, cleanly, to ru
14:57 asciilifeform and prolly other human languages
14:58 mod6 Hi all. So we're trying to figure out what we can do here regarding the s.mg hot-spare box.
14:58 mircea_popescu myeah.
14:58 asciilifeform ( vs island patois )
14:58 mircea_popescu mod6 last i heard and signed off on, alf's gonna put the cuntoo on the box as soon as you folks have it.
14:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: translates ok, as i currently see it , even to jp ( but asciilifeform would not yet undertake such a thing )
14:59 mircea_popescu asciilifeform for your lulz file, google thinks представьте себе = "represent yourself".
14:59 mircea_popescu note the ambiguity, "represent ~to others~"
14:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: google translator is pretty much same 1970s lultron as produced 'the vodka is tasty but the meat -- rotten' from 'spirit is willing but flesh is weak', famously
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14:59 mircea_popescu justaboot.
15:00 asciilifeform asciilifeform's pet is working through learning ru, and periodically succumbs to temptation of google translate as 'learning tool', with predictably lulzy result
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15:00 mircea_popescu putin doesn't understand how the world works.
15:01 asciilifeform the meat, see , was rotten!11
15:01 mod6 And what we're proposing is this: 1) the bitcoin foundation will give S.MG its SAMSUNG 1tb ssd - we can get that drive into the hot-spare-environment and get it racked in the next i.e. 48 hours. This will allow diana_coman to boot up and do whatever testing/gymnstaics she needs. meanwhile 2) Pizarro will make 1st order of 5 1tb ssds from shitazon and have those shipped asap. They should arrive by about mid
15:01 mod6 -july. 3) Upon receipt of the first drive shipment, we can add those additional drives to the hot-spare-evironment - as needed. They'll be earmarked for S.MG. 4) Pizarro will then actually place another order of 5 drives to be shipped just to have on hand.
15:02 mircea_popescu mod6 a) why not just sell it to pizarro and b) it's really no rush, end of the month's fine.
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15:02 asciilifeform mod6, mircea_popescu : it was my understanding that mircea_popescu & diana_coman wanted a test bed, and will eventually swap back to orig s.mg box; so not clear if the spare needs a full adult raid
15:02 mod6 I've just been told that I don't even need to give S.MG a drive, or sell it one. Apparently I misunderstood and there already is a drive available for this environment. Just one, and that's alwasys been there iirc.
15:02 mircea_popescu a ok. anyway, don't stress out about it neh.
15:03 mod6 asciilifeform: aha, they can decide to add the additional drives any time after the first shipment is received. Totally up to S.MG.
15:03 ben_vulpes nah no stress, workin out how to best serve s.mg
15:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the only catch is that "o wait, kernel now dun work"
15:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: can backup to the larger box, neh
15:04 mircea_popescu can what ?
15:04 asciilifeform ( or off-site, via net, like errybody )
15:04 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if disk failure is the concern
15:04 asciilifeform or do i misunderstand 'kernel now dunwork'
15:04 mircea_popescu no, the idea is, she stands up a working pile on the non-raid system, attempts to move it over, it don't boot, because raid.
15:04 mod6 Anyway, that's what I'm thinkin. We stand up what we have onhand for S.MG. And meanwhile, we order 5 1Tb SSDs for immediate shipment. When recieved, we ship another 5.
15:04 ben_vulpes box can come up for testing with the spare ssd drive held for s.mg raid redundancy; then reprovision with cuntoo later in the month and the fat stack of SSDs to flesh out the raid array for the production cutover.
15:04 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i procured, for this reason, identical raid cards for all
15:04 mircea_popescu ah, so then adult raid, just not adult populated. this seems fine.
15:04 asciilifeform correct
15:05 mircea_popescu right. i dun see a problem.
15:05 diana_coman sounds ok to me too
15:05 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828353 << Sam25218 23F "I think my vagina just made the windows shut down noise. Begone you irksome cockwomble."
15:05 a111 Logged on 2018-06-21 18:49 mircea_popescu: anyone wanna guess her comeback ?
15:05 mircea_popescu imagine, her netherparts run on microshit!
