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00:40 mod6 $up Bugpowder
00:40 deedbot Bugpowder voiced for 30 minutes.
00:41 mod6 hey Bugpowder, how goes?
00:46 mircea_popescu http://archive.is/6oYPy << check it out, it begins!
00:47 mod6 he probably reads the logs.
00:48 mircea_popescu well there's no valid signature...
00:49 mircea_popescu fun times.
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01:08 ben_vulpes oh man if he can throw the vote tracking systems into chaos...
01:08 ben_vulpes he could hose so much just by demanding ballots with signatures.
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01:08 ben_vulpes and if anyone could exclude diebold and friends from the party it'd be him
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01:08 mircea_popescu yup
01:09 mircea_popescu tis teh right strategic move.
01:09 mircea_popescu and the more the libtards bitch, the better for him.
01:09 mircea_popescu and the less they bitch, the worse for them.
01:09 mircea_popescu this is what win-win is.
01:10 ben_vulpes not to mention that the left cooked the diebold narrative to begin with.
01:10 mircea_popescu aha.
01:10 ben_vulpes endless lolz
01:10 mircea_popescu oya.
01:12 ben_vulpes phf, shinohai, trinque, asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: i elected to nuke the "stale comments" thing, i'd be much obliged if any of y'all have a patch for that. in exchange i've got a patch on wp-comments.php for the suffix trick, not that it's hard or anything
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01:13 mircea_popescu just take out the <?> part in the form names.
01:13 ben_vulpes i r phpbro nao
01:13 ben_vulpes but i wanted it to work!
01:14 mircea_popescu that;s not what nuke means ?
01:14 mircea_popescu explain yourself plainly!
01:14 ben_vulpes hang on
01:14 ben_vulpes pump the brakes there turbo
01:15 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: i pulled out the "comment_checks"
01:15 ben_vulpes er, "comment_check"
01:16 ben_vulpes and specifically, commented out the line starting with if (((time ...
01:17 mircea_popescu that didn't work.
01:17 ben_vulpes bad error message lol
01:17 mircea_popescu explain yourself vaguely and convolutedly now, maybe that's more practical in your present state of intoxication!
01:17 ben_vulpes i am stone cold sober
01:17 ben_vulpes SIR
01:17 mircea_popescu evidently, it's not working out for you!
01:18 mod6 heheh
01:18 mircea_popescu now then. what are you trying to get and what did you do for it ?
01:18 ben_vulpes 1) i commented out the line in wp-comments that checks for the delta between now and the comment time being greater than or less than two magic numbers.
01:18 mircea_popescu ok.
01:18 ben_vulpes that fixed the comment processor complaining about stale pages or whatever
01:18 mircea_popescu well... in the sense that it doesn't check anymore, yes.
01:19 ben_vulpes 2) i added the suffix generation routine to the template page, and appended the suffix to the relevant form names.
01:19 mircea_popescu 2 would have fixed 1 too i suspect.
01:20 ben_vulpes 3) i excised a tril_ from wp-comments.php, replacing it with my db prefix
01:21 mircea_popescu yeh, alf reported that too, i recall.
01:21 ben_vulpes by jove
01:21 mircea_popescu cool, so you're good to go ?
01:22 ben_vulpes maybe? vaguely concerned that the thing is subtly broken in other ways not immediately apparent.
01:22 ben_vulpes also *zero* clue of what to do to avoid dushensking the instance
01:22 mircea_popescu well, you're vulnerable to comment flood and to harvester/spammer pairs, but otherwise should be ok.
01:22 mircea_popescu wassat ?
01:22 ben_vulpes no, i put the staleness back in
01:22 ben_vulpes oh no that was davout
01:23 mircea_popescu dude...
01:23 mircea_popescu davout put the staleness back in ?
01:23 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-07#1448250
01:23 a111 Logged on 2016-04-07 22:02 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell davout delete xmlrpc.php from your wordpress install and you will be 95% of the way to securing your blawg
01:23 mircea_popescu imagine this guy on acid, if you will.
01:24 mircea_popescu ah, that's a pretty stupid idea in that it kills pingbacks, which are a rather important contextualization tool.
01:24 mircea_popescu besides, mp wp is already xmlrpc hole-neutered
01:24 mircea_popescu it doesn't let randos use your xmlrpc to spam etc LIKE STOCK WP STILL DOES
01:25 ben_vulpes ah no, staleness checks still failing for some reason.
01:30 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/o-hai-let-me-wanna-be/#comment-113027 < fix in question.
01:37 ben_vulpes aaand it works.
01:38 ben_vulpes great! neat mircea_popescu.
01:38 ben_vulpes now to muntz the theme.
01:42 mats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts7FQaVULRs
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09:56 mircea_popescu phf http://trilema.com/2016/io-la-conoscevo-bene/#comment-118515
10:04 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that thing really ought to link back to the waterbug piece.
10:04 mircea_popescu possibly yeah.
10:04 asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/prophylaxis <<
10:05 asciilifeform ;;later tell ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521104 << looks like you turned mp-wp into conventional rubbish wp?? congrats ?
10:05 a111 Logged on 2016-08-14 05:12 ben_vulpes: phf, shinohai, trinque, asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: i elected to nuke the "stale comments" thing, i'd be much obliged if any of y'all have a patch for that. in exchange i've got a patch on wp-comments.php for the suffix trick, not that it's hard or anything
10:05 gribble The operation succeeded.
10:07 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521093 << can demand whatever he likes. what will get, is another matter entirely.
10:07 a111 Logged on 2016-08-14 05:08 ben_vulpes: he could hose so much just by demanding ballots with signatures.
10:07 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521094 << keep dreamin'.
10:07 a111 Logged on 2016-08-14 05:08 ben_vulpes: and if anyone could exclude diebold and friends from the party it'd be him
10:07 asciilifeform why not also demand to bring back motherfucking literacy test for vote.
10:08 asciilifeform diebold ain't leaving any more than literacy test is coming back.
10:08 asciilifeform may as well ask tumour to 'leave', nicely.
10:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so far, he's been getting.
10:14 asciilifeform hey if the man can turn shit into gold, i'll clap.
10:14 mircea_popescu well, november's close.
10:15 asciilifeform lockheed et al 'also want to live.' either diebold, or fella eventually 'eats bad seafood' and keels over, or, etc. and that'll be that.
10:16 mircea_popescu yes, yes, i get it : life is a contest for life, and you have your favourite horse. this is fine. the important point here however isn't so much "what trump can accomplish" but "mp is as far as the internet can tell trump's campaign strategist. because no one other has better proof."
10:18 asciilifeform my fave horse is the very same 'common man fucked with spiked club of monotonically increasing thickness' as described by mircea_popescu .
10:20 asciilifeform other thing - what exactly are 'election observers' supposed to do ?
10:20 asciilifeform and from where does one get them ? mars ?
10:20 mircea_popescu it's echafaudage. you don't come out with what you want ; you come out with the principle poorly embodied. op protests, you change it.
10:21 mircea_popescu either that or he's just stupid, whatever.
10:21 asciilifeform the only kind i'm familiar with is when orc land 'opposition party' 'calls in observers' so that usg-favoured output can be hardcoded in.
10:21 mircea_popescu in any case, it's not reactive to this low level "i shall now examine cracks" approach.
10:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes. for instance - i could supply observers, working on this principle.
10:22 mircea_popescu it will result in ~6% for hillary. make it sting.
10:23 mircea_popescu in other words - the us became an orcland during obama's tenure. sad but tru.
