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00:00 mod6 lol
00:04 sina trinque: there is a DApp for that
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00:22 mircea_popescu ethereum-crap or ethereum-shit ?
00:22 mircea_popescu THINK CAREFULLY BEFORE YOU ANSWER!!! THE QUESTION MAKES A DIFFERENCE!
00:23 BingoBoingo shart.ethereum.wet introduces still moar complications
00:24 trinque being a cryptocoins expert, I chose crap. shit is against the community guidelines.
00:25 mircea_popescu ah i see
00:25 mircea_popescu well you're crap outta luck then. sorry for your flush.
00:26 trinque d'oh
00:27 trinque in other failed social theories, I bought that Britannica Great Books of the Western World
00:28 trinque 1952
00:29 trinque pretty decent bundle of classics and so on, but the first volume in the thing presents, of course, a feverish pitch for "(presumably free) liberal education for all"
00:32 trinque couple of strikingly self aware lines in there, along the lines of "if it is impossible to educate every man with the great books of the west, aristotle was right and the mass of humanity are unfit for anything but slavery"
00:33 trinque and of course, it appears the thing was received as "omg what is this anthology of dead european men" and "this math is too hard! unfair!"
~ 18 minutes ~
00:51 mircea_popescu heh.
00:51 mircea_popescu in other such lulz, apparently egbert-shillbert-shitforbrains w/e his name is now enthusiastically supports something caled segweb 2.0 ?
00:51 mircea_popescu it'll never end, this constant stream of improved improvements, until they're literally fucking buried, the muppets, will it.
00:53 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B6DC42B8DC3F0690251A7CEFBD5E1B1DB674A82C29EE43071298267D2CCA1B94 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1481...5963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.196.165.14 (ssh-rsa key from 217.196.165.14 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (kogpi.edu.te.ua. UA)
00:53 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B6DC42B8DC3F0690251A7CEFBD5E1B1DB674A82C29EE43071298267D2CCA1B94 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1615...7043 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.196.165.14 (ssh-rsa key from 217.196.165.14 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (kogpi.edu.te.ua. UA)
00:53 trinque lying shitbag hopes you'll unwind 'em one by one instead of cutting his knot
00:54 mircea_popescu meanwhile chasing manufactured nonsense such as "core devs" and "miner consensus conference" and etcetera.
00:54 mircea_popescu didn't work in 2012, back when the whole bitcoin market cap was < mp's net worth. it's going to work five years later, with 50 bn btc ? because why, everyone's kakobrekla and wealth makes them too stupid to survive ?
00:56 BingoBoingo Just remember, there's a spooky skeleton inside you
00:57 mircea_popescu and with enough radithor, you could see it when it's dark in your room!
01:01 trinque http://archive.is/DLQdg << make sure your bottle is certified
01:08 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2017/05/still-no-consensus-supporting-bitcoin-hardfork-barry-silbert-pretends-otherwise-to-his-peril/ << Anyway Shillybum's websit 2.0 was already Qntricated
01:09 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo aha.