15:05 asciilifeform pretty great
15:05 asciilifeform couldn't make these up, i swear
15:05 mod6 bsov
15:05 mircea_popescu dumbass earnestly didn't even imagine how fucktardedly ridiculous she is.
15:06 mircea_popescu but i suppose this is what you get for wiping back to front
15:06 * asciilifeform misread as 'whipping back to front', was puzzled
15:07 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> mod6 a) why not just sell it to pizarro and b) it's really no rush, end of the month's fine. << thanks for the time horizon. we'll plan on getting the hot-spare racked and going for sure by end of June.
15:08 asciilifeform mod6: box is racked, needs disks, FG, nic cord.
15:08 mod6 we've got FGs, and iirc, we've also got two remaining USB-TTLs right?
15:08 * asciilifeform insisted on bolting the spare boxen into the rack, given as it is really 2man job
15:09 mod6 lobbes: you still wanna buy & ship some SSDs for pizarro for BTC? chat us up in #pizarro about the details.
15:12 mod6 im assuming we also have spare ethernet cords down ther
15:12 mod6 so we should be good to go then to meet our EoM deadline.
15:16 mod6 ok, seems like we only have 1 USB-TTL still available on site.
15:17 asciilifeform mod6: ben_vulpes the other day agreed to finally send his stash
15:17 * asciilifeform brb,meat
15:17 mod6 Maybe that's ok to just get one FG up and running for the test environment? We're shipping addtional ones down there asap as well. They'll come separately from the SSDs though.
15:17 mod6 (we'll obv. add the second one in there as soon as the addtional USB-TTLs arrive)
15:18 diana_coman mod6, when is the eta for having them?
15:18 diana_coman i.e. the ssds and the full set of fg
15:20 ben_vulpes end of july for the whole package
15:20 mircea_popescu mod6 one's plenty sure.
15:20 mircea_popescu hmm... did i just step in it ?
15:21 diana_coman mircea_popescu, it's certainly fine for testing at this stage; presumably later if we get everything compiling fine and bring eucrypt in we might want to have both but it's not at all a requirement atm
15:22 mircea_popescu if indeed we just move it back to old one during a wed downtime, we need nothing.
15:22 mircea_popescu anywya, just trying to work with these fellows within their surprising constraints.
15:22 mod6 ok sounds like a plan then. thanks for being flexible here.
15:23 diana_coman if we can indeed just move it over on a wed downtime then yes, not needed for sure;
15:23 mod6 i'll even go one further... if the FG USB-TTL becomes a pressing issue, for some reason, I'll give ya mine from my rockchip.
15:24 mod6 i'll take another one when the shipment arrives in .uy, no problem at all.
15:24 mircea_popescu that;s the hope, anywya. we see.
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16:38 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/wood-impregnated-in-oil-a-metaphor/ << Trilema - Wood impregnated in oil, a metaphor.
~ 32 minutes ~
17:10 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828348 << http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736830 << I see the discussion threads, but didn't find the post on thetarpit.org
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17:10 a111 Logged on 2018-06-21 18:47 asciilifeform: trinque: naa wasn't a heathen link, was selfmade thing
17:10 a111 Logged on 2017-11-12 23:07 spyked: in other news, I've been using most of my spare cycles lisping in ada. should be able to wrap up a blog post sharing a very minimal prototype (sane implem. of repl doing nothing but basic ops) in a few weeks. what I've got now adheres to most of ffa constraints. the current version isn't very clean, but getting there...
17:15 asciilifeform trinque: loox like it hasn't climbed to post level of yet
17:16 trinque nbd, just went a-lookin
17:28 ben_vulpes https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/19/17480912/github-ice-linkedin-scraping-employees << "no pretty please don't be hunting us down"
17:29 mircea_popescu in ongoing lulz, "A v Hoare, [2008] UKHL 6 is a leading tort case in British law, decided by the House of Lords in 2008. The Lords held that the limitation period for actions founded on torts of negligence may be disapplied where it is inequitable to enforce it."
17:31 mircea_popescu this resulted in a 50k win by the "victim" and a 800k win in "court costs".
17:34 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827686 << cannot hit that URL from here
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17:34 a111 Logged on 2018-06-20 07:38 lobbes: speaking of, trinque could I get http://blog.lobbesblog.com/feed/ added to blogroll?
