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00:00 mod6 sure, you're doing good work. looking forward to your submissions when ready.
00:01 trinque http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/aiEVS/?raw=true << sneak peek of walletsnip. (warning, likely intermingled with other patches, not for any use, etc)
00:01 phf mircea_popescu: he had one megapatch that i remember being somewhat controversial, it's the one where he reworked the logging facility, but the other two look reasonably small (rm unused functions and add sendrawtransaction rpc). i remember there being some issues with asciilifeform_malleus_mikehearnificarum and asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring that required at least two regrinds, which was around the time he was working on his.
00:01 mircea_popescu but in the general i suppose polarbeard's adventure is kinda illustrative of YET ANOTHER failure mode of personal heroics. besides the "lalala i can't hear" style there's apparently also the "oh, who has time for small steps, i'ma make huge contributions as a virtual unknown".
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00:02 mod6 <+trinque> mod6: I've got a sendrawtxn patch sitting over here << actually, i should mention that i /did/ create a trb sendrawtransaction (just this one rpc call) vpatch late last year, but never sent -- really wanted the rest of the gang 'create', 'sign', etc.
00:02 mircea_popescu phf, a yeah, there was some of that too, it's coming back to me now.
00:03 trinque mod6: yeah makes sense. not much use by itself without.
00:03 mod6 yup.
00:04 phf yeah, it was a combination of factors. his logging facility patch received a lot of criticism, though i now regret voicing mine. it's a bit of a bike shed problem, everyone has their own idea of how to do it "right", but it's not done to this day.
00:04 mircea_popescu myeah.
00:04 mod6 phf: this is a solid point. I think everyone wants their own way of logging/logging statements.
00:05 mircea_popescu goes right back to the problem of the unknown. i CAN shoot down bikeshedding if i know the person. i can't if they're unknown, because then it's legitimate part of dogs sniffing butts getting to know each other.
00:05 mod6 One vpatch that is looking pretty nice is ben_vulpes's logging sub-string chop chop.
00:06 mod6 mircea_popescu: yeah.
00:07 trinque http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NweRz/?raw=true << polarbeard_better_log_messages.vpatch reposted from shithub, for posteriority
00:08 phf or you know http://btcbase.org/patches/polarbeard_better_log_messages
00:08 trinque oh whoops
00:08 phf also http://btcbase.org/patches/polarbeard_rm_unused_functions http://btcbase.org/patches/polarbeard_add_sendrawtransaction_rpc
00:09 trinque I forgot you had the wandering patches too.
00:09 mod6 thx for posting the links gentlemen.
00:09 phf aha, it's either in experimental or in deprecated
00:10 trinque long day, little sleep. spent the morning directing movers.
00:11 phf !!key polarbeard
00:11 deedbot http://wot.deedbot.org/3db7d131fe4fff3ca6bbac3011cc9042929d3682.asc
00:11 phf also 2016-01-17
00:11 trinque to digress, one of the guys called the porch a "pollo" and I swear he was fucking with me.
00:14 trinque after that, he says his computer didn't work (hey, you're a computer guy, right?) and showed me a picture of a dell laptop docking station, so who knows. maybe he goes out and drinks beer on his chicken
00:15 douchebag !drink-beer-on-chicken
00:15 mircea_popescu pivapollo
00:18 trinque what's that mean?
00:18 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/072ECA8C1F9304988F62531F1A8EE157D49BD61F04CB7733DC3837402628FA96 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1248...7653 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.37.13.28 (ssh-rsa key from 77.37.13.28 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DE HE)
00:18 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D681AE14C7C11C938C785738A794228A1507D33261DE7421D16571566DCC42AF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2104...9369 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.232.217.40 (ssh-rsa key from 80.232.217.40 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown LV)
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00:18 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8BC5E3C9850D306301F23F8696D897F052AA8DAC59C95AAE9BF58FB5734B0C50 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1476...3239 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.250.142.222 (ssh-rsa key from 87.250.142.222 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (routed.by.netground.nl. NL)
00:19 phf pivo and pollo mexican russian fusion food odessa, tx
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00:20 trinque ahaha, https://dictionary.reverso.net/spanish-english/pavipollo
00:21 trinque I got got
00:23 mircea_popescu lmao
00:26 mircea_popescu "Odessa is a city in western Texas. Downtown, Jack Ben Rabbit is an 8-foot-tall statue of a jackrabbit. "
00:26 mircea_popescu if anything screams "deserted midwest" more than these "tall statue" shenanigans...
00:27 mircea_popescu someone somewhere has like... a very large pitchfork or something. "town attraction" "why, because you folk spend too long in the sun ?"
