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00:00 shinohai I have faith in you mod6
00:01 asciilifeform mod6: do tell
00:01 * asciilifeform wrestled with it for most of a year, only recently properly broken its will
00:02 mod6 well, i try to compile some simple examples and it talks shit to me
00:04 asciilifeform paste?
00:05 mod6 maybe it's just the example that isn't mean to bean compiled.
00:05 mod6 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bdPh4/?raw=true
00:06 asciilifeform with Sqrt
00:06 asciilifeform where is it?
00:07 asciilifeform says plain as day, file "sqrt.ads" not found
00:07 mod6 thought it might be inherited from Ada.* or whatever? or do i just need to implement my own?
00:07 asciilifeform mno.
00:08 asciilifeform if you copied this from a b00k, it was probably somewhere near this example.
00:08 asciilifeform and incidentally if you ever wonder 'is this in the standard' -- grep.
00:08 mod6 yeah Ada 2012
00:08 asciilifeform grab a copy of the standard & rationale
00:09 asciilifeform ( htm ones )
00:16 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647294 << great lulz , you can do with these. always wanted to, e.g., burn one.
00:16 a111 Logged on 2017-04-22 02:17 mircea_popescu: in other random lulz, i ended up with this pair of very nice 8 carat diamonds and i've been playing with them in the light like a complete down case for the past half hour
00:16 asciilifeform film the burn, also.
00:16 mircea_popescu proof of steak!
00:16 asciilifeform betcha it would set the idiots off, better than the rabbit koran or what was it.
00:17 mircea_popescu you're conflating two separate offenses!
00:17 asciilifeform they merge, like a flying ace's kills.
00:20 shinohai That asciilifeform too would have lost head in French Revolution.
00:21 mircea_popescu soup of kills!
00:21 asciilifeform 'sneeze into the sack' (tm)(r)
00:34 shinohai Let's pseudo encrypt calls too! http://archive.is/IDg84
00:38 asciilifeform red, black, ..., what 'colour' pnoje nao ?
00:38 asciilifeform chartreuse?
00:38 asciilifeform fuchsia?
00:41 shinohai Mauve has the most RAM remember.
00:55 mircea_popescu c is for cookies, that's good enough for me...
00:59 BingoBoingo Back to this Koran bsns... It sure talks about jihad a lot... Have any of these SJW's (i.e. moldylocks the haircunt) actually read the other SJW's (Scary Jihad Warrior's) book?
01:02 ben_vulpes scary jihad warrior my sides
01:06 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: gotta skim through their book. It's basically ad copy for ISIS. Incites feeling that the proper sane foreign policy to handle the middle east is wall building and enticing a greater idiot to occasionally hurl missiles over there when the mohammadeans get aggressive beyond their station.
01:08 ben_vulpes embrace the imminent hairy rape, BingoBoingo
01:09 ben_vulpes if the us could still glass places, perhaps i'd not despise it so
01:09 BingoBoingo I AM THE ONE WHO IS HAIRY.
01:12 ben_vulpes go get 'em tiger
01:12 BingoBoingo !~bash 8
01:12 jhvh1 Last 8 lines bashed and pending publication
01:13 ben_vulpes may your hirstute frame hold the horde at bay
01:13 trinque BingoBoingo: yeah but what they really want is pixar movies about inclusiveness and to behave.
01:16 BingoBoingo I have not seen pixar mentioned yet.
01:17 BingoBoingo But taxes are.
01:18 BingoBoingo As is all of the "nobody could have forseen" that ISIS does
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02:14 BingoBoingo Anyways, that rabbit had to die
02:15 BingoBoingo !~later tell shinohai http://qntra.net/2017/04/shinohais-shitcoin-roundup-xtend-tmr-monero-ring-solution-coinbase-presents-gdax-has-goxlike-phenomenon-and-another-hoaxtoshi/#comment-94914
02:15 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
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02:47 ben_vulpes https://youtu.be/Jgv5ixxgTsQ?t=153 << couple of birds get really surprised around 2:30
02:49 ben_vulpes i gather i should be impressed that the us can hit a ship under full steam with guided ordinance
02:52 ben_vulpes what, this implies it's actually hard?
