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00:00 asciilifeform i suspect , the man himself did not know, had own dr.morrell
00:00 asciilifeform 'here's your vitamin shot, mein fuhrer'
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00:16 ben_vulpes gabriel_laddel: for poor fuxx like you and me there is only the trilemman 'plan for wealth'
00:17 gabriel_laddel yeah no
00:17 ben_vulpes but rest easy meine freunde there is nothing easier in this world than ballooning your leverage and socking pennies away in btc
00:18 ben_vulpes heh well what getrichquickscheme have y'lit upon now
00:19 gabriel_laddel same one. lisp machine. bulletproofed case & sold to mass market as "save your kid in event of school shooting"
00:19 ben_vulpes to steal a mircea_popescu-ism: nuts.
00:20 ben_vulpes !!up gabriel_laddel
00:20 deedbot gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
00:22 gabriel_laddel *shrugs* I'm interested in the lispm. BTC is incidental. Interesting, but incidental. Have sold my absolutely-not-a-lispm in the past & plan to continue doing so in the future. Last time around I was homeless, couldn't get rides to meetups, no ebay account etc. This time around, not so much.
00:24 ben_vulpes look i admire your determination but there's no leverage and no market anywhere to be seen; you could be patient, scraping down food credits and suffering now for what will be an entire IC two decades from now had ye the foresight to not waste your time picking rags
00:25 ben_vulpes which, make no mistake, is precisely what you're doing. pulling refuse from the usgstani fabrication pipeline and "oh dear sir or madam, this posey to spare your child from the plague i mean hailofbullets"
00:26 ben_vulpes https://bugs.chromium.org/p/project-zero/issues/detail?id=1559
00:27 * ben_vulpes to gentoo basement, bbl
00:27 gabriel_laddel fuck patience. That attitude is why we don't have one now. If people had just generally been less of a bunch of complete girly-men at symbolics, or the MIT AI lab, or Franz, or or or we'd have something that's close enough to "troo lispm" for me, even if ascii would be unhappy about it.
00:28 gabriel_laddel but no, they want to "be reasonable", "hold jobs", "have a place to stay", "not do hard drugs" and on and on it goes
00:30 ben_vulpes they had no wot, gabriel_laddel
00:30 ben_vulpes no wot and no non-statally controlled monetary base, and so could build nothing sane.
00:31 ben_vulpes because 'britneyization', the crushing drive to make everything as cheap, of as few and the cheapest atoms possible in order to sell it at the largest scale to the greatest number of people, because this is how socialism works: big tents, eyeballs, "hamburgers served", number of voters
00:32 ben_vulpes and the starkest, most bleak indictment of all, no great men to serve
00:33 ben_vulpes gabriel_laddel: there is much enjoyment to be had in building great moocow milking machines
00:34 ben_vulpes not in the work itself, innards of windows and "whitelabled mobile experiences" are only worthwhile insofar as they drain the beasts of their lifeblood
00:35 ben_vulpes there is nothing "reasonable" about the trilema plan for wealth, come on now.
00:35 gabriel_laddel I'd rather sell crack/arms/precursors than milk moocows.
00:39 ben_vulpes i've yet to see evidence of you doing either, so the objection cannot stand.
00:39 ben_vulpes flail in the dark on your own if you must.
00:44 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807470 << lol, apparently asciilifeform is doingitallwrong!11!
00:44 a111 Logged on 2018-05-02 04:28 gabriel_laddel: but no, they want to "be reasonable", "hold jobs", "have a place to stay", "not do hard drugs" and on and on it goes
00:45 asciilifeform !!up gabriel_laddel
00:45 deedbot gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
00:47 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform loper-os http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807481 is utterly revolutionary & I wouldn't dream of implying that.
00:47 a111 Logged on 2018-05-02 04:44 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807470 << lol, apparently asciilifeform is doingitallwrong!11!
00:48 asciilifeform i mean, tbf, i haven't tried doing things via the gabriel_laddel way, of yet.
00:49 gabriel_laddel But adali? BB? The old ex-mit-ai-lab guy I met who now just tutors kids in math & DOESNT EVEN TEACH THEM LISP?! Or the other ex-symbolics people?
00:49 gabriel_laddel Fuck em.
00:50 gabriel_laddel *adlai
00:50 asciilifeform folx make fun of 'lsd on roofs' but whirling dervish life prolly has something to recommend it..
00:52 ben_vulpes gabriel_laddel: i gotta point out that precursors, arms and crack are *all* milkings.
00:53 gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes fair point. But at least it isn't netbeans
00:53 ben_vulpes there are three things to do: britneyize, lash yourself to another man's oar, or be the visionary superman
00:54 ben_vulpes and i get the appeal of visionary supermandom but dude upcycling craptops with a hilarious gentoonotalisp is very shy of that mark
00:56 gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes what do we get out of populating the infodb with s-expression sources and editing with SETF rather than working through files?