10:25 asciilifeform phun phakt: the last time i went to a voting booth, i took out driver license to give to the clerk, to be checked off the list (there is a list of townspeople with tickyboxes next to names) and clerk turned around in horror, 'put it away!' -- turns out it was (or at least thought to be) now illegal for clerk to LOOK AT such a thing, in many states incl. md.
10:27 mircea_popescu eh ?
10:28 asciilifeform never heard of the 'voter buses' ?
10:29 asciilifeform where dem party trucks 'undocumented' folk from town to town, to 'vote early, vote often' ?
10:29 mircea_popescu i never heard of this "illegal to see" thing
10:29 asciilifeform well, it is a talmudic wall
10:29 asciilifeform it is not in fact illegal to see, afaik.
10:29 asciilifeform but it is - in md - illegal to ~ask~ for it.
10:29 mircea_popescu ah
10:29 asciilifeform and muppet dun wanna risk being seen 'asking'.
10:30 mircea_popescu mass/nh actually don't require citizenship at all iirc.
10:30 asciilifeform ditto here.
10:30 asciilifeform and so dem party sends bus.
10:30 asciilifeform folks on bus - have names of dead or elderly folk memorized (when this is even needed)
10:31 mircea_popescu "Every male person, being twenty-one years of age, and resident in any particular town in this Commonwealth for the space of one year next preceding, having a freehold estate within the same town, of the annual income of three pounds, or any estate of the value of sixty pounds, shall have a right to vote in the choice of a Representative or Representatives for the said town."
10:31 mircea_popescu sounds pretty reasonable.
10:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu read this off a parchment or wat.
10:31 mircea_popescu aha. mass constitution.
10:31 asciilifeform guessed as much.
10:31 mircea_popescu anyway ; seems a fine principle, and i see no other available.
10:32 mircea_popescu "resident ; show income of one bitcoin ; or holdings of twenty bitcoin ; may vote"
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10:34 asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2016/gangs-of-new-york << see also.
10:34 mircea_popescu a million or two votes should be enough for this entire planet.
10:36 mircea_popescu and in other boobs, http://67.media.tumblr.com/e9aaef655de4fdd1acb633b5da3088e7/tumblr_n37638gj1x1sitnino1_500.gif
10:37 asciilifeform ^ rerun!!
10:37 mircea_popescu o is it ?
10:37 asciilifeform $s http://67.media.tumblr.com/e9aaef655de4fdd1acb633b5da3088e7/tumblr_n37638gj1x1sitnino1_500.gif
10:37 a111 1 results for " http://67.media.tumblr.com/e9aaef655de4fdd1acb633b5da3088e7/tumblr_n37638gj1x1sitnino1_500.gif", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%20http%3A%2F%2F67.media.tumblr.com%2Fe9aaef655de4fdd1acb633b5da3088e7%2Ftumblr_n37638gj1x1sitnino1_500.gif
10:37 asciilifeform hm
10:37 asciilifeform definitely saw this very same item 2 or so wks ago.
10:37 mircea_popescu aww.
10:38 mircea_popescu http://66.media.tumblr.com/d39182b4713e575f0e6d95e20a4f0115/tumblr_n37638gj1x1sitnino5_250.gif << fine, admire her silky hair then.
10:38 mircea_popescu (the astute reader has no doubt long ago figured out that by jiggling the last figure before the _ one can see the rest of any set)
10:46 asciilifeform in other noose, a new ( to me at least ) type of scamola : http://www.sifive.com << metallization mask level (minor tweaks to EXISTING design) thing, which dates to the late 1980s even, fraudulently being pushed now as 'custom silicon for all', lulzy.
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10:46 asciilifeform expect to see it at your friendly local 3dprinterist, makemagazine, kickstartertronic, 'THE BEOBLE can MAEK anything!111' convention.
10:47 asciilifeform $s hardcopy fpga
10:47 a111 6 results for "hardcopy fpga", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=hardcopy%20fpga
10:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform in principle if you make "generic" silicone you can then "fpga" it out of metal mask cuts
10:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: my 1986 symbolics 3620 was made out of this.
10:51 asciilifeform it is ancient tech.
10:51 mircea_popescu aha
10:51 asciilifeform and is in fact what, until recently, was sold as 'miner asic'.
10:51 asciilifeform thing is, you get the clock rate of fpga. and same energy consumption. (~same propagation delays).
10:51 asciilifeform because it is in fact fpga.
10:52 asciilifeform just with hard wires instead of LUTs.
10:52 asciilifeform think 'bunch of misc. logical units, adders, shifters, etc. with plugboard' and you're 99% there.
10:52 mircea_popescu yeah
10:53 mircea_popescu thing is, given the tiny process now used, this is actually not such a terrible approach, for many projects.
10:53 asciilifeform you still can't meet ddr timing spec with it.
10:54 asciilifeform unless vendor supplied a 'ddr module'. ditto pci, unless 'pci module'. etc.
10:54 asciilifeform ever see manual for, e.g., xilinx fpga? it is simply a mass of these turds.
10:54 asciilifeform and designer is asked to pay 'license' for EACH.
10:55 mircea_popescu sure. but xilinx competition is first step.
10:56 asciilifeform there is less now, rather than more, than decade ago
10:56 asciilifeform (intel bought, and is killing, altera)
10:56 mircea_popescu yes. but the process itself is cheap, and the chinese will proceed to pirate. as per above.
10:56 asciilifeform we had this thread.
10:56 asciilifeform chinese have 0 incentive to sell fpga.
10:56 asciilifeform it isn't a mass-market item.
10:57 asciilifeform and if it were, they are happy to clone xilinx and ship pirate copy of the binary turdchain with it.
10:57 asciilifeform this implies ~0 logical reversing.
10:57 asciilifeform of the kind we might find interesting.
10:57 asciilifeform just a sov-style copy of the silicon.
10:58 mircea_popescu look : we keep "having these threads" where you keep sprouting nonsense about how you think the world works. we'll have them until either you give up on thinking you have a clue on these things ; or i get tired of it.
10:58 mircea_popescu there's no way out which consists of "the world alligning to alf fantasy".
10:58 asciilifeform thing is that i actually have a clue here.
10:59 mircea_popescu the bar for having a clue is owning and operating foundry, not being one of the monkeys foundry may at its leisure employ
10:59 mircea_popescu but generallty doesn't.
10:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu operates foundry ?
10:59 mircea_popescu mircea_popescu does not operate foundry.
10:59 asciilifeform or even so much as bought 1 unit of fpga, and designed whatever, helloworld.
10:59 mircea_popescu this being the problem : those aren't valid substitutes.
10:59 asciilifeform but somehow still asciilifeform 'spouts nonsense' and mircea_popescu 'has clue' ?
10:59 asciilifeform i need moar lsd or wat.
11:00 mircea_popescu again with this. one doesn't migrate into the other.
11:00 mircea_popescu whether you have or don't have a clue as to the economic process involved isn't related to my having or not having one. you can't simply run around turning any statement into any random converse, what sort of javascript is this!
11:01 asciilifeform well i have the elementary clue re what device is used for, who buys, where it is a physico-economical win and where - not, etc.
11:01 mircea_popescu o you do ?
11:01 asciilifeform yes.
11:01 asciilifeform re fpga.
11:01 mircea_popescu so who buys 30w diode ?
11:01 asciilifeform it is largely used inside larger laser, as pump.
11:02 asciilifeform presently looking to see exactly ~whose~, the part is new.
11:02 mircea_popescu "who buys" != "what it is used for"
11:02 asciilifeform re fpga, largest buyer (not a mega-seekrit) is usg.
11:03 asciilifeform largely used for, or so all of the available clues suggest - deep-packet inspection iron.
