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00:00 mircea_popescu "The term "spam" came into broad use shortly after a famous incident on 12 April 1994. Canter and Siegel unleashed the first mega-spam against Usenet. (Cantor had done local, mini-spams before; he was now going international.) Canter spammed almost 6,000 groups in less than 90 minutes through an Internet Direct account (an Arizona Internet provider). The post was a C&S ad for the U.S. "Green Card lottery" -- a chance for non-
00:00 mircea_popescu Americans to enter a very low-odds US-work-permit raffle. Jeff Wheelhouse, sysadmin for Internet Direct, was soon bombed into oblivion by world-wide complaints. He told the New York Times this caused Internet Direct computers to crash at least 15 times -- "that's when we stopped counting." Canter soon appeared on CNN's Sonya Live. Interestingly, spam was viewed as an innovation by Sonya, who hailed Canter as a Business Pionee
00:00 mircea_popescu r instead of Wanton Vandal. Canter boasted he'd spam again."
00:01 mircea_popescu http://www.nytimes.com/1994/04/19/business/an-ad-gasp-in-cyberspace.html from back in the day it didn't know it's dead yet.
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00:41 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
00:41 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4402.04, vol: 7813.93351208 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4420.1, vol: 26728.06479848 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4229.3316, vol: 0 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4419.0, vol: 3155.33581358 | Volume-weighted last average: 4416.26443677
00:54 lobbes !!balance
00:54 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2Z0bJ/?raw=true
00:55 lobbes mircea_popescu, got it
00:55 lobbes this is pretty cool
00:55 mircea_popescu o hey.
00:55 mircea_popescu but yeah, totally nice work trinque
00:56 mircea_popescu i hope you're corking champagne over there.
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01:14 lobbes !!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q3/mircea_popescu_payment_receipt.txt
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07:30 phf test
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07:45 midnightmagic Uh. asciilifeform? Can I ask you where you managed to dig up those old SKS keysets which predate the one I shared with you?
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07:47 midnightmagic Also, may I point people to you as a source of SKS historical data?
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08:18 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720072 << heh, the next day after http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719442 huh ? tell you what, wait until it's back on, then ignore the matter for a few years, then when it next is down or anything come back and ask that.
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08:18 a111 Logged on 2017-10-03 11:47 midnightmagic: Also, may I point people to you as a source of SKS historical data?
08:18 a111 Logged on 2017-10-02 14:56 asciilifeform: RIP dulap.
08:18 mircea_popescu it's the only way!
08:19 midnightmagic doh
08:22 midnightmagic .. hard drives were seized? What's dulap? Is that the name of the server you guys were using for the phuctor project?
08:24 mircea_popescu it's all in the logs you know. see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714183 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714212 and so on.
08:24 a111 Logged on 2017-09-14 03:42 mircea_popescu: in other lulz asciilifeform : phuctor server raid array failing, when'd you like the item restarted ?
08:24 a111 Logged on 2017-09-14 04:01 mircea_popescu: [HE1EUR02FT027.eop-EUR02.prod.protection.outlook.com]
08:26 midnightmagic lol I swear I was reading them almost that whole time man... oh. Gad dangit.
08:26 shinohai Morning mircea_popescu .... sending out that reply after tea. o/
08:26 mircea_popescu cool deal.
08:27 mircea_popescu midnightmagic that's EXACTLY the fucking problem. modern man has total disconnect between symbols dancing in front of eyes and anything to do with action.
08:27 mircea_popescu buncha zoo seals, trained to clap along.
08:28 midnightmagic The page with the RIP dulap doesn't have the raid failure mention on it. I can't read *that* fast dude.
08:28 * shinohai has no coffee this morning, must start the day the Earl Gray way. (tm)
08:28 mircea_popescu shinohai move to costa rica, have the problem of omfg i can't keep drining so much coffee... but it's so good...
08:29 mircea_popescu i'm not much of a coffee drinker, in general. but when i live here i take a few months to turn into utter fiend. then if i move away it goes away.
08:29 midnightmagic +1 Gesha Esmeralda coffee. It's a sin to drink it anyway but black.
08:30 mircea_popescu cafe con leche ftw!
08:31 midnightmagic macchiato guy myself, for the coffees that are worthy enough to be drunk so.
08:33 midnightmagic Dangit. Phuctor was an important project.
08:33 mircea_popescu it still is an important project.
08:35 mircea_popescu and in other ancient lulz, http://lawdigitalcommons.bc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2058&context=bclr
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08:35 mircea_popescu not sure what's lulzier, the failed-female whining or the concerned-bystander "is college bezzle getting all it could get ???".
08:39 phf what an odd opener
08:40 midnightmagic Hrm. I missed my chance to download the phuctor db snapshot.
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08:40 mircea_popescu i find it interesting that anyone thought that'd make sense as an opener. for the READERS OF LAW REVIEW no less.
08:40 mircea_popescu 90s a lot dumber than originally thought, in the us.
08:44 phf i suppose the usual suspects were making inroads, perhaps in 20 years it will not be obvious why high pitched sjw is a "google" concern
08:45 mircea_popescu cucks trying to signal to milfs that they're available, basically. naive colonies sufficiently unsophisticated to allow this shameful display.
08:45 * mircea_popescu is pretty well satisfied ~only reason charles f. wilson put that out there is the hope that some "divorcee" somewhere will "let him help".
08:50 phf i didn't realize it was written by a guy. i've not encountered that whole cuck behavior until i came to u.s. i suppose i remember men like that growing up, but they were explicitly recognized and condemned
08:51 phf in unrelated
08:51 phf !#s dog notfrom:mircea
08:51 a111 957 results for "dog notfrom:mircea", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dog%20notfrom%3Amircea
08:51 mircea_popescu anyway, lulzy throughout. "we were old enough to fight in vietnam, but not old enough to vote, which is lulzy, notwithstranding we whined a lot more than we fought, AND ALSO LOST THAT WAR THOUGH BEING SAD FAILURES!!! ; then the vote thing was fixed, but it was fixed in the wrong way -- by lowering emancipation age it meant daddy no longer has to pay! UNFAIR!"
08:52 mircea_popescu !#s dog notfrom:mircea from:ascii from:ben notfrom:phf
08:52 a111 296 results for "dog notfrom:mircea from:ascii from:ben notfrom:phf", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dog%20notfrom%3Amircea%20from%3Aascii%20from%3Aben%20notfrom%3Aphf
08:52 mircea_popescu ahaha check that out. nice!
08:52 phf oh the combination has been working for a while, that example with hurr durr had ascii hidden somewhere there
08:53 phf i tried !from:foo syntax, but until there's a proper search query grammar i think i'll stick to an explicit looking keyword, as originally suggested
08:54 mircea_popescu phf dood's bio : 1993-1994 greater boston food bank volunteer (ie, ASSISTANT volunteer MANAGER!!!), then 1998-2002 testa hurwitz & thibeault. boston college law school (ie, shit) 94-97. "saint joseph university" (ie, shit), ba politics 89-93.
08:57 mircea_popescu anyway, anyone remember the brouhaha of "fair" (ie, some faggots-on-campus pac) vs rumsfeld case ? (govt wanted to cut funding for colleges that didn't allow army recruiters on campus, solomon amendment ; they didn't want to allow recruiters on campus because they judged don't ask don't tell DISCRIMINATORY!!!11)
08:57 phf a beautiful specimen
08:58 mircea_popescu so : bc law thinks having argued before the supreme court!!!! on the wrong side of a case that got adjudicated the other way 8-0 is something to put in its bio as the #1 item.
08:58 mircea_popescu if anyone things it prepares lawyers that one's reading comprehension is barrista-adequate.
09:00 mircea_popescu (one helluva braindamaged "case" that was, too. worth reading for the curious, they got thrown out at every level, then held up supreme court to educate them in basic law.)
