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00:00 asciilifeform alice_: consider registering your pgp pubkey with deedbot.
00:00 asciilifeform alice_: then you will have voice (unless you bore folks to tears or piss them off.)
00:00 trinque !!help
00:00 deedbot http://deedbot.org/help.html
00:01 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I am sorry for playing with the food.
00:01 alice_ !!register alice
00:01 deedbot Import failed for alice.
00:02 asciilifeform alice_: you register a pgp pubkey fingerprint.
00:02 alice_ so if i have
00:02 alice_ -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: Keybase OpenPGP v2.0.55 Comment: https://keybase.io/crypto xsFNBFevnesBEAC90aLfcq+wrWVKGcQWUd+NmB/0kK7OONd0Tg2OUgfHE2RtZSzG mqgsiAmyPsz+R6B3VwkMd3pBiuAZ8IN/jf0px+iikmo0vvWemsnVTUM0mtyoFecy /qyj1+mwjLrzR7UMDP8789JBwxecY+1fS6k4BQio3gGvmqzGr76sAjTZlIbkPs80 Nr502+QhvfOSjnjFTfQkXrzjrssjJp+jEH0OdkC/UT7H0lCWy957UPklwXlEPnu/ KQbcDoV2HWSEG0hW3Ig7+4qC03Bp0W9Z9lRTYZVIbTnDLJ+z4/J1fMu1EnmZkEKQ aH0SCtgI
00:02 alice_ etc
00:02 trinque ahahaha
00:02 asciilifeform nono
00:02 trinque jesus christ
00:02 asciilifeform the longfp.
00:02 asciilifeform e.g., http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-04#1534224
00:02 a111 Logged on 2016-09-04 21:02 Nivir: $register 4A770EFC84943B04C4001A1D7A788522C8FBE0DA
00:03 trinque prefix changed to !!
00:03 asciilifeform lol keybase.
00:03 asciilifeform $s keybase
00:03 a111 163 results for "keybase", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=keybase
00:03 asciilifeform alice_: why did you give your private key to a buncha strangers ?
00:03 alice_ i don't know what a longfp is
00:04 asciilifeform it looks like, e.g., 4A770EFC84943B04C4001A1D7A788522C8FBE0DA.
00:04 trinque !~step5
00:04 jhvh1 5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
00:04 trinque damned useful, this.
00:04 asciilifeform lel
00:04 alice_ because i never learned how it works and also i've never used that key for anything?
00:04 alice_ assholes
00:05 asciilifeform alice_: it is not too late to learn.
00:05 alice_ also, that's not a private key
00:05 asciilifeform alice_: if you generated it on keybase, they have your private.
00:06 alice_ sure, i wouldn't use it for anything important
00:06 alice_ i've never used a key before
00:07 BingoBoingo <alice_> because i never learned how it works and also i've never used that key for anything? << See how it works <alice_> because i never learned how it works and also i've never used that key for anything?
00:08 asciilifeform alice_: http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it << some introductory material.
00:08 BingoBoingo Sorry, page 58 http://anonpress.org/bb/Page_58.htm
00:10 trinque There are those, too, who suffer from grave emotional and mental disorders, but many of them do recover if they have the capacity to be honest. << does seem that most psychological issues involve deep dishonesty.
00:11 BingoBoingo Sure, then there's Gavin folk who can't be honest
00:25 BingoBoingo !~later tell mircea_popescu alice_ log was solved with a spiritual, not a religious solution
00:25 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
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01:00 ben_vulpes ahaha keybase
01:00 ben_vulpes alice_ brings the real real
01:09 asciilifeform https://github.com/alice0meta/scratch/blob/master/scratch.txt << lulzy
01:10 asciilifeform 'bekas cahlo caris cekla dedna dekik emiak eseik gazok gihza girim gumlu halbo hanka henuh kadut kagzi kakki kamor kehul kisar kizak kofur kohig lopra mesat mesip mezid motka nahso nalic nirsu omiac radil ratis repgi resra rukan siral sorzo tarak tilke zalsi zehaz zekhu zeluz zephu zifin zirez zohip zokmi zonri...'
01:10 asciilifeform i blame mr. mold.
01:12 ben_vulpes > comely.niad
01:12 ben_vulpes https://github.com/alice0meta/scratch/blob/master/scratch.txt#L54 << lol read as "o crap i service"
01:13 ben_vulpes sublime? and braille?
01:13 asciilifeform expert sex change!
01:13 ben_vulpes what even is going on there
01:13 trinque asciilifeform: that might be quite relevant
01:14 asciilifeform lel
01:16 asciilifeform !~google niad
01:16 jhvh1 asciilifeform: NIAD Art Center – Redefining Contemporary Art: <http://niadart.org/>; Roster Of Artists – NIAD Art Center: <http://niadart.org/artists/>; Hours + Directions + Contact – NIAD Art Center: <http://niadart.org/directions/>
01:16 asciilifeform hm.
01:17 ben_vulpes naiad, sorry
01:17 ben_vulpes !~google naiad
01:17 jhvh1 ben_vulpes: Naiad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naiad>; NAIADS (Naiades) - Fresh-Water Nymphs of Greek Mythology: <http://www.theoi.com/Nymphe/Naiades.html>; Naiad Dynamics - Yacht Stabilizers Boat Stabilizers Ship Stabilizer ...: <http://www.naiad.com/>
01:18 asciilifeform we know what is a naiad.
01:18 asciilifeform but not a niad.
01:18 ben_vulpes "not interested in any dick"?
01:18 ben_vulpes niad is a mispelling of something in that scratchpad
01:18 asciilifeform ah
01:19 ben_vulpes my efforts to avoid more pastepocalypsen result in typos
01:21 asciilifeform https://github.com/alice0meta/scratch/blob/master/.abandoned/data%20science/fimscrape.ζ << guess wat, trinque had it.
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01:21 * asciilifeform takes off hat to trinque .
01:23 asciilifeform https://github.com/alice0meta/scratch/blob/master/.abandoned/crypto.ζ << mega-lol
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01:24 asciilifeform 'i never used a key befoar'
01:29 ben_vulpes aaand locked
01:30 ben_vulpes what was that which trinque nailed?
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01:30 asciilifeform https://github.com/alice0meta/scratch/tree/master/.archive/okaylang << for, apparently, ben_vulpes ...
01:31 ben_vulpes weird!
01:32 asciilifeform there's a ~bottomless pit in there.
01:32 ben_vulpes yeah, being not logged into gh makes it work
01:32 asciilifeform waiwat
01:33 ben_vulpes encountering strange, standby one
01:35 ben_vulpes ah
01:35 ben_vulpes yeah fuck that url.
01:35 ben_vulpes and fuck weechat.
01:36 ben_vulpes nothing to see but a pile of hurr
01:42 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535908 << the 'pony' thing.
01:42 a111 Logged on 2016-09-07 05:30 ben_vulpes: what was that which trinque nailed?
01:42 asciilifeform 'fim' is their forum.
01:43 ben_vulpes mhm. eventually figured it out.
01:45 asciilifeform https://github.com/alice0meta/scratch/blob/master/.archive/hydrocarboner/src/main.cpp#L442 << ?!
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01:47 ben_vulpes huffman!
01:52 asciilifeform the sheer ~height~ of this pile, almost approaches my hdd.
01:53 asciilifeform and if i were to post it, i'm not certain that the reaction in readers would be very different from this case.
01:54 * asciilifeform bbl.
02:09 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-03#1335900 << the difference
02:09 a111 Logged on 2015-12-03 16:55 adlai: industrious must be got rid of, for he is too dangerous."
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05:31 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/25735C9524851A27C6B6968F1E24B64A6E2D529B5BF16D96F922E1FF96FFEDF9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 29 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '68.14.242.210 (ssh-rsa key from 68.14.242.210 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+68.14.242.210@mkj.lt>; '
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05:33 Framedragger !#hello
05:33 scriba Hello, world!
05:33 Framedragger kk
05:34 Framedragger phf: thanks for adding scriba btcbase log's list of bots btw
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05:34 Framedragger to*
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05:50 Framedragger !#hello
05:50 scriba Hello, world!
05:59 Framedragger (sorry about log spam - i'll fork the bot into a development branch (new features and bugfix tests) which will run on a separate test channel.)
06:05 Framedragger incidentally, how would one go about doing development across branches in V? or is that fiat fancy to be banished from all that is good? :)
06:06 Framedragger a*
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08:06 Framedragger btw ftr i want to thank punkman for recommending sopel bot (previously willie, if anyone's heard of it) as the core irc bot to be used. it's properly maintained, has clean code and good docs. https://sopel.chat/
08:06 Framedragger i want to try trinque's bot, too, but setting up sbcl etc and making sure things are reliable will have to wait for laters
08:07 shinohai I used a willie bot a long time ago, was rather good
08:21 Framedragger nice
08:21 Framedragger log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160801/bogus
08:21 scriba You need to give me a link to a specific IRC line so it can be quoted. Use either "from:line_number" or an anchor ("#line_number").
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08:38 Framedragger log.mkj.lt/trilema/20100801/#1
08:38 scriba I do not have this date in my logs, I'm afraid.
08:40 mircea_popescu what ever happened to punkman anyway
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09:03 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535949 << went kakotronic
09:03 a111 Logged on 2016-09-07 12:40 mircea_popescu: what ever happened to punkman anyway
09:04 mircea_popescu what's that even.
09:05 mircea_popescu btw, i'm writing a mega-piece on clinical psychiatry. so save yourself an hour this evening.
09:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i.e. 'ideological' #b-a perma-resident.
09:06 mircea_popescu eh.
09:06 * asciilifeform allocates hour.
09:06 mircea_popescu what's the ideology.
09:06 mircea_popescu "we hate X guy" is politics, not ideology. gotta have an idea for to ideology.
09:06 asciilifeform then none.
09:07 Framedragger asciilifeform: thanks for putting words into a person's mouth, i'm sure that did great justice. you call this ideological? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-08-2016#1453186 << i call this just being more critical and reflective
09:08 asciilifeform Framedragger: this is exactly it though.
09:08 asciilifeform kakotronic.
09:09 Framedragger you know, i recall shitty philosophy students dissing entire philosophical works by just calling them "platonic". can't really do justice by generalizing like that, can you now
09:10 Framedragger (in truth, not the best of analogies)
09:11 mircea_popescu anyone mind quoting the source material ?
09:16 Framedragger 16-08-2016
09:17 Framedragger ‏‎asciilifeform:pankkake: the 'can't admit being wrong' thing is quite true, and whether you can afford dealing with mptronics, is very personal matter. so i do not actually disagree, as such, with pankkake.
09:17 Framedragger "i'm more curious re kakobrekla's motivation for withholding any of the info."
09:17 Framedragger "the only possible explanation is that not all of it contributes to the narrative he wants to build."
09:17 Framedragger ‏‎punkman:flimflams: "oops flushed the orderbook again", "oops mispaid dividends again", "HELLO I AM THE CEO OF BITCOIN, HERE IS THE BITCOIN EXAM, oh what do you mean btc addresses don't keep a balance?" "it's not socialized losses, it's btc cartelisation research" "you were being an asshole so I banned your mpex account"
09:18 Framedragger quotation with right-handed text is fucked
09:19 asciilifeform it was lulzy, kako promised 'proof that mircea_popescu is really nigerian' or similar
09:19 Framedragger ftr i haven't made up my mind and a man is more complex than just a binary state machine
09:19 mircea_popescu i am what ?!
09:19 Framedragger haha
09:20 mircea_popescu anyway, so what's the problem ? guy thinks he's on to something, this is the bread and butter of a life of the mind.