11:03 mircea_popescu which is the problem with your clue - it is an anticlue, fed by delusional notions of design purism with no practical exposure whatsoever. in meta-world "nobody buys" metallization fpga for miner asic. in real world, it makes a billion dollars in sales over 5 years, ie, more than ~any "proper" chip class.
11:03 asciilifeform hey i actually nailed that prediction
11:03 asciilifeform it is in the l0gz.
11:03 mircea_popescu i get it why you think it's beneficial to be narrow minded. get it that this virtually never works to any sort of useful or interesting conclusion.
11:04 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes, but acting out of character.
11:04 asciilifeform lel so when asciilifeform nails an item years in advance, he is 'out of character' aha.
11:04 mircea_popescu look, it's not a value judgement on you. i'm interested in the process.
11:05 asciilifeform anyway metal fpga is great, i'll take ten right now if it's a dime.
11:05 mircea_popescu do you see where the "oh i know how these assholes are cheating their customers" and "oh chinese have no economic incentive" do not communicate in your head ?
11:05 asciilifeform point was not 'it is rubbish', but that you cannot build, e.g., trinary comp, with it.
11:05 mircea_popescu well it's unclear what the fuck it'll be, but it's pretty evident, at least to me, that the chinese ARE trying to erode the whole xilinx tower of ip.
11:05 mircea_popescu so then the correct statement would have been "it's not clear yet if it'll ever be useful", with which i agree, not "it can't happen".
11:06 asciilifeform other point was that it is quite rare to see fpga deployed in mass produced product, because it has inescapably large per-unit cost compared to classical asic. it makes economic sense for small runs (<100,000) and for items which actually need the reconfigurability.
11:06 asciilifeform none of this, i thought, is controversial.
11:06 mircea_popescu yes but it also depends what the product actually is.
11:06 mircea_popescu for instance, if the product is nato-free comms drone, then yes it might well be
11:06 asciilifeform fpga is quite like the semiconductor equiv. of '3d printer'.
11:06 mircea_popescu that's suddenly millions of units, potentially.
11:07 asciilifeform the real 'killer app' of fpga is 'specificity of diddling'
11:07 asciilifeform (in fact it was the example i gave in the original thread concerning it, re a 'final solution' to subj.)
11:07 mircea_popescu hence why i say drones. you recall the thread ? with "air fence"| for olympics ?
11:07 asciilifeform aha.
11:07 mircea_popescu so yeah. there's all sorts of things at play here.
11:08 asciilifeform recall, i ~like~ fpga, and if it were my will, it would be the only logic chip produced, and anyone who 'needs' ddr3 clock can get phucked
11:08 asciilifeform my chinese contention was about ~current~ markets.
11:08 mircea_popescu well, it is possible on the basis of the observable data the chinese are coming to your view.
11:08 mircea_popescu the one thing that never can exist is the current market.
11:09 mircea_popescu (pro tip : when management starts talking about "current market" it's time to sell. they've lost all contact.)
11:09 asciilifeform this ^ even i can see, and i am 'management expert' like i am concert violinist.
11:11 mircea_popescu anyway. the big thing with this faux fpga thing is that it's very cheap. the much more important smaller thing is that it makes it god damned easy to steal usian ip.
11:11 mircea_popescu these forces may well combine into a major trend.
11:12 asciilifeform it was pretty easy earlier.
11:12 asciilifeform other trend is that quite soon no one will want american design, stolen or not.
11:12 mircea_popescu the us is weak ; it has already proved its unwillingness to pursue in the field ; their only response ("we'll ban the faux items at border") is exceptionally inadequate here : you'll get left behind by tech train if oyu do.
11:12 asciilifeform recall the ftdi incident ?
11:13 mircea_popescu the us already proved it's willing to do anything for sv lobby, and so the chinese are drip feeding the "capitalists" and waiting.
11:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform also quite possible.
11:14 asciilifeform ( http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-23#891851 << thread, for whoever missed )
11:14 a111 Logged on 2014-10-23 22:49 asciilifeform: https://marcan.st/transf/ftdi_evil.png
11:14 mircea_popescu (but yes, the fact that the dos did NOT put into obama's files the observation that the "labour" dispute in silicon valley was chinese driven test run is exactly the sort of thing that feeds my spite for the whole of usg as a "state". it's a state like a collection of mahjongg players is a state.)
11:15 asciilifeform hey, if they can also ignore chinese subs having rocket target practice off california beach, in sight of tourists
11:15 asciilifeform why not also this.
11:15 asciilifeform and that.
11:15 mircea_popescu sure, but...
11:17 shinohai ben_vulpes: i didn't have to do anything to get it all to work besides diff and apply phf 's patch and directions
11:17 mircea_popescu o yeah how's that monster project coming along shinohai ?
11:18 shinohai it's a juggernaut for sure
11:19 shinohai I decided to stuff the whole thing in an .img file so you don't have to reinvent the whole server wheel every time
11:19 mircea_popescu wait
11:19 mircea_popescu you're bundling it with lamp and os ?
11:20 shinohai for personal use yeah
11:20 mircea_popescu ok...
11:20 mircea_popescu it's a much larger and more complex task like that ; best get the small discrete tip sorted out first.
~ 20 minutes ~
11:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: to briefly revisit thread, one interesting tidbit you might not know about 'hardcopy fpga' is that it stands on same toolchain as the respective vendor's 'ordinary' fpga (on which one prototypes for the 'hard' variant.)
11:41 mircea_popescu sure.
11:41 asciilifeform the sheer 'lock-in' of the niche, is mind-boggling to the uninitiated
11:41 mircea_popescu it's not expected this iteration will yield "better pci". merely - pci that you don't pay the license for.
11:42 mircea_popescu sure. it'll take a while to dissolve. maybe even... a coupla decades ?
11:42 asciilifeform they already pay 0 license (in most cases, there are idiots in china also)
11:42 mircea_popescu but htey'll sell this. to you. for 20 bux.
11:42 asciilifeform but the cost is - using american design. which is subtly braindamaged in 1,001 ways, not all of them even deliberate.
11:43 asciilifeform not to mention pulling in a multi-GB closed turdball x86 toolchain.
11:43 asciilifeform this is the thing i'd dearly like to see die
11:43 asciilifeform but so far know of no signs of impending death.
11:43 mircea_popescu yeah well, this is chinese restaurant. they don't do al a carte, they just bring you stuff.
11:43 mircea_popescu you ever been in one of these btw ?
11:44 asciilifeform yes.
11:44 mircea_popescu god it pissed me off.
11:44 mircea_popescu "you want food, yes ? hang on we bring!"
11:44 asciilifeform thing is, i know a bit about orcish 'ip theft' business, father spent most of his life doing just it.
11:44 mircea_popescu aite!
11:44 mircea_popescu heh, i guess my father also.
11:45 asciilifeform so mircea_popescu is familiar with the process. and output.
11:45 mircea_popescu i wouldn't go as far as that. but not entirely unfamiliar.
11:45 asciilifeform $s when you care enough to steal the very best
11:45 a111 1 results for "when you care enough to steal the very best", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=when%20you%20care%20enough%20to%20steal%20the%20very%20best
11:45 asciilifeform hm
11:45 asciilifeform https://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/creatures/pages/russians.html
11:46 asciilifeform ^ atrocious and nearly indecipherable 'dictionary translation'
11:46 mircea_popescu the problem is russians are, for all their ridiculous orcishness, still white people.
11:46 mircea_popescu the chinese are stranger still.
11:47 asciilifeform i am familiar with some of the ways in which 'stranger.'
11:47 mircea_popescu moreover, this is exactly their first run in with first world problems. there's no history to go by.
11:47 asciilifeform e.g., considerably less reluctant to sell you product that will actually slowly kill you.
11:47 mircea_popescu hey, krakadil.