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03:14 mats and how would ben_vulpes accomplish this without sat or gps guidance?
03:16 mats 'TACTOM' uses an illuminator that appears to require line-of-sight
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08:18 TomServo mod6: Sadly neither. I need to make time to wrap my head around dumpblock.
08:21 asciilifeform in other noose, l. mogosanu ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-28#1633021 ) has new bl0g -- http://thetarpit.org
08:21 a111 Logged on 2017-03-28 05:21 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-28#1632901 << yes, goes by spyked on trilema ; bright undergrad and then grad at the bucharest politechnic (which still is a fine technical school, though it was better pre-democracy).
08:23 shinohai ty BingoBoingo, answered
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08:54 shinohai !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/SxcdT/?raw=true <<< Also, more sfyl
08:54 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
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09:46 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1344E7C727F5952650B021FC146CC7EF579058AC0960D6F17AB3489730870564 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1635...2173 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '183.89.95.42 (ssh-rsa key from 183.89.95.42 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mx-ll-183.89.95-42.dynamic.3bb.co.th. TH)
09:46 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1344E7C727F5952650B021FC146CC7EF579058AC0960D6F17AB3489730870564 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1489...0139 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '183.89.95.42 (ssh-rsa key from 183.89.95.42 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mx-ll-183.89.95-42.dynamic.3bb.co.th. TH)
10:01 Framedragger re the tarpit, ooh a blog written in CL with sane commenting system (yet to be seen, of course) sounds interesting enough
10:01 Framedragger re. http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/05f-two-plus-two.html, heh tbh i expected him to delve into some biazarro scheme which would have a weird additive property (not just an if-then rule), disappoint
10:06 shinohai ^ now that is nice and clean looking.
10:07 asciilifeform i gotta wonder why the d00d ain't here.
10:10 Framedragger maybe he has an allergy, who knows these things
10:18 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647364 << hirsute. wtf is hirstute, like a hir-stitute
10:18 a111 Logged on 2017-04-22 05:13 ben_vulpes: may your hirstute frame hold the horde at bay
10:18 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647378 << pretty sure i was reading that five years ago or somesuch.
10:18 a111 Logged on 2017-04-22 12:21 asciilifeform: in other noose, l. mogosanu ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-28#1633021 ) has new bl0g -- http://thetarpit.org
10:19 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647389 << best i can tell, he suffers from the "maybe i won't have to do any laundry after all" geek disease.
10:19 a111 Logged on 2017-04-22 14:10 Framedragger: maybe he has an allergy, who knows these things
10:21 mircea_popescu if you wait in a closet long enough, a) all problems resolve themselves eventually and b) your real life will start by itself also. because this is something people can do, decide what problems to apply themselves to and when to condescend to call their daily activity by that lofty name of "my life".
10:22 Framedragger yeah... in fairness, he seems to be operating in his own meatwot, not in total isolation.
10:22 Framedragger (but then, maybe that's only the presented impression. there is that closet smell, yeah.)
10:30 mircea_popescu of course he is. everyone ever is.
10:31 mircea_popescu the argument of irrelevancy is not as to isolation. it is as to irrelevancy. if the modernist delusion of "hi i can of myself and by myself choose what problems to apply myself to" rots one's brain, the result isn't necessarily a loner ; but what difference does that make ?
10:32 mircea_popescu you're still applying yourself to the wrong problems.
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10:49 BingoBoingo ty shinohai
10:49 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/04/plastc-crowdfunded-credit-card-of-the-futures-goes-sfyl/ << Qntra - Plastc – Crowdfunded "Credit Card Of The Futures" Goes SFYL
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11:07 Framedragger mircea_popescu: yeah, ic.