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01:31 BingoBoingo HOLYFUCKSTICKS http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/10/police-suspect-shoots-victim-using-shotgun-shell-rice-krispies/
~ 27 minutes ~
01:59 mircea_popescu thius is good for krispiescoin
02:03 BingoBoingo for srs
~ 7 hours 20 minutes ~
09:24 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5E102CACE1AAC63761285CC2BA5F8D29352B2160F37ABCCBD9FD7612192479CC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1221...4647 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.30 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.30 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
09:24 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5E102CACE1AAC63761285CC2BA5F8D29352B2160F37ABCCBD9FD7612192479CC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1057...5497 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.30 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.30 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
09:24 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A4138E3BD4EFECB12B67342E2EEA7E462FB04937FE52CB859AB95E24A0E2E419 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1057...5497 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.108 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.108 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
09:24 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/43360F99EBE054B997E3229DCAFB72C7EC8A8AA7B14A0BA8B8F45F51451C8569 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1057...5497 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.107 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.107 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
09:24 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A4138E3BD4EFECB12B67342E2EEA7E462FB04937FE52CB859AB95E24A0E2E419 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1237...4767 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.108 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.108 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
09:24 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/43360F99EBE054B997E3229DCAFB72C7EC8A8AA7B14A0BA8B8F45F51451C8569 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1237...4767 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.107 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.107 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
09:32 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/59B14B5EC91F8CC356C728E87A72716CF2500AF2C700939C7B7703E8AA27B4F6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1508...2407 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.232.33.244 (ssh-rsa key from 212.232.33.244 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.yarobltour.ru. RU YAR)
09:32 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/59B14B5EC91F8CC356C728E87A72716CF2500AF2C700939C7B7703E8AA27B4F6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1423...4273 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.232.33.244 (ssh-rsa key from 212.232.33.244 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.yarobltour.ru. RU YAR)
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11:53 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all --currency gbp
11:53 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 2310.168394, vol: 8798.21904224 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 2247.4859154, vol: 7144.06502 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 2382.280672, vol: 12140.73220000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 2216.276, vol: 87.96329911 | Volume-weighted last average: 2325.05708707
11:53 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all --currency eur
11:53 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 2629.634709, vol: 8791.18977682 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 2509.36708, vol: 137.92842 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 2712.4902, vol: 12140.19920000 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 2580.0, vol: 13774.1766582 | Volume-weighted last average: 2638.40583255
11:53 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
11:53 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2944.39, vol: 8790.39293561 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2864.599, vol: 7144.06502 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2949.7, vol: 22084.37849623 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3036.5853, vol: 12140.45820000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2899.999, vol: 6035.27513696 | Volume-weighted last average: 2951.48351894
~ 1 hours 37 minutes ~
13:31 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2017/06/11/out-with-saddam-in-with-usain-or-blackzilla-unchained-or-the-1000-car-project-ou-lobjet-epeurant-or-breadwinners-delight-or-possibly-some-other-title-but-mostly-pete-bought-yet-another-c/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Out with Saddam, in with Usain. Or Blackzilla unchained. Or the $1000* car project. Ou l’objet épeurant. Or breadwinner’s delight. Or possibly some other title but mostly “Pete bought
~ 21 minutes ~
13:52 * BingoBoingo suggests honda goldwing 'valkyrie' for pete_dushenski's next mid life crisis
13:53 mircea_popescu lmao
13:54 mircea_popescu wtf is with all the lawnmowers anyway. took bmw over to "european motors" shop, everything in the fucking yard was shitty azn makes.
13:54 mircea_popescu what, "european by alliance" cars nao ?
13:54 BingoBoingo Well, yeah.
13:54 mircea_popescu pshaw.
13:55 BingoBoingo Everyone but japs forgot how to make car-baby
13:55 BingoBoingo While japs forgot how to make baby
13:56 BingoBoingo And japs now rent "how we make car-baby" process to brands clinging to other flags
13:59 BingoBoingo Anyways, Goldwing prolly has more comfy seat than Blackzilla
14:06 BingoBoingo But yes, lawnmowers are the future. Time for BMW to start offering 3 point hitches so can tow rough cut mower
14:13 mircea_popescu sigh
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14:36 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The thing is you buy one car every 12 years for light volcano to beach transit. That doesn't make an industry, so to solve this retailer has to borrow from mass market lawnmowers to offer a carriage to mircea_popescu that might avoid smiting
14:37 BingoBoingo Retailer dressed as a "dealer" has either offer a carriage or a lawnmower convincingly dressed as a carriage.
14:37 BingoBoingo Latter's cheaper to do.
14:49 mircea_popescu ah, but i buy one car for each journeyman slavegirl./
14:49 mircea_popescu that makes for a lot of cars.
14:49 BingoBoingo Oh, ic
14:49 BingoBoingo Maybe you ought to produce a spec and assign a slavegirl to start a coachbuilding empire?
14:50 mircea_popescu sort of an baccaratlaureat if you will.