09:02 mircea_popescu "In Spring 2017, the Boston College Environmental Affairs Law Review, Boston College International and Comparative Law Review, and the Journal of Law and Social Justice published their last issues and consolidated into the Boston College Law Review." for extra bonus points.
09:06 phf this is a discouraging entomology, since i just came back to washington d.c. so now i have to interact with willsons and their brood yet again. (not directly, but i get to see them on the street)
09:06 mircea_popescu this guy is now assistant public defender in hartford, ct!!! no less
09:06 mircea_popescu so i much doubt you will interact with him unless you somehow age 20 years, get tit implants and become a socialite.
09:07 mircea_popescu i expect 50% of his fare are de mournay DUIs, 50yo ex-starlet / alcoholic jane fonda.
09:09 phf i might run into him in the street! i have friends in hartford and throughout CT (though i mostly visit those on the coast)
09:09 phf luckily i can't find his picture, so i will remain blissfully ignorant
09:10 mircea_popescu anyway, but the above line re "consolidated into" is there to explain how exactly $item became shit : at time t0, there existed $item, and it was respectable. at time t1, misguided "pluralism" allowed a bunch of rank imbeciles, such as here typified by charles f wilson, to open $rakim-and-his-black-chix-code, $faggots-fashion-law-review etcetera. then at time t2, the foregoing useless items "got consolidated" into $item. the
09:10 mircea_popescu end.
09:11 mircea_popescu this is how the ourdemocracy "pluralism" ratchet works : if everyone is nominally equal, and if nobody should face the music of his own ineptitude, then you can cycle these spawn-and-consolidate cycles until everything is pure shit.
09:12 mircea_popescu (ie, exactly the monetary process described in http://trilema.com/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/ except applied to labour rather than capital)
09:15 mircea_popescu and since we're doing amusings -- i wonder why exactly hasn't the "alt right" picked up on JESUIT heritage to bitch and whine about ? it's just about the core of modern pantsuitism, it was historically oppressed specifically for pantsuitism, and when i say historically i mean centuries not decades, why exactly nobody knows enough to say "the jesuits will not replace us" ?
09:15 mircea_popescu what, just gonna keep on with the jews forever ? there's other options!
09:24 phf too obscure, though that would be an amusing thing to do. jesuit "protocols" on twitter, quotes and condemnations. it would be closer to an art project, than anything. "the who?"
09:24 mircea_popescu except it's better substantiated in fact than the jew thing.
09:25 mircea_popescu jesuits were shoah'd in venice once, 1600s, and THEN in france, portugal, the two sicilies etc in 1700s. this is moar than one piddly german interdict
09:26 mircea_popescu what, just because that happened 3 and 400 years ago as opposed to 1900s ? what is this, the simple, child-like behaviour of the new world demographic ?
09:26 phf ^
09:26 shinohai Also, Malta and Spanish EMpire.
09:27 mircea_popescu quite.
09:27 mircea_popescu phf but to be honest, i suspect the actual reason is that this'd be a first step on the road to indicting jesus. which is apt, jesus being the best first-line heuristic for idiocy you'll ever encounter.
09:27 shinohai (It's pretty bad when Pope himself writes Dominus ac Redemptor to hate on your religious group)
09:27 mircea_popescu it happens to also be the single most important thread connecting the self-same "alt right" with faith altogether, so this is problematic.
09:28 mircea_popescu or should i say psychologically painful.
09:28 mircea_popescu in other words, i dun think "obscure" is the problem. i think "not wanting to take a look inside" is the problem.
09:30 mircea_popescu (note that the above deals with jesus, as the western conception, not with the thing thereby named altogether. christos, as ~same thing understood in the east, be it the greek pantokrator, the russian voskresie i guess, or various others is not nearly as problematic)
09:34 mircea_popescu even exists in early anglo stuff, christ resurrector, christ almighty etc. though the vein exhausted itself readily and apparently without leaving much trace. i guess in the same way "everyone" knows of bedwetter's 1984 but nobody read point counterpoint, notwithstanding that huxley is the important kid in that class, not fucking blair.
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09:37 phf hmm
09:39 mircea_popescu (the link, for the curious, is that in any other time than the present the above charles f. wilson would have been counted as a jesuit. both his stepping-stone and ultimate destination 2nd education institutions being -- jesuit.)
09:41 mircea_popescu and in more domestic tranquility : a girl made bolognese, with fusili ; i made spicy paprika chicken, with penne rigate. there's now available A SELECTION of pasta leftovers for breakfast!
09:41 mircea_popescu they go together great, too.
09:53 phf mircea_popescu: i'm not sure what you mean by western conception of jesus (i'm vague on when the split happened, but yeah christos in slav countries and presumably in greek tradition has retained his "vsederzhitel" title, not so much in the west, but i can't imagine that the split happened in the 6th-8th century)
09:53 mircea_popescu phf does christos love you ?
09:55 mircea_popescu cuz you know, simple-minded ustard doesn't take nearly as long to answer that question.
09:55 phf :)
09:56 phf i'm not sure, but not in the way that phrase is cliche in english. god loves you, christ acts from inner great love. i'm not sure christ loves ~you~ as such
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09:57 phf russian conception of christ's love has always been "if my husband beats me, how do i still interpret his actions as love? -- well have you seen that special glint in his eyes!"
09:58 mircea_popescu the whole fucking ploy with the new testament is not simply http://trilema.com/2017/why-god-has-died/#selection-111.0-129.119 but actually turning the heavenly father into the heavenly mother ; hence all the inept bs starting with all the mary worship in the loser south.
09:59 mircea_popescu phf there's two fundamental roles for divinity in the life of man (unlike the matters discussed re resplenduminous, which are quite apart a third) : it's either momgod, give me a thing ; or else dadgod make me enjoy the thing i got.
10:00 mircea_popescu and as it happens one of these works better than the other.
10:00 mircea_popescu none of this, obviously, having to do with divinity in the slightest ; we're here discussing religion not theology.
10:05 mircea_popescu anyway, the important point here being that the "progress" is actually a withdrawal ; from alhpabet to hieroglyphics, from christos to jesus, everywhere the sweet scent of senescent decay.
10:09 phf right, i have similar impression, i thought there might be an event associated with it. i'd stick to the umberto ecco's idea that the transition happened sometime in the 14th century as a result of pantsuitization of catholic church
10:09 mircea_popescu and what is your explanation of the cathars ?
10:10 mircea_popescu the 14th century pantsuitization of the church resulted from the 14th century burning at the stake of the pantsuit enclave of toulouse.
10:11 mircea_popescu look into how well the impregnable fortress was defended by those ninnies, and see in them the "hell no, we won't go" vietnam victrices.
10:13 mircea_popescu and for that matter, who shall say caedite eos, novit enim dominus eius for this century ?
10:14 mircea_popescu to this very day teh episode does truly bother the pantsuit press. because here's the thing : whether alt-right knows or doesn't know there's such a thing as jesuit, the thing they know or don't know still is, and still works.
10:15 phf right, come to think crusades and inquisition came later
10:15 mircea_popescu cathars are starting around 1100s or so.
10:17 mircea_popescu anyway. 1100 century vegans, they existed.
10:18 phf right, inquisition is then 12th century, and crusades are over by 15th, reformation is 16th
10:18 mircea_popescu the first crusade was in the 1090s
10:21 phf i don't know enough about history of church to pin point modern day "jesus loves you" conception.
10:22 mircea_popescu well, the fact that there existed a 12th century animalrights, gender-fluid community of idiots who failed miserably in the field excuses you from such a pinpoint.
10:22 mircea_popescu pantsuitism is eternal, neglected cunt grows cobwebs, what.
10:23 mircea_popescu and, then as now, actually competent women didn't think much of the whole crap sandwich.