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00:29 phf well it's the world's LARGEST jackrabbit, so ya gotta see it!
00:32 mircea_popescu kinda the same mental process that impels doods to save their largest booger.
00:33 mircea_popescu "As in many municipalities, some of the largest employers are in the education, government, and healthcare industries."
00:33 mircea_popescu right.
00:33 mircea_popescu totallynotaponzi.jpg
00:34 mod6 I went through midland/odessa once, didn't stop. Kept foot on gas.
00:35 mod6 "This is the birthplace of First Lady Laura Bush!" ... zoooooom
00:37 mod6 That day I think I set a PR for furthest driven in one single day: OKC->Dallas->El Paso->Tucson
00:37 trinque lots of oil out there; only real reason to go
00:38 mod6 yeah, i remember smelling it in the air.
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02:27 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-24#1805245 <- for the light+clean gentoo factor I'd buy one but I can't say I see atm a case for buying a lot of them
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02:27 a111 Logged on 2018-04-24 23:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, diana_coman , et al, other folx who travel -- i'd like to get a picture of whether there is 'market' in l1/l2 for a pre-engentooated ( laugh at the laddel-ism, but it promises to be a somewhat painful process involving crocodile and eeprom writer ) 'c101pa' rockchip lappy .
02:29 mircea_popescu is that a pun ?
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04:27 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-25#1805483 <-- oh, youmeanlike https://imgur.com/a/6d5Atjc ?
04:27 a111 Logged on 2018-04-25 04:27 mircea_popescu: someone somewhere has like... a very large pitchfork or something. "town attraction" "why, because you folk spend too long in the sun ?"
04:29 diana_coman lol, unintended!
04:33 spyked the biggest win point is imho the chair they placed there: "please sir, to admire this fine fork"
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09:05 mod6 Mornin' TMSR~
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10:21 asciilifeform !Q later tell spyked http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295&cpage=1#comment-19403
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10:21 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
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11:26 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-25#1805475 << lol somehow nobody but me noticed the bug. i fixed it this morning, all that remains is to clean the crapola from the db, will do this after backup
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11:26 a111 Logged on 2018-04-25 04:18 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D681AE14C7C11C938C785738A794228A1507D33261DE7421D16571566DCC42AF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2104...9369 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.232.217.40 (ssh-rsa key from 80.232.217.40 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown LV)
11:27 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-25#1805494 << i can't picture who ( other than mircea_popescu in his described possible use case ) would need more than 1 ( or perhaps 2, 1 as a spare )
11:27 a111 Logged on 2018-04-25 06:27 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-24#1805245 <- for the light+clean gentoo factor I'd buy one but I can't say I see atm a case for buying a lot of them
11:27 asciilifeform original q was 'is this worth doing at all'
11:28 asciilifeform ( possibly also it is better to have folx purchase the raw material locally, and flash the rom themselves ? )
11:30 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-25#1805426 << not quite how i remember it. d00d was demonstrably inadherent to the concept of vpatch hygiene , persisted with creation of shithub-style megaturds
11:30 a111 Logged on 2018-04-25 03:53 phf: trinque: there wasn't anything wrong with polarbeard's patches in general, he just happened to be doing his work when there was a lot of regrinds going on in the tree and after third time he was asked to regrind he decided he had enough and quit
11:31 asciilifeform he didn't seem to grasp the notion that the patches are meant to be read and understood.
11:31 asciilifeform and gotta narrowly focus on subject, rather than 'hey look i turned 17 knobs at once'
11:32 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-25#1805447 << exactly that. iirc he said nothing at all re own biography, on top of it all.
11:32 a111 Logged on 2018-04-25 04:01 mircea_popescu: but in the general i suppose polarbeard's adventure is kinda illustrative of YET ANOTHER failure mode of personal heroics. besides the "lalala i can't hear" style there's apparently also the "oh, who has time for small steps, i'ma make huge contributions as a virtual unknown".
11:33 asciilifeform !#born polarbeard
11:33 a111 2016-01-22 <polarbeard> hi
11:33 a111 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-22#1381744
11:41 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-25#1805414 << mezzano seems -- since i last looked -- to be almost enuff to make an actual workstation os out of , if anybody bothered to get hold of a e.g. apu1 with sage snake and tailor it properly to the iron
11:41 a111 Logged on 2018-04-25 03:25 phf: heh, main changes in recent versions of slime: additions of mezzano interaction (lisp "operating system"), but the lulzy part additions of large variety of deprecation errors and warnings.
