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00:36 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661370 << They do indeed. Three point hitch. For small applications sleeve hitch and weight work.
00:36 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 01:44 mircea_popescu: plowing tractors have special hydraulics to keep it in. lot of force, more than the pull.
00:38 BingoBoingo lol, gabriel proposes alf secretary for a single benji while declining recurring and unbounded income to audience he proposed
00:39 trinque pretty sure the chatter about this or that grandiose item is the whole bag.
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01:15 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661455 << ahahaha sec!
01:15 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 03:08 mod6: !~later tell gabriel_laddel_p Let me know how much entropy you'd like, I'll run ent test & dieharder against it, let you decide if you want it. I'll ask 0.1 BTC per Gb. What is your bid?
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01:33 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661461 << boatwright will still require good quality wood, and other things. and making a boat (unless it's viking style, which is no good in ocean) requires ~a lifetime. the limit on the age of sail was early industrial process.
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01:33 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 03:16 asciilifeform: exactly like how mircea_popescu gets food finer than the finest, costliest cook could reliably make for him for money
01:33 mircea_popescu basically you picked the simplest one thing that dun work.
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01:33 mircea_popescu no man ever made a galleon, you understand, nor a manowar. these are made by 100s of people labouring over long hard years.
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01:34 mircea_popescu what man can make with own two hands i have seen, it's a pleasure to ride, it sells for loads of money, but to fuck in the thing you have to be young and she has to be flexible.
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01:41 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661567 << this has something to do with how http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661230
01:41 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 03:55 asciilifeform: funny how folx will spend quadrillions on idiot veblenisms and 0 on actual quality.
01:41 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 00:56 asciilifeform: those aristos died of stupidity-- thinking that they were exempt from having to learn about money, similarly to modern brahmins 'exemption' from crypto
01:41 mircea_popescu those dudes DID in fact pursue all sorts of (their version of) actual quality.
01:41 mircea_popescu but had no clue of money.
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03:36 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661455 << ahahaha sec! << heheh, think it's a bad idea?
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03:36 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 03:08 mod6: !~later tell gabriel_laddel_p Let me know how much entropy you'd like, I'll run ent test & dieharder against it, let you decide if you want it. I'll ask 0.1 BTC per Gb. What is your bid?
03:36 mod6 Anyway, for that kinda asking price, i'd figure he could buy a bunch for himself anyway.
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03:45 BingoBoingo But will he ever see the numbers YOURS produced in that GB?
03:46 BingoBoingo How many eons will he have to run his many potential FG to collide over a GB of data yours produced?
03:46 BingoBoingo How many universes will be born and die in that time"
03:46 BingoBoingo ?
03:52 mod6 ya lost me there.
03:52 mod6 anyway, the -otc days maybe came and went a long time ago. so gabriel_laddel_p might be sol.
03:56 mod6 anyway, im wiped.
03:56 mod6 night!
04:07 trinque "Suggested for you ?? Houston's top prostitution hot spots" >> not bad, google news
04:07 trinque finally worth a damn
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05:09 danielpbarron http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661290 << i can relate (in that I hate this world and everybody in it -- really. everybody. to be alone and sustaining would be heaven), and the answer is the Bible. I'm not saying you should stop doing the great work that you do. but that there is relief in the way you dream of in the world that is to come, if you are made to believe. If God could change my mind on this matter (which he did, i wa
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05:09 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 01:15 asciilifeform: 100% physically closed cycle, motherfuckers, on mars, if i could!1111
05:10 danielpbarron http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661461 << i eat this well. I buy food at the "oh that's too expensive" health food store (rather than the chain super market), and I cook it all myself (which I am very good at). It is expensive, sorta -- if you don't factor in the health care I don't have to pay for (because I don't get sick). if i ever found a girl worth marrying i could easily teach her how to do same, and have similar setup to
05:10 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 03:16 asciilifeform: exactly like how mircea_popescu gets food finer than the finest, costliest cook could reliably make for him for money
05:24 BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Do you grow any portion of your own food yet?
05:24 danielpbarron no
05:26 BingoBoingo It's an enjoyable past time. Plants take manure up front, but composted so less smell. Livestock constantly produces fresh smelly manure on the other avenue.
05:27 danielpbarron the way i figure, i'm locked into this undesirable location enough with what technical goods i possess. if it got so bad i couldn't buy proper raw ingredients anymore, i'd be better off moving elsewhere anyway, which i would like to do before such an extreme situation
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05:27 danielpbarron but shopping and cooking takes a lot of time from my day. i'm sure gardening would take more time than my shopping
05:28 BingoBoingo Still, an indeterminate type tomato in a planter is hard to turn into a -ev proposition. "Juliet" cultivar in a 14 inch container produces a lot of produce
05:29 shinohai Tomatoes (or the smallest of gardens, for that matter) have never been -ev thing for me, ever.
05:29 danielpbarron that's true, i could probably do tomato with ease. and I recently got into making my own red sauce so this might be worth considering
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05:30 BingoBoingo And if it exceeds parachute's weight limit, minimal pain should you abandon it.
05:30 danielpbarron what do you recommend for seed sources?
05:30 BingoBoingo Look into Juliet, San Marzano, and Roma in that order.
05:30 BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Burpee's fine
05:31 danielpbarron hm, ok
05:31 BingoBoingo For seed sources you just want true to type, high germination rate, and no shitty extras
05:33 BingoBoingo This late in the season in your neck of the woods probably safest to get a plant that's already started. One or two of the ubiquitous "Bonnie" 4 in peat pot starter plants would be fine and run ~2.50-4 USD a piece and give you a roughly 2 month head start.
05:33 BingoBoingo At that size it will have outgrown any objectionable pesticides by the time its fruiting
05:34 BingoBoingo And starting seeds can swiftly turn into the expensive part of very small scale tomato'ing
05:34 * diana_coman planted cucumbers and the like last year simply for the child to see; not a lot of time spent on it, no
05:35 BingoBoingo Nice
05:35 diana_coman fwiw I have yet to meet someone who cooks for themselves who doesn't consider they cook "very well" (or better); it's when cooking for others that one can really tell whether they are good at it or not
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05:35 BingoBoingo anything come out of the sukes?
05:35 BingoBoingo *cukes?
05:36 diana_coman BingoBoingo, hm?
05:36 BingoBoingo The cucumbers? Were any eaten?
05:36 diana_coman ha ha, of course; kid got them from the plant, washed, ate, what
05:36 BingoBoingo Awesome.
05:38 danielpbarron yes that's true. when scaling up the ratios have to change a little.
05:38 danielpbarron but i have made food for others and they agree it is good
05:39 danielpbarron one of which is in the WoT
05:40 diana_coman good; I'm just a bit surprised of all the emphasis here on ...cooking, lol; granted, I grew up with cooking being just usual everyday thing to do, just like waking up, washing etc but still
05:40 danielpbarron also, i have eaten at every restaurant worth the mention in this state and i can say honestly my food is on par or better than the top three
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05:41 diana_coman and yes, 4 year old child routinely helps in the kitchen too, not a big deal; cutting stuff, mixing dough etc
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05:41 danielpbarron which perhaps says more of the horrible state of restaurants in this area. it shouldn't be the case that i can produce better than the professionals
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05:41 diana_coman I would agree with that, yes
05:48 diana_coman BingoBoingo, the cucumber plant was actually quite a hero: made dozens of cucumbers BUT it grew them to full size/ripened them *one at a time*; not an easy task apparently to make wholesome things even under rather favourable conditions as it were
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07:18 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AA0E14A40E2D0C353FF9EFD8008DE6D88BB77D8EF900D6E1C0A8E319D83C2C6F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 29438546853896140597050345206079 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Charly Avital (Test2) <shavital@mac.com>; '
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09:32 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661582 << this is screamingly irrelevant to modern world -- why the everliving fuck would i want to use wood ?! or to cut it by hand?!!
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09:32 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 05:33 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661461 << boatwright will still require good quality wood, and other things. and making a boat (unless it's viking style, which is no good in ocean) requires ~a lifetime. the limit on the age of sail was early industrial process.
09:33 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661585 << these 'long hard years' people did not have laser cutters, water-jet cutters, ABS plastic & other modern nearly-indestructible (and intrinsically-buoyant ! in some cases) materials
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09:33 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 05:33 mircea_popescu: no man ever made a galleon, you understand, nor a manowar. these are made by 100s of people labouring over long hard years.
09:34 asciilifeform they did not have modern metallurgy, either ( there are metals that will laugh at a thousand years of salt water, e.g. hastelloy )
09:34 asciilifeform all of this -- exists. and it did not, 100 yrs ago.
09:35 asciilifeform hull, for instance, can be from epoxy.
09:41 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661586 << you won't see a plastic boat , or one that is 8m wide, or pykrete, or any of the other technologies eschewed by the veblenists
09:41 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 05:34 mircea_popescu: what man can make with own two hands i have seen, it's a pleasure to ride, it sells for loads of money, but to fuck in the thing you have to be young and she has to be flexible.
09:41 asciilifeform but there is nothing physically impossible about these.
09:48 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661641 <<>> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661462
09:48 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 09:41 danielpbarron: which perhaps says more of the horrible state of restaurants in this area. it shouldn't be the case that i can produce better than the professionals
09:48 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 03:17 asciilifeform: there is ~nothing~ that can remotely hold a candle to craftsmanship-with-your-own-hands-for-your-own-fucking-self
09:50 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661644 << i probably oughta pollard-rho these and be done with it
09:50 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 11:18 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AA0E14A40E2D0C353FF9EFD8008DE6D88BB77D8EF900D6E1C0A8E319D83C2C6F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 29438546853896140597050345206079 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Charly Avital (Test2) <shavital@mac.com>; '
09:51 asciilifeform right now an entire day in the week is reversed for '8ball', and the result is always these, 'make the rubble bounce'
09:51 asciilifeform imho it's a waste ( and it eats entire cpu core at all times also )
09:52 mircea_popescu possibly yeah
09:52 asciilifeform ( incidentally, dontcha wonder what ELSE will break when i pollard-rho and pollard-rhominusone ?! )
09:52 asciilifeform all them folx who skimped on 'test p-1 and q-1'
09:53 mircea_popescu could be interesting.
09:53 mircea_popescu does sound like a better use of resources than further increasing 8ball.
09:53 asciilifeform it's in the pipeline.
09:53 mircea_popescu it's utility is mostly for small (ie, under 10^9 or something) factors imo
09:53 asciilifeform more interestingly,
09:55 asciilifeform there is a variant where you nail large-factored N, where p*q=n and p-1 or q-1 have small factors.
09:56 mircea_popescu sure, complete description of already found vulnerable mods can't hurt.
09:57 asciilifeform theoretically this set will include some (largeprime)*(largeprime) folx.
09:58 asciilifeform who won't be killed in any other way.
09:58 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661592 << not in principle. maybe the reserve is a little high, maybe the concept is too soon ; certainly he can't pay and it's somewhat dubious to explain why he should. but hey, gotta start sometime/somehow/somewhere.
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09:58 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 07:36 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661455 << ahahaha sec! << heheh, think it's a bad idea?
09:59 asciilifeform ( after this, we can plug in gpg-on-winblowsrng and enumerate the set, then bust these... )
09:59 mircea_popescu now THAT would be interesting.
09:59 mircea_popescu debian is one thing. wintel... lolk.
09:59 mircea_popescu i reallty wanna see if each and every eulora player actually gargles water.
10:00 asciilifeform i've been exploring subj as part of the shitoshi question.
10:00 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661594 << no but see, it's more of a trade barrier than anything. the whole point of geting preexisting data was that it'd be faster and cheaper than buying chip ; and since you already have it ...
10:00 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 07:36 mod6: Anyway, for that kinda asking price, i'd figure he could buy a bunch for himself anyway.
10:00 asciilifeform microshit's rng has (as of xp3) 0 hardware component.
10:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform definitely worth running on some of the more ocmmon luser architectures. very likely to discover 65536 wide keyspaces and shit.
10:01 asciilifeform entirely function of something like 700 bytes of userland.
10:02 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661604 << how's houston prostitution go ?
10:02 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 08:07 trinque: finally worth a damn
10:04 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661605 << wtf do i do now. was the line cut in the original also ? or did i actually an' for the first time since this thing exists lost some bits ?