14:50 mircea_popescu yeah, eventually, but not quite there yet.
14:54 BingoBoingo Well eventually TMSR will get to stainless steel vehicle frames
~ 25 minutes ~
15:19 BingoBoingo !~google fiat malaise
15:19 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Fiat's Woes A Symptom Of Italy's Industrial Malaise : NPR: <http://www.npr.org/2012/09/23/161631757/italys-fiat-woes-a-symptom-of-industrial-malady>; Fiat Currencies Appear To Enter Period Of Sustained Malaise | Qntra: <http://qntra.net/2017/03/fiat-currencies-appear-to-enter-period-of-sustained-malaise/>; Fiat's Woes A Symptom Of Italy's Industrial Malaise | WAMU: (1 more message)
15:21 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/06/fiatbitcoin-interfaces-catch-up-to-dollars-fall-below-13000th-of-a-bitcoin/ << Qntra - fiat/Bitcoin Interfaces Catch Up To Dollar's Fall Below 1/3000th Of A Bitcoin
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15:37 mircea_popescu !~ticker
15:37 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 2927.7, Best ask: 2928.2, Bid-ask spread: 0.50000, Last trade: 2927.7, 24 hour volume: 21559.51514671, 24 hour low: 2711.1, 24 hour high: 3003.0, 24 hour vwap: None
~ 5 hours 29 minutes ~
21:07 sina good morning all
21:07 sina public holiday here in AU!
21:08 sina it's a beautiful day after raining all weekend, and from my education birds are having sex with bees
~ 15 minutes ~
21:23 mircea_popescu sina anal day in upside down land ?
21:33 sina mircea_popescu: haha do I dare ask the meaning of "anal day"?
21:33 mircea_popescu didn;'t you say it was a holiday down under ?
21:33 sina I did
21:33 mircea_popescu down under...
21:34 mircea_popescu upside down...
21:34 mircea_popescu GET IT ?
21:34 mircea_popescu it's a poon!
21:34 sina haha yeah, here "down under" is literally burned into the subconcious to mean "Australia" so we don't grok the phrase the same way
21:34 sina it doesn't receive identicall connotations :P
21:34 mircea_popescu identicanal conturbations
21:35 hanbot lol gratuitous pooning
21:35 mircea_popescu lol.
21:35 mircea_popescu speaking of which, isn't it a wonder latrina isn't a racial slur ?
21:36 mircea_popescu i mean, "i dunno what's with todd these days, he keeps fucking all these latrinas"...
21:36 mircea_popescu certainly works.
21:37 sina I dunno, I feel like it's a bit in the vein of "winblows"
21:37 sina Stallmanesque insults
21:38 mircea_popescu hm
21:38 sina mircea_popescu: are you secretly Richard Stallman?
21:38 sina that'd make so much sense!
21:38 hanbot sina yer just a downer under ;D
21:38 mircea_popescu no. for one thing my beard's way cooler.
21:39 sina I have a fierce craving for burger today
21:40 mircea_popescu that is good for burgercoin.
21:40 sina hey I was going to ask about WoT
21:40 sina so is deedbot the canonical WoT source?
21:40 mircea_popescu go on ?
21:40 mircea_popescu yeah
21:41 sina and I noticed you can ask it for an S-expression of the entire WoT, that's cool
21:41 sina so you can run your own "slave"
21:41 mircea_popescu yup
21:41 sina but, deedbot doesn't slave to anything itself?
21:42 sina so (and maybe I am missing the point), you can't really "run your own node"
21:43 mircea_popescu how do you mean ?
21:44 sina um...as in, the logical topology of the WoT is a ...web... but to join the web you enter via a tree structure where the root is master, and all other nodes are slaves
21:44 sina (deedbot being the root)
21:44 mircea_popescu you're conflating things.
21:44 mircea_popescu to enter the web, you have to have a rating.