00:56 ben_vulpes it is such an asinine question, mon frere
00:57 ben_vulpes wanking over the wallpaper doesn't kneecap the megastate one whit
00:57 ben_vulpes these are tools of intelligence amplification, done correctly. users/eyeballs/hitcounters are *the* antipattern.
00:57 gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes okay, so where do fexpers stand? Can we do away with them given our SETF-editor & populated infodb?
00:58 ben_vulpes IA is for that revered fourth, fifth and sixth standard deviation; not for teh everyonez
00:58 ben_vulpes gabriel_laddel: it doesn't matter for so long as the incans control the fabs.
00:58 gabriel_laddel like, since we already know WHO-MACROEXPANDS, just iterate infodb & re macroexpand.
00:59 ben_vulpes right. put another way, why are you so obsessed over this nominally-solved problem to such a degree that you'd deprive the republic of a capitalized sapper
00:59 gabriel_laddel F-
01:01 ben_vulpes gabriel_laddel: why would i give a shit when you seem dedicated to the penurious style that'll prevent you from ever delivering on the implications.
01:02 ben_vulpes i can have the software written, by devoted historians i train myself or who've built a relationship upon delivery and savvy over years of wot relationships
01:08 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807489 << wait, you object to bingoboingo's moving to uruguay ? or just ... in general ?
01:08 a111 Logged on 2018-05-02 04:49 gabriel_laddel: Fuck em.
01:09 mircea_popescu i suppose the correct construction is that he simply doesn't know what's going on. aanyways.
01:10 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807501 << technically speaking, it's for everyone ; the problem is that for the average man intelligence amplification takes a shape very much indistinguishable from sheer pain.
01:10 a111 Logged on 2018-05-02 04:58 ben_vulpes: IA is for that revered fourth, fifth and sixth standard deviation; not for teh everyonez
01:11 mircea_popescu which is why ux is such a terrible field. it's caught in this fundamental tension, between moomoos "wanting" to stay moomoos on one hand, and "doctor, my eye hurts every time i take a sip of my coffee" on the other.
01:12 mircea_popescu the eastern/orthodox expression being "durerea-i ziditoare", ie, pain [builds] the kingdom of heaven
01:12 mircea_popescu though, obviously, not any-and-all of it.
01:24 mircea_popescu meanwhile in excellent posture, https://78.media.tumblr.com/0ccf28335e17ac7a6f67befe32bf7b07/tumblr_nq38oiYEpj1tfaasio1_1280.jpg
01:25 ben_vulpes and notbad lighting!
01:25 mircea_popescu indeed.
01:26 ben_vulpes http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-2#346916 << "On a system I'm testing on, in practice, the RNG just reads the DMI table and then, since the DMI table is way bigger than 64 bytes, immediately moves to crng_init==1 without using even a single sample of interrupt randomness."
01:26 mimisbrunnr Logged on 2018-05-02 04:15 ben_vulpes: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/project-zero/issues/detail?id=1559
01:26 mircea_popescu !Qlater tell bingoboingo is this right, 3035+3058 ?
01:26 lobbesbot mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
01:27 mircea_popescu !Qlater tell bingoboingo also were there errors to be rectified from b4 or anything ?
01:27 lobbesbot mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
01:28 * ben_vulpes is a day behind, will attend to invoices that need indepth review tomorrow; outstanding invoices will go out this pm
01:40 ben_vulpes http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2016-12-30#76508 << i'm still wrapping my head around dirty reads and how database concurrency implementation strategies affect the possibility; here's a breadcrumb on the trail http://www.interdb.jp/pg/pgsql05.html
01:40 mimisbrunnr Logged on 2016-12-30 17:14 mircea_popescu: it really should be up to operator wtf, if i want to read dirty let me read dirty what sort of decision is this for designer to make.
01:43 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes, consider the eminent case of apache serving mp-wp. the fact that at t1 i updated the article list and at t2 the db read the stale t0 version makes EXACTLY NO DIFFERENCE.
01:44 mircea_popescu it's way the fuck better to ~serve~ even if the article is epsilon seconds "too old" than to hang while you update, or even fucking worse, reject the connection.
01:45 mircea_popescu in the case of trilema, for instance, the db serving articles FROM YESTERDAY OR EARLIER ONLY, ie, 86400000000 microseconds old, is still 99% of the job done. cuz most of the time you're not even using it for "the latest", and even if there is a latest in any meaningful sense it's many millions / billions / trillions microseconds old anyway.
01:47 ben_vulpes my attention is on the original phuctorgenic goal of "i don't care about your concurrency controls, gimme whatever's in the page ritenao!"
01:47 mircea_popescu and even more complicated dirty mixes, whereby eg "the article -- new ; but the comments -- old, so we are serving a false imaginary situation that never could have existed irl!!!" is still... no harm done WHATSOEVER.