09:20 asciilifeform i've tried and failed to convince the fella to write up his 'something'
09:20 Framedragger my frustration with kako is that he doesn't think it's worth the time to write up a coherent narrative from his point of view. i'm sure it'd be useful to have it. maybe it's because it's impossible to have one in that case; maybe not; i for one don't fucking know
09:21 mircea_popescu yeah well, these things take a while. go have einstein write up "his something" the year prior his writing it you know ?
09:21 asciilifeform and hey, i might learn that i also was always nigerian?
09:21 Framedragger :D
09:21 mircea_popescu this is fucking absurd, not like guy never saw me ? wtf.
09:22 mircea_popescu is the idea here that "whatever, we've already fucked ourselves with anyone with a clue, might as well say things that'd perhaps persuade a fraction of anyone else" ? or what, is "nigerian" more of a state of mind than a state of pigmentation ?
09:22 asciilifeform mind
09:23 Framedragger totally sure it was meant with "mind". it's kinda gotten out of hand and is imho not constructive; i mean, to keep to this narrative but not put it into (coherent stream of) words
09:23 asciilifeform as i understand, he now disbelieves in all of mircea_popescu that he had not personally seen
09:23 mircea_popescu heh sure, anyone can be anything etc. whatevs.
09:23 mircea_popescu to get back to it, "i am suspicious of this mp fellow" is not an ideology ; nor in itself much of a problem.
09:24 thestringpuller ;;later tell diana_coman RE: our conversation of engines >> http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/KevinNormann/20160412/270186/Game_Engines_Past_Present_and_Future.php
09:24 asciilifeform the really depressing bit about kako is that he floats in a vacuum now.
09:24 mircea_popescu Framedragger it's trauma, dude. he did what he earnestly believed was right at the time ; turns out to have been entirely and unmitigatedly wrong. this is catastrophic, and especially so in poorly socialized, introverted, intelligent males. now gotta reevaluate everything, the evaluations often don't come out meaningful, the correct alternatives are frequently perceived as alf-impossible, it's a mess.
09:24 asciilifeform i suggested various constructive lines of work to him, and (mega-unsurprise) it did not help.
09:26 Framedragger mircea_popescu: don't disagree with your characterization. but i don't think the "entirely and unmitigatedly wrong" is objectively / necessarily the case. mining konspiracy, i don't know, mircea. but at this point i'm too out of the loop for the "i" to be mean anything here.
09:26 mircea_popescu ftr : my "fuck you, you may not be poor and be here" is not (as i'm certain oft perceived, because why the fuck not, it's easier) simply mp-superby. it is a strict and absolute necessity for one's own mental health.
09:26 Framedragger to mean*
09:26 mircea_popescu this is BECAUSE people who are poor often lack the specific sort of sophistication that will keep them from falling in that exact hole.
09:26 asciilifeform eh the fella is richer than , e.g., asciilifeform
09:27 Framedragger asciilifeform: this is prolly again one of those "mind" things
09:28 mircea_popescu i dunno what it is ; but the risk is certainly there.
09:28 asciilifeform Framedragger: in case you didn't know - kako sits on a tall pile of earlyadoptronium (and also bbetronium)
09:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform as a model, i propose to you that there's no substantial difference between this and say your bizarro position re llvm yest.
09:28 mircea_popescu not in its substance, MIND YOU
09:28 mircea_popescu in its expression.
09:28 asciilifeform he doesn't work for money and doesn't, as i understand, ever intend to.
09:29 mircea_popescu i have slaves who also don't ; so has the welfare state. this doesn't makethem "richer than x". they are the 0 of poor.
09:29 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: my position came from a substantial stint of actual study and experiment with llvm.
09:29 mircea_popescu so yes, in this sense, it IS a "mind thing"
09:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes, but your expression of that position came from five minutes of being a teenage boy alone.
09:30 Framedragger http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:569/to:569#569 << interesting - but i agree with mircea_popescu here that it's not entirely relevant, as it's not meant in that sense. but, interesting
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09:30 scriba Logged on 2016-09-07: [13:28:09] <asciilifeform> Framedragger: in case you didn't know - kako sits on a tall pile of earlyadoptronium (and also bbetronium)
09:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu is invited to write article where llvm is described eloquently ..
09:31 mircea_popescu yeah sure, soon as apple's check clears.
09:31 jurov https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/51gjs3/hillary_just_vomited_snot_into_a_glass_then_drank/
09:31 asciilifeform but i have nfi how to fit it in 1 line as other than 'elaborate work of evil, baited mousetrap.'
09:32 mircea_popescu i'm not trying to repress you! i'm just using things.
09:32 mircea_popescu it's not "x was wrong, bad alfie!" it's "well review how x worked and it'll offer a model for how y works"
09:32 asciilifeform lel
09:33 asciilifeform jurov: mega-disappoint! where is the vomit?
09:34 mircea_popescu Framedragger the miner conspiracy is in no way related to any of this ; however. if you recall, that disagreement as such resulted in entirely no friction.
09:35 Framedragger oh really? interesting. but in http://trilema.com/2016/the-greatly-anticipated-bitbet-sbbet-february-2016-statement/ there is that "Cost of doing business in Bitcoin : 17.94766149 BTC"
09:36 mircea_popescu if someone shouts "down with the government" and then tries to grab a policeman's gun, he will be prosecuted ; and he will obviously claim "it's political". nevertheless...
09:36 mircea_popescu Framedragger sure. businesses will on occasion run into unexpected costs. this is a fact of [business] life.
09:37 asciilifeform his position was, and afaik remains, ' mircea_popescu's misconfiguted btctron blew away 17+, he should pay ' etc.
09:37 asciilifeform *configured
09:37 mircea_popescu and this is, as you notice, entirely divorced from that.
09:38 asciilifeform i do not yet notice?
09:38 Framedragger wasn't the whole point of it that kako disagreed of you attempting to charge bbet money for spending money twice (ironically, zero fee tx will be more difficult with no block size increase - which i'm against, too). that this was not in the gpg contract. so he did not sign bbet statement. and then bbet proceeded to be liquidated. you also disabled his mpex account for an unsigned comment on qntra or wherever which did not breach any clau
09:38 Framedragger se of the gpg contract, but that's separate, too, i guess
09:38 mircea_popescu that it's a smoothly working machinery, where escalation was tried and failed and then tried and failed and then and failed AND THEN TRIED!!! and failed does not excuse one from pretending "the last step" is "because the first step".
09:39 mircea_popescu there bowls of "fuck me, i'm stupid" to be eaten at every juncture. perhaps of increasing size, it is true, but there nevertheless.
09:39 mircea_popescu the anal child's "you didn't buy me my toy so it's your fault i'm a junkie" only works in the mind of the anal child.
09:39 asciilifeform i happen to think that kako was a bloody fool for signing up for '0 asset corp'
09:40 asciilifeform it is like that no-fat lab mouse
09:40 asciilifeform if you forget to feed it just once...
09:40 asciilifeform or it gets excited and runs a little too long
09:41 mircea_popescu Framedragger not only separate, but entirely nobody's concern. i can ban anyone for any reason or for no reason and i offer no explanations. this is how, you know, your bank works, also.
09:41 asciilifeform i did point this to him.
09:41 mircea_popescu aaaanyway.
09:41 * mircea_popescu goes back to his article.
09:42 * asciilifeform goes back to his unspeakable horrors.
09:43 Framedragger mircea_popescu: absolutely. and at the same time you can understand why a bunch of people do not intend to hold any money with you ("these people have money?!" - mp laughs), because even if the "ban" is legit, it doesn't exactly inspire things.
09:43 * Framedragger goes back to $job :(
09:43 trinque are we back to opining on a man's private business decisions like it's reddit or what
09:45 Framedragger that's a ridiculous slippery slope; street thieves also run private business enterprises in that respect, i suppose
09:45 asciilifeform oh but in other noose, https://sourceforge.net/p/pupnp/bugs/133
09:45 * Framedragger stops fruitless antagonising
09:45 asciilifeform (upnp) 'There is a heap buffer overflow vulnerability in the create_url_list function in upnp/src/gena/gena_device.c. I first discovered this vulnerability when working with version 1.6.19 and have confirmed that it also exists in the latest code on the master branch.'
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09:46 asciilifeform ^ asciilifeform knew the fella reporting subj bug in meatspace
09:47 trinque Framedragger: your mouth runs a bit, you know.
09:47 Framedragger asciilifeform: ah...fuck. lol. RCE possible. good times
09:47 Framedragger trinque: it happens
09:48 asciilifeform this ain't the first upnpism either
09:48 asciilifeform we burned it out of trb with hot irons, first thing, for a reason.
09:49 asciilifeform https://archive.is/bqIzy << cached copy for mircea_popescu et al.
09:53 pete_dushenski http://archive.is/W1LdS << $1.3bn airdropped by bahamas in tehran. there's your inflation, folks. there too is your 'no one cancelled cash' (tm)(r)
09:56 pete_dushenski in other news, my best tenants of all time are leaving at the end of the month. a sadness is me. i give chances of equally quiet, punctual, respectful couple 2:1 against
09:57 pete_dushenski that alice_ was a character. much log skipping.
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09:59 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535808 << heh. first xtian bible, then alkie's bible, spinoza's ethics next ?
09:59 a111 Logged on 2016-09-07 03:46 jhvh1: 5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
10:04 pete_dushenski http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3800/3800-h/3800-h.htm#chap04 << having the propositions from part iv in jhvh1 's repertoire would be mega-lulzy
10:07 mircea_popescu while doing research, http://trilema.com/2014/on-periphery-and-the-peripheral-ephemerides-are-also-mentioned/#selection-71.0-77.0
10:07 mircea_popescu nothing quite like old articles i swears.
10:08 mircea_popescu Framedragger eh, right. they'll go to coinbase instead. like before, there's a reason for that "these people have money?!" - mp laughs ; and the reason is that people who have money either do better research than this or else soon enough don't have money.
10:08 mircea_popescu which has been, of course, a point throughout these many many years.
10:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i thought gena was a test suite.
10:09 mircea_popescu ah nm, it's just an enumerator etc for "internet of things" nonsense.
10:10 pete_dushenski "Firstly, you see ? Firstly, how you convince the girls you're a Casanova riding two stallions. Then, how you lose your virginity. In that order.
10:10 pete_dushenski " << lelz
10:15 * pete_dushenski back to researching moving co's
10:18 mircea_popescu ). ))).
10:18 mircea_popescu god damned. only on trilema ;/
10:22 trinque getting lispy over there mp?
10:23 Framedragger mircea_popescu: (fair enough, i understand your viewpoint here)
10:24 mircea_popescu these damned notes!
10:24 mircea_popescu they're a buggy implementation of half of common lisp!
10:24 Framedragger in other news, znc took more time to reconnect upon connection failure than i want it to take. gonna improve things.
10:25 trinque Framedragger: I'll be writing up the whole deployment and hosting side of things sometime today.
10:26 trinque and an example command service
10:26 trinque choosing the stack I did was born of experience
10:36 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1536057 << the git link was a brainmelter tho.
10:36 a111 Logged on 2016-09-07 13:57 pete_dushenski: that alice_ was a character. much log skipping.
10:36 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535905 << even had own bignumatron.
10:36 a111 Logged on 2016-09-07 05:23 asciilifeform: https://github.com/alice0meta/scratch/blob/master/.abandoned/crypto.ζ << mega-lol
10:37 asciilifeform oops
10:37 asciilifeform wrong link
10:37 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535923 .
10:37 a111 Logged on 2016-09-07 05:45 asciilifeform: https://github.com/alice0meta/scratch/blob/master/.archive/hydrocarboner/src/main.cpp#L442 << ?!
10:38 asciilifeform i can picture some nut in a jail cell, to whom they gave a computer. for 20 years. and we get this.
10:38 asciilifeform bool fucks(i64 p) ...