21:45 sina but one can only be rated via deedbot
21:45 sina not saying that is good or bad, just asking in the general capability of the system
21:45 mircea_popescu now, the formalism for recording that rating currently in overwhelming use is !!rate. there is no rule that thios must be so. it is currently so for convenience, and because deedbot is trustworthy. either of these can change, but this would affect little : the party who trusts you can enter that trust into the public record through whatever command
21:48 sina the reason I ask is because last night I was thinking of a more coin style WoT, where everyone runs a node, there is an immutable shared log of ratings
21:48 mircea_popescu why ?
21:48 sina because I sometimes think things? :P
21:48 sina it means you can rate from any node
21:48 mircea_popescu yes, but for the things in your head to be called thinking, they must proceed form a basis. what is here the basis ?
21:51 sina the basis I guess is, substituing the trustworthiness of a single bot with a cryptographic chain, being able to run your own "full node" of the WoT, which gives access to secondary/tertiary networks to participate via a gateway, etc
21:51 sina not arguing this should be done, only relating the source of my thoughts which lead to the questions
21:51 sina because I didn't know, maybe deedbot already does this kind of thing
21:51 mircea_popescu did you read an' understand the "what the wot is" article ?
21:52 sina is that the deedbot.org/help.html page?
21:53 mircea_popescu no.
21:53 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
21:54 sina reading now, so you think the idea contravenes those principles?
21:54 mircea_popescu i think the idea discusses an item not related to the actual item.
21:55 mircea_popescu much like "wouldn't it be cool to make cars out of cardboard, they'd be easier to paint that way" misses the whole car thing
21:59 BingoBoingo Anyways, the problem with cardboard is keeping it painted
22:10 sina mircea_popescu: can you walk me through the hypothetical example case where you have woken up one morning and decided for some valid reason (e.g. deedbot WoT contents no longer match your local copy) that deedbot is no longer trustworthy but urgently want to enter a rating for me of -10 into the public record?
22:10 sina do you just post a message here saying "deedbot sucks, I have rates sina -10 in my local copy, which should now be considered canonical via mpbot"?
22:10 mircea_popescu for instance.
22:11 mircea_popescu in practice it'd likely look a lot more like hey trinque wtf is this, followed by everyone perking up and an answer of some kind being produced and so on.
22:12 sina lets say trinque modified it himself because he got syphilis
22:12 mircea_popescu the fundamental flaw in your earlier mental process, which is periodically discussed in the logs, is that you try to take trust as an objective. trust isn't an objective, the reason i trust you is because I TRUST YOU, not because deedbot says i do. and the ONLY use of the knowledge that i trust you is that you can ask me about you. nothing else.
22:12 mircea_popescu exactly opposite of the imperial certificate bullshit, which is 100% george costanza going "it's true i did nothing all week, but bear in mind i am in the smaller office". ie, "can you doctor ?" "no, not rly... but i do have a doctoring CERTIFICATE"
22:13 sina CostanzaBot
22:13 mircea_popescu but anyway -- if he modified them himself he gets to either convincingly fix it or else be replaced. just like anything else.
22:15 sina I think I asked you this long ago, but you keep a local copy of the WoT and expect others to as well right?
22:15 mircea_popescu not really expect anything. people are supposed to do their own thinking for themselves. but i expect i'd notice if my ratings weren't right.
22:16 mircea_popescu then again, maybe i wouldn't.
22:16 mircea_popescu review the gossipd discussions, they're instructive on the topic.
22:16 sina yes I have been working my way through those
22:16 mircea_popescu aha.
22:16 sina although there seems to be a huge amount of contention
22:16 sina between how you view those discussions and for example, asciilifeform
22:17 mircea_popescu in fairness it's a large ball of yarn and while it flows splendidly from itself, nevertheless it does flow exactlty opposite to ~everyone's acculturation in the soviet empire.
22:17 sina from my understanding of your view
22:18 sina it's something like UUCP + crypto authentication
22:18 mircea_popescu anyway, wasn't my impression there's substantial disagreement.
22:18 mircea_popescu what's uucp ?