10:04 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 09:09 danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661290 << i can relate (in that I hate this world and everybody in it -- really. everybody. to be alone and sustaining would be heaven), and the answer is the Bible. I'm not saying you should stop doing the great work that you do. but that there is relief in the way you dream of in the world that is to come, if you are made to believe. If God could change my mind on this matter (which he did, i wa
10:04 asciilifeform missing in my log
10:04 asciilifeform it got snipped.
10:05 asciilifeform folx, don't use nonautoslicing irctrons.
10:05 mircea_popescu danielpbarron you gotta have a talk with your client, it's not ok to cut your overlong sentences, must send as multiline.
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10:05 asciilifeform ( the one on crapple, is known offender )
10:05 asciilifeform 'palaver'
10:05 mircea_popescu it's cut everywhere. confirmed.
10:06 mircea_popescu and in other idle chatter : http://kingsandlegends.com/ is actually quite cool. very much what a browser game should be.
10:10 mircea_popescu not to mention, i was some variation of "LordMircea" in pretty much every game I ever played since forever, cuz wtf you gonna do for a nick. eventually, nel mezzo del camin, reality actually alligned, and the fantastic pseudonym became simply descriptive. what can you do.
10:12 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661612 << depends. a pig sty is no one's idea of a good time (well, with exceptions i think we have illustrated in the logs) ; but something like your own orchard is very strictly speaking land improvement, about same value as a pool (larger footprint though). they were used as such by the romans in their estate retreats, there's extant manuals, this is a well documented concept.
10:12 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 09:27 danielpbarron: the way i figure, i'm locked into this undesirable location enough with what technical goods i possess. if it got so bad i couldn't buy proper raw ingredients anymore, i'd be better off moving elsewhere anyway, which i would like to do before such an extreme situation
10:13 mircea_popescu vegetable garden is a lot more fun if you make girls work it naked. i would rate such an item above the orchard.
10:13 mircea_popescu between these two, you've covered the (imo) proper and useful homemade substitution in the food chain. nothing wrong with buying meat from the butcher -- tho it helps immensely if he's an actual butcher, as opposed to an employee of some franchise.
10:16 mircea_popescu this being the major consideration -- i hire a lawyer, i don't retain a law firm. i work with accountants, not with ernst and fucking young. i much prefer to interface with the "criminals" doing actual personal banking for customers (you know, "money laundering" folks, also mentioned in say http://trilema.com/2013/what-the-drug-trade-is-how-the-drug-trade-works-and-why-silk-road-didnt-work-and-didnt-matter/#selection-63.559-6
10:16 mircea_popescu 3.677 ) rather than the idiot banks. and so on and so following, the key imo is to trade with independents rather than corporations.
10:17 mircea_popescu and my idea, somewhat in the vein of http://trilema.com/2017/time-to-get-out-by-the-way/ and more generally bitcoin, is that if you stick to it, corporations wil lwither and die. they're one of those evils which can only breathe for as long as good men do nothing.
10:19 asciilifeform unrelatedly, i have nfi who trb node 208.94.240.42 belongs to, but it's been stuck in the 300,000s for ~ages~
10:19 asciilifeform at least several months, i think
10:20 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661616 << sauce, incidentally, is the killer. don't eat the shop shit, no matter whjat it is. homemade mayo takes five minutes once you learn how to make it ; white sauce is extremely easy to make, if scary ; tomato sauce certainly doable esp if you have a sane electric stovetop. that is ALL the sauces, everything else is combinations.
10:20 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 09:29 danielpbarron: that's true, i could probably do tomato with ease. and I recently got into making my own red sauce so this might be worth considering
10:20 mircea_popescu i do buy worchestershire, in fairness, but that's not properly speaking a sauce.
10:22 asciilifeform in other lulz, in greece, https://archive.is/lLLfT >> '...the tax authorities will be able to issue online confiscation notices and immediately get their hands on the contents of safe deposit boxes, confiscating cash, precious stones, jewelry and so on. They will also be able to confiscate shares and other securities.'
10:22 mircea_popescu whereas all prepackaged sauce is the same endless variation of "let's see which ways we could flavour margarine / substitutes"
10:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform lel.
10:22 asciilifeform this in re 'what happens when you use banks'
10:22 mircea_popescu venezueece.
10:23 mircea_popescu eh, i've yet to meet a greek that used their banks.
10:23 mircea_popescu maybe i don't get out enough.
10:23 asciilifeform for all i know, it's the american expats, who do it
10:23 asciilifeform there are idiots anywhere.
10:24 mircea_popescu prolly. or russian.
10:25 mircea_popescu though from experience russians a) never go alone (unless female, in which case they dun keep the money there anyway, if they ever get it) ; b) sorta delegate one to keep the dough.
10:25 mircea_popescu basically, the russians are jews.
10:25 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661628 << ahahaah this is true innit.
10:25 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 09:35 diana_coman: fwiw I have yet to meet someone who cooks for themselves who doesn't consider they cook "very well" (or better); it's when cooking for others that one can really tell whether they are good at it or not
10:27 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661640 << are you kidding me, i loved to fuck around the kitchen with my mom at that age. made all sorts of engineer pies, too!
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10:27 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 09:41 diana_coman: and yes, 4 year old child routinely helps in the kitchen too, not a big deal; cutting stuff, mixing dough etc
10:28 mircea_popescu i suspect it should go in the "normal development handbook", 4-5 yo with no interest in mother kitchen activities is prolly under 80 iq.
10:28 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661639 << wait, in ~connecticut~ ? they have pretty decent restaurants there, which were the top 3 ?
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10:28 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 09:40 danielpbarron: also, i have eaten at every restaurant worth the mention in this state and i can say honestly my food is on par or better than the top three
10:29 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661643 << that's how they do it, like sicilians marry off the daughters.
10:29 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 09:48 diana_coman: BingoBoingo, the cucumber plant was actually quite a hero: made dozens of cucumbers BUT it grew them to full size/ripened them *one at a time*; not an easy task apparently to make wholesome things even under rather favourable conditions as it were
10:30 jurov *sigh* i keep getting calls from an UK number, as far as I understand, he's asking something about coinbr, when I ask them to come to irc/email he just says thank you. can't even fucking text, and not possible to call back
10:33 mircea_popescu weird.
10:35 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661645 << because a) wood is still, to this day, the better material for the purpose, in the sense lee sedol is the better go player. note that these WERE YOUR OWN CONSTRAINTS! you despise "made to rust iron bottoms", which is outright idiotic but in the common vein of "alf has no clue but figures he can have oppinion". you do not wish to pay the price of industrial process. you stirctly spe
10:35 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 13:32 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661582 << this is screamingly irrelevant to modern world -- why the everliving fuck would i want to use wood ?! or to cut it by hand?!!
10:35 mircea_popescu raking said "i will use nothing but wood" yourself, as such.
10:36 mircea_popescu and because b) everything else is harder to work with.
10:36 mircea_popescu gotta decide if your idea is "nothing can beat self-same craftsmanship and i am willing to sink in the time" OR "i will sink in no time, give me whatever trhe fuck it is that takes no time and effort".
10:37 mircea_popescu you can't have both of these at the same time, and duck behind one or the other depending which vein of solutions for your entirely psychogenic issue masquerading orally as a "technical problem" are being suggested.
10:37 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661725 <- ofc he loves it; I suspect it's more about having a mother who ...cooks, you know; and in general the interest thing is really more like interest in ~anything close adult does
10:37 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 14:27 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661640 << are you kidding me, i loved to fuck around the kitchen with my mom at that age. made all sorts of engineer pies, too!
10:38 mircea_popescu diana_coman yup. also in the strange properties of materials. i once spent a half hour pouring water from one reciipeint to another.
10:38 mircea_popescu i think i was about 4.
10:39 diana_coman oooh, yeah, did that playing with water and ~all pots and pans and anything else we could find, yeah; and he plays a LOT with water & ice, pouring&smashing etc
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10:39 mircea_popescu good, let him do it, that's one mess actually worth cleaning up.
10:39 diana_coman not even a mess, he's good with it : on top of bath tub
10:39 diana_coman he hates mess, lol
10:40 mircea_popescu lol sounds like you got a Framedragger in your hands.
10:40 diana_coman lol! neah, he's just... rather strict
10:40 mircea_popescu are you encoraging teh tendency ?
10:41 diana_coman no, not at all
10:41 diana_coman but he is what he is and it's not as if I don't know the thing
10:41 * mircea_popescu is entirely undecided whether it's good or bad trait.
10:41 diana_coman quite on the contrary really - I rather push so that he sees alternatives are also *possible and fine*
10:42 diana_coman not against it as such, but as ...alternative; not the end of the world etc
10:42 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661647 << neither do you. for that matter, these are not actually useful for craftsman ; they are useful for mass producer.
10:42 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 13:33 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661585 << these 'long hard years' people did not have laser cutters, water-jet cutters, ABS plastic & other modern nearly-indestructible (and intrinsically-buoyant ! in some cases) materials
10:42 mircea_popescu diana_coman a yeah, makes sense.
10:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the places where craftsmanship makes sense are eg the tomato planters discussed above. yes they have tractors that plow, but these tractors do not plow planters. EXACT same principle applies making boats -- or for that matter silicone. you somehow seem to understand that if you want "artisanal computer" the correct approach is mechanical calculator ; and if you want oceanworth computer gotta have the foundry, ra
10:44 mircea_popescu ther than some bits and pieces of a foundry installed in your kitchen.
10:44 mircea_popescu boats are exactly thje same, which is why my http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661584 comment.
10:44 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 05:33 mircea_popescu: basically you picked the simplest one thing that dun work.
10:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i can get plastic panels from foundry.
10:51 mircea_popescu as a substitute of drywall.
10:51 mircea_popescu they're not rated for the fucking ocean.
10:51 asciilifeform as substitute for idiot veblenwood.
10:52 asciilifeform abs is ~indestructible.
10:52 mircea_popescu plastic IS used in boatsmaking, but it is specially made plastic, for the purpose.
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10:52 asciilifeform as for epoxy, it is same one as in everybody's toolbox.
10:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform problem is not how destructibvle it is, problem is that it's ~unjoinable. plastic boarts are generaslly whole hull.
10:52 asciilifeform join with epoxy.
10:52 mircea_popescu glhf.
10:52 asciilifeform can buy by the tonne.
10:53 mircea_popescu one day i want to see your "plain glass lenses cemented with cyanoacrylate -- it's transparent!!1" collection of telescopes.
10:53 mircea_popescu i bet it shows one hell of an astronomical world.
10:53 asciilifeform aaactually
10:54 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-13#1655405 <<
10:54 a111 Logged on 2017-05-13 22:02 asciilifeform: and holyfuq, the norland thing took almost hour of uv to cure, vs the advertised 10sec
10:56 asciilifeform point is, i can and do routinely make, with own hands, items otherwise thought to be 'megabux, megawatt' ( per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615434 )
10:56 a111 Logged on 2017-02-19 03:54 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron)
10:57 asciilifeform all you gotta do is to piss on 'best practice'.
10:57 mircea_popescu there's no argument against that ; nor is there any argument against the principle.
10:57 mircea_popescu but just because you're the prince of alflandia does not mean you can simply walk into an unknown barrio and talk smack at the locals.
10:57 mircea_popescu which is what you're doing. you wanna go there, go there. intel, muscle, the works.
10:57 asciilifeform at the veblenwood folx? yes i can.
10:58 mircea_popescu no, at the "boat making" folks.
10:58 asciilifeform they're ridiculous.
10:58 asciilifeform golden toilet people.
10:58 mircea_popescu i have nfi what veblenwood is supposed to be, nor is it part of this conversation.
10:58 asciilifeform the wood that a proper boat supposedly 'must' be made of.
10:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you'll need more basis for that besides "i'm alf and i dun like it". the ocean's been there longer than you have.
10:58 asciilifeform instead of abs.
10:59 mircea_popescu how did you pick abs rather than i dunno, duralumin ?
10:59 mircea_popescu this bad habit of having a firm idea of the solution to a problem you don't either understand or bother specifying.
10:59 asciilifeform cuts with laser economically.
10:59 asciilifeform and -- floats.
