Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans


← 2016-11-30 | 2016-12-02 →
00:01 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo dude i just realised THATS MY RABBIT
00:01 asciilifeform whos else's rabbit could it be.
00:01 mircea_popescu i guess huh
00:01 BingoBoingo lol Did cazalla ship it to you before or after slaughter?
00:02 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo apparently not actually mine ( http://trilema.com/2012/in-atentia-igppa-autodenunt/ ). the tile got me confused.
00:03 asciilifeform looks quite similar .
00:03 BingoBoingo Classic Trilema, why not linked in the lazy libertard series?
00:04 mircea_popescu nfi.
00:09 BingoBoingo Big Corpus problems.
00:10 mircea_popescu gotta be.
00:13 asciilifeform 'I thought that /dev/random (as opposed to /dev/urandom) was already based on entropy from physical noise, as recorded by sensors (I think including mouse, keyboard and temperature). Sounds like they're trying to make a big deal out of addressing a theoretical vulnerability, which is irrelevant in practice.' << glorious
00:15 mircea_popescu lol.
00:17 mircea_popescu what'll those dastardly terrorists think of next!
00:18 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575383 << btw >> http://blackbox.poly.edu/geni/html/login >> 'SeattleGENI is now the Seattle Clearinghouse. New to Seattle? We suggest you first learn about Seattle before using Clearinghouse, a resource sharing website.'
00:18 a111 Logged on 2016-12-01 04:27 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A8567569490690A4A212DEEDF7809300A0F133264CEB4ED07E15261F5F26C5E4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1430...1817 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '128.238.63.50 (ssh-rsa key from 128.238.63.50 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (blackbox.poly.edu. US NY)
00:18 asciilifeform ^ motherland of ben_vulpes ?
00:19 mircea_popescu "learn about seattle" ? this whole "educating" libertard bullshit. it's not a town see, it's a seattle, you gotta "learn about windows" lest you approach it with reasonable expectations and methodologies. o no, you gotta first fuck your head into a seattleshape.
00:19 mircea_popescu nuts.
00:19 asciilifeform seattlification for dummiez!!11
00:20 mircea_popescu how about seattle learns about little fucking old me.
00:23 mircea_popescu and in other shitlord news, http://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/boards/g/img/0577/81/1480568792212.jpg
00:24 asciilifeform http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/06/russia-racist-laser-obama_n_5656732.html << obligatory vintage butthurt re same ^
00:25 mircea_popescu "he's not really a monkey, he's just a sarin gas peddler"
00:25 mircea_popescu sound defense.
00:30 mod6 NoSuchLabs: Congrats!
00:30 asciilifeform ty mod6
00:30 mircea_popescu now buy one!
00:34 mod6 haha, i certainly will. probably wont be order for a day or so... think you'll have enough to meet the demand?
00:34 mod6 *be able to order
00:34 mircea_popescu that all depends on teh demand.
00:34 mircea_popescu but we'll fill the orders in order so.
00:34 mod6 fair enough.
00:34 * asciilifeform has monumentally 0 idea how much demand.
00:37 mircea_popescu " I thought just moving your mouse or doing something on the computer already fills up /dev/random, and it's only a big problem on major servers. Is this not right?" << there's a SHOCKING amount of this. nsa's doing god's work with these people, absolutely.
00:38 asciilifeform nah you fill it up with... piss, y'see. 'tis why serious server has that little flap on top. pop, unzip, fill.
00:39 asciilifeform gotta wonder -- any of these folx ever generate gpg key..?
00:41 mircea_popescu sure, as part of their education at tu berlin.
00:43 asciilifeform aaaa yes
00:48 * asciilifeform switches on... air conditioner
00:48 asciilifeform yes, on dec. 1st.
00:48 mircea_popescu mine's been running all day.
00:48 asciilifeform well yes but.
00:49 mircea_popescu :p
00:49 mircea_popescu theoretically it's 15 celsisus in wash dc ?
00:51 asciilifeform aha
00:51 mircea_popescu wet huh. here too. exactly same temp, but 100% humidity.
00:55 mircea_popescu aaaand... we're sold out on the 1st batch o.O
00:55 davout mircea_popescu asciilifeform congratulations
00:56 mod6 damnit.
00:56 mircea_popescu holy shit that was ... one hour at like 1am
00:56 mircea_popescu anyway. will be building tons so. put your order in we'll get to it.
00:56 mod6 ok. bummed cause i just got the mailing shit all setup
00:57 mircea_popescu sorry mod6 ;/
00:57 mircea_popescu but i promise you you will not be left without k!
00:57 mod6 but will place order tomorrow then proll.y
00:57 mod6 kthx
00:57 mircea_popescu ty davout !
~ 28 minutes ~
01:25 BingoBoingo December is already awesome
01:28 mircea_popescu truth.
01:29 BingoBoingo And thing's only 6 hours old
01:31 mircea_popescu uh. did the blockchain just fork ?!
01:31 mircea_popescu !~bcstats
01:31 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Current Blocks: 441388 | Current Difficulty: 2.818009171931958E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 441503 | Next Difficulty In: 115 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 18 hours, 24 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
01:32 BingoBoingo Maybe?
01:33 mircea_popescu 441386 (Merkle Root c8f8c5889e5d8d61c40f23cbb9b9e60a809c1d516a69834379aa68f7467d8857 Hash 000000000000000002e85349ac1deb78507a9d9a514ba2cd439c1a537c248c56 ) doesn't seem to verify.
01:34 BingoBoingo brb, sleep and panic
01:34 mircea_popescu da fuck is this new wonder.
01:34 mircea_popescu http://mimisbrunnr.cascadianhacker.com/blocks?height=441386 << ben_vulpes 's thing eats it up fine.
01:35 mircea_popescu anyway, i guess BingoBoingo has it. ima see what the girls are up to.
01:35 BingoBoingo !~step3
01:35 jhvh1 3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
01:36 BingoBoingo Also, tits
01:38 danielpbarron !~bible proverbs 3:5
01:38 jhvh1 danielpbarron: [KJV] Proverbs 3:5 :: Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
01:40 mircea_popescu holy shit they broke bitcoin
01:41 mircea_popescu https://blockchain.info/tx/2ca768252bf2db0f9631a90275f8a4580f8d1f4b692da571354e12954e7bd462 << nonstandard subsidy txn
01:45 mircea_popescu bullshit btcc pool "oh we'll be creative and send 2.5 cents to a buncha addresses" psssh.
01:50 mircea_popescu anyway. legacy prb clients need >10 minutes to disentangle that sorta shit fwiw.
~ 1 hours ~
02:50 deedbot http://deedbot.org/bundle-441363.txt
~ 2 hours 29 minutes ~
05:19 thestringpuller court ruled against Coinbase favor. IRS to get 2 years of Bitcoin user records and identities
~ 1 hours 58 minutes ~
07:18 mircea_popescu well at least coinbase did everything to protect its users /s
~ 24 minutes ~
07:43 deedbot http://trilema.com/2016/qntra-sqntr-november-2016-statement/ << Trilema - Qntra (S.QNTR) November 2016 Statement
07:47 mircea_popescu jurov added.
07:56 shinohai !~later tell mod6 V is not including the the privkey vpatch during sync, has it not been added to site yet? (Building the new thing you posted last night)
07:56 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
07:57 mircea_popescu !~bcstats
07:57 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Current Blocks: 441432 | Current Difficulty: 2.818009171931958E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 441503 | Next Difficulty In: 71 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 10 hours, 35 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
07:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i dun see any unusual wedge
07:59 asciilifeform ( though zoolag is blackholed, it is not unusual, sits like this half the time )
08:00 asciilifeform dulap is at 441430 with 18 users
08:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the conclusion is, 2k+ txn blocks took significant time on old clients ; and this made them exceed the 10min magic delay and trip an alert.
08:00 asciilifeform aaaah lul alert
08:00 mircea_popescu last block is 441432 ftr.
08:00 mircea_popescu you're two behind.
08:00 asciilifeform trb is very often 2-7 behind
08:01 mircea_popescu not ben_vulpes' !
08:01 * mircea_popescu is becoming very impressed with mimi's brunhr!
08:02 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/28ED0A651B3CF9434A08A486D6073700042996FE39715688490B8245C1E17A74 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2203...4973 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.88.54.2 (ssh-rsa key from 85.88.54.2 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (server.blanquart.com. BE)
08:02 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A9596A947316B01B3CE306D21FD40C79BB509337CA019E9FA0C3F3B47C42565D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2518...3779 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '65.111.164.90 (ssh-rsa key from 65.111.164.90 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (90-164-111-65.serverpronto.com. US FL)
08:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the final solution, incidentally, is parallel-verify. but we dun have it yet
08:06 mircea_popescu yeah.