22:18 sina unix-to-unix-copy
22:18 mircea_popescu nah.
22:19 sina an old protocol normally used for peering usenet
22:19 sina mircea_popescu: there is 159 comments on http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document
22:19 mircea_popescu aha
22:20 sina with a fair bit of disagreement
22:20 mircea_popescu there's a process to working out a mental image of a text. it involves inter alia building alternative models.
22:20 mircea_popescu this dun constitute disagreement.
22:22 mircea_popescu for perfect meta : re the matter of whether there is or there is not substantial disagreement, we aren't yet disagreeing. so far we're just trying to come to terms.
22:22 sina fair
22:23 mircea_popescu thyis is a fractally repeating point : the reason "social learning" as modelled by redditards doesn't work irl is the indirection layer. the reason gossipd is undefeatable in practice is... the indirection layer.
22:23 mircea_popescu the reason textual methods do not work in practice is... the indirection layer. and so on.
22:23 mircea_popescu "oh but he said nigger 85 times!!" "yes but he just uses that to denote tomatoes."
22:25 mircea_popescu the expectation that if you listen in a conversation of people you don't know you'll nevertheless be able to discern what is being said is pretty much THE thing distinguishing the esl anglotard from actual thinking people with a functioning head and part of a culture etc.
22:35 mircea_popescu (and yes "multiculturalism" is the cheapo excuse of lazy stupid people to not have an actual culture ; much like "the convenience" of fast food is the excuse inept housewives use to not work the kitchen.)
22:38 sina that reminds me I need to eat food
22:38 mircea_popescu enjoy
22:42 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1668696 << while I maintain the thing with integrity, I enjoy the benefits of a world where it exists and functions properly.
22:42 a111 Logged on 2017-06-12 02:13 mircea_popescu: but anyway -- if he modified them himself he gets to either convincingly fix it or else be replaced. just like anything else.
22:42 trinque this, to someone with a brain, is ample incentive
22:43 trinque meanwhile sina, you get to discover whether there are such folks in the world as can maintain a db of numbers without diddling them... to think!
22:46 sina no offense meant trinque, just a hypothetical
22:47 trinque none taken
22:47 mircea_popescu it's really not so different from yest when you and ben_vulpes were working on the mpfhf.
22:47 mircea_popescu "Why dun it work ?" "Fix it!" etc.
22:47 mircea_popescu or when candi lust was made, or when absolutely anything else tmsr-happened.
22:48 sina trinque: you might not have the specific form of syphilis which induces number diddling, but can you protect against... COSMIC RAYS
22:49 trinque thing has daily backups and logs of all interactions
22:49 trinque so prolly
22:49 mircea_popescu unlike the github cathedral-of-garbage-built-by-anonyous-rats-randomly-ambling about, there's actual people in charge which means the buck always stops somewhere. so it's not exactly "bug reports", it's more in the vein of "and here's your summons to parliament"
22:49 mircea_popescu sina and if it becomes an issue, it can be logified. the logger was originally single item you know.
22:50 sina sorry, that was just me trying to troll you
22:50 mircea_popescu in fact, deedbot was intended to be federated from the get go... or in fact no. the item deedbot replaced because the operator got syphilis (ie, assbot) was created specifically because failure of previous item (operator travelled unexpectedly, thing went down -- tis all in the logs) and was intended to be federated from the get-go
22:51 sina rigghthththtttt
22:51 sina see this was the original source of my questioning
22:51 mircea_popescu except nanotube never actually fixed gribble, for whatever reason (such as for instance - because it wasn't erroneously broken but deliberately broken)
22:51 sina "maybe deedbot does something similar to what I was thinking"
22:51 mircea_popescu it gets either fixed or replaced if not fixable.
22:52 mircea_popescu this is how engineering, and human industry, go.
22:52 sina so does it federate trinque?
22:52 mircea_popescu not currently.
22:53 trinque sina: it does in that nothing stops you from copying the wot sexp at an interval, doing whatever things your castle likes doing with the output
22:54 mircea_popescu trinque yes but it won't accept a "this is x's rating for y's, honest" from an altbot.