01:47 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes, that case is really no different ; phuctor is just a mechanized trilema with a narrow focus.
01:51 ben_vulpes pg "SSI" does this correctly afaik; would serve coherent versions of comments and article i believe.
01:51 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: didja ever benchmark running mpwp on postgres?
01:51 mircea_popescu like a decade ago
01:51 ben_vulpes heh
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03:22 mircea_popescu meanwhile in tech, https://78.media.tumblr.com/6814f5228bb204fb3bfca0f25822a272/tumblr_naiw51dkhV1s7ch8qo1_1280.jpg
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04:21 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/chicks-in-pantsuits-winning-arguments-with-yours-truly-a-comedic-goldmine-of-lulz-and-tears/ << Trilema - Chicks in pantsuits winning arguments with yours truly, a comedic goldmine of lulz and tears.
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05:52 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806773 <-- was it http://danluu.com/input-lag/ ? anyway, leaving this here for entomology.
05:52 a111 Logged on 2018-04-30 22:04 asciilifeform: ( and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560740 , and there was a particular link some time in past yr which i now cannot find, where someone actually went and ~measured~ the reaction time delay of msdos, various winblowz boxen from past 20yr, crapple, bolix, etc etc and found exactly what i'd expect him to find )
05:57 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1807007 <-- fwiw I've used the sha512 branch of vtools and will continue to until existing trees get reground with keccak.
05:57 a111 Logged on 2018-05-01 16:25 phf: ight have time to sit down with v.pl before mid may. i can also just remove the right hand side of vtools for now, since this new complexity is coming from an experimental v graph anyway. i've no idea though if people are using a sha512 vtools in preference of awk vdiff / gnu patch.
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07:03 spyked speaking of which; to all ircbot users: I have a patch proposal for ircbot (and possibly logbot). the problem: nickserv authentication makes a distinction between "nickname" and "user". this allows e.g. to group multiple irc bots (with different nicks) under a single username and cloak. so my proposal is to add a new *optional* "user" slot to ircbot and use it for auth instead of "nick" when available
07:05 spyked current patch draft is at http://lmogo.xyz/v/patches/ircbot-nickserv-auth-add-user-slot.vpatch ; and sig http://lmogo.xyz/v/seals/ircbot-nickserv-auth-add-user-slot.vpatch.spyked.sig . I'm not very sure that my changes to make-ircbot are proper, so I am eager to hear your feedback
07:06 spyked I've added the "user" slot as a keyword argument to highlight optionality, but not sure whether this is the right way to go about it.
07:07 spyked given the growing number of args, I'd rather personally have them all be keyword args.
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09:21 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A4CB883A7C6041E87BA7FEDCFEC583AB986A75CAE5ACB933BA02DD5BF566966C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1724...5429 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.168.230.78 (ssh-rsa key from 83.168.230.78 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.concretefloor.com. SE)
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10:44 lobbes Neato spyked. Though, I'll be honest, I don't think I've ever grouped nicks under a user via NickServ. Besides the cloaking, what other utility is there to grouping in this way?
10:46 lobbes I'll probably be splitting lobbesbot into several seperate bots over the coming months/year, so now I am curious
10:46 * lobbes bbl
10:58 spyked lobbes, in general nicks grouped under a user might inherit other properties (e.g. op privileges), but I'm not sure whether this has any utility for bots. I only used it as a very cheap way to get cloak for bots, though probably the correct approach would be to register a user per nick.
11:07 * spyked is of course curious to hear if this is considered an anti-feature by republican standards. but has used it for a while now.
11:08 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807540 << indeed it was! ty spyked !
11:08 a111 Logged on 2018-05-02 09:52 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806773 <-- was it http://danluu.com/input-lag/ ? anyway, leaving this here for entomology.
11:09 asciilifeform tho i wonder how he measured the bolix 3620; back when i had mine, it most certainly did not 'feel like' winblowz-levels of i/o lag
11:10 asciilifeform ( iirc in old thread we discussed this: asciilifeform suspects that 'subjective lag' is not a function of absolute delay, but of ~variation~ in same )
11:25 spyked from what I understood, he measured all of them by filming the keypress-to-screen latency with a high fps camera. though this begs the question of what even means "keypress registered" in case of software kbds. at least he put the touchscreens in another table.
11:30 mircea_popescu spyked, there's about 0 interest in importing nickserv behaviours as some kind of perpetual legacy.
11:30 mircea_popescu managing yet-another-ad-hoc-dns... meh.
11:38 * spyked agrees. and also wonders why the whole "cloaks are a privilege handed by fleanode staff" etc. still, uses the bit above for the time being and would have been odd to keep to himself.
11:38 mircea_popescu nwwt.
11:47 * mircea_popescu shall bbl.