08:07 asciilifeform largely because of the 'don't clean the air filter' tale mircea_popescu told asciilifeform et al on the shore in buenos aires
08:08 asciilifeform but also because of the global-locks-everywhere horror in the thing, it is nontrivial to parallelize anything therein.
08:08 mircea_popescu yeah.
08:08 mircea_popescu still a good candidate for the next city's hill.
08:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/RLgFr/?raw=true
08:12 mircea_popescu "Whenever I got a team ready to be really useful, there would be a bizarre negative reaction from all sorts of other people who were employed within the same organizations, but were not part of the teams I was working with. Sometimes this effect was so strong it could become a workplace hazard, and it always grew until the teams themselves were no longer able to function." <<< mediocrity is not a lack of intelligence, it is i
08:12 mircea_popescu ntelligence entirely dedicated to the task of survival.
08:15 jurov S.QNTR distributed.
08:28 asciilifeform what is the source for the quote mircea_popescu ?
08:30 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575316
08:30 a111 Logged on 2016-12-01 01:01 adlai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1575187 << first log appearance for this, led me to http://www.the-programmers-stone.com/about which makes two preposterous claims in one sentence before i've even scrolled down once: "I discovered that (almost) everyone can become a super-programmer, and with a crew of super-programmers, gelled teams form up naturally."
08:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/HPNVT/?raw=true
08:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Z5xFD/?raw=true
08:35 mircea_popescu my mind's eye foresees a time when all comms will consist of this. gossipd over irc!
08:43 asciilifeform http://65.111.164.90/apache2-default/ << lel, 'what shall i do today... oh, i know, build a box with DIDDLED DEBIAN and then leave it running on DEFAULT knobs!111 for years'
08:49 mircea_popescu lol. i guess if anyone needed hosting...
~ 16 minutes ~
09:05 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5A4D0A43B8105A91195E7C706247E4DE8EED21304BD3EAE7A68DD9052BCBF093 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1630...1167 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '161.246.34.121 (ssh-rsa key from 161.246.34.121 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (blue86.crsc.kmitl.ac.th. TH)
~ 16 minutes ~
09:22 asciilifeform King Mongkut's Institute of Technology << lel
~ 19 minutes ~
09:42 asciilifeform https://media.8ch.net/file_store/25dda0c2ebe8121b92b66da5f54a83f9a1b41fa2c22721fde9fa92090d41b18d.png << from last night's heathen pit excursions
~ 36 minutes ~
10:18 jurov deedbot: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20161201/attachment.txt?sha1=3ebec7e118a9f69ad2fe87574a11430a955fae9e
10:19 jurov !!deed http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20161201/attachment.txt?sha1=3ebec7e118a9f69ad2fe87574a11430a955fae9e
10:20 deedbot accepted: 1
10:21 mod6 shinohai: yeah, for now, it's just in the email. you can just grab the attachments and place them where they belong. i'll place them both in the mirror at some point, not too long
10:21 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> https://blockchain.info/tx/2ca768252bf2db0f9631a90275f8a4580f8d1f4b692da571354e12954e7bd462 << nonstandard subsidy txn << motherfuckers.
10:25 mod6 thanks jurov
10:26 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A9596A947316B01B3CE306D21FD40C79BB509337CA019E9FA0C3F3B47C42565D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1405...0513 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '65.111.164.90 (ssh-rsa key from 65.111.164.90 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (90-164-111-65.serverpronto.com. US FL)
10:26 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5A4D0A43B8105A91195E7C706247E4DE8EED21304BD3EAE7A68DD9052BCBF093 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1454...1553 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '161.246.34.121 (ssh-rsa key from 161.246.34.121 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (blue86.crsc.kmitl.ac.th. TH)
10:26 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/28ED0A651B3CF9434A08A486D6073700042996FE39715688490B8245C1E17A74 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1393...3777 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.88.54.2 (ssh-rsa key from 85.88.54.2 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (server.blanquart.com. BE)
10:28 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553299 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575375 << :D :D :D :D
10:28 a111 Logged on 2016-10-05 17:22 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553270 << I would buy an in-WoT RNG yesterday.
10:28 a111 Logged on 2016-12-01 04:11 mircea_popescu: and in other news : http://nosuchlabs.com/ << can now order FUCKGOATS
10:28 trinque WOOOOOOO!
10:29 * trinque will be placing an order soon
10:32 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575516 <<< >>> https://4ic.be >> ' Eusip bvba - Thunderbox.net | Serveman 1.3' >> http://www.thunderbox.net >> wat
10:32 a111 Logged on 2016-12-01 15:26 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/28ED0A651B3CF9434A08A486D6073700042996FE39715688490B8245C1E17A74 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1393...3777 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.88.54.2 (ssh-rsa key from 85.88.54.2 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (server.blanquart.com. BE)
10:33 asciilifeform 'Eusip Bvba is the independent and autonomous company behind the projects RACK66 and former projects as Thunderbox and FragFun. The company was founded in 2003 by Internetpioneers who know the market very well and felt the need for a new kind of concept for services as: hosting, housing, managed services, pre installed servers and online gaming....'
10:33 asciilifeform Internetpioneers!111111111111
10:35 shinohai No worries mod6 ..... the new patch did fine, nice work getting that out so quickly
10:35 asciilifeform http://www.internetsociety.be/portal.php?pagina=isoc_vicechair.htm << related.
~ 16 minutes ~
10:51 asciilifeform unrelated lel, how many folx see 'PLEASE read the instructions !' and then drop something other than pgpgram in the funnel
10:51 asciilifeform (this is a ЕГГОГ and does 0 but shows up in a lulzlog)
10:53 shinohai Maybe they need an rng to generate a key first. >.>
10:53 asciilifeform lel but you don't need a key of your own
10:53 asciilifeform to use the snsa ordertron
10:54 asciilifeform (idiot pgp still needs 256 rng bits for aes session keys, when transmitting, and this is own can of lolworms)
10:55 shinohai I have a whole btctalk thread regarding peoples lack of following simple instructions.
10:55 trinque see: planet earth
10:55 asciilifeform likely there is also certain amount of 'here's a button, what happens if i press'
10:56 trinque asciilifeform: congrats on shipping your first product !
10:56 trinque as No Such Labs anyway.
10:56 asciilifeform trinque: ty. but this is a pre-order, the actual widgets have not left factory yet.
10:57 trinque a ok
10:57 asciilifeform (they are , i am told, being packaged for shipment as we speak )
10:58 mod6 shinohai: the rawtx one or the privkey_tools ?
10:58 shinohai mod6: rawtx patch
10:59 mod6 cool. we'll have to discuss some testing scenarios later today or whatever.
11:00 shinohai Yes I haven't done much with it yet besides verify the bitcoind snarfs blocks and that the flag produces a message
11:11 mod6 thanks!
11:12 mod6 :]
~ 37 minutes ~
11:49 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575340 << buildroot exclusively generates linux binaries, so any bsd build has to be done manually. but fwiw my openbsd patch still works and still produces a working trb
11:49 a111 Logged on 2016-12-01 01:52 mod6: shinohai: well, at one point the one patch we had made that possible, but with buildroot now in the mix, im not sure. would have to be dug into.
11:50 trinque phf: where's that patch at btw?
11:50 asciilifeform buildroot, at least as seen in 'rotor', is not necessary on bsd!! there is no glibc there !! afaik static linking works normally on known bsd
11:51 asciilifeform buildroot as i used it here, was a pill against drepperism
11:51 asciilifeform so as to build static, musltronic binary.
11:51 phf asciilifeform: oh so it doesn't crosscompile? i though buildroot explicitly builds all own gcc and family etc
11:51 asciilifeform on linux. where otherwise it dun go.
11:51 phf trinque: i'm wondering myself :D i thought it's on btcbase, but apparently not
11:51 asciilifeform phf: in principle it ought to work on bsd etc. but will shit out a linux binary, unless you were to fiddle with it rather heavily. but i do not see why to do this.
11:52 asciilifeform is musl necessary on *bsd ?? i have nfi, but did think that bsd's libc were mostly sane
11:52 asciilifeform (and certainly static-able)
11:52 phf oh i misunderstood your original sentence, yeah, we are on the same page
11:53 phf i think bsd patch might predate v
11:53 asciilifeform phf's definitely does
11:53 asciilifeform iirc he also had a mac patch
11:54 mod6 yeah, it predates v im sure. i'll dig up the email...
11:56 asciilifeform tbh i do not have a clear picture of what use a trb-on-mac might be to anyone, given as the thing needs to be up 24/7 for any practical battlefield value
11:56 phf http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000118.html
11:56 mod6 I think it was this: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000118.html
11:56 asciilifeform perhaps - just for testing, some folx might be stuck on crapple for whatever reason.
11:56 mod6 phf beat me. lol.