10:59 asciilifeform unsinkable.
10:59 mircea_popescu oh i see, you're one of those, will build spaceship out of cheese and power with fresh milk because you got a dairy farm ?
11:00 mircea_popescu vorwarts, soviet!
11:00 jurov why they don't build houses with plastic sheets and epoxy, then?
11:00 mircea_popescu jurov or girlfriends.
11:00 asciilifeform jurov -- i live in a mostly plastic house..
11:00 mircea_popescu and love it.
11:01 mircea_popescu oh wait, you don't love it, but it's cheap.
11:01 mircea_popescu o no wait, it's not cheap either.
11:01 mircea_popescu alfie... you gots a problem here.
11:01 asciilifeform not cheap because lizards pocket the cost diff
11:01 asciilifeform strictly.
11:01 mircea_popescu you mean the same lizards who provide the fire dept services your "house" utterly needs ?
11:02 mircea_popescu tell you what, if boats were made of plastic the MTBS would be a week, and the "lizards" runnin the coast guard would charge you.
11:02 asciilifeform lolneeds, if it ever caught fire, poseidon could not put it out.
11:02 mircea_popescu next one over.
11:02 asciilifeform same.
11:03 mircea_popescu no. this is what fd does in "ourdemocracy" : like in latin empire, demolishes the one on fire to save the ones not yet caught.
11:03 mircea_popescu and they ALSO charge what that cost in rome. ~whole value of house.
11:03 mircea_popescu things work the way they work because that's the way they work not because alien dragons from outer space.
11:03 asciilifeform crypto. QED
11:05 jurov btw, why not just raft from pet bottles?
11:05 asciilifeform jurov: trololol
11:05 mircea_popescu ostensibly doesn't fit a queen bed.
11:05 asciilifeform or keep books dry.
11:05 mircea_popescu though honestly, could also be made of pet bottles, arranged the other way. that'd help buoyancy!
11:05 mircea_popescu asciilifeform get larger pets for books.
11:06 mircea_popescu could build an entire ~sub, nothing but bottles
11:06 mircea_popescu truly unsinkable, also, because so what if you lose a few cells.
11:06 asciilifeform if this is an argument, bottle is a boat
11:06 mircea_popescu this is way the fuck better than anything you came up with so far, and we're not even trying. nor pretending to be keeping a blog about it, a la orlol.
11:07 asciilifeform saying dun make it so.
11:07 mircea_popescu yeah, exactly.
11:07 asciilifeform fact : boat != wood, and din have to cut by hand.
11:08 mircea_popescu eh, again with this. no, boat != wood. boat AS DEFINED BY ALF, however, = wood.
11:08 asciilifeform 'what i say 3 times is true', classic mircea_popescu
11:09 mircea_popescu remember ? you didn't like the correct solution (metal) because... you don't have a cnc mill. and that's a fucking criteria in design now, what the fuck engineer has lying about and perceives underutilized, esp if he happens to thin kit's cvool.
11:09 asciilifeform because rust
11:09 mircea_popescu then you come and whine about all the boost in bitcoin and all the java everywhere. guess what ? they were building alfboatsd
11:09 mircea_popescu abs floats!!1
11:09 asciilifeform aerated.
11:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform because your brain dun work. half the roofs in the world are made of metal, no rust. if you get operated on they'll uyse what, fucking abs tools ? "oh, can cut with laser!11"
11:10 mircea_popescu industrial corrosive contaioners are all metal, from 10 gallon milk jugs to what have you. rust my fucking left food omfg.
11:10 asciilifeform teflonated, mir
11:10 asciilifeform mircea_popescu:
11:10 mircea_popescu hurr durr. buy a teflonating laser.
11:10 mircea_popescu it'll be better for boatbuilding than the plastic cutting item.
11:10 asciilifeform it doesn't hurt to do yer homework
11:11 mircea_popescu dude...
11:11 asciilifeform also i did not specify which laser. point is that it does not take '100 men, for years'
11:11 mircea_popescu what doesn't ?
11:11 asciilifeform boat
11:11 asciilifeform of any reasonable size
11:12 phf afaik they already build boats out of abs (cheap leisure boats, entry level yachts, as well as high end competitive stuff). in all cases it's different abs, and not necessarily stuff you buy from conveyer (stuff you buy from conveyer cracks)
11:12 mircea_popescu the actual yacht which you can actually keep fucktoys on, which costs about 5 to 10 mn, does in point of fact take the labour of a thousand men over their lives. except we got tools to do it faster and cheaper.
11:12 mircea_popescu phf no dude, you gotta do your homework.
11:12 mircea_popescu to qualify in an argument with a fellow who routinely proceeds to idiocy on the level of "metal rusts" and whatnot.
11:14 mircea_popescu and the most bitter fruit of this entire tree of idiocy being that in six months to a year, we'll be right back to "oh, orlol boat and lizzards are keeping the hydrogen engine under wraps".
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11:14 phf i know i know, this thread is extremely frustrating. it's your classic armchair trolling "if i was building my way would totally work" well build then "i don't have time to deal with this stuff, but everyone else is an idiot"
11:14 asciilifeform detension with al rods, ferroconcrete style. no cracks.
11:15 mircea_popescu you can't buy this off the shelf. panels my foot. which is WHY http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661768
11:15 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 14:52 mircea_popescu: plastic IS used in boatsmaking, but it is specially made plastic, for the purpose.
11:16 mircea_popescu and no, you're not going to come off the cuff with something meaningful to say in that converesation, because you have no clue about the design space or the constraints. exactly like i have to tell you how a fucking tractor works to plow a fucking field. and so fucking on.
11:16 asciilifeform has mircea_popescu ever built so much as a dog house with own hands?
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11:18 mircea_popescu no. but i have bought, you understand, BOUGHT boats and land and farms and horses and people and everything else. and i dun fucking like being george costanza, for random idiots to sell me "johnson rods" while fixing my car. so i spent my life essentially building endless lengthy lists of how everything works and why., EVERYTHING.
11:19 mircea_popescu it may not be the end all be all, but if you fail to impress me with your idea, you don't have an idea. absolute minimum bar, the master's eye which fattens the cows.
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11:19 asciilifeform bought, bought, and therefore toilet MUST be gold
11:19 mircea_popescu no. bought and for this purpose i have at least the basic idea of how shit works, and why. because i gotta know why am i paying this much.
11:20 asciilifeform recall story of bauxite ?
11:24 mircea_popescu which one ?
11:24 asciilifeform aluminum going from preciousmetal to dirt
11:24 asciilifeform sometimes 'pay so much' simply because this leap not yet made in $domain.
11:29 mircea_popescu yes, well, the leap in domain was not made by courtiers sitting around going "i bet you could totally use the philosopher\s stone to make aluminum cheap"
11:29 mircea_popescu as i said, the principle of technical improvements isn't at issue here. your miserable discoursive and i'm starting to fear mental habits are.
11:30 asciilifeform how about mircea_popescu's mental habit of believing that the gods themselves made the sea as a toy for the rich,
11:30 asciilifeform and that necessarily znO
11:30 asciilifeform NO plastic devised,
11:30 asciilifeform can change it
11:31 mircea_popescu just consider the sad circumstance that you don't like x because of y property you happen to have heard of ; but you have no clue z has problem p. as a for instance, nobody seems to have ever mentuioned to you that plastic boats have a very fixed "open sea" time. and if you knew what it was you wouldn't like it. which is why rich people still buy wood yachts for pleasure.
11:31 mircea_popescu which is also why whenever the boat is intended to stay unattended in blue water for mn seconds sort of thing, it's always metal.
11:31 mircea_popescu and so on.
11:33 asciilifeform 'maersk' et al are of steel because mass of containers
11:33 asciilifeform not because steel endures in water ( wouldn't for a week, without plastic paint )
11:33 mircea_popescu a boat a certain size has a certain mass. this is not related to anything else.
11:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you're taking a child's view of water. it's not the fucking proofing that's at issue, is structural problems induced by having a force vectror that's substantial, constant, and randomly changing direction. that's why metal excels, it can take random load like that. plastic can't. wood soprt-of can, maybe.
11:34 asciilifeform plastic reinforced with, e.g., al, internally, can
11:34 asciilifeform same as ferroconcrete.
11:37 asciilifeform this however is a political thread : it is not because of mircea_popescu's deep study of plastics, and the strain forces exerted by the sea, that he takes his position, but because This Has Always Been And Therefore Must Always Be .
11:37 mircea_popescu ferroconcrete deals with wind. plastic reinforced in the (expensive!) manner you describe might very well lose adherence because too much variance between the plastic and the spines, you'll end up with it being raked, practicvally. which is the point of the lens cement comment -- you must have VERY CLOSE materials. lest the mix gets warm or something.
11:37 asciilifeform i know this because he did not start out with 'there exists NO suitable plastic, fool' but with vikings and galleons.
11:38 * asciilifeform brb, tea
11:38 mircea_popescu dude i wouldn't give less of a shit, for all i care every two bit social worker case can make a pile of garbage / empty bottles and go sailing into the sunset. what's it to me ?
11:39 mircea_popescu i turn down more invitations to yacht!!! than i accept, by a large margin, and if i go it's cuz the girls and little more. who the fuck in his right mind wants to be on the ocean idly like that. island ++ lawds have mercy.
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12:06 asciilifeform actually i gotta agree with mircea_popescu on this last one, i do not properly grasp why it is popular as a pleasure vehicle
12:07 mircea_popescu cuz the poor man's mating strategy includes a "cop", which wortks by rarity, and an "isolate", which the ocean makes available.
12:07 asciilifeform esp. the diesel type
12:07 asciilifeform hm.
12:08 mircea_popescu "hey, baby, what you doin' sat night ? wanna come to YACHT ?!?!" she's more likely to break her pomodoro dinner date to go on a yacht than vice versa. then it's a "well, i'm horny and there's only one dick here, i guess i like this guy. else i'm a whore. i'm totally not a whore though, so i really like him."
12:08 mircea_popescu thassit.
12:09 asciilifeform why 'poor man's' tho
12:09 asciilifeform not exactly cheapest instrument
12:09 mircea_popescu in all fields, whoever pays rent is the poor man.
12:10 asciilifeform by this arg, chick is 'the rich man', pays 0..
12:10 mircea_popescu every teen female starts life with this mindset, sure.
12:11 mircea_popescu works out in practice as well as it does. anyway -- nothing wrong with poor man's solutions, iuf understood as such and used as part of an actually figured out plan.
12:14 asciilifeform !~later tell BingoBoingo https://archive.is/16ccZ << qntra ?
12:14 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
12:15 BingoBoingo <jurov> why they don't build houses with plastic sheets and epoxy, then? << If alf does PVC or CPVC he can skip the epoxy and go straight to solvent welding!
12:15 mircea_popescu the principal advantage of the garbage raft is that the broken outer cells (and they will break) provide a sort of damming for the inner cells. might be worth money, this.
12:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: why not straight to pykrete.
12:16 jurov BingoBoingo: you mean toluene?
12:16 jurov hempcrete!
12:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform cuz you want to save in linens by keeping the womenz naked which means tropical waters.
12:17 mircea_popescu god help tyou if your makeshift item catches an arctic storm.
12:17 asciilifeform pycrete battleship lasts for months at room temp, unplugged
12:17 asciilifeform ( as was found during the prototype run )
12:17 mircea_popescu oh, you only wanted to sail for months ? i had nfi.
12:17 asciilifeform don't unplug.
12:17 mircea_popescu ...
12:17 asciilifeform now, how many watts it takes to keep the thing solid, asciilifeform does not know
12:17 asciilifeform it will vary with size/shape.
12:18 asciilifeform and sea temp.
12:18 mircea_popescu well, you know the phase heat of water, so...
12:18 asciilifeform pykrete ain't ice though, the sawdust is strong insulator
12:18 mircea_popescu alf will bombard maryland from atop his nuclear pykrete submersible aircraft.
12:18 asciilifeform seadirigible.
12:18 asciilifeform subterrine.
12:18 jurov (*) submersible only once
12:19 mircea_popescu lol
12:19 mircea_popescu subterrine de gascogne!
12:19 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> the wood that a proper boat supposedly 'must' be made of. << There are good reasons for this must. Things grow in water that eat lesser woods. Alternative is PT boat that is going to leach preservative everywhere and then get ate by the sea
12:19 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: inconel foil.