10:39 trinque brony davis
10:40 asciilifeform davis is a respectable man !11111
10:40 asciilifeform wrote actual os that runs on actual iron
10:40 asciilifeform not jsolade.
10:43 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535929 << cable modem. arizona.
10:43 a111 Logged on 2016-09-07 06:09 a111: Logged on 2015-12-03 16:55 adlai: industrious must be got rid of, for he is too dangerous."
10:43 asciilifeform argh, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535930
10:43 a111 Logged on 2016-09-07 09:31 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/25735C9524851A27C6B6968F1E24B64A6E2D529B5BF16D96F922E1FF96FFEDF9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 29 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '68.14.242.210 (ssh-rsa key from 68.14.242.210 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+68.14.242.210@mkj.lt>; '
10:44 asciilifeform https://68.14.242.210/login_en295 << for extra lulz.
10:45 asciilifeform http://creative-manager.com << subj ?
10:46 asciilifeform 'WELCOME TO The #1 Project Management Software for the Creative Industry Introducing Workamajig Platinum, the all-in-one solution for your creative team.'
10:47 asciilifeform https://www.gta.com << who made his firewall thing.
10:47 asciilifeform 'Introducing our most powerful firewall UTM appliance - the GB-2600 UTM firewall. The new firewall appliance is powered by a 3.5 Ghz Intel i3 Dual Core CPU, with 4GB of RAM, 8GB static memory storage and provides 6 fully configurable gigabit network interfaces with the option of adding multiple 10G network interfaces. Enhanced Virtual Private Networking with hardware acceleration is standard on the GB-2600.' << but apparently 29 divi
10:47 asciilifeform des its rsa key...
10:47 asciilifeform 'GB-OS has standard UTM features which can be augmented with subscription options that enhance the firewall capabilities. ' << can chump buy a working rng??
10:49 asciilifeform http://www.cvedetails.com/product/2275/Global-Technology-Associates-Gnat-Box-Firmware.html?vendor_id=1304 ( https://archive.is/HoCmE ) << nadia heninger NOT mentioned...
10:49 asciilifeform i guess she only does bad-rng, and not absent-primality-test...
10:49 asciilifeform or wat.
10:50 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/700B8BCB736ABB90FBD44CF67F97D08BC607249723DCD55DBC2A7CD36C495D4E << earlier pop with IDENTICAL KEY
10:51 asciilifeform (the latter box is sadly now dead)
10:51 trinque dhcp?
10:51 asciilifeform nfi
10:52 asciilifeform 68.14.242.210 is running openssh 6.6 btw.
10:53 mod6 <+asciilifeform> we burned it out of trb with hot irons, first thing, for a reason. << werd. thx.
10:59 asciilifeform in other lulz, https://archive.is/TnGrv -- 'For a while it looked as if the situation could escalate. A Justice Department lawyer representing the NSA demanded that Gilmore surrender his illegal copies and threatened that the NSA might send its own operatives, or FBI agents, to seize Friedman’s proofs from Gilmore. The cypherpunks were worried — especially Gilmore’s lawyer, Lee Tien. They were worried not just for their own per
10:59 asciilifeform sonal freedom, but for the freedom of the country. At academic crypto conferences, rumors were making the rounds that the NSA had already raided the New York Public Library and reclassified documents that used to be public, and that in 1983 they had already removed Friedman’s personal correspondence from public access...'
11:02 asciilifeform or lulzy sealandisms, 'One of HavenCo’s main investors, Avi Friedman, was worried about the Y2K problem, so he withdrew about $2 million in cash, in $100 bills, and kept the cash at home. He doled out $1,500 at a time, to make minimum payments. Lackey started using his own credit cards, spending ever more money that he didn’t have.'
11:02 * asciilifeform wonders whether this actually happened
~ 16 minutes ~
11:18 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535934 << i also added your links to crossref ( for example the little hand here, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1536009 )
11:18 a111 Logged on 2016-09-07 09:34 Framedragger: phf: thanks for adding scriba btcbase log's list of bots btw
11:18 a111 Logged on 2016-09-07 13:30 Framedragger: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:569/to:569#569 << interesting - but i agree with mircea_popescu here that it's not entirely relevant, as it's not meant in that sense. but, interesting
11:18 scriba Logged on 2016-09-07: [13:28:09] <asciilifeform> Framedragger: in case you didn't know - kako sits on a tall pile of earlyadoptronium (and also bbetronium)
11:19 phf kek
11:19 mircea_popescu lol. phf let each bot do its own.
11:20 phf mircea_popescu: well, i want the arrows to still work, so i explicitly ignore his for quoting
11:20 * shinohai still prefers readability of phf's logs, no offense to Framedragger
11:20 * asciilifeform also
11:20 mircea_popescu well ok but you can't have each bot read each line in chat what is this.
11:20 phf but there's a nifty way to bring down both bots, which i think i should fix asap
11:20 trinque ehehe
11:20 asciilifeform phf: i did think about this.
11:21 trinque also
11:21 asciilifeform mutually-recursive barf
11:21 mircea_popescu if people reference your thing, let your bot read it ; if people reference his let his bot read it.
11:21 mircea_popescu you can count references any way you please, that's an unrelated matter
11:21 phf mircea_popescu: that's not the problem above though
11:21 mircea_popescu oh it recursed ?
11:22 phf a111 quoted the two btcbase urls. one of the urls contained mkj url, so scriba quoted that
11:22 mircea_popescu this is actually not bad.
11:22 asciilifeform phf: neato
11:22 phf unless you post a mutually recursive url (one that contains both links at the same time and references another one that contains both)
11:23 mircea_popescu if you do that i'll ban you, how about that.
11:23 mircea_popescu the problem is that as discussion progresses, there will be genuine references that are very long./
11:23 mircea_popescu i think best would be if phf Framedragger and everyone ever running a log bot limits the number of lines the bot will read without interruption from human to three.
11:24 mircea_popescu for the needs of this, however, we'd have to keep a list of bots, which is mildly obnoxious.
11:25 mircea_popescu #trilema, at the forefront of ai research.
11:26 shinohai All jhvh1 wants is to be sure you have a working copy of trb when X-Day comes
11:32 phf actually looking at code i'm already using my bot list to ignore bot messages when annotating, which is not the best behavior
11:33 phf http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:680/to:680#680
11:33 scriba Logged on 2016-09-07: [15:18:47] <phf> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535934 << i also added your links to crossref ( for example the little hand here, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1536009 )
11:36 phf ftr ("assbot" "gribble" "lobbesbot" "deedbot" "a111" "a111``" "scriba" "jhvh1")
11:37 asciilifeform what's a111`` ?
11:37 asciilifeform and assbot dun live here, and neither, afaik, lobbesbot
11:38 phf the list is also used to grey out messages from bots on btcbase, so it should contain all the historic bots too
11:38 mircea_popescu lobbesbot lives in #eulora ; lobbes- did it.
11:39 mircea_popescu but yes, we cameto a crossroad, where ai denizens are actually a significant enough portion of the republic's cohorts.
11:39 shinohai Is tb0t not included in list?
11:39 phf shinohai: it is now
11:40 shinohai o7
11:42 mircea_popescu "all ais are subject to registration. any ai found without proper registration will be destroyed."
11:43 * shinohai chisels this into republic law stones
11:43 Framedragger ah! lol. in relation to mutual recursion, scriba won't repeat same line forever, fwiw; it will switch to "..."; but mutual destruction hasn't been empirically tested, so heh.
11:43 Framedragger i'm not sure regarding explicit list of bots for each bot for good citizenry / collaboration purposes, but as phf said his bot already does that, kinda.
11:43 Framedragger (if same irc nick invokes same line multiple lines that line won't be repeated foreva; so there's that)
11:44 Framedragger believe it or not bot writers (scriba just piggybacks on a general bot) think about these things, sometimes :p
11:44 Framedragger of course a mutual recursive *chain* could maybe be constructed....
11:45 Framedragger regarding readability, yah /me prefers phf's html too, i think :D i'll see about it after more important things are taken care of; but it's prolly good to have different designs, too.
11:46 Framedragger and yeah cool stuff phf
11:48 Framedragger only question right now, is this http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:698/to:700#698 a good thing - i think that it's not bad, too
11:48 scriba Logged on 2016-09-07: [1/3] [15:21:52] <mircea_popescu> oh it recursed ?
11:48 scriba [2/3] [15:22:03] <phf> a111 quoted the two btcbase urls. one of the urls contained mkj url, so scriba quoted that
11:48 scriba [3/3] [15:22:14] <mircea_popescu> this is actually not bad.
11:50 mircea_popescu Framedragger i think it should only work in pm.
11:50 Framedragger hmm good point, there's pm, too
11:51 mircea_popescu or maybe i should have a way to direct it, i guess, http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:698/to:700#698 > alf then he pms that to alf.
11:51 scriba Logged on 2016-09-07: [1/3] [15:21:52] <mircea_popescu> oh it recursed ?
11:51 scriba [2/3] [15:22:03] <phf> a111 quoted the two btcbase urls. one of the urls contained mkj url, so scriba quoted that
11:51 scriba [3/3] [15:22:14] <mircea_popescu> this is actually not bad.
11:51 mircea_popescu whoops.
11:51 Framedragger yah.
11:51 mircea_popescu though honestly, i'm not sure why it's useful, other than you liking it. people routinely read around linked items.
11:51 Framedragger makes sense to me
11:52 mircea_popescu or at least they'd god damned better.
11:52 Framedragger i guess it has a socialist bent to it - i thought - noobs won't read actual logs so might as well quote what's actually needed; and, it is useful for when it's just a couple of lines. but it does add to the thickness of logz.
11:53 phf Framedragger: also i did notice that utc+3 to utc shift midday ;)
11:53 mircea_popescu Framedragger we don't cater to stupid.
11:53 Framedragger phf: ...yeah. i wanted to switch to utc so changed environment settings for when it next restarted and then it restarted sooner than expected. SUCH ENGINEERING :/
11:54 Framedragger i'll have to re-do the whole dates/times thing anyway once i move to postgres, which i want to do anyway
11:54 Framedragger it's the proper way.
11:56 Framedragger btw this is such $s il n'y a pas de hors-texte
11:56 Framedragger !!s il n'y a pas de hors-texte
11:56 Framedragger and a bit of simulacra&simulation vibe, too
11:57 Framedragger !!s s il n'y a pas de hors-texte
11:57 Framedragger "i recall this being mentioned before" (tm)
11:58 mircea_popescu !!search hors-texte
11:58 mircea_popescu da fuck anymore.
11:58 Framedragger there should be a bot which gives help about bots
11:59 phf clippybot
12:00 Framedragger IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE BUILDING A REPUBLIC
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12:00 Framedragger Would you like help?
12:00 Framedragger * Get help slaughtering the mafia states
12:00 Framedragger * Proofread your declaration of independence
12:01 shinohai LOL
12:01 shinohai !~bash 5
12:01 jhvh1 Last 5 lines bashed and pending publication
12:02 mircea_popescu jhvh1 i mean shinohai : is there a web for your bash ?
12:02 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Error: "i" is not a valid command.
12:02 * mircea_popescu likes to lol.
12:03 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-06#1535083
12:03 a111 Logged on 2016-09-06 16:31 mircea_popescu: lol! review the history. the bar in 2016 is "make a bot" ; the bar in 2014 was "get a gpg key".
12:03 shinohai There will be soon on bit-box, got to add one more thing to make it update properly.
12:03 mircea_popescu kk
12:04 trinque Framedragger: ftr I don't subscribe to the "bot checks to make sure it doesn't resend lines" party
12:04 trinque wtf is telling it to?