10:24 mircea_popescu !~google hildegard von bingen
10:24 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Hildegard of Bingen - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hildegard_of_Bingen>; Saint Hildegard of Bingen – Franciscan Media: <https://www.franciscanmedia.org/saint-hildegard-of-bingen/>; Hildegard of Bingen , Visionary: <http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bio/247.html>
10:24 mircea_popescu ^ early noether, by any account.
10:27 phf i sort of assumed from the paintings and the existence of such thing as thieves' cant, but at some point it was sort of like a mix between monthy python's holy grail and the life of brian. i.e. dirt digging communes, living somewhere on the periphery, espousing any kind of random interpretation of gospel. "christ the table throwers of the third denomination"
10:28 mircea_popescu nah. carcassone was literally an impregnable fortress for the time. were it defended, even middlingly, it would never have fallen.
10:28 mircea_popescu much like present day us.
10:29 phf such us the tmsr darlings, knights templar
10:29 mircea_popescu islands are indefensible by nature.
10:31 mircea_popescu anyway, the moment is very much a french equiv of the us civil war. the north still won, same north, same terms.
10:37 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720071 << some d00d sent'em in, oughta be in the l0gz
10:37 a111 Logged on 2017-10-03 11:45 midnightmagic: Uh. asciilifeform? Can I ask you where you managed to dig up those old SKS keysets which predate the one I shared with you?
10:38 mircea_popescu phf but leaving aside that the inquisition was invented in the first place to stamp out pantsuitism manifested as catharism from teh south of france (which it did do) : are you aware the first yellow star as a sartorial accessory was also introduced then ?
10:38 mircea_popescu of course, then it was a cross. but anyway.
10:38 asciilifeform and holy FUCK midnightmagic already 'embrace and extinguish ?' ol' corpse not even cold yet
10:38 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720073 << oh hey hey loox like mircea_popescu did that thread already, so i dun have to
10:38 a111 Logged on 2017-10-03 12:18 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720072 << heh, the next day after http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719442 huh ? tell you what, wait until it's back on, then ignore the matter for a few years, then when it next is down or anything come back and ask that.
10:40 asciilifeform !~later tell midnightmagic http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720099 << if you want to read, e.g., the phuctored page, i refreshed it on archive.is a few days ago. but if what you're aiming for is to embrace&extinguish phuctor itself, you're on yer own
10:40 a111 Logged on 2017-10-03 12:40 midnightmagic: Hrm. I missed my chance to download the phuctor db snapshot.
10:40 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
10:43 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720096 << brain-melter. but picture, if d00d had gotten his way, the collegism cost death rocket could have fired 30 yrs ago , instead of delaying the inevitable 'tothemoon'
10:43 a111 Logged on 2017-10-03 12:35 mircea_popescu: and in other ancient lulz, http://lawdigitalcommons.bc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2058&context=bclr
10:43 mircea_popescu no, he got his way.
10:43 mircea_popescu quoted for being anodyne part of the trend, not some sort of solitary prophet.
10:44 asciilifeform afaik in all 50 states no childsupportism past 18
10:44 mircea_popescu orly.
10:44 asciilifeform so in what sense he got his way ?
10:44 mircea_popescu in the sense court will order you to support college kid.
10:44 asciilifeform ianal but pretty sure that nope.
10:45 asciilifeform ( pull one up ? )
10:45 phf asciilifeform: there are definitely variations on college support
10:45 mircea_popescu exact same item as http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-29#1676200
10:45 a111 Logged on 2017-06-29 17:32 BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8142 << "Her attorney informed us this morning, that although the deed is being assigned to my sister, my brother and I, that if my mother requires nursing home care through Medicare at any point over the next five years, that the Feds will take the house to pay the bills. "
10:45 mircea_popescu "protected classes", ie usg-agencies doing "human services".
10:46 asciilifeform no but can haz ? pull up a case where d00d jailed for not paying tuition for spawn
10:48 asciilifeform it's a state apparatus, btw, rather than federal, and maintains a pretense of 'voluntary' ( i.e. d00d gotta manually sign cheques, and jailed if he 'forgets', rather than wage & property confiscation as seen in tax collection )
10:49 mircea_popescu boston college, st catherine laboure hospital, all the same.
10:49 asciilifeform that dun look like a case citation
10:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform https://www.forbes.com/2007/02/13/divorce-kids-education-pf-estates-in_mb_0213money_inl.ht wouldja stop being ridiculous.
10:50 * asciilifeform waits for subj to load...
10:50 asciilifeform https://archive.is/JJE7b << 404
10:51 mircea_popescu heh.
10:51 mircea_popescu http://www.bestnewyorkdivorce.com/Long-Island-Divorce-Blog/2014/April/Father-Ordered-by-Court-to-Help-Pay-Childs-Colle.aspx any better ?
10:52 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/hv6ke/?raw=true << googlecache has it
10:53 asciilifeform hm apparently 'age of majority' still 21 in some states, which explains mircea_popescu's find
10:53 mircea_popescu not at fucking all.
10:53 mircea_popescu 1979 case, ringier divorce, introduced this nonsense.
10:54 asciilifeform is there a record of, say, 30 y.o. 'eternal student' being 'childsupported' ?
10:54 mircea_popescu it was recently thrown out as unconstitutional, but whatever.
10:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you don't get to move the goal posts. fact is, us courts have, throughout and since 1979, ordered divorced parents to pay for the rejected bitch's spawn to go to college as adults.
10:55 asciilifeform but was this done using the childsupport bureaucracy apparatus, or the divorcetheft apparatus, is my q
10:55 mircea_popescu i don't know the difference is factual, tbh.
10:56 asciilifeform they are not separate from mircea_popescu's dirigible, but to the folx on the ground are very different items, with different types of spiked ends on the whips
10:56 mircea_popescu i suspect this difference is made of the same substance as your knowledge of the matter prior.
10:56 asciilifeform sorta like the diff b/w arrest by local cops and, e.g. fbi rendition
10:57 mircea_popescu anyway. you can end up in jail for not paying the court-ordered kid's college, no question there.
10:57 asciilifeform still would like to read a case involving somebody who ~did~ sit for it
10:57 mircea_popescu so tell your paralegal.
10:58 asciilifeform lol
10:58 mircea_popescu yes, adult male should have at least one paralegal living on the premises, what.
10:59 asciilifeform i have a paralegal in the sense that she has an arc welder operator
10:59 asciilifeform but hey whynot.
10:59 mircea_popescu you know, this is the ONLY fucking benefit of living where you do. that you can put up a craigslist ad or whatever, "willing to feed and house paralegal, you will have to have nice tits and love the cock." and be swamped with takers.
10:59 asciilifeform in related lulz, from ad sidebar in mircea_popescu's link : 'A. Gary Shilling says that parents can no longer depend on home equity loans to pay for crushing tuition costs. Click here for Shilling’s tips on how to profit and pay those tuition expenses.'
11:00 mircea_popescu why pass on it ?
11:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'all fun an' games' until new pet suddenly 'sprouts' 'rights'
11:01 asciilifeform sorta what thread was even about, neh
11:01 mircea_popescu eh get out of here.
11:05 asciilifeform 'At The Meyers Law Group, P.C., we are pleased that we were able to help this college student and her mother get the support they deserved. ' << this paragraph verily smells of zyklon, lol
11:05 phf formaldehyde with any luck
11:06 asciilifeform very interesting find, mircea_popescu . i had monumentally nfi.
11:06 * asciilifeform brb
11:10 midnightmagic asciilifeform: Good god, no. Not interested in embrace&extinguish. I've managed to capture the attention of Chief Lying Scumbag himself Craig Wright, and a secondary source of historical SKS would mean that I'm probably not lying when I tell people that fake-Satoshi's fake-keys *weren't* in the dataset as of February 2012.
11:11 midnightmagic You'd told me after I uploaded the 4GB to you that you had an even earlier copy--and that's what I'm looking for. The phuctor dataset was something I saw you post a link to in the archive which Mircea kindly(?) suggested I look more closely at.
