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00:00 asciilifeform d00d (stephenson) 'got it'. and as i understand it was his 'last hurrah', he went to shit soon after.
00:02 asciilifeform 'anathem' is many things, and one of them is a what-if-naturalphilosophy-had-happened-in-monasteries.
00:02 asciilifeform but it dun really fit in 'sound bite'.
00:04 phf i suspect the spectacular failure of his sword project is what sent him downspiral
00:07 asciilifeform fuqknows
00:07 asciilifeform i swallowed not only 1 but 2 pieces of rubbish from post-anathem stephenson and that was enuff.
00:08 asciilifeform d00d is done.
00:08 phf oh, he wrote something else besides seveneves?
00:08 asciilifeform 'reamde'. but there is rumour that he had 0 to do with the text, let some idjit relative pen it
00:10 phf sounds like a decade update attempt to cryptonomicon
00:10 asciilifeform unrelated, it's an 'airport detective'
00:10 asciilifeform 100% crapolade.
00:11 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760180 << i'ma confess, i have nfi what is or could be 'elegant c'
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00:11 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 03:02 esthlos: elegant C exists, but the limits of the language the complexity it can handle without exploding into incomprehensibility.
00:12 asciilifeform there is such a thing as maliciously-ugly c. i.e. what koch et al write.
00:12 asciilifeform there is not, however, a meaningful opposite.
00:12 asciilifeform there is a 'non-malicious c', i suppose.
00:12 * asciilifeform did publish some c, at some point
00:13 asciilifeform i.e. consistently-formatted, using 0 'idiomaticisms' ,
00:13 asciilifeform !#s idiomatic
00:13 a111 36 results for "idiomatic", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=idiomatic
00:13 asciilifeform minimal pointerism, indirectism as a whole.
00:13 asciilifeform but it remains -- c.
00:14 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760183 << you really ought not to touch c unless you can picture in yer head the asm , when reading it; and vice-versa ( for your particular iron )
00:14 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 03:05 esthlos: even with small C projects I start to panic when I realise I don't know how it works anymore
00:15 asciilifeform this is not a 'brinism' but quite elementary pons asinorum
00:15 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760185 << it is unreasonable to ask ~machine~ to enforce intellectual discipline. machine cannot do this, it's an 'ai-complete' problem.
00:15 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 03:09 phf: but then i can also understand the whole "back in my day" sentiment. common lisp certainly lets you write ~very sloppy~ code and get away with it :>
00:15 asciilifeform only men, can do it.
00:16 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760156 << why not needleman-wunsch instead ?
00:16 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 01:44 esthlos: fwiw I read McIlroy's paper and would be willing to implement it _transparently_, if there's interest
00:17 asciilifeform !#s needleman
00:17 a111 10 results for "needleman", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=needleman
00:17 asciilifeform ^ n-w lets you specify ~precedence of possible differences~
00:17 asciilifeform e.g. 'spaces muchly less important than printables'
00:19 phf oh yeah, you mentioned this before..
00:19 phf ^ http://sci-hub.la/http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0022283670900574
00:21 asciilifeform iirc i even posted coad
00:27 mircea_popescu is "coad" code ?
00:29 asciilifeform yea, but think 'with lower case c'
00:29 asciilifeform i.e snippets
00:30 asciilifeform iirc i posted a battlefield-worn one in cl
00:30 asciilifeform with example in, out
00:31 phf no way
00:31 phf i would've remembered
00:34 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-04#1596510
00:34 a111 Logged on 2017-01-04 23:57 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/KAkk0/?raw=true
00:34 asciilifeform >>>>> https://archive.is/jMMqT
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00:34 asciilifeform phf: ^
00:35 phf huh!
00:35 asciilifeform it isnt a work of art, but it did work.
00:37 phf ty
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01:02 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760186 << how do you waste hours on a couple hundred line program
01:02 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 03:28 asciilifeform: in other non-news, ben_vulpes yer ircbot thing dun work with znc. for the obvious reason of containing magicstring-expectation liquishit.
01:02 trinque anyhow I wrote it; ben_vulpes added a patch.
01:02 asciilifeform trinque: laugh, but i assumed znc misconfig liquishit
01:02 asciilifeform and chased ~that~
01:02 trinque nickserv is what it is; I didn't invent it
01:03 trinque maybe we're not far from a sane p2p chat implementation
01:03 asciilifeform funny how auth was really an afterthought in irc world
01:03 mircea_popescu and how it's ~useless.
01:03 asciilifeform necessarily !
01:04 asciilifeform afterthoughts dun work so well.
01:04 trinque I admit to having wanted as little irc autism in my head as would make the thing go.
01:05 asciilifeform trinque: orig stimulus for ffa was gossipd's rsa-in-realtime req.
01:05 * trinque is quite excited at that
01:07 asciilifeform metoo..
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02:54 mircea_popescu !!up revnja
02:54 deedbot revnja voiced for 30 minutes.
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03:20 revnja thank you kindly
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03:41 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760508 <- fixed, thanks!
03:41 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 04:45 mircea_popescu: diana_coman "in next chapter" < add "the"
03:41 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760176 <- ahahah, feels like it at times, yes!
03:41 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 02:57 phf: that would be a very gruesome science fiction narrative, if that was actually the case. a kind of strugatsky's roadside picnic :>
03:43 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759930 <- any comments are welcome, as usual
03:43 a111 Logged on 2017-12-28 23:26 asciilifeform puts ^item on read-conveyor
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04:15 mod6 asciilifeform: found ~a~ solution: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ypJpa/?raw=true
04:15 mod6 will see if I can clean it up a bit more tomorrow.
04:15 mod6 ni ni
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06:09 shinohai !#s http://archive.is/u3Wdn
06:09 a111 0 results for "http://archive.is/u3Wdn", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=http%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2Fu3Wdn
06:10 shinohai stupid wapo
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07:00 shinohai !#s https://pmsf.eu/resources/lisp/SHA3.html
07:00 a111 0 results for "https://pmsf.eu/resources/lisp/SHA3.html", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=https%3A%2F%2Fpmsf.eu%2Fresources%2Flisp%2FSHA3.html
07:00 shinohai archived just in case http://archive.is/6NpOj
07:03 shinohai so far seems to be at least equal to the perl sins that only my confessor, mod6 knows of
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07:05 shinohai !!up aegis
07:05 deedbot aegis voiced for 30 minutes.
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08:32 BingoBoingo http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/26/as-it-turns-out-fireworks-do-not-photograph-well-navidad-in-the-land-of-tranquility/#comment-114450 << And a comment
08:36 shinohai New Years gonna be better?
08:36 BingoBoingo We will have to see
08:36 shinohai And no cardboard houses! Does he read trilema?
08:37 BingoBoingo Well, LATAM is a big place
08:39 shinohai !!rate diana_coman 3 too much hard work to list, EuCrypt has helped me tremendously.
08:39 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ibfVb/?raw=true
08:41 shinohai !!v 83DBA74607120BBABFCE695D5917F7E27087B08CB5CC7B9D144D4C39D4E64EB3
08:41 deedbot shinohai updated rating of diana_coman from 2 to 3 << too much hard work to list, EuCrypt has helped me tremendously.
08:41 diana_coman cheers shinohai
08:41 shinohai o7
08:41 BingoBoingo And re: keeping up with chaintips - Quite a few big as ships lined up off short waiting for their turn in port.