12:04 trinque fix that
12:05 trinque pretty soon you've got a onanismd
12:06 Framedragger trinque: you mean, it's okay for bot to keep repeating same line requested by same person in quick succession? hm maybe
12:07 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-19#1525010
12:07 a111 Logged on 2016-08-19 09:25 Framedragger: "butt sex, too"
12:07 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-19#1525010
12:07 a111 Logged on 2016-08-19 09:25 Framedragger: "butt sex, too"
12:07 trinque beat the idiot
12:07 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-19#1525010
12:07 a111 Logged on 2016-08-19 09:25 Framedragger: "butt sex, too"
12:07 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-19#1525010
12:07 a111 Logged on 2016-08-19 09:25 Framedragger: "butt sex, too"
12:07 trinque what, you need me to negrate you to make the point? calm down
12:08 Framedragger i was just testing
12:08 Framedragger trinque: ok maybe. but the restriction is an easy way of trapping some non-halting scenarions
12:09 * Framedragger off for now, sorry for pollution; good day for the logs
12:09 trinque cheers
~ 20 minutes ~
12:29 asciilifeform in other noose, 70.33.211.11 (yes, 1 box) has been ddosing trb nodes, in particular zoolag.
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12:29 asciilifeform 1000s of connections /sec.
12:29 asciilifeform https://cancoin.co << owner.
12:30 asciilifeform well, dosing.
12:30 asciilifeform no 'd'.
12:31 shinohai "mulit-sig sekooooority!"
12:32 asciilifeform at one time i considered adding, e.g., rate limiter, to trb, but decided that it is not the Right Thing.
12:34 * trinque echoed asciilifeform's nothing for showing up sentiment just above
12:35 asciilifeform trinque: 'nothing for showing up' is quite physically impossible with tcp.
12:36 asciilifeform and with nonwotronic net.
12:36 trinque aha
12:37 asciilifeform the correct way to - while we still must - run traditional bitcoin, is with a wotronic net having 1,001 'tendrils' into heathendom (conventional nodes).
12:37 asciilifeform conventional in the 'trb as we now have it' sense.
12:38 asciilifeform the kind that accepts tcp conns from all-comers.
12:39 phf can also implement some kind of nerfing with iptables, using -m limit --limit n/s. there's also a stateful --seconds m --hitcount n
12:40 phf !~bible matthew 22:21
12:40 jhvh1 phf: [KJV] Matthew 22:21 :: They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
12:40 asciilifeform !~bible matthew 10:34
12:40 jhvh1 asciilifeform: [KJV] Matthew 10:34 :: Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
12:41 phf :D
12:41 asciilifeform !~fortune
12:41 jhvh1 asciilifeform: Error: "fortune" is not a valid command.
12:41 asciilifeform eh.
12:42 phf also need shakespeare and imdb quotes database
12:43 phf !~joke #15
12:43 jhvh1 phf: Error: "joke" is not a valid command.
12:48 mircea_popescu imdb quotes ?! srsly ?!
12:48 * asciilifeform would rather not
12:50 asciilifeform phf: ip ban is also problematic in the sense that enemy can easily spoof any number of faux SYNs from, e.g., my box, to yours
12:50 phf that was an efnet joke
12:50 asciilifeform plaintext 'all-comers' net is not a thing long for this world.
12:51 shinohai asciilifeform !~bible matthew 10:34 <<< this is why I said alf is a vengeful god, no better than Jehovah
12:51 phf sort of how back in eggdrop days people would load tons of 3rd party plugins into their bot making it both unstable and exploitable. there was always some buffer overflow in !fart or somesuch
12:52 shinohai eggdrop had a *telnet* server ffs
12:52 mircea_popescu o hey, exactly how wordpress is intended to work!
12:53 phf i
12:54 phf err, my memory doesn't go further out, but i suspect eggdrop was first case of wordpress plugin ecosystem with similar implications
12:55 trinque nah, windows was released earlier
12:55 trinque zing!
12:57 trinque they apparently jammed JS into eggdrop in 2002. ahead of its time.
12:57 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/wPpuN << in other amerilulz
12:59 trinque anarchists protesting lenient govt sentencing, lul
12:59 asciilifeform quite the circus.
13:00 asciilifeform esp. considering that if you show up with so much as a slingshot in public, but for some non-usg-approved reason, you will at the very least be relieved of your valuables (incl. slingshot) by police.
13:02 deedbot http://trilema.com/2016/superficial-ustardian-onanism-suto/ << Trilema - Superficial UsTardian Onanism (SUTO)
13:02 hanbot (from mircea_popescu's latest) "A: A tulpa can think independantly from its creator, can have different opinions, views, tastes, etc. from its creator, provide companionship, talk directly to anyone inside the same body (including its creator and other tulpas), control and manipulate the physical body like you, recall the memories that you have if you give them the permission and more, but basically a tulpa is a conscious mind like you and can do the
13:02 hanbot same things like you can." desperately need moar accounts stupidity
13:03 asciilifeform https://archive.is/M3Q7D << from fishwrap linked earlier. 'Denmark pays up to £1m for documents from anonymous source and plans to investigate up to 600 Danes who may have evaded tax.'
13:03 asciilifeform 'Denmark has become the first country in the world to apparently buy data from the Panama Papers leak, and now plans to investigate whether 500-600 Danes who feature in the offshore archive may have evaded tax. Denmark’s tax minister, Karsten Lauritzen, said he will pay up to DKK9m (£1m) for the information, which comes from the Panamanian law firm Mossack Fonseca. He said an anonymous source approached the Danish government over
13:03 asciilifeform the summer.'
13:06 * asciilifeform digs in to 'suto' piece
13:08 * mircea_popescu grins
13:14 asciilifeform the 'tulpa' thing inescapably reminds me of zweig's 'schachnovelle'
13:15 mircea_popescu it inescapably reminds me of the insane asylum.
13:15 asciilifeform noshit.jpg
13:15 mircea_popescu loads of folks there with various "tulpae"
13:16 asciilifeform but in the past not so many folks wanted to enter that state voluntarily.
13:16 mircea_popescu in the past many folks also had better options.
13:17 asciilifeform and the 'tulpists' do not ?
13:18 asciilifeform btw, 'alice_' (reddit) -- 'I am a tulpa created by a roughly similar process. Except in this case I took over from my creator and she died.' ( https://archive.is/AVQbD )
13:20 trinque http://trilema.com/2015/peripateticists-kinda-except-girls-not-boys-bare-cunt-instead-of-toga-and-walking-around-the-house-not-the-garden-but-otherwise-exactly-the-same/ << y'know they'll say all this then drown the kids in the bathtub
13:20 trinque funny creatures
13:21 asciilifeform waiwat
13:21 trinque being a killer is not absent in women, though they'll deny it with fuzzy bunnies all day long
13:22 asciilifeform killing per se is a normal and healthy thing.
13:22 trinque ofc
13:23 asciilifeform and there are millions now walking who ought to have drowned in tub.
13:23 asciilifeform not mega-seekrit.
13:23 trinque also in mp's article there; teh culture is broken
13:36 trinque http://archive.is/VK3FS << this is too much
13:38 shinohai I never realized such level of retardation existed.
13:45 asciilifeform shinohai: it ~doesn't.
13:45 asciilifeform these are folk who got bored with the usual retardation (because it is deadly boring, even to practitioners) and tried to invent 'new' types.
13:50 hanbot heh, seems mircea_popescu and diana_coman co-own the term "pluriously", as per google
13:54 asciilifeform e plurious unum !11111
13:57 asciilifeform 'His attitude towards Andresen, the public, the poor and the residents of Mali is despicable. ... Because most of us likely have hosted wallets somewhere, the decision will be largely out of the general public's hands, though.' << gold. how did i miss this.
13:58 asciilifeform 'Bitcoin's marketing is predicated on poor "third world country" people adopting it for remittances. A high transaction fee network will come across as a betrayal. It is not something the powers that be will risk.' << didjaknow.
~ 17 minutes ~
14:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no fucking way ?!
14:15 asciilifeform which
14:16 mircea_popescu alice reddit.
14:16 asciilifeform it was where i found it!
14:16 mircea_popescu these were, believe it or not, unrelated strands.
14:16 asciilifeform it wrote to me (reddit has a pm thing)
14:16 asciilifeform and i reflexively mailed it back phuctor 'contact' link (~all of my 'fan mail' is phuctor-related these days)
14:18 mircea_popescu aaanyway.
14:19 * mircea_popescu very much welcomes criticism / improvement / further research of teh suto.
14:19 asciilifeform i ended up, to my woe, looking up the 'pony' thing trinque mentioned, there are ~0 actual females there btw.
14:20 asciilifeform which is lulzy because the thing at its root is some american cartoon about (all-female!) unicorns.
14:21 asciilifeform who were originally a plastic toy, and the maker commissioned a 'toyetic' (actual term of art) tv show to market it with.
14:21 asciilifeform sorta how 'adventures of gummi bears' happened in 1980s.
14:22 asciilifeform (there was a ru translation! and no one had any fucking notion that there ever existed the candy, much less that it preceded that children's cartoon.)
14:23 mircea_popescu what pony thing ?
14:23 mircea_popescu oh, i thought you meant ponygirls. iirc "brony" was for a while years ago a pedo rally cry.
14:23 mircea_popescu much like habbo hotel worked a decade prior.
14:24 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535770 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535767 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535903 .
14:24 a111 Logged on 2016-09-07 03:27 trinque: afaik you identify as a pony or some shit
14:24 a111 Logged on 2016-09-07 03:27 trinque: https://www.google.com/images?q=alice0meta << brony
14:24 a111 Logged on 2016-09-07 05:21 asciilifeform: https://github.com/alice0meta/scratch/blob/master/.abandoned/data%20science/fimscrape.ζ << guess wat, trinque had it.
14:24 thestringpuller spells of genesis joins the hype train: https://news.bitcoin.com/spells-genesis-mainstream-success/
14:25 mircea_popescu no, you don't "identify as a pony". you pretend to be interested in a preteen cartoon show because a) trying to talk with preteens online and b) if you do it enough maybe it normalizes.
14:25 trinque the cover theory makes a great deal of sense.
14:26 mircea_popescu thestringpuller because totally skinning a product is innovation now.
14:26 thestringpuller at least its pretty
14:26 asciilifeform ζζζζζζ!111111
14:27 mircea_popescu remarkably enough, the don't mention the ~only bitcoin game worth the mention other than eulora, that being a tale in the desert.
14:27 mircea_popescu aaanwyay, roger ver and friends, doomed by stupidity.
14:28 thestringpuller well tale of the desert isn't bitcoin based. that's a knights tale by the same guy
14:28 mircea_popescu a right right.
14:28 thestringpuller also a tale in the desert gets REALLY boring
14:28 mircea_popescu same engine.
14:28 thestringpuller but it's crafting system is unprecedented.
14:29 thestringpuller but who am i to judge "boring" the countless hours watching tv to kill time while waitng to get in an FFXI party to play for like maybe 30 minutes of combat
14:30 * mircea_popescu finds magic the gathering and clones boring, for that matter.
14:30 thestringpuller anyhow. the srs MTG crowd actually think SoG is a joke, it may pull some player, but there's no point.
14:30 shinohai Wasn't "Spells of Genesis" another Voorhees enterprise?
14:30 thestringpuller i think that's why it pivoted to arcade game with "card battle system"
14:30 mircea_popescu which is exactly what i meant above. really, they skinned someone else's thing ?
14:30 asciilifeform ftr, the ζ thing almost led me to wonder if 'alice' wasn't an educational experiment created by mircea_popescu .
14:31 asciilifeform punishment, for my sins.
14:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i had no hand in any of this!
14:31 asciilifeform (per the 'orc symbols' and 'cheap sybils' threads!111)
14:31 asciilifeform aite.
14:31 mircea_popescu and i'm still reeling from the tulpa coincidence.