22:54 trinque certainly, and questionable whether it's a good idea
22:55 mircea_popescu myeah.
22:55 mircea_popescu certainly premature to inquire in the matter.
22:59 ben_vulpes in re candi_lustt, i'll point out that anyone in l2 could trivially reproduce her elsewhere, if phf's examples didn't drive the point home
22:59 sina yeah so what happened with #b-a?
22:59 mircea_popescu tis in teh logs!
22:59 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes yah but why make another slut, just reuse the extant one lel
23:03 ben_vulpes replace, reproduce...
23:03 mircea_popescu chronosones...
23:04 ben_vulpes they're not errors in copying, they're built in tests of the copier!
23:11 ben_vulpes sina: how do i build this thing
23:11 ben_vulpes > ./mpfhf.go:52: syntax error: unexpected EOF, expecting expression
23:13 ben_vulpes oh hm repo has something entirely different from trilema
23:13 ben_vulpes nifty
23:16 sina ben_vulpes: sorry I don't think it pasted right
23:17 mircea_popescu o.O
23:17 sina last I looked it was missing a bunch of the code
23:18 sina ben_vulpes: if you have 0 experience building go binaries, prepare for increased blood pressure
23:19 sina you need to set a GOPATH variable, e.g export GOPATH=~/Development/go and then clone the repo to $GOPATH/src/github.com/sinner-/mpfhf-golang
23:19 ben_vulpes i can handle tooling, ty
23:20 sina I just find it really annoying the way they do it
23:20 sina that and dependency management are the two weakpoints of golang I feel
23:20 sina for what it is
23:20 ben_vulpes getting odd results when i do some baseline poking, a message of "a" prints a toBinArray value of [1 1 0 0 0 0 1]
23:21 sina wtf
23:21 ben_vulpes just running fmt.Print(M) downstream of the toBinArray call
23:21 ben_vulpes naively, i'd expect that to be [0 1 1 0 0 0 0 1]
23:21 ben_vulpes heh
23:22 ben_vulpes dropped a leading zero?
23:23 ben_vulpes wacky, fmt.Print(len(M)) -> 7
23:23 sina oh
23:24 sina so when I was building it, I was trying to match the "MP kicks ass!" output, which starts with a 1 in the example (and IIRC when I did it in python)... the original string I had was printing a leading 0
23:24 sina so I tweaked it
23:24 sina The [M]essage chosen is MP kicks ass!, its bit-value is
23:24 sina 1001101101000010000011010111101001110001111010111110011100000110000111100111110011100001
23:25 sina http://trilema.com/mp_fabulous_hashonator.php
23:25 ben_vulpes yes but why is the length of the array of bits seven and not eight
23:26 ben_vulpes i mean i don't really know what you're getting at, but why is the length of the bit array resulting from eating a single char 7 and not 8
23:26 sina because the format string used drops the leading 0
23:26 sina (AFAIK)
23:26 ben_vulpes no buddy
23:26 ben_vulpes len(M)
23:26 ben_vulpes is seven
23:27 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1668782
23:27 a111 Logged on 2017-06-12 03:23 ben_vulpes: wacky, fmt.Print(len(M)) -> 7
23:27 sina ben_vulpes: can you change
23:27 sina - binString = fmt.Sprintf("%s%b", binString, c)
23:27 sina + binString = fmt.Sprintf("%s%.8b", binString, c)
23:28 ben_vulpes oh that's not a builtin aha
23:28 ben_vulpes much better
23:29 sina mircea_popescu: please confirm spec, are we dropping leading 0 (if exists) or not
23:29 sina if not, I need to update the python one too
23:29 mircea_popescu dropping what leading 0 ?
23:29 * ben_vulpes puzzled
23:30 ben_vulpes fwiw with that change it *now* matches the output of my implementation.
23:30 ben_vulpes at sixty four bits and hashing the character a.