11:41 asciilifeform i could be wrong about this, did not dig in deeply
11:41 asciilifeform ( there doesn't appear to be a self-eating compiler in'ere... )
11:42 asciilifeform ( lives -- yes -- on shithub; https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano/tree/master/drivers << all he's got in the way of iron )
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11:43 asciilifeform spoiler: rtl8168 nic, possibly the vmware version thereof; and intel's sound card.
11:43 asciilifeform ( last thread iirc re subj : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544064 << see also. )
11:43 a111 Logged on 2016-09-17 16:40 asciilifeform: and the hardware ~is~ shit. boot up one of these (if you can actually get it to boot.) and say hello to 1 fps graphics, disks without dma (you don't know what these feel like until trying personally), nic that works when the moon is full strictly, etc.
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13:01 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FBE9CAAEB56006891661FBC0C2AEC1BCC7580E89A6EE8AA23C0ED6DA820D46C2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1509...8807 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '160.80.105.2 (ssh-rsa key from 160.80.105.2 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown IT RM 62)
13:01 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/282A739B467BDDEDDAE8B492C5867C45724562DAE71039CB18971F5CB821090D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1509...8807 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '130.184.6.111 (ssh-rsa key from 130.184.6.111 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US AR)
13:08 deedbot http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/04/25/racism-in-pigeons/ << Bingo Blog - Racism In Pigeons
13:22 BingoBoingo !!Up trinax
13:22 deedbot trinax voiced for 30 minutes.
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14:02 deedbot http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/04/25/remedial-skills-camera-walk-rtfm-edition/ << Bingo Blog - Remedial Skills: Camera Walk RTFM Edition
14:04 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, sure it's worth doing at all. you need >1 per agent, what.
14:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'ma put it in the queue then. ( machine per se, came in last night )
14:07 asciilifeform physically impressive thing, almost small enuff to conceal under clothing
14:07 mircea_popescu lol ro embassy.
14:07 asciilifeform ( about 1cm thick )
14:09 mircea_popescu ahahaha this guy. "lawn colored bird" "rock colored bird".
14:09 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Seriously, most hoppable fence of them all so far. Except well, Panama but they don't have a fence at all. Front door opens into the street.
14:09 phf asciilifeform: i would be pleasantly surprised if the machine can have a blobless video/wifi
14:09 mircea_popescu yes well, not everyone's an asshole. i don't recall the last time someone came up with the idea of assaulting ro embassies.
14:11 asciilifeform phf: whole spark of asciilifeform's interest in the '101' was that it has marvell wifi chip (on usb) and apparently nonaccelerated 2d worx with standard kernel
14:11 asciilifeform unlike the chromenintendo i experimented on in 2013
14:11 * BingoBoingo still finding new embassies.
14:12 asciilifeform phf: machine seems to be something quite like the pizarro rockchip board but with screen,kbd,battery
14:14 mod6 Nice pics BingoBoingo, funny comments too
14:14 BingoBoingo mod6: ty
14:14 BingoBoingo Still need a lot more practice
14:17 phf asciilifeform: aha, i figured as much, idle curiosity about where the hardware boundaries lie. we'll find out soon enough!
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14:32 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/joes-enthusiasm/ << Trilema - Joe's enthusiasm
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15:35 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/04/german-jews-warned-to-wear-alternate-headgear-to-avoid-violence/ << Qntra - German Jews Warned To Wear Alternate Headgear To Avoid Violence
15:37 mircea_popescu aaahahahaa
15:37 ben_vulpes who could have predicted!!1
15:38 mircea_popescu such a good thing five successive generations of nulands did in germany.
15:38 mircea_popescu it's always a good idea to listen to "the experts".
15:39 BingoBoingo 4srs
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15:59 mircea_popescu in other random, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arJlvynifMc
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16:28 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-25#1805502 <-- o hey, tyvm!
16:28 a111 Logged on 2018-04-25 14:21 asciilifeform: !Q later tell spyked http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295&cpage=1#comment-19403
16:28 lobbesbot spyked: Sent 6 hours and 7 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295&cpage=1#comment-19403
16:39 asciilifeform spyked: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295&cpage=1#comment-19407
16:43 mircea_popescu but in other good news, trilema discovered the fastest reader alive : http://trilema.com/contact-pgp/#comment-125468
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17:30 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/072ECA8C1F9304988F62531F1A8EE157D49BD61F04CB7733DC3837402628FA96 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1008...7769 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.37.13.28 (ssh-rsa key from 77.37.13.28 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DE HE)
17:41 mircea_popescu hey phf can i get a count of words / day in my loglines ?