14:32 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: skinned someone else's thing << Just cause facebook lined up a billion idiots. And WoW poached MTG pkayers for "Hearthstone", kinda just biomass going from time waster to time waster
14:32 mircea_popescu it is strictly possible that ~all the facebook/reddit/etc "profiles" belong to a single person.
14:32 asciilifeform it is apparently a fad in yudkowskian 'rationalist' (yes) circles.
14:32 mircea_popescu thestringpuller i actually checked out hearthstone. it's fucking boring i dunno how they 15yo manages
14:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what is ?
14:33 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: imagine you're a millennial raised on an ipad and your attention span lasts maybe 1 page of a normal novel.
14:33 mircea_popescu how am i going to imagine that
14:33 thestringpuller Imagine you're the ipad!
14:33 thestringpuller XD
14:33 mircea_popescu lol
14:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the massive stash in the git, of 'this program is written in 'vrelta', which is written in 'ukuku, resting in all its pride and glory' is not shannonized. i am satisfied that it is the multi-year product of genuine madness.
14:34 mircea_popescu how did you achieve this satisfaction ?
14:34 thestringpuller this imo is why the state of gaming is where it is. Games have become "babysitters", rather than quality toys.
14:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: largely by familiarity with the process. i personally grew up doing it. and this is 3rd example i run into publicly to date (others being mr mold and terry davis.)
14:35 ben_vulpes subject of ipad, apple is picking a fight with the 3.5mm audio jack
14:35 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: old noose.
14:35 thestringpuller ben_vulpes: They trynna to patent it cause "Square" et. al?
14:35 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: ever since koreans came out with the watertight pnoje , demonstratively shipped in a jar of water, crapple threatened same
14:36 mircea_popescu ah this finally happened ?
14:36 asciilifeform the korean one happened years ago
14:36 asciilifeform but iirc it still had a jack, with a rubber stopper
14:37 asciilifeform !!s ampoule phone
14:37 mircea_popescu for anyone who spent childhood around kids comparing the "waterproofness" of their watches, by meter depth - esp kids who never went into water
14:37 asciilifeform $s ampoule phone
14:37 a111 1 result for "ampoule phone", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ampoule%20phone
14:37 mircea_popescu that the same will occur to "smart" phones was expected.
14:37 thestringpuller ben_vulpes: from what it sounds like they can't make money on the 3.5mm jack, so they gonna make a USB lightning adapter?!?!?
14:37 thestringpuller "If you have a favourite pair of older earphones or headphones, you can plug them into the Lightning or USB-C jack with a little adapter. Some will have splitters so that you can charge your phone and plug in headphones simultaneously." << what the actual fuck
14:37 ben_vulpes "why ditch analog stereo headphone jacks? well, we're still smarting from losing the firewire/usb format war, so we're going to pick a fight with a defacto industry standard."
14:38 asciilifeform ah so no ampoule phone yet.
14:38 mircea_popescu "older" being the keyword. what happened to you know, "better".
14:38 asciilifeform just a 'let's make proprietary jack' thing.
14:38 asciilifeform so 1990s.
14:38 trinque they're gonna beam microwaves through your skull moar now
14:38 thestringpuller I don't understand it, cause bluetooth traditionally sucks for audio fidelity
14:39 asciilifeform bluetooth sucked from the 'pairing' thing.
14:39 thestringpuller this is why as an audiophile, I have a vinyl player at work.
14:39 asciilifeform (srsly, multi-second delays?!)
14:39 asciilifeform which is why the logitech mouse proprietary-radio thing still sells so well
14:39 asciilifeform 0 delay.
14:39 mircea_popescu thestringpuller here's a little understood bit of corporate insanity : if a dying company dies normally, it is assumed the ceo & co were idiots ; if it dies as a result of doing something large and monunemtally stupid, it is assumed the ceo & team were brave souls who caught a bad break.
14:39 thestringpuller asciilifeform: you ever try watching a movie on early bluetooth headphones?
14:39 mircea_popescu this stimulates a lot of outright insane behaviour in large companies.
14:39 asciilifeform thestringpuller: early bluetooth was ~unusable entirely.
14:40 mircea_popescu stupidity on an epic scale not only didn't end carly fiorina's career among her own kind - but actually made her hillary's best friend
14:40 mircea_popescu a hillary who is also known for similar approach.
14:40 thestringpuller from all my ventures into being an audiophile at some point the analog tech produces sounds your ears can't even hear
14:41 thestringpuller hence why flac files are like gigs large
14:41 trinque one song flac is ~40MB
14:42 thestringpuller trinque: sorry: meant vinyl rips of albums.
14:42 thestringpuller Like the rip my friend did of one of my 70's Stevie Wonder albums was like ~2 gb
14:43 jurov vinyl has its own artifacts, no?
14:43 mircea_popescu this seems altogether a dubious proposition seeing how for all the wankery now surrounding them, vinyl records are industrial mass products ; from a time when 8kbps was a lot.
14:44 asciilifeform what bps, analogue.
14:44 asciilifeform snr, in db.
14:44 jurov the studio mastering has to shoehorn the record into vinyl's deficiencies (so that the tracks don't touch etc)
14:44 mircea_popescu yes they weren't originally digitized. if you think 1960s microphones and buzzy electronics make for a better quality...
14:44 trinque aha, they rip them in say 24bit/96kHz so they can hear the crackles and pops in ultra high def
14:45 asciilifeform 'audiophilia' is a psychiatric condition.
14:45 asciilifeform we had thread.
14:46 thestringpuller personal prefernce. i tend to like vocals on non condenser mic's cause they sound more "warm"
14:46 * mircea_popescu recently found out why ~all the casters in 1920/1930s sound the fucking same.
14:46 mircea_popescu the fucking mics!
14:46 asciilifeform noshit.jpg
14:47 mircea_popescu i thought they're just doing that weird voice deliberately
14:47 asciilifeform i had this mike, and a modern one, as a boy, and compared.
14:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well some of us have to do that as adults.
14:47 asciilifeform on 1960s-era sov. tape deck.
14:47 asciilifeform lel
14:47 mircea_popescu i just assumed it's a matter of fashion.
14:47 asciilifeform https://archive.is/sC8F2 << in other lulz, 'Ferguson, Missouri, protest leader found shot dead in burning car: police'
14:48 mircea_popescu anyone seen that great hoffa movie ?
14:48 mircea_popescu seems pertinent, if compressed into just a coupla years.
14:49 * asciilifeform not familiar
14:49 mircea_popescu !~google hoffa by danny devito
14:49 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Hoffa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoffa>; Hoffa (1992) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104427/>; Reel history | Hoffa : DeVito shouldn't have hassled the Hoff? | Film ...: <https://www.theguardian.com/film/2010/mar/11/jimmy-hoffa-jack-nicholson>
14:50 mircea_popescu guy's a pretty good director/
14:55 asciilifeform meanwhile, 'orcs want to be #trilema', https://archive.is/dHnYS
14:56 mircea_popescu lol
14:58 mircea_popescu in other news, good god how can these idiots be so fucking tedious.
14:58 asciilifeform which
14:58 mircea_popescu uh... SUTOs
14:59 mircea_popescu why the fuck bother looking for a work. redditards, lesswrongians, you name it.
14:59 asciilifeform still working with butterfly collection or wat.
15:00 mircea_popescu apparently the yudkowsky fellow pod' his atrocious fanfic.
15:00 asciilifeform waiwat
15:00 mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/XGCg8Dm.jpg
15:00 asciilifeform http://hpmor.com << ?
15:00 asciilifeform ah
15:01 asciilifeform eh, 'print on demand' is ultra-cheap, i once-off code and other materials to take to the beach.
15:01 asciilifeform and so do many folks.
15:01 mircea_popescu yes.
15:02 asciilifeform it is literally cheaper, even in qty==1 (!) than using own printer.
15:02 mircea_popescu yep.
15:02 mircea_popescu esp if you want the shit bound. but even looseleaf.
15:02 asciilifeform well yes.
15:03 asciilifeform hm, isn't that 'harry potter' logo trademarked in usa ?
15:03 mircea_popescu prolly.
15:03 mircea_popescu !!key <is3nn>
15:04 mircea_popescu !!key is3nn
15:05 mircea_popescu hm
15:06 mircea_popescu !!key mircea_popescu
15:06 * trinque looks
15:06 mircea_popescu ty
15:07 * deedbot hands you a broomstick.
15:08 trinque it barfed a "no address associated with name" trying to talk to wotpaste
15:09 mircea_popescu dns ?
15:13 trinque mircea_popescu: yes, but will now change that.
15:13 trinque ben_vulpes: pls to sign current wotpaste IP
15:14 trinque also this just got an error message:
15:14 trinque !!key is3nn
15:14 deedbot No such key.
15:14 trinque !!key trinque
15:14 mircea_popescu aha
15:14 deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/010kf/?raw=true
15:25 asciilifeform in lulz elsewhere, 'The new iPhones will be more durable than any that have come before, at least when it comes to serious corruption from water and dust. The next-gen models meet the IP67 protection standard, which is good enough to briefly drop it in a pool (or, more likely, a toilet) but not good enough to shower with regularly.'
15:25 asciilifeform the toilet thing is, iirc, an actually common failure mode.
15:25 asciilifeform (dun ask me how.)
15:27 asciilifeform and, best of all,
15:27 asciilifeform 'AirPods will use Infrared sensors to detect when they’re in your ears, playing only when they’re in your ears. The setup process is super easy — connect the AirPods once to your iPhone, and the AirPods instantly sync over iCloud to your other devices. From there, you never worry about them again.' >> oblig. >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=752
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15:28 asciilifeform coming soon to a pnoje near yoo: 'ЕГГОГ: UNAUTHORIZED EAR'
15:28 asciilifeform Closing The Analogue Hole!11111 (tm) (r)
15:28 asciilifeform (or what, analogue jack abolished 'for no reason' ?)
15:32 thestringpuller omg 160 bucks for a pair of headphones that will accumulate in earwax
15:32 thestringpuller fucking shit. man.
15:32 asciilifeform there is also the 'accessory license' thing, 'The 3.5mm jack is robust, familiar, secure, well-documented, and so on — we’ve seen the argument play out over the last year. You know why it’s good: because it works, reliably, worldwide, with millions of devices. Without Apple’s permission. See, it’s that last part that must bother them. The idea that someone, somewhere, is doing something with an iPhone that they haven’t an
15:32 asciilifeform ticipated, like making a thermometer or payment system or 3D scanner. Someone who hasn’t paid for a license to attach that thing to their phone.' ( https://archive.is/WLf7L )
15:38 shinohai !!key is3nn
15:39 deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/k8p95/?raw=true
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16:42 mircea_popescu !!key is3nn
16:42 deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/tmggk/?raw=true
16:50 mircea_popescu yeah well... if only the original authors of the us had a way to prevent the current fucktards from using it in a way they hadn't anticipated.
16:55 mircea_popescu btw, was someone asking for http://trilema.com/2012/fucking-a-guide ?
16:57 ben_vulpes !!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ukwks/?raw=true
16:57 deedbot accepted: 1
16:57 ben_vulpes should probably have a block number in it, eh?
16:57 ben_vulpes anyways, trinque will that suffice for now?
16:57 mircea_popescu it gets the block number through deeding anyway
16:58 trinque ^
16:58 ben_vulpes ah
16:58 trinque ty
17:05 trinque and de-dns'd
17:15 deedbot http://deedbot.org/bundle-428745.txt
17:28 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/09/black-man-shot-in-north-saint-louis-county/ << Qntra - Black Man Shot In North Saint Louis County
17:31 mircea_popescu in other random, anyone play a game called "wyvern" ?
