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01:43 phf asciilifeform: your blog renderer throws a space after < in -- Less-Than part (which is not in the patch)
~ 27 minutes ~
02:10 phf b579b2c553ee2bd3aee8d17d96ae259abfad2ac5 (sha1 of my solution for ascii's puzzle)
~ 7 hours 34 minutes ~
09:44 asciilifeform congrats to phf , the 1st winner of ch4 puzzler.
09:46 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757842 << the wp 'code' plugin is massive headache, i've been fighting it since ch1 . ( e.g in ch4 i had to replace the " in ('"') with a similar-looking uniturd, because double-escape is apparently impossible )
09:46 a111 Logged on 2017-12-24 06:43 phf: asciilifeform: your blog renderer throws a space after < in -- Less-Than part (which is not in the patch)
09:46 asciilifeform ^ this in re: to the ~www~ text strictly !!
09:47 asciilifeform ( i.e. nothing ~inside~ the vpatch, suffers )
09:47 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757839 << this is pretty neat idea
09:47 a111 Logged on 2017-12-24 04:51 mircea_popescu: then once that's established "fish in the sad patches bin" can go into the "how to participate" list
09:51 asciilifeform in other noose, 'aggression' patch is apparently ~the~ pill against what ailed zoolag; 482253 -> 484621 in ~12hr , previously that was 3-4 day's worth
09:52 asciilifeform ( naturally , this is not a Troo Rigorous test. that'd go as i described, 2 identical, save for 'aggression', boxen, on 2 identical pipes )
09:57 asciilifeform the current test on zoolag, however, is mighty interesting: after floundering in a sea of prb for ~hour, thing's been loading blocks almost continuously. at this rate will actually sync in a week or so.
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10:25 shinohai I fully intend to report on my results with patch after all this holiday nonsense is over.
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10:49 shinohai Why have I never seen this gem before? https://woz-u.com/ "Woz U provides a personalized approach to coding and tech education designed to get you through the curriculum faster so that you can get into the workforce quicker, and start changing the world."
10:52 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757845 << mp-wp does ('"') natively, of course.
10:52 a111 Logged on 2017-12-24 14:46 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757842 << the wp 'code' plugin is massive headache, i've been fighting it since ch1 . ( e.g in ch4 i had to replace the " in ('"') with a similar-looking uniturd, because double-escape is apparently impossible )
10:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this one isn't a wp problem per se, it's interaction b/w wp and the colorizer thing
10:53 asciilifeform took a bit of massage to get it to stop mutilating >, <, &
10:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what did you use for say & ? replaced with &#38 ? in which case does &#34 work for " ?
10:57 mircea_popescu phf's codepoint idea is powerful indeed.
10:57 asciilifeform < , <, & , did not have to uniturd, there are ready-made escapes for these
10:57 asciilifeform err, >
10:58 asciilifeform i'ma prolly have to rewrite the code-formatter plugin thing, it insists on autoprocessing to emplace the escapes, but does not do ~mismatched~ double-quotes
10:58 asciilifeform the as-is incurably kills it, because unpaired quote.
10:59 asciilifeform ( being a code formatter, it naively insists on colouring the inside of the double-quotes... )
10:59 mircea_popescu better escape everything than special-escape some and then be stranded.
11:01 asciilifeform author, apparently, did not give it any ability to distinguish 'standalone double-quote because actually need it' from 'idjit user forgot to close the " '
11:01 mircea_popescu dwym!
11:01 asciilifeform well how would it dwim. gotta offer an explicit escape. and the thing, apparently, doesn't.
11:02 asciilifeform ( and can't simply use the html escape notation, because it gets literalized by the code-formatter )
11:02 mircea_popescu tsk
11:02 mircea_popescu this is a fine example of why modularization sucks.
11:02 asciilifeform aha!
11:03 asciilifeform it is theoretically possible to write a correct module, but prolly not by homo-phpicus.
11:03 mircea_popescu or rather, ad-hoc modularization, in point of fact yet another necessarily failed attempt to go out of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704268
11:03 a111 Logged on 2017-08-28 23:10 mircea_popescu: kanzure " Obviously there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning."
11:03 mircea_popescu "the linux way" works for as long as.
11:04 mircea_popescu correct module shall be written under the whip and in no other place.
11:05 asciilifeform whip has curative power but apparently wasn't enuff for, e.g., microshit
11:06 mircea_popescu eh, scensters don't count.
11:06 mircea_popescu they have this in bdsm too, you know, rabid idiots doing "scenes", where they pretend like they're doing it.
11:06 asciilifeform cargocultism?
11:06 mircea_popescu authentic fear in the sweat and authentic blood on the instruments or no dice.
11:06 mircea_popescu aha.
11:07 mircea_popescu well, in typical manner of usgtronic cargocultism, they pretend to themselves as a captive audience that they've embraced&extended successfully.
11:07 mircea_popescu but hey, by now the stuff of "bitcoin is backed by nothing, stick to dollars" is well stale i'd guess.
11:07 * asciilifeform often tries to picture what kind of software would have been written under stalin, if there had been on-what
11:08 mircea_popescu i'm not entirely sure stalin was capable. you see, the buffett mind, "i'm a smart conservative peasant", which seems to my eyes to be what stalin (or for that matter ro hatman) was struggling towards dun work for conceptual worlds.
11:08 mircea_popescu because there's not so much conceptual within peasant ancestral experience.
11:08 asciilifeform it's a stretch, conceptually, sure
11:08 mircea_popescu hatman HAD on what with. missed out on what TO.
11:08 asciilifeform but i did say ~under~ stalin, not 'by'
11:09 mircea_popescu there is no under that's not an extension of by.
11:09 mircea_popescu this follows from the definition of terms, if you manage to find a domain outside of the view of the whip therefore you escaped.
11:09 asciilifeform kurchatov was able to work in conceptual sphere, and not only without interference but with offer of 'tell us who is getting in the way, he'll be gone next morning'
11:09 asciilifeform and very muchly under stalin.
11:09 mircea_popescu which isn't nearly as fortunate a happy occurence as the fantasy-mind imagines from within ; but anyway
11:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform there is that ; but not reliably, hence soviet alt-genetics.
11:10 asciilifeform there was a specific conversation, legendarily:
11:10 asciilifeform stalin summoned kurchatov to the throne room, and described to him 'we're gonna have a cleanup, in physics, like in genetics, what do you think'
11:11 asciilifeform kurchatov, supposedly, sat and thought, and few minutes later answered, 'perhaps from philosophical pov this'd be consistent. but then we will have to forget about obtaining the bomb.'
11:11 mircea_popescu ahaha
11:12 asciilifeform s replied 'bomb'
11:12 mircea_popescu smart man. do you see however how this is STRICTLY equivalent to slavegirl going "master, this spot, this spot doesn't hurt like the others, hit it harder."