17:35 trinque nor root of the site
17:49 hanbot http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828147 << that fucking movie. first, i was pissed off none of the characters were capable of saying ~anything~ of substance about [finance, trading, anything-at-all], then i realized it's an accurate portrayal. still not sure if the thing's deliberately honest or all responsible are so clueless the kitsch was actually supposed to impress.
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17:49 a111 Logged on 2018-06-21 16:33 mircea_popescu: rewatched http://trilema.com/2011/margin-call/ last nite ; hanbot was all "wtf is with these idiots, tax man takes 50% right off the top, and that's it ? no comment, not even a groan, not even 'how about you pay me the real amt you pay me rather than pretend double' zero ??"
~ 24 minutes ~
18:13 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: pretty lulzy; 'dox' of usg monkeys, posted to... shithub
18:13 asciilifeform weev-level wtf
18:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i had nfi brit prisoners could play lottery, lol
18:17 asciilifeform ( iirc in usa they cannot )
18:18 asciilifeform in usa they are sometimes able to publish books, tho, and routinely dekulakized by court
18:20 asciilifeform ( and other variations on the theme, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474626 )
18:20 a111 Logged on 2016-06-01 16:27 shinohai: http://ktla.com/2016/05/31/prosecutors-fight-to-stop-san-bernardino-shooters-family-from-getting-250000-life-insurance-claim/
18:23 asciilifeform https://archive.li/cwjsO << vintage lul via the hoare thing. rapee was given... medal.
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18:24 asciilifeform the Pantsuit Iron Cross, or sumthing.
18:25 asciilifeform 'The honours were created in 1917 by King George V during the First World War as a way of rewarding civilians and servicemen in support positions for their contribution to the war effort. Now they are used to recognise an achievement or service to the community in any area, such as the arts, charity or education. According to the Cabinet Office, an MBE is given for an "outstanding achievement or service to the community.'
18:25 asciilifeform didjaknow !!
18:27 asciilifeform obummernobel-grade lulz.
18:29 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828460 << nor from here. lobbes i suspect that your box is down
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18:29 a111 Logged on 2018-06-21 21:34 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827686 << cannot hit that URL from here
18:35 ben_vulpes hanbot: did you only cover debit cards in "state of the cards" and not gift cards because buying gift cards with btc is a terrible idea for some reason?
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18:35 asciilifeform re shithub-hosted 'dox' -- asciilifeform suspects that it is same dynamic as the oh-so-'oppressed' sov poet types who sent their megaworx straight to союз писателей , to be reliably oh-so-censored , rather than samizdat, for the obvious reason
18:36 asciilifeform (i.e. they're blue-usg, live on 'oh we are so censored'-by-redusg , more so than on bread )
18:37 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: didja turn up somebody claiming to do it ?
18:39 ben_vulpes btcfor.gifts
18:40 ben_vulpes (of all wacky dns entries)
18:41 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: didja try it ?
18:41 ben_vulpes incidentally, first btc affiliate program i've found in the wild, so will probably throw some change at them as well to see what comes of that
18:41 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: buy a small one, see what happens ?
18:41 asciilifeform ah ok
18:41 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i'm thinking about ~50 bucks worth, see if it works as promised
18:42 asciilifeform iirc this type of shop popped up periodically in the olden days
18:43 ben_vulpes same with the affiliate thing; 'a-ads'; i know mircea_popescu said that nobody uses anything but clickbank, but i can't pay 'em in btc and the amlkyc is thick over there as well; so, fifty bucks, see how bad the results can possibly be
18:43 ben_vulpes ("a-ads.com")
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18:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2018/wood-impregnated-in-oil-a-metaphor/#comment-126055
18:48 ben_vulpes who look to have bounced off the early republic sometime in 2014
18:50 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aarsenische+
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19:31 BingoBoingo <mod6> ok, seems like we only have 1 USB-TTL still available on site. << We have 2
19:31 BingoBoingo At least
19:32 mod6 ahh, nice!
19:32 mod6 thanks for the update BingoBoingo
19:40 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828463 << in the usual poltronish manner of the place, they'll argue both.