17:35 mircea_popescu (apparently a badly balanced something or the other by steve yegge - you know, the supposedly notable derp behind http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com2006/04/lisp-is-not-acceptable-lisp.html and a whole load of java, ruby etc)
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17:36 asciilifeform yegge appears to be a thing much beloved by alice_ .
17:37 mircea_popescu it's mildly shocking to see the whole pile of supposed lisp experts who are actually not known to have written, let alone run, any lisp.
17:37 asciilifeform how any stranger than sexprerts who have no sex, 'chemists' who never touched glass, the lot.
17:39 mircea_popescu anyway, it's rather evident that there's a mutually-reinforcing ring of idiots. check out yegge's wikipedia article, for instance. curated with love.
17:41 asciilifeform 'Yegge accidentally made an internal Google memo public on Google+ in October 2011. His 3,700-word comment garnered major media and blogger attention for Yegge's pointed commentary criticizing the leanings of the company's technological culture (such as labeling Google+'s minimalist and, in his view, lackluster public platform "a pathetic afterthought") as well as for his comments about his former employer, Amazon (such as calling Am
17:41 asciilifeform azon CEO Jeff Bezos "Dread Pirate Bezos"). Google co-founder Sergey Brin stated that he would still have his job.'
17:41 asciilifeform lel.
17:41 mircea_popescu you prolly recall this, iirc was in the logs.
17:42 asciilifeform 'notable' !11111111
17:42 asciilifeform '...some observations that I think are relevant to anyone who writes programs (start reading from “the dubious future of emacs“). It's hard to argue with the value of self-hosting. It's even harder to argue with the momentum of the browser and dynamic environments.' << gold.
17:49 BingoBoingo lol http://qntra.net/2016/09/bahamas-g20-landing-brouhaha/#comment-69505
17:53 BingoBoingo !!up Lightsword
17:53 deedbot Lightsword voiced for 30 minutes.
18:02 shinohai "i lost the passphrase for the gpg key i created yesterday and i can't decrypt the msg mircea_popescu sent me...is it ok if a create another key and register with this?"
18:02 shinohai lulz
18:06 mircea_popescu sigh
18:08 shinohai Rocket science
18:11 mircea_popescu honestly, he had his shot. next.
18:12 mircea_popescu this isn't no kids left behind club ; but on the contrary.
18:17 mircea_popescu and in other lulz, "The GNU Hurd is under active development. Because of that, there is no stable version." << cca may 2016
18:18 mircea_popescu "It's time [to] explain the meaning of "Hurd". "Hurd" stands for "Hird of Unix-Replacing Daemons". And, then, "Hird" stands for "Hurd of Interfaces Representing Depth". We have here, to my knowledge, the first software to be named by a pair of mutually recursive acronyms." << arguably its most notable accomplishment to date.
18:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: did i fall into a parallel universe some time recently where linus lifting the hurd userland never happened ?
18:24 asciilifeform or wat.
18:25 mircea_popescu what, you think that made them admit they suck ?
18:25 mircea_popescu this is a communist government ; the only cure is grave.
18:25 asciilifeform forget 'admit'
18:25 asciilifeform but it was achievement
18:26 asciilifeform rather than the acronym thing
18:26 mircea_popescu i'm sorry, t
18:26 mircea_popescu i'm sorry, torvalds is achievement of hurd ? wut ?
18:26 asciilifeform and dead folk dun admit things
18:26 asciilifeform afaik.
18:26 mircea_popescu wait wait, stallman died ?
18:26 asciilifeform torvalds lifted the userland utils
18:27 mircea_popescu i prefer "liberated".
18:27 asciilifeform liberated, lifted, pillaged, whichever.
18:27 asciilifeform bsd, recall, in modern sense, was not yet a thing.
18:28 asciilifeform it was gnu's or 'write own'.
18:28 mircea_popescu no, actually, actually architect wanted to just adapt a bsd
18:28 mircea_popescu but stallman wanted to wait n years for some ivy league product.
18:28 mircea_popescu which sucked.
18:28 asciilifeform kernel, mircea_popescu
18:28 mircea_popescu yes ?
18:29 asciilifeform bsd userland iirc was not yet available for linuxization.
18:29 asciilifeform (was stuck in copyrast limbo)
18:29 mircea_popescu you meant above the bsd userland didn't exist ?
18:29 asciilifeform existed, payware.
18:29 * asciilifeform brb - meat
18:30 mircea_popescu so it was, steal from gnu, steal from mit, write own.
18:30 mircea_popescu they stole from the losers. logical.
18:31 mircea_popescu anyway, the original linked lisp verbiage was funny to me mostly because it's all written from the perspective of "object oriented is god". which was very much groupthink cca 2006.
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18:31 mircea_popescu a ~certain~ groupthink, of a certain sort of people.
18:33 mircea_popescu "At the risk of predicting future fashion trends, which is rarely a good idea, I'll venture that objects are going to continue to be trendy for at least a few more decades. So I think Lisp needs some form of "seamless" OOP." and all that.
18:42 BingoBoingo !~bcstats
18:42 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 428752 | Current Difficulty: 2.2075590833037228E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 429407 | Next Difficulty In: 655 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 10 hours, 56 minutes, and 19 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
18:45 ben_vulpes lisp has had seamless oop since what the seventies?
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19:07 ben_vulpes !!up alice_
19:07 deedbot alice_ voiced for 30 minutes.
19:07 * shinohai pops popcorn
19:08 alice_ hi
19:10 mircea_popescu "So XEmacs has never been a particularly good tool for serious Emacs users because even though it's written in C, it crashes like a mature C++ application." mwahahaha
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19:18 BingoBoingo re: tulpas, when I first saw the word in use I assumed based on phonetics that hamplanets were ascirbing personalities to their FUPAS
19:21 alice_ so does mircea_popescu fool around with tulpas or
19:21 * shinohai snickers
19:22 * BingoBoingo recently saw a transmay get winded moving from their scootypuff to a riding lawnmower to see if the small tractors would "fit"
19:22 BingoBoingo Spoiler alert: it didn't fit
19:22 BingoBoingo panniculus spread their legs in a seated position too far to reach the pedals
19:27 asciilifeform hey hey ho ho lbjhasgottogo^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H my inductive probes are here.
19:28 asciilifeform and they actually work, somewhat surprisingly. at least for now. LJ12A3.
19:29 asciilifeform sorta like miniature ww2 minesweepers.
19:30 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I finally acquired a pair of needlenose pliers that don't seem to suck
19:30 asciilifeform bring within 0.5cm or so of conductive object, and it conducts.
19:30 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: they're all great when new.
19:31 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Cutting screws with them at the moment
19:32 asciilifeform alice_: what were vrelta and ukuku ?
19:32 alice_ asciilifeform: tell me more about why you're asking. this channel is assholes, which is a communication style i'm not used to, so i'd like more details :)
19:33 alice_ i don't mind, just saying ;)
19:33 asciilifeform alice_: think of it as a kind of boot camp.
19:33 asciilifeform n00bz are slowly disassembled into component atoms and - on occasion - reassemble themselves into something that is interesting to have conversation with.
19:34 asciilifeform typically happens ~6 mo. later.
19:34 alice_ this _is_ related to why you are assholes
19:34 BingoBoingo See again
19:35 BingoBoingo !~step2
19:35 jhvh1 2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
19:35 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: that thing is a snore.
19:35 asciilifeform ftr.
19:35 alice_ does mircea_popescu fool around with tulpas
19:35 asciilifeform reminds me of the keychain i spend my first u.s. dollar on, BingoBoingo
19:35 BingoBoingo But it does pull the wings off
19:35 asciilifeform it had 8 buttons, for 8 types of bleep/bloop/etc.
19:35 BingoBoingo AHA
19:36 asciilifeform i traded a hefty shoebox of rubles for it.
19:36 asciilifeform (the dollar, that is.)
19:36 asciilifeform 'echo killer'.
19:36 asciilifeform https://assets.listia.com/photos/1142334/original.jpg?s=320x320m&sig=350ef03a9f127f58&ts=1285207571 << it !
19:36 asciilifeform https://lh4.ggpht.com/nCL4JvwNDPYRV8H_zpxGxVJ57XPfjAK7N1EhW2nE35XF7S3FUqTrzmYRNlQj2vEfeA=h310 << emulator !
19:37 BingoBoingo SWEET!
19:37 shinohai ty asciilifeform
19:37 asciilifeform !!up alice_
19:37 deedbot alice_ voiced for 30 minutes.
19:38 asciilifeform sooo alice_ iirc i was the one you were originally looking for. what do you wish to know..?
19:38 jurov she wanted to know more about assholes
19:40 asciilifeform alice_: mircea_popescu dedicated an entire article to you.
19:41 shinohai Best trilema article I have read all week too
19:42 alice_ adorable
19:44 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1536560 << emacs, like unix earlier, or much later - bitcoin, was a shitprototype that got stuck in battlefield use ~forever.
19:44 a111 Logged on 2016-09-07 23:10 mircea_popescu: "So XEmacs has never been a particularly good tool for serious Emacs users because even though it's written in C, it crashes like a mature C++ application." mwahahaha
19:44 asciilifeform xemacs was a kind of gavinatronic clone.
19:45 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1536550 << java/cpp-style oop is not actually oop, but a kind of u.s. mba-endorsed mental bonsaikittenation .
19:45 a111 Logged on 2016-09-07 22:31 mircea_popescu: anyway, the original linked lisp verbiage was funny to me mostly because it's all written from the perspective of "object oriented is god". which was very much groupthink cca 2006.
19:46 asciilifeform (missing metaobject protocol - no introspection; lack of even such a basic thing as the mix-in)
19:47 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1536555 << 'flavours', as seen in zetalisp. released circa '79 iirc.
19:47 a111 Logged on 2016-09-07 22:45 ben_vulpes: lisp has had seamless oop since what the seventies?
19:48 asciilifeform various larval forms thereof - prior.
19:48 asciilifeform was slow to catch on, because if your language isn't braindamaged, the ~actual~ domain for oopism is quite small.
19:49 alice_ asciilifeform: you make up bs insults because {you find it entertaining} and {boot camp narrative} ?
19:49 asciilifeform (largely limited to extremely large system with numerous ~independently functioning modules)
19:49 alice_ (not judging, i don't mind)
19:49 asciilifeform alice_: do you know expression 'в чужой монастырь со своим уставом не ходят' ?
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19:49 asciilifeform i recommend to look it up
19:50 asciilifeform alice_: presumably you are here because you heard that there were interesting folk around, and wished to learn something.
19:51 asciilifeform this happens, just like at your university, in the manner the elders decide. and not the manner the novice prefers.
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19:51 asciilifeform there are people who do not like this. the exit hatch is to your left, pull the red lever.
19:54 alice_ nice, sounds very respectable
19:54 alice_ i'm glad you're happy with your life :)
19:55 asciilifeform this here place is full of merry merry folk.
19:55 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> this happens, just like at your university, in the manner the elders decide. and not the manner the novice prefers. << Unless your university is new Social Justice Mizzou that wants to tear down the original Thomas Jefferson grave marker,
19:55 asciilifeform !!up nacci
19:55 deedbot nacci voiced for 30 minutes.
19:55 shinohai !~translate ru to en в чужой монастырь со своим уставом не ходят
19:55 jhvh1 shinohai: in a strange monastery with its regulations do not go
19:55 asciilifeform meh jhvh1
19:55 trinque !!up gabriel_laddel
19:55 deedbot gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
19:55 asciilifeform !!up gabriel_laddel
19:55 deedbot gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
19:55 gabriel_laddel alice_: what is your ethnicity / where are you from?
19:56 asciilifeform shinohai: approx. 'do not try to slip in with your own set of vows into another's monastery'
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19:57 asciilifeform somebody oughta buy that fella a new set of pistons for his modem.
19:57 trinque lol
19:57 trinque somewhere a pull-starter clacks
19:57 asciilifeform or was it carburetor.