11:56 shinohai lol
11:57 asciilifeform 'of note, previously static compilation on OpenBSD resulted in segmentation fault. this is due to libpthread not being fully linked into the final static binary...' << what did this dig lead to , phf ?
11:58 asciilifeform is openbsd in fact 'drepperized' after all ?
11:58 phf asciilifeform: no, it's a gcc bug that's present on all systems
11:58 phf i think it only manifests on openbsd
11:58 asciilifeform i gotta wonder what else, and where else, is 'not fully statically linkable' and where.
12:00 phf asciilifeform: https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=52590#c4 (the last comment)
12:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform internet prion-eers from 2003.
12:00 mircea_popescu i'm a fucking pioneer, been doing it since the last millenium!
12:01 asciilifeform phf: lemme get this straight, ~all~ pthread proggies hosed on openbsd?!
12:01 asciilifeform (at least such as are built on gcc ..?)
12:02 * asciilifeform blows dust off openbsd 'libretto'
12:02 asciilifeform and btw holy FUCK is that thing slow. SLOW. in the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=300 sense. i can literally feel every disk write.
12:04 phf asciilifeform: ~on all systems~ ~static linking~ of pthread is ~not guaranteed~ to work
12:04 asciilifeform i dun think i have ever visited the mighty land of Guaranteed To Work
12:04 asciilifeform it lies far away, across seven seas, or so i heard.
12:04 phf "On some Linux distributions libpthread.a
12:04 phf has all the objects linked together with ld -r and therefore this will just work there, on others you need -Wl,--whole-archive -lpthread -Wl,--no-whole-archive" (from comment)
12:08 phf researching the problem i came across a lot of "my static linked openbsd program just crashes! ... ... -lpthread ... ...", but also a handful of linux ones
12:08 asciilifeform and speaking of shitware, https://archive.is/91uFx ( moar detail -- https://archive.is/0Dxzi ) -- memory corruption 'oops' in linux kernel ipv6 stack.
12:08 asciilifeform Just Say No to ipv6.
12:09 asciilifeform phf: crash how, at warmup, or randomly as it goes ?
12:09 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575521 << with any luck it'll come in before 2nd batch is spoken for lol
12:09 a111 Logged on 2016-12-01 15:29 trinque will be placing an order soon
12:10 mircea_popescu i had no idea what hotcakes means prior to FUCKGOATS
12:10 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575528 << it should just work!
12:10 a111 Logged on 2016-12-01 15:51 asciilifeform: unrelated lel, how many folx see 'PLEASE read the instructions !' and then drop something other than pgpgram in the funnel
12:12 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575533 << very much this.
12:12 a111 Logged on 2016-12-01 15:54 asciilifeform: (idiot pgp still needs 256 rng bits for aes session keys, when transmitting, and this is own can of lolworms)
12:12 shinohai Sad, I really did like the blockcypher api: http://archive.is/AYrGQ
12:12 phf asciilifeform: that's a good question, i haven't isolated the bug, but i'm pretty sure on openbsd crashes instantaneously. note that c++ threads are involved, so perhaps they try to initialize things even before you start using them?
12:13 phf ooh fuckgoats
12:14 mircea_popescu lol
12:14 mircea_popescu it's FUCKGOATS!!1
12:14 phf asciilifeform: is usb convertable to rs-232 with a ~limited~ application of soldering iron?
12:14 asciilifeform lower-case fuckgoats are simply goats, such that are supplied to bagram airbase for the troops to fuck.
12:14 asciilifeform phf: nein, read the doc, the head comes off
12:15 asciilifeform (subj device speaks ordinary rs232 at TTL voltage, gets converted to the desired end by standard dongle)
12:15 asciilifeform at no point is usb converted to anything.
12:16 mircea_popescu are pthreads even a good thing ?
12:18 asciilifeform they're part of the 'grandfather's pistol'.
12:18 asciilifeform (and ~every other old pistol we have)
12:20 asciilifeform phf: http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/heads.jpg : two example usb heads (battery for scale strictly)
12:20 phf sos tinys
12:20 asciilifeform (the rs232 db-9 serial heads are not here yet, crate should be in shortly )
12:21 asciilifeform the pictured converters are quite common and the folks who played with 'pogo' already have some.
12:21 asciilifeform original design of FUCKGOATS featured on-board usb. was removed quite deliberately.
12:21 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-29#1574497 << yup
12:21 a111 Logged on 2016-11-29 14:36 mircea_popescu: speaking of above article, can i get a commitment to never signing any V material which includes any non-ascii characters ? BingoBoingo diana_coman hanbot trinque mod6 danielpbarron mircea_popescu mike_c asciilifeform davout ben_vulpes phf jurov
12:22 asciilifeform perhaps this is a good time and place to say why. in short -- specificity-of-diddling theorem.
12:22 phf it's a right and proper design
12:22 asciilifeform the only usb-speaking ICs on the market with no PERSISTENT FLASH STATE are all usb-to-rs232ttl converters anyway
12:22 phf (i finished the docs)
12:22 asciilifeform so why bother to pay to have it soldered to the board.
12:22 asciilifeform it lives separately.
12:23 asciilifeform and comes from wherever you like, incl. the back of your desk drawer
12:23 asciilifeform (they've been around since late 1990s when usb became common, in one form or another)
12:24 asciilifeform again, in case this was not clear, the two boards pictured are consumer products, sold for 1-3 $ / ea. just about anywhere.
12:27 asciilifeform elsewhere,
12:27 asciilifeform 'Amongst some people, such confusion has been elevated to a philosophical ideology. I once watched a very lost group working near to me, who had spent months trying to print out a graph. It was all very complicated for them. Eventually they decided to purchase a third party graph drawing component, which advertised that it could print out graphs. After considerable administration they obtained a binary library, which they were not th
12:27 asciilifeform en able to link. One day it became apparent that the component extended a base class of the Qt graphics toolkit, while their program used MFC. Foolishly, I ventured to suggest that if the base class wasn’t available, a derived class couldn’t be linked to it. One of the workers informed me that this was “my opinion”. I should have left it alone, I know. But I used to work in a useful industry. I explained that it was a simple
12:27 asciilifeform fact that if the base library dependency isn’t there, the component can’t link to it. He looked at me and said, “There are no facts, there are only opinions, and all opinions are equal.” ...'
12:27 asciilifeform ^ from phf / adlai / mircea_popescu 's link earlier
12:27 asciilifeform i gotta wonder, how come i never met these folx.
12:27 asciilifeform the 'missing library cannot be linked -- is merely OPINION' people.
12:28 asciilifeform do they live anywhere outside of caricature ? normally dysfunction is more subtle.
12:30 asciilifeform 1st line of subj article , 'For decades we have known that some people are 25 times more productive than most in software engineering jobs. ...' is correct, but the remaining article gets the cause/effect relationship backwards
12:30 jurov i guess they specialize to very different niches of govt ecosystem than alf
12:31 asciilifeform folx who WANT to do the thing they are doing -- or at least have genuine desire to hold in their hands the end result, $widget, $proggy , and not merely the week's paycheque -- give the impression of the '25x productive'
12:32 asciilifeform and where they are found, they are kept in comfortable conditions, or even spared the idiocy of commuting to offices etc.
12:32 asciilifeform elsewhere, in butugychags, folx doing things no sane person would voluntarily consider doing, are, yes, warehoused, as author describes
12:32 asciilifeform but giving ~them~ soundproof boxes etc. simply results on moar tetris-man-hours.
12:33 asciilifeform i thought this was known to pretty much everyone in the field since... '70s..? but apparently not
12:33 asciilifeform see also mircea_popescu's thread about the filipino bordello, with the 400 beds.
12:35 jurov sorry, pls what was that "25 times more productive" link? somwhow can't find it in the log
12:36 jurov ahh http://the-programmers-stone.com/about/
12:36 asciilifeform yes
12:36 asciilifeform pretty typical 'mistreated programmers' piece
12:41 asciilifeform i find it interesting that the authors of these (and there are many) virtually never mention even approx. ~what~ their 'super team' of 'super people' was DOING
12:42 asciilifeform as if it were not at all relevant...
12:43 asciilifeform ( and what precisely could be a motivation, in moribund american megacorp where 'proverbial' programmer always seems to work, to 'super' ? 1% bonus ? to be fired three months later than the next-best team ? better potato ration ? which..? )
12:45 phf when i said "programmers stone" i meant papers published by blog's author in 97 or so, which are very vague and speculative but had some interesting ideas about programming. most references to subj in oldfag circles result in "oh yeaaah i member" reaction. the blog has not much to do with original
12:46 phf http://www.programmersstone.com are the original, and c2 discussion http://wiki.c2.com/?ProgrammersStone
12:46 asciilifeform phf: happen to have a preserved copy of any of these ?