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11:13 midnightmagic In particular, I know that if I send people here to find old data, you people will tear them a new butthole, and so I hope to punish the disbelievers.
11:15 midnightmagic So. I guess.. surprise! Phuctor is also useful for other things!
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11:35 mircea_popescu and to continue the lulz : "Equal protection challenges require a review of the statute allowing court-ordered support [for adult children of a failed marriage]. Neither strict scrutiny nor heightened scrutiny are required as these statutes do not create classes of people based on race, creed, color, gender, national origin or involve a fundamental right. These statutes create, instead, social and economic classifications, re
11:35 mircea_popescu flecting people's marital status and assets. Consequently, courts only need to use rational basis review. Rational basis review, the most deferential review of legislative action, requires two steps. First, courts must determine whether these statutes attempt to promote any legitimate state interest or public value. If so, courts must determine whether the statuttes and classifications created are rationally related to accomp
11:35 mircea_popescu lishing those interests. In other words, courts ask whether the statute does what it was written to do."
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11:36 mircea_popescu the important point here, as far as the latin-american "liberation theology" marxist reinterpretation, as typified in the latest (and first jesuit) pope is concerned is : that property is not a right.
11:37 mircea_popescu let aside that property is the first, and only right that matters, for as long as i have property i will bring back all the other crap as needed ; whereas without property all the rest is entirely not worth the mention and we can really start calling each other tavarisch, there being no further need of any pretense in the vein of courts, or for that matter any other rationalisms.
11:39 mircea_popescu "option for the poor", dontchaknow, first and foremost the option to pretend that they're not poor because they suck ; that the reason kid now needs to beg for college moneys ISN'T that his mother failed at her fucking job, that had she been a non-suck wife she wouldn't have the fucking problem in the first place and so on.
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11:40 mircea_popescu lettuce externalize all the costs into a large ball and gift it to jesus! that's why we created jesus for in the first place innit!
11:48 shinohai "The US has expelled 15 Cuban diplomats, saying Havana failed to protect US diplomats from mysterious acoustic attacks." <<< moar Cuban/US lulz
11:51 mircea_popescu why not just play the 2017 pop top 100 at them ?
11:51 mircea_popescu despacito, como lo hacen en puerto rico.
11:52 mircea_popescu http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2017/10/02/maria_pr_valentin_174-edit_custom-f275d99951f15887c1203460561e282620cf2247-s800-c85.jpg picrelated.jpg
11:54 asciilifeform shinohai: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-29#1718377 .
11:54 a111 Logged on 2017-09-29 20:08 asciilifeform: in other idiocies, https://archive.is/zI6Xm >> '... mysterious attacks that left diplomats with hearing damage and brain injuries, the State Department announced...' << somebody lock'em up in schizo ward, like they do to their victims back home, per http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-26#1548698
11:55 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720250 << midnightmagic when phuctor comes back you are welcome to search for keys, e.g., by fp, and see. i'm not sure what that gives you, though, re arguments re historical existence or nonexistence of some derp's key, he can always retort 'you deliberately lost it', etc
11:55 a111 Logged on 2017-10-03 15:11 midnightmagic: You'd told me after I uploaded the 4GB to you that you had an even earlier copy--and that's what I'm looking for. The phuctor dataset was something I saw you post a link to in the archive which Mircea kindly(?) suggested I look more closely at.
11:56 asciilifeform there is no such thing as an opposable nonexistence proof for a bitstring
12:01 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720255 << lol!! 'dun ask whether this is a crock of shit, You Will Have Problems, instead ask whether fuhrer's decrees are being correctly carried out' >> and see also oblig. http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-28#812963 .
12:01 a111 Logged on 2017-10-03 15:35 mircea_popescu: lishing those interests. In other words, courts ask whether the statute does what it was written to do."
12:01 a111 Logged on 2014-08-28 02:09 asciilifeform: the book is quite like the 'rule of law is a myth' piece (http://faculty.msb.edu/hasnasj/GTWebSite/MythWeb.htm - linked here a few times) except that katz hasn't let go of his religion yet
12:03 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720258 << whole ameri-edifice, from alimony to divorcetheft to childsupportism to harassmentism etc -- is specifically about handing out to the wives 'the freedom' to pantsuit. 'giving the wolf a spear' or what was the expression on mircea_popescu's planet.
12:03 a111 Logged on 2017-10-03 15:39 mircea_popescu: "option for the poor", dontchaknow, first and foremost the option to pretend that they're not poor because they suck ; that the reason kid now needs to beg for college moneys ISN'T that his mother failed at her fucking job, that had she been a non-suck wife she wouldn't have the fucking problem in the first place and so on.
12:03 asciilifeform 'not bug -- feature'.
12:06 midnightmagic asciilifeform: Correct. However, if the data comes from, e.g. MIT server hosting, or if it comes from one of the SKS key server operators, then that's enough. I can point at that and say "look, more data that says the same thing."
12:07 midnightmagic Data which comes directly from me could just be edited. There is less chance that I am also an MIT sysop or whatever.
12:08 asciilifeform midnightmagic: so go and search mit's sks , why ask here.
12:08 asciilifeform midnightmagic: how would asciilifeform searching some item in his collection that isn't in mit's current one, help your arguments with whomever ?
12:10 midnightmagic asciilifeform: I was hoping you would just tell me where you got the earlier dataset, so I can also go there.
12:11 midnightmagic asciilifeform: The earlier dataset would just be evidence I didn't randomly edit mine, and thus prove that buddy probably didn't upload his key into the SKS set before that date. (Since SKS key server ops won't delete keys.)
12:23 asciilifeform midnightmagic: i do indeed have a 5G dump, mailed in by somebody with handle of 'goat', on oct 20 2013. it was among the first items fed into phuctor.
12:23 asciilifeform it is not afaik publicly hosted anywhere else.
12:26 trinque midnightmagic: when you gather all this proof and various washington posts are still running articles about hoaxatoshi (or the next), might ask yourself why.
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12:26 asciilifeform ^
12:27 trinque maybe you end up burning some fuel and shaving a few years off your orbit of the republic. who knows
12:27 asciilifeform see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-29#1718422
12:27 a111 Logged on 2017-09-29 23:46 mircea_popescu: somehow, and i have yuet to pierce this mystery, people on the side of pantsuit always assume they own the world, natively. whereas people on the side of the republic, at least verbally, always assume the opposite, and start derping about how i've to prove shit and so on.
12:36 asciilifeform !#s teaching the controversy
12:36 a111 17 results for "teaching the controversy", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=teaching%20the%20controversy
12:36 asciilifeform midnightmagic are you aware of ^ term of art ?
12:37 asciilifeform what the scammer specifically wants, is to put on you, somehow, the burden of searching for proof that he is a fraud. and when you fail to meet the arbitrary standard ( he will move it , as required ) , and you will, he ends up with free pr and 'legitimacy' etc
12:38 asciilifeform don't feed the birds.
12:38 asciilifeform see also canonical http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience .
12:39 midnightmagic "goat". doh. Okay. I wonder if that's Chaang-Noi. What the heck is he doing with the SKS keyset..
12:39 asciilifeform dun think it is the same one.
12:39 asciilifeform was some fella from comments on schneier's blog iirc.
12:40 midnightmagic asciilifeform: That's helpful. Thank you. \o
12:40 midnightmagic trinque: Yea. Yeah, pretty much.
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13:15 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719603 << to briefly revisit, i am broadly unconvinced the nashville vs new york tin pan alley dispute is more than two flavours of matriarchy battling it out.
13:15 a111 Logged on 2017-10-02 16:56 asciilifeform: 'country'
13:15 mircea_popescu basically, it's southern queenie, aka dependopotamus, dedicated to sensual pursuits such as being fat and chugging coors vs the nothern jap, aka pantsuited hilarity, the fonda line, whatever, dedicated to intellectual pursuits such as being appreciated.