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11:39 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/04/terror-in-their-hearts-syrian-refugees-settled-in-north-saint-louis-seek-new-refugee-status-due-to-neighbourhood-violence/ << Qntra - "Terror In Their Hearts" Syrian Refugees Settled In North Saint Louis Seek New Refugee Status Due To Neighbourhood Violence
11:41 BingoBoingo ^ Unlike sweden where refugees terrorize locals, in Saint Louis local terrorize
11:48 asciilifeform qntra down ??
11:49 BingoBoingo slow still
11:50 BingoBoingo much less slow momentarily
11:59 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/rodentrights1.jpg http://www.loper-os.org/pub/rodentrights2.jpg
11:59 BingoBoingo Nice, did that trap in rights one fire? it's a it blurry
12:07 shinohai /http://archive.is/JBLBv "Microsoft wants to bring data and machine intelligence closer together"
12:07 shinohai Good luck with that ya'll
12:07 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: not yet
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12:26 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Have you also considered setting up a shallow bowl full of "mole & gopher peanuts"
12:27 asciilifeform wassat
12:30 asciilifeform ah, rat poison. nope, and it is specifically not what i need here, i have 0 use for dead rodents in walls, between ceilings, had this at old flat and f--- would not do again. they gotta pay for their crimes on designated scaffolds, on designated chopping blocks.
12:35 BingoBoingo ah
12:36 shinohai asciilifeform strikes me as the type that will leave vermin carcass on a pike as a warning to the others ....
12:36 asciilifeform if only this worked.
12:38 asciilifeform ( the airgun film from youtube linked earlier was interesting imho, in re how rodents will happily climb on top of a pile of corpses of their fellows and sit there, chewing whatever snack... )
12:43 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/627AE84B7DF714E0354FE6D5A5DA9B89131AA38BD9D180D47E1A7BB872F121C9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1355...2917 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.254.229.143 (ssh-rsa key from 87.254.229.143 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (143.229.254.87.static.monaco.mc. MC)
12:43 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/627AE84B7DF714E0354FE6D5A5DA9B89131AA38BD9D180D47E1A7BB872F121C9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1471...8473 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.254.229.143 (ssh-rsa key from 87.254.229.143 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (143.229.254.87.static.monaco.mc. MC)
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13:01 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> ( the airgun film from youtube linked earlier was interesting imho, in re how rodents will happily climb on top of a pile of corpses of their fellows and sit there, chewing whatever snack... ) << Pretty sure this is part of the criteria for being rodent
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13:36 mircea_popescu alf takes terrible pictures.
13:40 shinohai Nah, they are artistic photos, meant to capture the melancholy and precarious situation the rodents find themselves in, teetering on the brink of life and death in a cold, unforgiving attic.
13:41 mircea_popescu ah
13:42 ben_vulpes a hir-stitute!
13:43 mircea_popescu lel
13:43 * shinohai wonders if alf's attic would make a better BDSM hangout than that place mircea_popescu mentioned in Disk Less Terminal
13:43 mircea_popescu most attics make fine dungeons.
13:45 ben_vulpes mats: for my education, over how large of an area can a carrier group jam gps?
13:47 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes its amusing to me to see all the usgistani youtube rarararing (a fine example : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vej_aLJpFYo ) deeply rely on satellites. fact : large scale involvement with either russia or china will contain the end of satellites as the very first step.
13:47 mircea_popescu there ISN'T GOING TO BE a gps.
13:47 ben_vulpes that'll be the end of orbital access as well.
13:47 mircea_popescu the russian thing may survive slightly longer because it is a later, better design with some concern shown to this problem ; and because the americans are inept and ineffectual. but it's iffy.
13:48 ben_vulpes once satwar begins, debris is going to knock out *all* birds and make orbit useless until someone decides to burn epic piles of btc cleaning it up.
13:48 mircea_popescu anyway, that's why things like the guided missile yest use direct sighting etc.