08:41 BingoBoingo *big ass ships
08:44 shinohai !!rate BingoBoingo 4 For services rendered to tmsr in LATAM in futherance of true isp and the rich documentation of his travails
08:44 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bafd8/?raw=true
08:45 BingoBoingo And it is taking some getting used to going out to the river and not being able to see the other side. And also seeing two way ship traffic with... big ass ships
08:46 shinohai !!v 19EE2D8B89B89D5087635711B3C3239D5C1C4D60D5573565D618CD9F879FF868
08:46 deedbot shinohai updated rating of BingoBoingo from 3 to 4 << For services rendered to tmsr in LATAM in futherance of true isp and the rich documentation of his travails
08:46 BingoBoingo Instead of slow river barges taking away the corn to serve as feedstock for who knows what chemistry
08:49 BingoBoingo And guess who the wops beat in court: "Brothers Vincenzo and Giacomo Barbato named their clothing brand "Steve Jobs" in 2012 after learning that Apple had not trademarked his name. "We did our market research and we noticed that Apple, one of the best known companies in the world, never thought about registering its founder's brand, so we decided to do it," the two told la Repubblica Napoli. The Barbatos designed a logo that resembles
08:49 BingoBoingo Apple's own, choosing the letter "J" with a bite taken out of the side."
08:50 BingoBoingo Also the LISA operating system is supposed to be open sourced soon
08:50 shinohai !!rate danielpbarron 3 #eulora Elder and merchant, operates rare ecu faucet. Bible markup project in #trilema-church
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08:50 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lu1PC/?raw=true
08:51 * shinohai apologizes for the rate spam
08:54 shinohai !!v 685D0D34746C79BF5BF2D0D508688B60D859C2DE35B954FC351CC4CBD50EC370
08:54 deedbot shinohai updated rating of danielpbarron from 2 to 3 << #eulora Elder and merchant, operates rare ecu faucet. Bible markup project in #trilema-church
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09:18 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759948 <- do you mean the references and substrata?
09:18 a111 Logged on 2017-12-28 23:37 mircea_popescu is also happy at how diana_coman 's code veers towards literate style. you've seen this phf ?
09:18 mircea_popescu no, i mean the comments.
09:20 diana_coman ah; well, key code that one anyway
09:35 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
09:35 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14474.84, vol: 14159.22146288 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14349.0, vol: 52343.1796784 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14647.1, vol: 4080.1562319 | Volume-weighted last average: 14391.4763725
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09:57 BingoBoingo In other pirate radio vs SOP lulz: https://archive.is/AWcBV "When the agents inquired about the nature of Sidos’ relationship with Mr. Polynice, they asserted that they had not seen him in two years. When the agents asked about the unlicensed transmitter, the Sidos alternately refused to respond or claimed that no radio transmitter had been operated on their property since the 2012 in rem seizure... As had occurred during the Augus
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09:57 BingoBoingo t 2015 site visit, the station had been taken off the air when the agents took further field strength measurements immediately after the Sido interview ended."
10:01 BingoBoingo And the trb node weather from my perch appears to have improved substantially with regards to nodes at the chaintip since this weekend.
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10:30 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760601 << "Releases prior to release 1.0.2 had a bug that could lead to input being ignored and hence wrong message digests being calculated for input with repeated calls to sha3-update (see README file for details). Please upgrade as soon as possible, since this bug can lead to unintended collisions in generated message digests." and of course "The library should be portable across nearly a
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10:30 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 12:03 shinohai: so far seems to be at least equal to the perl sins that only my confessor, mod6 knows of
10:30 mircea_popescu ll ANSI compliant CL implementations with specialized versions tuned for implementations that offer unboxed 64bit arithmetic, unboxed 32bit arithmetic and for implementations with efficient fixnum arithmetic, i.e. requiring fixnums that can represent (unsigned-byte 16)."
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10:31 mircea_popescu from "the people who shouldn't have computer access" gallery.
10:32 mircea_popescu "PMSF IT Consulting is proud to announce its acceptance as a member of ASAM e.V.. As a long time user of ASAM standards, like XCP and A2L, we see the ongoing central role of ASAM as a provider for standards in the embedded domain and beyond, with a special focus on automotive applications."
10:32 asciilifeform in other noose : zoolag still on tip-of-the-spear, working pretty great.
10:32 mircea_popescu in case you were wondering who's putting the bugs in your cars of the future.
10:32 mircea_popescu some cocksucker by the name pierre r. mai
10:33 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/jimmy-vestvood-amerikan-hero/ << Trilema - Jimmy Vestvood : Amerikan Hero
10:33 asciilifeform diana_coman: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2051&cpage=1#comment-18460
10:33 asciilifeform err, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2051&cpage=1#comment-18461
10:34 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760637 << hilariously, i had previously read the whole thing... on fcc's www. ( they have a public pillory of all citations/fines/complaints/etc )
10:34 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 14:57 BingoBoingo: In other pirate radio vs SOP lulz: https://archive.is/AWcBV "When the agents inquired about the nature of Sidos’ relationship with Mr. Polynice, they asserted that they had not seen him in two years. When the agents asked about the unlicensed transmitter, the Sidos alternately refused to respond or claimed that no radio transmitter had been operated on their property since the 2012 in rem seizure... As had occurred during the Augus
10:34 asciilifeform apparently arse technica starved for noosefodder
10:35 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760640 << would be interesting to see exactly how this 'bug' looked. but currently can't be arsed to unearth the old crud ( where even is it )
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10:35 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 15:30 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760601 << "Releases prior to release 1.0.2 had a bug that could lead to input being ignored and hence wrong message digests being calculated for input with repeated calls to sha3-update (see README file for details). Please upgrade as soon as possible, since this bug can lead to unintended collisions in generated message digests." and of course "The library should be portable across nearly a
10:36 asciilifeform i did read the current item, imho quite ugly
10:36 mircea_popescu i expect.
10:36 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> apparently arse technica starved for noosefodder << Aha, notice the throwaway blah blah minoritit afterthought!
10:36 mircea_popescu a converse of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760179 ie lisp written by imbeciles on the level of phil daian.
10:36 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 02:59 phf: i mean, if you read norvig's python snippets you can clearly see they are written by a very experienced lispers. you literally never see python like that in the wild, but yet there it is.
10:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'fortranistic' lisp
10:38 asciilifeform tho in all fairness the unoptimized 'reference' is at least not immediately nauseating ( https://github.com/pmai/sha3/blob/master/keccak-reference.lisp )
10:39 asciilifeform and, shitgnomery aside even, x86-optimized lispolade is ~always~ nauseating to read
10:39 asciilifeform there is not a pill against this; it is why cmachine Must Die
10:40 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760642 << the part that was never clear to me is 'if speed of clean lisp is inadequate, why not write whole thing in asm; if adequate -- why commit this war crime'
10:40 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 15:30 mircea_popescu: ll ANSI compliant CL implementations with specialized versions tuned for implementations that offer unboxed 64bit arithmetic, unboxed 32bit arithmetic and for implementations with efficient fixnum arithmetic, i.e. requiring fixnums that can represent (unsigned-byte 16)."
10:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nibble was a HALF BYTE! and a byte was REGISTER WIDTH. so no, it wasn't customarily 4, it was customarily half of 8 for as long as registers were 8. nibble today should be 32 bits.
10:41 * mircea_popescu should put this in the very blog in question but plox take out that damned chicken clucking thing.