11:47 mircea_popescu that's hardly a problem anywhere.
11:47 asciilifeform hey krok does exactly what is printed on the box.
11:47 mircea_popescu ie, kills you slowl.y
11:48 asciilifeform whereas food with melamine mixed in is labeled 'food' not 'die slowly'
11:48 mircea_popescu maybe you misread the labels.
11:48 * asciilifeform pictures scene, nearly falls down
11:48 asciilifeform 'it said right on the box...'!
11:48 mircea_popescu 餐飲 definitely means "die slowly"
11:49 asciilifeform ever meet somebody with hilariously 'wrong' chinese tattoo ?
11:49 mircea_popescu oya.
11:53 mircea_popescu anyway. a large part of the problem with "i think better in symbols" is exactly evident here : sure, you think you do, much like dude in bathtub feels he's going faster. nevertheless YOU CANT FUCKING EXPLAIN WHAT YOU THOUGHT.
11:53 mircea_popescu was it "food" or was it "kills you slowly" ?
11:54 asciilifeform well sorta why they invented language, to explain the symbols with.
11:54 asciilifeform set up, if you like, the huffman table.
11:54 mircea_popescu mno. to kill the symbologists, rather.
11:54 mircea_popescu in any case it is much better to have food, kill you slowly and the quod me nutrit bridge than just repeat 餐飲 until you fall down and then be worshipped as a very wise man - hey, 5k yo wisdom "directly applicable" today.
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12:22 mats i've never been to the chinese restaurant where they just bring you stuff
12:22 mats are you describing dim sum carts?
12:26 * covertress waves hello to mircea_popescu
12:27 covertress here is some news for TMSR, before it hits the press > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WuZNZ2uPB2kFPzzQ-e3vBfJIP2bT8Gu1--6UxWepxCg/edit?usp=sharing
12:27 covertress :)
12:40 mircea_popescu mats no. you sit down, they ask what kind of WINE you want if any ; and then they bring you 30 plates
12:40 mircea_popescu there's a hot plate built in the table to cook your own meat
12:40 mircea_popescu you never saw this ?
12:40 covertress mircea_popescu, ala Mongolian bbq?
12:41 mircea_popescu yeah
12:41 mats no lol
12:41 mats this is in .ar?
12:42 mircea_popescu this is everyfucking where heh. but sure, in the coupla blocks of ba that constitute the "china town", between a kitchy gate and two dragon statues.
12:42 covertress Japanese do this also, with a central-table soup pot everyone shares.
12:42 mircea_popescu that's saner.
12:43 mats weird.
12:43 mircea_popescu granted, more of a yi thing.
12:44 covertress traditional Japanese dinner cooking > https://files.tofugu.com/articles/japan/2015-02-19-nabe-hot-pot/nabe-making-party-at-table.jpg
12:44 mats 'hot pot' is a thing, but i've not seen a chinese place with hot plates unless they're also korean fusion or something
12:45 mats or mongolian
12:45 mircea_popescu you distinguish between these ?
12:47 mats yeah. more flavors in hot pot, in my experience, like 麻辣
12:47 mircea_popescu well, i'm new.
12:47 covertress contemporary Mongolian hot pot > http://www.thetabletopcook.com/images/thetabletopcook-korean-barbecue-at-hee-been.jpg
12:47 mats which is chinese peppercorn
12:48 mircea_popescu isn't that overcrowded ?
12:48 mircea_popescu ~the only thing i liked about it was that the meat was cut very thin and you could hold-cook it to a very fine degree.
12:48 covertress it certainly can be... depends on how hungry everyone is. lol
12:48 mircea_popescu though in general this is the job of the god damned cook, which is why i don't eat just anywhere.
12:49 covertress mircea_popescu, you never eat this way at home? always go out?
12:49 mircea_popescu covertress yeah ok, but say shrimp needs 40 seconds ; veal maybe 70 ? whereas the mushrooms five fucking minutes or w/e.
12:49 mircea_popescu covertress i on occasion cook, but euro dishes. i do eat most everything at home, i even have sushi expert chick nao!
12:49 covertress mircea_popescu yes, there is an art to timing the meal. comes with practice.
12:50 covertress sashimi is my fav
12:51 covertress fash-seared ahi w sesame seeds <3
12:51 covertress *flash
12:53 covertress mircea_popescu, which are your fav euro dishes?
12:53 mircea_popescu ah, not so simple as all that. depends what mood i wake up in et all.
12:53 mircea_popescu i just don't like cooking the barbarian stuff.
12:54 covertress what? no haggis? lol
12:54 covertress don't blame you
12:55 mircea_popescu eh it's not as bad as it sounds.
12:55 mircea_popescu tho i couldn't be arsed to make it anymore than cazu marzu.
12:56 covertress ahhh... fine cheese is another weakness of mine
12:56 covertress the more flavorful, the better
12:57 mircea_popescu heh.
12:57 mircea_popescu you should see these people. i bought two hot peppers, they sold them with nuclear warhead warnings.
12:57 covertress lately, I've been enjoying Irish, grass-fed varieties. Can distinguish regions sometimes.
12:57 mircea_popescu delicious things, not even hot. barely flavoured one pot.
12:58 covertress ahh. <3 hot peppers also.
12:58 covertress I grow my own Japapenos next to Jabaneros, so they cross-polinate and become hotter.
12:59 mircea_popescu that's a thought.
12:59 covertress *jalapenos
12:59 covertress try a trad red bell pepper next to a ghost chili. ;)
13:00 mircea_popescu nah, i'm a very mild hotness sort of guy.
13:01 covertress have you tried Ancho Chili? wonderful flavor yet mild.
13:02 covertress *the secret ingredient in most good Mexican food
13:03 mircea_popescu aha. yeah, with mexican.
13:03 mircea_popescu and in other lulz, "I am here to help you become rich and famous.. If you are not serious in becoming a member please don't even think of adding me or sending me a message because I won't be happy with you.but if you know you are serious and ready to become a member just add me now let's talk and let's get to know each other more better. If you wanna be famous like rihanna, jazzy, Eminem,rick Ross, Lil Wayne, bey once and so
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13:03 mircea_popescu on't add me. Thanks for your corporation.. Your satisfaction is what we want. I will be expecting your reply. Just add and inbox me and I will help you to become a member of the great Illuminati.Thanks once again I am Bella Wilfred and your happiness is what we want."
13:03 mircea_popescu country of africaman, has internet, has not map, has not perl, has not way to make lists, has no countrylist datastructure, has nothing.
13:03 mircea_popescu modern poverty.
13:04 mircea_popescu Bey Once. you know, the singin' an' bootyshaking lord of the lordship of once.
13:04 mircea_popescu in an alliance with bey campreamult.
13:05 asciilifeform and holy shit, i broke a chinese centerpunch.
13:05 mircea_popescu see ? no clue!
13:05 asciilifeform didjaknow this was possible.
13:05 mircea_popescu well... EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE!
13:06 covertress mircea_popescu, do you believe in a multiverse?
13:06 mircea_popescu you mean, in everett's gun sense so dear to alf's heart ?
13:07 asciilifeform covertress: what does this question even mean? believe-in as a place to which you can walk in, via some yet-undiscovered magic door ?
13:08 danielpbarron multiverse is a contradiction in terms. a universe is already one everything. whatever you call a "multi"-verse is really the whole "uni"-verse redefined
13:08 covertress in this sense > http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/af/afec866f59e4c60209e0c3ef8a5ad25be8038bcec717a1d5f7a759f6f857c832.jpg
13:08 covertress belief in the theory that multiple universes exist
13:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform check it out, i get a pictogram response.