23:31 sina mircea_popescu: if you look at the line above for "MP kicks ass!" from your PHP impl
23:31 ben_vulpes and several other values
23:31 sina it starts with a 1
23:31 mircea_popescu sina prolly because it's a piece of shit.
23:31 ben_vulpes again sina php implementation is of an earlier outdated spec
23:31 sina ok fair
23:31 mircea_popescu yes but what's he to go on.
23:31 mircea_popescu and besides, this sounds like php boog.
23:31 ben_vulpes i did it from the spec, not the php.
23:32 ben_vulpes did not even look at php because boogs!
23:32 sina its cool, I had it correct to begin with, but I modified it to match the thing I was seeing, my bad
23:33 sina ben_vulpes: have pushed updated ver to golang ver, let me figure out same for python
23:33 ben_vulpes heh
23:33 ben_vulpes now gotta wrestle with anaconda of "google stack for performance or pystack for not-being-google"
23:33 ben_vulpes pick one, you'll go nuts maintaining both
23:35 ben_vulpes aye, can confirm matching hashes on your default string
23:35 sina just because Rob Pike and co work at the goog doesn't mean golang is goog
23:35 sina they mostly write their junk in C++ and java from what I hear
23:35 ben_vulpes sure, and swift isn't apple lang lol
23:35 trinque google stack comes with built-in curl | bash !
23:36 trinque obviously best
23:36 ben_vulpes yeah that "go build" shit pulling in rando code from rando github accounts super great cool stuff
23:36 sina yeah :(
23:36 ben_vulpes very easy to get started with tho
23:37 ben_vulpes such developer adoption
23:37 sina that (and the dependency hell it introduces) is why I try and stick to their impressively comprehensive stdlib
23:37 trinque sounds like a guy who would end up appreciating common lisp.
23:37 sina probably you don't care but I have been working on this for funsies https://github.com/sinner-/blogir
23:38 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo suggests honda goldwing 'valkyrie' for pete_dushenski's next mid life crisis << nah, too "soaking up the open road". goldwings are for retired vagabonds with a penchant for leather chaps and 60s rock. sort of a post-life-crisis-mobile really.
23:38 ben_vulpes sina: eh just use wordpress
23:38 ben_vulpes there's a fork of some fraction of what drives trilema floating around the wot
23:39 ben_vulpes what, you're going to spend your precious energy furthering the browser hegemony?
23:39 trinque googs on both ends
23:39 sina how does building a webapp to learn golang further the browser hegenomy?!
23:41 ben_vulpes oh i thought you were like a golang professional or some such
23:41 sina lol
23:41 ben_vulpes trinque: boogs!
23:41 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: what, "european by alliance" cars nao ? << well, ghosn stepped down as nissan ceo so whatever bridge there was is burnt. now it's turbomowereich because nothing cheats nazi emissions standards quite like 'em.
23:42 ben_vulpes sina: why, i must ask, "learn go"?
23:43 sina ben_vulpes: professionally I'm not even a developer. Companies hire me because I can stuff at scale. but still don't understand how it furthers any hegemony
23:43 sina because I think it's a pretty nice high level language
23:43 * trinque not trying to pile on, but "I can stuff at scale" is entertaining as shit
23:43 ben_vulpes solid sentence construction to boot
23:43 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: But still greater potential power to thrust ratio!
23:44 ben_vulpes sina: it's a google product, you're "learning the lang" via writing a weblog that most likely generates html for...the browser. google lives by the browser.
23:45 sina that is some fancy mental gymnastics, but ok
23:45 ben_vulpes why not write numerical integrator? bignum stack?
23:45 ben_vulpes implement stephenson's orbital swarm trajectory planner?
23:46 ben_vulpes million billion toy projects that do not entail even touching webshit.
23:46 BingoBoingo sina: Consider the experiment where you learned trading by "seeding the orderbook" The "at scale" business is similar.
23:46 sina careful, browsers rely on numbers, don't want to further google hegemony
23:46 mircea_popescu lmao
23:46 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: mno. let's do the maff. valkyrie first :
23:46 ben_vulpes sina: math does not require xml, drop the sophistry.