11:12 asciilifeform then next wk 'tell us who is trying to be philosophical, and getting in the way...'
11:12 mircea_popescu ie, deliberately contrived to extend whip reach for herself.
11:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha. sorta why i retell it nao.
11:12 asciilifeform it pertains.
11:12 mircea_popescu this only works with extreme purists.
11:12 mircea_popescu otherwise, the fantasy-mind. "wouldn't chocolate be better ?"
11:14 asciilifeform it also only works where you have a throne room. would do 0 against a fungus.
11:15 asciilifeform kurchatov could strike a gentleman's understanding with stalin. but would have 'snowball's chance in hell' against a committee.
11:15 mircea_popescu no, committee is very strictly dedicated to failing on the h bomb or anything else.
11:16 mircea_popescu it is an outgrowth of socialist fantasy, specifically constructed to deliver on the constructed impotence of socialism.
11:16 mircea_popescu there's some log discussion of why nothing must ever happen.
11:17 asciilifeform from pov of committee chair-warmer, 'something happening' is as desirable as an out-of-ordinary day at nuke power station
11:18 mircea_popescu quite.
11:18 mircea_popescu apparently i can't find that discussion now.
11:18 mircea_popescu i've engineered hell for myself here, "it's either in the log or on the blog" yes tyvm
11:23 asciilifeform !#s from:mircea_popescu nothing happen
11:23 a111 40 results for "from:mircea_popescu nothing happen", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea_popescu%20nothing%20happen
11:23 asciilifeform ^ recurring thread
11:23 mircea_popescu yes, but this isn't it ; i'd have thought it'd have ecology in it because i recall the link being made, but also no dice.
11:25 asciilifeform there remains the possibility that it was not, yet, in the l0gz...
11:25 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751002 << ding!
11:25 a111 Logged on 2017-12-13 19:27 mircea_popescu: that is after all the point, neh, to somehow get as large a headcount as possible through the various gates (born, college, credit cards, mortgage, retirement hgome etc) WITHOUT "harming the environment" which in any practical sesne means... without changing anything.
11:25 mircea_popescu thanks.
11:26 mircea_popescu this is the "day at nuke power station". and "boys will be boys" ie someone ACTUALLY DOING something is exactly the worst fucking nightmare.
11:26 mircea_popescu all-girl school best. like they saw in africa.
11:26 asciilifeform see also :
11:26 asciilifeform !#s societal security
11:26 a111 3 results for "societal security", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=societal%20security
11:26 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1450220 << thread
11:26 a111 Logged on 2016-04-11 17:05 asciilifeform: they have a phrase they use amongst themselves, 'societal security'.
11:26 mircea_popescu legendarily, ceausescu visited best korea at some point, came back inspired with "Great Juche-like Ideas" [evidently claimed as independent, because all peasants are mormon smith] ;
11:27 asciilifeform well-known episode aha
11:27 mircea_popescu factually, however, ustardian pantsuit visited africa [the nation of~] where they discovered that all-girl classes are a lot easier for the local subtards to handle than mixed classes they had at home
11:27 mircea_popescu (because who are the writer-in-ny fantasies foolong, 100% of pantsuit were going into teaching)
11:28 mircea_popescu and so decided to...
11:28 mircea_popescu matches observed experience perfectly -- suddenly ghetto empty of males. then... "manspreading".
11:28 mircea_popescu heck, they were even bitching about how euro cyclotron MIGHT ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING, recall ?
11:28 mircea_popescu "higgs boson will end the world!!!"
11:28 mircea_popescu 100% africanism, and it's what the "peace corps" was for
11:29 mircea_popescu in the end it might turn out that vhs-america aborted itself because it listened to a bunch of mediocre women that just wanted an easy time teaching highschool ; but couldn't come out with it because puritan perversion.
11:30 mircea_popescu this is like better aids. meme-aids.
11:31 mircea_popescu the part where "africa had no men BECAUSE IT FUCKING SUCKED" somehow escaped notice. fancy that wonder, http://trilema.com/2015/in-which-orwell-avoids-what-he-does-not-wish-to-see/
11:34 asciilifeform ( unrelatedly, but before i fughet, observation : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755826 i.e. bastardry handler, is unproductive because it asks 'fill in what we're missing', but 99 out of 100 shots, that's ~another~ bastard. really instead it ought to either 1) send a normal pushgetblocks() to the bastard-emitter , asking him for the ~one and only block we won't reject~, it being the immediately-next-one-after-our-topheight , or
11:34 a111 Logged on 2017-12-21 15:07 asciilifeform: // Ask this guy to fill in what we're missing
11:34 asciilifeform , 2 ) disconnect from him )
11:34 mircea_popescu yes!
11:34 mircea_popescu especially 2 after 1 fails
11:35 asciilifeform this'd matter moar in practice if 'aggressive' node saw many bastards . but it now sees very few, because immediately pushgetblocks() when it gets visited.
11:37 asciilifeform thing's been purring along, incidentally, at almost 100% blockverificationdutycycle, for most of a day nao.
11:37 asciilifeform almost like it were 2012 again...
11:37 mircea_popescu problem is the tip
11:37 asciilifeform in ~1wk i expect to learn how it behaves at tip.
11:37 asciilifeform ( supposing ben_vulpes et al , dun report sooner )
11:39 asciilifeform ... as mircea_popescu prolly intuited , it remains possible that 'aggression' takes the trb<->prb link breakage from , say, the 80% of before, to 100% , and i would not learn about it until reaching tip.
11:40 mircea_popescu i don't see any change in behaviour. the prb node will produce ~same % of blocks with or without.
11:40 asciilifeform and speaking of this, can haz patch that logs ~from what kind of node~ each ACCEPTED block came ? ( or do i have to do errything meself..? )
11:40 mircea_popescu and in the end you only get the blocks they give.
11:41 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: right, idea being that it is conceivable that 'aggression' increases isolation . i cannot yet rule it out.
11:41 mircea_popescu to soon to see. dun seem like it so far.
11:41 mircea_popescu hard to outdo malleus for that purpose anyway
11:41 asciilifeform well right nao it's pulling blox from other trb's, at ~100% efficiency
11:42 mircea_popescu trb dun get malleus'd anyway
11:42 asciilifeform exactly like what an unpatched trb does for first hour or three of boot
11:42 asciilifeform aha
11:42 mircea_popescu but yes, within-republic it's a major improvement.
11:42 mircea_popescu and evidently an improvement whose time had come.
11:43 asciilifeform it is possible that it will improve block reception at the expense of outgoing tx propagation.
11:43 asciilifeform ( and may have to be turned into a toggle knob )
11:45 mircea_popescu "early boost" sorta thing
11:45 asciilifeform ... it is equally conceivable that the thing is a pure win, and dun need to become a knob. we'll see.
11:46 asciilifeform !~later tell trinque what do you recommend for a talking-in-chan bot-tron ? i'd like to hook up 'ffacalc'...