19:40 a111 Logged on 2018-06-21 21:49 hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828147 << that fucking movie. first, i was pissed off none of the characters were capable of saying ~anything~ of substance about [finance, trading, anything-at-all], then i realized it's an accurate portrayal. still not sure if the thing's deliberately honest or all responsible are so clueless the kitsch was actually supposed to impress.
19:40 hanbot http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828479 << nah, not specifically. just not-in-scope.
19:40 a111 Logged on 2018-06-21 22:35 ben_vulpes: hanbot: did you only cover debit cards in "state of the cards" and not gift cards because buying gift cards with btc is a terrible idea for some reason?
19:41 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828472 << quite so. for "her merits".
19:41 a111 Logged on 2018-06-21 22:23 asciilifeform: https://archive.li/cwjsO << vintage lul via the hoare thing. rapee was given... medal.
19:42 hanbot re "they'll argue both" -- i'm sure, i don't expect to get an answer out of *them* lol
19:46 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828492 << the results are bad in the sense discussed in http://trilema.com/2012/coinurl-a-bitcoin-advertising-service/ / http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-june-2015-statement/#footnote_3_62044
19:46 a111 Logged on 2018-06-21 22:43 ben_vulpes: ("a-ads.com")
19:46 mircea_popescu to put it shortly, one line here is ~infinity% the advertising any such item can produce for you. they have 0 base.
19:47 mircea_popescu leaving aside the quite obvious question of why would one even entertain a wanna-be bitcoin thing that's uppity enough to not be here in the first place.
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19:48 mircea_popescu since we're doing "ancient trilemas apparently nobody read", i guess could also add http://trilema.com/2012/advertising-on-digitalpoint/ (which'd have been the natural comparison point to the "digitalpoint advertising report" i'm guessing absolutely is not getting done, unless i put it on hanbot's plate or something. blergh.)
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20:11 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/06/us-supreme-courts-mentions-but-does-not-influence-bitcoin-covetous-bryer-abuses-language-suggesting-taxman-steal-a-bit-more/ << Qntra - US Supreme Courts Mentions But Does Not Influence Bitcoin Covetous Bryer Abuses Language Suggesting Taxman Steal A Bit More
20:20 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: can haz link re the current-day sad-wykeham ?
20:21 mircea_popescu some dood williamson, dunno what link ?
20:21 asciilifeform where did he 'unknowable heap level'
20:21 asciilifeform does this live on the net somewhere
20:22 mircea_popescu um i dunno if it does. lessee
20:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform turns out you're in luck, https://www.jstor.org/stable/20012695
20:22 asciilifeform oh hah , ty
20:23 mircea_popescu though i would propose you do not spend 40 bucks for those 13 pages.
20:23 asciilifeform lol paywall. but asciilifeform can't even be arsed to excavate the warez, pg1 says it all
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20:23 asciilifeform ~shannonizer.
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20:23 mircea_popescu anyway, this isn't by any means a recent event.
20:24 asciilifeform didn't think it was
20:24 mircea_popescu it's been the laughingstock of people in the field for years.
20:28 asciilifeform 'fda grade a' liquishit; sokal nervously smokes in corner
20:31 asciilifeform re the giftcard thing, vintage lultrain comes to mind, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-13#499338 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-09#1667724
20:31 a111 Logged on 2014-02-13 01:04 asciilifeform: incidentally, if the avaricious idiots move everybody to RFID cards sans crypto challenge/response (as appears to be the plan) - every ATM becomes a btc-ATM.
20:31 a111 Logged on 2017-06-09 16:08 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/i1Usl << from same fishwrap >> 'Two members of the US Army National Guard have been convicted of running a credit card fraud scheme involving bitcoin... using bitcoins to purchase stolen credit and debit card numbers... using magnetic strip re-encoding tools to apply stolen numbers to dummy cards, after which they would buy merchandise from Army and Air Force Exchange Service stores at US military bases, as well a
20:31 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828522 << quite exactly, very much in the sense of ... damn, where's that discussion in the logs about the idiot who perceives it's more productive to her to say "something new" than something meaningful ?