13:08 covertress :)
13:09 mircea_popescu covertress traditionally theories are not believed or disbelieved ; that's more of a religious practice.
13:09 covertress I *do specialize at K.I.S.S.
13:09 mircea_popescu covertress also, your image depicts a collapsed eigenstate.
13:09 covertress yes lol
13:10 covertress I'm of the opinion that there is only one universe
13:11 mircea_popescu is where ?
13:11 danielpbarron i don't even care for the term universe; it's usually used as a replacement for God, personified and everything ala "the universe did X"
13:11 covertress at the same time, I think that everyone is within their own universe
13:11 covertress this is why blue to me is green to you
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13:12 danielpbarron pass me the bong when you're done babysitting it, wouldja?
13:12 covertress danielpbarron: the only time I hear "universe" confused with 'god' is from AA members.
13:13 danielpbarron pantheists and other new-agey stuff too
13:14 mircea_popescu well aa folks are kinda stuck with this god-but-its-not-god thing...
13:14 covertress not everyone is ready to be the center of their own universe, this is true
13:15 mircea_popescu anyway, i shall go festejar el dia de "lxs ninxs" con las trabajadoras sexuales in constitucion, "barrio donde por la niche muchos no desean transitar".
13:15 mircea_popescu catch you all later!
13:16 covertress nos vemos más tarde
13:16 * covertress waves goodbye to mircea_popescu and leaves also
13:21 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521460 << this to me seems to be a confusion between metaphysical and epistemological relativism. "what green is to me" is more to do with the latter, and cannot be used to support full-blown idealism (as in berkeley), or "there are multiple universes", or anything else which has specific *metaphysical* commitments.
13:21 a111 Logged on 2016-08-14 17:11 covertress: this is why blue to me is green to you
13:21 Framedragger </interjection>
13:21 danielpbarron unmatched trailing end tag detected
13:22 Framedragger implied tags will bring us satan, true, but eh
13:29 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-13#1520649 && https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4xj6uw/bitcoin_previously_had_all_the_properties_that/d6fwloo && http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-04#1445489 << ...soo, has anyone an idea how hawala-like exchange structures for say bitcoin could be encouraged? i've read and liked http://thestringpuller.com/2016/06/bitcoin-in-wakanda/ which is more of a vision of course..
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13:29 a111 Logged on 2016-08-13 19:28 thestringpuller: more ver-ified lulz: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4xj6uw/bitcoin_previously_had_all_the_properties_that/d6fw4ns
13:29 a111 Logged on 2016-04-04 16:22 phf: given the state of things, i'm not convinced that hawala is the worst we can do
13:35 Framedragger $s hawala
13:35 a111 49 results for "hawala", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=hawala
13:36 Framedragger $s "in the log"
13:36 a111 653 results for "\"in the log\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22in%20the%20log%22
13:42 deedbot http://danielpbarron.com/2016/choose-your-government-wisely/ << Daniel P. Barron - Choose your government wisely.
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14:24 BingoBoingo http://oglaf.com/ellipse/
14:30 BingoBoingo ;;later tell covertress You gotta get other parties WoT'd up for your press releases to make it to media distribution.
14:30 gribble The operation succeeded.
14:44 mats i'd be disappointed if that made its way into qntra
14:47 phf Framedragger: i was saying hawala as an alternative to bitcoin. that was when we were looking closely at the implementation and finding all kinds of insanity. hawala is a system for tracking long term exposure, and you forego collateral because you have "fuck same woman" wot (i suspect there's still collateral involved when exposure is too high). you don't need hawal when you have near instant calls.
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14:48 phf probably what thestringpuller means is that "we" (he's speaking to a bunch of reddit anons, so i assume it's purely rhetorical) don't have a wot based market.
14:49 BingoBoingo mats: Well gotta explain the problem in layers. First is people. Next is substance. Then...
14:50 phf well, there is the wot, though nobody here as far as i know is buying/selling. there was also bitcoin-otc, which from what i hear died. i actually tried buying 10btc from a guy that was in bitcoin-otc wot, but we were l3, and he understandably bulked
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14:51 shinohai mats: not even if it gets my usual ETH treatment?
14:52 phf but if the question is, why can't reddit produce hawala, the answer is so obvious it's kind of a "no shit". you need http://glyf.org/socdarw.jpg for hawala, which reddit doesn't have, can't produce and wouldn't recognize when given.
14:52 BingoBoingo shinohai: It's not there yet.
14:53 shinohai >.>
14:57 asciilifeform phf et al: did i ~and~ the log somehow get netsplit, and miss a thread, or is the hawala thing a continuation of pm or whatever
14:57 asciilifeform (in the latter case - can haz context ?)
14:58 phf asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521475 i was responding to this
14:58 a111 Logged on 2016-08-14 17:29 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-13#1520649 && https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4xj6uw/bitcoin_previously_had_all_the_properties_that/d6fwloo && http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-04#1445489 << ...soo, has anyone an idea how hawala-like exchange structures for say bitcoin could be encouraged? i've read and liked http://thestringpuller.com/2016/06/bitcoin-in-wakanda/ which is more of a vision of course..
14:59 asciilifeform ah ty phf .
15:07 mats shinohai: I don't want to read about ethereum or ethereum-likes unless it is about holders being herded into cattle cars and gassed
15:07 asciilifeform ^
15:07 * shinohai gets the zyklon canisters out of storage
15:10 mats i was tired of reading about ripples by december 2013
15:10 phf main reason i avoided bitcoin news for years, because it was altcoins mixed with a bunch of ~obviously~ idiotic ventures.
15:11 ben_vulpes bitcoin?
15:11 ben_vulpes news?
15:11 asciilifeform phf: same
15:11 ben_vulpes ;;later tell gabriel_laddel i'm not keeping interns at the moment
15:11 gribble The operation succeeded.
15:12 phf it's like if bloomberg terminals were spewing "news" about some guy opening a pizza joint for $5k that he borrowed from his friends, like wtf
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15:12 asciilifeform phf: ever read my ancient piece - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=939 ?
15:12 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: oh pish and tosh. the only thing i threw out while banging on mp-wp was the comment time-sensitivity, and i even got around to fixing that.
15:14 phf asciilifeform: yes, that's the first bitcoin article i read end to end. i read satoshi's paper immediately after
15:16 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i thought ~whole point was the spam filter.
15:16 asciilifeform phf: neato
15:19 phf i like the first comment, "How many years has ThePirateBay been up? They’re not going to shut down the bitcoin network".
15:20 phf i was trying to figure out when i started reading your blog, and found this lulzy post http://www.loper-os.org/?p=18
15:21 * danielpbarron on edge of seat for a +v znort987 ..
15:21 asciilifeform $up znort987
15:21 deedbot znort987 voiced for 30 minutes.
15:22 danielpbarron znort987, can you voice yourself?
15:22 znort987 danielpbarron: I think I've managed to do that in #bitcoin-assets
15:23 znort987 but not sure how to pull it off on #trilema
15:23 danielpbarron type /msg deedbot $up
15:23 znort987 is deedbot the assbot of #trilema
15:23 znort987 ?
15:23 danielpbarron yes
15:23 znort987 I gues that's a yes. will try
15:23 danielpbarron ok, I'll down you till then
15:23 danielpbarron $down znort987
15:24 ben_vulpes what's all this about a bridge loan, znort987 ?
15:25 deedbot http://danielpbarron.com/2016/my-favorite-jerkcity/ << Daniel P. Barron - My favorite Jerkcity
15:26 mats $gettrust znort987 deedbot
15:26 deedbot L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
15:27 danielpbarron wrong direction
15:27 mats $gettrust deedbot znort987
15:27 deedbot L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections.