11:46 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
11:50 mircea_popescu what's wrong with the bot he published
11:52 mircea_popescu iirc hanbot was using it to do something trilema-related, sounded happy with it.
11:52 asciilifeform nothing, took me a minute or so to recall that indeed it is posted
11:52 asciilifeform now only remains to plug it in
11:54 asciilifeform and i'll add that if somebody other than asciilifeform feels like doing this operation, i will take off my hat
11:54 asciilifeform ( i recommend bolting the width in place to 256 , to keep lines short )
11:56 asciilifeform ( ... at least until operation 'X' , i.e. mod-exp, is defined ! )
11:59 asciilifeform hey mircea_popescu , was http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-07#1623064 q ever resolved ?
11:59 a111 Logged on 2017-03-07 23:12 asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu at the time said that the thing really oughta eat a programmable set of checkpoint
11:59 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757834 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-16#1433709 an' so on. primary function of language, finches have it.
11:59 a111 Logged on 2017-12-24 04:03 trinque: same idiots that all type "h" to each other, line noise for brain.
11:59 a111 Logged on 2016-03-16 11:07 mircea_popescu: which, ungenerously enough, seems just a step away from the breakdown specific to shitholes like argentina, where people altogether don't even comprehend words are in any sense meaningful, above and beyond the chirping captive populations of chickens do to reassure each other.
12:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not afaik.
12:00 mircea_popescu but honestly i'd prioritize db-fix-and-trb-split discussed over these rather cosmetic by comparison improvements.
12:00 asciilifeform because there's a possibility of speeding sync 100-200x... ( the obvious way. if block sha512's, or keccak's, etc. to a checksum-cum-heighposition that is signed by node owner's l1 -- then ACCEPT )
12:00 mircea_popescu something small and desperately needed like better logs i can see ; but by now you're talking painting walls and such
12:00 asciilifeform not quite cosmetic, this. potentially massive speedup .
12:01 asciilifeform as in , stand up new node in 1wk, instead of 3-4 months.
12:01 mircea_popescu yes yes. but on the proper basis
12:01 asciilifeform it ain't a substitute for the cut-up, no.
12:01 mircea_popescu and you don't want to end up with a split code branch
12:02 mircea_popescu because it will cost someone's time to reconcile.
12:02 asciilifeform indeed
12:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform anyway, v-tronization of blockchain is unavoidable.
12:15 mircea_popescu in point of fact, the replacement-pistols will simply be a patch set.
12:16 mircea_popescu and no more of this "monotonously growing" nonsense. whole item as large as will ever be is given at onset.
12:16 mircea_popescu allocate it all now ; if you can't afford to make smaller coinbase.
12:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: plox to elaborate re 'as large as will be'
12:16 mircea_popescu "new bitcoin has 1mn coins ; which can not be split ; to move a coin from nill address to your address you must [...] ; to move a coin from x address to y address you must [...]".
12:17 asciilifeform aaa
12:17 mircea_popescu the whole field array-addresable, "coin #58045 is at... offset... 58045. duh."
12:17 asciilifeform this is exactly the picture asciilifeform drew last yr, aha.
12:18 asciilifeform ( for some reason everybody always asks 'how'll you pass out the coins', but this is orthogonal problem! )
12:19 mircea_popescu nobody asks this ; but anyway, if bitcoin prototyping is any guide, 1kb per entry should suffice ; in which case current computing could in principle actually support a coinset between 1mn and 1bn coins.
12:19 mircea_popescu (way way WAY worse than original optimistic estimates of "21mn divisible to 1e8". but what can you do.)
12:19 asciilifeform well e.g. ben_vulpes asked, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754135
12:19 a111 Logged on 2017-12-19 05:56 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i am very curious in how you figure initial distribution might work
12:20 mircea_popescu anyway, evidently the first [...] stands for what's currently termed "mining" while the second for actual spending.
12:20 asciilifeform ( asciilifeform's answer is 'first you pillage , ~then~ you burn, fughetabout it for the time being, have an algo for the basic mechanics that makes sense, first ! )
12:20 asciilifeform and yes.
12:20 mircea_popescu so if nothing else, you can bootstrap it exactly like bitcoin did.
12:20 mircea_popescu "want coins -- go mine."
12:21 mircea_popescu scheme as described ftr works eminently well with http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/ in that "proof of knowing the txset" becomes meaningful past what's going on now
12:21 asciilifeform could, but then you get http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-02#1745524 .
12:21 a111 Logged on 2017-12-02 16:22 mircea_popescu: anwyay, revisiting an ancient conversation re http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mining+is+a+bug : i have to thoroughly concede this point to asciilifeform . the model is as follows : if a) a PoW system exists in which b) a participating entity can recognize work done by itself as opposed to work done by others then it NECESSARILY follow that entity can, and therefore it ALSO follows that it eventually will c) impose further con
12:21 asciilifeform which is retarded.
12:21 mircea_popescu (in fact it is perhaps obvious that was designed with a view to THIS, rather than "extant battlefield")
12:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform mining doesn't have to mean that.
12:22 mircea_popescu consider the fundamental value of regrinding!
12:22 mircea_popescu nobody can know WHO truly authored a patch. just what set of the signatories signed it that they're willing to share with him
12:22 asciilifeform if mircea_popescu has thought of a meaning for it that doesn't 'a participating entity can recognize work done by itself as opposed to work done by others' -- i'm all ears
12:22 mircea_popescu this is a sort of gossipd-meets-the original "can't have signature repudiation" problem you encountered in comments there, but REVERSED.
12:22 mircea_popescu ie, it's leveraged to fuck over the miner collusion properties of current pow.
12:23 asciilifeform maybe i'm thick, but i dun see the algo 'between the lines' here
12:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform let's model this. let "patch" be a bitfield ; let wot be comprised of l1...ln.
12:23 asciilifeform ok..
12:24 mircea_popescu let observer E know l1...li of this wot. let observer E observe a P signed by a subset l1...lm of his wot.
12:24 mircea_popescu at this point, how would E discern which party of l1..ln originated P ?
12:24 asciilifeform dun tell me we gotta have the ring signatures thread again
12:24 mircea_popescu suppose P was originated by E.
12:24 mircea_popescu how would E know this ?
12:25 asciilifeform process of elimination?
12:25 mircea_popescu take it like this :
12:25 mircea_popescu at t0, E produces P and signs it. E shares P signed by E with l1...lm.
12:25 asciilifeform ok..
12:25 mircea_popescu at t1, E perceives P', signed by l1...lk ; which is not an isomorphism of l1...lm, and might wel lnot even include E
12:25 mircea_popescu what now ?
12:26 asciilifeform what does signature even mean, if folx habitually sign both P and ~P
12:26 asciilifeform or do i miss something
12:26 mircea_popescu that they approve.