12:19 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo his device wouldn't fucking dare.
12:22 jurov petbottle raft plated with aluminium can foil, yay
12:22 asciilifeform who said aluminum foil ?
12:22 jurov inconel too expensive, no?
12:23 asciilifeform expensive, but not necessarily 'too', if gives the coveted 100year hull.
12:23 asciilifeform there's the good kind of expensive, and the raytheon kind.
12:23 mircea_popescu eh get out, it'll separate, breach and shed.
12:23 BingoBoingo <jurov> BingoBoingo: you mean toluene? << Whatever's in the little containers they sell at every plumbing supply store
12:23 mircea_popescu lol check out where the political discussion was actually to be found. alf wants the elements to enlist in tmsr, help behead empire.
12:24 asciilifeform lol
12:25 jurov let's bikeshed this. does tmsr have a flag to put on the dirigible?
12:25 mircea_popescu notrly ;/
12:25 BingoBoingo Anyways, there's good reason warships are still made with steel. Resists pirate gun.
12:26 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you're missing the point -- maybe there's other people on the ocean you sail on, but on the ocean alf's boat would sail on there's nobody. that's why he's even doing this, to "put distance". this can be had for the asking, because really, world wouldn't fucking dare not satisfy such perfectly reasonable request.
12:26 mircea_popescu also crypto QED so there is that.
12:27 mircea_popescu not like the only fucking reason we even bother with math is that UNLIKE reality, it allows for large empty spaces.
12:27 asciilifeform fact : there is more than one way to engineer. e.g., you can engineer for rich, industrious idiots ('raytheon' style). you can engineer for rich, lazy idiots (yachts from rare woods, with diesel motor). for poor, lazy idiots: 'mass' konsoomer electronics. for poor, industrious, smart folx -- can also engineer. but ~0 precedent to work from.
12:28 mircea_popescu the categories aren't very clearly divided in practice ; and plenty of precedent.
12:28 mircea_popescu why we even have leather shoes, for instance.
12:28 jurov wasn't there plenty of precedent in ostblok?
12:28 jurov like, cars to be finished at home
12:28 mircea_popescu of building badly designed pet projects that didn't work irl but were reported to workl anyway ? o yeah.
12:29 asciilifeform of building items that will still work 100yrs from now when 'west' is a bad memory -- also.
12:29 asciilifeform and jurov laughs at 'car to be finished at home', but asciilifeform is entirely willing to convert 10,000 hrs of sweat into 0rent house.
12:29 asciilifeform if the tech existed.
12:29 mircea_popescu generally this "Finish at home" thing is very much related to fan extraction (as per http://trilema.com/2013/youre-the-guy-who-wasnt-good-enough-to-sling-dope/#selection-73.120-73.157 ) in the sense that only items which are not actually ev are offered in this way.
12:30 mircea_popescu at-home subsidizing. though in modernity that function is mostly covered by the inca.
12:30 BingoBoingo Anyways, it is becoming clear that TMSR.boat prolly ought to be made out of nylon reinforced hydraulic cement with schedule 80 CPV reinforcing frame
12:30 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is only true if offered to sheeple with 0 skills
12:30 BingoBoingo Patch with trowel
12:30 mircea_popescu no. true universally.
12:30 asciilifeform not everything is 'industrializable'.
12:30 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo if ever driven into land -- doubles as house.
12:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform everything that is OFFERED, to all comers, to "make themselves" is, definitionally, industrializable.
12:31 BingoBoingo AHA, Plant flag exert soverign, COLLECT RENT from occupied territory
12:31 asciilifeform it ain't 'to allcomers' though, but to folx with skill and will to assemble the thing.
12:31 asciilifeform ever seen a 'heathkit' ?
12:31 mircea_popescu those are all comers.
12:31 mircea_popescu it doesn't say "all beings" , it says "all comers". they come on their own power, they're comers.
12:32 asciilifeform !~google heathkit
12:32 jhvh1 asciilifeform: Heathkit: <https://www.heathkit.com/>; Shop | heathkit .com: <https://shop.heathkit.com/>; Heathkit - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heathkit>
12:32 mircea_popescu if i don't have to know anything specific about you, it's not a restaurant, it's a diner ; it's not a tailor, it's a pret a porter ; and it's not a skillful product, it's an item that's not worth building.
12:33 asciilifeform lol some modern derp bought the name?!
12:33 asciilifeform '-ev to produce en mass for konsoomers' != 'not worth building'
12:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu of all people oughta grasp this
12:37 asciilifeform a kit build ( and oughta be interpreted broadly, e.g. gentoo entirely counts ) lets folx convert their otherwise not-monetizable spare time, into a product, which in many cases they could never otherwise own
12:37 asciilifeform ( and certainly could not own in the customized form in which they get it )
12:38 asciilifeform think, e.g., 1970s micro comps.
12:39 asciilifeform incidentally pretty good analogy -- a handful of very rich ~and eccentric~ folx had personally-owned pdp8, say; but many in fact thought 'computer is neato, but only good for accounting, i'll buy one for office', just as mircea_popescu immediately went 'yacht is for whoring, wtf, idiot, to think of living in one'
12:42 mircea_popescu yeah, there are exceptions, such as notably "trainer items". you can buy sportscar kits these days for instancer, so rich kids can graduate from getting lego set for 6th birthday to getting a carbox on their 16th. by the time they get it together they have a permit too.
12:42 mircea_popescu but this is just a different kind of -ev, no more.
12:43 asciilifeform it ain't -ev from the pov of the one doing it, tho
12:43 mircea_popescu also, if your spare time is not monetizable you are not a person and don't belong. i don't mean here, i mean living, at all. #1 reason to off self.
12:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it is, yes. same -ev as feeding your pets is.
12:43 mircea_popescu it may be +epv, sure, but ev is ev.
12:44 mircea_popescu and i've yet to meet a rich dude who had kids for which i'd pay to own what he paid to build.
12:44 asciilifeform by same logic, say, mircea_popescu drinking fine whiskey is -ev -- he ain't getting any fatter, martian farmer looking on earthlings as cattle will say 'why this fine specimen is being fed non-nutritive thing'
12:44 mircea_popescu it is.,
12:44 mircea_popescu which is why i don't do consumption-on-credit.
12:46 asciilifeform and yeah sure whatevers, folx who ain't mircea_popescu and can't make thousand btc / hr by farting in spare time, 'don't belong, oughta slice lengthwise!111' sure.
12:46 asciilifeform no thread re rent is complete without this mega-insight.
12:47 mircea_popescu there was no consideration given to amount. the argument was qualitative not quantitative.
12:48 mircea_popescu if you "cant" do anything useful you're ~redditard/wikipedia editor/open source contributor etc. really, no reason to be here, no room for you here, go awya.
12:48 asciilifeform but thread wasn't re 'anything'. was re, say, 10,000 hrs, of asciilifeform -- ain't worth , per market, what a livable boat costs. whereas theoretically could kit build.
12:49 mircea_popescu this theory is how asciilifeform pays wash dc rents, also.
12:50 asciilifeform lol, 'be happy with your stall and hay pile, worthless cattle' ?
12:51 mircea_popescu no. but "x dun work, y theoretically might" is how cattle ends up in ranch.
12:51 mircea_popescu of course it theoretically might. the theory is tailored to the intended audience. "by their lights" it seems to make sense.
12:52 mircea_popescu and note that i didn't "immediately think". you asked me "what would be point of poorman yacht" and i correctly said whoring. rich people use them for sport, but i don't see you racing your concoction. if for no other reason then because regattas are always fulla hopeful hos, and generally very crowded.
12:53 asciilifeform asciilifeform's argument was not that 'plastic is strong enough', entirely possible that suitable materials do not yet exist. but that ~NOBODY is seriously working on the problem at all. ~nothing's been seriously tried.
12:53 asciilifeform as soon as you mention 'regatta' you're dealing with entirely opposing engineering tradeoffs.
12:54 asciilifeform that preclude 'living boat'.
12:54 mircea_popescu how would you know who's working on the problem ?
12:54 asciilifeform i wouldn't. for all i know, mircea_popescu works on it, in his dirigible, and never said a word.
12:54 asciilifeform but -- ~0 public.
12:55 mircea_popescu i'm not, nor do i give a shit. but by some definitions of "public" (ie, i'm lazy, let it come to me) fg is also not public. whereas what people are working on is not really the public's problem anyway.
12:55 asciilifeform fwiw google et al, see it
12:55 mircea_popescu maybe someone somewhere is working on this, maybe they aren't, it's not the sort of question ima decide sitting here.
12:55 asciilifeform not (yet) blackholed.
12:55 asciilifeform ergo public.
12:55 mircea_popescu !~google some cool item with computers and shit
12:55 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: computer desk | Cool shit I want! | Pinterest | The o'jays, Awesome ...: <https://www.pinterest.com/pin/411868328392348642/>; 30 Things To Do When you are Bored and have a Computer: <http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/03/30-things-to-do-when-you-are-bored-and-have-a-computer>; ​The 20 Most WTF Magical Items in Dungeons & Dragons: (1 more message)
12:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform apparently not.
12:56 asciilifeform lol
12:56 asciilifeform hm, while we're at it,
12:56 mircea_popescu well ? not like you're googling them by name wtf.
12:56 asciilifeform !~google FUCKGOATS
12:56 jhvh1 asciilifeform: i fuck goats - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DAr_ezvLRxvE>; RobustPopehatAgenda on Twitter: "If you fuck goats because it ...: <https://twitter.com/popehat/status/833525845046071297%3Flang%3Den>; # fuckgoats hashtag on Twitter: <https://twitter.com/hashtag/fuckgoats>
12:56 asciilifeform lol!!
12:56 mircea_popescu heh
12:56 asciilifeform mircea_popescu is a winner
12:56 asciilifeform apparently it took'em this long, but finally done.
12:57 asciilifeform desaparecido, nacht und nebel.
12:57 asciilifeform !~yandex FUCKGOATS
12:57 jhvh1 asciilifeform: Error: "yandex" is not a valid command.
12:57 asciilifeform hm, can haz?
12:57 mircea_popescu !~google FUCKGOATS TRNG
12:57 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: # trng hashtag on Twitter: <https://twitter.com/hashtag/trng>; No Such Labs (of Phuctor fame) releases hardware TRNG | Crypto: <https://voat.co/v/Crypto/comments/1451328>; ISIS Fighters Roll Across Iraq — Until They See the Peshmerga ...: <https://news.vice.com/article/isis-fighters-roll-across-iraq-until-they-see-the-peshmerga>
12:57 mircea_popescu it's there.
12:57 asciilifeform lol whossat
12:57 asciilifeform aaah
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13:17 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661744 << any kid ever did not do this ?
13:17 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 14:39 diana_coman: oooh, yeah, did that playing with water and ~all pots and pans and anything else we could find, yeah; and he plays a LOT with water & ice, pouring&smashing etc
13:20 jurov http://www.bing.com/search?q=fuckgoats put nosuchlabs at first place
13:20 asciilifeform lol!
13:21 asciilifeform jurov: make sure to try it from a clean browser and previously-unjurov'd ip addr
13:21 mircea_popescu microsoft likes alf, even if alf dun like it back
13:21 asciilifeform evidently!11
13:21 jurov i dont remember using anything microsoft from here
13:22 asciilifeform jurov: bing per se , is the idea
13:22 jurov http://archive.is/cEA1Q 2nd place
13:23 asciilifeform ( incidentally every time i hear about it, i'm a little surprised that it still exists )
13:24 asciilifeform at this point hard to be sure whether jurov sees it in 2nd place because he lives in that ip block
13:24 asciilifeform which previously searched for $relateds, etc
13:24 jurov no, i see it in 1st. archive.is on 2nd
13:24 asciilifeform next you're in a new continent, jurov , try it from hotel terminal
13:24 asciilifeform archive.is is exceptionally poor measure, by this token
13:26 * asciilifeform seen his share of 'customized search results' liquishit
13:27 jurov why? archive.is forwards my cookies or what?
13:27 asciilifeform jurov: no, but fetches megatonnes of tmsr-related linx
13:27 asciilifeform every day
13:27 mircea_popescu jurov actually does request as forwarded from your ip.