17:48 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8BC5E3C9850D306301F23F8696D897F052AA8DAC59C95AAE9BF58FB5734B0C50 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1349...8697 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.250.142.222 (ssh-rsa key from 87.250.142.222 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (routed.by.netground.nl. NL)
17:57 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D681AE14C7C11C938C785738A794228A1507D33261DE7421D16571566DCC42AF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1434...9433 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.232.217.40 (ssh-rsa key from 80.232.217.40 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown LV)
18:09 mod6 !!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4JgmI/?raw=true
18:13 deedbot accepted: 1
18:15 trinque ugh, shame on me. that was running in a tmux
18:15 trinque massive uptime has its upsides and down
18:16 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0FC58288ECBC1BDAD86A1D99D09C2B85517E02A72390F6CFB378AF87AAB6840F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1469...5969 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '134.169.9.51 (ssh-rsa key from 134.169.9.51 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DE NI)
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18:33 danielpbarron !!up beeteecee
18:33 deedbot beeteecee voiced for 30 minutes.
18:34 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5D01732429D2018C5281E02A054FF943984DC18BC2575AB67B16151BDE5C3FCA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1434...3997 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '208.2.67.117 (ssh-rsa key from 208.2.67.117 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US TX)
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19:15 deedbot http://deedbot.org/bundle-519925.txt
19:26 ben_vulpes whoa
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19:46 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/what-have-i-been-doing/ << Trilema - What have I been doing ?
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20:05 deedbot http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2326 << Loper OS - Open Problem: Delousing the Asus C101PA.
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20:22 mircea_popescu !!pay danielpbarron 0.0077
20:22 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/A0AM0/?raw=true
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21:13 asciilifeform meanwhile, in technical progresses, https://archive.li/kA5TT >> spoof GPS, GSM, with... 5bux of usb to vga adapter
21:27 mircea_popescu heh
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22:58 mircea_popescu is that the last of ;em ?
22:58 mircea_popescu !!up shurdeek
22:58 deedbot shurdeek voiced for 30 minutes.
22:58 mircea_popescu got a rsa key shurdeek ?
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23:20 ben_vulpes http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-4-25#343759 << just one tiny step up from excel
23:20 mimisbrunnr Logged on 2018-04-25 01:18 mircea_popescu: a db is a good tool for pre-given solutions for some kinds of problems. it is not a tool for implementing arbitrary expressivity.
23:22 trinque ben_vulpes: you should hear my oil buddy talk about excel sometime
23:22 ben_vulpes that said the rigorish typing of postgres has been a boon in this one circumstance where the tower of complexititus threatens to overwhelm me at every step
23:22 trinque dunno if it'll make you laugh or cry, but either's good drinking
23:24 ben_vulpes trinque: you know i tell folks i squirt grease on the largest $problem-domain spreadsheet they could possibly imagine when they ask what i do; i can laugh and cry about it allll day
23:25 ben_vulpes btw mircea_popescu #templeos-irc is a wall of noise, terry is out to lunch
23:26 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes, i dun agree ; excel is clown car. the db stuff... not really.
23:27 ben_vulpes sure, john deere with anal impaler in operator seat
23:27 ben_vulpes when will it fire will it fire today let's find out
23:28 ben_vulpes i exaggerate, db constraints and stored procedures and transactionality and permissions are all very nice things.
23:28 mircea_popescu unlike vbasic and moreover, the very fucking NOTION of "here is a list of cells, grapghically displayed"
23:29 mircea_popescu worst possible assumptions made for this gui-centric non-db system.
23:29 mircea_popescu that it's popular with the sort of meat puppets populating the pantsuit vatfarms is unsurprising -- it's pretty much engineered to cater to their batshit insane worldview.
23:30 mircea_popescu there's a very deep link between "putin doesn't understand how the world works ; notwithstanding which he stole our election" and "cell (5,7) on your screen".
23:31 ben_vulpes links to the ml advocates, their jupyter notebooks, and the troubles they have "getting from research to production" too i'd hazard
23:32 mircea_popescu certainly links to "aaaand... it's gone", http://trilema.com/2013/why-mpex-is-better-than-fiat-institutions-part-349085-we-dont-use-excel/#selection-171.0-173.563 etc
23:36 ben_vulpes "can never demonstrate the absence of bugs" notwithstanding, i don't know why folks don't slow down and test that their deliverables do what they claim before making claims
23:37 * trinque sees untested deliverables on two legs every day
23:38 ben_vulpes breathing! passes self test
23:38 ben_vulpes hey, one of my deliverables failed the external tests once
23:41 trinque re: db, I'm reserving a lul now for when asciilifeform discovers that postgresql does, in fact, tell you what an operation will cost before you run it.
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23:44 trinque mircea_popescu had it, industrial machinery, organizes gigantic sets, does a few things to make sure the wad isn't lost.
23:47 trinque goodnight, many heads of the tit hydra
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