12:27 mircea_popescu see, the SELECTION of .sigs you see is not promised to cover the whole space!
12:27 asciilifeform consider, what do you do in your wot housekeeping ~today~ to people who habitually sign P ~and~ ~P
12:27 mircea_popescu much like "you can't repudiate signatures -- can't see whole space" discussion in that thread.
12:27 mircea_popescu asciilifeform do you propose E's "process of elimination" is simple bit-comparison of P and P' ?
12:27 asciilifeform nah, there's a time parameter
12:28 mircea_popescu maybe that works.
12:28 mircea_popescu this -- very rough draft.
12:29 mircea_popescu but in point of fact the hook to hang by is there : at the present time how would someone who is hostile (ie, does not trust what we say) discern who originated mpi ?
12:29 mircea_popescu "phf's time oracle". sure.
12:30 mircea_popescu "especially because it agrees with logotron time oracles". sure...
12:30 asciilifeform 1 way, would be by going to his own cellar and fetching optical disk where he has ~his~ mpi
12:30 asciilifeform sorta like what archaeologists do already.
12:31 mircea_popescu an evident issue would be of course that if ownership is implemented as-to-specified-coin as seen in bitcoin, then E has a ready avenue -- "all txn including spends from my own addresses are mine". this is a somewhat weakening of the premise, but perhaps sufficient.
12:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what's that prove tho ? winklevoss tards periodically go into their basement/den where they "have" "their own" copy of fb.
12:32 asciilifeform it proves only to him, naturally
12:33 mircea_popescu or that weird geek from early pedo-pedia days, what's his name
12:33 asciilifeform how could it prove to anyone else.
12:34 asciilifeform there is not, nor could there be, a fixed-star for existence proofs. even classical blockchain has the obvious limitations ( discussed numerously, see l0gz )
12:34 mircea_popescu anyway.
12:34 asciilifeform ( if you ~could~ get a 'fixed star' , all sorts of marvels not found in nature become possible, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-02#1621087 )
12:34 a111 Logged on 2017-03-02 16:31 asciilifeform: it is worth recalling the gedankenexperiment where it turns out that all you'd need to build 'martian bank' on earth, is if martians merely supplied an infallible 'martian clock', a service whereby they take a string S , at regular, say, daily, interval, and return its hash H
12:35 asciilifeform 'blockchain'ism is simply a very expensive means of approximating a solution to this problem.
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13:22 asciilifeform !~later tell trinque http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/nxnWA/?raw=true << or for that matter anybody else using trinque-bot -- any idea what gives ? i followed the example in the readme...
13:22 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
13:24 asciilifeform oooh i think i see why. ben_vulpes's 'multiple-channels' patch mutilated it
13:24 asciilifeform ( how the fuck did it ever work , ben_vulpes ?? )
13:26 asciilifeform you changed 'channel' slot in ircbot class to 'channels', but never bothered to change the corresponding line in make-ircbot !! ben_vulpes )
13:32 * asciilifeform rewound to trinque's original, which in fact worx.
~ 15 minutes ~
13:47 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/logbot-multiple-channels-corrected#L76
13:48 ben_vulpes sharp eyes, asciilifeform
13:48 asciilifeform no eyes involved, i pressed and used trinque's original usage.txt and got barf
13:48 asciilifeform only then, had to unsheath eyes.
13:49 asciilifeform anyway , worx, now all i need is to think of how to properly cut the output so as not to straddle message breaks...
13:50 ben_vulpes sorry, asciilifeform. i was focused on the logbot part, forgot about the ircbot and to update documentation.
13:50 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: aa see i was making a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757976 .
13:50 a111 Logged on 2017-12-24 16:46 asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque what do you recommend for a talking-in-chan bot-tron ? i'd like to hook up 'ffacalc'...
13:51 ben_vulpes anyways i must have an extra-thick layer of prb, as my node has found precisely one block in the past three hours
13:52 asciilifeform it isn't even impossible that there's only been 1 block in past 2hrs, say
13:52 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: one thing i do with logbot is to use postgres as a queue so that a background worker can do all of the thinking and crashing without thrashing the irc connection
13:53 ben_vulpes this one block took me from 813 to 814
13:53 trinque ben_vulpes: do you by chance have an active connection to 172.86.178.46 ? or did in past ?
13:54 ben_vulpes node was booted with that yes
13:54 trinque a complicating factor of me testing the version string is that while ahead, I may be feeding other TRBs, while not, not.
13:54 asciilifeform i'ma thinking already about next level of possible 'aggression' : namely to pushgetblocks() at ALL running peers, if >20min pass, say, without a new block received
13:55 trinque I'm 60some blocks behind nao.
13:55 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: the same thought occurred to me
13:55 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: consider making a patch ?
13:55 ben_vulpes yeah definitely
13:55 asciilifeform it'll be, what, 4-5 lines.
13:56 ben_vulpes i have another kiestered that i may as well unload at the same time, hash untrunculation
13:56 asciilifeform ^ useful
13:56 asciilifeform right up there with 'from-where-i-got-ACCEPTED-block'
13:56 asciilifeform ( also in the log )
13:56 ben_vulpes heh and what was its height and hash
13:57 asciilifeform that already printed ( the latter , in classical trb, mutilated )
13:57 asciilifeform what i'd like to see is 'was it from a trb?'
13:57 asciilifeform i'd like to get a sense for where blocks come from.
13:57 asciilifeform and from where only rubbish comes.
13:57 trinque be nice if the person fixing logging takes out the idiot printf macro
13:58 trinque I dunno a linux on earth that can't log the direct output of a service
13:58 ben_vulpes right right
13:59 asciilifeform trinque: i suspect that we already had this thread
13:59 asciilifeform i can't speak for others, but asciilifeform often ( almost always, in fact ) runs trb during tests, in pure userland, making use of 0 systemwide loggings )
13:59 asciilifeform it must remain useful when printing to stdio
13:59 trinque so postpend > muh.log
14:00 asciilifeform yea i can't think of any reason whynot.
14:00 trinque what we have now is some snowflake saying "no but this is what printf means to me"
14:00 asciilifeform the 'find and open debug.log somewhere' is a winblowzism.
14:01 asciilifeform 'os' without redirectable output , belongs in the oven.
14:01 trinque mhm
14:01 ben_vulpes lol that's right it comes out of SetBestChain
14:01 ben_vulpes (hash and height, i mean)
14:02 mircea_popescu nah, lots of clients stuck on 500816
14:02 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes ftr that's ~10 hours ago, not 2.
14:03 mircea_popescu tip is 879 as of ~12 mins ago
14:03 asciilifeform funnily enuff, the absolute all-time champ at never-lagging in asciilifeform's house of horrors is... an ancient (circa 2013..?) prb !! e.g. currently at 500849
14:03 mircea_popescu still way behind.
14:04 asciilifeform where's the tip of the spear ?