13:28 asciilifeform e.g. every time a phuctor hit is in the l0gz
13:28 mircea_popescu that's why iot can even see google in the first place.
13:28 asciilifeform that's an archive.is req.
13:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform dun take my word for it, make page that returns request and archive it.
13:29 asciilifeform actually i have dulap log on dedicated display, and every phuctor hit in l0gz is a hit from same ip, belonging to 'archive'.
13:29 asciilifeform ( rather than to, say, deedbot )
13:30 mircea_popescu mmm
13:36 mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661674 << was thinking there, for those who would want it, a model where guy asks for N bytes of entropy via FG. would generate N bytes. base64 encode the binary entropy file (similar to trb deps), place the sha512 output hash of the base64 decoded file along with the ent & dieharder output in a clearsigned message, then PGP encrypt it to the requester.
13:36 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 13:58 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661592 << not in principle. maybe the reserve is a little high, maybe the concept is too soon ; certainly he can't pay and it's somewhat dubious to explain why he should. but hey, gotta start sometime/somehow/somewhere.
13:37 mircea_popescu might work as a bot service. esp once trinque finishes payments.
13:37 mod6 maybe charge by the byte, or jiggabyte. something. have to figure out what the market is willing to bear as a price tho.
13:37 asciilifeform mod6: and the folx who didn't pay, cannot distill entropy from your ciphertext because ..?
13:37 mircea_popescu i suspect most of the .1 btc you came up with is payment friction, rather than anything else.
13:37 asciilifeform esp. considering that we aren't speaking of cryptographic (noshit!) entropy, but, for, e.g., montecarlo
13:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform they can distill it from their keyboard, if that's what they want.
13:37 mircea_popescu could take the logs and sha them a billion times, whatever.
13:37 asciilifeform no, they get ~same amount as if paid.
13:38 asciilifeform and ~same quality.
13:38 mod6 well, i figured, im not really sure I do this anyway, but lets make a market. i'll say .1, he'll say .0001 and somewhere, we hvae price discovery.
13:38 mircea_popescu not at all.
13:38 mircea_popescu you don't know what stupid shit gpg does to it while encrypting.
13:38 asciilifeform aes.
13:38 mircea_popescu no. gpg.
13:38 mod6 anyway, just throwing it out there.
13:38 mircea_popescu you recall, the item with the sha-1 "fingerprints" etc.
13:38 asciilifeform which is 'whitening' if the starting material is 0000....000 , but doesn't hurt if trng.
13:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this doesn't touch the payload
13:39 mircea_popescu you can not promise gpg is just aes. neither can they.
13:39 asciilifeform the payload is an aes256 of the input, key (irrelevant to this gedankenexperiment) lives in the headers yes
13:39 mircea_popescu iuf thyey want prng, they can has. if they do not, they can has. rest is really not my problem.
13:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: offering trng output for someone to download, for money, or otherwise, is intrinsically promisetronic
13:40 asciilifeform he has no way of determining where or how you came up with it.
13:40 mircea_popescu if they're happy with hash(x) can get entropy right now by curl google.com > sha512sum.
13:40 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and fucking is also intrinsically promisetronic. so what of it ? most of the things we do and enjoy are founded onm promise.
13:41 mircea_popescu mod6 i'd imagine price'd work out to somewthing like double the commercial cost of bw, or somesuch.
13:42 asciilifeform while we're on subj, i'll say that there is probably a good reason why most commercial faux-rng makers don't offer a sample download.
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13:43 mircea_popescu maybe so.
13:45 mircea_popescu 7393bd23794cf8175da5d2dd3f3bb47a7c340bf20cc6ef1f5dd871204119d86988e37b0e32c9b7665a05bd3912a8f83f3bebe3c2c7fc20ff177219ef35c47c25 << random number based on curl http://btcbase.org/log/ | sha512sum ; as primo as it gets!
13:45 asciilifeform lol bitcorrelated
13:45 mircea_popescu awww. AES!!1
13:45 asciilifeform not so aes
13:45 asciilifeform there are gradations of idiocy. merely re-arranging the bits does not induce correlation.
13:45 asciilifeform where previously there was none.
13:46 asciilifeform think, destructive vs nondestructive transform.
13:46 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> mod6 i'd imagine price'd work out to somewthing like double the commercial cost of bw, or somesuch. << sure, something. > than 0 tho.
13:46 asciilifeform neither will create entropy from thin air. but one destroys, other -- not
13:46 shinohai Afternoon. mod6 o/
13:46 mod6 and as far as "sample" perhaps that's not how it works. maybe like via trinque's thing or something. but i agree, there is some sort of model here.
13:46 mod6 hi shinohai!
13:47 asciilifeform mod6: whichever model you go with, beggars are probably not the target market
13:47 asciilifeform i dun think anyone ever got rich, by pitching to'em
13:47 asciilifeform ( though i'm prepared to hear from mircea_popescu how even this, is not so )
13:48 mod6 i can't know who would want this, but i'd imagine i wouldn't discriminate on who would want it. just as long as they PAY.
13:48 mod6 there is a bar to entry. the bar is N btc high.
13:49 mircea_popescu might be a market in "Certified entropy" simply because of how bureaucracy works.
13:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: iirc we had thread, las vegas runs 100% on usg-supplied prng (yes, prng) boxes, welded shut
13:51 mircea_popescu kinda how this works. by the timpe peopple pay bots here for rng, we're simply owning the world and no more. which is why i said maybe premature.
13:51 asciilifeform on the other, historic end of things, we have the infamous https://www.rand.org/pubs/monograph_reports/MR1418/index2.html
13:51 mod6 fair enough
13:51 asciilifeform 'A Million Random Digits with 100,000 Normal Deviates' (dead tree!)
13:51 mircea_popescu apparently worth 20 bux / mb or w/e
13:52 trinque asciilifeform: in re beggers and target market, folks did get rich owning the world, as mircea_popescu said
13:52 mircea_popescu pretty much only reliable way.
13:52 * trinque putting a great deal of thought into the payment thing precisely because that sort of side channel is likely to be the unwashed masses way to pay, forevermore
13:53 asciilifeform trinque: elaborate plox
13:53 mircea_popescu likely. that , eu coppers, etcetera.
13:53 trinque thread's been had a couple times, ^
13:53 asciilifeform link?
13:53 mod6 yeah, could even be an eulora auction daily
13:53 trinque lords move gold and peons move digits in db
13:54 mircea_popescu mod6 i can't imagine lobbes 's have any issue lending the bot, once this is all in place.
13:54 mircea_popescu it's what it's for after all.
13:54 mod6 i actually looked at it lastnight to see if I could start my own auction for this exactly.
13:54 mircea_popescu sure you can
13:54 mircea_popescu (auction <opening bid (coppers)> <duration (hours)> <item/lot>) -- e.g. !Qauction 3,5mn 2 57 IMP CH, d 32197 ea
13:55 mod6 put up 1.5Gb of entropy... start the bidding at say 1mn ecu
13:55 mod6 or 10mn whatever.
13:55 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-10#1539113 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-10#1539116 loller
13:55 a111 Logged on 2016-09-10 03:53 trinque: there was another thread where it was discussed that the common person would merely operate out of an account held by his lord, and everyone bobbled heads at that because the framing felt good.
13:55 a111 Logged on 2016-09-10 03:53 mircea_popescu: well if it's discussed with slavegirls and a great pink fuzzy harem with soft velvety marbles and foggy complex pools... then yes@
13:55 trinque can't find original, just a ref
13:55 trinque this though seems in line with the fact that not everyone owns his own ass.
13:55 mircea_popescu original is likely the trilema piece about "Future of bitcoin", predicting how people are going to do the most stuipid thing, and explaining how it's not for fucking sneakers.
13:55 trinque aha, undoutably trilema first
13:56 mod6 and ask like that might never catch a bid, but market will meet somewhere, will sell into highest bids, etc.
13:56 asciilifeform mod6: pretty easy to undercut to death tho
13:56 * mircea_popescu is vaguely amused at how wanna-be ronin slavegirl imagines "there's a lo of cryptocurrencies now". ie, there's n oconspiracy needed, the poor idiots will simply HALLUCINATE the poor idiot world. be it there or not.
13:56 mod6 yup. indeed. there are many fgs, and lots of enterprising people out there.
13:57 trinque mircea_popescu: important point that, otherwise folks run around thinking bitcoin will fix all the social problems by itself.
13:57 asciilifeform mod6: so only question of time before price goes to 0 and stays there permanently.
13:57 trinque teh "anarchocapitalist" fucktards and so on.
13:57 asciilifeform rather like 'price of porn'
13:57 mircea_popescu maybe. though this would be more like "price of lap dance". which is not 0.
13:58 mod6 food for thought.
13:58 asciilifeform lap dance works on 1 lap at a time
13:58 mod6 but it's crossed my mind a number of times since i started testing these things.
13:58 asciilifeform montecarlo-grade rng bits -- inf.
13:58 mircea_popescu so does signed and encrypted rng sample.
13:59 mircea_popescu if they share them or not... hey, they don't share fucking textbooks.
13:59 asciilifeform separate q.
13:59 mircea_popescu point remains, you can watch some guy gettiung a lapdance for free. same here, won't have your name on it, that's all.
14:00 asciilifeform anyone recall the ancient 'pgp key generating service' ?
14:00 * shinohai staring at teaser tits ..... "I'd like to buy your most expensive bottle of champagne"
14:00 asciilifeform 'wallet inspector'
14:00 asciilifeform the value of promisetronically engraved 'your name on it' is ~0.
14:00 shinohai asciilifeform: igolder used to do that I think.
14:02 shinohai https://www.igolder.com/PGP/generate-key/
14:02 asciilifeform lol!
14:02 trinque heh.
14:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform perceived value is the question.
14:02 mircea_popescu which is why the entire "own the world" item earlier.
14:03 asciilifeform aaah 'perceived values', yes, that's three doors down from asciilifeform . right next to where they make the plastic 'bitcoins' and plastic porches etc.
14:03 asciilifeform can't help, there.
14:03 shinohai That entire site is a lulz farm, and was proffered as the easiest way to do gpg on reddit darknet,makets page
14:03 trinque asciilifeform: how do you square that with other threads where "will someday be rare to own a computer"
14:03 mircea_popescu im sure it is the easiest.
14:03 shinohai Sure, what could possibly go wrong?
14:04 asciilifeform trinque: that was in re industrial collapse
14:04 asciilifeform trinque: fwiw i intend to be quite dead, also can't help.
14:04 mircea_popescu i'm not even sure what this is about. you have some sort of objection to other people platying with the bots or ?
14:05 asciilifeform nope.
14:05 trinque just sounds like it comes from a notion of flat social topology
14:05 asciilifeform but will observe that both sellers of rng bits, and esp. buyers, are a little 'off their rockers' imho.
14:06 mircea_popescu i can conceive that i'd trust x to rng more than i'd trust myself, in some conditions.
14:06 asciilifeform now i'm curious
14:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: elaborate re hypothetical conditions ?
14:06 mircea_popescu i'm somewhere with a laptop.
14:07 mircea_popescu should i need entropy i'd rather wotbuy it than os-"make" it
14:07 mircea_popescu not at 0.1 btc, certainly, but as mod6 points out, not 0 either.
14:07 asciilifeform FG easily fits in sack with laptop neh.
14:08 mircea_popescu if it did fit, it did fit, and if it didn't fit it's not there.
14:08 trinque thread can be generalized to cost-benefit-analysis of establishing trust vs handcrafting
14:08 trinque just like the boat thing
14:08 mircea_popescu quite.
14:09 mircea_popescu and obviously "oh but x could backstab you". yes, he could. and in the process give me proof he did.
14:09 mircea_popescu very manageable risk.
14:09 asciilifeform cryptocompromise as a 'manageable risk' under any scenario is imho lunacy.
14:09 asciilifeform quite conceivably 'proof that he did' will be delivered to your smoking crater, and won't do much good.
14:09 * trinque ranks "I live in an arena where men stand on their names." as only dream
14:09 asciilifeform e.g. admiral yamamoto.
14:09 mircea_popescu rng is not === crypto
14:10 asciilifeform for montecarlo then ?