19:58 alice_ i'm p sure there aren't interesting folk around tho
19:58 BingoBoingo Prolly all the ethanol varnished his carbuerator
19:59 alice_ i am still entertained by your antics
19:59 mircea_popescu still with this ?
19:59 mircea_popescu !!down alice_
19:59 asciilifeform popped by ze snr police!1111
19:59 mircea_popescu long past its use-by date.
20:00 shinohai Now how will we ever know if mircea_popescu fools around with tulpas
20:00 asciilifeform eh i was hopin' to learn who sent it.
20:00 asciilifeform and we were short a decimation
20:00 mircea_popescu you can probably intuit.
20:00 asciilifeform what i can't readily apprehend is wtf do they bother.
20:01 mircea_popescu in other news, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2250282/
20:01 mircea_popescu if i for some reason decide to review this movie, there goes about 60% of all the google juice and thus existence of the whole anglotard appropriation effort.
20:02 hanbot but on night! hahaha
20:02 mircea_popescu butt on!
20:03 asciilifeform what even.
20:03 asciilifeform 'Lisa Boeri is a successful businesswoman obsessed with her career - on day. But on night, she is visiting private nightclub Tulpa, club where your sickest, most erotic fantasies come true.'
20:05 asciilifeform https://archive.is/9BsSX << in other lulz. 'A classified U.S. document, dated from 2005, cautioned spy agency employees against revealing the truth. “It is important to know the established cover story for MHS [Menwith Hill Station] and to protect the fact that MHS is an intelligence collection facility,” the document stated. “Any reference to satellites being operated or any connection to intelligence gathering is strictly pro
20:05 asciilifeform hibited.”'
20:07 asciilifeform 'The NSA’s documents describe GHOSTHUNTER as a means “to locate targets when they log onto the internet.” It was first developed in 2006 as “the only capability of its kind” and it enabled “a significant number of capture-kill operations” against alleged terrorists. '
20:07 mircea_popescu what exactly is "log onto the internet" supposed to fucking mean ? aol ?
20:07 asciilifeform https://prod01-cdn07.cdn.firstlook.org/wp-uploads/sites/1/2016/07/ghosthunter3.jpg << herr orlol will love the 'rocket up the sat dish' aspect of this lultron.
20:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it is referring to sat dish, the camel fucker's aol.
20:08 mircea_popescu a significant number of three ?
20:08 asciilifeform handy, apparently, target beacon.
20:11 asciilifeform 'If the U.K. government knows that it is transferring data that may be used for drone strikes against non-combatants … that transfer is probably unlawful,” Stratford told the members of Parliament. “An individual involved in passing that information is likely to be an accessory to murder.' << l0l!
20:11 * asciilifeform falls down.
20:12 mircea_popescu it's true.
20:12 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535493 << see also.
20:12 a111 Logged on 2016-09-07 00:44 mircea_popescu: a government can never be solvent ; a government can never operate legally.
20:12 mircea_popescu yes. but any individual thinking himself protected because "government told me so" will still hand.
20:12 mircea_popescu hang*
20:12 mircea_popescu as per the von flondor doctrine.
20:13 asciilifeform hasn't happened once since, idk, the assyrians? but there is always a first.
20:14 mircea_popescu i dunno what trump is gonna do ; maybe he hangs everyone ever involved with the democratic party. maybe he doesn't. if i end up in power however - i do.
20:14 mircea_popescu same for airstrip one, same for everywhere.
20:14 mircea_popescu were you part of "modern democracy" ? you're crow food.
20:17 asciilifeform i still read him as an english-speaking zhirinovsky.
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20:17 mircea_popescu possibru
20:17 asciilifeform y'know, the fella kpss hired to run 'opposition'
20:18 asciilifeform if he weren't, would at least be recruiting a brownshirt legion by now, imho.
20:18 mircea_popescu maybe he is. hard to tell.
20:18 asciilifeform to make sure election goes in correct direction.
20:18 asciilifeform eh not as if asciilifeform would be the ~first~ to know if brownshirt legion were recruiting, but likes to think he would not be the ~last~
20:19 mircea_popescu and why not ? the way these things work, "everyone knew" what the sa was up to. except, of course, for everyone, from pappen down.
20:19 asciilifeform its existence was not mega-seekrit tho.
20:20 mircea_popescu nra's existence is not mega seekrit, among numerous other such things. much like sa's existence was not secret, but also not relevant. the commies had bigger and for that reason supposedly better paramilitaries.
20:21 asciilifeform tru
20:21 mircea_popescu notoriously hard to ferret out, these things.
20:21 mircea_popescu note that many people drove over to defend weirdo cattle farmer.
20:21 mircea_popescu if trump goes on tv ? yeah they'll come over.
20:22 asciilifeform iirc farmer is doin' hard time now
20:22 mircea_popescu how many ? 10k ? 100 ? 1mn ? only one way to find out.
20:22 mircea_popescu all he has to do is the traditional 1936 "march in defense of values" bla bla.\
20:23 asciilifeform if bbet were still a thing i'd put a few coin on 'not only mr. t loses, but slobodans and takes 'wrong' blood pressure pill soon after.'
20:23 mircea_popescu honestly i give it even odds the whole affair ends up with hillary behind bars.
20:24 mircea_popescu she's ~ in the position of argentina's ex-chief-whore.
20:27 shinohai !!key nacci
20:27 deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/fxloc/?raw=true
20:38 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:1059/to:1172#1059 << me looks through list, discovers in appalment he hasn't even written that much this week.
20:38 scriba Logged on 2016-09-07: [1/5] [21:05:39] <trinque> and de-dns'd
20:38 scriba [2/5] [21:15:44] <deedbot> http://deedbot.org/bundle-428745.txt
20:38 scriba [3/5] [21:28:45] <deedbot> http://qntra.net/2016/09/black-man-shot-in-north-saint-louis-county/ << Qntra - Black Man Shot In North Saint Louis County
20:38 scriba [4/5] [21:31:35] <mircea_popescu> in other random, anyone play a game called "wyvern" ?
20:38 scriba [5/5] [21:35:35] <mircea_popescu> (apparently a badly balanced something or the other by steve yegge - you know, the supposedly notable derp behind http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com2006/04/lisp-is-not-acceptable-lisp.html and a whole load of java, ruby etc)
20:38 mircea_popescu o boy.
20:39 mircea_popescu now ima have to police my urls o.
20:39 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/#1172 << me looks through list, discovers in appalment he hasn't even written that much this week.
20:39 scriba Logged on 2016-09-07: [23:41:19] <shinohai> Best trilema article I have read all week too
20:39 mircea_popescu there we go
20:39 BingoBoingo seriously, Mo Bots Mo Bottoms
20:42 shinohai Well, I sometimes go back and read older articles, I should have clarified.
20:42 mircea_popescu back when i was younger i wrote twenty articles a week!
20:44 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/#1059 << don't take your tropar to another monastery.
20:44 scriba Logged on 2016-09-07: [21:05:39] <trinque> and de-dns'd
20:44 mircea_popescu grh!
20:44 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/#1200 << don't take your tropar to another monastery.
20:44 scriba Logged on 2016-09-07: [23:55:32] <jhvh1> shinohai: in a strange monastery with its regulations do not go
20:48 shinohai !~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1kUf
20:48 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
20:50 BingoBoingo ty shinohai
20:54 shinohai Also fixed Qntra bot on twitter until next time it breaks
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20:55 BingoBoingo !~ty shinohai
20:55 jhvh1 You are very welcome Daddy
20:56 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/09/the-presiglassial-ceiling/ << Qntra - The Presiglassial Ceiling
20:56 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/09/past-dropbox-use-casts-spectre/ << Qntra - Past Dropbox Use Casts Spectre
21:02 thestringpuller so derpopulus is bleeding money so he wrote another book
21:02 asciilifeform about what, megablox ?
21:02 thestringpuller no. "THE INTERNET OF MONEY"
21:03 thestringpuller a collection of his "talks" which really suck
21:03 asciilifeform snore.
21:03 thestringpuller GIGASNORE. But dunno why people keep buying his book.
21:03 asciilifeform 'people'
21:03 asciilifeform 'buying'
21:04 thestringpuller nah. this book was launched as part of a "touring strategy" because 5 wheel solutions can't get any actual work
21:05 thestringpuller like when Rick James decided to go on tour and play his oldies when he ran out of money to buy cocaine
21:18 mircea_popescu o hey it made it ?!
21:23 asciilifeform http://lesswrong.com/user/alicey/overview << in other noose, our njoo phriend.
21:24 asciilifeform 'afaict the quirrell tulpa is one of the more common types of tulpas. if you have one, do not use it. it is secretly voldemort and will destroy your soul.'
21:25 mircea_popescu the what ?
21:25 asciilifeform i do not have sufficient lsd to say what.
21:25 mircea_popescu you mentioned it!
21:26 asciilifeform it came out of the pipe, what.
21:26 asciilifeform presented here for vivisectionist interest strictly.
21:27 asciilifeform 'Hi! I live in a rationalist house in Berkeley. It sounds really cringey and not really rationalist.'
21:27 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/from:82/to:82#82 << is this the one with the ethereum derpage or another one ?
21:27 scriba Logged on 2016-09-08: [01:02:17] <thestringpuller> so derpopulus is bleeding money so he wrote another book
21:27 asciilifeform ( http://lesswrong.com/lw/kv6/rationalist_house/bks3 )
21:27 mircea_popescu wait, "rationalist" derps pivoting towards cult ?
21:28 asciilifeform it was a stereotypical cult eons ago.
21:28 asciilifeform today a red dwarf cult, or whatever one calls those.
21:28 asciilifeform y'know, when the comet just keeps not comin'.
21:29 asciilifeform 'I am a mealsquares-mostly eating person though! Because mealsquares are wonderful.'
21:29 asciilifeform this has got to be a gag.
21:29 asciilifeform ' I am in berkeley and learning these math things.'
21:31 asciilifeform 'she who wears the magic bracelet of future-self delegation http://i.imgur.com/5Bfq4we.png prefers to do as she is ordered'
21:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu what ~IS~ that? syphilis ?
21:32 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> i do not have sufficient lsd to say what. << Go to any big box garden center. Search the housplants for a big ole San Pedro cactus, they will have at least one. Eat the whole thing.
21:32 BingoBoingo Excepting thorns
21:33 asciilifeform i'll pass on the vomitronic kthx
21:33 BingoBoingo Nah, that's ahayusca
21:34 thestringpuller ^- true story
21:34 asciilifeform http://lesswrong.com/lw/kxy/simulate_and_defer_to_more_rational_selves << holy mother of fuck.
21:34 asciilifeform 'BrienneYudkowsky I sometimes let imaginary versions of myself make decisions for me. ...'
21:35 thestringpuller BingoBoingo: he could also go to cow pasture and look for mushrooms.
21:35 * asciilifeform checks dosimeter, finds that it is maxed out.
21:35 BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Nah, the grow on shit prolly tast like shit.
21:43 asciilifeform https://qntm.org/personas << holy shit, this contagion's been spreadin', seem like.
21:43 asciilifeform 'Personas: imaginary friends for software developers'
21:44 asciilifeform 'our modern society is just memetically uncomfortable with this idea for stupid reasons, not unlike the reasons they're uncomfortable with transpeople ' << didjaknow!
21:45 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Remember these folks are just that loath to admit that they, themselves are broken and suck.
21:46 asciilifeform and now!
21:46 asciilifeform asciilifeform's fine kunstkammer presents...:
21:46 asciilifeform >> https://archive.is/3zBTA << .
21:55 BingoBoingo ty asciilifeform
21:57 asciilifeform yw BingoBoingo .