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12:04 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A4CB883A7C6041E87BA7FEDCFEC583AB986A75CAE5ACB933BA02DD5BF566966C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1503...6339 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.168.230.78 (ssh-rsa key from 83.168.230.78 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.concretefloor.com. SE)
12:18 trinque it's amazing how much gabriel_laddel reminds me of an old boss. nearly drank himself to death, grand mission to turn the www into a distributed db. the obsessive ones like this only get un-stuck by the threat of death, which is why they try as they might to impose it upon themselves.
12:18 asciilifeform trinque: was it the sql master d00d from old thread ?
12:19 trinque it was
12:19 trinque also a "semantic web" guy
12:20 asciilifeform i admit to a little curiosity re what 'turn into distributed db' meant ( can query it ? who supplies the 10^9000 cpu cycles ..? )
12:23 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D7F05A220F5EBBE004FBA7875F58A250B066D40105C456157DB011E3B5961101 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1676...5063 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.55.50.58 (ssh-rsa key from 92.55.50.58 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RU)
12:23 trinque taking the simple case of a blog, node serves up a metadata endpoint that says "posts, comments, etc" and their structure. client can take suggestion from the server on how to display these, or can use whatever it likes on its end instead.
12:24 trinque nodes can also describe transformations from one schema to another, so your "post" table's cols map to mine via a given function
12:24 trinque whole project started at far too high a stack of chairs, atop postgres, browser, etc
12:24 asciilifeform rright, i can picture this-much, but how did d00d's scheme get around the 'all-comers can make you spend 9000 cpu cycles whenever for the asking' problem.
12:25 trinque guy had no notion of WoT, of gossipd, or anything. he's firmly an "our democracy" believer
12:25 trinque made no attempt to solve many unavoidable problems, in pursuit of desired "UX"
12:26 asciilifeform surely had a notion that, e.g., spam, exists ?
12:26 asciilifeform or are we talking about a d00d circa 1992 or somesuch
12:28 trinque postgres can serve up "materialized views" pretty damned fast; that's what would've been the caching solution, similar to what's done with webshits currently
12:28 asciilifeform caching still costs sumthing
12:29 trinque sure, and this was a guy that was spending his own money because "eventually we'll figure out what to do with UX"
12:30 asciilifeform in the end died of vodka ?
12:31 trinque eh, aged beyond his years, but alive
12:31 * trinque left a long while ago
12:31 asciilifeform trinque: any idea what d00d is up to nao ?
12:34 trinque nah not in touch. told him he was among the worst leaders I'd ever labored under, and that was that.
12:34 asciilifeform aa
12:47 asciilifeform trinque: determination is orthogonal to correctness, elementarily; and so i suspect that most folx's experience with inventors, should they have any, resembles this one, 'fella worked on perpetuum mobile under meth for 20yrs , then went broke, drank'
12:48 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807523 << This evening I will run through the last several months reports to check for any outstanding issues
12:48 a111 Logged on 2018-05-02 05:27 mircea_popescu: !Qlater tell bingoboingo also were there errors to be rectified from b4 or anything ?
12:48 lobbesbot BingoBoingo: Sent 11 hours and 21 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> is this right, 3035+3058 ?
12:48 lobbesbot BingoBoingo: Sent 11 hours and 20 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> also were there errors to be rectified from b4 or anything ?
12:53 lobbes Superman visionaries >> http://achewood.com/index.php?date=03302004
12:56 asciilifeform lobbes: not wholly unrelated ancientthread, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-25#808005
12:56 a111 Logged on 2014-08-25 03:08 asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems
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14:29 asciilifeform hey trinque , is it possible to cleanly remove the 8191-byte limitation for indexed fields in postgresql ?
14:31 asciilifeform trinque: turns out, phuctor www end spends ~80% of cpu cycles in sequential scan for modulus, because index refused to be created. ( and no, 'hash them' is not solution, phuctor gotta be able to store ANY set of moduli, and not merely e.g. 512bits of possible ones )
14:32 asciilifeform ^ mircea_popescu , ben_vulpes , other sqlists..? ^
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14:59 * ben_vulpes nfi
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17:53 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807521 << That is right, no outstanding errors have been found
17:53 a111 Logged on 2018-05-02 05:26 mircea_popescu: !Qlater tell bingoboingo is this right, 3035+3058 ?
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18:12 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/05/us-boy-scouts-get-neuter-gendered-rename/ << Qntra - US Boy Scouts Get Neuter Gendered Rename
18:27 mircea_popescu "determination is orthogonal to correctness, elementarily" << fortunately, determination is not an elementary item, but can be further broken down and classified. there's the sort of determination resulting from narcissism, where it is simply fueled by the [perceived] cost of changing the other side, "what do you mean my model of sexuality and society is wrong, this'd mean i'd have to have a long talk with the woman in my hou
18:27 mircea_popescu se".
18:31 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo, ty.
18:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, i'm certain this is not something postgres can do.
18:33 mircea_popescu unless you bother to actually find and edit the magic numbers and recompile, which is about on par with rewriting the damned thing.
18:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: meanwhile i made it do it ( not deployed to production yet, still in test.. )
18:33 mircea_popescu partial multiindexes ?
18:34 asciilifeform used hashistic index followed by collision test
18:34 asciilifeform ( as taught in kindergarten )
18:35 mircea_popescu aha
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18:53 asciilifeform aaaaaand deployed.
18:54 asciilifeform ( how to test ? load e.g. various links from http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/factor/2 , observe msec, rather than sec-halfminute as before, load times... )
18:55 trinque very nice!
18:55 asciilifeform later, i'ma add this to the eater
18:55 asciilifeform ( the mixed-blessing of which will be to shorten the 'fuel tank' from 'months' to 'weeks' i suspect )
18:56 * asciilifeform brb,meat
18:59 mircea_popescu nothing wrong with that.
19:00 asciilifeform the day aint far when the thing will be able to tell you , e.g., 'yer router is nsatronic', the minute you plug it in (i.e. realtime scan an' probe-against-db, no need to queue'em )
19:01 * asciilifeform brb for realz
19:02 mircea_popescu nice indeed.
19:03 mircea_popescu incidentally zx2c4 you familiar with all the phuctor work ? http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you/ and all that ?
19:04 mircea_popescu just in case you're still belabouring under the misapprehension that the usg puppet show is a "field" with "experts" and whatnot, that is.
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21:11 esthlos mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1807012 << to be clear, what fix?
21:11 a111 Logged on 2018-05-01 16:29 mircea_popescu: but we have esthlos waited on a fix, and then there's whatever you were waiting to publish. so i'm guessing it'd have to be one of you.
21:12 esthlos trinque: you can find my writeup at http://blog.esthlos.com/a-vtron/ . I recall you wanted to have the thing return sane data from ops instead of format barfage
21:13 trinque yeah, the lisp is a little green
21:13 trinque but that can be cleaned up
21:13 esthlos I'm fairly beginner, don't know many of the useful functions
21:14 esthlos (so I assume)
21:15 mircea_popescu esthlos, a) http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774760 ; b) how does your item handle the original http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-09#1794417 problem ?
21:15 a111 Logged on 2018-01-23 14:28 mircea_popescu: esthlos it is not standard procedure ; the emerging consensus is to have a dedicated philosophy file which a) all patches must touch (by protocol) ; b) contains comments as to the patcher's state of mind and c) contains one line per patch uniquely identifying it, machine generated. the format's not fixed yet, but as phf is working on a new proper vdiff it's probably going to coalesce around a variant of whatever he uses.
21:15 a111 Logged on 2018-04-09 04:25 hanbot: phf et al: attempted to press latest vtools to the keccak head. v (mod6's) reports vtools_vpatch_newline not in flow, neither its antecedent vtools_fixes_static_tohex, despite both patches and (verified good) sigs present (they neither show up via flow command). v will press to vtools_vpatch.vpatch, but no further. see http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oNRhE/?raw=true .
21:16 mircea_popescu i vaguely recall us discussing the matter of graphing and my saying "hang on, phf is about to write one then you can import it", but not worth spelunking for it right now.
21:19 esthlos esthlos-v doesn't touch on (a); I was indeed waiting for standardized philosophy file format. (b) I will test
21:20 mircea_popescu ty
21:21 mircea_popescu and yes, you've got clear way here to producing a standard item, so burn rubber baby.
21:22 esthlos :)
21:22 esthlos that's an evil grin
21:25 trinque don't get too excited; I've got plenty of feedback for you on how this is written
21:25 esthlos ah, yeah
21:27 trinque considering that there may be other lisp programs that want to use this as a dependency, it'd be really nice if instead of returning nils, printing strings, you returned a list of vpatch objects.
21:27 trinque thing needs to be refactored with that in mind
21:27 trinque you then take that item and make it read console args, print to screen, whatever
21:27 trinque make something that eats, processes, and returns sane datastructures first
21:30 esthlos I was thinking of replacing the CLOS with records, or possibly just sexprs
21:32 trinque thereby gaining what
21:37 esthlos I might say, conceptual simplicity. It's possibly a holdover from my scheme origins, but I usually write whatever datastructures I need on my own as closures
21:38 trinque eh please do not hand-roll your own can't-believe-it's-not-CLOS here
21:39 ben_vulpes please no closure datastructures
21:40 trinque the idea is to produce an item that implements the (sorely needed!) functionality correctly, and not as entertainment for one developer
21:40 esthlos alright
21:41 trinque I agree that this thing can get smaller, just not by pretending lisp is scheme. write it like scheme and we're all damend to learn your particular idiosyncracies.
21:41 trinque *damned
21:43 asciilifeform achtung folx : 'super speed' phuctor-eater nao in service.
21:43 asciilifeform ( measured rate ~= 100 keys/s )
21:45 esthlos so trinque, can you provide me with a list of changes (or write your own and diff, if you prefer)?