10:41 asciilifeform consider the approach in ffa. only critical bottlenecks, that soak up 90+% of cycles and create an impractically-slow rsa op , get massaged ~to the extent necessary~ , and without compromising type safety
10:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: a byte is still 8.
10:42 mircea_popescu not in my ideal world ;/
10:42 asciilifeform this is a persistent confusion , byte vs register , in mircea_popescu's head, and will have to be cured
10:42 mircea_popescu a byte is fucking 64 bits in all compliant machinery.
10:42 asciilifeform lol i'm for 11bit bytes then!1
10:42 mircea_popescu for some machines.
10:42 asciilifeform rs232 et al eat 8bit bytes, sadly
10:43 asciilifeform no practical way around it.
10:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, i understand why the sins of the flesh make this unavoidable. but it's still fucking wrong god damned it all to heck.
10:43 asciilifeform in that sense binary-logic was the original sin.
10:43 asciilifeform ( asciilifeform has written on the subj in the past, and will again )
10:43 mircea_popescu and why the fuck would you maintain it in a place which has no need to maintain it. ffa is free from said flesh.
10:44 asciilifeform nope. it relies on binary shifts, and on bitnesses being powers of 2
10:44 asciilifeform makes karatsuba cut cleanly.
10:44 asciilifeform ( abolishing the otherwise inescapable copying and special-cases )
10:44 mircea_popescu but not on "byte" meaning anything other than what it does, which is to say... "how much the machine takes in at a time"
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10:45 asciilifeform afaik all of the routines as they stand nao, will work on nontraditional bitnesses of bytes and bytenesses of words
10:45 mircea_popescu i know.
10:45 asciilifeform but not nontraditional arity of bit.
10:45 asciilifeform all of them but the FFA_IO items and the hex_digit thing.
10:46 asciilifeform it also so happens that i do not own a non8bitbyte iron to test on, nor know where to obtain such.
10:46 asciilifeform would have to be emulated, and gcc retargeted...
10:47 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760654 << fucking annoying this imperial summarization style. "it had a bug" costs as much to say as "it had so and so bug". but nooooo, god forbid anything effectual ever occurs.
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10:47 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 15:35 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760640 << would be interesting to see exactly how this 'bug' looked. but currently can't be arsed to unearth the old crud ( where even is it )
10:47 asciilifeform ( this is prolly doomed to happen in the end. i.e. gotta retarget gnat to a simplified mips or the like, and then run in emulator, verify actual clock cycle counts )
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10:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i very frankly expect exactly nothing to be done about it ; i'm just bitter and that's all.
10:48 shinohai kek http://archive.is/Og41F
10:48 asciilifeform eggog
10:49 asciilifeform but just as well, loox like rubbish
10:49 BingoBoingo 89909
10:49 asciilifeform srsly shinohai reddit is worse habit than smoking
10:49 asciilifeform by far.
10:49 asciilifeform you ain't ever getting those brain cycles back
10:49 BingoBoingo Srsly, at least smoking provides social cover when you lack other vices
10:49 shinohai why foxx?
10:49 asciilifeform i hear also drives off plague flea
10:50 BingoBoingo AHA, and mosquito
10:50 BingoBoingo And plenty of pretty girls need to know who to ask for a light
10:51 mircea_popescu reading the keccak lisp thing that unpleasant irk becomes inescapably evident : this is just fucking "advanced" rot 13.
10:51 mircea_popescu "here's our list of 13s" "here's our other list of 13s"
10:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: revelation : ALL classic hash algos are .
10:52 mircea_popescu i keep trying to not think so.
10:52 asciilifeform ditto symmetric ciphers ( we already discussed, they are equivalent )
10:52 asciilifeform keccak in fact can be used as cipher without modification ( it dun suffer length-extensions )
10:53 mircea_popescu here, might as well : in case anyone needs magic numbers, for lottery or w/e, you can just use ( 0 36 3 41 18) ( 1 44 10 45 2) (62 6 43 15 61) (28 55 25 21 56) (27 20 39 8 14
10:53 mircea_popescu just as magic as anything else.
10:53 asciilifeform more specifically, you can use it as cipher without modification and without suffering immediate kindermat
10:53 asciilifeform ( unlike e.g. sha2 )
10:55 asciilifeform but to return upstack , if one could design a satisfactory ( somehow! ) hash , it would thereby also necessarily be a satisfactory symm cipher.
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10:55 asciilifeform and vice-versa.
10:55 asciilifeform and prng.
10:55 asciilifeform !#s cipher triangle
10:55 a111 0 results for "cipher triangle", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=cipher%20triangle
10:55 asciilifeform hm
10:55 asciilifeform could've sworn we had this thread.
10:56 * BingoBoingo pretty sure thread had, but under what key words...
10:56 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-02#1621207
10:56 a111 Logged on 2017-03-02 18:13 asciilifeform: they are sides of the same triangle.
10:56 asciilifeform ^ thread.
10:56 asciilifeform ( or rather, starting here, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-02#1621201 )
10:56 a111 Logged on 2017-03-02 18:10 asciilifeform: a 'secure prng' is fundamentally THE SAME animal as the 'secure hash' and the 'secure blockcipher'.
10:57 BingoBoingo http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/26/as-it-turns-out-fireworks-do-not-photograph-well-navidad-in-the-land-of-tranquility/#comment-114452
10:57 asciilifeform this item is the sucking black hole of suction at the heart of all modern cryptohokum
10:59 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760692 << they don't want you to LOOK at the 'bug'. elementarily.
10:59 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 15:47 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760654 << fucking annoying this imperial summarization style. "it had a bug" costs as much to say as "it had so and so bug". but nooooo, god forbid anything effectual ever occurs.
10:59 mircea_popescu fucktards.
10:59 asciilifeform would rather magic it away. like in microshit's ciphered patches. ( i knew folx who made a comfortable living simply by reversing those. )
11:00 mircea_popescu entirely chtonic civilisation, it copied more from the original socialists than just goebbel's radio playlist. it fucking copied the will-to-die, and substantially.
11:00 mircea_popescu what the american aims to is to no longer exist.
11:01 asciilifeform and not to die 'with a bang' driving panzer over untermenschen, either
11:01 mircea_popescu "maybe if i sit really still i cease to be ? no ? how about if i also close eyes ? still ? plug ears as well, how about then ???"
11:01 mircea_popescu no, they want to die quietly and alone in a corner.
11:01 asciilifeform but moar like victorian typhoidal 'nedeflorena' or who was it
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11:01 mircea_popescu lol!
11:01 mircea_popescu you get that joke ?
11:01 asciilifeform aha reread recently
11:01 mircea_popescu pretty good
11:02 asciilifeform it was.
11:02 asciilifeform trilema-1armbandit a+++ would roll again
11:02 mircea_popescu you'll ruin my idea of romanian difficulty and i'll end up going "what, you don't get this kindergarten fare?!?!" at poor innocent slavegirls.
11:02 asciilifeform it's not a martian lang or anyffing, not rice kingdom hieroglyph.