21:57 BingoBoingo I was not surprised twas a white gurl
21:58 asciilifeform gurl with adam's apple.
21:58 asciilifeform ( i hear they get'em belt-sanded off now-adays, but not on a javascript wage. )
22:04 asciilifeform whatever happed to our last one of these
22:05 asciilifeform !~seen
22:05 jhvh1 asciilifeform: (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. <nick> may contain * as a wildcard.
22:05 asciilifeform !~seen brendafdez
22:05 jhvh1 asciilifeform: I have not seen brendafdez.
22:05 asciilifeform eh.
22:06 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well sometimes transmission lacks will and wheels?
22:07 asciilifeform memetically uncomfortable !111111
22:08 BingoBoingo lol
22:09 asciilifeform http://www.mealsquares.com << turns out - they do exist.
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22:09 shinohai Maybe she can !~tits ?
22:09 asciilifeform and if i stick around in this godforsaken shitland long enough, i'll probably find out what they taste like.
22:10 asciilifeform the 'mealsquares,' that is.
22:10 asciilifeform shinohai: i dun think synthetic tits happen on a javascript wage.
22:10 asciilifeform but i could be wrong.
22:10 asciilifeform Progress!111
22:10 asciilifeform 'MealSquares let you eat a balanced variety of whole foods without having to study nutrition, carefully plan meals, or go grocery shopping. Learn what's in a square, read our FAQ, or become a beta tester.'
22:10 * shinohai wouldn't be surprised if this thing has fix-a-flat titjob
22:11 asciilifeform do i even want to know what that is
22:13 asciilifeform '​ENJOY A 25-HOUR DAY​​'
22:13 asciilifeform dry catfood for peeeeeple
22:13 asciilifeform it is finally here.
22:13 BingoBoingo Why wouldn't you want to know how polyurethane foam is being abused
22:14 asciilifeform 'More protein per calorie than a Big Mac, less sugar than a banana. The energy bar has grown up.'
22:14 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: but is it memetically comfortable!
22:15 asciilifeform are they serving 'mealsquares' to soldiers yet ?
22:15 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It could be supremely memetically comfortable. Many folks now prophylactically get their lawn tractor tires filled with fix-o-flat!
22:15 asciilifeform or afraid they'll frag ?
22:16 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/#111 << sounds like a well trained slave.
22:16 scriba Logged on 2016-09-08: [01:31:24] <asciilifeform> 'she who wears the magic bracelet of future-self delegation http://i.imgur.com/5Bfq4we.png prefers to do as she is ordered'
22:18 mircea_popescu and no, looks like ordinary ginger.
22:21 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/#132 << i'm very fucking surprised, sounded just like a derpy dude.
22:21 scriba Logged on 2016-09-08: [01:57:58] <BingoBoingo> I was not surprised twas a white gurl
22:22 asciilifeform it was
22:22 mircea_popescu o wait. it... IS. heh. mmmkay.
22:23 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/#147 << they periodically get REAL EXCITED about stupid shit like this, dogfood - for people. there was some other nonsense selling it by the bushel bag, dun recall wtf it was called
22:23 scriba Logged on 2016-09-08: [02:10:01] <asciilifeform> the 'mealsquares,' that is.
22:23 mircea_popescu kept pushing it on geek social media
22:23 mircea_popescu "complete meal" bla bla.
22:23 asciilifeform i can see it used on prisoners in political solitary, or some other helpless saps
22:23 asciilifeform but voluntarily??
22:24 mircea_popescu but the man-whores ARE prisoners in political solitary.
22:25 mircea_popescu sorry i meant to say "computer programmers" not man-whores.
22:25 asciilifeform ~=
22:27 mircea_popescu Anna told me when she first became the executive director of CFAR, she suddenly had many more decisions to deal with per day than ever before. "Should we hire this person?" "Should I go buy more coffee for the coffee machine, or wait for someone else deal with it ?"
22:27 mircea_popescu aww the decisions of women in management.
22:29 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1Sl7qwnKO4 << wtf is with all the dude-looking "chicks" in "rationalism" anyway ?
22:30 mircea_popescu anyway. that's a slave collar on her yes ?
22:30 asciilifeform what do you ~think~.
22:30 asciilifeform i have nfi what kind of collar, will defer to the specialist
22:31 mircea_popescu looks homemade, so who the fuck can tell. maybe it's the dreamcather anti-quisling device or w/e it's called.
22:31 asciilifeform anti-quisling device << win
22:31 * asciilifeform falls over.
22:31 mircea_popescu what was it ?
22:32 asciilifeform 'the magic bracelet of future-self delegation'
22:32 mircea_popescu nono, there's this ~satan rendition, the archenemy
22:32 asciilifeform roko's basilisk ?
22:33 asciilifeform (i ~wish~ i were making this up... but: the 'rationalists' have this... sacrament? where they sit around in infinitely recursive stupour, contemplating 'future self')
22:33 mircea_popescu lmao
22:35 asciilifeform i disagree that they are wholly a snore. rather, valuable entomological specimens. they rode the libertard train to its logical final stop. e.g., EMULATED people are posited to exist, in the future projecting (yes) into the past which 'created' them, and have 'rights.'
22:35 asciilifeform just like the regular kind.
22:35 mircea_popescu "No. I am asking: Where do rationalists come from? How do we acquire our powers?"
22:36 mircea_popescu i find it funny how they always fail on the most basic of questions. "who are you ?" "powers ? what powers ?" etc.
22:37 asciilifeform the power of mealsquare-gettin'
22:38 asciilifeform if the 'rationalist' folk did not exist, they would need to be created...
22:38 mircea_popescu it is mildly entertaining.
22:39 mircea_popescu currently appears as "coven of women wanted to be slaves - as women often do ; ended up stuck with a bunch of beta dorks, because whereby to get a master! did the best possible under circumstances, which is... at best pretty fucking weird."
22:40 asciilifeform dunno that more than ~handful of biological womenz are involved in any of this.
22:40 mircea_popescu i mean what the chick describes, "you dumb slut, when your master tells you to go the fuck outside you go the fuck outside, what arguments" is very basic slavegirl experience. the cruft she builts all around it though...
22:41 mircea_popescu what "imagine future self" for crying out loud. how about imagine your future butt. with welts and all.
22:42 asciilifeform none of these folk are getting arse welts any more than they'll be dragged on a rope under dirigible.
22:42 mircea_popescu yes, but the PLACE WHERE THEY'D GO is manifestly there.
22:43 mircea_popescu much like kid in soviet lands, with a catalogue for to apply stamps for a prize. there's the spaces clearly delineated ; and no stamps. ever.
22:43 asciilifeform ^
22:44 mircea_popescu aaanyway. i imagine in typical style of the poor peasant girl, they tell themselves the reason they don't get to go to the seaside is because they're better than that.
22:44 asciilifeform BIG BUGZ
22:44 asciilifeform or what was it
22:45 asciilifeform gargauni ?
22:45 mircea_popescu that, yeah.
22:45 mircea_popescu nah , those are different bugs.
22:45 asciilifeform hm
22:46 mircea_popescu anyway, re "handful of biological women" : there was at no point in the history of porn that i;m aware of, a differential lower than three degrees of magnitude between the chick count and the dork count.
22:46 mircea_popescu so.. handful of girlz, yes, and a bunch of dorks, yes. numbers check out.
22:47 asciilifeform about same % as in, e.g., mining camp ?
22:48 mircea_popescu naa
22:48 asciilifeform or whatever other meatgrinder-for-supernumerary-males-with-chix-audience
22:48 mircea_popescu see, the delusion of choice adds like two to twelve zeroes.
22:48 mircea_popescu miners wanted at least a whif of the pussy.
22:48 mircea_popescu dorks are happy with squarefucks.
22:49 asciilifeform squarehappy.
22:49 mircea_popescu shouldn't happies be round ?
22:49 asciilifeform not these.
22:49 asciilifeform these - square.
22:49 mircea_popescu let's compromise :
22:49 mircea_popescu happycheese
22:50 asciilifeform sounds unpleasantly smegmatic for some reason.
22:50 mircea_popescu perhaps because it's true.
22:51 asciilifeform btw - ~why~ was it that the peasant gurl could not go to the sea ?
22:51 asciilifeform i never grasped
22:51 mircea_popescu by herself ?! what, as a 12yo or w/e ?!
22:51 asciilifeform or as older etc
22:51 asciilifeform folks dun stay 12 forever
22:52 mircea_popescu as older wouldn't be relevant to the story, being later. who knows, maybe she grew up to worship my footsepts.
22:52 mircea_popescu but in any case : you couldn't just BUY a hotel reservation. you had to get tickets.
22:52 asciilifeform ro is what, 900km wide ? and iirc it's got trains
22:52 mircea_popescu which were distributed by workplace
22:52 mircea_popescu so you had to be cool.
22:52 mircea_popescu if you tried to camp on the sea you'd have been arrested and sent to work.
22:52 asciilifeform crash with friends ?
22:53 mircea_popescu the #1 thing i liked about ro socialism and dislike in us socialism is this. idleness was fucking illegal, "homelessness" meant the police picked you up, beat you up, and sent you to work camp.
22:53 mircea_popescu and computer programming, as understood today, same.
22:53 asciilifeform тунеядство
22:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well this one had no friends.
22:53 asciilifeform ^ we had a word.
22:53 asciilifeform in the su penal code.
22:53 asciilifeform it doesn't even translate to eng.! afaik
22:53 mircea_popescu !~translate Ro to Ru vagabondaj
22:54 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: бродяжничество
22:54 asciilifeform that sounds more britishy actually
22:54 mircea_popescu i think i like this better
22:54 asciilifeform !~translate Ru to Eng тунеядство
22:54 jhvh1 asciilifeform: parasitism
22:54 asciilifeform nah.
22:54 asciilifeform or rather, not quite.
22:54 mircea_popescu yeah, this also existed, but entirely different.
22:54 asciilifeform more closely would be 'uselessly-eating'
22:55 mircea_popescu parasitism = mp lives off his investments. vagabondaj = alice_ is not sucking cock.
22:55 asciilifeform nono
22:55 asciilifeform that was different article
22:55 asciilifeform in penal code
22:55 mircea_popescu heh
22:55 asciilifeform 'нетрудовые доходы'
22:55 mircea_popescu two words ? such waste!
22:56 asciilifeform huffman coding !111111111111
22:58 asciilifeform i must disagree that the alices are idle, however.
22:58 asciilifeform they are busting their nuts for hitler.
22:58 asciilifeform cranking out systemd's, ukukus, etc.
22:59 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> (i ~wish~ i were making this up... but: the 'rationalists' have this... sacrament? where they sit around in infinitely recursive stupour, contemplating 'future self') << HERETICS ACTING FROM PURPOSE
22:59 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: sorta what the magnetic pole of that direction looks like.
22:59 asciilifeform it ain't pretty.
23:09 BingoBoingo Looks like MAO-ism in the Nepali sense where every political party is a different kind of MAOist party
23:12 mircea_popescu here's something for lulz : https://svn.code.sf.net/p/planeshift/code/www/register/randString.php
23:13 mircea_popescu and in the same vein / from the same source : https://archive.is/uIBox#selection-9.1569-9.1577
~ 21 minutes ~
23:35 BingoBoingo win
23:35 asciilifeform dafuq
23:41 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i read that as 'MAOI party'
23:41 BingoBoingo EIther way fava beans still kill
23:45 asciilifeform !!s tropar
23:45 asciilifeform !~s tropar
23:45 jhvh1 asciilifeform: Error: "s" is not a valid command.
23:45 asciilifeform hm
23:46 asciilifeform $s tropar
23:46 a111 4 results for "tropar", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tropar
23:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what's a tropar
23:49 trinque "hymn" in romanian according to cursory googling
23:57 asciilifeform that'd make sense.
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