13:48 mircea_popescu and that's also why all the expenditure on maps and so on.
13:49 mircea_popescu by and large, if there's a gps there's not a war and vice-versa. they're entirely and without remainder mutually exclusive.
13:49 mircea_popescu but yes, you're right, it also means no more iss etc. though it's unclear what that will do -- currently outer orbit is not exactly friendly anyway.
13:49 ben_vulpes dead reckoning works reasonably well, in that it has an error distribution and one can handle that with volume.
13:50 ben_vulpes open sea not friendly either.
13:52 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647425 << they're from a chinese turret cam
13:52 a111 Logged on 2017-04-22 17:36 mircea_popescu: alf takes terrible pictures.
13:52 asciilifeform 320x200
13:53 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647432 << see l0gz re correct method of jamming gps (hint : from the air, usg spent $maxint on directional noise-subtractor ; and OMFG not from point source )
13:53 a111 Logged on 2017-04-22 17:45 ben_vulpes: mats: for my education, over how large of an area can a carrier group jam gps?
13:54 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647437 << see uncle al's orbital scrubber ( 1000kg ea. of ball bearings and tnt )
13:54 a111 Logged on 2017-04-22 17:48 ben_vulpes: once satwar begins, debris is going to knock out *all* birds and make orbit useless until someone decides to burn epic piles of btc cleaning it up.
13:55 mircea_popescu the correct method of jamming gps is the space age equivalent of the 45 magnum round. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-17#1556262
13:55 a111 Logged on 2016-10-17 05:41 mircea_popescu: so yes, there is ONE possibly useful application of a military railgun : making the deep space interdictor. but this is slight.
13:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha.
13:55 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647439 << modern rocket (incl. winged rocket, e.g. the very same 'tomahawk' ) track terrain.
13:55 a111 Logged on 2017-04-22 17:48 mircea_popescu: and that's also why all the expenditure on maps and so on.
13:56 asciilifeform ( that and whatever rf the enemy is dumb enough to helpfully emit from point source )
13:57 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647441 << the iss imploding would be quite equivalent to 10,001 'head start' kindergartens burning to the ground, with inmates & crew inside
13:57 a111 Logged on 2017-04-22 17:49 mircea_popescu: but yes, you're right, it also means no more iss etc. though it's unclear what that will do -- currently outer orbit is not exactly friendly anyway.
13:57 mircea_popescu soooo ?
13:57 asciilifeform i.e. a massive win for 'maga'
13:57 asciilifeform it's a money furnace with 0 ev.
13:57 mircea_popescu but alf! the humanity! and its "our goals" of cooperation ands etc!
13:57 asciilifeform (rather, -$maxint ev )
13:57 asciilifeform aaaha. rodentrights.
13:58 mircea_popescu anyway, ima be off to talk to hookers. laters.
14:01 asciilifeform ( btw iss doesn't even live in outer orbit. closer to... outer atmosphere. )
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14:21 Framedragger relevant article: http://www.idlewords.com/2005/08/a_rocket_to_nowhere.htm
14:22 Framedragger (worth a read. can argue later. but recommend. but probably known to alf et al.)
14:35 Framedragger (shitty tl;dr: iss is a toy which is nasa's bureaucratic instrument to get constant, predictable budget assignations (consider that iss always has to be crewed). now-defunct space shittle + iss was a perfect self-sustaining devil's pair.)
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14:52 shinohai http://archive.is/U4lDq <<<Unicorn Frappuccino, meet Special Snowflake.
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16:00 mircea_popescu the problem with research is that it's not a reasonable activity from accounting pow.
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16:19 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2017/04/22/how-to-be-tbtf-the-microsoft-way/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - How to be TBTF the Microsoft way.
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17:30 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/rogue-cop/ << Trilema - Rogue Cop
17:44 * asciilifeform misread as 'rogue cpp'
17:45 asciilifeform also BingoBoingo on second thought i disrecommend this type of trap : stiff trigger. ( asciilifeform now has film of vermin happily munching from the traps )
17:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ~100% of iss 'research' is of roughly same grade as 'climate science.'