13:16 asciilifeform there isn't a patriarchical sparta or whatever hidden somewhere in that box, no.
13:17 mircea_popescu yes "country is 90% male singers", but this don't figure much into anything. there exists the direct equivalent of the northern pure cuck, as typified by say the charles wilson muppet above in the south : a brawny, silent, "strong" type, the competent 50 yo male slave of various trilema aparitions.
13:17 mircea_popescu the dood that thinks he can't hit a woman, for instance. and assorted other bars in his equivalent cock cage.
13:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this latter type crews, e.g., usg's army, dies for http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-19#1244654 motherland
13:26 a111 Logged on 2015-08-19 23:55 mircea_popescu: what, "i'm a boy from tenesee here to die for some fat bitch's right to marry her dog" ?
13:28 asciilifeform ( and after cashiered from army, goes immediately to work in police , or -- if ambitions -- in fed 'law' enforcements etc )
13:40 mircea_popescu aha
13:41 asciilifeform the ones no longer fit to ( or inclined to ) do wetwork, incidentally, still typically go on to desk federasties of various sorts
13:41 asciilifeform ( they are hired preferentially )
13:42 mircea_popescu heck, they make lifetime slaves too, the sort that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1702083
13:42 a111 Logged on 2017-08-22 16:59 mircea_popescu: the point is not without merit, though. ~all the competent, at artisan level, males, the dudes working leather and metal and wood and whatnot ~competently~ are virtually all 50 yo doods with very much a slave mentality.
13:42 asciilifeform mostly slaves for inca.
13:43 mircea_popescu for whoever makes some sense. please, someone. \
13:44 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720283 << no, that's ok, he'll just come here now and again and say some words, it's all good.
13:44 a111 Logged on 2017-10-03 16:26 trinque: midnightmagic: when you gather all this proof and various washington posts are still running articles about hoaxatoshi (or the next), might ask yourself why.
13:46 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom is just so much poppycock!
13:49 asciilifeform meanwhile ( expert entomologists only ! ) in breathtaking idiocies, https://archive.is/BLndG << anything, ANYTHING but fit-in-head!11
13:50 trinque switch to trilema buffer, boom! weechat crash.
13:51 mircea_popescu i thought it was because i said @ you
13:51 asciilifeform trinque: recall https://dl.packetstormsecurity.net/1704-advisories/dsa-3836-1.txt ?
13:52 asciilifeform where there is 1 cockroach, there is 11.
13:52 trinque yep, I hold the thing at arm's length
13:52 mircea_popescu "There were six hours during the night of April 10, 2014, when the entire population of Washington State had no 911 service." << vorwarts!
13:54 mircea_popescu "For the first time, there could be such a thing as a national 911 outage. There have now been four in as many years."
13:54 mircea_popescu and then they wanna argue.
13:54 asciilifeform gotta love the socialistoid bent of such articles : when, e.g., police dispatcher goes down, or self-driving coffins , whatevers, mega-disaster; but microshit's crafted prevention of civilized comp as a class, is business as usual and a-ok
13:55 asciilifeform ( as pictured in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1719 etc )
13:55 mircea_popescu the whole ourdemocracy approach is to never see anything but surfaces.
13:55 mircea_popescu there must be no depth to the world.
14:01 asciilifeform meanwhile, in very other olds, asciilifeform bites at his elbows, one of his coffinnotebook ideas, turns out , was in fact made long ago :
14:01 asciilifeform 'We built a true alternating current (a.c.) battery that periodically reverses value and sign of its electromotive force (e.m.f.). This a.c. battery is an electrochemical concentration cell that consists of two coupled half cells in which identical oscillating Belousov-Zhabotinskii (BZ) reactions take place isothermally at 28.0°. The homogeneous BZ oscillations are phase shifted in order to create a potential difference between both
14:01 asciilifeform half cells. With an increasing load the phase shift between the two half cells decreases (i.e. both oscillations tend to synchronize), consequently the amplitude of the alternating current decreases while the amplitudes of the individual BZ-oscillators remain unaffected. '
14:02 asciilifeform Friedemaan W. Schneider, Marcus J. B. Hauser, Joachim Reising ; Berichte der Bunsengesellschaft für physikalische Chemie , january 1993 .
14:02 mircea_popescu ha
14:03 asciilifeform https://sci-hub.cc/http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bbpc.19930970111 << 1333337w4r3z (pdf!) for aficionados.
14:04 asciilifeform i actually considered own variant of this for 'chemical rng' , but realized that it is screamingly impractical
14:04 asciilifeform !#s bz reaction
14:04 a111 1 result for "bz reaction", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=bz%20reaction
14:04 asciilifeform hm could've sworn there was an entire thread...
14:08 asciilifeform '... Thus it should also be possible to construct, for example, a chaos-battery. Such work is in progress. '
14:08 asciilifeform !~google chaos battery
14:08 jhvh1 asciilifeform: Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory Walkthrough - Battery - Visual ...: <http://www.visualwalkthroughs.com/splintercell/chaostheory/battery/battery.htm>; Longues-sur-Mer battery - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longues-sur-Mer_battery>; Swerdmurd - Chaos Battery - Listen on Deezer: <http://www.deezer.com/us/track/110016552>
14:08 asciilifeform evidently came to 0.
14:11 asciilifeform originally asciilifeform's interest in subj, will confess, was re 'uncopyable otp'.
14:12 asciilifeform ( i.e. can you make a matched pair of otp such that 1) output is cryptoentropic 2) can only leave the device at particular baud rate , no matter what is done to it ? )
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14:14 asciilifeform i.e. an otp that is intrinsically safe to transport.
14:19 mircea_popescu in so many words, no.
14:19 asciilifeform why so sure
14:21 mircea_popescu cuz it's patently a nonphysical object, what. seriously, fixed future ?
14:22 asciilifeform all you need is a physical process that is 1) repeatable, in that you can birth a matched pair of'em 2) cannot be substantially sped up
14:22 mircea_popescu not so.
14:23 asciilifeform hm?
14:23 mircea_popescu your original wanted unrewindability, also.
14:23 mircea_popescu 1. unique ; 2. repeatable ; 3. unalterable (but 4. copyable)
14:23 mircea_popescu that's two mutually exclusive demands in one package.
14:23 asciilifeform i dun see why unrewindable. 'can't speed up' means enemy has nothing to rewind.
14:24 asciilifeform he gets 5 min alone with your parcel, all he sees is 5 min. of output.
14:24 mircea_popescu you make otp 1 and 2, and send 2 to china. i take 2 and make 3 and 4, pass off 3 as 2 and keep 4.
14:24 asciilifeform 'make 3 and 4' means you got it to shit bits at > the specified rate.
14:25 asciilifeform ( in the case of a typical recording medium -- all at once )
14:25 mircea_popescu no, it just means i copied it, thro9ugh the exact process you used to create the two in the first place.
14:25 asciilifeform if you can do that, you've definitionally departed from my #2
14:26 asciilifeform to reformulate -- is it possible to create an intrinsically nonrandomaccess 'slow tape'.
14:26 mircea_popescu yes.
14:26 mircea_popescu starmap is such a one.
14:26 asciilifeform dun make for crypto, though, for obvious reason
14:27 mircea_popescu exactly.
14:27 asciilifeform may as easily say 'stock market'
14:27 mircea_popescu or in other words, your design is nonsense. it demands mutually exclusive properties.
14:27 asciilifeform yer postulating the conclusion.
14:27 asciilifeform naughty.
14:27 asciilifeform whole q is whether they are contradictory. i say not.
14:27 mircea_popescu no. either it's "slow tape nonrandom access" or else it's "alf gets to fuck with it"
14:28 mircea_popescu there's no way to have alf nominated personally in the workings of physics, and thereby have a tape alf and alf alone can fuck with
14:28 mircea_popescu until he ascends, at least.