14:04 asciilifeform aah
14:04 asciilifeform notably i have no way of knowing.
14:04 mircea_popescu it's quite expensive, all this crap.
14:05 asciilifeform vs what, paper cups ?
14:05 asciilifeform yes expensive.
14:05 mircea_popescu i never ran this many computors in my lyf!
14:07 asciilifeform incidentally, this is a pretty sad situation, if even 1 of us has a node at block B, but everybody else somehow floundering at B-k, for some positive k
14:07 asciilifeform *blockheight
14:07 asciilifeform it ought not to be possible under the game rules
14:07 mircea_popescu it's exactly what p2p means.
14:07 asciilifeform ( if i know of a nextblock, and i'm peering with mircea_popescu , and he doesn't, or vice-versa -- the boxes oughta share )
14:08 mircea_popescu and eventually will./
14:08 asciilifeform q is why 'eventually' is a week, 2 weeks
14:08 asciilifeform and not 10min
14:08 mircea_popescu this is what a "gossip" network is all about.
14:09 asciilifeform elementarily.
14:09 asciilifeform single-threaded, locking gossip, is a sad thing tho.
14:09 mircea_popescu yes.
14:15 asciilifeform !~later tell phf plox post your puzzle-hash as comment in ch4
14:15 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
14:19 asciilifeform btw , ftr , sha512(ch4_official_solution.txt) = 6878eec821232031b43b28f955971388d33262531c4205eff6be5e8e0244a2e092556623b9daff54058b781dc9eafc91bf8099c29ef1fd21602eccc18e63c8f1 .
14:21 * asciilifeform bbl,meat
14:23 mircea_popescu in other absolutely-not-news, I suppose the isomorphism http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753616 <<-=->> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1757015 is evident to everyone except the "self-determined" freewilled parties in question.
14:23 a111 Logged on 2017-12-18 17:46 ben_vulpes: dude this is epic, girl would rather talk about calendar offsets than earn a bitcent an hour reading the log
14:23 a111 Logged on 2017-12-22 17:22 weevlos: 2) thats only close to a month of operations budget
~ 25 minutes ~
14:49 mircea_popescu (for bonus lulz, 12795/30/24 = 17.770833333 or roughly speaking 10 to the bitcent.)
~ 15 minutes ~
15:04 ben_vulpes !!up BigTexasBingo
15:04 deedbot BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes.
15:04 BigTexasBingo Did you know, Montevideo can be even more tranquilo
15:05 ben_vulpes hola jefe
15:05 BigTexasBingo Also, congratulations on the acceleration progress
15:05 ben_vulpes mas tranquilo?
15:05 BigTexasBingo Si
15:06 BigTexasBingo The feria was more crowded than los domingos pasados, but most other places closed
15:06 ben_vulpes como esto possible?
15:06 ben_vulpes no party in the streets?
15:06 BigTexasBingo The holiday
15:06 BigTexasBingo Party later, asado and fireworks
15:06 ben_vulpes ah si
15:08 BigTexasBingo Perhaps the foundation could use some prb/trb bridges on boxen running both after the acceleration experiments bring more fruit.
15:10 BigTexasBingo For serious though, how lucky am I that no other lord in the big prison has made their escape here yet
15:11 BigTexasBingo Every single food better than it's closest US equivalent. Eye candy everywhere.
15:11 BigTexasBingo And extranjero superpowers
15:15 BigTexasBingo Where will the other lords land in this era of Great Again
15:20 ben_vulpes a pies, ideally
15:20 BigTexasBingo Lol
15:21 ben_vulpes !!up Hssgh5337k
15:21 deedbot Hssgh5337k voiced for 30 minutes.
15:21 ben_vulpes and who're you, Hssgh5337k ?
15:22 Hssgh5337k Why does that matter?
15:22 ben_vulpes absent identity, one is naught.
15:23 ben_vulpes and to quote BigTexasBingo, the time for showing up and derping around without saying "i am so and so, and should be considered for inclusion in the forum for reasons of x y and z" was in 2013, not the tail end of 2017.
15:24 ben_vulpes come 2020 if not sooner, it'll be "and i beg your consideration".
15:24 BigTexasBingo Nah that was BingoBoingo
15:24 ben_vulpes oh right
15:24 ben_vulpes who are you anyways
15:25 ben_vulpes ;)
15:25 BigTexasBingo Terminal secured for Navidad, BingoBoingo returns el 26 or if emergency appears in log
15:25 Hssgh5337k In that case it seems my skills and opinions are not needed here.
15:25 Hssgh5337k Goodbye.
15:25 BigTexasBingo Well, asl?
15:26 ben_vulpes Hssgh5337k: you could at least mention these skills; otherwise it reeks of "i'm a magical pony and YOU DON'T UNDERSTAAAAND"
15:26 ben_vulpes and no, opinions don't exist here if they don't come from *a person*, which is predicated on an identity.
15:27 ben_vulpes salud.
15:32 BigTexasBingo Brb nap, sobertime, asado!
15:35 ben_vulpes http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/db.cpp#0837 << any reason for this to not come out with the truncation patch?
15:36 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: plox to link to mod6's latest spear-tip ?
15:36 asciilifeform rather than 'who the hell knows if this is even still around' item
15:37 asciilifeform ( it in fact is : http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/db.cpp?%21v=makefiles#0840 . but really oughta link directly imho )
15:39 ben_vulpes ah, makefiles. suresure.
15:40 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758167 << ro was like this. to the point that even nao neither asciilifeform nor his pet can bring themselves to eat at american 'coffee' shops any moar. at all.
15:40 a111 Logged on 2017-12-24 20:11 BigTexasBingo: Every single food better than it's closest US equivalent. Eye candy everywhere.
15:45 ben_vulpes traveling through the suburban wastelands yesterday, i tried a 'starbucks' croissant for lols, thinking to myself, 'imagine if they can screw up the croissant'. and lo, it was terrible. no flake, all soft spongiform inside.
~ 16 minutes ~
16:02 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: some of the bread eaten in blockade-era leningrad , was, i suspect, a serious step ahead of 'starbucks'.
~ 17 minutes ~
16:20 asciilifeform in other noose, asciilifeform discovered that it is impossible to use trinque's bot on fleanode if connecting from a shitazon session:
16:20 ben_vulpes lolrly??
16:20 asciilifeform result is, e.g., NOTICE: hitchcock.freenode.net pehbot "*** Notice -- You need to identify via SASL to use this server"
16:21 asciilifeform and it happens regardless of which *.fleanode box the lottotron gives you
16:21 ben_vulpes and only from aws ips?
16:21 asciilifeform nao how would i know if ~only~ from there
16:21 asciilifeform maybe also from zimbabwe , who the fuck knows
16:21 asciilifeform but quite certainly -- from aws.
16:22 asciilifeform evidently world's largest, fastest spam isp, whod'vethunkit!11, is banned even on fleanode.