17:48 asciilifeform liquishit that doesn't pass the laugh test.
17:49 asciilifeform (as described in Framedragger's link. 'why does this box need crew to push a button?' 'BECAUSE! stfu terrorist' 'didn't grass grow in orbit 10,001 times in this identical way?' 'stfu terrorist' etc.
17:49 asciilifeform )
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19:22 phf http://www.stanforddaily.com/2017/02/28/cs-department-updates-introductory-courses/
19:23 phf “adapting to industry shifts and student feedback, the computer science department has implemented various changes to its introductory courses, CS106 and CS107. This spring, a pilot version of CS106A, tentatively called CS106J, will be taught in Javascript instead of Java. Meanwhile, CS106S: “Programming Abstractions and Social Good” is being offered as a standalone class for the first time this winter, encouraging students to consider the s
19:23 phf ocial impact their work can have.
19:26 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1647200 << i like to think of it as an eccentric quirk. every time i notice it, i'm amused at how dumb that parser it
19:26 a111 Logged on 2017-04-21 21:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1647131 << in which we lol at how phf's logtron makes https clickable to 404.
19:26 phf *is
19:30 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647480 << wait that's not a joke? omg. you're all like "are you surprised??", but i honestly didn't think it'd go that low
19:30 a111 Logged on 2017-04-22 23:22 phf: http://www.stanforddaily.com/2017/02/28/cs-department-updates-introductory-courses/
19:32 Framedragger i will claim that for all the free burning-in-hell credits that java has honourably accrued, it is at least somewhat of a programming language. at least you learn what a fucking type is. JS is something like a 24/7 d0pe weed smoking experience in class (unoriginal redundant repetitions are redundant, but still...)
19:33 shinohai If I don't haz to go to class, then I need not know what class is :D
19:34 asciilifeform 'When Roberts came to Stanford in 1990, CS106A was still taught in Pascal, a programming language he described as not “clean.” The department adopted the C language in 1992.'
19:34 Framedragger shinohai: that's the thing, this'd actually be somewhat consistent :D and possibly less of a waste of time
19:34 asciilifeform ahahahaha
19:34 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-15#626237 << see also.
19:34 a111 Logged on 2014-04-15 18:34 asciilifeform: 'we refuse to produce any more C programmers who are a danger to themselves and others.' -- my old dean
19:35 shinohai lel
19:35 Framedragger i actually never got to know what the major issue with pascal was. (i mean, as long as you're teaching imperative programming..)
19:36 asciilifeform Framedragger: that it ain't c/cpp/shitscript/whatever.
19:36 asciilifeform that it isn't 'up to sync with INDUSTRY!!1!!!'
19:36 * Framedragger granted, mostly avoided pascal in high school by way of teachers being tards, so maybe not enough radiation exposure to develop rash
19:36 Framedragger lol ffs.
19:36 asciilifeform ( shocking seekrit!11: pascal grew up and turned into ada in '83 )
19:44 phf pascal is still taught as main language in some european universities including moscow state cs department
19:48 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-18#1645317 << this was an experimental place, after doing more traditional club with table service, which i'm honestly not good at. it was a frat bar, and 3 of us had thursday which typically was really slow night, bar % and door. so we had a chance to build up various gimmicks, and see how they play out. i was good at that. at height the take home was about 2k each, which is way low compared to a club, but really go
19:48 a111 Logged on 2017-04-18 00:06 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-17#1645221 << were you any good at that ?
19:48 phf od for a divy bar. fun stuff when you're 25.