14:28 asciilifeform to demonstrate, here's a design for an object that meets the described spec , if p!=np :
14:28 mircea_popescu now this is interesting
14:28 asciilifeform consists of 1) an ordinary, trivially copied otp, e.g. a hdd full of fuckgoatsolade ;
14:30 asciilifeform 2 ) a mechanism similar to bitcoin's sha2 pow, where it grinds out a collision , the number of ticks that it took, xor'd with pad loc i, then next i+1 , .... , until pad runs out.
14:30 asciilifeform now let's picture, enemy captures the box.
14:30 mircea_popescu there are no ticks irl.
14:30 asciilifeform he makes an exact copy.
14:30 asciilifeform 'ticks' meaning how many increments of nonce here.
14:30 mircea_popescu alright.
14:31 asciilifeform now if we can put a bound on the enemy's advantage in calculating the (nonparallelizable, note, it should be clear why ) output -- we have the item.
14:32 mircea_popescu i don't get it. so you get hdd 1, make 5 copies, i capture one, start grinding it into an otp. so do you. if my computer is 10% faster i'll have the i+1 10% faster than you will.
14:32 mircea_popescu what exactly is so safe about this ?
14:32 asciilifeform it only becomes interesting if we can turn the 10 to a 0.
14:32 asciilifeform it is not necessarily impossible to do this.
14:33 mircea_popescu but your original claim, that "to demonstrate, here's a design for an object that meets the described spec , if p!=np :", crumbled under scrutiny.
14:34 asciilifeform i disagree that it crumbles : if you were to find a nonparallelizable trapdoor that no one is likely to outrun you in computing -- you have the item.
14:34 mircea_popescu and if all men were the same height how would women choose.
14:36 asciilifeform there does exist such a thing as a physical limit.
14:37 mircea_popescu and in other sweet little nothings, http://78.media.tumblr.com/e03a8bb64ed31e87aecdd2c8772eaecf/tumblr_nmb17do3dm1tw52ilo1_400.gif
14:38 asciilifeform lolswordswallower
14:47 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> 90s a lot dumber than originally thought, in the us. << Pantsuit was president. Bill just sorta decoration to quiet the rednecks
14:48 deedbot http://deedbot.org/bundle-488152.txt
14:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: another hypothetical 'near solution' would be a well-boobytrapped package containing remanence-free ( per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1656777 scheme ) sram with otp
14:48 a111 Logged on 2017-05-16 01:51 asciilifeform: if i were drawing up such a thing, i'd even have the sram work in such a way that 10 is a 1 on odd clock cycles, 0 on even
14:51 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> and since we're doing amusings -- i wonder why exactly hasn't the "alt right" picked up on JESUIT heritage to bitch and whine about ? it's just about the core of modern pantsuitism, it was historically oppressed specifically for pantsuitism, and when i say historically i mean centuries not decades, why exactly nobody knows enough to say "the jesuits will not replace us" ? << The Return of Kink thing has done some jesuit
14:51 BingoBoingo criticism, dunno how far it's going to go
14:51 asciilifeform for sake of argument, pour it (+ power source) into glass globe. if package detects that temp is too far from room, or that the globe got smaller in any axis ( e.g. internal refraction will change ) -- blows the sram.
14:52 asciilifeform if operating normally, however -- pisses out, say, byte/sec optically through glass.
14:56 asciilifeform note that these 'tanks' do not have to be impregnable, in order to work. if the enemy has a 1 in 10 chance of breaking it -- send a crate with 100 and xor'em. for so long as it is easier for you to make'em than for him to crack'em, by a wide margin, he is fucked
14:57 asciilifeform if he fails to silently break even ~one~, you have a working otp !
15:05 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> in the sense court will order you to support college kid. << Fambly court will
15:12 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it may surprise you to know that i've no bear traps laying about the house ; not even in dungeon.
15:12 mircea_popescu it's an intrinsically unsafe thing, this boobytrap bs.
15:13 asciilifeform not the detonating sort of trap, but the key-wipin' sort
15:13 mircea_popescu that';d be better.
15:13 asciilifeform that's what i specified, thought it was obvious.
15:13 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo a hey, so not completely clueless then. good to know.
15:14 phf i believe we had a booby trap thread, about putting grenades into those reinforced 90s doors
15:15 mircea_popescu "does this boob implant come in black and also smokeless powder variants ???"
15:15 asciilifeform phf: not only schematic above dun explode, but ideally it would not even zero key, but rngize, so enemy has nfi whether trap sprung or not
15:15 mircea_popescu this'd be a helluva device, incidentally, for teh wife bimbofication process. "congrats on your new 1150 ml funbags hon, and remember, if they detect the wrong hand..."
15:16 asciilifeform lol! as pictured in that story aha
15:16 phf asciilifeform: that i figured out, the whole contraption reminds me of that ru anti-temper device pdf that you posted recently
15:16 mircea_popescu 500ml of powder should make a decent hole / tear an arm off.
15:16 asciilifeform phf: lose-key-if-tampered is only practical with remanence-free sram. which afaik exists only here in the l0gz and nowhere else.
15:16 asciilifeform so there is no state of the art.
15:17 mircea_popescu moreover, what's to keep your glass ball from rowhammer.
15:17 asciilifeform um the fact that enemy can't address it ?
15:17 asciilifeform it pisses bits one by one, take no input.
15:17 asciilifeform *takes
15:17 mircea_popescu but it still consists of electric charge geometrically arranged.
15:18 asciilifeform the addressing sequence is fixed. can't rearrange the circuit without busting the physical package.
15:18 mircea_popescu well, first step to instrumentation is modelling it on your own whiteboard.
15:19 asciilifeform btw rowhammer dun apply to sram.
15:19 asciilifeform intrinsically.
15:19 asciilifeform ( enemy still dun get to address it, because that's the whole point of the glass, to make the 'you get 1 bit at a time' thing happen )
15:20 mircea_popescu in other lulz, anyone familiar with the early anti-pot hearst smear campaigns ? (1930s). it's a long string of, basically, "do you want your daugther sucking mexican cock ? and corrupting her sister to participate in wild orgies? ?!?! !!?!?!? "
15:21 asciilifeform 'reefer madness' (tm)(r)
15:21 mircea_popescu aha.
15:26 ben_vulpes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X82zLM0oUY << featuring kristen bell in leather
15:26 ben_vulpes no tits, tho iirc
15:27 mircea_popescu the sad macula of modernity is that even liz taylor's tits seem small.
15:28 ben_vulpes (also starring steven weber, who also starred in the never-spoken-about-again pilot of 'being bin laden' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5o8jYNBORU )
15:28 mircea_popescu speaking of which : reflections in a golden eye feature the harlot a) naked b) talking hardcore bdsm with an even more potato-y than usual brando and c) engaging in some public caning
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15:51 mircea_popescu ahaha this is fucking hysterical.
15:52 mircea_popescu speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-01#1719082 here we encounter the example : https://elaineou.com/2014/06/04/google-shopping-express-and-the-future-of-on-demand-delivery/
15:52 a111 Logged on 2017-10-01 04:20 elaineo: as a resident of the SF bay area, i appreciate all the VC-subsidized free shit
15:52 mircea_popescu money shot : "Because my order came from nine different stores, eight separate vehicles showed up at our offices. Only eight, because my Teriyaki Yakisoba from Smart & Final was canceled from the SF order: Out of Stock in Daly City. I received that same item in my Mountain View order, because it was still in stock in San Mateo. Not a single cracker was broken!Not a single cracker was broken! In SF, three drivers showed up one
15:52 mircea_popescu at a time with our chips, crackers, and ramen, over a span of 4 hours. I received an email saying my Monster Energy Drink had been delivered, but nobody had shown up with it. I sent an email inquiry."