15:27 mats o
15:27 asciilifeform meanwhile, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/control.jpg
15:27 asciilifeform ^ not quite done
15:28 asciilifeform ben_vulpes probably has one ^ .
15:29 danielpbarron yay! welcome back znort987
15:30 znort987 ben_vulpes: never been on irc before. i'm actually here to explain
15:30 znort987 yahoo email account was hacked. hacker used it to email kako, davout and pete begging for coinz
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15:31 znort987 thing is: I never, ever sent an email to either of these 3 that wasn't a) encrypted b) signed
15:31 znort987 whereas hacker just sent plain old text
15:31 znort987 should have been a hint.
15:32 danielpbarron aha
15:32 znort987 anyways ... spent the day chasing the damage he's wrecking in various accounts that were linked to that email
15:32 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/08/the-your-loss-playbook/ << Qntra - The "Your Loss" Playbook
15:32 phf danielpbarron: jerkcity just came up in a conversation with some oldfags. it doesn't really translate and is part of a now dead culture. there's also http://yellow5.com/pokey/ and some others that i will probably go "oh man i remember thaaat one." if i were to see it. it's back when absurd non sequiturs typed in all caps was a thing, somehow it's part of hacker culture, which i think goes back to zippy the pinhead
15:32 danielpbarron what damage? it got you in here. Should help get more customers if anything
15:32 znort987 including a doxx threat if I didn't pay 5 BTC lol
15:33 asciilifeform znort987: kako, notably, said nothing publicly.
15:34 znort987 asciilifeform: correct. and I sent him a private email (properly gpg'd) this morning. he said he had smelled something funny.
15:34 danielpbarron all news is good news when it's about the most serene republic and its citizens
15:34 mats besides the ol' 'mp is a scammer!1', of course
15:34 asciilifeform mats: i think at this point he has an emacs macro that craps this string out, or sumthing
15:34 mats never mind the bit where he tried to take coins that didn't belong to him, used to seed bets...
15:35 mats kako is blameless in the divorce, in his mind
15:36 mats the o-noes-i'm-a-victim bit is played out.
15:36 znort987 so anyhoo ... reason I'm here is simply to make a statement: bitbet is whole, not a cent of customer funds is ever accessible from the internet, and bitfinex was *never* used (nor were any other online wallets / exchanges / etc ...)
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15:36 mats good to hear
15:36 phf danielpbarron: it's essentially bash rendered with microsoft comic chat
15:36 asciilifeform znort987: iirc original rumblings came from a recent payout delay, co-inciding with bitfinex incident
15:37 znort987 second statement, likely not needed for this crowd bu has to be in the log: znort987@yahoo.com is a compromised email, please ignore anything coming from there unless gpg-signed
15:37 asciilifeform phf: 'ложечки—то нашлись, но осадок остался!' (tm) (r)
15:38 znort987 asciilifeform: correct. a bet was paid 72 hours late. RL got in the way. Unfortunate, but nothing to do with solvency.
15:39 phf asciilifeform: was that for me?
15:39 asciilifeform phf: pertinent to thread, possibly
15:39 asciilifeform znort987: ty for putting this on record.
15:40 znort987 wrt bitbet solvency in general ... not an easy problem. would love to be able to provide a crypto-hard "proof-of-solvency", but ...
15:40 mats if coins dun move, that's proof of solvency imo
15:41 asciilifeform mats: mircea_popescu will drill you a new arse for this contention (though i still do not grasp why)
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15:41 znort987 mats: yeah, agreed, but easier said than done. assembling payout tx's by hand from deposit addies exclusive to bet is a PITA
15:42 znort987 mats: the second, and slightly more perverse issue is the whole coinbase debacle.
15:42 BingoBoingo https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/4xpoy2/the_your_loss_playbook_sorry/
15:42 asciilifeform znort987: which debacle ?
15:43 znort987 coinbase threatens their customers with account closure if they are caught either sending to or receiving from bbet
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15:43 phf oh wow
15:43 znort987 and given that all addies are published on the site, bbet is making their life easy
15:43 znort987 coinbase's life I mean
15:44 asciilifeform znort987: coinbase, as you probably already know, is owned and operated by enemies of bitcoin and the free world at large, from its first day.
15:44 danielpbarron znort987, no proof is required of you. see: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-12#1520179
15:44 a111 Logged on 2016-08-12 23:14 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-12#1519996 << this is altogether unclear. this "the people have the right to trace the coins" is a) still nonsense, bitcoin is not traceable ; b) still nonsense, forget the "dao" bullshit ; c) still nonsense, you trust the operator or you don't trust the operator.
15:44 znort987 asciilifeform: yeah, but that's not the issue
15:45 znort987 danielpbarron: understood but ... crypto-hard proof of solvency would be a very nice feature I think.
15:45 danielpbarron znort987, that coinbase bans you should be seen as a feature rather than a bug
15:45 danielpbarron they are helping you select for decent customers
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15:45 asciilifeform znort987: what, then, is the issue? if you ran a winery that took btc, and found out that saudi arabia chops off noses of folks who were found with tx buying your wine, you would do what?
15:45 mats my understanding of his point is that proof-of-solvency is a monkey patch that attempts to paper over defects in human relations with technical solutions
15:46 mats and i see that
15:46 znort987 asciilifeform, danielpbarron: coinbase is not the issue. the core issue is that by making addies public, it affects coinz fungibility.
15:46 danielpbarron mats, there's also the point that bitcoin taint is only a thing when it can be used against the USG and other enemies of the republic
15:46 asciilifeform mats: as i understand, his contention was that the heuristic ~does not work~, rather than 'should not be relied on'
15:46 danielpbarron znort987, see ^
15:47 znort987 if we keep publishing addies on bbet, we create exposure for our users.
15:47 asciilifeform znort987: and if you stop, you turn into clone of 'fairlay'
15:47 znort987 on the other hand, if we hide them behind - say - a user account, or hash, or encrypt them with a user public key, we remove transparency
15:47 asciilifeform not my place to say 'you should' or 'should not.'
15:47 asciilifeform but - fact.
15:47 znort987 asciilifeform: exactly
15:47 mats does new bbet have new promise that coins will originate from address 1X...Y?
15:48 asciilifeform znort987: i'd say that getting out of coinbase, and similar insanity, or at the very least 'washing' their coinz, if they insist on using usgbase, is the responsibility of the affected users, not of bbet.
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15:48 znort987 mats: nope. wallet used to send payouts has all kinds of addies in it. it has a lot of 1X* because when I rebuild the cold wallet I pumped 20K addies in it at once, and they all came out that way.
15:49 znort987 asciilifeform: yeah but I'm a sucker for making user's life easier/better, my bias I guess.
15:50 * danielpbarron imagines the lulz one might farm from laundering bitcoin first through ethereum or a similar scam, as a step between coinbase and bitbet, to see if someone else gets stuck with the 'blacklisted' coinz
15:51 znort987 danielpbarron: working around coinbase policies is not hard, but 90% of users aren't savvy enough to pull it off
15:51 znort987 anyhoo ... gotta jet. will be back now that I've actually managed to get on irc properly. ta.
15:52 danielpbarron cool
15:55 danielpbarron $v 2CC0A436A5EF94E5B31CC5A52FAC36AAD54EEE99C710B9BE2EC02C85529C030D
15:55 deedbot danielpbarron rated znort987 1 << bought BitBet after it was delisted and put into receivership
16:00 mats danielpbarron: i don't follow this bit about taint only being a thing when used against usg
16:00 mats something prevents them from mixing?
16:01 mats exchanging for services rendered?