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21:21 mats ben_vulpes: nfi
21:27 mats my understanding is that many systems are used to ensure reliability, like infrared search and track (irst), flir, inertial navigation systems, AESA/APG-81, laser illumination for cooperative engagement
21:28 mats AN/AAQ-40 features combined flir and irst as well as laser designation, and also capable of generating geo coords to support gps-guided weapons systems
21:33 mats the systems described above are used in the f-35, but shipboard versions exist, ie, AN/SPY-1, AN/SPY-3
21:34 mats there's more but i can't remember the acronym
21:38 mats ah, AN/SPG-62
21:48 mats http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-space-idUSKBN17O04E
21:50 mats (cn's first cargo spacecraft, Tianzhou-1, performs autodock with Tiangong-2 spacelab)
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22:11 ben_vulpes well with caveats pursuant to mircea_popescu's critique that gps is not long for this world, gps + dead reckoning
22:12 ben_vulpes the only hard part of gps + rocket is maintaining lock under g's
22:12 ben_vulpes and i'm pretty sure that we did the tightly-coupled gps+imu+kalman filter thread before
22:12 ben_vulpes reliability is important if your birds cost millions to loft
22:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i believe a large part of the iss research is very much in the vein of "mp's private whore spending time in brothel -- she's not there to learn how to make money with her cunt, but to acclimate herself mentally and physically to the taxing environment."
22:27 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647485 << lol, i can see it.
22:27 a111 Logged on 2017-04-22 23:26 phf: *is
22:29 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647496 << had terrible video libs at the time this was all happening (mp's hs cs class was in pascal, for instance). so kids who were bright hated it because couldn't make little amiga-like platformers on their 386s.
22:29 a111 Logged on 2017-04-22 23:35 Framedragger: i actually never got to know what the major issue with pascal was. (i mean, as long as you're teaching imperative programming..)
22:34 mircea_popescu in other lulz, /me is cleaning up mangoes (holy shit it's mango season, you can not imagine) to go into this fabulous mango-pineapple ... not sure how you'd call it in english, "conserve" i guess. eeuropean thing, stiff sweet whole fruit preserve.
22:35 mircea_popescu kitten walks by, i'm like hey, you know this is good for the face ?! proceed to wipe my hands all over her mug. she stumbles to the bathroom flailing about, eyes closed. then five minutes later... "hey her face is really good!"
22:36 mircea_popescu Framedragger how do you say uogiene in british ?
22:42 Framedragger mircea_popescu: hah! well, i don't know any colloquial / actually local words for this other than the (generic boring), you know, "jam".
22:43 Framedragger in .lt you normally also say what kind of uogienė (strawberry, apple, etc.), but i guess that's normal/conventional anyway
22:43 mircea_popescu ya but it's not the same, as evidenced by the fact that as a 10 yo i could eat a proper sized jar of say apricot jam (800g) but barely made it through a small (240g) jar of dulceata de piersici.
22:43 Framedragger how did you come to this, uh, query, if i may ask??
22:43 mircea_popescu which was also my favourite.
22:43 mircea_popescu Framedragger cuz im cookin'.
22:43 Framedragger ahaĄ
22:43 Framedragger !
22:43 Framedragger nice.
22:43 mircea_popescu lol.
22:44 Framedragger ya i usually can't stand british 'jams', it's just ~sugar. which is what britons eat, anyway
22:44 shinohai mircea_popescu: Is dulceata similar in .ro as in es to signify `sweet` ?
22:45 Framedragger (and scottish add deep fried mars bars to the diet)
22:45 * Framedragger sleeps
22:48 * shinohai forgets
22:48 shinohai !~translate ro to es dulceata
22:48 jhvh1 shinohai: mermelada
22:48 shinohai casi
22:49 mircea_popescu shinohai it's this particular preserve with ~whole fruit
22:50 mircea_popescu it's not marmalade in any sense. ro notion of marmalade is, no sugar added, plum generally, if you make it thin it's the basis for alcohol (that's how you make tuica, from distilling fermented thin plum marmalade) and if you make it thick it's a sweet.
22:50 shinohai I have some stuff here called "dulce de fresa" which is basically whole strawberry spread, deliciousness.