11:02 asciilifeform BingoBoingo is prolly almost ready to eat it at this point
11:03 asciilifeform relatedly http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740761 is apparently quite popular, but no meaningful backlink-headerolade, so i have nfi by whom/why
11:03 a111 Logged on 2017-11-19 19:22 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ro_eng_tech.txt http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ro_eng_expr.txt << 313333337 w4r3z
11:04 mircea_popescu (for les autres : defloration is another word for losing one's virginity. the woman's name being lorena, and her disposition deeply pubescent anxiotic (you should know what this is) which is beyond ridiculous in a 40yo not to mention hysterical given the amount of compensatory covers-for-impotence she engages in, pretending entirely without basis to be an actress, poetess and whatnot -- the nedeflorena name immediately clicke
11:04 mircea_popescu d.)
11:04 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It turns out that Portuguese is making a strong case for third lang
11:04 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo once man takes ibovniki, man can not stop at arbitrary count.
11:04 mircea_popescu !#s 0 1 infinity
11:04 a111 13 results for "0 1 infinity", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=0%201%20infinity
11:04 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Aha
11:05 mircea_popescu oh no fucking way. this was a leit-motif
11:05 asciilifeform !#s one two three infinity
11:05 a111 1 result for "one two three infinity", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=one%20two%20three%20infinity
11:05 asciilifeform gamow
11:06 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-14#1163905
11:06 a111 Logged on 2015-06-14 16:31 mircea_popescu: that's ok, the rule is 0 1 infinity.
11:06 mircea_popescu apparently disused
11:06 asciilifeform traditionally the 3 is in'ere. e.g. 'what three know, the sow knows'
11:06 asciilifeform ( does that exist in english ? )
11:07 mircea_popescu im sure
11:09 BingoBoingo The ordering is more one of prioritizing. No need to stop. At any number of languages, but the focus can shift. As time makes the spanish more comfortable, Portuguese is a natural next point of focus.
11:09 asciilifeform 1 of these days asciilifeform gotta translate maslennikov. the ONLY afaik discussion of The Gaping Black Hole Of Cryptohokum that exists outside of tmsr.
11:09 asciilifeform !#s maslennikov
11:09 a111 19 results for "maslennikov", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=maslennikov
11:10 mircea_popescu doesn't the pet read ru ?
11:10 asciilifeform about as well as i read ro
11:11 mircea_popescu so give her a copy, correct the item she produces and there you go, she got a blog now.
11:11 mircea_popescu speaking of copies, anyone got anathem warez ?
11:13 asciilifeform 1s
11:14 asciilifeform got it here, but it's a html zip
11:14 asciilifeform ( aka 'epub' )
11:15 mircea_popescu can work
11:15 asciilifeform can load OPS/xhtml/contents.xhtml in lynx , i think
11:15 * mircea_popescu has long despaired of any hope anyone would produce text in some kind of proper format.
11:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform can put it through bash grindfer, make it be text.
11:15 asciilifeform it's chapterized
11:16 mircea_popescu cat exists
11:16 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/warez/a.epub
11:17 mircea_popescu ty
11:17 asciilifeform ( can unzip like ordinary pkzip , or even view on crappletron etc )
11:17 asciilifeform it's actually why asciilifeform keeps a crappletron
11:17 mircea_popescu the next article title will be "we shall now read anathem", if that wasn't obvious
11:18 asciilifeform lolyes
11:18 mircea_popescu o look, there's a pt07 AND a part07
11:18 mircea_popescu yay for ambiguous
11:18 asciilifeform contents.xhtml
11:19 mircea_popescu a cool.
11:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/NwUJd/?raw=true
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11:21 asciilifeform ^ 3133333333337 ascii w4r3z
11:21 asciilifeform you can throw the html.
11:22 asciilifeform ( unless you like flipping to the glossary, stephenson did a bit of lem-like play with language )
11:22 mircea_popescu im set, thanx.
11:28 mircea_popescu please tell me hylaea is not a reference to the fucking futurists
11:28 asciilifeform none of it is much of a reference to anything, save for a coupla old greeks
11:28 asciilifeform this was the d00d's 1 properly original item.
11:29 asciilifeform and asciilifeform's single favourite piece of english 'sf'.
11:29 mircea_popescu "Science fiction author Neal Stephenson has become the "Chief Futurist" of Magic Leap, an augmented reality company"
11:29 mircea_popescu i beg your pardon ?
11:30 asciilifeform he went full tard coupla yrs ago. it was sad.
11:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform dja know the group im talking of ? "pushkin should be thrown overboard the steamship of modernity" ?
11:31 asciilifeform nope. and i suspect i'll regret finding out.
11:31 asciilifeform just pretend he's dead...
11:31 mircea_popescu Пощёчина общественному вкусу
11:32 asciilifeform really he oughta have fallen victim to a falling turtle after writing 'anathem'.
11:32 mircea_popescu imo the only proper root of 4chan.
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11:59 asciilifeform in other noose, ben_vulpes , trinque , ircbot on sbcl 1.0.38-3.el6 : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/aojeZ/?raw=true
11:59 asciilifeform ^ by all indications, cl-irc is broken by something-or-other in the massive pot-o-liquishit
12:00 asciilifeform ^ triggered by the ircbot-connect invocation .
12:14 asciilifeform !!up pehbot
12:14 deedbot pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.
12:14 asciilifeform !A [helloworld]
12:14 pehbot asciilifeform: helloworld
12:14 asciilifeform !!down pehbot
12:15 asciilifeform ^ will hang around, nao.
12:15 asciilifeform ( it dun work with privmsg yet. but otherwise caan use. )
12:18 asciilifeform meanwhile, in other recent 'to allcomers' lulz , https://archive.is/3OTat >> '...n the Tesla world as a Model S owner built a cryptocurrency mining rig in his electric car... The idea was suggested in order to use the free access to electricity with the Supercharger network. Technically, if someone is able to draw power from the Tesla to power those mining systems... '
12:24 mircea_popescu o wow, socialism doesn't work in way #5465498758
12:24 asciilifeform sadly working miners are ~unobtainable so it won't become a mass item
12:25 asciilifeform but perhaps sumthingelse... say, aluminum refining..
12:30 phf asciilifeform: i know this one, it's unix!
12:30 asciilifeform ahahahahalol
12:30 asciilifeform onlywinningmoveisnottoplay(tm)(r)
12:30 asciilifeform or am i mixing my 1980solade
12:31 phf asciilifeform: serve event is a cmucl way of tracking streams of every kind (since no threading, repl mainloop is a reactor pattern). sbcl has just lifted the whole thing, but then never really redid the architecture
12:32 phf so that's why you sometimes get an infinite error loop with fd-register somesuch when you abruptly lose connection
12:32 asciilifeform this wasn't an abrupt- anything
12:32 phf right right
12:32 asciilifeform it was a whole majorversion of sbcl that simply won't usocket..
12:32 phf can i fucking finish?
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12:32 * asciilifeform ended up digging up another and replacing
12:32 asciilifeform aha?
12:34 phf so instead of addressing the core machinery, they put these hooks all over the place, where some things are part of serve event, and some are not. anyway, you ran into the fact that 1.0.42 introduced a flag to socket-make-stream :serve-events, which is true by default. it was later changed to false
12:34 phf but usocket probably defensively passes serve-events nil to make sure that "legacy" machinery doesn't kick in, because nobody knows about it, or wants to deal with it
12:35 phf relevant patch https://github.com/sbcl/sbcl/commit/6e02a5455aeef5a4642a2334348544c1f19775ad#diff-912df0bf4505a2db68a4b714e475e225R385
12:35 asciilifeform ugh
12:35 phf yo, modern sbcl!
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12:36 * asciilifeform can't wait to tip that particular cement mixer..