12:46 ben_vulpes congrats on FUCKGOATS, asciilifeform!
12:46 asciilifeform ty ben_vulpes
12:47 asciilifeform ben_vulpes already owns 1/3 (by mass...) of a complete unit !1111
12:50 ben_vulpes tru tru
12:50 asciilifeform phf: lol, it was same d00d as the infamous 'mappers and packers' thing?!!
12:50 ben_vulpes and a pike of entropy sitting in the corner
12:50 ben_vulpes pile*
12:51 phf asciilifeform: it ~is~ the infamous mappers and packers thing, m&p is first chapter
12:51 asciilifeform aaaah
12:51 asciilifeform related http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1523702
12:51 a111 Logged on 2016-08-18 01:24 mircea_popescu: I blame Eric Raymond and to a lesser extent Dave Winer for bringing this kind of schlock writing onto the Internet. Raymond is the original perpetrator of the "what is a hacker?" essay, in which you quickly begin to understand that a hacker is someone who resembles Eric Raymond. Dave Winer has recently and mercifully moved his essays off to audio, but you can still hear him snorfling cashew nuts and talking at length about wh
12:54 asciilifeform asciilifeform refers to this genre of writing as '10th-dimension', after infamous pseudoscientific b00k/www by same name, which consisted of highly refined 'imponade' (to borrow naggum's) , that is, writing designed to pull the reader's intellectual cock and give a sensation of 'profound insight', 'yes, NAO i UNDERSTAND FIZZZIX!' or similar.
12:55 asciilifeform 'it ALL falls into place!1'
12:55 phf well, yeah, it's cybermysticism :) follows a long tradition that well predates eric raymond
12:56 asciilifeform important ingredient is the lack of mathematical or any other pre-requisite that a reader might lack and thereby stumble, or provoke feeling of inferiority
12:56 asciilifeform reader must feel 'on the throne' merely by act of reading.
12:58 phf i would've prefered criticism that involved quotes (since there are plenty of things to make fun of), rather than a somehwat off mark general trash talking
12:59 asciilifeform quote of 'programmer stone' ? we had a number of these earlier in thread ?
12:59 asciilifeform or some other work
12:59 phf those quotes are from blog, not the original site
13:00 phf earlier in thread that is
13:00 asciilifeform so where can i see original site
13:00 phf i just linked it to you ffs
13:00 asciilifeform that was c2 page on subj, no ?
13:00 asciilifeform there was not an earlier document ?
13:00 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575652
13:00 a111 Logged on 2016-12-01 17:46 phf: http://www.programmersstone.com are the original, and c2 discussion http://wiki.c2.com/?ProgrammersStone
13:00 asciilifeform aah
13:04 phf but anyway, the reason why i mentioned it, and the one thing of value that i derived from progstone is the idea of stess addiction. i'm not sure about the mechanism that he proposes, but identifying and neutralizing sources of needless stress served me well for many years since i read it
13:04 asciilifeform mircea_popescu had a pretty good handle on subj, though i have misplaced the relevant piece. the one where he described two basic outcomes of the traditional western crippling of schoolchildren, and they roughly correspond to the 'mapper' and 'packer' portrayed here, and in 'bipolar lisp programmer', and other similar essays.
13:05 asciilifeform phf: stands to reason that if adrenergic dopes are addictive, likewise so would be ordinary adrenaline
13:06 phf also made me rather mistrustful of a lot of "hacker culture" elements, like too much coffee, night hacking, after hour sprints, weekend hacking, all things that i've confirmed from experience to contributing to atrocious code
13:07 asciilifeform the 'culture' was, as i gather, never actually ~about~ the code, but... about the coffee; the shared deathmarches; the dope; the sensory deprivation bottles; the 'scene'; and other pretenses.
13:07 asciilifeform the code - was incidental. which is why it today is going the way of the snake's legs, or the f35's wings and engine.
13:08 asciilifeform hence 'gender git commits'
13:12 asciilifeform briefly revisiting upstack, imho 'mapper' and 'packer' as depicted in the essays are only 'types of people' in the sense that there were two types of inmate at auschwitz - folx who immediately jumped the fence and died on the wire, and ones who 'checked out' and turned 'Muselmann' ;
13:13 asciilifeform two different reactions to being killed with boredom -- daydream and gabriel_laddel around ('mapper') -- or, alternatively, -- 'mindless robot' ('packer'), typical caricature of 'cube dweller', 'dilbert'.
13:15 asciilifeform only the latter, notably, results in the inmate/employee being of some residual use to his owner, so 'corporate culture' is unsurprisingly built around utilization of this type, and the speedy ejection of the other one.
13:15 asciilifeform because how else.
13:15 phf i always thought that kind of classification is "people like me and people not like me", but i like your take too.
13:15 asciilifeform i cannot speak for other inmates, but i have lived as both of these animals.
13:16 asciilifeform and because of this, have difficulty picturing them as fixed 'types' from birth.
13:17 phf well also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1575207
13:17 a111 Logged on 2016-11-30 23:42 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i must disagree, i was quite close to, e.g., 'v', for very long time before finally wrote it.
13:17 asciilifeform how's that plug in ?
13:18 phf the first part of writing happens in a mapper mode, i.e. daydreaming for lack of better word before any kind of code is actually written, second in packer i.e. actual typing. that's also when cocaine/caffeine/aderal might help
13:19 asciilifeform 'packing', and brute labour of whatever other kind, also can have sensation of 'inch away', read the tales of athletes in training, alpinists, pilots.
13:19 asciilifeform and aha, 'inca marching powders' etc.
13:19 asciilifeform but quite destructive to folx who are doing equivalent of ~planning~ the march
13:20 asciilifeform which is why i said to laddel 'dope requires discipline', because a lone programmer in a cellar is both general and soldier
13:20 phf plan with vodka, execute with cocaine -- stalin
13:20 asciilifeform ^
13:20 asciilifeform or, i will add for completeness, both -- sober. also worx for some folx.
13:21 asciilifeform but quite certainly not 'vodka -- vodka' or 'cocaine -- cocaine'
13:21 asciilifeform these -- proven failure.
13:21 asciilifeform 'cocaine -- vodka' gives you usg.
13:21 asciilifeform also undesirable combination.
13:22 shinohai !~tslb
13:22 jhvh1 shinohai: Error: Problem retrieving latest block data.
13:23 phf haha, most definitely. cocaine is all the upper echelons (the drug of choice on capitol hill), alcohol is for the grunts. aspiring managers notably prefer vodka redbulls are a nodick compromise
13:23 phf *as a
13:23 trinque who is this person that felt like they could figure things out on cocaine? then later saw that they in fact, had.
13:24 * trinque has advocated various dopes in the past solely because they were fun, like camping is fun, but I don't write code camping either. I camp.
13:24 asciilifeform trinque: probably the folx who erdos for decade on single 100g bottle of it and will take secret to the grave.
13:24 asciilifeform and take it every other month.
13:24 * trinque is not particularly addiction prone
13:25 trinque smokes for bit, stops cold one day. same experience with the powdery one.
13:25 trinque still didn't feel superhuman on either; more like excited dog that has to sniff everything in a loop
13:25 phf i'd like to mention that sherlock holmes used cocaine ~only~ in between cases
13:27 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes danke.
13:29 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575483 << yeah mine is rarely even 1 behind, frequently ahead of bc.info and frenz
13:29 a111 Logged on 2016-12-01 13:01 mircea_popescu: not ben_vulpes' !
13:29 asciilifeform phf: i distinctly recall ~one~ case where he injects while thinking
13:30 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575631 << mandatory link to " It was impressive in a way to see Protagoras's sophism alive and well after 2500 years." http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/arsdigita-greenspun.html
13:30 a111 Logged on 2016-12-01 17:27 asciilifeform: fact that if the base library dependency isn’t there, the component can’t link to it. He looked at me and said, “There are no facts, there are only opinions, and all opinions are equal.” ...'
13:31 asciilifeform !!up gabriel_laddel
13:31 deedbot gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
13:32 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575637 << alf also isn't exactly a social butterfly.
13:32 a111 Logged on 2016-12-01 17:30 jurov: i guess they specialize to very different niches of govt ecosystem than alf
13:32 ben_vulpes one of the few psyochoactive experiments left on my list is the eyedropper bottle of cocaine/alcohol solution
13:32 shinohai https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven-Per-Cent_Solution <<< Holmes later went to Dr. Sigmund Freud's rehab clinic in Vienna
13:32 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes you ever examined the nasal septum of long term coke whore ?
13:32 * asciilifeform not even very serious antisocial butterfly !
13:32 gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes: why this vs. in soda?
13:33 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: indeed have, why do you ask?
13:33 jurov ben_vulpes: already tried eyedropping tobacco extract? not very psychoactive but very purifying instead
13:33 asciilifeform for the cocaethylene ?