16:23 asciilifeform which presently leaves asciilifeform with no place to put the bot ( i won't keep it on zoolag, uncloaked irc-to-fleanode results in massive shitfloods routinely )
16:23 ben_vulpes what port are you connecting on?
16:23 asciilifeform trinque's default
16:24 asciilifeform what was it, 6667
16:24 ben_vulpes mhm
16:25 asciilifeform znc proxy would cure, i suspect
16:25 asciilifeform but nao we're talking about a day or three of work.
16:26 asciilifeform part of the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1756115 process is that they're phasing in 'force people to run heartb^H^H^H^H^H^sasl to merely connect' item.
16:26 a111 Logged on 2017-12-21 17:59 mircea_popescu: NOW, the first, and naive, thought, would be "o noes, all those poor but intelligent engineer minds who will lose their freenode ; we should try to help them"
16:34 ben_vulpes https://medium.com/bread-and-circuses/how-i-got-paid-0-from-the-uber-security-bug-bounty-aa9646aa103f and in responsible disclosurabilia
16:35 asciilifeform 'I put together a Python-based client that can talk to Uber’s backends, to start harvesting OAuth2 tokens for entropy analysis and to see if there are any issues with their PRNG. What’s weird though is that the OAuth2 token doesn’t ever change, and I can’t find anything in the Uber developer documentation that deals with token expiration; literally the same token I was issued when I first created my Uber account for testing i
16:35 asciilifeform s the same token I keep getting, no matter how many times I log in and out of my account using the Surface app' << lel
16:35 ben_vulpes absurdly common
16:35 asciilifeform also Believe Moar PGtronic sc4mz0rz...
16:35 ben_vulpes and they need a next gen authentication framework to fix it...
16:36 asciilifeform 'If you invest any time and effort into HackerOne Bug Bounties, HackerOne does not honor their minimum bug bounty guarantee, and will not go to bat for you if you have a dispute with one of their well-placed vendors such as Uber.' << noshit.jpg
16:37 * ben_vulpes running truncation patch, will get back in the saddle after misc duties of parenting while impoverished
16:38 asciilifeform also why wouldja 1) help hitler 2) for $ 500 3) that you'd have to suffer from down's syndrome to actually believe will be paid ...?
16:40 asciilifeform the 3 or 4 people on the planet who can actually SELL 0days , knowing they'll be paid 1) know who they are 2) wouldn't even cough and spit for a mere 500 , esp if paid in taxolade 3) don't deal with 'uber' et al, or any 'responsible-disclosure'-pushing usg.tentacle , not for promises of three kingdoms and five princesses
16:42 asciilifeform if yer a nobody, and you were to show up with a ~serious~ 0day : you have 1000x chance of getting 'weev'-ed, rather than paid .
16:46 hanbot <mircea_popescu> iirc hanbot was using it to do something trilema-related, sounded happy with it. << yeah, i'm working on setting it up with a (partial in all senses) trilema post index, see if it makes finding posts in chan easier since google is ~useless for it. trinque's ircbot as posted has been a joy.
~ 1 hours 7 minutes ~
17:54 ben_vulpes mod6 asciilifeform et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000282.html
18:05 asciilifeform oh hey hey hey lbj
18:05 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: this is neato, i'ma look when i get back
18:05 * asciilifeform bbl, meat
18:08 ben_vulpes how many power rangers did you kill today...
18:15 mircea_popescu aand in other "my skills and oppinions not needed", here's rhonda young : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuUkvE0H1Ig
18:15 mircea_popescu and mind all ye of the "aspirational" demographic, all ye dumb pantsuited hussies : the sword keeps right on cutting after it cut the slice you wanted.
18:16 mircea_popescu i know it seemed all great and fabulous back when deskilling brought about abominables a la condolezza rice as "secretary of state" notwithstanding strict incapacity of any sort of thinking
18:17 mircea_popescu but the same drive to ever cheapen the soviet's offerings to the zek ("only political training contributes to forwarding teh revolution!! everything else contributes to costs!!!" said teh world famous elena ceausescu-zigglar) will cheapen the very rug from under your feet also.
18:17 mircea_popescu 2020 "young writer for the ny times" ain't gonna be 1950s ginsburg, as it ain't gonna be 1970s mia farrow. it's gonna be fungusbrain bigmomma.
18:18 mircea_popescu when you worship your betters you ensure your place in the world, ~such as it is~. when you worship clitler you get nice words and utter doom.
18:21 ben_vulpes http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp?v=makefiles#0016 << hey here's an interesting
18:21 mircea_popescu heh.
18:22 mircea_popescu it was important, to limit the derp nodes from choking the network.
18:22 mircea_popescu (if node is behind nat -- it is a drag and naught else)
18:23 ben_vulpes i don't quite see the connection between NATed nodes and this max outbound connections constraint, could you elaborate?
18:23 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758191 << none really.
18:23 a111 Logged on 2017-12-24 20:35 ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/db.cpp#0837 << any reason for this to not come out with the truncation patch?
18:23 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: yeah i pulled the trigger on that excision along with the hash truncation, see the ml
18:23 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes suppose your relay network is 100 nodes ; suppose 10 of those are real nodes and 90 of those bullshit nodes behind a nat in a zek's house somewhere.
18:24 mircea_popescu with the limit of 8, you have the 10 receiving no more than 720 connections, ie 7.2 on average, with a linear distrib max of 15 ? so you can live a standard of "and can handle 16 conns" for a "proper" box
18:25 mircea_popescu if that limit is not there, you can readily encounter a situation where one of the 10 is taken down every other hour by 90 inbound connections. or at least -- more readily.
18:26 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758196 << but aren't their skills and oppinions important to you ?!
18:26 a111 Logged on 2017-12-24 20:40 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758167 << ro was like this. to the point that even nao neither asciilifeform nor his pet can bring themselves to eat at american 'coffee' shops any moar. at all.
18:27 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758198 << croissant is THE most difficult item of boulangerie. that's why it's even famous.
18:27 a111 Logged on 2017-12-24 20:45 ben_vulpes: traveling through the suburban wastelands yesterday, i tried a 'starbucks' croissant for lols, thinking to myself, 'imagine if they can screw up the croissant'. and lo, it was terrible. no flake, all soft spongiform inside.
18:29 ben_vulpes why do the NAT node connections threaten to take down realnodes?
18:29 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758208 << you could cloak it, for what that's worth. ask in #freenode, takes an hour or w/e.
18:29 a111 Logged on 2017-12-24 21:22 asciilifeform: evidently world's largest, fastest spam isp, whod'vethunkit!11, is banned even on fleanode.
18:29 * ben_vulpes suffering from a confusion of ideas
18:30 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes a node behind a NAT is not capable of being addressed. so it receives no inbound, merely connects out. so it does not participate in lessening the load.