12:36 phf if you want all of your compatability layers to work, you are forced to run trunk of everything.
12:36 phf (which is by the way not what i do, i just fucking fix. every. single. fucking. piece. of. quicklisp. packaged. code. i. get. my. hands. on. motherfuckers)
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12:36 asciilifeform gotta post these fixes
12:37 asciilifeform or at least the process whereby produced.
12:38 phf it's not added up to coherent whole yet. so far the conclusion is that compatability layers are evil, and that you basically have to maintain own versions of everything that abstracts your lisp implementation details
12:39 asciilifeform of everything -- period
12:40 asciilifeform otherwise you have 'submarine with screen door'.
12:40 phf it would be perhaps worthwhile to triangulate sbcl towards a common deployment platform
12:43 phf and it is submarine with screen doors. it's possible that asdf in vpatches is the door through which the horror comes.
12:43 phf (not to mention what i bring up all the time, that asdf itself is the horror now)
12:44 asciilifeform i expect there'll be plenty of rubbish in the genesis. as there was in trb.
12:44 asciilifeform point is that it becomes removable!
12:44 asciilifeform and naturally no pulling-in of anything , in asdf or other packagetron, that hasn't been vgenesised.
12:44 asciilifeform ( or whole effort is that very same submarine )
12:44 phf one solution could be to, e.g. post cl-irc, but hard coded to a specific sbcl implementation. whoever wants to port it elsewhere (like cmucl or whatever) can just post a #-sbcl #+cmucl vpatch, etc.
12:45 phf (fwiw ircbot is already sbcl specific, since it relies on a bunch of sbcl threading extensions, so pulling compat layer for cl-irc is a waste)
12:46 asciilifeform nao this is so. it prolly oughta use naked sbclism for sockets.
12:46 asciilifeform or even ffiism
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13:43 ben_vulpes phf: neat summary, ty
13:44 ben_vulpes i started vendoring swaths of lisp code recently myself
13:44 ben_vulpes while useful in some contexts, once phf said 'asdf is a pig with lipstick', could not unsee.
13:59 phf ben_vulpes: note that older versions of asdf actually work. i've been running 1.369 in my cmucl, and it does require manually updating half of your asdf to remove various later extensions, but it works
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14:01 phf 1.369 is 1548 cloc vs. 3.3.1 10789!
14:01 asciilifeform holyfuq
14:02 phf there's actually some extensions that are not necessarily evil (like :email or :author in a defsystem), bulk of fail comes from test-op, that's not supported in old version, but that nobody uses test-op consistently at all
14:03 phf also particularly gendered packages outright put #-asdf3 (error "requires asdf3") and ~usually~ it's because they silently rely on uiop, far's unix compatability layer
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14:05 phf fare claims somewhere that he solved a gnarly dependency resolution bug in asdf, but the nature of bug is never revealed, and SAT is never mentioned (i suspect most bugs in asdf would be SAT related)
14:06 asciilifeform sat ??
14:06 asciilifeform as in n-sat ?!
14:07 phf sat as in satisfiability problem
14:07 asciilifeform why is that in there??
14:07 asciilifeform v dun have a sat-solver!!
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14:08 phf well, dependency resolution is a SAT problem at its core
14:08 phf and there's probably no formal sat in asdf. i'm saying that bulk of dependency resolution problems would come from sat though
14:09 asciilifeform again observe, v runs without a general satsolver.
14:09 asciilifeform why it -- can, but asdf liquishit - cannot ??
14:10 asciilifeform lemme guess, there are blocking packages ? that can't be used together on 1 system ?!
14:10 asciilifeform i.e. a 'not gate'
14:13 phf v runs with a special case of sat solver. i don't understand which part of "asdf doesn't have a sat solver" and "sat is never mentioned" is not clear. i'm saying that whatever dependency resolution is always a special case of sat. you put some contraints on it (no cirlces, etc.) and then you can have special case solutions.
14:14 asciilifeform lol in this sense an adder is 'specialcase of satsolver'
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14:14 asciilifeform errythingis
14:14 phf v also doesn't solve all the problems that asdf attempts to solve (for example compilation dependency)
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14:14 asciilifeform i'll bite : how not ?
14:14 asciilifeform if your universe is vtronic, you dun have 'dependencyproblems'. definitionally.
14:15 phf v relies on build systems to actually build
14:16 phf so your entire makefile logic is outside of scope of v
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14:18 phf for example one thing that i tried with my lisp workflow is to have the system automatically compile/load touched files in their order of appearance in a v patch. but the order here is explicitly linear, requires fiddling with patch order, and is definitely not how we use it now
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14:23 phf also v doesn't recognize state. in a tree A->B pressing to A, then loading, then pressing to B, then loading is different than pressing to B right away and loading the result
14:26 phf obviously not designed for that, but the assumption here then is that you're running a fresh instance for each fresh press, which is suboptimal for a lisp (this particular detail will likewise come up when v is run on an always-on system of any kind, be that a cuntoo or a lispm)
14:29 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760893 << this is a thing to be eventually fixed.
14:29 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 19:16 phf: so your entire makefile logic is outside of scope of v
14:29 asciilifeform ( incidentally gprbuild, which is used in ffa, is quite interesting. )
14:30 asciilifeform and to the extent lisps dun play nicely with freshly-pressed instances -- it is the lisps which are broken
14:31 asciilifeform the irreplicable-churning-pot-of-liquishit mentality that always-on items tend to suffer from -- is a disease, will have to be cured.
14:31 asciilifeform *extant
14:35 phf lisps deal with freshly-pressed instances as well as anything else: by doing a clean restart. my point is not lisps, my point is that current solution assumes lack of state and delegates the problem to a non-v-tronic build system
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14:35 asciilifeform phf: i was thinking of cures in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758977
14:35 a111 Logged on 2017-12-27 02:01 asciilifeform: picture a kind of 'multiverse ada', where you dun call foo(bar), but instead foo:somepatchid(bar:somepatchid) etc, explicitly conforming to 'multiversism'...
14:35 asciilifeform i.e. a fully vtronic evaluator
14:36 asciilifeform rather than 'automatic clean starts' crapola
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15:09 shinohai Ripple scam overtakes mETH in "market cap" O.o
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15:26 BingoBoingo In other news NYC apartment fire that killed 12 being called deadlist since 1992 provinding ample fodder for 9/11 lovers
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15:50 asciilifeform in other idiocies, 'you are rightly observing that svg doesn't support word-wrapping directly. however, you might benefit from foreignObject elements serving as a wrapper for xhtml fragments where word-wrapping is available.'
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15:50 asciilifeform ( asciilifeform , like complete idiot, went and thought... 'i can make a useful diagram! with svg ! which exists!' )
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15:50 asciilifeform turns out -- nodice
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16:29 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760846 << he's impressively informed isn't he.
16:29 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 17:35 phf: yo, modern sbcl!
16:30 mircea_popescu here's a problem i perceive phf : you could guess about log(n) of my understanding of various things that interest me on the basis of reading trilema ; i could not guess epsilon of thge say your understanding of sbcl on the basis of reading whatever you provide voluntarily. i could glean it from this kind of interaction, but here's what that means : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760839
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16:30 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 17:32 phf: can i fucking finish?
16:30 mircea_popescu in a sense you convict yourself to ricochet.
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16:31 mircea_popescu does this make any sense ?