13:33 mircea_popescu because i can't conceive why'd you want to do that to your cornea.
13:33 ben_vulpes gabriel_laddel: there's a metabolite that comes out when digestion booze and coke together
13:33 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: nah, traditional oral application
13:34 mircea_popescu oh, eyedropper on tongue ?
13:34 ben_vulpes good idea though! i've dropped many a dose of 'acid' into 'friends' eyeballs.
13:34 * mircea_popescu sees eyedropper, expects eye.
13:34 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: or even more dilute, through a whole cocktail
13:34 mircea_popescu (this is how hitler got his, famously)
13:34 gabriel_laddel_p ben_vulpes: coca-cola, not booze...
13:34 ben_vulpes OCD TITRATION
13:34 gabriel_laddel_p but it seems we are on the same page.
13:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: according to morrel, the fuhrer took his 'vitamins' injected every morning and at lunch
13:35 ben_vulpes gabriel_laddel_p: it is the poor modern americans resynthesis of the original coke + booze cocktails
13:35 asciilifeform iirc.
13:35 mircea_popescu i seem to recall an eyedropped thing, but w/e ianae
13:35 gabriel_laddel_p I cannot currently up myself, but have registered a new key for gabriel_laddel_p
13:35 trinque and he was just about to win the war, even!
13:35 asciilifeform !!key gabriel_laddel_p
13:35 deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/hybg6/?raw=true
13:36 trinque neato
13:36 ben_vulpes lol what is that a lisp predicate joke gabriel_laddel_p ?
13:36 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel_p so is this actually going to be your key or are you gonna lose it in six weeks ?
13:36 asciilifeform !!rate gabriel_laddel_p 1 possibly == gabriel_laddel
13:36 deedbot Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/IgeET/?raw=true
13:36 gabriel_laddel_p mircea_popescu: I'm going to recover my old key, sign this one.
13:36 mircea_popescu alright.
13:37 asciilifeform !!v B87AE47F1D988F4D67F9D1552817CBF74A7458EC771E28481318FC165A4D85F0
13:37 deedbot asciilifeform rated gabriel_laddel_p 1 << possibly == gabriel_laddel
13:37 shinohai Lamport parachute or it didn't happen.
13:37 mircea_popescu !!rate gabriel_laddel_p 1 Crazed Cali Kid, but at least banging his head against a goldmine rather than a brick wall.
13:37 deedbot Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/aM9Mf/?raw=true
13:37 asciilifeform shinohai: d00d ejected, it seems, without a parachute.
13:38 mircea_popescu !!v CADE8827752416FE04C18CBB70886AE4B6573C376EE93B81A4FA771DCFE2ABE9
13:38 deedbot mircea_popescu rated gabriel_laddel_p 1 << Crazed Cali Kid, but at least banging his head against a goldmine rather than a brick wall.
13:38 trinque !!rate gabriel_laddel_p 1 will replace with old rating when key ownership is proved
13:38 deedbot Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/KFFVA/?raw=true
13:38 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel_p: next you get a postbox
13:39 trinque !!v 96533527176896B9F4A475C5B768571233BAC59F4CF81F8F856087FD87EA6855
13:39 deedbot trinque rated gabriel_laddel_p 1 << will replace with old rating when key ownership is proved
13:39 mircea_popescu first we take manhattan...
13:39 mircea_popescu THEN WE TAKE BERLIN!
13:39 * asciilifeform was going to say !111 ^
13:39 asciilifeform BERLIN, FRITZES!11
13:40 asciilifeform ( speaking of this, almost let this slip by! http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575332 << poor decimation ! )
13:40 a111 Logged on 2016-12-01 01:42 shinohai: This may be the best story I have seen all day: Former gay porn actor turned German spy arrested for secretly being a Jihadist http://archive.is/9SQqY
13:40 asciilifeform ^ for some reason i picture the protagonist of subj as him !
13:41 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575648 << this is because you are invited to bond. girls bitching to other girls about their bfs ALSO don't actually say what they're doing.
13:41 a111 Logged on 2016-12-01 17:41 asciilifeform: i find it interesting that the authors of these (and there are many) virtually never mention even approx. ~what~ their 'super team' of 'super people' was DOING
13:41 asciilifeform they assume that 'everyone does same thing'
13:41 asciilifeform so it gets #include'd
13:43 mircea_popescu not even. they assume that everyone's an imbecile, and therefore will discuss what's said. so if they tell you about the money they spent you'll discuss money spent and if they tell you about his abs you'll discuss abs.
13:43 mircea_popescu because nobody has any shade of completeness left anywhere.
13:43 mircea_popescu and consequently : he simply does not want it to be a discussion about that, so he doesn't mention it.
13:43 asciilifeform perhaps it was a mistake to teach pigs to speak.
13:43 mircea_popescu he doesn't even realise that this is moo-ing for moo-ers, not discourse for people.
13:43 asciilifeform cows - also.
13:44 mircea_popescu the sad fact of the matter is that the brain is not a reasoning engine. in a very purely naturalistic, bio-logical way, this is sensible. the practice of "talk to the text, not context or subtext" has become established through moo practice
13:44 mircea_popescu much like the meaning of "established" itself.
13:45 asciilifeform no more than legs are ballet engine
13:45 mircea_popescu no, legs actually are ballet engine.
13:45 mircea_popescu brain is not reasoning engine in the sense rectum is not vagina.
13:46 asciilifeform it is why asciilifeform is sympathetic to the 'gabriel_laddel's dope' pov : the degree of contortion involved in serious engineering , mentally, is every bit as much a self-abuse as to take any known dope
13:46 asciilifeform brain - does not go along willingly.
13:46 mircea_popescu the recent trilema byline about mediocrity conversely states "there is no perversity other than thinking"
13:47 trinque asciilifeform: what is this external thing that the brain wont go along with willingly?
13:47 asciilifeform actually mediocrity ~does~ consist of the places to which brain goes willingly.
13:47 mircea_popescu quite.
13:47 mircea_popescu trinque the structure of representation qua representation does not particularly match the structure of reality qua reality.
13:47 asciilifeform trinque: think back to own education, childhood
13:48 trinque I was the kid who voraciously wanted to learn, ended up tiring of starving, went wandering in the woods for food.
13:49 trinque it is a strange creature that resists learning, or work.
13:50 mircea_popescu consider the illustrative case of physics. newtonian mechanics (representation structured as representation) is valuable because a) it works in representative terms, ie, math and b) matches observable reality. but there is no objective relation between a and b, which is why science fiction can exist for instance ; and also why the only thing that can be said about nm is that it's ... not correct.
13:50 mircea_popescu same holds for nm v2.0 aka qm.
13:50 mircea_popescu none of this is much more than observing that you know, "in theory there's no difference between theory and practice..." ie, the represented difference between representation and reality reduces to a representation.
13:51 trinque I am trying to digest the perspective that one must beat himself to behave according to his own model of reality, subjectively.
13:52 trinque how can that be so when it implies an infinite regression of models of his world
13:52 gabriel_laddel_p I should have been a little more specific earlier re: why cocaine in particular, or meth (in particular) would be useful IN MY SITUATION. I think it would be useful when you find yourself on a forced march in the sense that you MUST stay awake for a few hours longer than you normally would have, perhaps on the company of people who you should proba
13:52 gabriel_laddel_p bly socialize with prior to getting a new place to crash / drop masamunes off.
13:52 mod6 asciilifeform: did you guys take down the order form for fuckgoats?
13:52 mod6 I aquired a box, so was just gonna re-read some of the stuff and place an order later tonight.
13:53 gabriel_laddel_p both substances allow you to remain lucid after a long time with little sleep
13:53 asciilifeform mod6: no, did you have trouble loading ?
13:53 mod6 i didn't see a link. i'm probably an idiot.
13:53 * gabriel_laddel_p off to sell machines, later.
13:54 trinque gabriel_laddel_p: k, now describe the iterated case.
13:54 asciilifeform mats: page is all there, box -- not in any sense hammered; should load normally
13:55 asciilifeform mod6 ^ rather
13:55 phf trinque: all voracious learners i know eventually hit the point, where acquiring knowledge/skill requires significant amount of self abuse. the kind of abuse in question is the actual, physical pain that you experience in your head, when for example trying to grok math analysis. only people who never experienced that are jacks of all trades who bail before that point (or mythical genuises who never hit their limits before death, i know
13:55 phf none)
13:55 asciilifeform and ^^^
13:55 asciilifeform phf has it.
13:55 trinque thinking hard is not abuse
13:55 mod6 ooooh. i see what the problem was. the homepage doesn't have a link to 'shop'. after clicking on 'the real bitcoin' link, then was taken to that page, where a 'shop' link exists.