20:31 a111 Logged on 2018-06-22 00:23 asciilifeform: ~shannonizer.
20:32 mircea_popescu in any case, it's the necessary collision of that whole process when it finally loses historicity, and "something new" is "inept bullshit smoked by schoolchildren nine centuries ago"
20:33 mircea_popescu this moron literally DID NOT KNOW the position is not even novel, stupid as it may be.
20:33 asciilifeform that'd require chukcha to be a reader !
20:33 asciilifeform chukcha is not reader.
20:33 asciilifeform chukcha -- writer.
20:33 mircea_popescu his history | grep returned no direct matches and that's it, because he has had a terminal open since the dawn of philosophy and also his regexp magically sees through indirection.
20:34 asciilifeform his 'terminal', running with the analogy, is a winblowz shell. no grep.
20:34 mircea_popescu the whole bumbling edifice of them, "oh, moron idiotssen's ~~~contribution~~~ to mathematics is pointing out that spheres are perfect figures"
20:34 mircea_popescu yes tyvm, scholastical geometry ftw. much productive line of thought.
20:35 asciilifeform ( recently it came out, incidentally, that many nato reich 'universities' can no longer afford to feed the paywalls they themselves throw crapola behind )
20:35 mircea_popescu anyway, whatever, it's the best they can do because it's what they need to believe to continue in the vein of idiocy and so on. whatevs, they really are their own adequate punishments.
20:43 asciilifeform upstack -- err, 1st link in atm lulz oughta have been http://btcbase.org/log/2013-04-04#-33357
20:43 a111 Logged on 2013-04-04 19:17 asciilifeform: consider a hardware widget that receives a single-use CC number (for $X) from a hypothetical BTC-enabled bank and writes it to a blank physical ATM card, when you send the bank $X equiv. of BTC.
20:46 asciilifeform in misc vintage lulz from that thread , http://btcbase.org/log/2013-04-04#-33295 actually has since come troo, something like 100% of ru variant of 'sr dope market' deliveries today are via dead drop
20:46 a111 Logged on 2013-04-04 19:43 asciilifeform: and virtually nobody appears to be the least bit interested in my (or anyone else's) ideas for cutting the fiat world out of the loop (I suggested product delivery via dead drops, flying machines, other crackpot nuttery)
20:46 mircea_popescu im not going to ask you for an interwebs link :D
20:46 asciilifeform there's like 9000 , mostly 'yet another dead dropper prosecuted'
20:47 asciilifeform the young'uns see it as 'easy money'
20:47 mircea_popescu aha.
20:47 asciilifeform 'take these film canisters and bury in places x, y, z, in such-and-such park'
20:48 asciilifeform 'закладчики'
20:49 asciilifeform https://archive.li/kC8fJ << picked at ~random.
20:50 asciilifeform there's a ~separate species of dopehead nao, who go 'treasure hunting' without having paid; sometimes get beaten
20:50 asciilifeform ( or arrested, confused for emplacers )
20:55 asciilifeform sentences, supposedly , now >= for murder, this hasn't , reportedly, cut down on the queue of treasure-buriers.
21:04 asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVjUSGHg0ZU << for dedicated entomologist, typical specimens.
21:14 asciilifeform http://imperiya.by/video/OSHwzlyCAC0/zaderjanyi-zakladchiki-psihotropov.html << shorter, ditto.
21:16 asciilifeform afaik this custom has not spread in usa yet. ( tho tbf i dun follow subj )
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22:23 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1827972 << i was trying to figure out how that would happen on same machine between invocations until i realized that's neither the issue nor what is going on
22:23 a111 Logged on 2018-06-21 04:55 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1827945 << "memory optimization" for one thing.
22:25 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828088 << ah ty, i didn't realize that was done on top of shiva
22:25 a111 Logged on 2018-06-21 16:13 mircea_popescu: phf there were takers, mod6 working on rawtx recall ?
22:26 mod6 hm?
22:27 mod6 The rawtx stuff I've been working on, just is with the old rpc interface. It's going alright, btw, working through the signrawtransaction part. It's a bit hairy.
22:28 mod6 I did the others, and sendrawtransaction last year. Getting closer to a point where I can at least test and see where it stands.