14:10 mircea_popescu maybe i wanna play some browswer game.
14:10 trinque gotta then have the game, and have people cut down on reputation, and etc
14:10 asciilifeform for game, most folx seem happy with porcelain, prng, rather than platinum, trng, toilet. but hey - who wants, can sell, buy.
14:11 asciilifeform i buy barrels of water. can laugh at it just the same.
14:11 mircea_popescu right.
14:11 mircea_popescu "water -- literally falls from the sky, and he BUYS it." afghan would have a lulz.
14:11 asciilifeform try an' drink what falls from sky here.
14:11 lobbes (+mircea_popescu) mod6 i can't imagine lobbes 's have any issue lending the bot, once this is all in place. << yeah, no issue here. I'd be honored to have genuine entropy traded via bot
14:11 mircea_popescu afghan dun know.
14:13 mircea_popescu anyway. the overarching point is that risk per se is not the problem. unmanageable risk, of the sort that arises in poorly defined situations, is the problem. which is why open source is fundamentally useless, be it in the fdorm of ubuntu, or wikipedia. who do i negrate ?
14:14 mircea_popescu "the whole thing, mp" "yeah well, that happened three seconds in."
14:14 mircea_popescu old царь-государь press law was plain : author, responsible ; if can't be found, editor ; if can't be fouind , owenr ; if can't be found - typograpgher.
14:15 mircea_popescu the principle is solid : the fact that someone from stanford published a shitty piece means THE WHOLE USG is now negrated, if there's not a lower node to negrate.
14:16 asciilifeform there was this one time, however, when great persian царь-государь xerxes, negrated the sea...
14:16 mircea_popescu sure.
14:17 asciilifeform like all other blades, this one worx best when sharp.
14:21 mircea_popescu which is why "open source" is fundamentally useless. the poor idiots trying to hallucinate the poor idiot world where they can't be cut down for being poor idiots.
14:26 mod6 lobbes: cool :]
~ 18 minutes ~
14:44 asciilifeform in other quasi-noose, http://shop.voipdistri.com/Embedded-board-und-Mini-PC-System-bundle/Embedded-Boards-633/Deciso-Netboard-A10-Embedded-Motherboard---BIG-performer--low-power--AMD-next-generation-G-Serie-SOC-Chipset.html << possible 3rd board that worx with sage.
14:44 asciilifeform if anyone gets hold of one & tries -- plz post.
14:44 asciilifeform ^ with dram socket !!
14:44 asciilifeform minus: intel nics.
~ 30 minutes ~
15:15 asciilifeform !!up NoMyName
15:15 deedbot NoMyName voiced for 30 minutes.
15:20 BingoBoingo NoMyName: Who is your daddy and what does he do?
15:22 NoMyName My daddy is dead, but he was a very fine doctor, and taught me the value of knowing things.
15:23 BingoBoingo Ah, sad to hear.
15:23 NoMyName I have seen your name everywhere in the blogs of record. Bingo! Boingo! Are you a person, or a bot?
15:23 BingoBoingo I am a man! I am a newsman!
15:23 NoMyName otay, that was not a bot answer...
15:24 jurov https://www.sony.com/electronics/digital-paper-notepads/dpt-rp1 << iirc asciilifeform wanted e-ink device?
15:24 NoMyName Ok, I know what a lemma is, I have had the occasional quandry, I don't know what the three premises are?
15:24 BingoBoingo But yes, I am indeed not a bot.
15:25 asciilifeform jurov: i have a large collection of various einktrons
15:25 asciilifeform 1650 x 2200 is nothing to write home about, tho
15:26 NoMyName $700 for a pad with one function?
15:26 asciilifeform esp if it has the usual snail refresh
15:26 trinque not a bad resolution for fonts.
15:26 trinque only use I'd have for such a thing
15:26 asciilifeform i already have lcd toys with that res tho
15:27 asciilifeform that work in full colour and <10ms refresh.
15:27 trinque hm, and e-ink?
15:27 asciilifeform i also see 0 mention of os
15:27 asciilifeform now if this were a comp, WITH A KEYBOARD, that ran for month+ on 1 battery charge -- then yes, it'd have a point
15:28 asciilifeform (supposing the comp were gentooable, rather than 'chromebook' etc liquishit)
15:28 asciilifeform 'Digital Paper Application is required for synchronization and document transfer between Digital Paper and PC. USB connection required to install the Digital Paper application on your PC.' << srsly?!
15:28 asciilifeform jurov, why didja link this, it's a turd.
15:29 asciilifeform even 'amazon' does not stoop this low.
15:30 jurov i hoped you say it can be rooted or something
15:30 asciilifeform in all fairness, sony is infamous for this, i had their original prs500
15:30 asciilifeform after it was cracked properly
15:30 asciilifeform jurov: if you get the thing rooted plz lemme know
15:30 asciilifeform i know folx who might like it.
15:33 Framedragger from initial glance looks like (unrooted version) works *just* with pdfs?
15:33 asciilifeform Framedragger: didja read the quoted text ?
15:33 asciilifeform $closedturdapplication is required to sync...
15:33 asciilifeform != 'just works'
15:34 Framedragger aha i guess that's the main uh political bottleneck
15:34 Framedragger myeah.
15:34 asciilifeform for starters.
15:37 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/05/media-attacks-montana-candidate-for-defending-self-against-physical-assault-by-goon/ << Qntra - Media Attacks Montana Candidate For Defending Self Against Physical Assault By Goon
15:37 BingoBoingo ^ 4 alf
15:37 asciilifeform neato BingoBoingo
15:39 BingoBoingo In other news negrodamus finished sync experiment a few days ago for a roughly 6 month sync time in the wild with spinning rust. Is at present mostly keeping up (i.e. 3 blocks behind atm)
15:40 jurov i had and experiment too, in 3 months went up to 420k blocks, but found out the cheapo ssd failed
15:41 jurov total_lba_writen about 40T
15:41 asciilifeform jurov: what make of ssd was it ?
15:41 jurov patriot spark 256g
15:43 jurov waiting in warranty claim atm
15:54 Framedragger on facebook archiving: http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/3086
15:55 Framedragger (jason scott)
15:59 asciilifeform ACHTUNG, panzers! http://nosuchlabs.com updated .
16:00 asciilifeform this is not intended to rain on mod6 et al's parade, but rather in re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1662086 .
16:00 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 17:42 asciilifeform: while we're on subj, i'll say that there is probably a good reason why most commercial faux-rng makers don't offer a sample download.
16:01 asciilifeform honest rng maker has 0 to be afraid of from posting arbitrarily large sample.
16:03 asciilifeform http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/nosuchlabs_FG_1024MB_phreesample.txt , http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/nosuchlabs_FG_1024MB_phreesample.bin .
16:06 Framedragger oooh nice. /me yet to generate 1gb+ of entropy, will post when that's done
16:08 trinque imma just xor all your posts together for the rest of my life.
16:08 trinque I like to live dangerously
16:10 Framedragger "still better than urandom"
16:11 trinque heh probably so.
16:14 jurov idea: what about providing fuckgoat output in realtime, as tcp stream. maybe i'll do when i get some
16:16 asciilifeform jurov: not a bad idea. and maybe you'll even discover some zeroblockpadding bug, a la the dd thing
16:16 jurov um...signing that would be problematic, then
16:16 asciilifeform in tcp
16:17 asciilifeform you could buffer it and sign parcels prior to transmission
16:17 asciilifeform ( or after, whichever. )
16:23 Framedragger i guess no way to use luby code or equivalent on tcp huh
~ 28 minutes ~
16:51 asciilifeform what would that do, Framedragger ?
17:02 mod6 <+asciilifeform> ACHTUNG, panzers! http://nosuchlabs.com updated . << lol
17:08 Framedragger asciilifeform: on second thought, i didn't have an idea in mind. i just thought "huh, how to have continuous/streaming verification of data, i.e. not have to send data in signed *chunks* (if want to have verified/signed data)"
17:09 Framedragger (but that's not even luby codes, right)
17:09 asciilifeform Framedragger: i know of no such algo
17:09 asciilifeform and suspect that it cannot exist.
17:10 Framedragger right :(
~ 22 minutes ~
17:32 Framedragger https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-24/ecb-warns-of-dangers-of-ripple-effect-from-house-price-boom 2008 called! "Exuberant house price developments in certain regions could, in principle, threaten the stability of financial institutions with mortgage exposures concentrated in those regions"
17:32 Framedragger youdontsay!
17:37 mircea_popescu whoa, some lightning strikes the likes of which...
17:37 mircea_popescu i think they took a up down the street
17:39 mircea_popescu took a tree*
17:41 mircea_popescu Framedragger it's just "in principle", aka "only happens to niggers, couldn't happen here, we're pravoslavniks!"
17:45 asciilifeform jurov: the problem posed is quite reminiscent of ye olde 'provably fair casino' thread of '14
17:45 asciilifeform jurov: afaik no solution is known , aside from the familiar 'prng and seed published at the end of the day/week/whichever'
17:46 asciilifeform ( and then you're stuck with a prng, with the attendant consequences )
17:47 asciilifeform the reproducible ~t~rng is a contradiction in terms.
17:47 asciilifeform ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-24#1661136 is probably as close as anybody could hope to get, to it )
17:47 a111 Logged on 2017-05-24 22:16 asciilifeform: previously i thought that you could not have an auditable single-crystal rng, but possibly this is not so : if you make it so that only co-incident (on 2 detectors) gamma is picked up, you can 'yoke'-audit 2 units by placing back to back around test source.
17:48 asciilifeform 'Facebook is the third of what is probably a quartet (or quintet) of the destruction of the innocence of computing. First was viruses, second was malware, third is facebook. I suspect fourth will be related to control of networking itself, and fifth will be licensing of high level computer ability. But let’s not get ahead of ourselves.' << mega-lulzy, ty Framedragger
17:48 mircea_popescu except that if is nonsense.
17:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: expand?
17:49 mircea_popescu " only co-incident (on 2 detectors) gamma is picked up" requires i break fundamental qm.
17:49 asciilifeform not necessarily
17:49 asciilifeform gamma photon can set off 2 detectors, one after the other
17:49 mircea_popescu really ?
17:50 asciilifeform like nazi bullet
17:50 mircea_popescu and how do you know if it did ?
17:50 asciilifeform ( where famously tie-two-jews-together-to-use-1bullet )
17:50 mircea_popescu if it interacts, it changes. after it set one, no longer same gamma photon.
17:50 asciilifeform you know because they're X/c apart
17:50 mircea_popescu lol.
17:50 asciilifeform now i keep waiting for mircea_popescu to say 'you would use beta decay, fool'
17:51 mircea_popescu this is almost better than the nuclear pykrete submersible aircraft.
17:51 asciilifeform because you actually ~do~ get 2 geometrically opposite emissions
17:51 asciilifeform and i actually had this device, and used every day, at one time
17:51 asciilifeform commercial scintillation counter
17:51 mircea_popescu you will... know because you measure the distance, and because no masking epiphenomena may exist ? really ? because your clocks work so well that they can be used against photons themselves, and calipers ditto ?
17:51 asciilifeform with 2 opposite photomultiplier tubes
17:51 asciilifeform fughet the gamma.
17:51 mircea_popescu YOU SAID GAMMA.
17:52 asciilifeform aite, if mircea_popescu insists, it can be made to work with gamma. and yes, clock is sufficiently repeatable. visit gun shop, get laser distance meter.
17:52 asciilifeform works on this principle, does not need mega-clock.
17:52 asciilifeform analogue.
17:52 * mircea_popescu shrugs. go right ahead.
17:52 asciilifeform or visit spy shop and get the laser microfone, same idea.
17:53 asciilifeform but yes, you would want to do it with beta decay.
17:53 mircea_popescu you wouldn't want to do it again. this is a cosmo kramer idea.
17:53 mircea_popescu s/again/at all/.
17:53 asciilifeform http://departments.agri.huji.ac.il/zabam/myimages/coincidence.jpg
17:54 asciilifeform ^ commercial gadget, made for 40+ yrs
17:54 asciilifeform http://departments.agri.huji.ac.il/zabam/myimages/Beta-Packard.jpg << the type i had
17:54 asciilifeform 0 physical laws broken..