18:30 mircea_popescu this is the problem here : you get a bunch of "nodes" which only connect out, and a few nodes who get hammered. and since no serious thought was given to
18:30 ben_vulpes ah and when its ip gets passed around the network, it simply shits the whole world up.
18:30 mircea_popescu eh where is it
18:31 mircea_popescu recall we had a discussion re star breaking nat crapolade. but you need the stars and a system specifically designed to use them, as there contemplate
18:31 mircea_popescu not this adockery.
18:31 ben_vulpes right right.
18:31 mircea_popescu adhockery*
18:31 ben_vulpes adcockery!
18:31 mircea_popescu myeah. anyway, stopgap of the "if i make it what i think it should be -- it crashes" line.
18:31 ben_vulpes gotcha
18:32 ben_vulpes well the question rattling around me braincase is ~"does this help or hinder weaponized TRB?"
18:32 ben_vulpes also what on earth is http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp?v=makefiles#1000
18:32 mircea_popescu i didn;t realise anyone kept that thing in.
18:33 mircea_popescu it's one thing to have it in the press, esp considering the history of how that came about. but as obvious knob as it gets.
18:33 mircea_popescu ~more of the same.
18:35 ben_vulpes that bitmashing against the ip makes my head hurt.
18:35 mircea_popescu BUT IT WORKS!!!
18:35 ben_vulpes does it? does it really? what the fuck does work even mean here.
18:36 mircea_popescu it'll be cool when they "upgrade" it to ipv6 and the 000ffff mask will have to be updated to correctly handle unicode.
18:36 * ben_vulpes whimpers
18:36 ben_vulpes no updating and no coming!
18:37 mircea_popescu how do yo ulike my confused ideas now, BEOTCH!!11
18:37 ben_vulpes i hate everything
18:37 ben_vulpes but in particular i hate cpp
18:38 mircea_popescu that's just because you're lazy. real men always work with tools designed to work counterproductivelty and maim them in the process.
18:38 ben_vulpes hurtful!
18:38 mircea_popescu observe -- colllege.
18:38 ben_vulpes my feelings!
18:39 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758218 << lollfull. also because medium finally switched the bait, now it's full page "pardon the interruption" interstitials.
18:39 a111 Logged on 2017-12-24 21:34 ben_vulpes: https://medium.com/bread-and-circuses/how-i-got-paid-0-from-the-uber-security-bug-bounty-aa9646aa103f and in responsible disclosurabilia
18:41 mircea_popescu "What’s weird though is that the OAuth2 token doesn’t ever change, and I can’t find anything in the Uber developer documentation that deals with token expiration;" << word.
18:44 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes if you (or anybody) has a contact for this gregory pery tard (i dun imagine totallynotrobots@protonmail.com actually works ?), maybe point out to him that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758148 and it's really ridoinculous to be wasting his weeks to freely support the usg pile of evil ?
18:44 a111 Logged on 2017-12-24 19:23 mircea_popescu: in other absolutely-not-news, I suppose the isomorphism http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753616 <<-=->> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1757015 is evident to everyone except the "self-determined" freewilled parties in question.
18:45 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: i actually already emailed him
18:45 mircea_popescu cool.
18:45 mircea_popescu i'm curious what flavour of muh feelings gets pulled this time.
18:45 ben_vulpes but judging from how the biofilm uses symbols instead of thinking i rather expect that the protonmail address is read
18:46 ben_vulpes ftr, i dun expect a response
18:46 mircea_popescu hardest thing to look at is how you wasted your life, halfway in. so, yeah.
18:47 mircea_popescu fuck 'em, the salvation of the drowning is work for the hands of the self-same drowning. god may mercifully send you a sign, but that's already asking for too much.
18:47 ben_vulpes http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JWdTT/?raw=true for the curious, dear gregory pery do call in, our listeners are dying to meet you
18:47 ben_vulpes god sent him a sign, what's he going to do with it.
18:47 mircea_popescu moar directed next time, i'd guess.
18:48 ben_vulpes aight
18:49 ben_vulpes meanwhile, i (sadly) understand http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758272 now
18:49 a111 Logged on 2017-12-24 23:32 ben_vulpes: also what on earth is http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp?v=makefiles#1000
18:52 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758221 << word. i think there's a half dozen websites dissected on trilema displaying the exact behaviour.
18:52 a111 Logged on 2017-12-24 21:35 ben_vulpes: absurdly common
18:52 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758226 << because he just wants to. just like all the other zektards.
18:52 a111 Logged on 2017-12-24 21:38 asciilifeform: also why wouldja 1) help hitler 2) for $ 500 3) that you'd have to suffer from down's syndrome to actually believe will be paid ...?
18:54 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758230 << good.
18:54 a111 Logged on 2017-12-24 22:54 ben_vulpes: mod6 asciilifeform et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000282.html
18:54 mircea_popescu idiot didn't even truncate to the same length.
19:03 ben_vulpes also it is *snowing* on *christmas eve* in the northern suburbs of the socialist paradise
19:04 mircea_popescu sounds like global snowing
19:13 ben_vulpes while i wait for the mailing list to process my latest note, please note that the sig attached in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758230 needs renaming to `ben_vulpes_excise_hash_truncation.vpatch.ben_vulpes.sig'
19:13 a111 Logged on 2017-12-24 22:54 ben_vulpes: mod6 asciilifeform et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000282.html
19:13 mircea_popescu dude... this place isn't for this please note stuff.
19:13 mircea_popescu nobody will note nor should they. why does it need renaming ?
19:15 ben_vulpes otherwise v.pl won't recognize it as a seal.
19:16 mircea_popescu name them properly!
19:17 ben_vulpes let's try again: i misnamed the seal for the truncation patch, must have "ben_vulpes" in the last period-delimited field of the seal name instead of "ben_vules"
19:17 mircea_popescu ben_vules srsly, you misspelled your own name ?
19:17 ben_vulpes do i look like i'm kidding?
19:17 danielpbarron in his defense, you'd have to rename it anyway as the mailing list adds the sha sum to the filename
19:18 mircea_popescu for teh first time in many weeks, i dunno what to say.
19:18 mircea_popescu danielpbarron yeah, not too crazy about that behaviour either.
19:20 danielpbarron i know this was discussed already but i don't see how the sha in the url helps, or for that matter posting sums in chan. if the enemy is gonna swap out the file he can swap out the hash too right?
19:21 mircea_popescu separate items. i think the sha was in the ml name to prevent collisions ;
19:22 mircea_popescu it's in the channel as an ad-hoc thing, "this person is voiced atm, if that's worth anything to you". not intended to prove anything to archeologists.