16:33 asciilifeform sbcl is a pretty interesting example of one of those spiked pits, like e.g. gcc -- items to which there is no practical alternative except 'throw away the comp and build log cabin'. but asciilifeform does not have phf's deep historical view of sbcl/cmucl ; asciilifeform arrived into the spiked pit directly
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16:34 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760849 << but not like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756758 ; why not ? cheap entry right there. /me would definitely read phf's fixed lisp code shelf.
16:34 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 17:36 phf: (which is by the way not what i do, i just fucking fix. every. single. fucking. piece. of. quicklisp. packaged. code. i. get. my. hands. on. motherfuckers)
16:34 a111 Logged on 2017-12-22 11:20 diana_coman: for fun: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/21/eucrypt-correcting-mpi-implementation/#comment-1011
16:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what's more, if he gets married deep historical view is in danger of simply going away.
16:34 asciilifeform aha!!
16:34 asciilifeform hence the urgency of 'write!'
16:37 mircea_popescu phf and if you don't share with heathens, make it so !!shelf returns a pile encrypted to my key for instance, nothing wrong with that.
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16:38 mircea_popescu "publish" means "form, and fix the form" not necessarily "share with cows".
16:38 * asciilifeform mutters something re how naggum might still live if he had this
16:38 mircea_popescu indeed.
16:41 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: bots page updated with pehbot.
16:41 asciilifeform ty pete_dushenski !
16:41 mircea_popescu ty
16:41 pete_dushenski np at all
16:41 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: i recommend against the hardcoded summary tho,it'll change regularly
16:41 asciilifeform ( with each ch )
16:41 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759374 << lookup has been there for a while :)
16:41 a111 Logged on 2017-12-28 02:58 shinohai: ah mircea_popescu lookup has been there a while, but i think i forgot to have pete_dushenski push it to his bots page updates.
16:41 asciilifeform just give it the help text.
16:42 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: gotcha. just updating that...
16:42 asciilifeform and it ain't !W
16:42 asciilifeform ( mismatched b/w title of section and the chart )
16:42 asciilifeform !!up pehbot
16:42 deedbot pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.
16:42 asciilifeform !A help
16:42 pehbot asciilifeform: I am PehBot. See also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2051 . My Width is currently fixed to 256 and Height to 32.
16:43 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski not the "or addressed directly" rider either.
16:43 asciilifeform yeah that dun happen, it was before mircea_popescu made a prefix for it
16:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nothing wrong with summary as is, so it'll change, still better an idea than a blank.
16:44 pete_dushenski oh ok. fixed.
16:45 asciilifeform i still see 'pehbot – maintained by asciilifeform – call command “!W”'
16:45 asciilifeform which is wrong, that's candi_lustt's prefix
16:45 pete_dushenski fixed now :/
16:46 asciilifeform ty pete_dushenski , looxgood
16:46 asciilifeform can haz link to ffaseries plox ? ( http://www.loper-os.org/?cat=49 is the metalink )
16:47 asciilifeform stuff it behind the 'Finite Field....' phrase
16:49 pete_dushenski howzitlooknao ?
16:56 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760869 << this sounds suspiciously familiar.
16:56 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 18:59 phf: ben_vulpes: note that older versions of asdf actually work. i've been running 1.369 in my cmucl, and it does require manually updating half of your asdf to remove various later extensions, but it works
16:57 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760873 << you know it's compatible, compatibility, no such thing as compatable.
16:57 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 19:03 phf: also particularly gendered packages outright put #-asdf3 (error "requires asdf3") and ~usually~ it's because they silently rely on uiop, far's unix compatability layer
16:58 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760879 << and what a major advantage this is!
16:58 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 19:07 asciilifeform: v dun have a sat-solver!!
16:59 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760889 << oyesitdoes.
16:59 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 19:14 phf: v also doesn't solve all the problems that asdf attempts to solve (for example compilation dependency)
17:01 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760894 << why ?
17:01 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 19:18 phf: for example one thing that i tried with my lisp workflow is to have the system automatically compile/load touched files in their order of appearance in a v patch. but the order here is explicitly linear, requires fiddling with patch order, and is definitely not how we use it now
17:02 pete_dushenski !!withdraw 0.1456 1824qTKoHQZghCiQnRsjyCWWPY94yJZC9W
17:02 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/O7RgB/?raw=true
17:02 mircea_popescu is the entirety of this fiddling you going "i'm curious how this thing could work/break at the edges?" or is it rather "i wonder how i could run a v tree as an infrastructure node without reboots" ?
17:04 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760903 << rather the current design deproblematizes state altogether (in this sense of state, and problem). hence his comments re "then lisps are broken".
17:04 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 19:35 phf: lisps deal with freshly-pressed instances as well as anything else: by doing a clean restart. my point is not lisps, my point is that current solution assumes lack of state and delegates the problem to a non-v-tronic build system
17:05 mircea_popescu but from a sustainability pow : eulora server currently restarts weekly ; not necessarily because it absolutely must, but because i deliberately did not want to provide a "continuous" item in this sense.
17:06 asciilifeform the 'holy grail' is items which are demonstrably safe to operate continuously -- i.e. fsa with no wedge states. these are not so easy to achieve; FUCKGOATS is one example
17:06 mircea_popescu i can understand the fascination with "this orrery has been in clickety-clacking continuously since 1625", but let's point out that it relies on a) THIS orrery, as opposed to "constantly changing randomly pile of cogs" and b) it's a discrete mechanism, like the human heart. it takes a break every beat. essentially the problem has been hidden, by these, not resolved.
17:06 asciilifeform ( and 1 of the few readily accessible pieces of digital gear that fit this description , afaik )
17:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform fuckgoats still is THIS orrery, rather than "hotswappable"
17:07 asciilifeform actually you can hotswap the analogue boards
17:07 asciilifeform this is in fact part of uncrating test, recall.
17:07 mircea_popescu but not the controller.
17:07 asciilifeform why not ?
17:07 asciilifeform i do it regularly, when testing'em
17:07 asciilifeform not as if the serial dongle gives a fuck
17:07 mircea_popescu while getting entropy out ?
17:07 asciilifeform well for a short while there ain't any, when nothing plugged in
17:07 asciilifeform but also no faux-entropy
17:08 mircea_popescu THIS orrery. not "some collection of parts".
17:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform exactly.
17:08 asciilifeform 4 parts ( serialdongle, controller, the 2 analogueboards )
17:08 asciilifeform can replace in any order and any subset
17:09 mircea_popescu the point is that item either a) operates continuously, provided it is THIS item, ie, this specific collection of parts or else b) is stopped while beingt serviced, ie having a cog replaced. there's no clock that works while having its cogs switched around.
17:09 asciilifeform in point of fact it dun stop when you pull 1 of 2 analogueboards
17:09 mircea_popescu nor is there such a thing as triple bypass while running a marathon
17:09 mircea_popescu nor is it reasonable thereby to expect "this lisp instance runs while a new press gets pulled in"
17:10 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: phf's observation was re how lisp systems often accumulate GBs of state that takes weeks to re-create programatically
17:10 asciilifeform which is troo . and 'not bug, but feature' and in fact plays poorly with vtronics
17:10 asciilifeform but i still blame the lisps, not v.
17:10 mircea_popescu i thought it was re his difficulties in updating the machinery behind btcbase without downtime
17:11 asciilifeform iirc 1 of the ways he got the thing to stand up reliably was via exactly 'save-lisp-and-die' snapshot.