13:55 mod6 thanks
13:56 asciilifeform mod6: your browser cache may be stale
13:56 asciilifeform all of the pages should have same link
13:56 mod6 oh, aight. will clear.
13:57 mod6 doesn't seem to resolve the issue. but w/e. less people in line in front of me!
13:57 asciilifeform mod6: link ?
13:57 trinque this dope topic is a perfect example. I was making a similar "psychedelics open your mind, man" argument a year or two ago, and mp thoroughly trashed the argument.
13:57 trinque when this occurred, I changed my perspective. to not do so is insanity.
13:57 mod6 and btw, i get a 401 auth required when trying to hit: www.nosuchlabs.com
13:58 asciilifeform lol i have nfi
13:58 asciilifeform btw who is 46.166.139.120 , your browser is in an infinite loop
13:58 mod6 but, i don't have a link handy for ya or anything, it's just 'http://nosuchlabs.com' in a private-window with all history cleared, no 'shop' link in menu bar.
13:59 trinque I would say one of the functions of a republic is to do precisely this, i.e. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-01#1533200
13:59 a111 Logged on 2016-09-01 19:52 trinque: http://trilema.com/2016/the-bickening/ << /me perceives more of "republic describes the structure of meaning" here
13:59 trinque when you encounter the truth, it better flip bits in your skull, or you are broken. this includes "I must build/learn/etc X"
14:01 asciilifeform mod6: try now.
14:01 asciilifeform (www.... and bare link)
14:02 asciilifeform ^ anyone else saw what mod6 saw ??
14:03 asciilifeform and how about now ?
14:03 mircea_popescu trinque it has to be so ; so as to prevent the reality-representation tandem from going into positive feedback.
14:08 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575840 << he will no doubt be less than pleased to hear that i can / historically have stayed up for days at a stretch because i wanted to. it's all in the brain, man!
14:08 a111 Logged on 2016-12-01 18:57 trinque: this dope topic is a perfect example. I was making a similar "psychedelics open your mind, man" argument a year or two ago, and mp thoroughly trashed the argument.
14:08 mod6 so now, i see that 'nosuchlabs.com' homepage is the 'fuckgoats' page -- no middle finger
14:08 mircea_popescu aha.
14:09 mod6 and the shop link is on there.
14:10 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575841 << yes, but this is not really what's discussed here. obviously when you grok something you grok something. but in order to get yourserlf to where you grok something, you invariably have to do something "out of character". there has to be some pressure. "and at that moment x was enlightened" specifically says "x abused himself to the point of", but nobody wants to notice.
14:10 a111 Logged on 2016-12-01 18:57 trinque: when this occurred, I changed my perspective. to not do so is insanity.
14:10 mircea_popescu that ~nobody wants to notice~ is the very point. yes, once the spot on the sleeve is pointed out it stands out. and before it wasn't there.
14:11 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2016/12/01/out-with-trudeau-in-with-oleary/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Out with Trudeau. In with O’Leary.
14:11 mircea_popescu (which is why the whole "nobody could have predicted" is such an endearingly stupid exercise in ignorance pleading, but whatevers)
14:14 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575666 << "i fucking love science!" there's a lot of these.
14:14 a111 Logged on 2016-12-01 17:55 asciilifeform: 'it ALL falls into place!1'
14:15 mircea_popescu for a while a very popular ~tv format~ was this string of factoids going in a sort of free association from a noun back again to it. the whole thing read too fast and with "bbc noises" in the background (you know the idiocy, chimes intended to propose THE IMPORTANT IS OCCURING!)
14:16 trinque mircea_popescu: aha, and the dope runs heavy risk of false-positive "did something useful out of character"
14:16 mircea_popescu "mice were found in germany which is a country that once invaded the soviet union where lenin introduced electricity which goes through tubes in which tubes today in england most mices live." "OH NOW IT ALL FALLS INTO PLACE!!!"
14:16 trinque but whatever, we can have two sanitarium-goers
14:16 trinque :D
14:17 mircea_popescu trinque try as i might i fail to see self-administered medication in any better light than self-mixed gasoline. "oh, my fuel mix gives me much better power and gas mileage". meanwhile derp drives a fucking honda and has an evil eye pendant dangling from the rear view mirror.
14:17 mircea_popescu i'm sure he MEASURED this shit.
14:17 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575854 << aaaa, but didja throw any cars.
14:17 a111 Logged on 2016-12-01 19:08 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575840 << he will no doubt be less than pleased to hear that i can / historically have stayed up for days at a stretch because i wanted to. it's all in the brain, man!
14:18 mircea_popescu if only the exxon people had thought to mix mountain berries and chalk powder into the damned thing. but the anti-berry lobby is keeping a lid on things.
14:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nope. who throws cars ?
14:18 asciilifeform pcp eaters.
14:18 mircea_popescu much likelier they give themselves tendon fractures.
14:18 asciilifeform well yes, each gets to throw 1 car.
14:18 asciilifeform then -- done.
14:18 mircea_popescu wtf, a crane is like 100 bux an hour already. why throw cars.
14:19 asciilifeform most of the things 'plankton' do on done, there is equally little actual reason to do any of.
14:19 asciilifeform *on dope
14:20 phf this goes back to the whole computer as an intelligence augmentation thread we had
14:20 asciilifeform aha.
14:20 mircea_popescu come to think about it, i find it deeply regrettable that fuel teas aren't fashionable. imagine, if people actualyl did plant mix decoctions to mix in their gas tanks.
14:21 mircea_popescu they could have a web forum dedicated to debating formulas...
14:21 asciilifeform this almost exists.
14:21 mircea_popescu like... camomille is good for reducing wear and mint is good for you know, that extra kick uphill
14:21 phf mircea_popescu: it exists! with diesel from trash crowd
14:21 mircea_popescu hm
14:22 mircea_popescu no but i mean, something equivalent to the fortified wine / bitter craze of the 1700/1800s.
14:22 mircea_popescu the stuff that gave us strega and campari and whatnot. "secret family recipe. blessed by pope! 500 plants!"
14:22 asciilifeform the correct analogy here, at least in re dopes that actually DO something, is nitro.
14:22 mircea_popescu the occasional death in a garage fireball because idiot had leaky still...
14:22 mircea_popescu "no doubt it was a hit by the anti-tea-gasoline lobby because he knew too much"
14:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nitro dundo nuttin on stock engine.
14:23 mircea_popescu and i have yet to see people who altered their neurons prior to doping.
14:23 asciilifeform 'dundu nuttin' is not exactly correct.
14:23 phf jack parsons blowing himself up has similar thread of mystical and paranoid interpretations
14:23 mircea_popescu though this is a decent sf premise, imagine if nanotech allows one to drill implants into each neuron
14:23 mircea_popescu and then you hafta whatever, eat wd40
14:25 asciilifeform incidentally it is not inconceivable that some of the natural variation in wakefulness, pain tolerance, etc. among people reduces to something that one could - to an extent - chemically scam into existence
14:25 mircea_popescu i have personally repaired malfunctioning electronics with a well placed hit to the side.
14:25 asciilifeform (though afaik no known dope falls squarely into this category, the discovery of thyroid hormone almost falls in )
14:27 asciilifeform the observation about 'nitro in a stock engine' is not untrue: idiots who take stim produce idiocy 10x faster, because they are unaccustomed to the horsepower and have nfi where to put it, their crankshaft simply bends
14:27 mircea_popescu and ftr in the "Self administered medication" above i don't just count "performance enhancing psychoactives" but also colodial silver, large servings of c vitamin and for that matter fucking steroids.
14:27 * mircea_popescu runs into dude, dumb as fucking doornail, "o man, everything's better on roids. you gotta juice man. you gotta!"
14:28 mircea_popescu with some regularity.
14:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: there are 2 basic magisteria of self-medicators -- where the dope actually does something; and where not
14:28 asciilifeform (in the case of the latter -- placebocin still works magic!!)
14:28 mircea_popescu everything "does something".
14:28 mircea_popescu eat enough blueberry extract you'll poop purple for chrissakes.
14:29 asciilifeform something, let's say, superficially resembling the intended effect
14:29 * phf knows some hippies to who refer to psychedelic mushrooms as "medicine" and stick to the whole medical terminology throughout. mind you they take them at festivals, but "for medicinal purposes"
14:29 * asciilifeform pictures a penicillin festival
14:30 mircea_popescu phf hey, the alcohol as medicine thing is a joke older than those hippies' mothers.
14:30 asciilifeform phf: this is rather like medieval nuns who saw rubbing clit as only acceptable if done indirectly as part of a 'saintly ecstatic dream' etc
14:30 asciilifeform in re this and all other 'medicalizations' -- straight to tlp
14:31 phf perhaps if some tribe accidentally learned how to synth p they would have "festivals" around it. "doesn't work otherwise"
14:31 asciilifeform ritualization of $working-item is how priests siphon off some of the bang of the buck
14:32 mircea_popescu this is not unlike saying that the teenaged village whore manipulated the village.