21:47 esthlos if you do so before friday, I can likely get a prototype by monday. otherwise it will be sometime the week after
21:48 trinque moving from printing to returning objects (recall, you can inform lisp ~how to print your objects at the repl) would be a huge improvement
21:48 trinque not detracting from your having put in the work so far, glad to see a lisp V.
21:49 esthlos cool, that's agenda item 1
21:50 trinque I'll digest more and probably have more proposals for ya, but will get my hands into the code myself too, and we'll get a genesis of this put together.
21:59 asciilifeform i will note, in case it wasn't obvious earlier : folx who previously were refraining from linking phuctor somewhere on account of 'how could it take the heat' are nao invited to open the throttle.
22:00 asciilifeform ( i have nfi whether anyone was holding out for the cured db; but will for the record note : the time -- has come. )
22:01 trinque pretty cool asciilifeform, site is very zippy
22:01 mircea_popescu tbh i'm very happy to have this item back, i can now search for keys again!
22:01 asciilifeform ty to trinque , phf , mircea_popescu , the folx who gave asciilifeform sqltronics hints.
22:01 mod6 The Exalted Great Lord Me etcetera You're too old for me, sorry. << lmao
22:02 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lemme know if you find anything other than the stats page ( still O(N) for nao ) that's >1s to load.
22:02 mircea_popescu and yes now it feels like it's an actual republican item rather than ductape-and-windoze press a key and go draw a bath.
22:02 asciilifeform aha
22:03 * asciilifeform realizes with some disappointment that most of today's pops will overflow the deedbot bucket; thing's eaten moar keyz in 20min than typically eats in 2days
22:03 asciilifeform i'ma have to make a moar hightech rss mechanism, with queuing etc
22:04 mircea_popescu doesn't have to overflow ; have it wait 1s between reports.
22:04 mircea_popescu so what if some aren't instareported via rss
22:05 asciilifeform hey trinque , what's the 'magic number' it oughta wait ?
22:05 asciilifeform i suspect that 1s is too few
22:06 mircea_popescu pretty sure it's not.
22:09 trinque asciilifeform: what's the value in the <id> tag on your end? RSS decrees those don't repeat
22:10 trinque the bot's "seen" is based upon that
22:10 asciilifeform trinque: my bucket is 20 deep currently; if fills faster than deedbot watches it, pops are 'lost'
22:11 asciilifeform ( and i have nfi what would be the effect of deepening it abruptly, in re deedbot, might cause chan barf )
22:11 trinque aha, deedbot also will not eat more than 20 entries from a feed at a time
22:12 asciilifeform i inserted the delay mircea_popescu suggested, but imho this is not a troo pill
22:12 mircea_popescu why not ?
22:14 asciilifeform well, what's the deedbot interval ?
22:14 asciilifeform 5min ?
22:15 trinque 5sec between feeds, has however many feeds, 15-20
22:16 mircea_popescu http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/rss << i see 6:21 6:03 3:whatever.
22:16 mircea_popescu scarcely a concern neh ?
22:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: werker hasn't fired yet
22:16 asciilifeform since the speedup.
22:17 asciilifeform it runs every 6 hrs.
22:17 mircea_popescu so you're proposing that it'll produce more than 10 items / minute after having produced 1 / hour ?
22:18 asciilifeform correct.
22:18 mircea_popescu well so make your rss pit 2k deep, what's to keep you.
22:18 trinque what's an ID of an RSS entry that didn't pop through deedbot?
22:19 asciilifeform trinque: i unfortunately dun have a fast way of answering this riddle
22:19 trinque it's either "RSS was longer than 20 and items missed were past 20" or "saw ID before"
22:19 mircea_popescu trinque, his ids are unique, he's using the fingerprint.
22:20 trinque well can't be fingerprint, because what is used when the next factor pops out
22:20 mircea_popescu imo reporting some rather than all factors for a given modulus is fine, nothing lost.
22:20 asciilifeform for nao i think i'ma put a 20 s. sleep b/w 'ticks'
22:21 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7193BEBB6DE572584240CFD8184BA264171F1BC64AE8DF050FB56556D9269229 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1751...1009 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '203.189.88.23 (ssh-rsa key from 203.189.88.23 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ip-88.23.esdm.go.id. ID)
22:22 * asciilifeform resetting things, brb
22:26 asciilifeform oook unless i mistyped something ( can't be ruled out, pretty close to bed ) the troo fun should begin ~hr from nao.
22:29 mircea_popescu i wonder if it'll make a record lines day or not.
22:29 asciilifeform incidentally, i have a collection of ~50k published shitrouter/etc privkeys here, that's been patiently waiting for the db to grow up
22:29 asciilifeform i'ma feed it in when we run out of Framedraggerola
22:29 mircea_popescu you mean pubkeys ?