17:11 asciilifeform but i'll let phf answer the particulars of this.
17:11 mircea_popescu i seem to recall this
17:11 * asciilifeform brb, meat
17:11 mircea_popescu i also seem to recall he didn't like it for some reason. anyways.
17:12 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760908 << i know, i went over and pissed in http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/ 's cereal a little bit this morning.
17:12 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 20:09 shinohai: Ripple scam overtakes mETH in "market cap" O.o
17:13 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-18#1544670 was the last i recall on the topic
17:13 a111 Logged on 2016-09-18 22:53 phf: yes, scp, screen, asdf. i had a v based deployment but i wasn't happy with it, so i'm trying to rethink it
17:13 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760909 << recall the good old days when the "reddit experts" / pantsuit&allies actually got to burn in warehouses rather than 18sqft ny apartments ?
17:13 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 20:26 BingoBoingo: In other news NYC apartment fire that killed 12 being called deadlist since 1992 provinding ample fodder for 9/11 lovers
17:13 mircea_popescu seems like the pantsuit lost 90% of sqfootage per capita in the past three years, from ~10 to ~1.
17:14 ben_vulpes pfffhaha
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17:30 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760911 << pre-TeX it for svg ?
17:30 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 20:50 asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform , like complete idiot, went and thought... 'i can make a useful diagram! with svg ! which exists!' )
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18:21 asciilifeform svg, funnily enuff, can't do text worth a shit
18:21 asciilifeform uses browser's text renderer, and requires extensive manual fiddling to , e.g., actually span a text with graphic
~ 26 minutes ~
18:48 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757448 << it just so happens that i saw one in vancouver's gastown neighbourhood last month. not the most tuneful steam whistle and it looks far older than the 40 years of age it actually is, but the plaque did indicate that it was something of a technical innovation. looked like a simplified rube goldberg machine to me.
18:48 a111 Logged on 2017-12-23 16:38 shinohai suddenly wonders if pete_dushenski has ever seen those steam-powered clocks that are in Canada ....
18:50 pete_dushenski can't have too many public clocks though. so much the more if they're technically novel.
19:05 pete_dushenski just read about the 5451-piece richard mille "jura" clock in quebec city, as it happens, and i'll definitely be checking it out next time i'm there. apparently the thing took 6 years to build, which isn't so hard to believe when you see that incorporates a perpetual calendar (which knows leap years from non-leap years, unlike an annual calendar), rementoire d'egalite (for improving accuracy), and equation of
19:05 pete_dushenski time (indicates variation between apparent and mean solar time)
19:11 esthlos http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760509 << well, I haven't be writing C for that long lol
19:11 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 04:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760175 << musta started way the fuck up there then huh :D
19:14 esthlos http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760511 << possible that it got buried in the unconscious somewhere
19:14 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 04:50 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760177 << funny, im pretty sure this was in the logs. as a naggum quote.
19:20 esthlos http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760528 << I swear I've seen it somewhere...
19:20 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 05:11 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760180 << i'ma confess, i have nfi what is or could be 'elegant c'
19:22 esthlos http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20171229/#519 << oh, very interesting. I will look into that
19:22 scriba Logged on 2017-12-29: [05:16:58] <asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760156 << why not needleman-wunsch instead ?
~ 49 minutes ~
20:12 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
20:12 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14260.0, vol: 13663.03851253 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14104.0, vol: 49289.10667292 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14276.6, vol: 3270.19945719 | Volume-weighted last average: 14144.7093776
20:21 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760909 << recall the good old days when the "reddit experts" / pantsuit&allies actually got to burn in warehouses rather than 18sqft ny apartments ?<< That was last year, and how did te steel melt if there was no fire??
20:21 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 20:26 BingoBoingo: In other news NYC apartment fire that killed 12 being called deadlist since 1992 provinding ample fodder for 9/11 lovers
20:21 BingoBoingo body heat?
20:21 mircea_popescu maybe they fucked so vigurously, the friction alighted them.
20:22 mircea_popescu i know yesterday my hand smelled of burned rubber for wringing off teh used condom...
20:24 BingoBoingo Quizas...
20:24 mod6 haha
~ 1 hours 35 minutes ~
22:00 danielpbarron !!up l0de
22:00 deedbot l0de voiced for 30 minutes.
22:04 l0de The l0de radio hour is online! http://www.youtube.com/l0de/live call in live at 315-505-4666 TONIGHTS EPISODE: REMOTE AS FUCK, SHIT MAY NOT WORK
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22:15 mod6 lol, you're giving away a herse?
22:16 mod6 apparently if you can suck your own dick...
22:26 phf from xach's quicklisp update "This update was created with an older version of SBCL. The latest SBCL includes ASDF 3.3.1, which breaks a handful of projects in ways that have not been resolved yet."
22:27 asciilifeform ahahahaha
22:28 ben_vulpes yeah i recently tried a 'modern' asdf and recoiled in horror at how much it broke
22:28 ben_vulpes there's no way that Lord_dpb in the l0de chat is danielpbarron is it?
22:29 ben_vulpes "death to america" << ahahaha
22:29 mod6 lol
22:30 mod6 "are the air jordans still available?" this is like the 3rd or 4th guy.
22:30 mod6 !!up l0de
22:30 deedbot l0de voiced for 30 minutes.
22:31 * asciilifeform tuned in for coupla min, decided 'tards'
22:31 mod6 ^
22:31 mod6 im about to hit the dumpswitch here too... trying to give it a chance.
22:32 danielpbarron ben_vulpes, yeah that's me
22:32 asciilifeform and what's more, the standard type of tard typically 'pirate radio'
22:32 asciilifeform gabgabgabilovethesoundofmyownvoiceprattleprattle
22:33 phf having this shit run in the background makes me feel like i finally made it into The Hackers
22:34 mod6 hack urself a gibson yoh
22:34 phf like i'm that russian guy in a smoked out room on a tiny x60 "da. poyehali!"
~ 33 minutes ~
23:08 asciilifeform in other googlolz, 'In response to user reports, we have disabled some features, such as comments, sharing, and suggested videos, because this video contains content that may be inappropriate or offensive to some audiences.'
23:18 mircea_popescu phf you know that show is apparently very popular with 60yos flattering themselves with "a technical facility" or w/e, clued-in by its own lights crowd?
23:26 phf it very much reminds me of 2600 and related radios. i guess it's the same brooklyn resistance scene. the east coast counterpart to west coast mondo holywood
23:26 phf (unrelatedly, i've read the backlog, i'm muling over it)
23:27 mircea_popescu i've yet to watch any.
23:28 phf !#s 2600
23:28 a111 180 results for "2600", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=2600
23:29 mircea_popescu wait, i thought the hackers was some hbo/lifetime tv series.
23:29 phf oh oh, no the 90s movie with angelina jolie
23:31 mircea_popescu ah
23:31 mircea_popescu the matrix was better, showing that tits are wasted on the pantstupid.
23:33 asciilifeform lol the one with 'upload kungfu'
23:33 mircea_popescu what do you mean "the one"
23:33 mircea_popescu the all. the fucking ALL.
23:33 asciilifeform i only had the 'good fortune' of seeing 1
23:34 phf the matrix had a particularly bad fallout in moscow. i mean americans got off easy with "i'll show you the truth blue pill/red pill". i've lived through 3 years of 8 year old "neos"!