~ 16 minutes ~
19:39 ben_vulpes pflol well after excising max_outbound_connections and the one-connection-per-block connection count now at 114 and node very quickly got back up to date
19:39 ben_vulpes there's ~no way that the timeout requestment has fired yet
19:41 ben_vulpes http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2tKj7/?raw=true current vpatch for the curious, will post to ml after letting it run for a while
19:44 shinohai So shinohai managed to acquire decent hotel room on Xmas eve in old hometown .... and has a curious fake plant that resembles marijuana sitting in corner.
19:49 ben_vulpes shinohai: lol pics?
19:51 shinohai gimmie a moment .... shitty fone
19:53 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758257 << seems to demand the sasl nonsense , for new nicks
19:53 a111 Logged on 2017-12-24 23:29 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758208 << you could cloak it, for what that's worth. ask in #freenode, takes an hour or w/e.
19:55 shinohai ben_vulpes: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/cann.jpeg
19:56 ben_vulpes > cannapeg
19:56 ben_vulpes lol what kind of unholy fascimilie is that
19:56 ben_vulpes facsimilie*
19:58 shinohai I have no idea, these things are located all over the building. I like the place though, beats the shit out of LaQuinta Inn or whatever.
20:12 ben_vulpes !!up KutmasteR merry kutmas
20:12 deedbot KutmasteR voiced for 30 minutes.
20:13 shinohai Also http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/wtf.jpeg
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20:38 * trinque wonders when the republic shall revive saturnalia
20:38 trinque wine floweth, pants on head, masters serving slaves, carnival riot
20:39 trinque anyhow, whichever one cracks the wine bottles in your house, enjoy it.
20:39 * ben_vulpes toasts trinque
20:39 trinque cheers my friend
20:40 ben_vulpes and eyy, just caught a block before blockchain.info
20:40 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes nice going.
20:41 * shinohai toasts trinque also [~]D
20:42 mircea_popescu trinque i just got to watch like 4 or 5 different fireworks displays.
20:42 ben_vulpes c block means a.b.c.d right?
20:43 trinque mircea_popescu: lovely, any holiday worth a shit has explosions.
20:43 mircea_popescu word.
20:49 ben_vulpes is there an argument to be made against asking peers for new blocks every time TRB loops through the peerlist? too resource-intensive?
20:49 mircea_popescu every time you connect seems the logical place.
20:50 shinohai Dunno what others think, but I would prefer this as a knob to turn on/off
20:50 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: that could in theory be once and never after for long-running and stable connections
20:50 mircea_popescu and operator is free to kick off unperformant peers.
20:50 mircea_popescu however he defines it
20:52 ben_vulpes shinohai: howabout a timeout knob? every <configurable> minutes after the last block, pushgetblocks to all peers?
20:52 mircea_popescu to peers that advertise lower height than yours ?
20:53 shinohai That's a good idea too ... timeout knob.
20:53 mircea_popescu "every 10 minutes pushgetblocks to all peers that advertise higher height than yours" is still wasteful, you will ask 114 people for the same item with your new cuts.
20:54 mircea_popescu how about "pushgetblock to ONE peer randomly selected from the list of peers advertising higher block tip than you have upon every block verification (whether successful or not) and every 10 minutes henceforth"
20:55 mircea_popescu then the "10" can be configurable ; or else it can be calculated by the node, (such as "117% of average time it took me to check the past 144 blocks" for instance)
20:58 ben_vulpes i'll have to look into how block height is advertised but that makes sense mircea_popescu
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21:16 ben_vulpes !!up BigTexasBingo
21:16 deedbot BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes.
21:16 ben_vulpes noches, btb
21:16 BigTexasBingo Hola, shit latino navidad has a fuckton of fireworks
21:18 ben_vulpes wowee, when i reload blockchain.info first it shows one number for how long a block's been advertised and then shortly thereafter, another number indicating they've known about it for longer than they said at first!
21:18 ben_vulpes the magic of javascript! you can decide what world you live in!
21:19 * BigTexasBingo loving the shit out of the aggression talk
21:19 danielpbarron what's the difference? maybe they report the time they initially saw it but don't list till it's verified
21:20 danielpbarron i've noticed a few times my node saw a block before bc.i but they end up listing it before mine verifies
21:20 ben_vulpes danielpbarron: first the page renders with 500918: 12, then five seconds later 500918 now apparently has an age of 13 minutes
21:20 danielpbarron oh hah, that's way off huh
21:20 mircea_popescu um. why use deltas anyway ?
21:20 ben_vulpes yeah, and this is true of all their listed blocks
21:21 ben_vulpes i imagine there's some "isomorphic backend rendering" node black magic horseshit going on behind the scenes
21:21 BigTexasBingo !~ticker --market all
21:21 jhvh1 BigTexasBingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 13780.74, vol: 17506.11025523 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 13249.0, vol: 67456.67368532 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 13557.1, vol: 3304.87907432 | Volume-weighted last average: 13365.9956466
21:22 BigTexasBingo And the aggression scares the crashing.
21:22 ben_vulpes anyways, my node is now either fourteen or fifteen minutes behind bc.i depending on how their javascript feels, so perhaps there's nothing to this aggression after all, sorry to disappoint BigTexasBingo
21:23 BigTexasBingo Don't read to much into the words, follow the laughing and you're in.
21:23 mircea_popescu it's a complicated topic, ben_vulpes ; do not expect "this one weird trick" cures.
21:24 mircea_popescu solid and patient improvements towards the right thing ; but preferably after db fix & client split as discussed.
21:24 BigTexasBingo Could be the most practical trilema piece of the year that one. Utilized in meatspace so soon after publication.
21:26 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: am looking more for "open throttle to max airflow" knob than holographic stickers to increase hp
21:27 ben_vulpes in other random lols: 2017-12-25_02:27:44.00324 version message: version 70013, blocks=0
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22:50 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758230 << http://btcbase.org/patches/ben_vulpes_excise_hash_truncation
22:50 a111 Logged on 2017-12-24 22:54 ben_vulpes: mod6 asciilifeform et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000282.html
22:55 ben_vulpes sweet! thanks phf
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23:14 ben_vulpes asciilifeform mod6 phf mircea_popescu trinque and phriendz: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000283.html
23:19 phf ^ http://btcbase.org/patches/ben_vulpes_increase_aggression_levels
23:21 ben_vulpes phf: ty!
23:26 ben_vulpes and in other cribbings from trilema: "there's no price signal omgwtfbbq!" https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2017/12/17/why-you-cant-cash-out-pt-1-why-bitcoins-price-is-largely-fictional/
23:26 mircea_popescu except you can cash out perfectly fine, and this fucktard used to be http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/ if memory serves.
23:26 ben_vulpes indeed!
23:27 mircea_popescu did he ever answer to why is he such a despicable piece of shit ?
23:27 mircea_popescu or is this alt-world where we never have to confront uncomfortable truths.
23:27 ben_vulpes all worlds outside #trilema are the alt-world
23:27 mircea_popescu i guess we leave him a note.
23:27 ben_vulpes geeeeeet in there!
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