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16:01 danielpbarron nothing prevents
16:06 danielpbarron see: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-23#1064420 and continued in the next line http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-23#1064421
16:06 a111 Logged on 2015-03-23 00:23 mircea_popescu: but yes, the entire "taint" bullshit does not work. the correct avenue is exactly the reverse : require to be paid only in "proper" bitcoin, that is to say, bitcoin traceable to X or Y or Z purchase, from agent of the crown, which fictitiously has title.
16:06 a111 Logged on 2015-03-23 00:24 mircea_popescu: in this view of Bitcoin, only Draper has any, or whoever bought it from USG.
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16:22 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
16:22 gribble Current Blocks: 425222 | Current Difficulty: 2.0189321085305896E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 425375 | Next Difficulty In: 153 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 22 hours, 23 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
16:30 mircea_popescu Framedragger [,,,] .soo, has anyone an idea how hawala-like exchange structures for say bitcoin could be encouraged? << yes. http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
16:31 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521487 << this is like "bycicle as alternative to combustion". really ?
16:31 a111 Logged on 2016-08-14 18:47 phf: Framedragger: i was saying hawala as an alternative to bitcoin. that was when we were looking closely at the implementation and finding all kinds of insanity. hawala is a system for tracking long term exposure, and you forego collateral because you have "fuck same woman" wot (i suspect there's still collateral involved when exposure is too high). you don't need hawal when you have near instant calls.
16:32 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521490 << this just means you aren't, really. if you were you;d know.
16:32 a111 Logged on 2016-08-14 18:50 phf: well, there is the wot, though nobody here as far as i know is buying/selling. there was also bitcoin-otc, which from what i hear died. i actually tried buying 10btc from a guy that was in bitcoin-otc wot, but we were l3, and he understandably bulked
16:32 mircea_popescu balked*
16:32 phf sick gains
16:33 BingoBoingo Hail Brodin!
16:35 phf right, exactly, the sentiment was "these cars consistently kill the driver and a dozen of people on the roade, bicycles sound not half bad now"
16:35 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521510 << nowadays they ... just about do.
16:35 a111 Logged on 2016-08-14 19:12 phf: it's like if bloomberg terminals were spewing "news" about some guy opening a pizza joint for $5k that he borrowed from his friends, like wtf
16:36 mircea_popescu in other news i had drinks with the dominicans running the official bar of the hos do kids' day event ; will put pics up as soon as im done with this log
16:39 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521544 << how did that happen ?
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16:39 a111 Logged on 2016-08-14 19:30 znort987: yahoo email account was hacked. hacker used it to email kako, davout and pete begging for coinz
16:39 mircea_popescu oh i guess he's gone now is he ?
16:43 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521579 <<< ahahaha lol!
16:43 a111 Logged on 2016-08-14 19:43 znort987: coinbase threatens their customers with account closure if they are caught either sending to or receiving from bbet
16:44 mircea_popescu check out who suddenly grew a pair of balls! the perambulating dickhead "entrepreneur"
16:52 mircea_popescu really, time usg got a brian armstrong v2.0, this one's stale.
16:53 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521589 << it's ridiculous anyway, you're not supposed to use usg.scam as a fucking wallet in any case. withdraw funds to own wallet first, problem solved.
16:53 a111 Logged on 2016-08-14 19:45 danielpbarron: they are helping you select for decent customers
16:53 mircea_popescu "oh but i don't want to run a node" "fu"
16:55 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521604 << alf has it.
16:55 a111 Logged on 2016-08-14 19:48 asciilifeform: znort987: i'd say that getting out of coinbase, and similar insanity, or at the very least 'washing' their coinz, if they insist on using usgbase, is the responsibility of the affected users, not of bbet.
16:56 mircea_popescu the notion of catering to consumer is rather orthogonal to the notion of being in bitcoin. this breach must be addressed early and cleanly, lest management of any project spends all its time hopping up and down aimlessly.
16:57 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521615 << you familiar with the original source of the phrase "vae victis" ?
16:57 a111 Logged on 2016-08-14 20:01 mats: exchanging for services rendered?
16:57 mircea_popescu you can put literally anything in the balance. "they killed my auntie". fuck them.
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17:38 asciilifeform meanwhile mircea_popescu , i have a http://www.loper-os.org/pub/saw.jpg to match your http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/periplus-2.jpg .
17:39 mircea_popescu dude what the fuck.
17:40 asciilifeform china.
17:40 asciilifeform is what.
17:40 mircea_popescu all this wasted material. we'll never get it back.
17:40 asciilifeform bonus fact is that it crumbled ~while sitting on a shelf~
17:40 asciilifeform not in use.
17:42 asciilifeform and yes, 'let's make this part that takes 100kg of tension out of plastic' is a specifically chinese practice.
17:43 asciilifeform 'let's also sputter-metallize it to look like at least pot metal' is also chinese.
17:43 asciilifeform i bet actual, e.g., aluminum, would have cost ~less~
17:43 asciilifeform but it wouldn't result in chumper buying saw after saw...
17:43 asciilifeform so no go.
17:47 mircea_popescu duralumin actually is perfect for that application. and yes, cheapest than just about anything, incl the plastic.
17:48 asciilifeform ergo вредительство.
17:50 asciilifeform poor sad ru orcs never knew how to correctly wreck 'rotten capitalist' west.
17:51 asciilifeform chinese - know.
17:51 asciilifeform one motherfucking broken hand tool at a time.
17:51 asciilifeform one melamine biscuit at a time.
17:52 asciilifeform and GO an just TRY selling duralumin saw.
17:52 asciilifeform bankrupt in a week.
17:55 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: bonus fact, i finished $job with angle grinder, also chinese, which overheated and began to smoke.
17:55 mircea_popescu heh
18:04 znort987 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521634 << unfortunate combo of yahoo security model flaw (they claimed they "obsoleted" security questions when in fact the "obsoleted" part means they can't be changed but can still be used for account recovery) and my being careless/lazy (security question/answers were weak and I never bothered to fix while I could).
18:04 a111 Logged on 2016-08-14 20:39 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521544 << how did that happen ?
18:05 mircea_popescu nuts.
18:06 mircea_popescu pro tip : set up your own mailserver if you're going to use email as a security token.
18:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: great till your dns is jacked.
18:07 asciilifeform (or not even.)
18:07 mircea_popescu hey, there's good reasons not to use email as "security"
18:07 znort987 mircea_popescu: that's how info@bitbet.us is setup. and asciilifeform is right: email is lame for auth.
18:07 mircea_popescu znort987 anyway, so no bitfinex losses, goot for you.
18:08 znort987 like I said earlier, the fact I had never sent email that wasn't encrypted nor signed during the bitbet auction should have been a dead giveaway that it wasn't me talking.
18:08 mircea_popescu ftr, you understand how deeds work ? that'd be the cannonical application for stuff like http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521562
18:08 a111 Logged on 2016-08-14 19:36 znort987: so anyhoo ... reason I'm here is simply to make a statement: bitbet is whole, not a cent of customer funds is ever accessible from the internet, and bitfinex was *never* used (nor were any other online wallets / exchanges / etc ...)
18:09 znort987 mircea_popescu: cant say that I do. gotta go read up on it I guess. pointerz ?
18:09 mircea_popescu http://deedbot.org/ < should be pretty self-explanatory.
18:09 mircea_popescu you call it with $deed url
18:11 znort987 reading ...
18:16 znort987 so IIUC this is a unalterable log of "things stated by GPG key owners" that are somehow shoehorned into the blockchain ? How does the shoehorning actually work ? Do it cost coinz ?
18:17 mircea_popescu it costs very little. it actually works, yes.