23:34 * asciilifeform can picture.
23:35 mircea_popescu hey, i lived through a few years of 12 yo sandokans.
23:35 mircea_popescu i dun think this is avoidable outside of chemical castration.
23:36 mircea_popescu (pirate / action guy in some early italian rehash of the eternal pirate franchise/noinsense. because no, none of this shit is ever new ; only the watching cows ever are.)
23:36 asciilifeform what'd it even look like for it to be new
23:36 mircea_popescu you know ?
23:39 asciilifeform in other cokemachines, https://strana.ua/news/114755-pokhishchennoho-v-kieve-rossijskoho-kriptovaljutchika-otpustili-za-1-million-dollarov.html << supposedly shinohai's ukr 'ransomed self for milliondollar in btc'
23:39 mircea_popescu so they pick him up again next weekend ?
23:39 asciilifeform ( orig http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759378 )
23:39 a111 Logged on 2017-12-28 03:31 shinohai: http://archive.is/vAfjT <<< now THIS is the lulziest thing, to me, of the entire week.
23:40 asciilifeform why not . ( cokemachine!111 )
23:40 mircea_popescu reminds me of that joke, with the guy trying to get a loan back
23:41 mircea_popescu !!up Meepsheep
23:41 deedbot Meepsheep voiced for 30 minutes.
23:41 Meepsheep ATTENTION ben_vulpes ATTENTION _whitelogger ATTENTION l0de ATTENTION luny ATTENTION kjj ATTENTION shinohai ATTENTION bad_duck ATTENTION Meepsheep ATTENTION adlai ATTENTION Cory ATTENTION spyked ATTENTION asciilifeform ATTENTION esthlos ATTENTION revnja ATTENTION Valfor ATTENTION lobbesbot ATTENTION r41n ATTENTION mircea_popescu ATTENTION pehbot
23:41 Meepsheep ATTENTION RagnarDanneskjol ATTENTION kanzure
23:41 Meepsheep ATTENTION jhvh1 ATTENTION midnightmagic ATTENTION pete_dushenski ATTENTION Framedragger ATTENTION The20YearIRCloud ATTENTION diana_coman ATTENTION gribble ATTENTION punto ATTENTION mimisbrunnr ATTENTION chrono ATTENTION aegis ATTENTION trinque ATTENTION barpub ATTENTION danielpbarron ATTENTION deedbot ATTENTION mobile46836 ATTENTION StarmanDeluxe ATTE
23:41 Meepsheep NTION candi_lustt ATTENTION dooglus ATTENTION
23:41 Meepsheep TomServo ATTENTION whaack ATTENTION MTW ATTENTION scriba ATTENTION webbyz ATTENTION manamex ATTENTION hanbot ATTENTION mod6 ATTENTION Techman ATTENTION mats ATTENTION jurov ATTENTION a111 ATTENTION toohigh ATTENTION davout_ ATTENTION lobbes ATTENTION yangwao_ ATTENTION joecool ATTENTION mquander ATTENTION BingoBoingo ATTENTION phf ATTENTION Cha
23:41 Meepsheep nServ ATTENTION tb0t ATTENTION ang-st ATTENTION
23:41 Meepsheep ATTENTION ben_vulpes ATTENTION _whitelogger ATTENTION l0de ATTENTION luny ATTENTION kjj ATTENTION shinohai ATTENTION bad_duck ATTENTION Meepsheep ATTENTION adlai ATTENTION Cory ATTENTION spyked ATTENTION asciilifeform ATTENTION esthlos ATTENTION revnja ATTENTION Valfor ATTENTION lobbesbot ATTENTION r41n ATTENTION mircea_popescu ATTENTION pehbot
23:41 Meepsheep ATTENTION RagnarDanneskjol ATTENTION kanzure
23:41 Meepsheep ATTENTION jhvh1 ATTENTION midnightmagic ATTENTION pete_dushenski ATTENTION Framedragger ATTENTION The20YearIRCloud ATTENTION diana_coman ATTENTION gribble ATTENTION punto ATTENTION mimisbrunnr ATTENTION chrono ATTENTION aegis ATTENTION trinque ATTENTION barpub ATTENTION danielpbarron ATTENTION deedbot ATTENTION mobile46836 ATTENTION StarmanDeluxe ATTE
23:41 Meepsheep NTION candi_lustt ATTENTION dooglus ATTENTION
23:41 Meepsheep TomServo ATTENTION whaack ATTENTION MTW ATTENTION scriba ATTENTION webbyz ATTENTION manamex ATTENTION hanbot ATTENTION mod6 ATTENTION Techman ATTENTION mats ATTENTION jurov ATTENTION a111 ATTENTION toohigh ATTENTION davout_ ATTENTION lobbes ATTENTION yangwao_ ATTENTION joecool ATTENTION mquander ATTENTION BingoBoingo ATTENTION phf ATTENTION Cha
23:41 mircea_popescu ffs.
23:41 Meepsheep nServ ATTENTION tb0t ATTENTION ang-st ATTENTION
23:41 Meepsheep ATTENTION ben_vulpes ATTENTION _whitelogger ATTENTION l0de ATTENTION luny ATTENTION kjj ATTENTION shinohai ATTENTION bad_duck ATTENTION Meepsheep ATTENTION adlai ATTENTION Cory ATTENTION spyked ATTENTION asciilifeform ATTENTION esthlos ATTENTION revnja ATTENTION Valfor ATTENTION lobbesbot ATTENTION r41n ATTENTION mircea_popescu ATTENTION pehbot
23:41 Meepsheep ATTENTION RagnarDanneskjol ATTENTION kanzure
23:41 Meepsheep ATTENTION jhvh1 ATTENTION midnightmagic ATTENTION pete_dushenski ATTENTION Framedragger ATTENTION The20YearIRCloud ATTENTION diana_coman ATTENTION gribble ATTENTION punto ATTENTION mimisbrunnr ATTENTION chrono ATTENTION aegis ATTENTION trinque ATTENTION barpub ATTENTION danielpbarron ATTENTION deedbot ATTENTION mobile46836 ATTENTION StarmanDeluxe ATTE
23:41 Meepsheep NTION candi_lustt ATTENTION dooglus ATTENTION
23:41 Meepsheep TomServo ATTENTION whaack ATTENTION MTW ATTENTION scriba ATTENTION webbyz ATTENTION manamex ATTENTION hanbot ATTENTION mod6 ATTENTION Techman ATTENTION mats ATTENTION jurov ATTENTION a111 ATTENTION toohigh ATTENTION davout_ ATTENTION lobbes ATTENTION yangwao_ ATTENTION joecool ATTENTION mquander ATTENTION BingoBoingo ATTENTION phf ATTENTION Cha
23:41 mircea_popescu !!down Meepsheep
23:41 Meepsheep nServ ATTENTION tb0t ATTENTION ang-st ATTENTION
23:41 * asciilifeform expected this
23:41 asciilifeform peyoteway.life lol
23:41 MTW some host
23:42 mircea_popescu you know, the kids really aren't very good at this.
23:46 mircea_popescu !!up biobag
23:46 deedbot biobag voiced for 30 minutes.
23:49 mircea_popescu !!up cutco
23:49 deedbot cutco voiced for 30 minutes.
23:53 ben_vulpes is there a point to that sort of spam that i don't understand?
23:54 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/#selection-39.171-45.12 is the best i got.
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