14:32 asciilifeform supply 'necessary' mumbles, ration access, cordon off creators of bad pr (those for whom 'not worked'), etc
14:32 mircea_popescu a) people want to do x ; b) people don't weant to do x ; c) people pick the more lunatic marginal, make him Priest of X.
14:33 mircea_popescu kinda dangerous for the priest, but it's what it is.
14:34 asciilifeform phf: re 'medicinal alcohol', most famously possibly in usa -- n. tesla revoked his prediction of living to be 100 y.o. when prohibition passed
14:34 * mircea_popescu will to this day drink pepper-decocted-tuica for some types of colds.
14:34 mircea_popescu very fucking medicinal.
14:35 asciilifeform some variant of this exists in every drinking country, i suspect
14:36 mircea_popescu and it also works! but w/e, i'm not proposing this shamanism is medicine.
14:38 * mircea_popescu has had some occasion to try such wonders, like treated girl's sprain with mustard. it worked on her just as well as generally works, notwithstanding not from the right culture.
14:39 phf "every trained girl must placebo on command"
14:39 * mircea_popescu also sent girl with uti to buy herself gallon of cranberry juice the day before taking same girl to er because OMFG IT HURTS and pumping her full of nitrofuran.
14:40 mircea_popescu or in other words, traditional medicine is fun while the fun lasts.
14:43 asciilifeform either kind is 'while lasts'.
14:43 mircea_popescu this is also true.
14:43 asciilifeform ( and consider how s. jobs supposedly died )
14:43 mircea_popescu didn't he have pancreatic cancer ?
14:44 asciilifeform no, iirc it was some very uncommonly ~operable~ liver variant
14:44 mircea_popescu not afaik.
14:44 asciilifeform but he 'traditionalled' it for , it was said, years.
14:44 shinohai He died of cyanide poisoning from eating all those crapple seeds
14:44 mircea_popescu islet cell carcinoma.
14:49 mircea_popescu o wow apparently he also got a liver transplant, which obv comes with imunosupressants.
14:51 asciilifeform the idea (or at least the popular notion, i was not at his deathbed and have nfi re fact) was that the man , with infinite money, could have likely lived if he had spent it on the 'brezhnev-grade' medical fuckery earlier.
14:51 asciilifeform instead of herbalists.
14:51 mircea_popescu yeah apparently he spent a year trolling the internet for "spiritualists" lel.
14:52 phf it's sort of like believing monopoly money is real money, must be a cultural thing
14:53 mircea_popescu success unhinges the mind.
14:53 asciilifeform especially 'grade 5' ( per mircea_popescu's essay ) success.
14:53 mircea_popescu especially.
14:53 asciilifeform it is pretty lethal to most folx i dare say.
14:54 asciilifeform the old piloting book, interestingly, goes into subj
14:55 asciilifeform (how folx often die -- from observer's pov, quite avoidably -- in the cockpit, author tells, is by taking idiot risk they 'got away with many times before')
14:55 mircea_popescu a good 2/3 of how girl gets in trouble. "but i've always done this".
14:57 mircea_popescu fine example for trinque 's folder on "brain - not reasoning machine". woman goes out in the field with the horde of kids (whose job as we know is to act as landmine sacrifices for the mysterious bushes). notices kid eats berries from berry bush, notices kid doesn't die, has some, and then tomorrow, and then
14:57 mircea_popescu KURU IS AN INEXPLICABLE GOD SENT DISEASE
14:59 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575685 << you have to appreciate that "hacker culture" as practiced by adolescents is very different from hacking and very related to adolescence. the "hunting culture" of adolescents similarly is more about the horde being together and all excited than about catching anything.
14:59 a111 Logged on 2016-12-01 18:06 phf: also made me rather mistrustful of a lot of "hacker culture" elements, like too much coffee, night hacking, after hour sprints, weekend hacking, all things that i've confirmed from experience to contributing to atrocious code
14:59 mircea_popescu there's specific sexual behaviours involved ; not so much work-oriented. unless you count cunt crushing.
15:01 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575686 << quite exactly, alf has it. http://trilema.com/2010/copchii-au-o-problema/ very much this same story.
15:01 a111 Logged on 2016-12-01 18:07 asciilifeform: the 'culture' was, as i gather, never actually ~about~ the code, but... about the coffee; the shared deathmarches; the dope; the sensory deprivation bottles; the 'scene'; and other pretenses.
15:05 phf sort of reminds me how i was trying to teach a group of script kiddies to program. "this here shellcode -- that we use to pwn newwwbs!!! -- yes, yes, see it's x86 assembly -- ... -- and you disassemble it, and then even write your own -- so we can pwn newbs better????!!! -- yes yes precisely"
15:06 mircea_popescu does your wife go ? eh ? eh ? is she a sport ? say NO MORE!
15:06 phf what's it like!
15:06 mircea_popescu aha lol
15:11 * asciilifeform just opened a crate, 'what was this', turns out, grey market chinese '3d display', came even with preloaded crappy pr0n
15:11 phf is it chinese porn?
15:12 asciilifeform well yes
15:12 asciilifeform thing runs turdroid, etc.
15:12 mircea_popescu what, with blurred out cunts and shit ?
15:13 asciilifeform approx
15:13 asciilifeform box claims 'like in movie theatre' -- and true! !! ~back row~
15:14 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575716 << you know that "so what does your master do ?" "when he eats - he eats. when he sleeps - he sleeps" one ?
15:14 a111 Logged on 2016-12-01 18:24 trinque has advocated various dopes in the past solely because they were fun, like camping is fun, but I don't write code camping either. I camp.
15:15 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575721 << kinda why it goes so well with orgies.
15:15 a111 Logged on 2016-12-01 18:25 trinque: still didn't feel superhuman on either; more like excited dog that has to sniff everything in a loop
15:18 asciilifeform and lel, 'bangkok motor show' in there
15:18 asciilifeform complete with 1930s wtfs
15:18 phf asciilifeform: this is some prime warez
15:19 trinque mircea_popescu: A student once asked his teacher, "Master, what is enlightenment?" The master replied, "When hungry, eat. When tired, sleep." << this thing?
15:24 asciilifeform iirc it also ended with 'when done -- die'
15:25 asciilifeform but maybe i dreamed this.
15:27 trinque should at any rate.
15:30 shinohai https://blockchain.info/charts/mempool-count <<< quite the mempool spike today
15:36 mircea_popescu trinque o, no.
15:37 mircea_popescu A student told his friend, "My teacher has amazing powers. He moves a pen in the air and characters appear on a piece of paper held on the other side of the river. What does your master do?" His friend replied "My great master follows Zen. When he is hungry, he eats and when he is tired he sleeps."
15:41 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575976 << i suspect that 'the dose makes the poison', as often is the case, most 'erdos' success stories involve very very small ones.
15:41 a111 Logged on 2016-12-01 20:15 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575721 << kinda why it goes so well with orgies.
15:41 mircea_popescu shinohai < that sort of shit is misleading because usual socialism. should be in term of total fees.
15:41 mircea_popescu wtf is "a transaction"
15:42 asciilifeform lulzy how we ~still~ don't have fee-sort sanity.
15:42 mircea_popescu until we put it in it won't exist alf.
15:42 asciilifeform dafuq are 0fee tx even doing existing, for instance.
15:42 asciilifeform or even the coin age priority thing.
15:42 asciilifeform it makes 0 sense.
15:42 mircea_popescu that's privilege.
15:42 asciilifeform prioritize -- by fee.
15:43 mircea_popescu i can't say i grasp what the dude thought he was doing exactly.
15:43 asciilifeform (there is nothing presently keeping miners from prioritizing how they like. but -- too stupid)
15:43 shinohai I agree it should be prioritized by fee ... but "democracy" and all
15:43 * asciilifeform once sat down to put it in and then found that he cannot even delete one tx from the pool !
15:43 asciilifeform if anyone recalls.
15:43 asciilifeform jurov -- replicated this, painfully
15:47 mircea_popescu so folks may recall the airconditioner pics ? in the same vein, this morning there was a truck loaded with steel pipes, and two trabajadores. one of them held a pipe up in the air vertically, with great effort, as the wind threatened to cause a serious workplace accident any moment. the other had a shovel.
15:48 mircea_popescu and he used that shovel. to bang on the lower end of the steep pipe, ostensibly to induce it to take a shape less offensive to his taste and good public morals.
15:49 mircea_popescu at which point englithment struck me : do you know that in two years here i NEVER heard an engine as quiet as the item left the factory ?
15:49 mircea_popescu it was long a low level puzzle this, "seriously, 2010 toyota sounds LIKE THAT ?!"