17:55 mircea_popescu "here's something else than what i was talking about doing something else than what i was talking about, therefore."
17:55 asciilifeform it won't work, mircea_popescu , the squid ink
17:55 asciilifeform http://departments.agri.huji.ac.il/zabam/beta.html << likbez for n00bz.
17:55 mircea_popescu mkay, i'm guessing that's enough for a day.
17:55 asciilifeform aite.
18:01 shinohai !~ticker --market all
18:01 jhvh1 shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2477.26, vol: 32244.22691818 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2390.45, vol: 25617.11116 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2466.0, vol: 49595.5512034 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2651.086256, vol: 32000.83330000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2494.596, vol: 13771.1618584 | Volume-weighted last average: 2496.96290776
18:02 asciilifeform but meanwhile, in ben_vulpesistan, it neversleeps!, https://archive.is/DYc5c >> 'The owner of a burrito food cart in Portland has been driven out of business by social justice warriors who accused the two white women who run the business of "cultural appropriation."'
18:03 ben_vulpes "burritogate!"
18:03 mircea_popescu is it still crashing ?
18:03 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: didja see the list of hated business i posted a few days ago?
18:03 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: aha, but had nfi re context
18:03 ben_vulpes the church is maintaining its own hit list now
18:03 asciilifeform which church
18:03 ben_vulpes the church of woke
18:04 asciilifeform lol
18:04 ben_vulpes it's progress you see, they weren't going far enough before
18:04 ben_vulpes you know, the church of progress where you pray, self-flagellate, to eudaly and hardesty et al for wisdom and guidance
18:04 ben_vulpes because you have no god, you athiest, and cannot think for yourself, you american
18:05 mircea_popescu not just the facts anymore ?
18:05 ben_vulpes what facts, we have lived experience
18:05 mircea_popescu ah right, i forgot about that.
18:05 ben_vulpes "can't argue with lived experience!"
18:05 ben_vulpes you were born poor and life sucked for you, quelle surprise
18:05 mircea_popescu right right, because it's irreproducible AND THEREFORTE VALUABLE.
18:05 mircea_popescu how the fuck their thinkers work i have no idea, but probably something with symmetrical scintillations.
18:06 ben_vulpes see also "i don't check my privilege, i /leverage/ it."
18:06 ben_vulpes "how do you leverage privilege?"
18:06 mircea_popescu synnergy something ?
18:06 ben_vulpes "ah see you'd have to be a cis het shitlord for it to make sense."
18:06 ben_vulpes sin-ergy
18:07 ben_vulpes my dark powers come from a lifetime of sin
18:07 mircea_popescu speaking of which, in the dinner date conversation ideas, "who'd win a fight between the greatest douchecanoe and the worst shitlord ???"
18:07 mircea_popescu or did "douchecanoe" fail coinage ? i recall all sorta sheilas pushing it pretty hard a few years back.
18:07 asciilifeform the elephant, naturally
18:07 shinohai !#vulpes
18:07 a111 and i didn't even need to bring any tools!
18:08 ben_vulpes only tool i need in this life i keep between my legs
18:15 asciilifeform !#vulpes
18:15 a111 to fix the UNENDING STREAM of precious bull run
18:15 asciilifeform phf that thing was a work of genius
18:26 asciilifeform !!up gabriel_laddel_p
18:26 deedbot gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
18:27 asciilifeform btw gabriel_laddel_p dontcha have a key ?
18:27 asciilifeform why not use.
18:27 gabriel_laddel_p asciilifeform: yes, but I'm neg-rated by MP so cannot up myself
18:27 asciilifeform !!gettrust gabriel_laddel_p
18:27 deedbot L1: 1, L2: -2 by 2 connections.
18:27 gabriel_laddel_p also hard drive died last night, so have to auth via a systemrescuecd + usb which sorta sucks
18:27 gabriel_laddel_p mod6: the payment is to drive up the value of your shares
18:28 asciilifeform anyway gabriel_laddel_p go to nosuchlabs.com , you will find rng bitz
18:28 gabriel_laddel_p and also to demonstrate that "oh no, FG can't be sold" is in the same bucket as http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381606
18:28 a111 Logged on 2016-01-22 21:56 gabriel_laddel: I found 20 XC6216-2HQ240Cs
18:28 gabriel_laddel_p http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661862 < incidentally ascii, your skill set could make you a lot of money if you
18:28 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 15:19 mircea_popescu: it may not be the end all be all, but if you fail to impress me with your idea, you don't have an idea. absolute minimum bar, the master's eye which fattens the cows.
18:29 asciilifeform if wat
18:29 gabriel_laddel_p would just move to tijuana Mexico and go to some parties, tell people you're a technician / chemist
18:29 asciilifeform lol
18:29 gabriel_laddel_p let em know you can do crypto
18:30 asciilifeform aha lol, they get all the crypto they want from old man julius cesar
18:30 gabriel_laddel_p if the cartel's knew even simple things like "most of our product is chiral" they could sell a lot more
18:30 asciilifeform per http://trilema.com/2014/more-about-caesar-cyphers .
18:30 gabriel_laddel_p d-amphetamine is WAYYY better & an easy sell, but not available on the market
18:31 gabriel_laddel_p asciilifeform: they don't want to end up in jail any more than you do
18:31 asciilifeform aaaactually they like jail fine
18:31 asciilifeform see pretty much all of the mircea_popescu jail threads
18:32 gabriel_laddel_p asciilifeform: stands in direct contradiction to my own experience, but w/e
18:32 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel_p has experience in mexican mafia?!
18:32 asciilifeform whyd'dya quit. i wouldn't quit.
18:33 gabriel_laddel_p asciilifeform: if I had experience with the cartel's I'd be making money in the way described above.
18:33 asciilifeform and srsly, they have nfi that chiral column exists, i am supposed to believe.
18:33 asciilifeform because wat, they don't watch american detective tv ?
18:33 gabriel_laddel_p asciilifeform: go buy some cocaine sometime. or amphetamine of any description
18:34 gabriel_laddel_p you CANNOT buy d-amphetamine, or any of the enantiomers / diastereomers of meth / cocaine.
18:34 gabriel_laddel_p in spite of having radically different effects.
18:34 asciilifeform if you must, separate it yerself ferfuxxsake
18:35 gabriel_laddel_p asciilifeform: most of the people buying have no idea, they just know "white powder makes me feel good"
18:35 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel_p: do you realize that you are becoming somewhat hard to distinguish from the late thestringpuller
18:35 gabriel_laddel_p so you search around the chemical space to find the most potent white powder == sell more
18:36 asciilifeform i'ma leave the white powders to the specialists.
18:36 asciilifeform https://www.sott.net/image/s17/345005/full/powell_un_anthrax.jpg << oblig!
18:38 gabriel_laddel_p fwiw, I'd like to apologize for the spelling errors above. on an apple computer & it spell corrects me / removes text / sends messages I didn't intend to send. Eg, "incidentally ascii" was supposed to be prefaced with "Amen. "
18:40 gabriel_laddel_p Anyways, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661854 < Amen.
18:40 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 15:14 mircea_popescu: and the most bitter fruit of this entire tree of idiocy being that in six months to a year, we'll be right back to "oh, orlol boat and lizzards are keeping the hydrogen engine under wraps".
18:42 * asciilifeform has at this point lost count of the 'fine folx' who offered him 'sure profitz' involving white powders/militias/deathrays across-the-border/across-the-ocean/in-shangri-la/in-shiticonvalley etc etc
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18:43 asciilifeform ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506792 . )
18:43 a111 Logged on 2016-07-20 01:18 asciilifeform: it was a very strange experience, like having a contract killer sent for you who worked his whole life in a slaughterhouse and literally expects you to behave EXACTLY like cow, to simply walk up to where he has the ~stationary~ stun hammer
18:44 ben_vulpes eh, cartels just kidnap and enslave technicians. what employ.
18:44 asciilifeform chechens did.
18:44 asciilifeform pirates also (ship doctor, let go when new one found)
18:45 asciilifeform i could easily think of worse job to be enslaved for.
18:47 shinohai YArgh
18:47 * asciilifeform still finds it interesting that g_l did not ask re the rng sample .
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18:47 asciilifeform possibly at this point there's 7 d00dz using 'his' nick.
18:48 asciilifeform 5 of whom travel in 'white powders' etc.
18:48 mod6 why buy the cow if you get the milk for free?
18:48 asciilifeform possibly because the milk is powdered
18:48 asciilifeform and typhoidal
18:49 asciilifeform and at any rate not particularly fresh.
18:54 asciilifeform also iirc cocaine only comes in L isomer in nature.
18:54 shinohai !~later tell BingoBoingo Saifedean Ammous (The guy ripped apart by diana_coman one Sunday in logs ) is upset that my latest Qntra did not attribute his quote. Please advise how to proceed.
18:54 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
18:57 shinohai !!up gabriel_laddel_p
18:57 deedbot gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
18:57 shinohai !!seen saifedean
18:57 deedbot 2017/04/02 08:26:34 <saifedean> in any case, these only inform the last couple of chapters of the book. the rest is mostly economic history and austrian economics on sound money and its perks & fiat money and its disasters
18:57 gabriel_laddel_p http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1662426 < is it not free sample.bin from nosuchlabs.com?
18:57 a111 Logged on 2017-05-25 22:47 asciilifeform still finds it interesting that g_l did not ask re the rng sample .
18:57 shinohai !!key saifedean
18:57 deedbot Not registered.
18:58 BingoBoingo shinohai: What quote?
18:59 shinohai "A conference sponsored by the Ethereum,1 Dash,2 and Ripple3 scams produces an agreement on how to scale Bitcoin". <<< twas him from twitter
18:59 gabriel_laddel_p asciilifeform: in any case, happy to make a PGPGRAM at whatever point verifying that indeed, it is me using this nick.
19:00 trinque y'know we already have a process for doing just that.
19:00 gabriel_laddel_p trinque: y'know, I'm neg-rated so cannot up myself
19:00 gabriel_laddel_p how it is not 100% obvious I read everything by now...
19:00 gabriel_laddel_p god you people are thick sometimes
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19:17 mircea_popescu shinohai why didn't it attribute ?
19:22 shinohai I think I forgot to add the archive.is to his tweet, article underwent revision before published.
19:22 mircea_popescu ah. so put it in, big deal.
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20:06 shinohai http://qntra.net/2017/05/still-no-consensus-supporting-bitcoin-hardfork-barry-silbert-pretends-otherwise-to-his-peril/#comment-99155
20:07 * shinohai thinks that fixes it, and is sufficient snub to audacity of individual not in wot
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20:38 phf asciilifeform: hey you ever worked with https://dmitripavlov.org/tex/ ?
20:40 asciilifeform phf: nope
20:44 shinohai http://archive.is/woZGL <<< oops
20:45 phf it's the simplest solution i found to typeset cyrillic with plain tex, but i can't get font mapping to work..
20:48 phf tex is like a handful of carefully crafted tools with gb's of liquishit™ on top. "we have this elegant vpatch of a carefully crafted solution" "can i use it?" "lol nobody uses it, we have a modern option with unicode! and lua! and packages! comes as a GIT REPO!111"
20:51 asciilifeform hey, old man knuth is old
20:51 asciilifeform and certainly uses no heathen cyrillic..
20:52 asciilifeform and betcha he ain't touched a stinkin' comp since '92
20:52 phf that i can see
20:52 phf but he does use cyrillic! when he needs to obsessively write correct name for a mathematician in his AoCP references
20:55 asciilifeform phf: i dunno which edition you have, but in mine they are in latinate
20:56 asciilifeform at least vol2, which is what i have in my bed right now and can't be arsed to get up and see 1 and 3
20:56 asciilifeform but betcha they - also
20:57 phf all three of mine are in book boxes (i just moved) but they definitely have cyrillic (as well as all the other friends of the people, e.g. al khwarizmi spelled in arabic, japanese etc.)