22:30 asciilifeform i mean privkeys. a la debian.
22:30 asciilifeform should pop a pretty large population of currently 'green' moduli
22:30 mircea_popescu what's the point of adding them ?
22:30 mircea_popescu ah i see
22:30 asciilifeform same point as the debian keys. ( the latter are , what, 90+% of our pops to date )
22:33 asciilifeform iirc i originally introduced phuctor as 'catalogue of rsa keys which are inexpensively breakable'. for said formulation it does not matter precisely ~how~, if tomorrow i conceive of a wholly novel inexpensive break, i will apply it to phuctor with the others ( as i applied classical methods, gcd, bernsteinistic gcd, fermat, ( in the worx...) lenstra , etc . )
22:35 asciilifeform hey Framedragger ! ask the sea goddess to letcha go on shore leave! or wherever heaven or hell yer stuck in.
22:36 asciilifeform at the current pace, 100% of 2016-Framedragger collection will be eaten by next thurs.
22:36 asciilifeform could use an updated one!
22:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, i just figure we can do the "walk ssh collect keys" job to douchebag if he emerges, or some other noob. better being done by multiple parties anyway.
22:36 mircea_popescu and besides there's the rockchip.
22:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and think, we never even touched ssl
22:36 mircea_popescu myeah.
22:36 asciilifeform which is prolly good for several GB of sadkeyz
22:36 mircea_popescu who even knows.
22:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 100M ( and not wholly unloaded , as far as i can see ) fiber, is not so great for all-of-ipv4-scan
22:37 douchebag hm?
22:37 mircea_popescu bw not a consideration here ; packets are. and you want to find out anyway. consider it free pizarro stresstesting.
22:38 asciilifeform lol i 'stress test' (i.e. saturate) the thing ~daily
22:38 mircea_popescu you understand bw != pw yes ?
22:39 asciilifeform how's that
22:39 asciilifeform packets occupy bw, what else could
22:39 asciilifeform 'they're made of meat!'
22:39 mircea_popescu there's two failure modes for a router -- too much bw (ie, the sum bytes of packets is too large) ; and too many packets (ie, the individual count of packets is too large).
22:40 mircea_popescu most ddos is not of the bw sort.
22:40 asciilifeform of the statetable sort
22:41 asciilifeform Framedragger's 'massscan' proggy does not clog state table tho, it has own peculiar ip stack that goes 'statelessly'
22:41 mircea_popescu i doubt the entire ssh run he did even ate a gb. but it ate it over like 10 or 20mn packets something.
22:41 asciilifeform sorta why it is able to work in ~week rather than the expected year
22:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, your dc still has to route them.
22:41 mircea_popescu eventually they either complain or don't. you want to find out.
22:41 asciilifeform it is ~never the local end that complains
22:42 mircea_popescu it can be ; but irrespective the minutia, you still want to find out early rather than late.
22:42 asciilifeform at any rate it's quite doable from pizarro, just will take roughly 10x as long as Framedragger's took, per my reckonin
22:42 * asciilifeform not in particular hurry, fwiw
22:42 mircea_popescu why ? he used some rando shitvps iirc.
22:42 asciilifeform iirc he used a dozen, in parallel
22:43 mircea_popescu guaranteed less power.
22:43 mircea_popescu that might be, i dun recall the specifics so close. but anyways.
22:44 asciilifeform !#s from:Framedragger ipv4
22:44 a111 31 results for "from:Framedragger ipv4", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3AFramedragger%20ipv4
22:44 asciilifeform ^ seems to have the detail.
22:44 asciilifeform ( tldr : he used a public proggy, experiment oughta be entirely replicable )
22:45 mircea_popescu indeed.
22:49 * asciilifeform funnily enuff just reread http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations ; mighty lulzy ride, it was, the original phuctoring 'day x'
22:55 asciilifeform ^ bahaha all of the links therein now properly realtimeclickable
22:56 asciilifeform and incidentally 3rdparties can now curlpost ---BEGIN PGP PUBLIC.... keyolade and get ~realtime output...
22:56 asciilifeform sorta how the thing was meant to go from the start.
22:57 asciilifeform !Q later tell trinque does deedbot autosubmit newly regged keys to phuctor ?
22:57 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
23:04 mircea_popescu not a bad idea
23:04 trinque nope, but not a bad idea at all
23:04 lobbesbot trinque: Sent 7 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> does deedbot autosubmit newly regged keys to phuctor ?
23:05 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, ahh, recall the fun times!
23:05 asciilifeform aaha, 'cosmic rays' !
23:07 mircea_popescu more importantly, never before in its history of imbecility with a side serving of bald face lying, was the empire plainly humiliated on public, permanent record by manifestly superior intellectual force.
23:08 mircea_popescu brought to a close some happy decades of self-flattering delusion inaugurated by the berlin wall moment.
23:10 mircea_popescu still worth a retrospective chuckle, just how fucking unprepared they were for it.