23:46 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Of course not stock
23:47 BingoBoingo But shirley you can aftermarket compression into it's flat siz
23:47 pete_dushenski !~calc 752/102
23:47 BingoBoingo *six
23:47 jhvh1 pete_dushenski: 752/102 = 7.372549019607843
23:47 pete_dushenski vs. blackzilla
23:47 pete_dushenski !~calc 3800/625
23:47 jhvh1 pete_dushenski: 3800/625 = 6.08
23:47 sina BingoBoingo: how is it remotely similar?
23:48 BingoBoingo And lets not forget bonus horsepower like feelings engendered by feeling the wind on one's testicles
23:48 sina ben_vulpes: I didn't claim it did, the point is, taking your logic to its conclusion one can't do anything because google uses computers to do stuff
23:49 ben_vulpes sina: lol not even wrong
23:49 trinque "not everything is political" and "I just want to"
23:49 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: two wheeled endangerment does much for feelings engenderment, it's true, but not only way to skin testicles.
23:50 sina ben_vulpes: still not following, but that's ok, you explained your train of thought
23:50 BingoBoingo Anyways, what happened to your romantic feelings for flat six? Is flat six less sexy when it sends all of it's power to one wheel?
23:51 trinque correct number is 8
23:51 ben_vulpes ^
23:52 ben_vulpes sina: surely you see how universal reliance on the browser drives unthinking acceptance of the imperial key signing model, right?
23:52 ben_vulpes every time a child gets another hint that building things in html is a sensible way to spend a life, an angel of freedom loses her wings and plummets screaming towards the ground
23:53 ben_vulpes think of the angels
23:53 ben_vulpes think of the children
23:53 trinque lawl
23:53 ben_vulpes just say no to html
23:53 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: six is six, which isn't sex regardless of config. because not eight m8!
23:53 sina ben_vulpes: I'll listen to this drivel when you take down your blog
23:53 trinque and displacement matters; just ask her!
23:54 sina ben_vulpes: and wotpaste, etc
23:54 ben_vulpes army we have!
23:54 trinque btcbase.org/log
23:54 trinque aw crap
23:54 ben_vulpes sina: gotta talk to folks, gotta share text
23:54 ben_vulpes sina, why don't you ask what i do for a living?
23:55 ben_vulpes html!
23:55 ben_vulpes "intimacy breeds contempt"
23:55 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649534
23:55 a111 Logged on 2017-04-28 21:28 asciilifeform: which means NO NEW NONFITTINGINHEAD items!!
23:55 sina that explains this braindead discussion
23:55 ben_vulpes sina: and before you start throwing around words like "drivel" and "braindead", i'm not the one who lost his keys.
23:55 trinque sina: dunno what you thought the forum was for, but this
23:55 sina ben_vulpes: I *didn't* lose them
23:56 sina I thought I had because I couldn't decrypt some OTP, if you recall
23:56 ben_vulpes oh right, something something knobs on gpg?
23:56 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-02#1313929 << while we're on it
23:56 a111 Logged on 2015-11-02 14:59 mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/05/thank_god_the_heart_attack_gri.html << pretty great explanation on how psychological defenses work.
23:56 trinque the republic grinds 'em away, leaves a man, or nothing
23:56 ben_vulpes sina: keep coming back, it works if you work it
23:57 sina I follow everything you're saying, but it is plainly dumb to say writing a funsies webapp to learn a language has anything to do with anything
23:58 ben_vulpes the notion does depend on several years of shared context, yeah
23:58 sina I'm vaguely aware of the shared context, I get there is some stuff that is considered dumb around these neck of the woods, I just don't care
23:58 ben_vulpes i mean you're a smart guy, right? what's funsies about generating html trees?
23:59 ben_vulpes honest q
23:59 ben_vulpes surely this is something you can do on demand without thinking already
23:59 sina generating 24 lines of html template took about 3 seconds
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