22:51 mircea_popescu something like that.
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23:11 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-23#1647521 << we had same class, with ye olde turbopascal also. inline asm did the trick -- whatever graphical effect you want.
23:11 a111 Logged on 2017-04-23 02:29 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647496 << had terrible video libs at the time this was all happening (mp's hs cs class was in pascal, for instance). so kids who were bright hated it because couldn't make little amiga-like platformers on their 386s.
23:12 mircea_popescu meh, if you're goint to do that might as well run c.
23:13 mircea_popescu draw the page as a memory area and flip it into the video buffer zone was the state of the art iirc.
23:13 asciilifeform specifically no. it was really a good (if unintentional) lesson in how to optimize ~properly~ - i.e. the part that actually ~demands~ the massage.
23:13 asciilifeform ( in re 'may as well c' )
23:13 mircea_popescu i know of no one who in practice showed this theory of yours.
23:14 mircea_popescu whereas the "define screensized memory object, do bit toggles on it, flip it into video range" was exemplified by just about any early 90s product, take your pick.
23:14 asciilifeform was addressing the 'may as well write whole proggy in c' strictly.
23:15 asciilifeform how to buffer vga - is not in dispute, no
23:15 mircea_popescu yes but this is not a particularly cogent argument becausae the people writing for the video effects don't particularily care about corectness.
23:15 mircea_popescu in fact, a lot of the issues of software today can be traced to that early "can this machine do nice light blinkers?!?!"
23:16 asciilifeform not wrong, but not the complete story;
23:16 asciilifeform the folx with the blinkers got correctness largely 'for free', and carried on thinking that this could continue
23:16 mircea_popescu there's also that yes.
23:16 asciilifeform and somehow survive, e.g., winblows (and other multiprocess crapolade)
23:17 mircea_popescu it worked at the time specifically because early micros were a lot closer to signal processors than to cpus.
23:18 asciilifeform in the sense that they were ~engineered objects~ rather than piles of fungal liquishit -- yes.
23:19 mircea_popescu no, in the sense that they were less reflexive.
23:19 mircea_popescu none of this "processor watching the processor process" bs.
23:22 asciilifeform the 'reflexive' liquishit is implicit in 'let's let every fungus write programs'
23:23 mircea_popescu possibly. it's certainly implicit in "how can we make this more '''truthful'''" or however you'd put it, truer-er./
23:24 asciilifeform much of the mechanical complexity of 'c machine' is items like tlb cache, and page tables in general, and mechanisms for saving arbitrary state -- to give each process the illusion of independently occupying a 1980s-style 'personal comp'
23:24 mircea_popescu tru
23:25 asciilifeform you can tell that it was a tumour, because it continues to carry on beyond any reasonable scale ('tasking' was not enough, saving all registers on ~every interrupt was not enough, now also need 'vm hypervisor', and now THAT not enough, need meta-hypervisor... etc barfalicious)
23:25 asciilifeform tumour is this thing for which no size is the correct size.
23:25 mircea_popescu imo the exact same drive is behind "let's build ai to make friends" and "let's make use of the higher transistor count to reflexivitize the cpu". it's a sort of triumf des willens all of its own.
23:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's a great definition. it also covers things like molluscs in nature, but whatever, acceptable collateral damage.
23:29 asciilifeform in re mechanisms for 'no amount is enough', see also variant of https://archive.is/b1zBK .
23:29 mircea_popescu lol
23:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu at one point had article where 'there are people who labour under belief that if they could get a big enough house, they will never have to clean it' or how did it go
23:33 mircea_popescu aha.
23:33 mircea_popescu one of the lulzier downtails of "bigger is better" and "better is anything you wish it to be".
23:37 mircea_popescu "a house can be big enough to never need cleaning" follows sylogistically from accepting those premises.
23:37 mircea_popescu thus therefore, capitalism + democracy = houses big enough to not need cleaning.
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