15:52 mircea_popescu fucking imagine this, eight cars showing up to bring you individually wrapped cheezits.
15:53 asciilifeform old hat, asciilifeform routinely orders single screws, nuts, on lolazon etc
15:53 asciilifeform they show up next day's lunch.
15:54 mircea_popescu i can already smell the steak. it will be beef, corn on the cobb, a bottle of fine wine and mushroom sauce.
15:54 asciilifeform ( often in, yes, separate couriers. why -- is mystery )
15:54 mircea_popescu if these were delivered individually by as many cars i'd be shooting someone.
15:54 mircea_popescu terrifyingly inconvenient way to live wtf.
15:55 asciilifeform vs what, vs having servant fetch whole thing for you and serve on silver tray ?
15:55 asciilifeform yes inconvenient
15:55 asciilifeform vs doing it with own hands -- convenient.
15:55 mircea_popescu if i actually needed so many different kinds of screws as to make keeping stocks untenable i'd review the whole process and take out some screw types.
15:56 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what's wrong with just buying a pallet of new england original oyster flavoured crackers ?
15:56 asciilifeform the only way to optimize a ~research~ conveyor, rather than production, is to simply stock massive qty of everything under the sun
15:56 asciilifeform which is what asciilifeform more or less tends to do.
15:56 asciilifeform but the house ain't infinite.
15:56 mircea_popescu no research is involved in any of this. FMCG, 100% of it.
15:57 mircea_popescu blue diamond roasted almonds.
15:57 asciilifeform example. recently asciilifeform needed a cr1220 battery. they keep - theoretically - for decade on shelf. in practice, few yrs ( chinese ). 0 source of these within a day's drive . so ordered, and next day it was in.
15:57 asciilifeform what part of this is optimizable ?
15:58 asciilifeform 'don't keep machinery that wants 1220 ' lol goodluck
15:59 asciilifeform not everything is fungible, esp if budget is made of something other than rubber
15:59 asciilifeform the instrument you have is the one you have, and it wants a 1220 batt. nao wat.
16:02 * mod6 orders twinkie
16:02 asciilifeform and yes lolazon et al are in business because folx order twinkies, not because asciilifeform orders cr1220.
16:03 asciilifeform ( i suspect this is an exact rerun of the ebay thread, so i'll stop here for nao )
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16:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform rather.
16:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally, as a long term customer maybe worth your while to write heartfelt letter to jdw character ?
16:49 asciilifeform and iirc we also had thread re how crapple is not in business because asciilifeform reads trb coad and 1970s 'химия и жизнь' on a crappad
16:49 mircea_popescu it's hard to deny the community of goals, and dood's been doing this since bbs days
16:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: possibly. 1st i gotta figure out whether i already did this, lol
16:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what do you suppose i should say to him ?
16:51 mircea_popescu ~only pill, dubious as it is, against the "and it will" part of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720015
16:51 a111 Logged on 2017-10-03 03:06 asciilifeform: when it finally rots to unusability -- and it will -- it will be an epic sad to asciilifeform .
16:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that look there's this tmsr thing and why isn't he in there and look how well his things fit to our things.
16:52 * asciilifeform puts this item on conveyor.
16:53 asciilifeform speaking of olden days, whatever happened to the anon.penet.fi d00d ?
16:53 asciilifeform after, i mean, his thrashing by usg
16:54 asciilifeform where did this 'community of goals' go. the one from those days.
16:54 asciilifeform or, take more recent : where is ladar levison ?
16:55 asciilifeform ...they sank into a bog? really, all of'em ??
16:58 asciilifeform http://www.xent.com/FoRK-archive/fall96/0092.html << 1 often-forgotten detail re penet
17:00 asciilifeform !~google Johan Helsingius
17:00 jhvh1 asciilifeform: Johan Helsingius - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Helsingius>; Anonymously Yours- An Interview with Johan Helsingius . | WIRED: <https://www.wired.com/1994/06/anonymous-1/>; Johan 'Julf' Helsingius Appointed as Chairman of BaseN's Board of ...: <http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/johan-julf-helsingius-appointed-as-chairman-of-basens-board-of-directors-580792341.ht
17:02 asciilifeform 'BaseN, Global IoT Operator, is delighted to announce the appointment of Mr. Johan Helsingius as the new Chairman of the Board of Directors as of May 23, 2016. He has served as a board member since 2002. Johan Helsingius founded the first major commercial ISP in Finland, EUnet, and co-founded the first pan-European ISP, EUnet International. He held the position of Executive Vice President and Chief Technology Officer at largest pan-E
17:02 asciilifeform uropean IP Carrier KPNQwest. He has received the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) Pioneer Award...'
17:02 asciilifeform 'BaseN, established in 2001, is the inherently scalable computing Platform for hosting billions of spimes, the core objects of the Internet of Things'
17:02 asciilifeform sad.
17:02 asciilifeform zimmermanned.
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18:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform> ...they sank into a bog? really, all of'em ?? << yeah ; meanwhile "uber is worth 100 bn". because why ? it's still the same shitty groupon of no margins in a rtight market as it was back when the principals were stealing cereal from supermarkets and people said https://elaineou.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/uber0.png
18:58 mircea_popescu what, the loud nonsense of http://trilema.com/2015/you-know-what-gets-no-airplay-unflattering-truth/#selection-159.66-159.71 and well-placed spammers/fraudsters like http://trilema.com/2012/lets-have-fun-with-paul-graham/ changed something ?
18:59 mircea_popescu no, "those" "sank into swamp" whereas every last hoaxtoshi, ripple, women's rights and black lives matter is "worth" all the moneyz.
18:59 mircea_popescu problem ?
19:02 mircea_popescu again and again it goes back to that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719978 ; for as long as you read beobachter it will be a case that groupon is a great victory of socialism and nobody heard of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-27#811981
19:02 a111 Logged on 2017-10-03 02:43 mircea_popescu: iirc this was even broken on ro trilema at some ancient point, to usual chorus of "but what proof do you have this proof you have is proofing" and other theguardianisms.
19:02 a111 Logged on 2014-08-27 05:22 mircea_popescu: vaununu doesn'tr get nearly enough airplay. imo he's the most important jew to have ever been produced by israel.
19:11 mircea_popescu meanwhile in grainy black-and-white teenage interest, http://78.media.tumblr.com/38ddc93cb51ebedb94df8d46d637847f/tumblr_nqmypnYnWn1u3sqw6o1_1280.jpg
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19:55 mircea_popescu and in other lulz, "That’s not very nice. Studies have shown that female leaders are less ego-driven and more risk-averse than men. So a woman-led corporation may be less likely to take over the world, but also less likely to go the way of Enron."
19:56 asciilifeform the way of yahoo
19:57 mircea_popescu EXCEPT, of course, that those "studies" were done on sophomoric psychology students from cheapo colleges, who were told to pretend they're leaders. except they're ~actually~ housewives, and only there for exactly the reason described in https://elaineou.com/2014/06/16/100-percent-men/
19:57 mircea_popescu as it turnsd out this is instinctual female behaviour, seeing how it's equally in the mind of egyptian subsistence nobodies and chinese immigrant to us.
19:59 mircea_popescu meanwhile as alf actually points out, whenever one makes the mistake of promoting female to irl leadership position, the result is overambitious ineptitude as perhaps best depicted by https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6134/5978837887_1b76b0e92e_b.jpg
19:59 mircea_popescu pro tip : guess what the mousy walflower with no tits and 0 sexual market value did with her life ?
20:00 mircea_popescu yeah, that's right. "leadership". of the batshit insane rather than risk averse, utterly scandalous nonsense rather than not ego-driven.
20:00 mircea_popescu (yes, that's nancy pelosi.)
20:00 asciilifeform what's the other one
20:00 mircea_popescu liz taylor.