18:17 mircea_popescu see the faq, it includes sample code even
18:19 thestringpuller Framedragger: in regards to http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521475 << I was trying to make a point in regards to Ver's idealism. Currently if 1993 AOL "mass adoption" occurs, the underbanked will inevitably be left out due to lacking infrastructure of the sovereign nature. Ver despite calling himself an anarchist is still willing to suck the USG dick, which helps no one. The fact he responded with "You found a new business opportun
18:19 a111 Logged on 2016-08-14 17:29 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-13#1520649 && https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4xj6uw/bitcoin_previously_had_all_the_properties_that/d6fwloo && http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-04#1445489 << ...soo, has anyone an idea how hawala-like exchange structures for say bitcoin could be encouraged? i've read and liked http://thestringpuller.com/2016/06/bitcoin-in-wakanda/ which is more of a vision of course..
18:19 znort987 lo and behold, the third line on the page actually says "Frequently Asked Questions" lol
18:22 mircea_popescu znort987 sorry, republic is poor can't currently afford rounded corners.
18:25 znort987 mircea_popescu: was just pointing out that I ought to actually look at what I'm looking at. Re bitfinex: neve understood why people would want ever leave their coinz in other people's pockets. pretty much negates everything bitcoin is about.
18:26 mircea_popescu for interest.
18:27 mircea_popescu and ftr people routinely leave bitcoin in other people's pockets. just, in other PEOPLE's pockets. not every walker is people now.
18:33 thestringpuller turns out the FED physically delivers cash without KYC everyday. who'd of thought?
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19:01 mod6 So in test-land news; I've created a working totally off-line build for trb.
19:02 mod6 essentially, i've taken all the buildroot deps (typically collected from the wan), along with the trb deeds, placed them in a local dir with the build script (modified to suit this process) and launched.
19:03 mod6 with some additional work (encoding & signing the buildroot deps) and a simple guide, this could be a thing shortly.
19:03 mod6 speaking of which
19:03 mod6 ;;later tell danielpbarron You wanna help the Foundation test the latest V99994 incantation?
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19:03 gribble The operation succeeded.
19:06 mod6 ;;later tell pete_dushenski You wanna help the Foundation test the latest V99994 incantation?
19:06 gribble The operation succeeded.
19:16 mircea_popescu nice work mod6
19:18 shinohai o7 mod6 just got pm too
19:18 mod6 thanks :]
19:19 mod6 this is mainly a learning device anyway. as now I can take what i've learned here and apply it to the makefiles.
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19:39 thestringpuller mod6: you got a min?
19:51 asciilifeform ;;later tell trinque deedbot rss is broken ??
19:51 gribble The operation succeeded.
19:52 asciilifeform ^ e.g., mircea_popescu last 2 pieces did not show.
20:02 mircea_popescu spot test : what's patibulaire mean to teh lordship ?
20:02 mircea_popescu "ghostly" or "fit to be hanged" ?
20:04 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'jailbird' ?
20:04 mircea_popescu hm.
20:04 asciilifeform or what do you call it.
20:04 mircea_popescu meanwhile in other dongs, http://66.media.tumblr.com/e8288199e7e976609832a18973b02d92/tumblr_n173tsKLcH1t55va3o5_400.gif
20:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: didja ever explain the 'Ni Una Menos' thing ?
20:05 asciilifeform what the hell exactly ~is~ it
20:05 mircea_popescu derpy govt movement purporting to priviledge murders involving females ("femicidio") over murders in general.
20:06 asciilifeform generic derpatron a la 'occupy' ?
20:06 asciilifeform hm.
20:06 deedbot http://trilema.com/2016/lxs-ninxs/ << Trilema - Lxs ninxs
20:06 asciilifeform hah there it is.
20:06 mircea_popescu out of ~50 or so dead hookers in the past 20 years, the police "solved" 3 cases.
20:06 trinque asciilifeform: was just looking at it
20:06 trinque seems like it's just running quite slow
20:06 mircea_popescu this is about on par with their performance generally.
20:07 asciilifeform trinque: what've you got on that box ?
20:07 asciilifeform (aside from deedbot)
20:13 asciilifeform in unrelated nonnews, looking at what is in bbet today, folks who a) willing to use it b) follow mircea_popescu's logic re clitler - stand to make some coin, possibly: https://bitbet.us/bet/1256/donald-trump-will-win-the-2016-united-states
20:14 asciilifeform at this moment, standing at 49.37 BTC ('no'); 33.30 BTC ('yes').
20:16 mircea_popescu lol @ comments.
20:16 trinque asciilifeform: nothing heavy. I will probably give in and write my own RSS thing this week.
20:16 trinque appears to be the only way to have working items
20:24 asciilifeform 'Ya I wont be betting on this site until they pay the winners for the original trump nominee bet, very shady behaivor.' << holy mother of fuck.
20:27 * asciilifeform was recently reading vintage trilema, and happened upon http://trilema.com/2014/the-basics-of-banking-a-discussion - which is quite pertinent to the recent inflation thread,
20:27 asciilifeform 'Once the organised thieves started their attack on prosperity, inflation was redefined to "mean" something meaningless, to wit "a disparity between the increase in means of payment and the increase in available goods and services". This is poppycock, primarily because if on a wharf somewhere there's ten yachts which each cost one million, then you and your nine friends are THE ten people with yachts. If tomorrow the wharf is chock-f
20:27 asciilifeform ull, sporting one hundred yachts, the fact that the monetary inflation is matched by corresponding inflation of yacht volumes doesn't help you any : you're now stuck with ninety more fuckwits on your wharf, and yachting shall never be the same. This is definitely inflation.'
20:28 mircea_popescu myeah
20:28 asciilifeform imho very palpable dimension, that is usually not mentioned.
20:29 mircea_popescu finance discussion, like most discussion as well as practice in "civilised society" suffers from a pruned-middle problem.
20:29 mircea_popescu idiotic nonproblems and extremely advanced problems are discussed ; but there's no discussion of anything to bridge that gap.
20:30 asciilifeform well no mega-seekrit as to why - middle is where the actionable meat lives, and you wouldn't want ~that~ openly discussed...
20:30 mircea_popescu the pruned-middle being a reference to buffett and that fiscal discussion, "in which you become grain"
20:30 asciilifeform aha.
20:31 mircea_popescu it'd seem, to my naive intuition, that the interest alone couldn't explain this weird.
20:32 asciilifeform thinking about it again, does it actually make sense to roll resource depletion (of empty space around yacht, of molybdenum, etc) into 'inflation' metric ?
20:34 mircea_popescu what now ?
20:34 asciilifeform well hm, i'd say it does, but the deception is that there are now '100 yachts' for same value of 'yacht' as when there were 10
20:34 mircea_popescu i'm not following.
20:35 asciilifeform nm, it makes sense.
20:35 asciilifeform no reason to follow this, it ends where it started.
20:35 mircea_popescu k
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21:54 asciilifeform http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/lxs-ninxs-17.jpg << mircea_popescu - pigeon, yes, but window made from 'scotch tape' is now unremarkable ? it is almost like we are in 18th c again, but in place of fish bladder, this.
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22:16 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Best to ignore "store brands" unless you are getting consumables. 2.5 gallons of 41% glyphosate concentrate, HDX is fine. Tool, probably not fine.
22:17 BingoBoingo Store brands are where china's finest corners get cut.
22:30 covertress ever wanted to hear my voice? > https://twitter.com/covertress/status/764980607390736384
22:31 covertress sorry to spam n dash... but, I'm pooped... cu tomorrow ;) nn - Steph
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23:20 thestringpuller mod6: hitman has taught me that a lot of accidents in the world may not have been accidents
23:34 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2016/08/14/wot-loans-haxxing-emails-and-fishy-smells/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - WoT loans, haxxing emails, and fishy smells.
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