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22:49 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828378 << distinctions like that are often subtle and a matter of taste, but as long as the overal approach is informed now might be a good time to paste what you have.
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22:49 a111 Logged on 2018-06-21 18:57 spyked: asciilifeform, yes, found w4rez. and used it as reference. and the lisp evaluator works on simple programs (implemented most higher-order functions in it), but the code is organized like crap. and I'm not sure I made the correct cut between "builtin procedures" and e.g. keywords such as "lambda".
22:52 mircea_popescu mod6 oh i thought you were using the tinyscheme
22:53 mod6 Ah, no. After the educational dive and I have something that works, could take that knowledge and implement it differently perhaps.
22:54 mircea_popescu guess i got confused!
22:54 * asciilifeform if it wasnt clear, highly disrecommends the continued use of shiva/tscheme for anyffing trb-related
22:54 mod6 No worries. This all stems from the failed back-port.
22:55 mod6 I've been able to build out the rpc calls without all kinds of crazy class changes to the rest of the code, thus far at least.
22:55 mod6 asciilifeform: yeah, we kinda laid that to rest a while back.
22:55 asciilifeform aha
22:59 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828567 << ideally would be the smallest working 'fits in head' lisp, no frills ( no gc, etc )
22:59 a111 Logged on 2018-06-22 02:49 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828378 << distinctions like that are often subtle and a matter of taste, but as long as the overal approach is informed now might be a good time to paste what you have.
22:59 phf i don't think LiSP even covers gc until much later
22:59 asciilifeform 0 optimizations that'd add any mass.
23:00 phf but if he's following along with the book the result should be sufficiently morphable
23:01 asciilifeform ideally (while we're doing idealiae) would have all parsing-related routines, save for 'getchar' and 'putchar', in 'itself'
23:01 * asciilifeform fucking hates tinyscheme's approach of 'gnarly procedural coad for parsing'
23:02 asciilifeform 'tis much better imho to include some handsewn 'bytecode' in an array init value, that'd implement the parsing, than the ts-style procedural approach
23:03 * mircea_popescu remembers the good old days when parsing was done ~by the keyboard~, as in the z80 basic.
23:03 asciilifeform ( naturally, commented )
23:03 mircea_popescu push this here button labeled "inkey$" for your eyes only, meatsack.
23:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what parsing, lol, in basic
23:03 mircea_popescu yes well.
23:03 asciilifeform was like 3state statemachine
23:03 phf correct approach is of course common lisp's readtable, but i don't think LiSP covers that
23:05 mircea_popescu in other antiqua, https://www.msx.org/wiki/What_is_MSX%3F
23:05 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1591147 << oblig 80s basic
23:05 a111 Logged on 2016-12-27 17:45 asciilifeform: http://www.retro.co.za/ccc/apple2/paulrsm/6502/INTLST.TXT << woz's much more compact (4kB) float-less basic.
23:08 mircea_popescu meanwhile in dating apps, social media, etcetera https://78.media.tumblr.com/1046e1aa855eea8cdb64d0ca88d98809/tumblr_n95eyz7TzL1tvfj6qo1_1280.jpg
23:09 mod6 heh
23:24 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828521 << https://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/6438 john c mallery (for log readers, current symbolics copyright hoarder) and his main contribution to ai memos
23:24 a111 Logged on 2018-06-22 00:23 asciilifeform: lol paywall. but asciilifeform can't even be arsed to excavate the warez, pg1 says it all
23:24 phf "Hermeneutics: From Textual Explication to Computer Understanding?"
23:26 mircea_popescu sigh.
23:27 mircea_popescu motherfucker this thing is offensive.
23:27 mircea_popescu i see your
23:28 mircea_popescu "Hermeneutics, a branch of continental European philosophy concerned with human understanding and the interpretation of written texts, offers insights that may contribute to the understanding of meaning, translation, architectures for natural language understanding, and even to the methods suitable for scientific inquiry in AI. After briefly reviewing the historical development of hermeneutics as a method of interpretation, t
23:28 mircea_popescu his article examines the contributions of hermeneutics to the human sciences."