23:11 asciilifeform dunno, looked as prepared as they ever get, had the myrmidons ready, the 'why japanese toilets haven't conquered america' replacement article thing at button's push, etc neh
23:13 asciilifeform debug of herr boeck, grade-a imperial политтехнолог ( how does that even go in engl ? )
23:13 mircea_popescu whole thing stinks very badly of the same ole http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-i/#selection-71.13-79.1 and of course http://trilema.com/2017/global-warming-on-triton/#selection-177.0-189.40
23:13 asciilifeform *debut
23:13 mircea_popescu you'd of course expect usg.nsa ie the department of scientifically socialistic-flavoured numbers have ampler resources at its disposal than a shoestring sexploitation outfit in canuckistan.
23:14 mircea_popescu sad days for the fiat empire.
23:15 asciilifeform apparently 25 yrs of planting vulns / suborning iso committees / tapping cables / decrypting rot13 , makes for fat/lazy gestapo, whod'vethunkit
23:15 asciilifeform variation on http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748753 theme, possibly.
23:15 a111 Logged on 2017-12-08 15:02 asciilifeform: the 'good climate makes folx lazy and slowly climbing 'back up to trees' ' item is an old saw, but i'm not aware of any major hole in the theory
23:29 mircea_popescu possibly.
23:31 mircea_popescu talk about "overton windows", though. it totally fucking moved the conversation, now it's about how "nobody accused the us delegation". as fucking if.
23:33 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6623F4E0D1ACC5B1BF803CE6F16904DD0C326AADF1581F1981B5A1481FE9F170 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1088...9787 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '183.249.251.63 (ssh-rsa key from 183.249.251.63 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN)
23:42 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E92D6ECB8C9AF5ABC18307C2968BA6497A9F97EEFDF9F6B67CB9DD36B35DD0A5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1088...9787 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.70.53 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.70.53 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN)
23:42 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6623F4E0D1ACC5B1BF803CE6F16904DD0C326AADF1581F1981B5A1481FE9F170 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1088...9787 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '183.249.251.63 (ssh-rsa key from 183.249.251.63 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN)
23:42 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3EA512ACB8D42B2E09A5F2EC2A983CC90905F81541FA9A6658AB86927349F717 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1532...2373 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.17.200.14 (ssh-rsa key from 85.17.200.14 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown NL NH)
23:42 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/322AF6F8F409FBF42EF27A1BCFF25E5F458C355EA2650524EDCEDDEFFB760A65 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1522...8559 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '84.19.160.204 (ssh-rsa key from 84.19.160.204 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (h-84.19.160.204.keyweb.de. DE)
23:42 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D963994F22CB5485CBB1D82DFABBC72CA6C0273A56C2B0A2CEB9B6B10AFAE915 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1648...4733 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '171.100.190.132 (ssh-rsa key from 171.100.190.132 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (cm-171-100-190-132.revip10.asianet.co.th. TH)
23:42 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C10265CAC01DE0B5C84F248879FB350192785D1C14FA53C6B4CAAE68A1BBA977 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1615...4883 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '179.1.72.89 (ssh-rsa key from 179.1.72.89 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CO ANT)
23:42 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4A308D3BE72368D73D087C8232A993D4EA6EB720FFA63E121231BCCD77E7315F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1615...4883 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.236.238.102 (ssh-rsa key from 91.236.238.102 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RU)
23:42 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E643BAEAC308F1BF33B37DDB9A258BBD07E85D30A9A63B95754CBA0BD2FFB346 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1615...4883 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '190.12.56.72 (ssh-rsa key from 190.12.56.72 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (corp-190-12-56-72.mch.puntonet.ec. EC P)
23:42 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/574457D1E4C5441FE340B7910CDD2B10D2B5CD9AFA91BC683820A96AAB8E61D1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1713...8507 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.237.41.6 (ssh-rsa key from 89.237.41.6 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (video.trktvs.ru. RU)
23:42 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1C98582F53D0D63CF9F6333C6E2B6BA9226C4B01F707CD2589DA33CEAA211B4C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1787...6967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.151.29.21 (ssh-rsa key from 83.151.29.21 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (m17s19.vlinux.de. DE)
23:42 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/519CFCA8F186F78E30E295D50EB0CEA49A22F34B54D6ACB4AA6ABE1C93D0C745 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1723...6953 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '32.60.40.199 (ssh-rsa key from 32.60.40.199 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown SG)
23:42 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/03AD9E4203066650730045C3361718138D94E9A0620D333F213885812E2577A7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1713...2743 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '203.255.13.22 (ssh-rsa key from 203.255.13.22 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (pwrsys.gnu.ac.kr. KR)
23:47 mircea_popescu o hello
23:55 mircea_popescu mod6, really, 25 is too old. the amount of cockroaches they ingested by that age makes fixing a losing proposition.
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