20:58 phf i wonder if that's a later update. i have a fairly recent print from early 2000s
21:01 asciilifeform '90s here
21:01 phf oh you know what it is, it's not inline, check the Index and Glossary
21:02 phf for example, Euler, Leonhard should have cyrillic equivalent
21:14 asciilifeform btw phf i also own a ru knuth, somebody at umd threw it out once ( or perhaps died ... )
21:14 asciilifeform pretty good transl i daresay
21:19 phf possibly needed space for "artificial intelligence programming with google apis"
21:31 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/68334C972306604A21A42616FD69FAFAD3F677941098143D6168F83C2D12C6EF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1531...3557 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.252.252.164 (ssh-rsa key from 87.252.252.164 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (leased-line-87-252-252-164.telecom.by. BY HM)
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21:31 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/68334C972306604A21A42616FD69FAFAD3F677941098143D6168F83C2D12C6EF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1384...1929 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.252.252.164 (ssh-rsa key from 87.252.252.164 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (leased-line-87-252-252-164.telecom.by. BY HM)
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21:48 asciilifeform in other unshielded rng, https://www.araneus.fi/products/alea2/en/
21:49 asciilifeform they even offer a faux phuctor! https://www.araneus.fi/kno/
21:49 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F38A3E121539020A6FB8639DF9A5F361CA631D5089C433A35A7CF88C1242BE3D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1695...0203 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '41.169.16.233 (ssh-rsa key from 41.169.16.233 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown ZA)
21:49 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F38A3E121539020A6FB8639DF9A5F361CA631D5089C433A35A7CF88C1242BE3D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1514...6719 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '41.169.16.233 (ssh-rsa key from 41.169.16.233 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown ZA)
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21:49 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/39E71543A1D609A02E29A3CFBFBF41A3F6BCF165017728BD82191D148BCE7999 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1514...6719 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '78.132.137.40 (ssh-rsa key from 78.132.137.40 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (static-137-40.pppoe.tmb.ru. RU TAM)
21:49 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/39E71543A1D609A02E29A3CFBFBF41A3F6BCF165017728BD82191D148BCE7999 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1703...0239 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '78.132.137.40 (ssh-rsa key from 78.132.137.40 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (static-137-40.pppoe.tmb.ru. RU TAM)
21:56 asciilifeform 'One application of the KNO is for testing of random number generators (RNGs). The idea is that it is extremely unlikely that a properly working RNG will generate the same random 128-bit number twice...'
21:56 asciilifeform sounds oddly familiar.
21:58 shinohai The faux phuctor of fi ! >.>
21:59 asciilifeform i admit that i dun quite grasp the logic : what, if usg makes 9,001 of these, the actual phuctor will disappear..?
21:59 asciilifeform the keyz -- unbreak ?
21:59 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A59CB9E134497F26F2EDF3DFEA56640434761F790AF68FAC889D82C8C40F9801 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1714...0583 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '103.6.237.191 (ssh-rsa key from 103.6.237.191 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MY)
21:59 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A59CB9E134497F26F2EDF3DFEA56640434761F790AF68FAC889D82C8C40F9801 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1643...1253 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '103.6.237.191 (ssh-rsa key from 103.6.237.191 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MY)
22:02 phf it's all about controlling the narrative
22:03 mircea_popescu heh.
22:07 mircea_popescu and in other "confusingly weird footage of nevertheless accurate romanian wood civilisation life, tools and etc", https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbRVPP7hoVg
22:08 mircea_popescu (don't pluck live ducks -- you're supposed to wring neck first, steep in boiling water 2nd, then pluck ; don't chase pig around with meat cleaver, you need dagger to cut its jugular first.)
22:11 hanbot i'm pretty sure you're supposed to put things in water *before* you wring them, .ro clearly backwards
22:11 mircea_popescu lol
22:12 shinohai hue
22:24 asciilifeform !!up IamAGirlsoInever
22:24 deedbot IamAGirlsoInever voiced for 30 minutes.
22:26 asciilifeform IamAGirlsoInever: can't resist : ...never what ??
22:27 IamAGirlsoInever Do spam posts get defenstrated or will they appear in the logs?
22:27 asciilifeform everything appears in the logz.
22:27 asciilifeform king and slave and inbetween
22:27 asciilifeform ant and lion.
22:27 IamAGirlsoInever Weird, it killed the nick end apparently, was f*a*r*t of course.
22:28 IamAGirlsoInever ant appears regularly even when they mine a block with one tranny.
22:28 IamAGirlsoInever ok, spam then, don't know what will happen though, prolly get ignored as it should.
22:28 IamAGirlsoInever https://blockchain.info/payment_request?address=16au4MEVdqVzXtkpK96YTavkfSuT7iAruS&amount=25&message=So%20I%20can%20has%20some%20bitcoins
22:29 asciilifeform IamAGirlsoInever: satisfy my curiosity : why should anybody send you coin ?
22:29 asciilifeform give even 1 reason
22:29 IamAGirlsoInever they should not. I'm not offering anything in return.
22:29 asciilifeform at least honest.
22:29 asciilifeform what would you do with coin if you came across some, IamAGirlsoInever ?
22:30 IamAGirlsoInever I am always honestly dishonest. I really can't tell a lie very well, so I just tell the truth and use that to lie.
22:30 asciilifeform so let's hear...
22:30 asciilifeform why would you even want any
22:31 IamAGirlsoInever If I had some coins I would probably use them to attempt to find either cracks or other bugs in reference implementations. I could always just use the testnet, or setup my own.
22:31 asciilifeform y'know you don't need coin for that
22:31 IamAGirlsoInever I'm testing various implementations and social networks as well. Trilema is definetly interesting.
22:32 asciilifeform demonstrate an output of these tests ?
22:32 * shinohai pops popcorn ....
22:32 asciilifeform word 'test' implies a result..
22:32 IamAGirlsoInever Output? GIGO good stuff in, good stuff out.
22:32 asciilifeform link to example of 'good stuff' ?
22:33 IamAGirlsoInever test like science, double blind, use a premise, try to prove a point?
22:33 asciilifeform post. example. of something you tested. and the test result.
22:33 IamAGirlsoInever Link? thebitcoin.foundation vs bitcoin.foundation?
22:33 asciilifeform what trb item have you tested, IamAGirlsoInever ?
22:34 IamAGirlsoInever Oh, a test from way back when, I implemented an XML reader and negelected to cap off recursion, so I tried a file full of <_> commands, just open a short tag.
22:34 asciilifeform what's that got to do with thebitcoin.foundation ?
22:34 IamAGirlsoInever it of course blew my system away, but when I tested against everybody elses readers, their were bad too.
22:35 phf and that's how i became a hacker!
22:35 asciilifeform IamAGirlsoInever: it seems that you have mistook the address. the kindergarten door is three doors down.
22:35 asciilifeform !!down IamAGirlsoInever
22:37 phf asciilifeform: it's all about community building
22:37 asciilifeform i'ma consider that somebody was testing a perlbot.
22:38 asciilifeform ( at this point you could quite easily write a IamAGiraffeAndILikeTesting bot..)
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22:57 mircea_popescu meanwhile in dreamerland, "Join us on "Style Code Live" daily to connect, shop and chat live with fashion designers, beauty experts and celebrities! Discover today's best beauty hacks and the top style secrets!"
22:58 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-26#1662482 << mikrotik, longtime-no-see
22:58 a111 Logged on 2017-05-26 01:49 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F38A3E121539020A6FB8639DF9A5F361CA631D5089C433A35A7CF88C1242BE3D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1514...6719 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '41.169.16.233 (ssh-rsa key from 41.169.16.233 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown ZA)
22:59 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-26#1662477 << ahahahahaha https://inventory.by.undp.org >> 'UNITED NATIONS DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMME'
22:59 a111 Logged on 2017-05-26 01:31 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/68334C972306604A21A42616FD69FAFAD3F677941098143D6168F83C2D12C6EF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1531...3557 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.252.252.164 (ssh-rsa key from 87.252.252.164 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (leased-line-87-252-252-164.telecom.by. BY HM)
22:59 asciilifeform didjaknow
23:00 asciilifeform 'We can save lives in Somalia Our job today is not to just avert the imminent famine, but to keep hope alive.' lol
23:01 asciilifeform dafuq is it doing on belarus isp ?
23:01 asciilifeform and of what, gotta wonder, is the 'inventory'.
23:02 asciilifeform of 'grad' rockets for 'moderate rebels', betcha.
23:16 BingoBoingo You mean "weather rockets" for moderate rebel "meteorology experiments"
23:16 asciilifeform anal rockets, for moderate proctology experiments, who knows
23:17 asciilifeform the login form has the appearance of handwritten html, with no obvious crapolade, which is somewhat unusual.
23:18 asciilifeform ( no js etc )
23:18 asciilifeform a kB or so.
23:18 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/TN8Cx/?raw=true for posterity
23:19 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/9YaUs/?raw=true << css
23:19 BingoBoingo In other surprises, while digging to create point for anchoring tin shed in situ a wild concrete pad was found under shed. For ~15 years of ownership, twas ASSumed that metal shed was simply plopped down onto the dirt.
23:19 asciilifeform 'Common Name (CN) intranet.undp.by
23:19 asciilifeform Organization (O) UNDP Belarus
23:20 asciilifeform Issued On Friday, February 2, 2007 at 6:50:10 AM
23:20 asciilifeform Expires On Saturday, February 2, 2008 at 6:50:10 AM'
23:20 asciilifeform lul.
23:20 asciilifeform cheapskates.
23:24 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: walking on new street not long ago i saw an old tin shed that looked as if it had ~imploded~
23:24 asciilifeform still can't picture what might cause this.
23:24 BingoBoingo Frost heaving is what would case that
23:25 BingoBoingo *cause
23:25 asciilifeform looked exactly like the tin can children put on steam kettle and then into ice water, to watch implode
23:26 asciilifeform perhaps d00d kept a veeery large thermos in there, and broke..
23:26 BingoBoingo What happens is they anchor it to the ground without any consideration for the local frost depth or drainage, and then seasons change
23:26 asciilifeform or a fat pile of CRTs
23:26 asciilifeform nono BingoBoingo , ground-touching part was fine
23:27 asciilifeform roof -- imploded
23:27 BingoBoingo ah, Hit by tree limb? Hamplanet?
23:27 asciilifeform i naively imagine that if tree, it'd have flattened more of it, and would have been thrown out
23:27 asciilifeform but whoknows.
23:28 BingoBoingo Idiot shelving suppoted in middle by hanging from roof?
23:28 asciilifeform could be
23:28 asciilifeform nfi.
23:39 BingoBoingo In other research, OMG A TWO WHEELED TRACTOR!!! https://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-reviews/yamaha/2016-2017-yamaha-tw200-ar171244.html
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23:40 BingoBoingo “Neat little bike, and more fun than a barrel of monkeys to ride, evidenced by the grown men squealing like ten-year-old girls when they grab a fistful of throttle and try to twist it off. That’s something I do not recommend trying right away until you get a feel for it, ’cause the front end needs very little encouragement to come off the ground." << This thing is screaming for a sleeve hitch and moldboard plough
23:40 ben_vulpes https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/25/15690040/imzy-social-network-nicer-reddit-shutdown << die everyone and everything die
23:43 ben_vulpes "free-for-all and sometimes toxic social sites like Reddit"
23:45 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: why not plough by taking off one wheel
23:45 asciilifeform possibly no other mods needed..
23:45 asciilifeform press it down with yer own weight, by... riding
23:46 BingoBoingo Nah, power comes from rear wheel, would have to completely reverse the drivetrain and make front wheel drive
23:47 asciilifeform so remove front wheel
23:48 ben_vulpes oblig: http://rynomotors.com/
23:48 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Then not a plough, but a trencher
23:50 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: 'Volume consumer sales are targeted for late 2015.' lel
23:50 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: That thing is too glossy, has to be vaporware
23:51 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: see asciilifeform's comment
23:51 ben_vulpes when i could muster the shits to get down to "ev summit" or whateverthefuck they called it someone was noodling around on one
23:51 ben_vulpes high grade wankatronium
23:53 asciilifeform what exactly is the point of a vehicle that maxes out at 'speed of runner' ?
23:54 asciilifeform and range of runner, also..
23:55 asciilifeform and it isn't as if the original golden toilet of this genre, 'segway', had not bombed
23:55 asciilifeform why folx so eager to make new, and new
23:56 asciilifeform ( the apotheosis moment of segway was when the chump who bought the co from the original sc4mz0r, finally drove his personal unit off a tall cliff ! )
23:57 ben_vulpes all downhill from there
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