15:49 asciilifeform lemme guess, they take off the mufflers for the 1-3% efficiency boost ?
15:49 mircea_popescu but then it became crystal clear - they have these auto shops here, about 100x the floor space of bars and nightclubs altogether. and in them, men. trabajadores.
15:49 mircea_popescu with their fucking shovels, fucking up everything.
15:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform currently i suspect they unseat and reseat the engine blocks wrongly.
15:50 mircea_popescu ie, with different screws. with pipe collars. etcetera. INDUSTRIA ARGENTINA.
15:50 asciilifeform btw most engines made since mid-1990s have an electronic damper that kicks in b/w , iirc, 3rd and 4th gear, and also has to be mounted, and correctly, or ~increases~ vibration
15:51 mircea_popescu everything sounds like a fucking volga.
15:51 asciilifeform (i learned of this existing when finally found the schematics for own auto, and marvelled)
15:52 mircea_popescu i mean, IVECO trucks, clearly made for municipal use, clearly delivered new sometime in the past 2-3 years. as loud as a zil uphill.
15:52 mircea_popescu never would that item have left factory in that condition
15:53 asciilifeform orc maintenance.
15:54 asciilifeform btw asciilifeform's mechanic is originally from buenos aires, and is superb
15:54 mircea_popescu sort-of how the long lost compass in tribal shaman's possession is covered in braids and whatnot.
15:55 asciilifeform according to legend, cuba is different somehow
15:55 asciilifeform but i have not been there.
15:58 * jurov went to look up trabajadores, there was this example usage: Mis trabajadores roban material de oficina de la empresa.
15:58 mircea_popescu i would say it is very apt.
15:59 mircea_popescu ladrones simply comes from lado, as in "de todo lado".
16:06 mircea_popescu and in other utf news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/a45654e4c3ad69ae4c0b4e2a9fbd4dbd/tumblr_oftz3cP7JU1ufsny6o1_1280.gif
16:10 asciilifeform http://reason.com/archives/2016/11/28/the-secret-dangerous-world-of << in other lelz
16:11 mircea_popescu gaming forum ? nigga...
16:13 mircea_popescu that's what, 2 petahash ? i'm sure some venezuelan derp is running 2ph.
16:14 mircea_popescu half a million or so in gear, big deal!
16:15 mircea_popescu and besides, who's gonna notice a missing quarter mw.
16:21 * ben_vulpes was just fined for gang plugging
16:23 phf "make sure he gets plugged -- sure thing boss" later "benny v arrested in gang related plugging"
16:23 mircea_popescu did this involve ginger by any chance ?
16:23 ben_vulpes i wish
16:23 ben_vulpes power cords only
16:24 mircea_popescu isn't that nigger rigging ?
16:24 * ben_vulpes dies laughing
16:26 phf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxSi6U41R4Q
16:26 ben_vulpes funny thing is that i can guarantee if i'm drawing any serious amount of amperage it will be the walls that ignite and not my nigga-rigged workstation
16:39 * trinque still wants to know what gang plugging is!
16:39 trinque I've got a bunch of italians sitting around getting mops stapled on in my head
16:40 trinque somebody has authoritah to inspect your power strips somewhere?
16:43 ben_vulpes yeah, that's exactly it.
16:43 ben_vulpes i didn't actually know that the fire marshall planned to let himself in, but GLORIOUS SOCIALIST UTOPIA OF PORTLAND
16:44 trinque let himself in << what the fuck?
16:46 ben_vulpes tell me about it!
~ 38 minutes ~
17:24 mircea_popescu i'm confused. what happened ?
17:25 ben_vulpes fire marshall let himself into my office and fined me for power cord mismanagement
17:25 ben_vulpes "GANG PLUGGING POWER TAPS"
17:25 mircea_popescu how did he do that ? no locks where you live ?
17:30 ben_vulpes well this is the office and apparently they have their own set of keys
17:30 mircea_popescu lol aww.
17:36 asciilifeform what's the fine, same 20bux as for smoking in a lift ?
17:37 asciilifeform ( last set in... '50s..? )
17:38 ben_vulpes very close, when inflation-adjusted, some 250.
17:39 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1576026 << and i thought it was from latro (thief - lat)
17:39 a111 Logged on 2016-12-01 20:59 mircea_popescu: ladrones simply comes from lado, as in "de todo lado".
~ 19 minutes ~
17:58 asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2D3k0sJ8HM << in other olds.
18:04 asciilifeform 'you will need 50 men to lift this part...'
~ 34 minutes ~
18:39 shinohai http://archive.is/HgfnJ <<< google play users get cornholed again
18:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform of course it is.
18:44 mircea_popescu and in other eu news, http://x.imagefapusercontent.com/u/MrPayne/4694500/204087145/cuck_bw_07.jpg
18:45 asciilifeform lel the thing from mircea_popescu's tale
18:46 mircea_popescu which one ?
18:46 asciilifeform the one with the... cock crusher?
18:47 mircea_popescu oh i see!
18:47 mircea_popescu THAT one
18:47 shinohai There was an enterprising lady on reddit iirc who charged 0.1 to keep the tards locked up in one weekly.
18:48 mircea_popescu a saintly spirit.
18:48 mircea_popescu incidentally, no such labs now larger referrer for trilema than the logs.
18:49 asciilifeform lolsrsly?
18:49 mircea_popescu aha.
18:49 asciilifeform neato.
18:50 mircea_popescu by a fat margin too.
18:52 ben_vulpes http://directory.io/faq
18:54 asciilifeform old noose
18:54 asciilifeform iirc it was in #ba before i was
18:55 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes your reddit link 404s
18:55 ben_vulpes 2013 even, but amused me.
18:55 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: pardon?
18:55 mircea_popescu i dunno, i clicked on some link in there and it showed me an orange pile with some sort of teddybear crushed under it
18:56 ben_vulpes in the directory.io/faq page?
18:56 mircea_popescu yes
18:56 mircea_popescu i think maybe it was reddit's rendition of a cock ? crushed ?
18:56 ben_vulpes not precisely my link, but reddit appears down from here
18:57 mircea_popescu aww.
18:59 mircea_popescu so /me clicks an addres.. and bam
18:59 mircea_popescu https://blockchain.info/address/1EoXPE6MzT4EnHvk2Ldj64M2ks2EAcZyH4
19:00 asciilifeform 'Public Note: Colorful eggs! You find it! Then what? Donate back to me if you like it. Other eggs are not far, I'd like to leave some clues about the pages or the keys, but I'm sleepy now.' << wat
19:00 mircea_popescu i do not know.
19:01 mircea_popescu but in other obscure arcana, http://68.media.tumblr.com/85dcb1cd1002b08c978b2738720da4f7/tumblr_oe8kg2KzS21v81p6qo1_1280.jpg
~ 42 minutes ~
19:44 BingoBoingo http://img.memecdn.com/gibsmedat-germany-monei_o_5883771.jpg
~ 1 hours 4 minutes ~
20:48 mod6 order placed.
20:49 mircea_popescu 👍
20:54 shinohai http://archive.is/HDX7b <<< Preeeeeeeeeeet to remain in the Trumpreich
20:55 mircea_popescu generally rainers/torquemadas/etc are politically pliable
20:55 mircea_popescu they just want to smell blood.
20:56 mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575904 << lol, same.
20:56 a111 Logged on 2016-12-01 19:25 mircea_popescu: i have personally repaired malfunctioning electronics with a well placed hit to the side.
21:05 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A1CD989C23947B860165C328E98AF5AE44F6F3931126D167976F47CA898F62F5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1717...3577 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.63.164.144 (ssh-rsa key from 200.63.164.144 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (200-63-164-144.static.speedy.com.ar. AR B)
21:05 asciilifeform lol ar
21:13 asciilifeform has world-open postgresql...?
21:13 mircea_popescu soberania.
~ 1 hours 41 minutes ~
22:55 BingoBoingo Also possible Trump want Preet to leave in scandal the next activist prosecution overturned on appeal
22:55 BingoBoingo *wants
23:05 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A1CD989C23947B860165C328E98AF5AE44F6F3931126D167976F47CA898F62F5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1668...1793 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.63.164.144 (ssh-rsa key from 200.63.164.144 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (200-63-164-144.static.speedy.com.ar. AR B)
23:08 BingoBoingo Related http://epmonthly.com/article/treating-chainsaw-laceration-ep-enough/ "The patient claimed that he was given a staple remover and was told to remove the staples in one week. Emergency department staff stated that they gave him a staple remover to bring to his primary care physician to have the staples removed in 12-14 days. The patient removed the staples three days after they had been placed. Two months later, the patient returne
23:08 BingoBoingo d to the emergency department with severe pain, swelling, and warmth to his knee."
← 2016-11-30 | 2016-12-02 →