23:28 mircea_popescu and raise you a
23:28 asciilifeform !#s mallery
23:28 a111 23 results for "mallery", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mallery
23:28 asciilifeform ^ see also
23:29 mircea_popescu unsolicited 25F Domme "How about you drop whate..." Is all your subject line shows to me. From glancing at your profile, I assume it was a half ass attempt to order me to do or not do something. Either way, you bore me. Yawn.
23:29 mircea_popescu LordMPofTMSR 37M Master Do you find this pompous busllhit approach ever delivers anything ?
23:29 mircea_popescu unsolicited 25F Domme "Do you find this pompous bullshit approach ever delivers anything ?" Ha. Back at ya. People can read into words with whatever tone or inflection they'd care to imagine. If you think I have to try at all, you're mistaken. I have minimal information on my profile coupled with few photos and I'm already getting new notifications and messages daily. I'm more than happy to wait to organically meet someone I'
23:29 mircea_popescu d consider having as my mentor at an actual event in person. Anything else is extra. Otherwise, you can reread my profile. I'm not to be tamed and I am not taking in any submissives.
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23:29 mircea_popescu LordMPofTMSR 37M Master In fucken boise ?! Aaaalright, there's silly, then there's dumb, then there's this, not even sure what to call it. Boise, I guess. Have a great one.
23:29 asciilifeform ( tldr - long and enthusiastic career of service to hitler )
23:29 mircea_popescu because THIS is what it fucking is, you understand me ? 100% no exceptiopns this. "25F domme" ==== usgtarded "scientist" ; and "hermeneutics, that european branch" === "boise, is where ima find my life, and the ummin and thurin stones the angel of morons left behind for me"
23:30 mircea_popescu the provincialism of ustards is not even infuriating it's so god damned subhuman.
23:30 asciilifeform land of potato-plenty
23:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i recently described "last tango in paris" as "some chick gets raped by a potato".
23:31 asciilifeform lol!
23:31 mircea_popescu because that's what fucking happens ; the potato-plenty has resulted in potato-jaws on potato-skulls.
23:32 phf boise? where's that?
23:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: enlighten me, do reformatted 'domme' make better pets ? or why else to bother with such
23:33 asciilifeform phf: presumably idaho
23:33 mircea_popescu idaho.
23:33 mircea_popescu WORLDS FAMOUST POTATERS!
23:33 asciilifeform even asciilifeform knew!11
23:33 hanbot "organically meet someone" 0_o
23:33 phf is humor, see, ivan, they think center of earth, but really asshole of america
23:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you realise, nothing a 20something yo female has to say is meaningful.
23:34 mircea_popescu what do you propose, that if tomorrow cow starts calling itself astronauts ima desist ribeye ?
23:34 phf asciilifeform: i imagine mp casts a wide net, but it's the "doms" that provide most luls
23:34 asciilifeform maekssense
23:35 mircea_popescu phf some chick was like "oh, i expect it's a game of numbers" and i was like "nope. i talk to everyone. statistics is not related to plenitudes."
23:36 asciilifeform twist : shitlife co. wrote eliza to emulate these chix!!11
23:37 mircea_popescu part of the effort is me aspiring to divinity, evidently, but part is exactly that curiosity.
23:37 mircea_popescu i so far dun think so.
23:37 asciilifeform ( they, or at least the presented here specimens, do seem to follow pattern... )
23:37 mircea_popescu i mean, dating sites are ~100% Mechanize::blabla ; but the facebooks twitters etc not yet.
23:39 mircea_popescu asciilifeform indulge, what is it ?
23:42 phf well for one, they all talk like the doms they've seen on tv, "i bore me now" "run along little pet" i mean what's next "beg, worm"?
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23:43 phf *you bore, but it's a freudian typo
23:43 mircea_popescu anyway, back to the root : some inept, clueless servant girl from the shtetl calling herself "domme", some unemployed railroad worker calling himself "wykeham professor of logic", some fucktard calling himself "working for google", these are all STRICTLY the same thing, of the nature of gomer pyle calling itself a heap and the tv set calling itself Boshiba.
23:44 mircea_popescu tulpas, tulpas eerywhere.
23:44 mircea_popescu i suppose we have stalin to thank for that.
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