20:07 mircea_popescu https://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2012/10/06/official-uk-government-attempt-at-censorship/ << in other lulz.
20:07 mircea_popescu the TWIST however, is that the bad guys (uk govt) are trying to protect not "officials" but private individuals, from a crazed online campaign by the usual pantsuit. at stakle is the culling of badgers, which are common pests, and as animals have no rights.
20:10 asciilifeform http://www.badger-killers.co.uk << the site in question .
20:10 asciilifeform 'buy this domain'
20:11 mircea_popescu heh
20:11 asciilifeform already hollowed out, seems.
20:11 mircea_popescu well this was a 2012 item
20:11 asciilifeform https://archive.is/GR8td << cache
20:12 asciilifeform lulzy
20:12 asciilifeform reminds me, did they ever unban the fox hunt over there ?
20:12 mircea_popescu nah.
20:12 asciilifeform why foxes -- have 'rights', and badgers not.
20:12 mircea_popescu they do not.
20:12 mircea_popescu uktards are just dumb.
20:13 asciilifeform but apparently not consistently ?
20:13 mircea_popescu ya well.
20:13 mircea_popescu "Our intention is to patrol the cull zones and using Cree LED torches and noise disrupt the illegal shooting of badgers, We will assume that all shooting is illegal until we have been notified by a government body that a farm is licensed. When we have been notified of which specific farms within the zone are legal we will monitor the cull & using Cree LED torches and noise notify marksmen of our presence, not to disrupt the s
20:13 mircea_popescu hooting but to make sure everyone is safe. Please read our legal guide to understand the laws and stay within them." << teh strong scent of anal childhood, "lalala we are calling it something else!!!"
20:14 mircea_popescu overpowering in that earlier piece re stealing people's money to promote ideas of social engineering that the govt doesn't actually have the guts to put in the budget and tax for.
20:14 asciilifeform we have (had?) these folx here in usa. they're the reason why there were armed guards at the rat house at asciilifeform's old lab.
20:14 mircea_popescu "oh, property is not a fundamental right ; but not forcing randos to give it away to our friends may create problems of a most ethereal nature!!11"
20:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sounds almost as if their object were to catch a stray bullet here an' there and then blame hunters
20:16 mircea_popescu and in other important business news, http://www.businessinsider.com/snapchat-ceo-my-emails-dont-reflect-my-view-towards-women-2014-5
20:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the object of the anal child is to prove to the world that there is no such thing as his father taking him behind the shed and killingh him with a blunt shovel.
20:16 mircea_popescu all other behaviours allign around this.
20:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform but note that the evan spiegel response is not "so ? do you have a sister ?" but "oh im so ashamed of having pissed into lilly's butt-mouth"
20:19 asciilifeform 'deeply regrets' lol
20:19 asciilifeform 'cofounder of $2 billion photo application'
20:19 mircea_popescu in the sense of hooli having put 2bn worth of bezzle through this particular set of papers.
20:19 asciilifeform noshit.jpg
20:19 mircea_popescu he's worth not enough to buy me a drink irl.
20:19 asciilifeform not even 2bil toothpicks
20:20 asciilifeform i suspect 2bil toothpicks , if actually possessed and wielded, would buy something above this nonsense
20:20 mircea_popescu well, bunch of small items is a popular mid-course anal stretching prop.
20:21 mircea_popescu prolly not toothpicks, but a lot of thin pens works well.
20:21 asciilifeform lessay each is worth a tenth of a penny,
20:21 asciilifeform !~calc 1e9 * 0.001
20:21 jhvh1 asciilifeform: 1e9 * 0.001 = 1000000
20:21 asciilifeform buxorz.
20:21 mircea_popescu you don't understand consumer goods.
20:22 mircea_popescu toothpicks with demand are worth 20 bux per 500, and without demand are worth negative 100 dollars per ton to store.
20:22 asciilifeform troo, they takeupspace.
20:22 mircea_popescu it's a very sharp curve, like 1/log(x)*sqrt(x)
20:22 asciilifeform hence why i said 'wielded'
20:22 mircea_popescu owniong many toothpics is exactly equivalent to owning an option.
20:23 mircea_popescu but w/o the implicit underside protection of options. if you're lucky they expire worthless.
20:26 asciilifeform yea makes sense.
20:31 mircea_popescu meanwhile in exciting discoveries, http://78.media.tumblr.com/a17587d71f79a3a06e58ecd93736ff1d/tumblr_nqybldNGlF1uyasupo1_500.gif
20:39 asciilifeform in other olds, http://oeis.org/A001608 .
20:40 mircea_popescu this is a gfx thingee
20:40 asciilifeform hm?
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21:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the series is used in some graphical engine testing
21:25 mircea_popescu "worst case", sorta like the memory checker patterns
21:28 mircea_popescu trinque is rss still iffy ?
21:32 mircea_popescu and in other important california contributions to world-everything, https://elaineou.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/drugrabbit.png
21:37 mircea_popescu for they with closure experience : https://elaineou.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/shyp-jobs.png
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21:55 trinque eh yup, looks like it is. giving it a look.
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22:11 deedbot http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/10/02/some-costs-of-importing-randomness/ << Ossasepia - Some Costs of Importing Randomness
22:13 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/minigame-smg-september-2017-statement/ << Trilema - MiniGame (S.MG), September 2017 Statement
22:25 trinque appears to have been gagged on a uniturd. thing's due for a rewrite from python to the new lispy stuff.
22:26 trinque pretty sure I've fixed the uniturd removal for now.
22:27 trinque feeds and deeds are gonna get rewritten as part of connecting them to the wallet service.
22:28 trinque once pay-per-lever-pull is solid, plenty of places to go from there.
22:36 mircea_popescu a cool
22:36 mircea_popescu incidentally trinque you got some kind of continuance in place ?
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22:53 trinque there's the usual stream of backups; as for bus factor, machine-wise the strategy is ever-easier deploys. in regards to my own pulse, was thinking of giving ben_vulpes a holler, so might as well bring it up now.
22:58 mircea_popescu i would ~really hate~ having to redo the whole deedbot stack (deeds, wot AND payments) in the manner we had to redo btcalpha when mike got sucked back into fiatlife.
22:59 mircea_popescu then again, i would also really hate fucking with a man's work ; so find something that works for you while it doesn't expose us to that downside.
23:01 trinque I'm a stubborn bastard, dead or not.
23:02 trinque most of this bot is still intended to be vpatched and released
23:06 trinque as for getting sucked back into the fiat world, bot runs on my oath, or passed to someone who can.
23:07 trinque speaking of the fiat world, I recently spent an obscene amount of bezzlars working on granting a fella shares in a garden variety llc
23:08 trinque my how the fruits of this land entice
23:12 trinque well and meanwhile the bot threatens to end up a business. a backups service was only the most obvious and low-hanging one that came to mind.
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23:13 ben_vulpes http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-10-4#215335 << happy to help
23:13 mimisbrunnr Logged on 2017-10-04 02:45 trinque: there's the usual stream of backups; as for bus factor, machine-wise the strategy is ever-easier deploys. in regards to my own pulse, was thinking of giving ben_vulpes a holler, so might as well bring it up now.
23:13 trinque the deposit fee isn't meant to be more than a baseline "help keep the lights on" source of revenue.
23:14 ben_vulpes i could probably boot a duplicate of your stack, wallet excepted, in a reasonably short period of time
23:14 ben_vulpes provided you sent me some code
23:14 trinque great. I'll get you that soon.
23:15 ben_vulpes http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-10-4#215345 << usgistani corporation types and tax optimization is the fucking worst and most terrible vogonic poetry.
23:15 mimisbrunnr Logged on 2017-10-04 03:00 trinque: speaking of the fiat world, I recently spent an obscene amount of bezzlars working on granting a fella shares in a garden variety llc
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23:56 BingoBoingo Anyone know any good resources for learning the Khmer language?
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